There was also a troop withdrawal deadline in place put there by GWB.

Who Withdrew From Iraq? Was It Bush or Obama and Clinton? | John A. Tures (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-a-tures/who-withdrew-from-iraq-wa_b_7997690.html)


"The Security Agreement also sets a date of December 31, 2011, for all U.S. forces to withdraw from Iraq. This date reflects the increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces as demonstrated in operations this year throughout Iraq, as well as an improved regional atmosphere towards Iraq, an expanding Iraqi economy, and an increasingly confident Iraqi government."


Obama did try to negotiate an extension, but Iraq's al-Maliki government would not give American troops immunity from Iraq law, something the U.S. President called "the deal breaker." (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/immunity-for-troops-was-iraq-deal-breaker/)And Iraq's decision not to provide such immunity was criticized by Republican conservatives (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2011/10/michele_bachmann_on_the_iraq_withdrawal_do_republi cans_think_we_.html).

Shows Obama is willing to walk away from a "bad deal".

The funny part to me is after we were denied keeping troops in Iraq over the immunity issue, we still have troops in Iraq and are sending more to keep training/advising Iraqi troops (if you can call them that).

Obama walked away from the Iraqi deal, and got things done anyway with keeping a military presence in Iraq. No casualties, or prosecutions either. Those are facts the repubs (AND Jeb) never acknowledge, while they holler and blame and call Obama names.

One could also conclude, default or not, the 3 state solution that has occurred in Iraq may not be a bad thing. Maybe a sunni leader will emerge and reject ISIS, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen, so containing Isis until a better opposition emerges is a prudent course at this time.

It's not like we don't have planes, drones, bombs and missiles, and it's great target practice for pilots, both remote and manned. You know, in case we change targets to another country, like Iran, Syria... North Korea?

Isn't it a good thing when they enemy dies, and WE don't? Quiet as it's kept there are no cries that we shouldn't keep doing what we are doing, as support and involvement by others grows... slowly maybe... but surely.

The funny part to me is after we were denied keeping troops in Iraq over the immunity issue, we still have troops in Iraq and are sending more to keep training/advising Iraqi troops (if you can call them that).

Obama walked away from the Iraqi deal, and got things done anyway with keeping a military presence in Iraq. No casualties, or prosecutions either. Those are facts the repubs (AND Jeb) never acknowledge, while they holler and blame and call Obama names.

Don't give Obama the credit where he doesn't deserve it . The withdrawal deal the Bush negotiators made with Iraq would have left tens of thousands of U.S. troops inside Iraq for an unspecified time.

You can't spin your way out of it . Obama's own Sec Defense laid the truth bare in his book .


President Obama was advised to keep a stay-behind force and warned about the consequences if he did not. He preferred to keep his campaign pledge to get all the troops out. The White House therefore allowed negotiations to falter for a status of forces agreement and bragged it had gotten all the troops out. Iraq has now collapsed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/10/02/leon-panetta-blows-whistle-on-lies-about-iraq/


We had leverage. We could, for instance, have threatened to withdraw reconstruction aid to Iraq if al-Maliki would not support some sort of continued U.S. military presence. My fear, as I voiced to the President and others, was that if the country split apart or slid back into the violence that we'd seen in the years immediately following the U.S. invasion, it could become a new haven for terrorists to plot attacks against the U.S. Iraq's stability was not only in Iraq's interest but also in ours. I privately and publicly advocated for a residual force that could provide training and security for Iraq's military.

Leon Panetta: How the White House Misplayed Iraqi Troop Talks (http://time.com/3453840/leon-panetta-iraqi-troop/)

You guys really must lose your GOD COMPLEX your really are not in control of the destiny of the world and your efforts are not helping. You either are all in or not in, what is happening at the moment in selective bombing is hardly more than containment and as long as you allow daesh to consolidate their hold on territory the harder they will be to dislodge. You may have to accept that a new nation has formed, a new phirrah state born. Their military forces have shown themeslves to be more effective than many thousands of trained troops with sophisticated weapons and they are redrawing the map of the middle east

shame on us if that happens . Years from now the people will look back at the rape of the Yazidis and ask how could the world let that happen ? Another holocoust that could've been prevented by the free people of the world .

It appears the free people of the world are under siege and have many local problems to contend with, these mass migrations caused by war and economic disadvantage are the great threat, the population of Syria and Iraq is being displaced into Europe, the population of latin america into the US and we have yet to truly see the migrations of the african peoples stated by slavery five centuries ago but they must be drawn by the relative success of their people in the americas. We have stemmed the tide in Australia for the time being, but there are significant numbers from the sub continent reestablishing themselves here to which is added the refugee flow, and overriding all of this is the Muslim problem, the attempt to reestablish the caliphate.

How could we let it happen, Tom, in exactly the same way as the holocaust of the jews started, with indifference and minimisation and isolation of the problem. Daesh are the nazi of the 21st century and their methods are the same, like the daleks of fiction their credo is exterminate. The significance of the black flag is death. You cannot negotiate and talk your way out of it. Diplomacy means nothing to these people and the best way of dealing with them is to unleash those who understand their mentality on them

Daesh are the nazi of t
he 21st century and their methods are the same, like the daleks of fiction their credo is exterminate. The significance of the black flag is death. You cannot negotiate and talk your way out of it. Diplomacy means nothing to these people and the best way of dealing with them is to unleash those who understand their mentality on them
Unleash ? You make no sense . Just like Hiltler and Stalin made common cause with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact ,so does Iran and Turkey make common cause even though they are natural enemies. You saw it yourself in the battles around Kobani .The Turks were in a position to make a difference .Instead they stood on the sidelines watching the battle .
They have now stepped up their attacks on ISIS because ISIS turned on them. No you can't count on one evil to do the things necessary to eliminate another evil .
But that is of course the progessive mentality . The NY Slimes covered up what they knew about the concentration camps .

Yes I make sense, this is an arab war held in check by your diplomacy. Your diplomacy has now allowed the Turks to attack the Kurds in Iraq with impunity, you wouldn't allow Saddam to do that but you allow the turks. The turks benefit from Daesh victories, it eliminates their enemies, the Shiia of Syria and Iraq and they are still standing on the sidelines and facilitating the passage of refugees into Europe. I have come to the conclusion we may be fighting the wrong enemy, Turkey has for centuries held aspirations of dominating Europe, how better to do it than with a muslim population and let us not forget they would like their old empire back, which will be easy once Daesh have weakened the armies of Syria and Iraq

Why do you behave this way, because you are allied with the Saudi and you want them as a check against Iran, but they play a double game too, supporting Daesh

I couldn't finish reading it all, however.. "I have come to the conclusion we may be fighting the wrong enemy;" I totally agree with you. And this is what I have to say to my Fellow Muslims.. Look back .. History will teach you a good lesson.. And It is You, Muslim have to Fights back against BAD and Evil, even though they might be your loved ones..
Civilian are being Haunted and Profiled by them even here in the USA.
I have tried spoke to many Muslim leader of ISNA and ICNA and CAIR.. No one would listen to me..And totally being Ignorant that nothing had happen. They Set me up with Psychopath.. well she is a 800 Million Dollar Crime Baby.. The ARAB are Afraid to speak up against Pakistani-Afghani- Indian Muslims Criminal Acts. They are being Isolated by this Muslims of ICNA.. Dominated by the South East Asian Wealthy Muslims in the USA.

Here is a personal Story.. I have recently Travel from LOGAN to Phoenix.. Everything went fine when the Ticket was Booked. GOV't was okay by me.. but.. there was a SARC Rats.. of Wiker.. who send a Puertorican to Watch Video of Making Planes, BOMBS etc before I went to the Airport at my Group Home Computer. It was his D&D employee.. So, The Same he did in Phoenix.. He works with a Local mosque and Church. The Same of what I have seen Prior in MA and MD. The Mosque leader he works is a SUDANESE or Somali Heritage Muslim IMAM. Then his Church is the same.. and they all support NGO called " WORLD VISION".. He driven the same car, and License Plate which I have seen parked at a Local mosque since I arrived then at a Local HUGE African American Church in DownTown Phoenix at the Handicap parking... I couldn't believe my eyes. What I feel now is that.. Christian Missionaries is losing their funds and bates, they have Ganged up with this IRANIAN KHOMENI CREATED, Islamic- Tablig Jamat to Ruin the World...
and for their own GOOD. If there is CHAOS in town their business will grow, Like Stalk market Manipulation.

It will soon destroy what is left of Muslim Heritage still in IRAQ, PERSIA, DAMASCUS . or the Red Sea Area. Man.. It happen before to.. the WAR between, ROMAN Catholics and Muslims.. POWER.. Mohammed brought Peace in Jerusalem. They Call themselves Muslims, but they do not follow Mohammed Rules and Laws for the Society. They want SARIA .. so they can make Investment Fraud, Business Fraud, real Estate Fraud..

I was followed throughout the TOWN by this VIKER MUSLIM Knight.. to everywhere.. he has paid member from a Street gang " Black Panther"... A Muslim man wanted to offer me a JOB.. he need help, I am looking for JOB.. I could not have his life risk.. What if.. this VIKER
Killed him for helping me..

I live in Fear for my life since December 2014 what I have been seen in Muslims in the USA now then even 3/4 years ago..

Sorry you don't make a lot of sense with this sort of thinking. How can we understand muslims if you ramble. The turks play a double game, the saudi play a double game, this is bigger than local issues. I don't doubt there are local rabble rousers and facilitators who feed recruits to daesh and trouble makers. We have enough of them here but there is no one really committed to end this conflict, the military-industrial complex don't want it ended and we have lost our appitite for war

It seems that deash is not advancing. What have they achieved? They have taken and established control of most of the sunni areas in Iraq, they have established control of sunni areas of Syria. Why have they not attacked damascus, the heart of the apostate regime? They are realists, they take what they can achieve and wait. Time is on their side. While they wait the syrian regime weakens and the iraqi regime falters

What does the west do, it waits and while it waits daesh grows stronger, sooner or later it will actually have a country to defend and a populance who will defend it. Perhaps it has reached that stage now? America is now focused on the circus within their own borders, Europe is focused on the inrush of migrants, only Russia is interested in projecting power

The US will not do anything while the emperor is on the throne. His big 3 remaining agenda is to:
1) put the final dagger in the US economy with his initiatives to control global climate change.
2) make a Haj to Tehran to bow to and kiss the ring of the Ayatollah .
3) decide on a suitable successor to the throne...(he would prefer Elizabeth Warren ;but it looks like he'll decide on stooge Joe Biden ...with an outside shot by Al the Goracle ).

The conservatives here mirror the quality of republican presidential candidates.

The US will not do anything while the emperor is on the throne. His big 3 remaining agenda is to:
1) put the final dagger in the US economy with his initiatives to control global climate change.
2) make a Haj to Tehran to bow to and kiss the ring of the Ayatollah .
3) decide on a suitable successor to the throne...(he would prefer Elizabeth Warren ;but it looks like he'll decide on stooge Joe Biden ...with an outside shot by Al the Goracle ).

You are not trying to ressurrect Al, surely that ship has sailed? Even Hillary would have more savvy than him and Joe, he can go on biden his time, what happened to Kerry or is he just blowin in the wind?

I actually pity you guys, spoiled for choice as you are, but cheer up I hear krud is in the states and lookin' for a gig. Make him an offer he is the emperor type

no it won't be the Goracle . His signature issue has proven to be a fraud ... He separated from his wife Tipper and is taking some heat for that ....and no one will forgive him for his association with Al Jazzera .



JFKerry is a different issue. He sees himself as a much more effective Sec State than Evita ....especially with his complete surrender to Iran and his incompetent negotiations of the nuke treaty . I think the emperor will settle for Biden as the standard bearer of the emperor's 3rd term.


The emperor continues to push AGW to the top of the agenda. This week his flunkies in the Senate offered up another economy killing climate bill. He will also meet with Xi Jinping and make climate change a top focus of their meetings despite all the other pressing issues between the nations. He's also meeting with il Papa where they will pat themselves on the back for their efforts to create human misery in the guise of saving the world .


It wasn't that long ago when a President of the United States and the Pope collaborated to defeat communism. Now the President stands in solidarity with the Pope and the leading communist on the planet.

Such a distraction from the war on Islam, but then politics always is. You should not be concerned with communism that ship sailed long ago and like the Titanic hit an iceberg. Why should Cuba concern you, better relations can only be to your advantage, repatriate a few migrants, sell a few cars, get some good medical treatment, are you afraid they can show you a better way through austerity?

AGW is big right now because of Paris and the opportunity to grandstand on the world stage. Europe is pondering stemming the flow of its "migrants" at the source. It will be interesting to see what they will do, since you don't seem to have the talent for it

But what to do about the fact that the islamic dream is not the reality apparently Daesh is boring, not enough action and no loot

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/boring-y-and-no-luxury-cars-defectors-reveal-why-jihadi-dream-turned-sour/story-fnh81ifq-1227540948335

Someone has realised you can't get something for nothing and jihadism doesn't pay.

Well Russia is being allowed to play its favourite game, bombing the crap out of muslims and violating other people's borders, can anyone see a confrontation in their future, perhaps one engineered by themselves?

In case you are not up with the news, Russia has been bombing everyone but Daesh, perhaps saving them for last or when they are foolish enough to actually attack the syrian army meanwhile Deash is establishing its victory over ancient religions and structures. It's not all bad Russia has been bbombing Al Nusra but they also have been bombing more moderate rebel groups which will allow assad to consolidate. I expect Russia's intent is to clear the region around their air base under the guise of force protection

Vlad has always had a vested interest in Syria, with two military bases, and the threat of jihadist in his own backyard. I think it makes a regime change more imminent though, not less, and Vlad knows that.

Putin has acted to prevent regime change, he knows Daesh probably has the capability to overrun Assad, and he wants to keep those mediterranian bases

It seems local Muslims have finally got the message with one Muslim Iman telling his followers, if you don't like it here, leave. This comes after a 15 year old boy was incited to attempt to murder police by militants in his mosque and was shot dead, while other followers have been rounded up by police. It is interesting to note there hasn't been any protest by the Muslim community following the death, in contrast to the usual militant displays at other times.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-09/if-you-dont-like-australia-leave-muslim-leader-tells-worshippers/6839886
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-09/malcolm-turnbull-parrmatta-shooting/6841892

I waiting for a head to pop up and tell us not to say nasty things about refugees and migrants because the views at this time are unprintable even our Prime Minister has contributed the remark "it is not compulsory to live in Australia but Australia is ruled by secular law put in place by our parliament and enforced by our courts"

Back in Syria, the war on Islam seems to be succeeding, Terrorist/rebel goups are attacking eack other as the Russians pound away at them. An interesting thought, if the western powers, read US, etc, hadn't taken sides and had conducted their war on "terror" in the appropriate way, this conflict may have ended long ago, and they could have already dealt with the question of Assad, but no. proxy wars are in vogue with the unfortunate outcome that the true victor maybe the Russians and heaven forbid the Iranians. We won't be able to live with the rhetoric should this be the outcome.

we have to learn that not every revolution is an expression of freedom and the will of the people and unfortunately the US has the built in lens which means they must support every uprising in places where there is no history of democracy unless the religious/political equation is the wrong hue. No shiia islam, no socialism but use a convenient dictator by all means if he can be weaned from Russia

I see this board's participation level is where administration and some of the members want it to be.

To answer your comment . If feckless western leaders hadn't abandoned the region this conflict would not be at the level it is today . I have no problem with the Ruskies pounding away at radical jihadists . Someone has to do it.

I see this board's participation level is where administration and some of the members want it to be.

To answer your comment . If feckless western leaders hadn't abandoned the region this conflict would not be at the level it is today . I have no problem with the Ruskies pounding away at radical jihadists . Someone has to do it.

Hi Tom

Yes the frequent contibutors seem to have abandoned this Board, I expect the subjects are tired and have been well dug over or are seen as irrelevant to daily life.

The Russians are impressive in their zeal, they know first hand the impacts of muslim terrorism and they also know how to gain political advantage from the lack lustre performance of a rival, of course, they tend to be heavy handed and not overly concerned about civilian populations. I think they are right that you cannot distinguish between the various groups when they are all mixed in together. The Iraqi have made no progress against Daesh, perhaps saving a sunni isn't worth a shiite life and we have a wait and see how the game plays out which may mean Daesh will give up out of boredom.

One curious twist is that the Assad regime are reported to be buying oil from Daesh, Syrian oil of course.

Hi Tom

Yes the frequent contibutors seem to have abandoned this Board, I expect the subjects are tired and have been well dug over or are seen as irrelevant to daily life.

nope they were driven off . I go to a site where the same topics are given enthusiastic conversation (and no one is hung up about pc ) .You'd like it .There are plenty discussions about Christianity .

Sweet! Where is it?

Yes Tom don't keep it a secret I've been wondering what you have been doing with your time

Marvellous development in Syria, Russia is calling for elections, no doubt Vlad has given Assad a quick course in how to hang on to power while not actually seeming to do it

nope they were driven off . I go to a site where the same topics are given enthusiastic conversation (and no one is hung up about pc ) .You'd like it .There are plenty discussions about Christianity .


Some of us and Im not speaking for others. Mostly for myself. Just get tired of being stuck in what seems like a cycle of wash - rinse-repeat. What keeps me from commenting most times is that it appears the topics are on point but the real point is being missed as it is only a distraction from what is actually going on. There are many areas you and I both agree on and many where we agree to disagree. That is what makes for healthy discussion. The problem comes in when it appears that the discussion breaks down into an almost cyclical event. I prefer to walk away. It doesnt stop me from returning and reading what has been said as I might learn something. I try keeping an open mind and also am aware that I am opinionated too. That is all part of the great mix.

Since Google redid the way its search engine posts results and the way it grades sites we have taken a hit here.

Some of us and Im not speaking for others. Mostly for myself. Just get tired of being stuck in what seems like a cycle of wash - rinse-repeat.

Yes I know where you are coming from. As to accessibility of the site there are still many questions in a number of topics it is just that people don't seem to want to express political or religious views and that may be part of the cycle. For myself, I know I've taken a lot of hits since I first came here and the world has changed

Daesh claim they shot down a russian airliner in Sinai. The Russians were unaffected by the loss of MH17 allegedly from a Russian Buk missile in Ukraine but I wonder how it feels with the shoe on the other foot

Russian plane crash: Flight 7K9268 crashed in Egypt (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/russian-plane-crashes-in-egypt/story-fnizu68q-1227589431084)

If daesh have this capability then the whole face of the war against daesh changes and I would expect Russia to step up punitive strikes against daesh and become much more aggressive towards that group. We can expect russian pressure on Egypt to very rapidly attack daesh in Sinai

They better be careful since 14% of Russians are Sunni Muslims.

Word is by 2050 50% will be muslim

Just sometimes you have an inkling of the thinking that causes some of us not to like Muslims

» Libya Threatens to Ship Hundreds of Thousands of Migrants to Europe Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/libya-threatens-to-ship-hundreds-of-thousands-of-migrants-to-europe/)

This is a very sick threat, and it isn't the first time Libyans have used it successfully. What of the Africans who are being used in this manner? Not a single thought for their welfare, just pawns in a game. I think it is time for a resurgence of gunboat diplomacy where Libya is concerned, If they will send boats, sink the boats before they can leave port, turn the boats around at sea and if needs be destroy the ports from which they sail.

Europe should make it plain immediately, anyone who comes by this route will not be allowed to settle in Europe, such a policy has been proven to stem the tide and bring order.

Why did we have to wait a year to hear news like this?

Russia bombs 448 terrorist targets in Syria | World | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/618236/Russia-ISIS-Syria-bomb-448-targets-three-days)

What I think we have seen in Syria and Iraq is tokenism but just like 9/11 awakened america the downing of a russian plane awakened Russia. America is now too embroiled in its election cycle to fully step out, so Russia is free to move and take revenge for its citizens and they won't have any debate at home as to whether they should do it. Obama makes war on pipelines, while Putin makes war on muslims

The town of Sinjar in Iraq has been liberated

Battle for Sinjar: IS-held town in Iraq 'liberated' - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/34806556)

Once again Daesh has been found not to be invincible and Mosul is now cut off from Racca. Strategically this is important.

The town of Sinjar in Iraq has been liberated

Battle for Sinjar: IS-held town in Iraq 'liberated' - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/34806556)

Once again Daesh has been found not to be invincible and Mosul is now cut off from Racca. Strategically this is important




There is a theory that the reason that the Islamic State is attacking outside it's territory is because they are losing territory in the Lavant . At least that is the theory I heard from Will McCants of the Brookings Institute ,author of 'The ISIS Apocalypse' .I'd like to think that is the reason over something like them attacking outside their territory because they've gained the capacity and confidence .
If this is an effort to make their enemies abroad pay a price for the operations against them in their areas of control ,the last thing we should be doing is taking the pressure off them. That would be exactly the wrong signal to send.

Terrorists attack targets of opportunity to spread terror, and cause their opponents to divert their attention. Daesh is unusual in that they have taken and held territory but they have enemies they want to attack. Think about it. Turkey, for allowing the US to use airbases, Lebanon, attacking a hezbollah, shiite area, Russia for the syrian campaign, Paris; attacking the French for their part in the Syrian campaign, which means the US, Australia, Britain, the Gulf states are also on the list when the opportunity presents. The only thing that will stop it is vigilance and stopping the flow of migrants where they can hide and infiltrate.

Daesh will have realised that they will be unable to expand their territory further and so they will attack targets outside their
territory


IS: 'We swear that we will strike America'Islamic State has warned in a new video that countries taking part in air strikes against Syria would suffer the same fate as France, and threatened to attack Washington (http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-islamic-state-video-threatens-a-parisstyle-attack-on-washington-20151116-gl0hvd).
The video, which appeared on a website used by IS to post its messages, begins with news footage of the aftermath of the Paris shootings, in which at least 129 people were killed.
The message to countries involved in what it called the "crusader campaign" was delivered by a man dressed in fatigues and a turban, and identified in subtitles as Al Ghareeb the Algerian.
"We say to the states that take part in the crusader campaign that, by God, you will have a day, God willing, like France's and by God, as we struck France in the centre of its abode in Paris, then we swear that we will strike America at its centre in Washington," the man said.
- Reuters



This is what was said sometime ago, returning jihadists represent a threat

Some towelheads in the ME think that we will be cowered by their threats, what we say to them is bring it on, your black flag and your black pyjamas don't frighten us.

IS vows Australian revenge attack (http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/is-terrorists-threaten-australian-revenge-attacks-in-propaganda-video/news-story/9c5766207af366192ac4d6039e39a678)

This is a nation that has never been cowered, we have had some battle losses but we have been there at the victory. In making these threats they should remember that we were the terror of the German army in WWI, we turned the japanese back in New Guinea with a few ill trained teenagers in WWII. We say to the Daesh sympathisers here stand up, but we know you are cowards, the murderers of women, children and old men. In Paris you shot and bombed unarmed people, Cowards, in fact, the term daesh means exactly that. So come on you towelheads in Lakemba and Punchbowl, in Auburn and Granville, you see we know where you live and greater are those who are against you than are for you. The last one of you who tried it lay dead in the street after he killed an unarmed man and that is the fate that awaits all of you

The war on terror has become a war on drugs or is it the other way around?

Syria is a major drug dealer and manufacturer of amphetamines in the middle east and it is affecting the war there. The war is being fought by drugged up terrorists on both sides. Now there is nothing new about drugs in war, the americans in vietnam were off their face but this gives fresh perspective

Syria war: Captagon drug fuelling both sides (http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/syria-war-captagon-drug-fuelling-both-sides/news-story/64642e93ac8ea4cbb466bf4a2877b0c0)

How do you tell what you are fighting for

Why am I not surprised. That seems to be a common theme in areas where illegal drugs are produced anywhere in the world.

I don't think we should be surprised, islam has never prescribed drugs just alcohol and some of the savagery has to have a source and amphetamines causes rage and irrational behaviour but we might be instructed as to how the muslims will infiltrate the west

It is apparent that Turkey's plan for regime change in Syria will not succeed, it is a distrubing development that they should choose to shoot down a russian plane even if it did momentarily cross an undefined border. This is not a mistake but a deliberate approved act in support of Turkist supported rebels. The best thing Turkey could do here is advise the turkmen to withdraw so as to avoid the future potential for escalation. Russia is unconcerned about the political aspirations of any forces opposed to the syrian regime. They have said many times they do not distinguish between one terrorist and another. Killing a parachuting pilot will be regarded as an act of terrorism. Audio has been provided of a warning in english, so who did the turks think they were speaking to? English is not the langauge of Russians, or Syrians so did they think they were speaking to americans?

Islamic State conflict: US to deploy special force to Iraq - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34977977)

The US will increase the number of special forces operating in Iraq and Syria to further degrade Daesh