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Seheroza96
Aug 20, 2014, 03:44 PM
I'm 18 year old. I indulged in non penetrative sex a week ago. His penis did not completely enter my vagina nor did he ejaculate. However just for precaution I took an ipill (ECP) within four hours of the activity. What are the chances of me being pregnant?
DoulaLC
Aug 20, 2014, 03:56 PM
It's possible, but chances are low. Just remember that it is best to never let any part of his penis inside you for any length of time without a condom. Many people make the mistake of having some penetration and then removing to put a condom on before ejaculation. I know this was not your situation, but for future reference.
Ideally, if you plan to continue to engage in sex, you should consider a regular form of birth control in addition to his use of a condom.
Fr_Chuck
Aug 20, 2014, 08:31 PM
A few percent. But you know, if the lottery gave me a 1 percent chance of winning, I would buy a lot of tickets.
So it is possible, that you can be the one, who it happens to. That is the issue with percents, it means it happens.
The Ipill may alter your period for one or two months ( or it may not) but the Ipill has many possible side effects.
So if you miss your next period, wait two week and then test.
Seheroza96
Aug 20, 2014, 09:35 PM
This also happened only 3-4 days after my menstrual cycle so I was also quite infertile. It's been 11 days since the activity and I bled 2-3 days ago. I'm pretty sure it's withdrawal bleeding of the pill and not implantation bleeding. So despite of hardly any penetration, no ejaculation and the date given it happened. Plus the ipill that I took within 4 hours of the activity, there is still a chance I could be pregnant?
DoulaLC
Aug 21, 2014, 02:38 AM
Yes, a low chance. This may have happened only a few days after your period, but remember that some sperm can live for several days in the days before ovulation. So even though you may not have ovulated 3-4 days after your period, although it can happen depending on your cycle, some sperm may still be there if you ovulated several days later.
Odds are lower simply because there was no ejaculation, likely the timing, and that you used the ipill soon after, but none of those will rule out the possibility of pregnancy completely, it is just not likely.
ScottGem
Aug 21, 2014, 05:03 AM
Any time there is penile insertion, even a little, there is the risk of pregnancy. The risks can be minimized, but not eliminated. So, while the possibility is very small, it still exists and you will have to wait until your next period is due to know for sure.
smoothy
Aug 21, 2014, 05:17 AM
I'm 18 year old. I indulged in non penetrative sex a week ago. His penis did not completely enter my vagina nor did he ejaculate. However just for precaution I took an ipill (ECP) within four hours of the activity. What are the chances of me being pregnant?
You are aware those two highlighted phrases you made are COMPLETELY contradictory.
Penitration is still peniration. Have you ever heard of anyone being just a little bit pregnant, or just a little bit dead before?
And as was pointed out he don't have to ejaculate... he doesn't even have to enter you a little bit... contact is all that is needed to transfer the sperm to your vagina... then its up to them to make the rest of the journey. And the ipill isn't a precaution... birth control is a precaution... the ipill if for people that were stupid, had a condom failure, or were raped... its not a substitute for birth control... and its not 100% effective either.
And as was pointed out... try explaining the odds to the family of the person who was inside their own house when a meteorite fell through their roof hitting them in the head killing them. Million to one? Billion to one? Lot of good the longshot was to them. What happens, happens... if you don't take any measures to reduce the chances then you have no one to blame but yourself.
Birth control used or not... there is always a chance... what differs the what the odds are. So until you are ready to become a parent... then you better not be having sex because it happens far more often and far more easily sometimes than you think.
I know two people on this site that have gotten pregnant while using THREE forms of actual birth control correctly... one of them more than once.
THeir odds were significantly lower than yours using only an ipill are. Food for thought.
Seheroza96
Aug 21, 2014, 03:32 PM
I'm sorry if my previous statement has been misleading. By "not completely enter my vagina" I meant it did not really enter my vagina but just rubbed against the outer lips. That too for a brief few seconds. We stopped immediately. And before you go around making judgements calling people "stupid" for not using condoms or being on birth control. Neither of us saw it coming and we stopped the second we felt our genitals coming in contact. Also are the people you know who did get pregnant using birth control in the very same situation as me not ejaculate? Or not have any insertions? And lastly, taking an ipill is a god damn precaution from an abortion. And yes I'm aware I shouldn't be using it frequently, this is the first time ever and I don't intend to use it ahead. If I didn't realise the gravity of the situation, I wouldn't be going through the effort of even discussing it.
ScottGem
Aug 21, 2014, 04:20 PM
Neither of us saw it coming and we stopped the second we felt our genitals coming in contact.
I'm not sure if you understand how inane that sounds. Clearly you were both undressed at this point. You should have seen it coming the moment you took your pants off at the same time.
smoothy
Aug 21, 2014, 07:22 PM
I'm sorry if my previous statement has been misleading. By "not completely enter my vagina" I meant it did not really enter my vagina but just rubbed against the outer lips. That too for a brief few seconds. We stopped immediately. And before you go around making judgements calling people "stupid" for not using condoms or being on birth control. Neither of us saw it coming and we stopped the second we felt our genitals coming in contact. Also are the people you know who did get pregnant using birth control in the very same situation as me not ejaculate? Or not have any insertions? And lastly, taking an ipill is a god damn precaution from an abortion. And yes I'm aware I shouldn't be using it frequently, this is the first time ever and I don't intend to use it ahead. If I didn't realise the gravity of the situation, I wouldn't be going through the effort of even discussing it.
Cripes... do you think we were born yesterday? You both saw it coming... you BOTH undressed...you both did this KNOWING you were going to do it. Its clear you have practically NO concept of what birth control is or isn't. The iPill is NOT a damned good precaution... its not even 100% effective, though I bet you think it is.
CONTACT is all that's needed... two people that don't have a clue as to what they are doing (obvious in this case) ARE going to do a lot of stupid stuff that can very likely lead to a pregnancy. There isn't a minimum time limit required. In fact you CAN get pregnant by either of you touching him when excited and then touching your genitals. Statistics mean nothing, if there is any chance of it happening...it WILL to someone.
YOU are the one that's passing judgements here... your experience on this topic is what exactly? Not much that's for certain... I have oh... only 39 years ACTUAL, not theoretical experience on this topic. I'd say that trumps the few seconds or minutes you have.
Now you can climb down off your soapbox and listen to us... or you can find yourself pregnant because you think you have all the answers.
If you want to play adult games... expect to pay adult prices and expect to be treated as an adult that should know better. Now do you want to listen to people who actually know a LOT about this or do you want to argue with them some more?
Having a child is a very serious event...one that changes your life immediately and forever.
J_9
Aug 21, 2014, 07:45 PM
Neither of us saw it coming and we stopped the second we felt our genitals coming in contact. Also are the people you know who did get pregnant using birth control in the very same situation as me not ejaculate? Or not have any insertions? And lastly, taking an ipill is a god damn precaution from an abortion. And yes I'm aware I shouldn't be using it frequently, this is the first time ever and I don't intend to use it ahead. If I didn't realise the gravity of the situation, I wouldn't be going through the effort of even discussing it.
You saw it coming the moment you took your pants off.
I got pregnant not once, but twice, using the birth control pill, a condom and spermicide. And yes, I used them all correctly. Luckily I was already married at the time both of those babies were conceived. I was also deemed infertile due to chemotherapy drugs over 16 years ago. My youngest son is now 12. Do the math. So, yes, stranger things do happen. If you aren't prepared to be a parent, stop playing such games.
Seheroza96
Aug 22, 2014, 02:52 AM
Well, umm I got my period. Not pregnant. Guess the statistics were in my favour, so yeah. Thanks anyway
Ps: I realise it's only 95% effective because I went to my gynaecologist the next day and discussed everything with him. So everything I said was what he told me, to not worry and be careful the next time.
Well I'm not pregnant. Got my period, but this is out of curiosity... When you say you used condom "correctly" you mean that it wasn't torn or had any holes through out the sexual activity. And when you checked it even after the intercourse, it still was intact, and you still
Got pregnant?
DoulaLC
Aug 22, 2014, 03:14 AM
One of the biggest mistakes couples do when using condoms is to have some penetration for a short time, then the guy removes his penis to put a condom on when he feels he is getting close to ejaculation, then he re-enters to finish. Some will also ejaculate with the condom on, then after ejaculation, wipe off his penis and re-enter thinking since he already ejaculated it is safe. Some will have a second ejaculation with the same condom on. There can be no penetration, before, during or after, without a condom on and only one ejaculation per condom. Even then they are not 100% percent due to other causes, such as small holes that go unnoticed.
When your doctor said not to worry, he was going by the odds, which would be quite high in you favour, but as was said, unless something is 100% effective. It will happen to a small percentage and the point was, you could have been in that small percentage.
About being being careful next time... remember that you have the control over how far things will go. If you aren't ready for the possibility of an unplanned pregnancy, avoid situations well before the two of you could end up taking things further than expected. If you haven't already, now would be a good time to talk with your partner about the limits you want... and keep in mind that it can be easy to get caught up in what feels good if you get that close again.
CravenMorhead
Aug 22, 2014, 06:33 AM
The list or errors or problems with condoms are long. One is using old condoms, the latex will degrade so something might get through. Staying inserted after ejaculation can cause sperm to leak out around the base of the condom and onto your Vulva. Men over estimating their size and getting the "REALLY BIG BECAUSE YOU'RE INSECURE OF YOUR SIZE" size of condoms so they don't fit right, or just getting condoms that don't fit right. Using the wrong lube with condoms can cause the latex to quickly degrade and allow semen through. Masturbating a little and then fingering the woman and then putting on a condom or any combination of getting preejaculate on his hand and contaminating the condom or your gentials with it. Don't put the condom on properly and it falls off inside. One that did once, was try to put it on in the dark and realize that you have it backwards and turn it around. It has a spermicidal lube so I wasn't too conderned but if the condom didn't have that than it could have deposited sperm on the tip that will come in contact with your lady bits. You can honestly come up with a hundred different ways of slight misuse that could cause failure.
Another thing. I know you have a boyfriend and you love and trust him but why the heck is HE in charge of not getting YOU pregnant? You need to be proactive if you're not wanting to get pregnant. Don't let his penis near you without a condom, it isn't a matter of trust that he will it is a requirement for you to be anywhere near him. If you're just going on faith that the next time he splits your lotus with his sword that it will be sheathed than you have absolutely NO guarantee that it will be. I don't care if it will spoil the moment, or ruin the encounter it is up to you. With that being said it can be part of foreplay, you put on the condom all sexy like. There are many ways to incorporate it into your session so that it isn't this awkward aside to the main event.
smoothy
Aug 22, 2014, 06:55 AM
Also something I didn't see anyone point out... that is true MOST times... you might feel you love him, and he might claim to as well, but the overwhelming fact is and this is so overwelmingly true to be considered a universal truth... a young guy will say or do amost anything to get in a girls pants. ANYTHING. Guys don't think the same way girls think and that's how so many women end up being single mothers with the father nowhere around.
Most women associate sex with love. A guy doesn't... they are separate issues to him... all a guy needs to do is find something reasonable attractive to him at the moment for him to be able to have sex with her... love isn't a part of it.
Many guys when an unexpected pregnancy happns with deny it right away... a few might try to stick around for a while... but a lot more will simply take off leaving you alone to deal with everything on your own.
And that's why YOU should really, REALLY care and make sure you are fully protected as much as you can possibly be before allowing him near you. And never without a condom because he could have Herpes or HPV, (neither have a cure and HPV can lead to cervical cancer) , 28% of people your age already have HPV... look around you, 1 out of every 4 people you know has it, some aren't even aware they have it.
Seheroza96
Aug 25, 2014, 03:59 PM
Okay so well, I did In fact decide to get all the information I can. And I went to my gynaecologist and discussed everything everybody said you know. The using three birth control methods and getting pregnant and you know chances of getting pregnant even if there was no ejaculation and just touching of the genitals for a few seconds. Well he said that most people overestimate the efficiency of the reproduction process. Also he asked me to visit this site, I want to share. The Myth of Pre-Ejaculate or Pre- | Pink Pleasure Place (http://www.pinkpleasureplace.com/birth-control/the-myth-of-pre-ejaculate-or-precum)
So, I went through a lot of pressure and so many sleepless night because of everything discussed here. And it got me thinking. Now I'm curious, so since you guys say touching of genitals can get girls pregnant without any ejaculation. I want to know how and sources from where you say that. I'm just curious. And I don't really count personal experiences as sources, I'd appreciate concrete evidence. Thank you :)
odinn7
Aug 25, 2014, 04:16 PM
You came to a free site, asking strangers for information, and then you want to hold them to specifics and full-on fact. Everyone gave you information that they know or believe in one way or another. You did what you needed to do by going somewhere and asking a doctor face to face. Nobody here said you WOULD get pregnant, just that you COULD get pregnant. You wanted to know what chance there was that you were pregnant. You were told chances were pretty low but it COULD happen. So how much more did you really want? I doubt that anyone is going to be able to give you charts or pictures or video or anything that could possibly be considered concrete evidence.
Seheroza96
Aug 25, 2014, 04:23 PM
Well the fact that somebody here is telling me that "contact is all that is needed to get pregnant" is a little disturbing. And that's exactly my point. Why do you say I COULD get pregnant when not a single study in the world is definitive about that if I could or not with pre . I just think saying,"we're not sure if pre can get you pregnant or not" is better than saying "you know nothing about birth control, only touching of genitals can get you pregnant. I know because I have experience". I came to this site for reassurance, I just feel there are another thousand here coming for the same: If the information people are giving out with so much confidence is not supported by any facts or figure, the least they can do is refrain from scaring the hell out of people.
Alty
Aug 25, 2014, 04:24 PM
Sperm can travel. Pre-ejaculate does contain sperm, and all it takes is one. Sources? The list is endless. I can give you the names of three friends, personally, that got pregnant using birth control, 3 or more forms, some more than once.
I can give you the name of one friend that had one ovary, PCOS, was on the pill, they used a condom, her doctor had told her she'd never have a child, she was deemed infertile. She has 3, the last conceived while using the pill (correctly), a condom (correctly), she has PCOS, and one ovary! After that she had her tubes tied, and he had a vasectomy.
I have another friend who had her tubes tied in her late 40's was told she had gone through menopause (no period in 5 years), and she got pregnant.
Does it happen all the time? No. Does it happen sometimes? Yes. Any time you have sex, pregnancy is possible. That's a fact. The virgin birth of the bible is not at all amazing. There are many girls that are playing the same grownup games you played, no actual penetration, and they got pregnant. Some of them even post online. So if you want "concrete evidence" from the internet (which is useless) than look it up, continue your research. I don't trust the links I find online, I won't even look at the one you posted because I know the facts, and the facts are what you've been told here. If you don't believe those facts, then do your own research, believe what you believe, and if you do get pregnant because you continue these naked games with your boyfriend, don't come crying to us, because we told you so.
Good luck. :)
odinn7
Aug 25, 2014, 04:30 PM
Well the fact that somebody here is telling me that "contact is all that is needed to get pregnant" is a little disturbing. And that's exactly my point. Why do you say I COULD get pregnant when not a single study in the world is definitive about that if I could or not with pre . I just think saying,"we're not sure if pre can get you pregnant or not" is better than saying "you know nothing about birth control, only touching of genitals can get you pregnant. I know because I have experience". I came to this site for reassurance, I just feel there are another thousand here coming for the same: If the information people are giving out with so much confidence is not supported by any facts or figure, the least they can do is refrain from scaring the hell out of people.
Not a single study is definitive that you couldn't get pregnant either so it works both ways.
I agree that sometimes things are "dramatized" (for lack of a better word) but it is better to make people think and be more careful than to say, "sure, mess around when you know nothing at all because the world needs more unwanted babies!"
But essentially, it all comes down to this- Nobody here is paid to be here or answer questions, everyone volunteers. You don't pay to use the site. Just like anywhere else on the internet, you take your chances with the information given to you. What you decide to do with it from there is up to you.
Seheroza96
Aug 25, 2014, 04:41 PM
I don't mean to blame anybody or criticise them. Actually I do mean to criticise one or two opinions. But that's really not the point. As far the minimal studies conducted on pre-ejacualtion. It states that the sperm does exist but it is too 'immobile' or 'little' in number to actually cause a pregnancy.
As per as the reliability of websites is concerned,this one was suggested by a gynaecologist and hence I wasn't going to ignore it. Plus is also researched scholarly websites like Stanford medical and American pregnancy association which support what the website I posted said.
All I'm saying is, before just shushing somebody off saying they "know nothing about birth control" and "statistics don't matter". Actually honestly informing the teenager about the fact that there is no evidence of either or, makes more sense.
I appreciate the initiative everybody is taking, but in terms of sex education being such a significant and sensitive issue for teenagers specifically, personal experiences shouldn't be used as facts as more often than not there are several missed out parameters.
They way a few people "dramatized" things. Calling me 'stupid' and 'and not aware of facts'. I lost nights of sleep worrying about me getting pregnant to the point I spend hours on end researching not only online but from my college Counseler, gynaecologist and physicians.
Saying," we aren't sure, so just to be safe.. Use protection and don't risk it" works too. Instead of saying " hey! You might get pregnant, cause I happen to know too many unlucky people who did."
Just don't scare people to this point.
Alty
Aug 25, 2014, 05:01 PM
I should mention, at this point, that one of the people that posted on your thread, answered your question, was deemed infertile because of chemo, got pregnant before that using protection, is an OB nurse. She delivers babies for a living! She has the education to answer your question, which she did!
As for the advice given to you. We go by facts. Fact is, there is sperm in pre, and all it takes is one sperm for a pregnancy to happen. So your research showing the sperm in pre is too little in number, means nothing. Just one gets the job done. Does it happen often? No. Does it happen? Yes. We can't determine if you'll be lucky or unlucky.
There is no birth control on the market that's 100% effective. The only form of birth control that's effective is complete abstinence (no naked games with anyone even if there's no penetration), or a complete hysterectomy which removes all reproductive organs. Anything else is playing Russian roulette.
Sex education isn't our job. It's not our job to teach teens about sex, about pregnancy. Heck, if you really want to get down to it, it's not our job to do anything on this site. We all volunteer here for free! But we pride ourselves on giving accurate information, and that's what you got. You asked, we answered, and we gave you the facts.
I do agree that no one should call anyone stupid. That's not helpful, and it shouldn't happen. That's why we have the report button, and if someone says something like that to you, you really should report the post so it can be removed. Name calling is not helpful, and isn't allowed on this site. But the moderators can't monitor every thread and every post. It's up to everyone that posts to report the posts that go against the rules, and name calling is against the rules.
Personal experience should be used as facts, especially when it comes to something like pregnancy. Would you rather we say "okay, he only penetrated a little, you used the morning after pill, research online says you're probably not pregnant so you're okay, for sure, no way you're pregnant", and then, when some unlucky person comes back and says "You said I wasn't pregnant! No way it could happen! I am pregnant! You lied", we say "Oops, the odds were in your favor, but I guess you didn't get lucky. Sucks to be you"? How is that helpful?
We don't post to scare people, but kiddo, the truth is often scary. If you want to play adult games, but aren't ready for the consequences, expect to hear the truth! If that makes you lose a few nights of sleep worrying, so be it! We're not going to sugar coat it, or lie to you, just to make you feel better! You came here asking a question, and we answered it. If you can't handle the truth, talk to your friends, they'll tell you what you want to hear.
I just re-read what I wrote, and even though I don't mean to be harsh, I can see that it may come off that way. That's not my intention. Sadly the written word leaves a lot to be desired. So, if it came off as harsh, I apologize. I'm trying to tell you why you got the advice you did, and why, even though it scared you, it was the only advice we could give.
You seem like a smart kid, so I hope you read what I wrote, read it more than once, and understand what I'm saying, and that it's not meant to bring you down. I'm doing my best to explain why you got the answers you did, and I think, based on your posts, that you're smart enough to understand. :)
Cat1864
Aug 25, 2014, 05:08 PM
What that article fails to mention is that one reason pre-ejaculate can contain sperm is because the valve that is supposed to stay closed until ejaculation can be weak and leak. Guess where the leaked sperm go? It also does not take into account when the male last ejaculated. If he got off earlier in the day, or even the day before, then there is a greater chance of left-over sperm being in the tubes when pre-ejaculate is released.
Contact may not be enough but usually contact isn't all there is. You changed your story from slight penetration to no penetration. I don't know which is closer to the truth, but I do know if you continue to play games, things will go farther than you are planning. Get upset if you want at people trying to keep you from messing up, however, please take care to make the chances of pregnancy as small as possible.
ScottGem
Aug 25, 2014, 05:19 PM
I'm 18 year old. I indulged in non penetrative sex a week ago. His penis did not completely enter my vagina nor did he ejaculate. However just for precaution I took an ipill (ECP) within four hours of the activity. What are the chances of me being pregnant?
Lets look at your original question again. "non penetrative sex...did not completely enter". This is contradictory. The latter point implies that the head of his penis was inside your vagina. If only a little. "nor did he ejaculate", are you sure? I'm sure he's not going to tell you he did, whether he did or not. "What are the chances of me being pregnant?" That was the crux of your question and it was answered rather accurately. The answer was that the chances are very slight, but not impossible. And, if you properly read the studies you will see they say the same. There are factors that might help the sperm in pre to travel.
So the bottom line is that we could not and cannot tell you, in good conscience, that you are definitely not pregnant. We could and did minimize the possibility. We can't examine you, we weren't there doing the sexual encounter. So we can't tell you what you wanted to hear. Your gynecologist did examine you. He talked with you to get full details. So he was more willing to certify that you aren't pregnant.
If you think we should have done anything different then you are wrong.
Cat1864
Aug 25, 2014, 07:00 PM
Since the question has been answered, this thread is now closed.