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paraclete
Aug 13, 2014, 09:42 PM
A phrase that conjures up the ideal that the police can be trusted. But can they? It seems this is an open question in a more and more clouded environment

How did the riots start, did the police precipitate the situation?

Ferguson: Journalists Ryan J Reilly, Wesley Lowery arrested as 'warrior-cops' stalk streets | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/world/ferguson-journalists-ryan-j-reilly-wesley-lowery-arrested-as-warriorcops-stalk-streets/story-fndir2ev-1227024317404)

How does this fit in with the philosophy of not doing stupid stuff?

cdad
Aug 14, 2014, 04:23 AM
This is no surprise that we have fallen off a cliff. The police actively seek out ex military. They have a quick to shoot against the enemy attitude. Combine that with the military hardware and it is just a change of scene for them. The "enemy" attitude exists. They want to kill as that is what they have been trained to do.

smoothy
Aug 14, 2014, 04:57 AM
What you are not hearing on most of the news is that the officer in question has gotten medical treatment after that event for what clearly resulted in a swollen face. Basically clear evidence he was assulted by the supposed "innocent" person. Funny how a certain element can be seen walking out of a store being looted carrying stuff they clearly didn't buy... and they will be proclaiming innocence and how they had the god given right to steal other peoples stuff.

Also... when was the last time anyone saw the White community rioting like these degenerates, the Asian community, the Hispanic Community?

Not to mention the lefty media is talking about "protestors" ...sorry but they stop being protestors and become rioters the moment they start with the violence. And as rioters they should all be shot, not with rubber bullets or beanbags..shot with live , very real ammunition.

paraclete
Aug 14, 2014, 05:37 AM
Let's try to separate one incident from another shall we. These incidents escalate as soon as the police show up in force with tactical gear. The use of Swat, etc has escalated alarmingly.

Now you might consider some of your citizens degenerates and you might be right, but you can't prove that without due process and that doesn't come at the end of a gun. The number of looters is usually small and the number of angry people large because the solution is to kill the black guy, rubber bullets do a great job, gives the offender the opportunity to think about it. They could taser the lot of them but that solution hasn't occurred to them, they could use fire hoses and water cannon

smoothy
Aug 14, 2014, 05:43 AM
WHy taser them.. shoot them. Due process doesn't apply during the riot, or when they are coming out of the store at 3am.

If I lived there and they were smashing MY car or MY house... they would get shot on the spot... THAT is the due process they deserve.

THey should be at home... OFF the streets NOT causeing trouble.

NeedKarma
Aug 14, 2014, 05:57 AM
Yes smoothy, your hatred of blacks has been noted repeatedly.

smoothy
Aug 14, 2014, 06:01 AM
So you claim...


Which shows how little you know... there are blacks and then there are *******. And even the blacks that are respected members of society and respect the laws and peoples property don't even like them. And there are similar elements in every ethnic group....and its no different for them either.

NeedKarma
Aug 14, 2014, 06:13 AM
there are blacks and then there are *******.What's the asterisks?

smoothy
Aug 14, 2014, 06:21 AM
There are a number of words that can fit in there I could just as easily put (fill in the blank)... many of them used by the black community themselves about that same element.

mogrann
Aug 14, 2014, 06:29 AM
Smoothy so are you saying the cops are ALWAYS in the right and the black community are always the racial slur that you used? You do realize that is black and white thinking and nothing in this world is like that. Cops make mistakes, there are bad cops and guess what there are also black cops. How does that fit in with your racism? See you support cops no matter what but have a dislike for blacks... hmmmm that does not seem like it balances out.
What I have discovered is:
There are good cops
There are bad cops
There are good people from every race
There are bad people from every race

People have the right to peacefully protest.
News people have the right to report the news without them being attacked
People have the right to not live in fear of the people who are supposed to protect them
People have the right to not be fearful of their dogs being shot by cops on their property
People have the right to live in their own home as they wish as long as they don't break laws

Lastly for those against protesting. What would North America be like without Martin Luther King protesting? What would the world be like without the civil war fighting against slavery and the underground railroad?

smoothy
Aug 14, 2014, 06:47 AM
mogrann... I don't know the ethnic mix where you live... but the black majority counties around here are where the MAJORITY of crime takes place... its not where the majority of police issues take place. Same with the Black majority wards of Washington DC (wards are how the city is divided up) All the worst crime is in the black majority wards.

Sorry but I totally dissagree with much of your post... You aren't protesting when you are committing violence... the people in fear of the police are the people that are breaking the law with great regularity... if you have an aggressive dog... expect it to be shot... there is no excuse for having , training or breeding aggressive dogs. Dogs get out, agressive dongs that get out are dangerous to the neighbors. At one time I HAD neighbors that had two pitbulls....they had a fence, they still got out....when two of us threatened to shoot them if they so much as growed at us when they got out they took the dogs and moved.

And we both would have done it too. YOu would not want to get caught breaking into a house where I live....most of my neighbors have guns and wouldn't shoot an intruder to wound them, they would make sure they never got up again. Ilive in a right to carry state where its legal to open carry without a liscense, and they HAVE to issue a concealed carry permit if you have a clean background and apply for one. Not surprising we have a very low crime rate compared to Washington DC and Maryland both despite being so close.

And sorry, no you don't have the right to live in your own home as you wish if you are causeing problems for those around you... sorry, but if you wish to do that... you can move far out in the country when you have no neighbors close enough to bother.

The cop in this case was assaulted by the person that he later shot... he got medical treatment for it... but you aren't seeing that on most of the news... just like the Treyvon martin case.. the media is twisting this around into something that never was... to suit an angenda.

If you actually believe most of what you see on the news is accurate or even correct... you are saddly mistaken... the so called "NEWS" is heavily biased by the editors decision what they want people to hear... and that often is not what actually happened. I've got 30 years of seeing how the news is slanted and twisted in more than one country to assume anything you see is exactly what happened. There is no country on earth where there is a journalists code or law that requires them to tell everything as it really happened. Yes I've had direct access to quite a few events, as in hundreds if not thousands over that time that I have later seen reported incorrectly or completely wrong.

I see you bopught into that revisionist history version of what the Civil war was about... sorry, but that's not what it was really about. I've lived in the "South" long enough to know both sides of what happened there....even though I was born as a "Yankee" my adult life has been well south of the Mason Dixon Line.

talaniman
Aug 14, 2014, 06:47 AM
Smoothy sees nothing wrong with executing a black guy for walking down the street in his own neighborhood.

smoothy
Aug 14, 2014, 06:52 AM
When he assulats a cop.. then gets shot while fleeing... which IS the case here then he deserves shot. The liberal media has been twisting this story more and more by the day...

paraclete
Aug 14, 2014, 07:52 AM
Let's face it smoothy, if this wasn't this fear that everyone has a gun then wouldn't be the need to do so much shooting, you have the right to bare arms or arm barrs, I think you have done the latter

smoothy
Aug 14, 2014, 08:04 AM
The only people here that fear people legally owning guns are criminals and liberals. And maybe certain members of the Police (but not all of them) and the Government.

I own a bunch of them. And in the entire time I've owned them....they never came to life and hurt anyone.

Though one of them has without a doubt been used to kill an unknown number of people well before the time I was born. Otherwise it somehow managed to make it through the 1920's in Europe and WW2 without being used for its intended purpose.

An 8mm Yugoslav manufactured Mauser.

tomder55
Aug 14, 2014, 08:13 AM
These incidents escalate as soon as the police show up in force with tactical gear. The use of Swat, etc has escalated alarmingly.

correction .... they escalate when jerks like al Sharpton show up to throw gasoline on the fire.

Catsmine
Aug 14, 2014, 08:53 AM
they escalate when jerks like al Sharpton show up


The Swat people were pretty much out of control before the Reverend of Racism showed up this time. Arresting reporters and elected officials is not normally what is referred to as "under control."

Reporters arrested in Ferguson - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/08/reporters-arrested-in-ferguson-193914.html)

Alderman, Citizen-Journalist Ordered Out of His Car, Then Arrested by Ferguson Police Because He 'Didn't Listen,' Wife Says | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/14/alderman-citizen-journalist-ordered-out-of-his-car-then-arrested-by-ferguson-police-because-he-didnt-listen-wife-says/)

mogrann
Aug 14, 2014, 03:19 PM
Smoothy I suggest you start educating yourself on cops shooting dogs.. It is not dogs that are "aggressive". It is cops seeing a dog approach them when they are on the dogs property and then shoot first. Many a dog has been shot and killed for no reason.
To also brag on here that you threatened to shoot and kill a dog "pit bull" well that angers me. If the dogs were that aggressive whey did you not call animal control to have a behaviour study done? I think you dislike pit bulls which means you probably dislike Owen as he is a bully breed. I am bitting my tongue right now as I battle against BSL and hatred of pit bulls. I have no gun but if someone shot Owen for growling I would F"n rip your throat out.

Take a look at this page for all of the bad cops that have shot dogs
https://www.facebook.com/Mr.PolicemanDontShootMyDog

paraclete
Aug 14, 2014, 03:24 PM
So we have gone from shooting people to shooting dogs, just shows how the issues get blurred. I agree with smoothy I would be supicious of all pit bulls, just like certain people they don't back off in the face of authority, but there are alternatives to shooting and police forces can use those alternatives, but then I expect backwoods police forces aren't equipped

smoothy
Aug 14, 2014, 04:03 PM
mogrann, I'm 53, and have personally known a fair number of cops my entire life many of them I considered friends. A dogs owner is under obligation to restrain their dogs when told... dogs do not have rights that exceed those of Police, firemen or anyone else. THey have the right to do it if a dog even appears to be coming after them... and that is a result of too many officials being bitten by dogs over far too many years. And I have been attacked by a German shepard before many, many years ago... that dog was put down by its owner before the sun ever came up.

Well, I really don't care if that angers you (but its NOT meant to be personal).. the fact that dog was loose unleased is a violation of the law to begin with, a 90+ pound pit bull that growls at people makes it worse... the fact it was on MY property makes it that much worse... that neighbor was an openly hostile person to begin with, and if he entered my house threatening me I'd have shoot him to death too, yes we can do that here too. See I don't live in Canada where nobody really has any rights and everyone has to bow to the criminals and the animals they use to threaten others. Look at the statitics of most of the people who picks that breed above all others... you don't see them with toy poodles for example.

No not all pitbulls are born bad....but if they are raised to be that way....it doesn't matter. I've known two others that were quite docile and friendly....those didn't growl at people.

I've had dogs much of my life... in fact I prefer dogs to cats any day, I like well trained dogs, and it's a very rare case where a dog growls at me so I take it seriously as an act of aggression by it when it does happen. The line is crossed when they fail to keep their dogs in their own yard. Anything that happens when they don't.. is on them. I don't have wait for someone to get mauled, on my property all I had to feel was threatened. Neither would the other neighbor who threatened the same thing... he had a wife, two children and another smaller dog. And I had a wife... not to mention we OWN our property. In many areas an aggressive animal can be put down the first time it happens, and the rest it will be done on the second. Doesn't matter if they were trained to be aggressive or were that was naturally... an aggressive animal that size remains a threat to others. A Yorkshire terrier might run up and bite you but its not the same threat a 90+ lbs dog bred to fight is.

Both of their pit bulls growled at the other neighbors on or off the leash. And incidentally... the local police said we would be well within out rights to do it under those circumstances, when they were on our property, Yes we asked, nobody was even thinking of going to do it on their property.

They moved away after being there only about 6 months before anything came to a head. Everyone in our Cul-de-sac were quite happy they did.

Also sorry but I am not a peta member... Humans are higher on the evolutionary tree than dogs... they don't share human rights. And before you go there... I don't kick puppies or any other animal... I do like to hunt when I get the chance which is not often enough... and I don't trophy hunt.. I eat what I shoot or I won't hunt it. I probibly have more wildlife living in my yard than most people with far larger properties in rural areas... and I'm in the middle of the city.

Catsmine
Aug 14, 2014, 05:10 PM
Smoothy, now that you've addressed your personal issues, please address Mogran's. Did you notice the phrase "on their own property," which means the cop was trespassing. I refer specifically to the Weimeraner shot in its own back yard behind a six foot fence.

Investigation underway into why officer shot dog in its own yard | Deseret News (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865605464/Investigation-underway-into-why-officer-shot-dog-in-its-own-yard.html?pg=all)

And that's only one example:

Gunned Down: Why Are So Many Dogs Shot by Police? (http://www.petsadviser.com/news/dogs-shot-by-police/)

Every time I see one of these stories, which happens almost weekly, one thought runs through my mind: Cowards shouldn't be Cops.

Edit: That thought leads me back to the OP. Police training has borrowed way too much from the military. Soldiers kill people and break things. Cops are supposed to do the opposite. They've stopped doing that.

DoulaLC
Aug 14, 2014, 05:13 PM
No one has all of the facts of the situation, but as usual, the media hype stirs the frenzy, the mob mentality takes over for some, and once again division is at the forefront.

Yes, there are some bad cops, but the vast majority serve their communities well, sadly there are some people in society who will take advantage of a situation and this can result in stereotyping, and yes there are some who will perpetuate the problem to their own advantage and agenda... we see this when certain individuals show up or speak out but remain unheard from in regard to injustices and horrific crimes that occur on a daily basis in some neighborhoods.

If it turns out that it is proven that the police officer is guilty, then he should pay the price. However, guilty or not does not justify the actions taken by many ( of which it has been suggested that the majority are not even from there) in destroying the neighborhood. A peaceful protest is one thing, and there are those who have been doing so, but burning, looting, and destroying businesses of innocent people are uncalled for in any scenario. Of course once again the media focus is more on that because that is what stirs emotion.

earl237
Aug 16, 2014, 07:27 PM
These days, cops have such a bad reputation that even middle class and wealthy white people don't trust them. In Canada, there have been plenty of cases of police brutality, so the U.S. is not the only country with bad cops. There are basically 3 types of people who become cops, 1. people who come from a cop family. 2. People who got bad marks in high school and have no other career options. 3. Bullies who want a job where they can push people around and abuse authority. One guy in my class became a cop and he was the number 2 type. Barely passed his courses in high school and had no sports or activities outside of school other than working at McDonald's and flunked out of college after one term.

paraclete
Aug 16, 2014, 08:08 PM
Think you are sterotyping there earl

J_9
Aug 16, 2014, 10:04 PM
There are basically 3 types of people who become cops, 1. people who come from a cop family. 2. People who got bad marks in high school and have no other career options. 3. Bullies who want a job where they can push people around and abuse authority

Yes, Clete, that was a stereotype. A bad one.

My son is a cop. Doesn't fit in any of those categories. I know a plethora of cops through my work at the hospital. None of them fit into those categories.

Catsmine
Aug 17, 2014, 03:36 AM
The trouble with the stereotypes is that police dept. administrations are the ones perpetuating them. Note the SWAT uniforms. That's USMC MARPAT camouflage. Not only is it totally inappropriate for the job, it provides the visual of "wannabe army men" so prevalent in the stereotype. Why would any procurement office get that if it wasn't to perpetuate the stereotype?
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paraclete
Aug 17, 2014, 03:53 AM
And my response just diappeared what is going on? I will, say it again, whether you like it or not those who are disadvantaged and black need to respond with respect, not riots and disorder. There is no point in what has been done here, it doesn't help, in fact it is unhelpful

talaniman
Aug 17, 2014, 04:29 AM
Not all the protestors are disadvantaged black, or poor, and the disruptive violent ones are young criminals, few in number. Stereotypes aside, does it rise to the indiscriminate use of military tactics with military weapons? Poorly trained I might add. I don't think so. Lets not forget the cause of this was the POLICE action of executing a shoplifter in broad daylight in the first place.

He wasn't a shoplifter when he was confronted, just a jaywalker. So while we criticize the outrage, lets not forget the outrageous act that ignited this firestorm.

DoulaLC
Aug 17, 2014, 04:38 AM
@cat.....the gear was used since officers have had various projectiles hurled at them and needed to be prepared for just about anything. Better to have your officers over protected than to underestimate a situation and put them in more potential danger.


@clete....add to what you said, the behavior fans the flames of discord even more, along with when Sharpton and Jackson show up and/or speak out when there is a publicized incident.

I've wondered why they aren't seen or heard from regarding the plethora of incidents that do not involve different races, but I have a feeling it's because their words wouldn't carry much weight in those situations, and they know it. Along with the fact that when it involves two races, their words perpetuate the strong emotions and division that the media thrive on.

It was good to hear and see that some protesters and citizens blocked entrance to shops that rioters were trying to damage even more and steal from. Unfortunately those brave and respectable actions naturally didn't get much airtime from media outlets.

DoulaLC
Aug 17, 2014, 04:54 AM
Tal... again, no one knows all the circumstances yet. From first impressions, anger... sure. Wanting to speak out about it and protest... rightfully so. But none of that justifies destroying businesses and stealing. Not the majority of protesters turned rioters, but once again the media pictures will prevail.

talaniman
Aug 17, 2014, 04:56 AM
@Doula. Yes the media brings us current images that are disturbing in so many ways, but this is but the tip of the iceberg in what has probably been going on for a longer time before the cameras got their.

Catsmine
Aug 17, 2014, 06:53 AM
Doula, you missed my point. The riot gear was appropriate, the UNIFORMS are the problem. Police don't wear camouflage, paramilitaries do. THAT'S the stereotype they're feeding.

talaniman
Aug 17, 2014, 07:04 AM
A fifty caliber rifle perched above a anti mine vehicle seems a bit much for a small town street of unarmed citizens too.

DoulaLC
Aug 17, 2014, 10:53 AM
Ah, I see Cat... yes, to you and tal, I agree... they have been called out on the excess. Wise decision to remain on the sidelines since, to step in if necessary... although now some business owners are concerned that there is not enough interaction.

smoothy
Aug 17, 2014, 11:55 AM
Smoothy, now that you've addressed your personal issues, please address Mogran's. Did you notice the phrase "on their own property," which means the cop was trespassing. I refer specifically to the Weimeraner shot in its own back yard behind a six foot fence.

Investigation underway into why officer shot dog in its own yard | Deseret News (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865605464/Investigation-underway-into-why-officer-shot-dog-in-its-own-yard.html?pg=all)

And that's only one example:

Gunned Down: Why Are So Many Dogs Shot by Police? (http://www.petsadviser.com/news/dogs-shot-by-police/)

Every time I see one of these stories, which happens almost weekly, one thought runs through my mind: Cowards shouldn't be Cops.

Edit: That thought leads me back to the OP. Police training has borrowed way too much from the military. Soldiers kill people and break things. Cops are supposed to do the opposite. They've stopped doing that.

First... a cop is legally entitled to shoot any animal that they determine to be a threat at the time... inside or outside the house. Good luck proving that THEY didn't really decide that at the moment. The dogs shot aren't usually blind 14 year old Basset hounds with arthitis that can barely move.

Good luck trying to pull a Tresspassing claim OUTSIDE a house (I think that would be barking up the wrong tree, pun intended). Police only need a warrant to ENTER a house... not to look in the windows or step onto the property. And incidentally, because dogs are not Humans they have no proerty rights... meaning they don't OWN or RENT the property.. they only live on it.

If the neighbor kid climbs a fence to take a shortcut and gets attacked... guess who will be held responsible and liable for it? Not the kid.

I'm not defending the cops having automatic weapons, and Armoured personnel carriers... thats a totally separate issue than what I addressed.

cdad
Aug 17, 2014, 01:26 PM
Tal, what is going on and the media images you are seeing is part of the Obama plan. He wanted a civilian army just as powerful as our current military. Now that it is coming to fruition then there is a need to use all this hardware they have been given even if it is over reaching in its extent.

There is absolutly no need for them to come to the party like that unless it is to match an existing threat. If normal citizens are a presumed threat then they are in for a huge wake up call.

parttime
Aug 17, 2014, 01:46 PM
Cdad, I think that practice started in the 70's under Nixon .

Catsmine
Aug 17, 2014, 01:50 PM
a cop is legally entitled to shoot any animal that they determine to be a threat at the time

That's my point. They are mistaken in that determination too often, and are almost never held responsible for their mistakes. It's a hiring and training issue. Police have been trained the last decade or so that every encounter is a threat, not a potential one but an actual threat. They respond to that threat by immediately escalating to deadly force, then get a one to three week paid vacation while Public Affairs figures out a way to say that they reacted according to their training. The public perceives this as cover-up and is more suspicious of encounters with police. The police, meanwhile, develop an attitude of irresponsibility and unaccountability (trickle down attitude, anyone?) that feeds that public perception and the vicious circle gets angrier and angrier.


That's how we get riots when a cop shoots a suspect.

cdad
Aug 17, 2014, 06:55 PM
@parttime, I disagree. Were there swat teams forming back then yes. But nothing like the free giveaway of military hardware to LEO's across the country like there has been given away by homeland security. Before it was up to local departments to finance and they witheld the use to extreme cases. Not as in todays time where just serving a warrant justifies the use of a military assault.

paraclete
Aug 17, 2014, 08:32 PM
They have prepared themselves for the jihad to come, since the populace is allowed to own any weapon, the police must out gun them. You might not have muslim problems but you certainly have extreme right wing groups

parttime
Aug 18, 2014, 02:07 AM
@cdad, It took just a few minutes to confirm my memory isn't completely awol. I remember thinking then that is will end up biting us in the a$$ someday. It was originally called the 1033 program if you want to read more about it.

A congressional report in 1972 recommended centralizing the disposal of United States Department of Defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Defense) (DoD) property for better accountability. In response, on September 12, 1972, the Defense Supply Agency (now known as the Defense Logistics Agency) established the Defense Property Disposal Service (renamed the Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service in 1985) in Battle Creek, Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Creek,_Michigan), as a primary-level field activity. On July 19, 2010, as part of a "We Are DLA" initiative, the Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service was renamed the Defense Logistics Agency Disposition Services.Functions[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DLA_Disposition_Services&action=edit&section=2)]DLA Disposition Services disposes of the military's excess property. It does this through:[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLA_Disposition_Services#cite_note-dla-1)


reutilization within the DoD
transfer to other federal agencies
donation to state and local governments.

paraclete
Aug 18, 2014, 03:18 AM
All of this is very interesting but this becomes insurrection or the black community stand down. With the escalation being shown by authorities this can only end in more bloodshed. I think you are a little fortunate you don't have an armed black population

cdad
Aug 18, 2014, 04:26 AM
@parttime, What you don't seem to be understanding is how the giveaway works. Before there had to be a purchase by LEO and a commitment to maintain. Now Homeland security is giving out grants like candy so much of the equiptment they are getting is virtually free. When they receive it they intend to use it. They try to find the slightest excuse and run with it. Its a shame.

parttime
Aug 18, 2014, 10:38 AM
Dad I fully understand, my post was in response to your #36 post that put the blame on Obama for building up a civilian military when in fact it started years ago.

smoothy
Aug 18, 2014, 10:45 AM
They have prepared themselves for the jihad to come, since the populace is allowed to own any weapon, the police must out gun them. You might not have muslim problems but you certainly have extreme right wing groups

Its not the extreme right wing groups that pose the threat to this country.. its the extreme left wing groups that feel the Constitution and the rule of law are obsticals to their agenda and get in the way of achiving their goals. And they are a larger threat than the Jihadi Janes out there.

smoothy
Aug 18, 2014, 11:06 AM
This is possibly a false flag operation so Obama can declare habius Corpus and do what he wants free of critisism or controls.

Agent Provocateur Filmed in Ferguson? Threw Smoke Bombs at Police, While Cops Did Nothing - (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/18/agent-provocateur-caught-ferguson-threw-smoke-bombs-police-cops-ignored/)

What part does the DOJ have to play in this....

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/18/police-ferguson-tried-stop-looting/

talaniman
Aug 18, 2014, 11:16 AM
Armed vigilantes from all over don't rate any policing, but unarmed black people have every cop and the national guard scrambling with all the firepower they can find. White rancher breaks the law and gets convicted after 20 years in court, black guy gets shot for jaywalking and stealing cigars. Drunk white teen kills 4 gets rehab, brother selling loose cigarettes gets gang tackled and choked to death.

WTF!!

smoothy
Aug 18, 2014, 11:19 AM
Gee... the fact they are rioting, looting and burning has nothing to do with it? That's rather biased isn't it? There is NOTHING peaceful about the criminal element reaking havoc in Ferguson. I'm willing to best most of them are on welfare and food stamps and other government handouts. A large number probibly live in Section 8 housing or Projects.


http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/18/doj-communists-new-black-panthers-hijack-ferguson-protests/

Black Panters are involved...that racist troublemaking equal to the KKK. Yep...the lefties are showing their true colors there as to who they associate with.

Actually a new Army Manual speaks volumes....

http://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-CivilDisturbances-2014.pdf

smoothy
Aug 18, 2014, 02:40 PM
Witness video shows Michael brown was NOT unarmed and NOT innocent...

A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting is a Game-Changer (http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/)


A previously unnoticed detail in a background conversion of a video taken minutes after the Ferguson shooting could change the course of the investigation into Mike Brown's death.
The original video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdL9dqkyjhM) poster appears sympathetic to the narrative that Mike Brown was shot unarmed with his hands in the air. But he unknowingly picks up conversation between a man who saw the altercation and another neighbor.
An approximate transcription of the background conversation, as related by the “Conservative Treehouse (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/15/exceptional-catch-the-jj-witness-video-eye-witness-audio-of-mike-brown-shooting-sharing-brown-doubled-back-toward-police/)” blog, who originally discovered the conversation:
@6:28/6:29 of video #1 How'd he get from there to there? #2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck {crosstalk} #2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him {crosstalk} #2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him – [there is dispute here whether he says "doubled back" or "coming back."]
#1. Oh, the police got his gun #2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I'm thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him {crosstalk} #2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing #1 The Police? #2 The Police shot him #1 Police? #2 The next thing I know … I'm thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)
This is terribly important because if Mike Brown had been shot, and he advanced towards the cop instead of surrendering, it would substantiate the narrative that the policeman shot in self-defense due to the fact that he was being threatened with severe bodily harm. This corroborates an account of the event given by a friend of Officer Darren Wilson: (http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/)

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren's first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.”
It's far too unlikely that these two accounts are similar accidentally, having been from such disparate sources. The apparent witness in the background conversation is speaking with detail about the tragic shooting, and in a manner that runs contrary to the widespread version. Those who watch the video need to judge for themselves if the witness sounds reliable (but he would seemingly have nothing to gain by telling such a story.)
A third piece of the puzzle would be the toxicology report. If there happens to be anything found that might explain how Mike Brown might have been shot and kept advancing toward the officer, then the defense becomes even more believable. Unless someone is emotionally invested in an alternative narrative to the extent that one might ignore plain facts.
We shall see.
Co-Authored by Kyle Becker (https://twitter.com/kylenbecker)

paraclete
Aug 18, 2014, 06:14 PM
Let's try to separate fact from fiction. There is one eyewitness report that said he lay on the sidewalk but the video I saw had him laying in the street in a pool of blood, there is another eyewitness report that said he had his hands up and yet this one says he was running. Two bullets at least entered his body in a downward path suggesting at least that he was bent forward on impact. A police car in that video was least least fifty feet away from the body, but no indication this was the officers car. Supposedly he was in the company of another person, why have we not heard any account of what that person has said about this or the reported robbery. The possibility that this fellow was a local hood who intimidated shopkeepers and his standover attitude betrayed him

J_9
Aug 18, 2014, 07:42 PM
If a black cop killed a white teen would we be having this discussion? Probably not. Racism reversed?

Wondergirl
Aug 18, 2014, 07:47 PM
What if a black cop.would have killed Brown?

J_9
Aug 18, 2014, 07:53 PM
Good question WG.

Wondergirl
Aug 18, 2014, 08:11 PM
Here's a medical question for you, J. How can they do a third autopsy?

J_9
Aug 18, 2014, 08:18 PM
Looking at bullet trajectories. Possibly gun powder residue.

paraclete
Aug 18, 2014, 08:20 PM
Looking at bullet trajectories. Possibly gun powder residue.

They have already eliminated gun power residue, he was not shot close enough for gun power residue

J_9
Aug 18, 2014, 08:24 PM
They have already eliminated gun power residue, he was not shot close enough for gun power residue Baden didn't have access to the clothes necessary to detect gunpowder residue. The trajectory of the bullets suggested that the shots were fired from more than 3 feet (if I remember correctly) away. He was also shot from the front, not the back as originally suspected.

Again, I ask you, if this were a white kid shot by a black cop, would we be having this discussion? Would there me Martial Law? Probably not.

Wondergirl
Aug 18, 2014, 08:24 PM
They have already eliminated gun power residue, he was not shot close enough for gun power residue
Further checking -- On his skin but not on his clothes? Brown's DNA on the gun? A third autopsy would just be fresh eyes looking at the autopsy?

J_9
Aug 18, 2014, 08:27 PM
A third autopsy would call in different people with different perspectives. It's possible that they didn't have someone with significant ballistic expertise for the first two.

paraclete
Aug 18, 2014, 08:27 PM
What if a black cop.would have killed Brown?

Well you could rule out the racism excuse and get down to the fact that Brown was a common criminal. A lot of things go into this black/white divide. Racism on both sides, attitude, both of the police and the population. But I ask you, how often is the accused actually innocent? Here we have black teen in a disadvantaged neighbourhood, obviously doin' his thung and this white cop has the audacity to pull him over and question his a$$, maybe even arrest his A$$. I mean where is the world comin' too, you have a black president on the throne and still whitey doesn't get whose in charge

smoothy
Aug 19, 2014, 05:24 AM
Apparently there are over a dozen eye-witnesses that have come forward that support the police officers version of events... but you won't hear about any of them on the lame stream media because they have an agenda to push.

Reporter: More Than 12 Witnesses. Officer Wilson Shot in Self-Defense - (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/19/st-louis-post-dispatch-reporter-dozen-witnesses-agree-officer-wilson-shot-self-defense/)

paraclete
Aug 19, 2014, 06:28 AM
Interesting transcript, so what do we have a hopped up perp and a cop, a lone cop. What happen to backup, not patroling alone and cameras in the car, but then I guess this is backwoods Missouri not hell hole Chicago

smoothy
Aug 19, 2014, 06:37 AM
Most cops work alone around here, I don't even see cops 2 to a car in DC most times. Can't comment on Chicago... I only passed through there 4 times in my life and I didn't linger. Rememebr when this went down.. it was just another day and no degenerates were rioting.

paraclete
Aug 19, 2014, 07:09 AM
Yes you are right no one suspected two louts would do over a storekeeper and just wander down the road as if no one cared, obviously they expected the cops to be asleep, or eating donuts or whatever

NeedKarma
Aug 19, 2014, 08:04 AM
This is well written and well done:
How we'd cover Ferguson if it happened in another country - Vox (http://www.vox.com/2014/8/15/6005587/ferguson-satire-another-country-russia-china)

paraclete
Aug 19, 2014, 08:26 AM
Bit of a stretch there Karma. I have a fair idea what would happen here because we have seen it and the darker members of the community got tired of their protest after three days, but then they weren't opposed by the military. The situation there is you have police and agitators and the locals are caught in between and it will go on until the agitators are persuaded that they should go elsewhere. It would be helpful, no doubt, if the officer involved were placed in custody pending a hearing. In saying that I am not assigning blame but recognising that the circumstances were somewhat extraordinary and there is a perception of onesided treatment in the community, These guys need to learn that where there is racial tension that policing should be handled as far as possible by police from that racial group.

In other countries I have no doubt authorities would be much more heavy handed and intolerant of agitators and protestors generally. You need to also recognise that this isn't trial by media and starting a legal process changes that game

NeedKarma
Aug 19, 2014, 08:59 AM
Bit of a stretch there Karma.Not at all. It's a parody on the wording and language the media uses to report items in other countries. I think it's extremely well done and eye opening.

Wondergirl
Aug 19, 2014, 09:20 AM
What floors (and annoys) me is that degenerates are coming in from other places -- Chicago, NYC, and even California! -- like moths to a flame, to add to the chaos with robbing stores and firing pistols and picking fights with cops. A TV reporter just mentioned that many of the arrests last night were of out-of-towners who are also pushing the cops to get them to fire their guns to cause even more mayhem.

earl237
Aug 19, 2014, 01:34 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Al Sharpton is involved, he is always around to stir up trouble in these kinds of situations where there is racial tension.

paraclete
Aug 19, 2014, 02:43 PM
didn't I see a video of him addressing the crowd, he is part of the equation

talaniman
Aug 19, 2014, 02:57 PM
Families and local clergy always call him in. He is a prominent black activist whether white people like him or not.

smoothy
Aug 19, 2014, 02:58 PM
Activist?. more like blowhard. He's only in it for himself and to line his own pockets... same as Jesse Jackson. Neither of them give a damn about anyone else.

talaniman
Aug 19, 2014, 03:03 PM
I say the same about Rush Limbaugh so what?

smoothy
Aug 19, 2014, 03:09 PM
Rush Limbaugh doesn't parade around begging for money from anyone pretending to want to help them. Rush Limbaugh also speaks for himself... Rush earns his own money, he doesn't go around begging others for it, he doesn't pretend to be the voice of white america UNLIKE Sharpton and Jackson claim to be for blacks... who appointed them to that position anyway? Seems to me they self appointed themselves. I know a LOT of blacks that say neither of those two speak for them or for their benefit.
Rush and those two blowhards couldn't be more different in every possible way.

paraclete
Aug 19, 2014, 03:16 PM
What does it matter whose stirring up the crowd, fact is it is happening

smoothy
Aug 19, 2014, 03:30 PM
And if it was Klansmen doing it... they would be in jail for inciting to riot. But its obvious some people under this administration and this Attourney General are above the law, as proven many times over the last 6 years.

Wondergirl
Aug 19, 2014, 03:32 PM
Tonight the looters might be shot and killed!

smoothy
Aug 19, 2014, 03:39 PM
We can only hope.

J_9
Aug 19, 2014, 03:40 PM
Tonight the looters might be shot and killed! Oh, goodness!

Wondergirl
Aug 19, 2014, 04:30 PM
One can only hope....

NeedKarma
Aug 19, 2014, 04:51 PM
Kill them all!

Wondergirl
Aug 19, 2014, 05:01 PM
Especially the thieves and rabble rousers who are there only to foment trouble.

paraclete
Aug 19, 2014, 05:21 PM
What is served by commemorating a shooting and death with more killing. The looters and agitators need to be dealt with severely but where are the community values if the answer is to perpetuate violence. The demonstrators are demonstrating against violence. Yes the looters and agitators disrespect that view but visiting violence upon them doesn't get the message across because this is what they want, if they were intimidated by violence they wouldn't be there. Arrest them and send them into a deep dark hole for a while where they get no attention and no benefit from their actions. What ever happened to hard labour as a sentence?

Wondergirl
Aug 19, 2014, 05:23 PM
Arrest them and send them into a deep dark hole for a while where they get no attention and no benefit from their actions. What ever happened to hard labour as a sentence?
That works for me.

smoothy
Aug 19, 2014, 06:43 PM
I think show shoveling Duty in Alaska during at least one entire winter would be suitable.

talaniman
Aug 19, 2014, 06:47 PM
Her Too!

http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/main_node_view_image/hedy_epstein_img.jpg

St. Louis Metropolitan Police officers escort Hedy Epstein, a 90-year-old Holocaust survivor, after arresting her for failure to disperse. (Photo by Steven Hsieh)

smoothy
Aug 19, 2014, 06:49 PM
Stupidity and bad behaviour have no age restrictions.

paraclete
Aug 19, 2014, 07:12 PM
Yes but with compassion, perhaps making cups of tea for the police

Wondergirl
Aug 19, 2014, 07:57 PM
Yes but with compassion, perhaps making cups of tea for the police
Baking coffeecakes and making all kinds of doughnuts.

paraclete
Aug 20, 2014, 02:18 AM
What is needed here is perspective, the perspective is that the officer wasn't racist in his actions in the face of criminal behaviour, the perspective that the authorities are not deliquent in standing up to demonstrators and agitators and the perspective that looters and those who defy the law are subject to the law. This perspective seems to be absent, and what I think is the community should proceed on the basis that any racist attitude no matter where it arises should be rejected

smoothy
Aug 20, 2014, 04:54 AM
In a normal world that would be true... however Eric Holder apparently knows little about the law... or he flat out doesn't care what the law is... either are a sorry statement for anyone who is supposed to be upholding the law.

The only racism here is from the Black Community, Obama and Eric Holder. Perhaps every time a non-black is involved in a crime with a black... we should prosecute the black person for a hate crime... because that is exactly the sort of thing they are pulling here against the white cop. And thats not the first time they have pulled this stunt. Look at all the real crimes that were committed.....Like Lois Learner, BenghaziGate, IRSGate, Fast adn Furious..etc....foot dragging years later....yet two weeks and the DOJ has their noses in this for what reason exactly?

paraclete
Aug 20, 2014, 05:42 AM
Perception

smoothy
Aug 20, 2014, 06:18 AM
In this case its reality. Eric Holder REFUSEd tp prosecute election tampering in Pilladelphia when there was video of Black panthers outside a voting location threatening and intimidating votors.

No perception there... their presence there was illegal. And he has said and done many illegal and reprehensible things.

paraclete
Aug 20, 2014, 06:23 AM
No I mean there is a perception of racism

J_9
Aug 20, 2014, 06:41 AM
No I mean there is a perception of racism Correct. This "perception" of racism is perpetuated by Sharpton and Jackson in virtually every case.


7/18- Jimmie Norman, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/18- Terry Taylor, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/17- Cindy Raygoza, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/11- Luis Aguilar, 91 year old hispanic male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/10- Brittany Simpson, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Sarah Goode, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
7/6- Jeffrey Westerfield, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/5- Perry Renn, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/3- Laurey Kennedy, white female still in coma from beating by black male. No national news
7/3 Eric Mollet, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Rupert Anderson, white male murdered by black male. No national news.
7/2 Jennifer Kingeter, white female murdered by black male. No national news.
6/30 Jim Brennan, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/29 Paul Shephard, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Shirley Barone, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Penelope Spencer, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/27 Inga Evans, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/26 Jake Rameau, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/25 Gina Burger, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/24 Nathan Dasher, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/22 Jonathan Price, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/20 John Whitmore, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/18 John Yingling,white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/17 Allyn Reeves, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/15 Michael Beaver, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Angela Cook, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/11 Nathan Hall, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/7 Harry Briggs, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/5 Laura Bachman, white female, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/2 Robert Mohler, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.
6/1 William Headley, white male, murdered by black male. No national news

speechlesstx
Aug 20, 2014, 06:52 AM
Good cops, bad cops, yep. Peaceful protests, yep. Rioting, looting, Molotov cocktails, throwing bottles of urine at the cops…that ain’t right. Neither is the governor of the state calling for a vigorous prosecution of the officer without him having been charged with a crime. He still has rights in spite of the left’s insistence on violating those rights.


Gov. Nixon Calls For ‘Vigorous Prosecution’ Of Darren Wilson (http://news.yahoo.com/gov-nixon-calls-vigorous-prosecution-darren-wilson-041624592.html)

speechlesstx
Aug 20, 2014, 08:23 AM
Let's add Spike Lee to the irresponsible group that don't understand our rights, laws and the concept of civilization.


"And I'm not saying that people should burn down stuff and riot and loot," Lee told host Anderson Cooper. "But this is not the first time we've seen this. And I just hope that things will really blow up if the people aren't happy with the verdict of this upcoming trial."

Spike Lee Hopes 'Things Will Really Blow Up' if Ferguson Officer Is Acquitted (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/19/Spike-Lee-I-Hope-Things-Will-Really-Blow-Up-if-Ferguson-Police-Officer-Acquitted?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Has the officer been charged? Should the verdict be based on the evidence or what the people want? If they don't get what they want, they should just riot, loot, destroy other people's stuff, what? What is wrong with this picture?

paraclete
Aug 20, 2014, 08:28 AM
It's called racism but no black can be guilty of racism

smoothy
Aug 20, 2014, 02:35 PM
It's called racism but no black can be guilty of racismJust ask most of them... they actually believe that. And that's where the problem is... its ALWAYS someone else's fault.. they are ALWAYS being singled out and picked on. And how unfair it is to be singled out because they were black and being accused of robbing a store when they are carrying a TV under each arm stepping through a broken window at 3am.

paraclete
Aug 20, 2014, 03:42 PM
Yes perceptions

talaniman
Aug 20, 2014, 05:35 PM
its ALWAYS someone else's fault..

Smoothy, I agree. If you have 66% of the population, no way would the mayor, city council, school board, police chief, and the police force be anyone except who they wanted.

That's the real problem.

paraclete
Aug 20, 2014, 06:55 PM
well you would think that would be so but in order to elect you must first have candidates

Catsmine
Aug 20, 2014, 07:38 PM
well you would think that would be so but in order to elect you must first have candidates

And a population that bothers to vote

Unrepresentative Government: Ferguson Missouri, A Case in Point | AZModerate Rants (http://azmoderate.com/2014/08/14/unrepresentative-government-ferguson-missouri-a-case-in-point/)

smoothy
Aug 20, 2014, 07:46 PM
2/3 of the city probibly has a long criminal record too...

J_9
Aug 20, 2014, 07:47 PM
How many dead people voted this year?

paraclete
Aug 20, 2014, 09:53 PM
Well there will be two less now

Athos
Aug 21, 2014, 09:22 AM
Has there been any official explanation why Michael Brown's body lay in the street for 4-5 hours?

smoothy
Aug 21, 2014, 11:24 AM
When a Black Cop Killed an Innocent White Man in Utah, the Press Was Silent - (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/21/black-cop-killed-innocent-white-man-utah-press-silent/)

paraclete
Aug 21, 2014, 03:25 PM
It seems we have reached the phase where we can be silent here too

Catsmine
Aug 23, 2014, 03:23 PM
Call the SWAT team!

This Guy Thought He Was Preparing for a Rain Storm, But What He Wasn’t Prepared for Was a SWAT TEAM (http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/170824-swat-team-descends-man-carrying-umbrella/)

That umbrella is cocked and ready to fire!

smoothy
Aug 26, 2014, 09:19 AM
To Obama, a black punk is more important than a U.S. general or a prime ministerPosted on August 26, 2014 (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/26/obama-black-punk-important-u-s-general-prime-minister/) by Dr. Eowyn (http://www.dcclothesline.com/author/dr-eowyn/)
By his actions, we know President Ebola's priorities.1. A U.S. general's funeralhttp://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/maj-gen-harold-greene.jpg?w=185&h=300 (https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/maj-gen-harold-greene.jpg)Maj. Gen. Harold Greene

On August 14, 2014, Major General Harold Greene, the first U.S. general to die in combat since Vietnam, was buried in Arlington National Cemetery.
Gen. Greene was killed in a suspected insider attack in Afghanistan. On 2014, a gunman dressed as an Afghan soldier turned on ISAF troops, killing Greene and wounding about 15 including a German general and two Afghan generals. (ISAF = International Security Assistance Force, the formal name of the NATO-led coalition in Afghanistan.)
Gen. Greene's commander in chief (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/05/26/obama-apologize-treating-military-veterans-like-garbage-past-5-years/) did not attend the funeral. The POS was playing golf (http://weaselzippers.us/196711-disgraceful-no-president-vp-sec-of-defense-senior-admin-at-the-funeral-of-general-greene/) at the Vineyard Golf Club in Edgartown, Mass.
http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/obama_golfing1.jpg?w=300&h=232 (http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/obama_golfing1.jpg)http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/twitter-on-o-golfing.jpg?w=500&h=286 (https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/twitter-on-o-golfing.jpg)
Neither did Vice President Joe Biden attend Gen. Greene's funeral. Only Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel attended.
2. A white former prime minister's funeralThe United Kingdom is the most important and most loyal ally of the United States.
On April 17, 2013, neither Obama nor Biden attended former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's funeral. Nor did any currently-serving White House officials. Instead, the Obama White House sent three former officials — former secretaries of state George Schultz and James Baker III, and the former U.S. ambassador to London.
At the time, the nature of the delegation stirred controversy in the British media as tabloids claimed British officials felt snubbed by the non-attendance of high-level U.S. officials.
3. A black head-of-state's funeralBut Obama, with wife “Michael (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/07/06/michelle-obama-transexual/),” did personally attend the funeral memorial of former South Africa president Nelson Mandela (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/12/06/truth-nelson-mandela-terrorist/) on Dec. 9, 2013.
True to form, the POS treated the solemn occasion like a Justin Bieber concert, laughing and flirting with the pretty blond prime minister of Denmark Helle Thorning-Schmidt. The POS even took a selfie of himself with the blonde and British PM David Cameron (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/06/17/black-flag-jihad-will-fly-london-alarm-uk-born-iraq-fighters-threat/).
http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/obama-selfie.jpg?w=500&h=333 (http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/obama-selfie.jpg)
4. A black 18-year-old strong-arm robber's funeral

The Convenience store's security camera video (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/15/police-release-surveillance-video-michael-brown-involved-robbery-fatal-shooting-2/) of the robbery. Brown is the hulking 6'4″ 300-lb. man in white t-shirt and tan shorts.Yesterday, August 25, 2014, three currently-serving White House officials attended the funeral for Michael Brown (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/24/media-abandons-ferguson-new-evidence-shows-michael-brown-aggressor/) in St. Louis, Missouri, which is three more than were sent for Gen. Greene's or former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's funeral. The three currently-serving White House officials are:


Marlon Marshall, deputy director of the White House Office of Public Engagement.
Heather Foster, public engagement adviser for the White House Office of Public Engagement.
Broderick Johnson, chairman of the My Brother's Keeper Task Force.

Sources: Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2552095), FoxNews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/25/more-white-house-officials-at-michael-browns-funeral-than-thatchers/?cmpid=NL_fntop)
A big h/t to FOTM's dee
See also “Obama has DHS agents in Ferguson; pays protesters to justify martial law (http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/08/21/obama-has-dhs-agents-in-ferguson-pays-protesters-to-justify-martial-law/)“.
~Eowyn

NeedKarma
Aug 26, 2014, 09:37 AM
Worst. "Reporting". Ever.

smoothy
Aug 26, 2014, 09:40 AM
Liberals just hate the facts when they are pointed out... and the fact is Obama is the most Rascist person to ever hold a high elected office.

NeedKarma
Aug 26, 2014, 09:44 AM
Liberals just hate the factsYou like your source that states that Michelle Obama is a transexual? Hahahahahahhaha! Yes I am laughing at you for constantly using that website as the source of your information.

smoothy
Aug 26, 2014, 09:46 AM
You are delusinal in your tiny little part of the world... and you complete inability to accept anything but libtard approved propaganda... like any good communist should.

NeedKarma
Aug 26, 2014, 09:52 AM
You are delusinal in your tiny little part of the worldSo you DO think she is a transexual as per their reporting?

C'mon, get outside, go for a hike....

smoothy
Aug 26, 2014, 09:55 AM
What does the Eskimo Enquirer have to say about it?

paraclete
Aug 26, 2014, 05:34 PM
I think you should both get a room or a boxing ring

talaniman
Aug 26, 2014, 08:11 PM
New Details About Louisiana Resident Victor White III's Shooting Challenge Police Account - Truthdig (http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/new_details_about_victor_white_iiis_shooting_chall enge_police_account_20140)


Despite initial statements made by authorities that said Victor III was shot in the back, the report describes no back wounds at all. Instead, his cause of death is described as a gunshot to his right chest that perforated his left lung and heart, exited through his left armpit, and lacerated his upper arm. It was reported in initial local accounts of the shooting that Victor III was handcuffed behind his back. So in order for him to have shot himself in the chest, he would have had to pull himself through his cuffed arms in the backseat of that cop car—and of course, have a gun in the first place.

More serve and protect?

paraclete
Aug 26, 2014, 09:33 PM
New Details About Louisiana Resident Victor White III's Shooting Challenge Police Account - Truthdig (http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/new_details_about_victor_white_iiis_shooting_chall enge_police_account_20140)



More serve and protect?

In a place where the rule of law is devolved to the local level what can you expect?

earl237
Aug 28, 2014, 06:39 PM
Does anyone find it odd that a black person can be deemed a threat and arrested or killed by police for not doing anything and yet it is not considered threatening for a bunch of inbred, white hicks to go into restaurants and stores with assault rifles?

smoothy
Aug 28, 2014, 07:30 PM
Did that happen at the Philladelphia voting locations the last two elections... I thought it was the Black Panthers doing that.


Its also take a look at the daily stats for murders and shootings in Chicago on any given period and compare it to other cities.

paraclete
Aug 28, 2014, 11:46 PM
Does anyone find it odd that a black person can be deemed a threat and arrested or killed by police for not doing anything and yet it is not considered threatening for a bunch of inbred, white hicks to go into restaurants and stores with assault rifles?

Now let's try to ask the question in non racial terms because the way you asked the question implies racism. Firstly; if you are referring to Ferguson, evidence suggests the person of dark countenance was a thief and threatened and assaulted a police officer, thus he got to be dead. Secondly; how do you know these person were inbred, or hicks, they could just as easily been some up town dudes out on the town because there appears to be no law about them owning and carrying these weapons even if it alarms the population, which one thinks might have been the point

What it comes down to Earl is until the gun culture is addressed, people are going to die from gun shot wounds and people are going to act stupidly with weapons. We dealt with our gun culture here and fewer people die from gun violence and yet we are free to roam the streets,