Trump tweeted that "millions voted illegally". Then why is Trump against the recount?

He's against the recount because (a) it's a waste of time (no state-wide recount has ever shifted as many votes as would be needed for Clinton to win either WI or PA) and (b) from his point of view nothing good can come from it, as it would likely widen Clinton's lead in the popular vote. His tweets about "millions voted illegally" are are a diversion to keep his base motivated - there's nothing there but he likes to create smoke to deflect the media from focusing on the negative stories about him that would otherwise dominate the news cycle, such as the $25M settlement against Trump U, and the multitudinous conflicts of interest that will dog his administration. Plus I suspect he has a mental weakness in being unable to accept reality if it means he lost at something, even if it doesn't really matter, so he makes up an excuse.

A "mental weakness" is putting it mildly. He's got about a dozen textbook cases of various psychological maladies. I fear for the country governed by this buffoon and his equally buffoon-ish cohorts. One is worse than the other

Thank you for the reply.

Look at how many states do NOT require someone prove they are who they claim when they vote, and that their legal status is verified. There are states that give illegals a drivers license with no proof of anything to get it. These tend to be states that not surprisingly Democrat.

Wikileaks has proven it happens, it has proven the DNC leadership and the Hillary Campaign have discussed ways of doing it... and Wikileaks has proven it took place in a large scale during the Democrat primary.

THe last two election cycles widespread vote fraud has been proven, ACORN was caught red handed, and there were many precincts that not so surprisingly had more votes cast than existed eligible adults. Meaning voter turnout exceeded 100%, A physical impossibility without vote fraud.

There were also previous massive vote fraud during the Illinois Gov election and the Chicago mayoral election when democrat party officials were showing up with "Forgotten" "uncounted Ballots" in the trunks of their own cars... all of which should have legally been thrown out due to mishandling.

I find it laughable when a Canadian who has the Buffoon Justin Trudeau as their own Prime minister ( who they apparently think is a great guy) has the balls to Call Trump a Buffoon. Its clear how liberals will accept any amount of Criminal activity as well as outright stupidity as long as its someone willing to further their propaganda and agenda. Hillary would already be in jail without Democrat operatives willing to fall on the sword and riun their own credibility to shield her from paying for her criminal activity.

This is also why the left has already or soon will be losing elections all over the world. THe thinking person has gotten sick of their lies and their agenda that punishes the hard working person and rewards the lazy.

I find it laughable that a buffon, a caricature of a candidate and a pathological liar was elected president. Yes Trump is a buffoon. He has gotten away with so much because the democrats dropped the ball on several levels. I've said it before, Trump did not win this election, the democrats lost it. Trump managed to appeal to a specific group of people by pandering to their fears. And to another group who disliked Clinton with a pathological hatred. Those two groups carried him.

There has NEVER been any evidence of widespread election fraud. That is just a smokescreen that Trump has used both before the election and now. Let him produce one valid shred of evidence.

The Dems only partly lost it.
Trump won because he kept his finger on the pulse of twitter and Facebook. He mirrored the tweeters. He won by a tweet.
Clinton's use of social media was dismal, off, embarrassing.
As one guy said after he got a tweet from 'her' saying "I need you tonight more than ever," (a request for money), he joked that he had never gone so swiftly into the friend zone.
Her 596 page book was mailed to all Republican contenders early on, and the jokes went out from GOP staff, the usual door stop and table prop jokes.
It was just .... missing on today's level for anyone under 45.

Yes, you can say that's just part of the Dems dropping it on many levels. But buffoon or not, he won by a tweet.

Everything you said shows that the dems lost the election much more than Trump won it.

Because illegal votes would still be counted, if there was a recount.
There is no proper ID system in place to control who votes.

Dead people voting has been very popular.

When I went to vote, I told them my name, did not show any ID what so ever. There is no record of legal or illegal votes.

But yes, it is well known, in many states that they allow illegals to vote.
Not to mention the 1000's given free food (meals) and driven to the voting polls asked to vote for who was providing the food (done in Atlanta all the time)

Or as in our voting, there is nothing on the computer to show you, how your votes were recorded, your paper ballot just goes into a machine and says accepted.

It's going to be a long four years. Trump will make Dubya look like a genius. Let's hope the Democrats will learn from their mistakes and nominate a good candidate in 2020. It's pretty sad that half of Americans are morons, Idiocracy was supposed to be science-fiction but now it's a documentary.

Hello A:

His tweet is precursor to system wide voter suppression, the likes of which we haven't seen since Jim Crow..

excon

Ayala gets suspended sentence for election fraud - Connecticut Post (http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Ayala-gets-suspended-sentence-for-election-fraud-6529496.php)

A case of election fraud near me in CT. Her mother was doing it too but got off. Actually the daughter just got a slap on the wrist. Both were seen laughing together outside the courtroom.
Now I'm not saying this is remotely rampant.
Just disgusting. For a long time, the AG said he couldn't touch her. Wouldn't even say why.
WTF?
DISGUSTING

It's going to be a long four years. Trump will make Dubya look like a genius. Let's hope the Democrats will learn from their mistakes and nominate a good candidate in 2020. It's pretty sad that half of Americans are morons, Idiocracy was supposed to be science-fiction but now it's a documentary.

Look at everyone who voted for Hillary.. and ignored her numerous crimes over the years, and who most recently ignored her part in the fraud orchestrated by the DNC to steal the primary from Bernie Saunders... who actually won it. All Proven by emails from the guilty parties themselves. As Lenin and Stalin once called them "Useful Idiots" who will do whatever they are told to do blindly in the interest of "the Party" though who actually coined that phrase remains a matter of dispute.

The completely biased, slanderous and libelous Pro-Hildebeast media proved they are part of it...and completely put off anyone who could think for themselves...and destroyed whatever little respect they might have had previously. Because anyone such a biased group wants so bad they will create fake news and ignore the real facts...is NOT who the country wants or needs as proven bu Obama previously.

There should be a requirement NATIONALLY for all voter registrations to be PROVEN to be eligible to vote and in fact a legal US citizen as well, or ALL votes cast in that state should be nullified in all national elections. The individual state can do what they want...they just won't be allowed to vote in ANY national election if they don't take vote fraud seriously.

There should be a requirement NATIONALLY for all voter registrations to be PROVEN to be eligible to vote
So why isn't there voter ID?

So why isn't there voter ID?

Because the Democrats WANT and have openly said so... for Illegals and other ineligible people to vote. Illegals, certain felons, Dead people and those incapability of voting for themselves, and people registered to vote under more than on name or address, all of which are well documented to be used to pad Democrat votes in elections.

The so called poor have ID to get handouts from the government... they have ways to get out to buy stuff or collect more handouts... they can get out to vote too. WITH a proper ID.

Until 100% id requirements are met... as they do already in nearly every country on earth... then the system will be gamed by those who will lie cheat and break laws to sway elections in their favor. Wikileaks has proven the DNC is not above doing it and actively participate in vote fraud.

Geez Smoothy your boy King Donald is the scoundrel in office along with the corrupt repubs in the house and senate, yet not a peep from you about any of that!

Get over it already!

Because the Democrats WANT and have openly said so... for Illegals and other ineligible people to vote. Illegals, certain felons, Dead people and those incapability of voting for themselves, and people registered to vote under more than on name or address, all of which are well documented to be used to pad Democrat votes in elections.

The so called poor have ID to get handouts from the government... they have ways to get out to buy stuff or collect more handouts... they can get out to vote too. WITH a proper ID.

Until 100% id requirements are met... as they do already in nearly every country on earth... then the system will be gamed by those who will lie cheat and break laws to sway elections in their favor. Wikileaks has proven the DNC is not above doing it and actively participate in vote fraud.
That doesn't answer my question. Why isn't there voter ID? A picture ID would be good enough? In Libraryland, for a new patron to get a library card, we ask for a picture ID and a utility bill or lease or mail addressed to the patron.

Look at everyone who voted for Hillary This thread is mostly about Trump. Why do you keep bringing Hillary into it? But since you did I can say the same thing. Look at all those who voted for Trump and ignored the multitudes of lies he kept spewing forth during the campaign. Ignored the violence, bigotry and hatred his campaign promoted. Ignored the fact that he barely explained any plans that he was going to implement and those that he did talk about were proven failures during previous administrations.

And what about the evidence that the Russians were interfering with the election and were pro Trump. Because anything such a biased groups wants so bad they will create fake news and ignore the real facts.

This what has bugged me most about many Trump supporters. They spout all this negativity about Clinton and totally ignore the even greater negatives about Trump. And I will remind you that Hillary has never been indicted for anything. So your talk about "numerous crimes" has never been proven.

And I will add there has never been any evidence of widespread voter fraud, especially not affecting a national election. Sure there are pockets of problems here and there. But nothing on the scale that Trump has lied about.

The REAL reason the democrats have been against a voter ID law is because it disenfranchises the poor, the uneducated, the indigent. Not everyone has, can get or wants a government ID. I'm not against voter IDs. But to require me means the government must require AND provide FREE OF CHARGE such IDs for all citizens. So the Republicans want voter ID so they can disenfranchise people they perceive as a democratic strength, but they are unwilling to pay the cost.

I have no problem with a photo ID requirement for voting, it should be common sense and it doesn't have to disenfranchise the poor. Prices vary by state and province but where I live, a gov't photo ID only costs $48 and it's good for four years. If the poor can afford beer and cigarettes, they can afford to get a photo ID. Voter fraud is relatively rare but it does happen. When I was in college, I heard kids bragging about how they voted in both the district where their school was and again in the district where their parents lived.

ScottGem, I voted for Clinton. In some strange way, I guess, I am more critical of her on the surface because I am so disappointed in her, in the party, in the committee. I even had a sinking feeling on my way to the polls late in the day. It's not because I think Trump is hunky dory for being so chummy with the populace on twitter and Facebook.

Hello again,

Couple things..

Of course Voter ID disenfranchises voters.. That's WHY right wingers do it. Ever hear of FEDERAL Voter ID laws? Well, you're GONNA.

The scariest thing about Trumps tweet, is that he GOT that stuff from infowars.com.. He WON'T take (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-turning-away-intelligence-briefers-since-election-win/2016/11/23/5cc643c4-b1ae-11e6-be1c-8cec35b1ad25_story.html)an intelligence briefing from the intelligence professionals, but he'll take one (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-false-claim-millions-voted-illegally-infowars-conspiracy-theory) from conspiracy nut, Alex Jones.

excon

Geez Smoothy your boy King Donald is the scoundrel in office along with the corrupt repubs in the house and senate, yet not a peep from you about any of that!

Get over it already!tal, long serving Democrats have said they want Illegals to have a right to vote. Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi only two of them. And they are in states that do not ask for any id when registering or voting. Surprise, surprise. Illegals, non-citizens and others who have lost their right to vote are the only ones trying to be prevented from voting. The ONLY people who oppose a voter ID requirement are those who want people whop have ZERO right to vote, to cheat and commit vote fraud. You can't do it in Mexico... or any other country in the world... except maybe Australia.

You either want fair elections or you want wholesale vote fraud... there is no middle ground.

If ONE person votes illegally that one person too many.

That doesn't answer my question. Why isn't there voter ID? A picture ID would be good enough? In Libraryland, for a new patron to get a library card, we ask for a picture ID and a utility bill or lease or mail addressed to the patron.

There isn't want because certain historically Democrat areas feel above the law and encourage breaking it. Wikileaks proved what many of us have been saying for years... Democrats are committing massive vote fraud by a number of tactics.

And for those claiming suppression... you have to have an ID to enter ANY government office or courthouse NOW. That means you aren't going to the welfare office to apply for benefits without having a legal ID.

Drivers license is no longer good for that because places like Maryland and California to name two will give a license to anyone with no proof of residency OR Citizenship required.

And I got this FROM a Mexican who works for my brother... How to you tell if a Mexican is Illegal (in my Area)... if they have a Virginia License you know he's legal..(its VERY difficult to get a replacement if you do lose your wallet or purse). all the illegals in this area get their in Maryland who want no proof. And again... this is from a Mexican working in the Construction Business.

There isn't want because certain historically Democrat areas feel above the law and encourage breaking it.
So fear of Democrats says there can be no such law? Like, I'm not going to clean house because it will just get messy again.

Drivers license is no longer good for that because places like Maryland and California to name two will give a license to anyone with no proof of residency OR Citizenship required.
I just checked their DMV websites. Proof of residency and citizenship are required in order to get a driver's license or state ID.

Trump tweeted that "millions voted illegally". Then why is Trump against the recount?

The Democrats loved the electoral college when there was a solid blue wall of states they would automatically win .Why are they so adamantly opposed to it now ?

The Dems insisted there was no such a thing as voter fraud. Why do they now insist that there was voter fraud in this election ?

Why isn't there voter ID? As best as can figure ,the Dems oppose it because they think it is form of voter suppression . The way I see it ;the only vote it suppresses is the illegal vote.

Ever hear of FEDERAL Voter ID laws? Well, you're GONNA

Doubt it would survive judicial review . I don't think us conservatives would approve of it since the country is a Federal Republic ,and the constitution makes it clear that states run and generally regulate elections. States still get to determine eligibility to vote, as well as the time, place, and manner for running elections,the technology used, whether absentee or early voting is permitted, and how ballots are counted and elections run.

But then again; the Trumpster is no conservative and does not appear to be enamored with a limited national government with powers few and defined . So perhaps you are right .

You can't do it in Mexico... or any other country in the world... except maybe Australia.

If ONE person votes illegally that one person too many.

Why are you slandering Australia? We have a very fair voting system with a voter ID check first by identifying yourself on the roll and if necessary validating that with ID and no dead voters. Our system is overseen by a federally appointed agency, no state politics can get in edgeways. If you adopted our system you would get a more representative result every time and be able to hold your politicians accountable at the polls

I did't write this... I read it posted elsewhere.. but think it sats it all perfectly.

"maybe its fake but it sure speaks volumes.I'll let you decide


This was written by the brother of NY Times political columnist Maureen Dowd.


Donald Trump pulled off one of the greatest political feats in modern history by defeating Hillary Clinton and the vaunted Clinton machine.

The election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama: his fantasy world of political correctness, the politicization of the Justice Department and the I.R.S., an out-of-control E.P.A., his neutering of the military, his nonsupport of the police and his fixation on things like transgender bathrooms. Since he became president, his party has lost 63 House seats, 10 Senate seats and 14 governorships.

The country had signaled strongly in the last two midterms that they were not happy. The Dems’ answer was to give them more of the same from a person they did not like or trust.

Preaching — and pandering — with a message of inclusion, the Democrats have instead become a party where incivility and bad manners are taken for granted, rudeness is routine, religion is mocked and there is absolutely no respect for a differing opinion. This did not go down well in the Midwest, where Trump flipped three blue states and 44 electoral votes.

The rudeness reached its peak when Vice President-elect Mike Pence was booed by attendees of “Hamilton” and then pompously lectured by the cast. This may play well with the New York theater crowd but is considered boorish and unacceptable by those of us taught to respect the office of the president and vice president, if not the occupants.

Here is a short primer for the young protesters. If your preferred candidate loses, there is no need for mass hysteria, canceled midterms, safe spaces, crying rooms or group primal screams. You might understand this better if you had not received participation trophies, undeserved grades to protect your feelings or even if you had a proper understanding of civics. The Democrats are now crying that Hillary had more popular votes. That can be her participation trophy.

If any of my sons had told me they were too distraught over a national election to take an exam, I would have brought them home the next day, fearful of the instruction they were receiving. Not one of the top 50 colleges mandate one semester of Western Civilization. Maybe they should rethink that.

Mr. Trump received over 62 million votes, not all of them cast by homophobes, Islamaphobes, racists, sexists, misogynists or any other “ists.” I would caution Trump deniers that all of the crying and whining is not good preparation for the coming storm. The liberal media, both print and electronic, has lost all credibility. I am reasonably sure that none of the mainstream print media had stories prepared for a Trump victory. I watched the networks and cable stations in their midnight meltdown — embodied by Rachel Maddow explaining to viewers that they were not having a “terrible, terrible dream” and that they had not died and “gone to hell.”

The media’s criticism of Trump’s high-level picks as “not diverse enough” or “too white and male” — a day before he named two women and offered a cabinet position to an African-American — magnified this fact.

Here is a final word to my Democratic friends. The election is over. There will not be a do-over. So let me bid farewell to Al Sharpton, Ben Rhodes and the Clintons. Note to Cher, Barbra, Amy Schumer and Lena Dunham: Your plane is waiting. And to Jon Stewart, who talked about moving to another planet: Your spaceship is waiting. To Bruce Springsteen, Jay Z, Beyoncé and Katy Perry, thanks for the free concerts. And finally, to all the foreign countries that contributed to the Clinton Foundation, there will not be a payoff or a rebate.

As Eddie Murphy so eloquently stated in the movie “48 Hrs.”: “There’s a new sheriff in town.” And he is going to be here for 1,461 days. Merry Christmas."

As best as can figure ,the Dems oppose it because they think it is form of voter suppression . The way I see it ;the only vote it suppresses is the illegal vote.
No, the Republicans always start demanding it shortly before a major election in order to eliminate various populations of voters. It's never mentioned otherwise.

Smoothy, Pence wasn't lectured at "Hamilton." It was a heartfelt plea. Even Pence graciously listened and realized the passion behind the words.

Why are you slandering Australia? We have a very fair voting system with a voter ID check first by identifying yourself on the roll and if necessary validating that with ID and no dead voters. Our system is overseen by a federally appointed agency, no state politics can get in edgeways. If you adopted our system you would get a more representative result every time and be able to hold your politicians accountable at the pollsI said that because previously in this forum (wasn't this thread or even this month) you had said there is no voter ID in Australia.

If Australia actually has voter ID requirements then that makes EVERY other country in the world that requires it. There is no excuse why we don't have it here too EXCEPT to facilitate vote fraud by the left who are t he ones who fight against a voter ID.

No, the Republicans always start demanding it shortly before a major election in order to eliminate various populations of voters. It's never mentioned otherwise.

Smoothy, Pence wasn't lectured at "Hamilton." It was a heartfelt plea. Even Pence graciously listened and realized the passion behind the words.

I saw it.. they were typical liberals who think they know more than everyone else talking down to Pence and everyone who did NOT vote for Hildebeast. And Votor ID is NOT voter supression... here or anyplace else in the world. EVERY other country requires a votoer ID to prevent wholesale vote fraud the DNC regularly participates in.

You don’t need a photo ID to vote, but you do need one to buy alcohol and cigarettes.
Despite what the left has said in the debate over Voter ID laws, it’s pretty clear that you need a photo ID to do pretty much anything, and The Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/24-things-that-require-a-photo-id/article/2534254) has put together a long list.
You need one to open a bank account, or to apply for a job to fill that bank account.
You also need an ID to file for unemployment, and to apply for welfare, and Medicaid, and food stamps.
You need a photo ID to apply for Social Security
And to buy a home, and apply for a mortgage, or to rent a home.
You need a photo ID to drive a car, you need one to buy a new car, to buy a used car, heck, you even need one to rent a car.
You need a photo ID to get on an airplane, and you need one to get married, and you need one to check into a hotel room for your honeymoon.
You need a photo ID to buy a gun, and to apply for a hunting license and a fishing license, and even to adopt a pet.
You need a photo ID to pick up a prescription, you need one to buy certain kinds of cold medicine, and you need one to donate blood.
You need a photo ID to enter a casino, and you need one to buy lottery tickets.
You need one to buy a video game that’s rated M for Mature, and you need one to see a movie rated NC-17.
You need a photo ID to buy a cell phone and apply for a coverage plan and, in perhaps the greatest irony of the entire Voter ID debate, you need a photo ID to hold a rally or protest, such as a rally or protest against requiring a photo ID to vote.

Smoothy, you must live in an alternate universe. I have rarely had to flash my ID or photo ID for any of those things you mentioned. ID to buy lottery tickets????

So now that the election is over, the Republicans should get that federal voter ID requirement made into law. Do I hear crickets?

Hello smoothy:

It's NOT fake.. That is what her right wing brother thinks. I'm sure you think the same stuff.

excon

I did't write this... I read it posted elsewhere.. but think it sats it all perfectly.

This was written by the brother of NY Times political columnist Maureen Dowd.


Donald Trump pulled off one of the greatest political feats in modern history by defeating Hillary Clinton and the vaunted Clinton machine.

The election was a complete repudiation of Barack Obama:

That last line show's the author's fantasy world. It is a fact that Clinton won the popular vote by a significant margin. Despite totally unproven claims of voter fraud, the certified results will give her about a 2 million vote margin. That is hardly a repudiation of anything. Trump would do well to understand that.

On the other hand, the author does make some valid points about the anti-Trump protests. Personally, I think the protesters have gone too far myself. But I believe that Trump has only himself to blame for it. The fact that he ran a campaign that promoted fear, bigotry, etc is what has engendered these protests. I would also suggest to the author that, had the results been reversed, I believe the protests would be larger and more violent.

But the bottom line here is that the President of the US serves the entire country, not just those who elected him. And Trump would do well to remember that he has not received a mandate to put forth policies for a minority of the citizenry.

Smoothy, Pence wasn't lectured at "Hamilton." It was a heartfelt plea. Even Pence graciously listened and realized the passion behind the words.
Generally artists ,singers ,performers etc are not educated enough to make coherent arguments about political issues unless they memorize the script. Pence handled the incident perfectly . Free speech does not demand coherence. Brandon Victor Dixon demonstrated his ignorance and inconsistency by tweeting in the past some of the most vulgar inanities that reduce women to “ho’s” . He wrote that St Patty's Day is Christmas for black dudes who like white chicks.... the assumption being that a drunk white woman is an easy pick up. Collectively ,most of the cast of 'Hamilton' had not bothered to register, much less vote. Their political activism is as shallow as Colin Kaepernick’s .

Now I'll still go to see Hamilton once the price is right . From what I've seen ;it is a show I'll enjoy. .....or maybe I'll wait for the national tour hits my local theater . From what I hear ,they are advertising for "non-white " actors for the roles .

Attorney: ‘Hamilton’ Casting Call Violates City Human Rights Law « CBS New York (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/29/hamilton-casting-call-non-white/)

I say this to performers on both sides of the political divide .... in the words of Laura Ingraham ..... shut up and sing.

This particular free speech after "Hamilton" was both eloquent and heartfelt. The play, about revolutionaries, has since greatly increased in popularity.

No, the Republicans always start demanding it shortly before a major election in order to eliminate various populations of voters. It's never mentioned otherwise. Nah ;that's when the Dems pay attention to it . Republicans have consistently tried to add common sense voter ID laws for years . I can't think of a legitimate reason to oppose it beyond the fact that they are cool with someone voting who is not eligible to do so.
Trump is most likely exaggerating about the impact in this contest . But voter fraud is real and bipartisan.
You should know that living in the Chi-town. Don't believe me ? Ask Chris Matthews ;who opposes voter ID ,and yet freely admits that voter fraud is a tradition in Philly . He even described how it happens . Poll watchers call up a registered person who hasn't voted and asks if they are going to vote .If that person says no;then someone else shows up to vote in their place . Arlen Specter served as a Penn Senator for both parties . He was in favor of voter ID laws ;especially after he investigated the activities of ACORN ,an organization that was submitting hundreds of thousands of fake voter registrations around the country . As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he unsuccessfully urged that a hearing be held on the ACORN scandal. He was shot down by Schmuck Schumer, who will now be the Senate Minority leader .
Every stolen vote cancels out one legitimate vote ;and that is the biggest crime of the issue. Even if it is not close to as widespread as Trump suggests ,it should be addressed with a clear way to guarantee that the person who is casting the vote has the right to do so.

So why haven't the Republicans been successful?

The play, about revolutionaries, has since greatly increased in popularity. I don't think it could get more popular than it already was . It is impossible to get tickets ;and the seconday market is making a killing on the price .

Who said the Republicans haven't been successful ? There are only 19 states that don't have a form of voter id. Ironically both the states I mentioned that are notorius for voter fraud do not .
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state#Map

Who said the Republicans haven't been successful ? There are only 19 states that don't have a form of voter id. Ironically both the states I mentioned that are notorius for voter fraud do not .
https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state#Map
I said a FEDERAL photo ID requirement....

Although I would not mind one ;I don't think it is necessary . I have my passport and renew it on schedule . Actually I've heard the case for national id cards from more progressive sources than I have from conservative ones.

But the reason I don't think a national id is necessary for elections is(pardon my repeating myself ) that our system was designed for the states to run elections . I can't emphasis that enough . Even the Presidential election is based on 50 individual state contests . Each state has the power to decide it's own rules . The only Federal rules governing it is the 15th amendment and the subsequent voting rights acts . As long as states stay within the guidelines of the law (and apparently by different interpretions of the law by the courts );they are free to determine the way votes are conducted.

But the state-run system is obviously not working. Thus, there will have to be a blanket FEDERAL ID system that will ensure the FEDERAL elections are done correctly. Isn't that what Republicans say? Won't that stop their whining about vote fraud and prevent Republican gerrymandering?

Now you're backpedaling...

But the state-run system is obviously not working. Thus, there will have to be a blanket FEDERAL ID system that will ensure the FEDERAL elections are done correctly. Isn't that what Republicans say? Won't that stop their whining about vote fraud and prevent Republican gerrymandering?

Now you're backpedaling...No, Ive said that as well. It will eliminate people from voting in more than one state, county or city as well. And there have been people caught doing exactly that. Several elected Democrats specifically. The most extreme Gerrymandering takes place in Democrat districts....don't pretend its a Republican thing. If the Democrats were allowed to do it and thought it was right and just..then they can't complain if a Republican does it.

Drivers licenses no longer have any value as an ID because several Democrat states have been handing them out to illegals like party favors.

I don't back peddle . My position is clear . I would encourage voter id laws at the state level . IF the state thinks a national id will do the trick that is their choice .

I don't back peddle .
Sorry, tomder. I was mixing you up with another member.

Does anyone know if Hamilton will be playing in any Canadian cities? I would really like to see it. Too bad I live in the middle of nowhere.

Does anyone know if Hamilton will be playing in any Canadian cities? I would really like to see it. Too bad I live in the middle of nowhere.
Canada is not on the current tour schedule.

Hamilton Tour | 2016-2017 Tour Dates, Schedule, Tickets (http://www.hamiltontour.net)

The play should be eager to travel to Hamilton, Ontario. Are you anywhere near that city?

No, I'm from a small town in the Maritimes but my mom grew up in Hamilton after coming to Canada from Germany. I still have a few distant relatives there.

Trump doesn't need a recount, but he should investigate voting in Kookland

Just because this is out there...

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachments/63-gm-diesel-engines/20-6-2l-diesel-engine/505274d1480639760-craiglist-ads-we-all-want-buy-hillary-campaign-bus-2.jpg

Hillary Clinton's campaign bus dumping raw sewage on the street down a storm drain that goes directly into the waterways. Proof how much SHE cares about the environment.

Just because this is out there...

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachments/63-gm-diesel-engines/20-6-2l-diesel-engine/505274d1480639760-craiglist-ads-we-all-want-buy-hillary-campaign-bus-2.jpg

Hillary Clinton's campaign bus dumping raw sewage on the street down a storm drain that goes directly into the waterways. Proof how much SHE cares about the environment.
Why are you obsessing over Hillary? And your source, the librarian asked?

smoothy cannot access your pic, it goes to a dealership ad, The actions you report are deplorable but no more than we might expect of any politician on the run, I expect the US isn't well equipped with Dump points yet but given the B/S Dump pours forth you will need them

I feel bad for Clinton because of the unfair and irrational hatred so many people have for her. Many were surprised that 53% of white women voted for Trump but I'm not that surprised. Low-class women have always hated women who are smarter, prettier or more successful than they are. In high school there was a very smart girl that all of the snotty, popular girls hated even though she was very nice, and you know what they say about women liking bad boys who treat them like garbage, look up "hybristophilia". I guess the men who hate her are still mad because the cheerleader wouldn't date them in school or their mommies didn't hug them enough when they were little.

Thank you Dr Frued

Why are you obsessing over Hillary? And your source, the librarian asked?

Someone I know actually took that photo themselves.And until she accepts the fact she lost and goes back under her rock, then she is fair game.


I feel bad for Clinton because of the unfair and irrational hatred so many people have for her. Many were surprised that 53% of white women voted for Trump but I'm not that surprised. Low-class women have always hated women who are smarter, prettier or more successful than they are. In high school there was a very smart girl that all of the snotty, popular girls hated even though she was very nice, and you know what they say about women liking bad boys who treat them like garbage, look up "hybristophilia". I guess the men who hate her are still mad because the cheerleader wouldn't date them in school or their mommies didn't hug them enough when they were little.
Good god earl are you that delusional that you think SHE is the one being picked on? She and the DNC committed election fraud and STOLE the primary from Sauders. That isn't theory, that is fact... in their own emails discussing it. Thank you wikileaks..

She is the most VILE female I have ever had the misfortune of meeting in my life and I have met a few. The "low class people" are the ones who voted for Hillary, they are the same "low class people" out protesting, rioting and committing crimes like every other time they don't get their way.

All she and the media who were actually part of her campaign of hatred has done NOTHING but slander and Libel Trump.....she is only getting back a small fraction of what she and her minions have dished out over the years.

smoothy cannot access your pic, it goes to a dealership ad, The actions you report are deplorable but no more than we might expect of any politician on the run, I expect the US isn't well equipped with Dump points yet but given the B/S Dump pours forth you will need them


That's odd since that photo is posted not linked. It's a photo of her tour bus emptying the sewage from the toilet tanks on the side of the road in front of a shopping center they guy I know who took it happened to be at the time. Photo looked like storm drain.. I was told afterwards it was right into a ditch along side the road so it wasn't even actually a storm drain..

That's odd since that photo is posted not linked. It's a photo of her tour bus emptying the sewage from the toilet tanks on the side of the road in front of a shopping center they guy I know who took it happened to be at the time. Photo looked like storm drain.. I was told afterwards it was right into a ditch along side the road so it wasn't even actually a storm drain..
I can't see the photo either. That's why I asked for documentation. And I wonder where Trump's tour bus empties its sewage. Is anyone following to take pictures?

I can see it... don't know why you can't. Its not posted as a link. Its an attachment.

Got any Proof Trumps tour bus did anything illegal? We do have proof Hillary's did. And nobody was Following the Hildebeast to say Gotcha... guy stepped out of a store was in the right place at the right time and they weren't even trying to be coy about it as that was in front of a small strip mall.

There are lots of places RV's go to dump theirs legally... and there are a LOT of RV's out there.


Posting it again.

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We need to secretly follow and observe Trump's tour bus.

Why... Jealousy? Crush?

Why... Jealousy? Crush?
Yes, the driver is awfully cute.

Why... Jealousy? Crush?

You seem to be the one with the crush on last months candidate that has lost and hasn't been seen since.

Or is obsessed a better word?

actually she is behind the scenes orchestrating these useless recounts .

actually she is behind the scenes orchestrating these useless recounts .
She was sighted chatting with Trump's tour bus driver.

I thought you were a Dilliary follower Tal?

You seem to be the one with the crush on last months candidate that has lost and hasn't been seen since.

Or is obsessed a better word?Hasn't been seen where? Maybe in your part of the country... can't get away from her in my part.

"governed by this buffoon and his equally buffoon-ish cohorts". OOPS, until I reread the post, I thought you were talking about Barry, Harry and Nancy. 3 Dems in a tub, all lost at sea.

I think the Democrats made a mistake by re-electing Nancy Pelosi house minority leader. She's been around forever and it was definitely time for a change. They just don't learn from their mistakes.

I thought you were a Dilliary follower Tal? I'm pretty sure he was a Bolshevik Bernie supporter .

I think the Democrats made a mistake by re-electing Nancy Pelosi house minority leader. She's been around forever and it was definitely time for a change. They just don't learn from their mistakes.

Very poor choice .Selecting Schmuck Shumer for Senate Majority leader was a similar mistake . And picking Keith Ellison as DNC chief would be a disaster .

They should've picked Tim Ryan from Ohio as their House Minority leader . They should've picked Senator Joe Mancin from West Virginia as Senate Minority leader . The Dems are a sectional party who's centers are on the coastal states and a few cities .They are blind to what is happening in the rest of the country except for a few miles in the collar suburban counties surrounding their cities . New York is bluer than blue . But if you travel an hour outside of NYC there is a different world that they only see from their limos and helicopters when they travel to the mountains for a weekend get-away .

They claim that this election was no mandate . But the truth is that they lost and continue to lose across the board . When the emperor took office in 2009, Democrats had a 58 seat majority in the Senate, had 256 seats in the House and held 28 governorships.They lost the House and ceded the majority of governorships in 2010, ,then lost control of the Senate in 2014 and control of the White House this year. All told, Democrats have shed 63 House seats, 10 Senate seats and 12 governorships. But here is the real staggering stat ;since the emperor took office the Dems have lost 910 seats in state legislatures . I'm not saying it's all his fault . When he was on the ballot ,at least they held serve. What is killing them is their underlying big state Fabian socialism philosophy.

I think the Democrats made a mistake by re-electing Nancy Pelosi house minority leader. She's been around forever and it was definitely time for a change. They just don't learn from their mistakes.Completely agree with you on this... If I was in Congress nothing she could say would make me want to cooperate or compromise with her..(in fact just the opposite) and not just because of Obamacare. They need someone that's not as tainted as she is.

It is no good lamenting choices now. The democrat system of selecting a candidate is tainted and undemocratic and that's what you get, a purely political candidate. We had a bad system in our leftists and it had to be changed and suggest you do the same

At least we won't have to look at the Clinton gang unless they are behind bars.