Terror Alert Threats Escalated in Europe - By John Cleese

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist threats and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross."

The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out.

Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.

Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing.." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."

The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbor" and "Lose."

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels...

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Australia , meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be right, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is canceled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.

-- John Cleese - British writer, actor and tall person

The americans on the other hand have said the danger is now greater than 9/11 so that means that they are anticpating a large scale attack launched from Syria

snopes.com: Alert to Threats in 2013 Europe (http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/terrorismalert.asp)

snopes.com: Alert to Threats in 2013 Europe (http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/terrorismalert.asp)

Thanks for that karma these things always do the rounds and thanks for the acknowledgement that we terrorise the Brits more than ISIS our fast attack leaves them sprawling with their captain sent home for derelection. The G20 will be here in a few days so Tony, the budgee smugler from down under, Abbott is alarmed but not alert, or is that the other way around, we can never get these things straight because they want to talk the language of dills, a simple tie me kangaroo down sport would have been sufficient, 'nough said

the footy finals are on this weekend and the dills have security all over the place, like some arab understands it enough to think of bombing it, they can bomb Melbourne AFL if they want to

A problem is small until it is not . Last year they were a rag tag off-shoot of the so called "FSA" . Now they are over 31,000 strong and seemingly growing as exponentially as the Ebola plague in Liberia .

CIA: ISIS now has an estimated 31,000 fighters - The Week (http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/268010/speedreads-cia-isis-now-has-an-estimated-31000-fighters)

Ebola threatens to destroy Sierra Leone and Liberia | Sci-Tech | DW.DE | 11.09.2014 (http://www.dw.de/ebola-threatens-to-destroy-sierra-leone-and-liberia/a-17915090)


The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.
they are about to tell England to bugger off .

Aye, Jimmy, they want the sassinacs to go home but the scots haven't terrorised anyone since 1745. The scots have their ain tongue and want their ain land. ISIS is like a magnet sucking up muslims who want to confront and the idea of the caliphate appeals, former glories and all that, I can imagine that the thought of them terrorises Assard and Malaki and several other ME despots because their military forces are incompetent, little more than ceremonial posturing whereas ISIS has a plan, a simple plan, eliminate the enemy, a black flag with a black intent, it is fairly easy to explain this plan to the young and stupid. Why did they turn to Iraq, it is because the Syrian army is too strong for them, but a few thousand fighters in Iraq could quickly gain territory where they are not opposed, where the population is sympathetic

Why did they turn to Ir
aq, it is because the Syrian army is too strong for them, but a few thousand fighters in Iraq could quickly gain territory where they are not opposed, where the population is sympathetic

Think of the pipeline ...then it all makes sense why they want to control the land that the alternative to the Qatar-Turkey pipeline would go through.

You suggest they are pawns, but I think they are simpler than that, opportunists, they take over oil fields and do some simple nation building. It is easy to reroute a pipeline to leave Iraq out

You suggest they are pa
wns, but I think they are simpler than that, opportunists, they take over oil fields and do some simple nation building. It is easy to reroute a pipeline to leave Iraq out

I think they are true believers . But their funding comes from the Gulf states ,and they have a clear agenda to run their pipeline through Syria into Turkey. It is not so easy for the 12ers to run their alternative pipeline to Syria bypassing Iraq. They want it to go through Kurdistan and Northern Iraq . That explains ISIS attacks on both regions .

True believers, in what? Mayhem? This is what you get when you disturb established power structures, criminals, terrorists

True believers, in what?

Salafist jihadism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafist_jihadism)

Tom that article doesn't suggest ISIS are part of that grouping, so I think you are drawing a long bow, even the Saudi don't like these people and they have been part of spreading extremist teachings.

the Saudis play a dual game. They want to be traditional monarchs ,but have made a devil's bargain with jihadistan. Make no mistake ,they may not like the Islamic State . But for now ,ISIS serves their interests and are their proxies .

There is always someone playing a double game in the middle east Tom but you are saying the Saudi are state sponsors of terrorism

but you are saying the Saudi are state sponsors of terrorism? duh ;although it doesn't come officially from the regime ... financing comes from wealthy individuals in the regime ...with the kingdom giving it a nod and wink.

An oblique reference to OBL, we are aware that various saudi's have turned up in AQ

Some may wonder why we took the ISIS threat so seriously far from the conflict

Sydney Christian school targeted by death threats from 'Islamic State' flagged car (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-christian-school-targeted-by-death-threats-from-islamic-state-flagged-car-20140918-10ige1.html)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-18/anti-terror-police-mount-large-scale-raids-in-sydney-brisbane/5752002

Terror alert to rise as two men arrested after Islamic bookshop raid (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/terror-alert-to-rise-as-two-men-arrested-after-islamic-bookshop-raid-20140910-10erkd.html)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-18/live-blog3a-anti-terrorism-raids-in-sydney-and-brisbane/5752074

Some may wonder why we took the ISIS threat so seriously far from the conflict

Sydney Christian school targeted by death threats from 'Islamic State' flagged car (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-christian-school-targeted-by-death-threats-from-islamic-state-flagged-car-20140918-10ige1.html)

Anti-terror operation in Sydney and Brisbane 'thwarted' beheading plot - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-18/anti-terror-police-mount-large-scale-raids-in-sydney-brisbane/5752002)

Terror alert to rise as two men arrested after Islamic bookshop raid (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/terror-alert-to-rise-as-two-men-arrested-after-islamic-bookshop-raid-20140910-10erkd.html)

Live blog: Senior Australian in Islamic State 'ordered kidnappings and beheadings in Sydney and Brisbane' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-18/live-blog3a-anti-terrorism-raids-in-sydney-and-brisbane/5752074)

good job . When the US broke up terror plots during the Presidency of GW Bush ,the lefties used to dismiss the plot as insignificant . I will not be so cynical . This proves that the Islamic State is the international threat we think they are .

Sec State 'Lurch' JF Kerrry has identified the real reason we should take on the Islamic State... (are your ready ? ) ..... because they don't offer health care !

Kerry to Code Pink: ‘ISIL is Killing and Raping and Mutilating Women’ | CNS News (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/kerry-code-pink-isil-killing-and-raping-and-mutilating-women)

That's one of the many things he said. Saying that he stated that he "has identified the real reason we should take on the Islamic State... (are your ready ? ) ..... because they don't offer health care ! " is a total falsehood. Did you even read the article?

sure did ;and watched the video too . Here is the relevent passage :

“I respect the right of Code Pink to protest and to use that right,” he said. “But you know what, I also know something about Code Pink. Code Pink was started by a woman, and women, who were opposed to war but who also thought that the government’s job was to take care of people. And to give them health care and education and good jobs.”
“And if that’s what you believe in — and I believe it is — then you ought to care about fighting ISIL,” “Because ISIL is killing and raping and mutilating women. They believe women shouldn’t have an education. They sell off girls to be sex slaves to jihadists. . . . And they’re not offering anyone health care of any kind. They’re not offering anyone education of any kind.”

Maybe the beheaded can apply for coverage on the exchanges. Or maybe the Code Pinko's can volunteer to stand as human shields for the Islamic State.

So you omitted his condemning of them selling girls off to be sex slaves, I guess it's because you agree with that.

good job . When the US broke up terror plots during the Presidency of GW Bush ,the lefties used to dismiss the plot as insignificant . I will not be so cynical . This proves that the Islamic State is the international threat we think they are .

yes Tom we got this one right and guess what, the Muslims are protesting about government action, that makes them complicit, I think we should start the deportations now, rather than wait until later, interestingly the guy at the head of the beheading plot was an Afghan refugee raised here not some recent blowin, which clearly demonstrates that these terrorists can be radicalised as children, they don't need to come from muslim countries as adults. We have an ad doing the rounds on TV depicting an Australian saying he doesn't think the muslims fit Australian values with a black muslim having the hide to say what is an Australian, well I can tell you he is not somali nor is he nigerian

ISIS has lifted the game to a kill order on infidels, specifically americans, french, australians and canadians, because so many nations oppose them there will be no place on Earth where anyone is safe from the muslim menace and no place on Earth where they are safe, this rhetoric that boots on the ground aren't necessary to bring a swith end to this is nonsense must give way to a measured swift response which is more than a air war

The emperor likens himself to Lincoln. But in this case there is a difference. Lincoln spent most of the war looking for Generals willing to fight it . In this case ,the Joint Chiefs and many former Generals are advising him that to defeat the Islamic State ,"boots on the ground " ,and expanding the geography into Syria is necessary . Even former Obama Def Secs Leon Panetta and Bill Gates came out in support of that yesterday . Panetta also said the the reason the Islamic State rose is because we pulled out of Iraq too quickly .

I don't see congress declaring war, or authorizing troops, Tom. Matter of fact, the congress ran like hell for another vacation before the election.

I did not hear the emperor calling for a declaration. He thinks (and I agree with him) that AUMF covers this .The ironic thing is that he wanted AUMF repealed .

Doesn't matter Tom, congress wouldn't do anything any way. They don't need a presidential directive for congressional actions. They didn't to sue for repeals or start investigations, and could debate and draft legislation when they so choose. They didn't they took a pass at everything until after the election.

Doesn't matter Tom, congress wouldn't do anything any way

They did EXACTLY what the emperor requested before they left .
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/world/middleeast/senate-approves-isis-bill-avoiding-bigger-war-debate.html?_r=0

You do realize that the 'do nothing Congress ' charge is beating a dead horse .It has no legs because it is and always was BS. It will not help the Dems in their coming defeat in November .

See ya Nov. 4th then.

btw ,the Senate didn't even have any debate on the issue. They just added $ to the CR . to fund the emperor's request.

To busy trying to get out of Dodge.

The "allies " bombed Raqqa , Syria ,the Islamic state stronghold last night . The allies mentions were UAE Qatar and Bahrain. The only air power I can identify were American Predators,Cruise Missiles launched from American ships. I have seen no reports of how the "allies" contributed .
The emperor has taken heat from his critis ,and his own allies in the Democrat Party (including 2 former Def Secs),and the compliant press because he has not supported the Kurds were were under siege in Syria to date .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/editorial-the-islamic-state-exploits-obamas-weaknesses/2014/09/22/b5562bd8-4277-11e4-9a15-137aa0153527_story.html

BTW ;we will have Baracklock today as the emperor comes into town to speak to the UN about the weather . It got me thinking ........what would've happened if President Bush attacked Syria without at least attempting to get a UN Resolution first ? Imagine the thousands of Code Pinks and their kindred converging on NYC to have a mass anti-war protest .

You just have your own little protest there Tom at least this time what is done isn't based on a lie, but truly attacking an Al Qaeda offshoot, the same people you were supposed to have dealt with in Iraq in the surge, your mistakes are coming back to haunt you and I think this time ISIS might have seen you coming

I think the message is very clear Tom, they will and can be attacked in Syria. For now that's enough of a first step, while making a case for more. We have history as a good guide that mass troop invasions by us is a short term short sighted temporary fix with a high price of blood and treasure we cannot afford that fixes nothing.

Its not just a war of bombs, planes, and troops, Tom, but more about getting the rest of the middle east on the same page on MANY fronts. Ignoring the regional politics, and policy, is rather foolish in the long term. While the congress of the US continues to dither on yet another vacation before an election. Let not forget that ISIL wasn't the ONLY target of these strikes in Syria. A global threat requires a global solution, not just American troops in ONE country.

the same people you were supposed to have dealt with in Iraq in the surge
and so we did until the emperor decided to pull defeat from the jaws of victory .


Let not forget that ISIL wasn't the ONLY target of these strikes in Syria.
besides the Islamic State and the civilians in Raqqa ,who else did we attack ? I could argue that we are supporting Assad in these attacks ;but unfortunately ,our taking out the Islamic State is imperative ;with or without our so called allies .

I'm very nervous about this as my son is in Kandahar right now and my sister lives in Dubai UAE.

ok just heard that the attacks were primarily against the Khorasan Group ;which is an AQ linked group that recruits westerners . James Clapper warned about them last week. We are also claiming to have inflicted casualties on the al-Nusra front ....which is another AQ off shoot almost as brutal as the Islamic state ;but also battles the Islamic State in Syria .

On another front they are trying to stop the flow of bootleg oil to Turkey and neutralize support for Assad in Syria from Iran, who is shaking in their boots over Obama's precision bombing in Syria.

I don't think Iran has anything to fear, they may be sponsors of some of these groups but they will help to stabilise Iraq. With so many good targets presenting, the US may as well get whoever they can get in their sights and not waste all that good intelligence, but there is a need not to telegraph the moves as may have been done

On another note terrorists are everywhere and we should not forget it, Melbourne police shot dead an IS sympathiser who threated the Prime Minister

You just keep thinking Iran is a stabilizing factor in the ME. They are not and have sponsored Assad in Syria, and Hezbollah for many years.

Iran-backed Hezbollah warns it may intervene in Syria war - World News (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/17997650-iran-backed-hezbollah-warns-it-may-intervene-in-syria-war?lite)

Try and keep up with the bad guys Clete.

You misunderstand me tal Iran doesn't want to engage in a war or have a war on its doorstep, and yes they may assist shiite groups, such as Hamas or Hezbollah. I see that no different than the US arming groups opposed to Assard, and your whinning as the pot calling the kettle black. There are proxy wars being carried on in the middle east. If Hezbollah gets more involved than it already is it might get its arse kicked in the frey. Bahrain has named them as a group that should be dealt with signalling a widening of the conflict, so the US would be wise to question the agendas of those who joined the coalition. The reality is stability in Syria is in everyone's interest even if it means Assard stays for a short time. The US needs to learn from its experience in Iraq, regime change doesn't mean better, just a different tyrant

There were terrorists in the world before we went to Iraq, and the middle east has been at war before your island got "civilized". You kill me when you whine so much what the US needs to learn, when you have so much to learn yourself. Doesn't matter who the government is. You have to deal with whatever government is there.

Now go sell China some more dirt to choke on.

and neutralize support for Assad in Syria from Iran, who is shaking in their boots over Obama's precision bombing in Syria.

nahh ,the emperor called Assad and asked his permission before the attacks . Even our arming the so called FSA will backfire if our goal is to use them as ground forces against the Islamic State . The FSA will instead turn their America arms on the Assad regime.
Iran and Russia's ally will have his a$$ pulled out of the fire by this . And while all this is happening ,the centrifuges still whirl away making the enriched uranium needed for the 12ers to join the nuclear club.

If Hezbollah gets more involved than it already is it might get its arse kicked in the frey.
it already is .... that is why they didn't harass Israel's northern border during the latest Hamas war.

so the US would be wise to question the agendas of those who joined the coalition.


indeed .


The US needs to learn from its experience in Iraq, regime change doesn't mean better, just a different tyrant

the lesson to learn is that you can't declare a war over ....the other side has a say in it too . the lesson to learn is that you withdraw before the job is over then ugly consequences occur .

Congress could always come back, and exercise its duty under the constitution, which they ran from when they were here. They have been running from this issue for two freakin' years now.

Forget your congress tal they are a spent force in this exercise, do you know what consensus means well I hear that it exists for this exercise, all someone has to do is shout and they aren't opposed to war.


There were terrorists in the world before we went to Iraq, and the middle east has been at war before your island got "civilized". You kill me when you whine so much what the US needs to learn, when you have so much to learn yourself. Doesn't matter who the government is. You have to deal with whatever government is there.

Now go sell China some more dirt to choke on.

Yes terrorists have existed for a long time with many masks, terrorists started WWI and the imperfect redistribution of power in the middle east set the scene for what we have today. You seem to think that just because we are new on the scene we shouldn't call you out on your meddling. The fact is we have populations who have been displaced by wars in the Middle East and they may want to start them up here, the lebanese have been a troublesome population ever since they have been here. "you have deal with wahteever government there is" your words, so stop trying to depose Assard and support stopping the war in Syria, not fueling it by supporting dissidents and terrorists. As to my island being "civilised" what civilisation there is is being eroded but it far more civilised than that haven of war mongering you call Washington. This is a peaceful place, not given to war, and we will trade with whom ever we chose without bothering to ask your permission

Congress could always come back, and exercise its duty under the constitution, which they ran from when they were here. They have been running from this issue for two freakin' years now

what is your obsession with Congress ? They did exactly what you guys dream they will do.....pass bills in support of the emperor without any debate . Did the Bush war appropriations ever get passed without debate and a whole bunch of quid pro quo pork added to them ?

Probably the same obsession you guys have with repealing the ACA, impeaching the prez, and investigating Benghazi. Then run from a debate and vote on war.

although it is not a requirement ,traditionally Presidents have gone before Congress to ask for a war declaration or resolution. Why doesn't the emperor ?

Why doesn't he call it a war ? Why does he go out of his way to make the false claim that he has AQ on the run when all the various groups he is bombing are AQ or offshoots ? Why is he abandoning the "war of necessity " ,after he already prematurely abandoned the "war of choice " ? Why is the nobel peace prize recipient suddenly going to modernize our nuclear arsenal when in the past he was for disarming ? Could it be that he is finally beginning to realize that he was just plain wrong about everything ?

Realities; Tom, Russia is resurgent, and AQ far from beaten, militant Islam has mutated into a virilent disease. A wise man changes tack when the wind shifts

we shot close to 50 Tomahawk cruise missiles since the air war has begun anew . The emperor's defense budget for next year calls for the purchase of 100 . Guess after we shoot our load in the Levant ,the emperor's arsenal will be "smart diplomacy " .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/09/23/tomahawk-missiles-the-latest-u-s-weapon-used-against-islamic-state/

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140304/DEFREG02/303040039/US-Navy-Budget-Takes-Bite-Out-Aircraft-Weapons

Tom you have to have a excuse to use up all that old ordinance, it helps the local economy and at last the F22 had some combat proving. Obama will be able to buy as many Tomahawks as he needs but they are a blunt instrument, more useful when you have a formal structure to target.. I like the pictures of the attack on the car park, a bit hit and miss, they should have used a Tomahawk with a tactical nuke, that would have got ISIS attention. It will be interesting to see if air strikes make any difference in the battle for Korbani

If you are going to have a spare aircraft carrier you should think of your allies

and at last the F22 had some combat proving it's a kick a$$ jet .Much better than the F35 boondoggle .


I like the pictures of the attack on the car park, a bit hit and miss, they should have used a Tomahawk with a tactical nuke, that would have got ISIS attention
I like the pix of one going through the 4th floor window of an empty building . (don't forget ;we warned them before the attack commenced ) .

What we are doing is what the Israelis call "mowing the lawn" .The emperor calls it "degrading ISIL" .I prefer the Scipio Aemilianus solution .

So you are in favour of boots on the ground hand to hand street fighting and bulldozing the city, my solution is simpler, the Japanese solution isn't used often enough but it converts a radical to a believer in peace very quickly

you mean as in General Curtis Lemay's solution ? One rains fire from the sky and did not accomplish his goals until nukes were used. The other salts the earth (or in General Sherman's case ;cuts a swath of destruction that takes years to repair ) . Mowing the lawn means you have to go back and fight another day. Nobody thinks that nukes are an option ,or that a conventional air campaign alone can accomplish a serious military mission.

Soften them up, while you rally the troops. Let the armchair generals holler. The real generals can recommend, but the CIC, gives the orders.

The CIC is a pu$$y, this group understands only one language, and to get the job done requires very strong measures, not this tell them I'm going to bomb them crap.

soften them up lol . We send million dollar Tomahawks to air burst over a cell tower so it won't destroy a building . They soften us up by decapitation with a rusty dull knife.

Like I said let the armchair generals holler.

Former Defense Secs Leon Panetta and Robert Gates ,Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Ray Odierno, the Army chief of staff and former top US commander in Iraq ,Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis, the former commander of CENTCOM......all armchair Generals who have taken public positions against the current strategery .

They are military generals and make MILITARY recommendations, and the prez makes decisions. Not the generals. They don't make policy, or political recommendations. YOU, ME, and Clete are armchair generals.

Yep and we recommend various policy settings and have about as much influence as anyone

At the risk of being thought alarmist there is something fundamentaly wrong with Islam when converts feel they have to demonstrate their religiousity in this manner

Oklahoma beheading: Fired US worker beheads colleague and stabs another before being shot - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-27/5773348)

There is a high proportion of muslims committing acts of violence, why? And gross violence, atrocities. What is it about this religion that incites it's followers, however few to behave in this manner? Is it a magnet for the deranged or a religion that contains such paradox that a deranged person is attracted to violence?
We are for freedom of religion but how long can we support that view with this in our midst. Should people be free to believe things that are fundamentally opposed to the safety of the community

I seriously doubt the proportion of bad Muslims is any higher than any other religion, if you can call insane behavior religious!

Oh it's religious all right the same religious zeal that existed at the beginning of Islam, the same religious zeal that brought you the crusades and the inquisition, the same zeal that brought you nazism

I seriously doubt the proportion of bad Muslims is any higher than any other religion, if you can call insane behavior religious!

Your kidding right ?

So you don't recognize bad Christians, just bad Muslims, who you claim are all Muslims? Yeah there are no extremist violent Christians. Are you serious?

I won't defend ANY loonies, Christian, Muslim, or Jews, or Atheists. Why are you picking and choosing based on religion? Clete is highly prejudiced, are you?

Should we also equate all school shooters with white men too? Or the Klan, or Aryan Nation?

what I don't see is armies of extremist Christians fighting for and occupying territory in the name of Christianity .

Of course you don't. When Klansman take off their hoods, they are mayors, sheriffs, cops, city councilmen, state reps, good old boys on ranches, shopkeepers, or lest we forget cult leaders, and preachers. They probably go to church every Sunday too!

You never could see your own loonies, just everybody else's. ISIL has a large swath of territory the size of Maryland, but just in the south in America, there are plenty of small rural towns the good old boys have had for centuries. They will serve you cheesy grits every morning, and drag your black a$$ down a dark country road at night.

You need to get out more.

you are stuck in the 50s

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I told you to get out more.

your moral equivalent mindset exposes you .it is as nonsensical as the emperor comparing the atrocities of the Islamic State with the death of a teen in Ferguson by a police officer . But even if I accepted even a smidgen of your logic ;has there been over 20,000 terror attacks by Christian groups in the last decade ?

Now you want a timeline of lunatic evil? It exists in every culture and religion tribe and nation. Overt, covert, what's the difference? Saying one is worse than another is what defies logic, and my point was you point a finger at others, and ignore/deny the four fingers pointing back at YOU. That's my logic.

Me, I acknowledge the lunatic evil exists everywhere, whether others deny it, or NOT! You pick a decade, like Christian loonies have gotten better. Quite the contrary.

Affter what you have just put forward I'm glad I live here

I just copy and pasted the facts Clete, but I submit to you the same point I made to Tom of your own fingerpointing. Rose colored glasses and selective hating doesn't change the fact of all humans everywhere have the same behaviors.

The Skinhead International: Australia (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/skins-australia.html)

Limits of freedom of speech in Australia (http://www.religioustolerance.org/auspeech.htm)

"The national Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission released a report in 2004 documenting increased levels of discrimination against Arabs and Muslims in Australia following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack in the US and the terrorist bombing in Bali in October 2002. Muslim women were particular targets of physical violence carried out by strangers. Such incidents included having dogs set upon them, attempts to run over them, being spat at, having things thrown at them from cars and having their hajibs [sic] pulled off. The victims of such attacks often fear leaving their homes."

"However, harassment and discrimination has also been directed at people mistaken as Muslims, such as Christian Arabs and Sikh men wearing turbans. In one case an Egyptian Christian woman was knocked to the ground and needed hospital treatment after a man threw stones at her from a passing car." 3

oh brother ! That's why we are doomed to lose this ideological war . You think we are no different .

Did you mean Christians and Muslim? No there is NO difference that I can see. Now if you mean good humans and bad ones, yes there is a huge difference.

Can you grasp that concept?

let me try and grasp the concept you put forward Tal you think we are the same as you are, but we are not our ethos is different, subtle though it may be there are differences which mean we see things in an entirely different way. You think that muslims should be welcome in our society, but the only real race riots we have had here are when muslims rioted. The muslim populations we have here are the result of accepting refugees from the middle east and Afghanistan and some of the push factors have been american through their interventions there. They are not the result of our invasions of those places, so yes we have a view of what is happening that is different to you. What it means is we have to deal with the troubled edge of a displaced muslim society

Is there a difference between a society based on Christian values and one based on muslim values? There very obviously is, the muslim would let you got to hell in a hand cart and give you a push to help you on your way, the Christian would try to prevent that from happening. Christians are not immune to the stresses that the current situation places us in but muslims have taken a course to make themselves obvious and there is a consequence of an "in your face" attitude

I didn't think you would get it Clete, but you have make the predictable excuses not to understand. Different ethos? Really? Your hate isn't from fear but false superiority. You don't want to factor the similarities, because the thought of being like "them" blows your whole mind. Too bad, you could use the freedom of not proving yourself right, by making "them" wrong. Probably easier for you to just hate.

That's lazy as hell though.

I didn't think you would get it Clete, but you have make the predictable excuses not to understand. Different ethos? Really? Your hate isn't from fear but false superiority. You don't want to factor the similarities, because the thought of being like "them" blows your whole mind. Too bad, you could use the freedom of not proving yourself right, by making "them" wrong. Probably easier for you to just hate.

That's lazy as hell though.

You really don't get it Tal, we are all people but with different aspirations. You want to impose upon me your ethos, but if you look at my nation we have a much more inclusive society than your own. You claim to be inclusive but you have serious divisions so you can't preach to me until you fix the serious divisions and hatreds within your own society. I believe that various peoples belong in their own society because they have developed in a particular way, we can interact but it is better we don't live together. I have taken a look around this world, I have found much of this looks the same but it is a mistake to think it is the same, that the same motivations drive the people.

you have to excuse him .Islam fulfills a stereotype of what religion is in the progressive mindset .Therefore in their moral equivalent minds ,there is no significant difference.

you have to excuse him .Islam fulfills a stereotype of what religion is in the progressive mindset .Therefore in their moral equivalent minds ,there is no significant difference.

Yes Tom it is easy for people to become marginalised in religion if their conviction isn't strong, for me Muslims represent a group of people who are deceived and follow a works program trying to balance good and evil, in such a scenario evil often wins. There are parts of christianity who also have that mindset even though that is not what it is about

The idea that the government can cure all ills is falacious but they should not be making things worse

Can we agree that the church as government is a bunch of BS?

yes we can

No one wants a government regulated by a religion least of all a legalistic religion

I just wonder if the West is really willing to make the sacrifices necessary to win a war against an enemy that is firmly committed to their peculiar ideology . Last reports I read were that there was over 30,000 Islamic State fighters on the ground who in their view are a virtuous band of brothers recreating the caliphates of Baghdad ,and ultimately Cordoba . What are we fighting for ?..to preserve the model of the Sykes-Picot Agreement ? At least President GW Bush had a vision of a 3rd way alternative path to reform ,opposed to the options being offered to the ummah ;oppressive monarchy or Jihadistan. (our Muslim allies in this conflict represent the Monarchies and by extension the model we are defending ) If the Salafi-Takfiris model ,or the alternative Persian Shia model becomes the only option for the muslim world to embrace then we are looking at some real tough existential choices of our own.... ones that our current leadership isn't up to.

Yes we will sacrifice the last saudi, the last Iraqi and the last turk

if we could be assured that they would limit it to their space then I say it is their struggle.
unfortunately they have eyes on a bigger prize.

Every tyrannt in history has his eyes on a bigger prize, it's the methodoly, we don't like murder as a tool, we don't like genocide. As far as I'm concerned the Muslims can play in their own sand patch as long as the games they play don't include wholesale murder and mayhem

I see the americans are kowtowing to the muslims again, being forced to apologise for telling the truth after creating alarm in the muslim world. what would the world be if you couldn't sponsor terrorists (freedom fighters)

Joe Biden apologizes to Turkey. UAE - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/05/politics/isis-biden-erdogan-apology/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

He also conveniently ignored the US role in supplying the so called FSA out of Libya .

Well of course he did