I have seen all over Facebook about bringing the two US citizens back to US to treat who contracted Ebola. Is it as safe as they are claiming? I have been reading up on it and have seen news sources and posts claiming both sides.
I do get it for the family of the people who are ill they want the best treatment for their family members, I would too if it was my family.
What are people's thoughts on this?

The patients will be in isolation, and their families will be able to talk/visit them only through a window. My husband and I wondered about the medical people who will be caring for the patients -- plus housekeping and laundry. I would hope every caution is taken. J_9 might be able to give us good feedback on the possibilities.

Then there's the tinfoil hat crowd who think the two have discovered how to weaponize Ebola and are bringing it back.

» What are US biowar researchers doing in the Ebola zone? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! (http://www.infowars.com/what-are-us-biowar-researchers-doing-in-the-ebola-zone/)

More to come:

ATLANTA: 2 Ebola victims to be treated at Atlanta hospital - Nation Wires - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/08/01/4266970/2-ebola-victims-to-be-treated.html)

But to be honest Cats we really don't know 100% who is telling the truth and who is lying. That is what I struggle with at times as all news is slanted and can only report what they are told. I am sure government (and I believe this ) that governments hide lots from us. They are doing things behind closed doors we don't know about and probably never will.
Yes there are some people out there that go overboard with conspiracy theories but then others I think that could be possible.

I bet they can treat them a lot better here than where they were. I hope they survive. They went to help, now they need help.

It is very dangerous to bring them back at a time when the borders are being closed to avoid the spread of the disease

I can only give feedback as to the precautions taken. The patients will be placed in a special isolation unit that, from my reading, was developed 12 years ago and is rarely used. It is down the street from Emory University Hospital. These patients will not come into contact with any other patients or visitors. This unit also has special "air handling."

Nurses and doctors will wear protective gear. Masks, gowns, gloves. There are very strict protocols in place for the staff who will have to enter the rooms and visitors will not be allowed to enter rooms but will be able talk to the patients through a window.

Do I agree with them coming here? I don't know. Would I be willing to be part of their medical team? Heck yeah! It's ground breaking, and to be able to be part of something so big would be a boost to the CV.

Incidentally, I do have a friend who works at Emory. She is in administration, and won't be part of their medical team.

What about soiled laundry, human waste, etc.

Most likely, and I'm not certain as I don't work in environmental services, it will be destroyed/incinerated. But that I am uncertain of.

We have biohazard bags that are red bags placed in red trash containers. What they do with them once they are removed from the room I don't know.

Now, you can't get Ebola like you get the common cold, i.e. touching a shopping cart after an infected person did. It is transmitted via bodily fluids, much like HIV and Hepatitis.

I suspect the reason it is so rampant in Africa is because they don't take the same precautions there that we take here.

In addition...

Transmission | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/index.html)

I can only give feedback as to the precautions taken. The patients will be placed in a special isolation unit that, from my reading, was developed 12 years ago and is rarely used. It is down the street from Emory University Hospital. These patients will not come into contact with any other patients or visitors. This unit also has special "air handling."

Nurses and doctors will wear protective gear. Masks, gowns, gloves. There are very strict protocols in place for the staff who will have to enter the rooms and visitors will not be allowed to enter rooms but will be able talk to the patients through a window.

Do I agree with them coming here? I don't know. Would I be willing to be part of their medical team? Heck yeah! It's ground breaking, and to be able to be part of something so big would be a boost to the CV.

Incidentally, I do have a friend who works at Emory. She is in administration, and won't be part of their medical team.

Good luck with that, but I don't think the risk of having it on your CV is worth it. It you want a broader discussion beyound your local hospital see my thread Alocaplypse now

The experience on the CV would be tremendous in the area of infectious disease. Anyone with that on their CV would be able to pick their employer as well as their salary. I suppose, with my understanding, that Ebola isn't as frightening to me ad it is the average person.

I think it is safe,and their treatment ,whatever the results ,will advance the knowledge of treating the disease. I know of one of our service men who is deployed to the region where the ebola outbreak has occurred. I joked with him and told him do not eat bush meat.
Our CDC is one of the best in the world (with caveat since they still don't get lyme).

Your CDC hasn't been up to speed in some areas recently Tom that's why it is a concern as to whether they can handle this properly

It's news right now, most people don't know about it, it's a mysterious disease from far away, so some news agencies will run with it... ie. CNN's "It could be catastrophic".

Remember necrotizing fasciitis, SARS, avian flu, and mad cow all had their time in the news. Now you don't hear about any of them.

Doulal that is because they are no longer killing people, we weren't hearing about ebola either before this outbreak but anything can make a comeback as staph keeks reminding us

Do you really think those infected whilst caring for the sick in Africa didn't take all possibe precautions? And yet medical staff were infected. Yes you will have a higher state of hygene possible but the risks are there because people become complacient and careless. Disposal of medical waste should have a very high standard applied to it and yet if it is destroyed offsite there are risks. The fact is a quarantine on travel should have been respected and not brushed aside because of the nationality of the person

The fact is a quarantine on travel should have been respected and not brushed aside because of the nationality of the person

This was mentioned in your thread on this subject, Clete, but when HIV blew up the only change in your quote was "sexual preference" instead of "nationality." How many millions of deaths did the gay mafia cause? We'll never know.


"For the children" seems to be the buzzword in the U.S. right now. It makes you wonder how soon some media whore will be crying that those poor infected children (they'll find some somewhere) NEED close personal contact to make their last few hours bearable. Thus the pandemic spreads to another continent.

People do still die from them. The difference is that people are more aware, precautions are often taken, treatment is rendered (in many cases), and the numbers are fewer. The media, while doing the job of making people aware, also caused more concern than was necessary by causing fear of a pandemic situation.

Cats, What, are you trying to put words in my mouth, Yes the spread of HIV does have a lot to do with sexual preference and also with drug use preference but that genie was out of the bottle before we understood the risks but ebola is still capable of being contained and should be.

As far as children are concerned we should care for them as we care for others and if their parents want to give that close personal contact and take the risk then they will need to be isolated, but we should keep the emotion out of this. SARS isn't a problem today because severe measures were taken to contain it, we should learn from that and treat this outbreak in the same way. Perhaps an embargo on hunting wild animals for food needs to be imposed in Africa and perhaps a cull of fruit bats should be contemplated in certain places, there seems to be a number of diseases harboured by the bat population

Do you really think those infected whilst caring for the sick in Africa didn't take all possibe precautions? And yet medical staff were infected.

Yes, they took all possible precautions, however, since their supplies are low, gloves, gowns and masks are reused when they are even available. They don't have isolation units available. Medications and supplies are in very short supply.

While I do believe there are risks involved, I also believe it's being totally blown out of proportion.

I'm glad I don't live in Atlanta or I'd be raising holy hell about them dragging them back here to treat. I'd personally make sure EVERYONE that made that decision had to be exposed with all the other professionals. Sorry, but there are several doctors who died KNOWING what they were dealing with wearing biosuits... and I don't think bringing something so dangerous closer to home where if anything goes wrong it can get significantly worse in a hurry.

Sure its bad enough they have it in that region... lets share the misery and spread it around to a lot more places. Maybe London, Paris, Bejing, Moscow Buenos Aries, and a few other places and be fair about it.

smoothy you know the bleeding hearts don't see the big picture

I completely agree clete...

Well, I'm not a bleeding heart. We have basically eradicated smallpox, polio, etc. It has to start somewhere.

I can't say that I am entirely comfortable with them coming here, but what a breakthrough this could be.

... or a disaster.

I've learned the worst that can happen is far more likely to happen than the most optimistic is.

Besides... thats the basic premise behind CYA... prepare for the worst... but hope for the best... rather than damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead, we deal with it after the boat sinks.

Particularly with what little they do know about this and the very, very high mortality rate. Study it where its endemic... rather than take the risks it can spread farther.

Didn't the NIH (National Institute of Health) just find 50+ year old live smallpox cultures and other dieseases forgotten in a closet recently?

And that IS in my back yard.

FDA found more than smallpox vials in storage room - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/fda-found-more-than-smallpox-vials-in-storage-room/2014/07/16/850d4b12-0d22-11e4-8341-b8072b1e7348_story.html)


"Federal officials found more than just long-forgotten smallpox (http://www.who.int/csr/disease/smallpox/en/) samples recently in a storage room on the National Institutes for Health campus in Bethesda, Md. The discovery included 12 boxes and 327 vials holding an array of pathogens, including the virus behind the tropical disease dengue and the bacteria that can cause spotted fever...."

I understand prepare for the worst and hope for the best more than the average person. I practice it every night when I hit the time clock.

I think this situation is more hype. Yes, it is dangerous and deadly, but we are not a third world country. There was the avian flu, mad cow, SARS, etc. They are no longer a fear.

There was the avian flu, mad cow, SARS, etc. They are no longer a fear.

Right. Neither is AIDS. Going to update my pandemic kit now.

Neither is AIDS Not with the right precautions. I've delivered babies to many of women who have HIV/AIDS, I've come into contact with their bodily fluids. I took the proper precautions and I'm still healthy as a horse.

This is the same old debate whether it is pandemics, drugs or anything else, it becomes a emotive issue that we have the answers and we will overcome because we are smart, but we are not that smart. The drug companies aren't working on a cure because there is no money in it, but of course if it gets loose in the US population they will change their attitude and produce millions of doses of a vaccine and make billions even if it is well say 50% effective,

I do agree with J, I am a front line worker for the Canadian Red Cross, god, I have been exposed to all sorts of deadly viruses and we are warned and trained; we use standard and universal precautions for each one as it comes to us. I am still here, and cross fingers, healthy and still working and listening to what others have to say.

I am exposed every day and I know what I am getting into. But I do think we need to stop talking about something we know nothing about for now.

The Canadian press is not raising flags because there are non to raise right now

I view it this way... the same people in the government who were telling us there is nothing to fear are the same people that were swearing Obamacare would save everyone at least $2,500 a year over what they were paying and they could keep their old doctors.

That was a lie too despite whatever colorful euphamisms they use to avoid that three letter word.

Tick, they just don't understand that they can't get Ebola just from standing in a room with someone who has it.

And I've heard two epidemiologists on the radio say it's a lot easier then we are being told. And since its a virus thats always mutating... the possibility of it becoming airborne always exists in the future. One of them even stated its possible for someone that survived it to infect someone else two months later.

There isn't a lot of consensus on this which also speaks volumes.

Why does no consensus speak volumes smoothy. It just means they don't know all the facts yet. There is no subterfuge.

It just means they don't know all the facts yet.

So they're going to bring 2 carriers that contracted the disease despite knowing what precautions to take and dropping them into an isolation ward in one of the biggest cities in the country. Don't get me wrong, Emory Hospital may possibly be the best in the world for studying infectious disease, but they don't know the vectors.

Local researchers at center of Ebola fight Page 1 of 2 | UTSanDiego.com


(http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/aug/04/ebola-erica-saphire-mapp-brantly-writebol/)

It may already be too late.

Mount Sinai patient who traveled to West Africa tested for Ebola virus | 7online.com (http://7online.com/health/mount-sinai-patient-tested-for-ebola-virus/239663/)

Tickle... no consensus means they really don't know half of what they are trying to make us believe they do. And on something this deadly... thats dangerous. Because they are downplaying the severity of something they really know little about.

If nothing comes of this in a year or two...then I'll relax...I don't trust anyone from the government trying to tell us anything these days because they have lied about essentially everything for years now....why should I pick this one thing to believe they are being honest about?

But Smoothy It spreads from bodily fluids so there is no danger of infection, now where have I heard that before? Those bodily fluids sure get around.

HIV was a virus the general population was told not to fear and yet millions throughout the world became infected, but not to worry it takes years to kill you. Ebola on the other hand kills most infected people. This may limit the spread of infection. Over and over again our over confidence in "modern" medicine kills us, because these people just don't know what they don't know

Sure there is never a danger from ignorance.

Tennessee Doctor In Self-Quarantine On Return From Liberia Ebola Hotspot | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-03/tennessee-doctor-self-quarantine-return-liberia-ebola-hotspot)

Good news there is a cure

Questions about this new Ebola drug - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/04/health/ebola-drug-questions/index.html?hpt=hp_c1)

And then there is this we have to deal with. Sheesh.

West Africans Are Streaming Across the U.S. Southern Border Carrying the Ebola Virus : Freedom Outpost (http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/08/west-africans-streaming-across-u-s-southern-border-carrying-ebola-virus/)

Scare mongering

How so? Many flock to the US to get the best care they can get. Do you really think that the open boarder policy that we have now can stop anything like that? They can come in during the incubation period and infect who knows how many.

And so it begins...

Yes is it the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end

Oh, come on Clete, is this your first plaque or what? And what happened to the asteroids?

Tal like you I have seen many diseases come and go and well we just wait for the next one we let get out of hand, Disease and asteroids are with us all the time and then there is CME and ELE and don't forget we are always five volcanos away from nuclear winter. Thing is Tal what we are doing is unsustainable and the more people we have on this Planet the more likely we are going to have a pandemic. History tells us it is just a matter of time

History also tells us that no matter the challenge we have to deal with it. Lol haven't had enough coffee yet this morning to decipher CME or ELE, so forgive me for not getting excited about all the possible ways the human race could end.

Just to help you out CME; coronal mass ejection, we missed one in the last two years, ELE; extinction level event, could happen anytime. These you don't deal with, you are back to the stone age or worse

A 2012 study shows Ebola might already be considered an airborne virus. Contrary to the propaganda we are being told.

From Pigs to Monkeys, Ebola Goes Airborne | HealthMap (http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/pigs-monkeys-ebola-goes-airborne-112112)


There have also been 6 people so far tested for Ebola in New York and not just the ONE the Pravada ( the drive by media) has been telling people.

Once it gets loose in the population it will spread and the only way to stop it is isolation

yes it's airborne ......via airplanes .

The last threat was disease became airborne in birds, these things mutate and it is already airborne in bats, fortunately bats have a limited range, but airborne in humans is a problem which can be dealt with by shutting down flights to west africa for a few weeks. It seems we are slow to take the prudent path and we must get wide spread alarm before action is taken, we have already had someone return here from west africa.

I think it is often forgotten a cough and a sneeze may transmit microscopic amounts of bodily fluids over a nearby person

Particles from a sneeze or cough travel quite far, from room to room actually, FYI

good thing then that the ownership of Mapp Biopharmaceutical didn't listen to all the talk of the evil Pharma industry . Let's see how quickly the FDA fast tracks the approval of their experimental drug ,knowing the urgency ,and the apparent success it has had on human patients.

You guys are missing the point here. Ebola virus is not spread through the air, from a sneeze or cough. One can only contract it by bodily fluids. So unless you are near someone who you know actually has it, which won't be likely, just don't let them pee on you. Or you can do what we healthcare workers do, wear surgical gloves at all times.

tickle I'm sure its not as simple as that, don't you think the health care workers in africa know this

Clete. It is as simple as that. You are more likely to catch the common cold or the flu from an infected person than you are Ebola from an infected person.

@Yes is it the end of the beginning or the beginning of the end


I was referring to the high media coverage... but yes, you could be right, or not. If you are right, nothing done would stop it anyway if that is the direction things are meant to go.

Clete, no it isn't SIMPLE. In Africa taking care of personal hygiene isn't simple. There are more ways to come in contact with bodily fluids there, then here. Of course they know THIS.

I haven't heard of any news ways to come into contact with bodily fluids in Africa, personally, whilst it is well intentioned, it might be time to withdraw if they haven't the facilities to treat these patients

What do you mean 'any new ways'. Doctors and nurses over there are using (wearing) universal precaution suits which is intended to protect them from coming into contact with contaminated material. The patients have to be kept clean. They are probably very incontinent both ways, feces and urine, and vomit; this is how it is spread with body fluids such as this.

Then there is the possibility of drinking water being contaminated.

Think about that aspect.

We can't withdraw from treating.

If what you say is true treating these patients has a high probability of being a death sentence. The way to deal with this is isolation

I will stick with the scientists Clete, if you don't mind.

WHO | Ebola virus disease (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/)

They need supplies and resources.

If it comes from the same people that kept telling us Bush was responsible for the last Ice age ending, and the Veterans Administration mess, the CDC finding decades old dangerous disease samples in a storage room, and that Obamacare would save everyone $2,500 or more every year...

I tend to not believe anything else they try to cram down our throats either.

They are in isolation, although some are in tents, which isn't the best, but they doing the best they can with what they have.

Families though are hoarding their sick and trying to treat them. Can you see what a horror show that is. One of the symptoms of Ebola is extreme bleeding (of infected blood).

By Isolation I mean the countries need to be isolated to avoid the spread to other parts of the world, already you have aid workers transported to other parts of the world as if their needs transcend the general population. Yes resources are needed but the best you can hope for are tent hospitals, inferstructure takes time, and in the meantime each case needs isolation

Tal the WHO offer no specific guidelines on care beyond being careful but they have declared this
a public healh emergency so follow their lead

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-08/who-declares-ebola-epidemic-a-public-health-emergency/5657562

Well what I predicted as well as others has proven to be true. One of the Health Care workers in Houston that was treating the liar that snuck into this country infected... and later died, has become a victim themselves.

If a 2nd Ebola Case in Dallas Concerns You, The CDC Solution Will Horrify You - (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/10/13/2nd-ebola-case-dallas-concerns-cdc-solution-will-horrify/)

Another nurse on that team said they were poorly prepared, didn't have shoe covers, etc. In today's Chicago paper, a guy in a haz-mat suit was washing the infected nurse's sidewalk while a uniformed (unprotected) policeman stood nearby.

Do we have a clue how to manage this disease?

I don't believe anything the CDC has to say at this point. They just parrot what the White house press secretary has to say...which amounts to one lie after the next.... they changed everything on their websites etc to fit with the Democrat propaganda on this. They are NOW in conflict with the WHO which they used to be in agreement with.

This has everything to do with President Obala and his push to do everything for his home continent of Africa.

Funny how quick flights to Tel Aviv were shut down when a grenade made it to a mile of the Airport... yet they completely refuse to follow time honors protocols dealing with infectious diseases and prevent any travel from or to infected areas. Which is the best and first step to reduce risk of spreading it further.

To go back to something Clete said, the last time we were confronted by a virus that was only spread by bodily fluids, it took 30 years and FIFTEEN MILLION lives to fight it to a standstill. HIV goes into remission, AIDS is still fatal. This virus doesn't give us the time for a protracted debate and politically correct semi sorta quarantine. Grab your shotguns and call Milla Jovovich, Resident Evil IRL is scouting locations.

Go for it cats

The Director of the CDC should be fired... and be held criminally liable due to gross incompetence and for putting the American population at risk. To hide his gross incompetence has been blaming it on the nurse who is entitled to the assumption she did everything correctly absent any proof to the contrary.

The CDC Director Just Confirmed They Have No Clue: “We Have To Rethink The Way We Address Ebola Control� - (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/10/14/cdc-director-just-confirmed-clue-rethink-way-address-ebola-control/)

Nurses aren't provided the luxury of "the assumption she did everything correctly absent any proof to the contrary." We are held to a higher standard. There is a saying in nursing, we learn it on day one of nursing school, and continue to practice it throughout our careers. The saying is...

"If you didn't document it/chart it. You didn't do it." If the questions were asked and answered, but not properly documented, we didn't ask the question. If we started an IV, but didn't chart it. We didn't start the IV. Everything we do must be documented appropriately.

Now, I'm not sticking up for the Director of the CDC. I think he should be fired as well.

Did she ask him if he traveled out of the country in the last 30 days? I don't know, but if she didn't document it, she didn't ask him. Did he have a fever? I don't know. Did she document it? If not, she didn't take his temperature. Do you see my point?

I see your point. If its not documented it didn't happen. And in the medical field...everything is documented.

If memory serves me right... they suspected he had this from the moment he went to the hospital , and if not immediately it wasn't long after, and it took a brief time before it was confirmed he did have it. I certainly don't trust the media to give us all the facts, or any of them for that matter.

J, Apparently somebody did ask all those questions, according to the records released by his family.

Ebola patient sent home from ER despite 103-degree fever (http://www.khou.com/story/news/2014/10/10/duncan-sent-home-despite-103-degree-fever/17034331/)

What it doesn't say was when Nurse Pham cared for him. CNN says it was on his second visit.

Edit: I realize this wasn't your point, but the response to your point is that the documentation was there already.

someone on the emperor's staff pulled him aside today and told him that it was bad optics to be fundraising with the tycoons in NY today with the growing ebola crisis . So he cancelled a day where he was going to do barnstorm fundraising (while declining an invitation to visit the children at the 1st elementary school names after him ). Instead he will hold a presser at apx 3:30 (probably later ) after he meets with his cabinet . Imagine that ;cancelling a funder to deal with a crisis . That's almost like acting like a President.

Anyone who lied to get in, or helps someone who has it or lied should all be thrown in prison (solitary confinement). One guy lied to get here and now 2 Nurses have it, and a bunch more people are now under observation and it keeps increasing. What about their rights and the right of their families The health care workers. Not the Typhoid marys.

Its no different than an aids patient infecting others when they even think its possible they have it even without an actual positive diagnosis. Except you will live a lot longer with aids than Ebola.

NONE of them should have ever been allowed into the country. NO travel should be allowed to or from anyone of those countries or anyone that that has traveled there.

None of them? He was an American citizen, coming home to his family. Unlike the other citizens that were diagnosed and chauffeured with special first class treatment, he was sent home after going to an ER. He sure didn't lie about where he came from.

You would have lied to, to get the hell away from where he was. A majority of people would have. Okay stop all the plane from everywhere in case another liar who might have ebola or anything else comes here.

None of them, citizen or not... they should have ALL been treated where the epidemic was occurring to keep it contained. As we can now clearly see... these idiots at the CDC look at everything through rose colored glasses... and reality is quite the opposite. Cold harsh, extremely unforgiving. Otherwise no health care workers would have got this. The CDC and everyone else in this administration have been spreading lies about how supposedly difficult it is to get this. Anyone who watches the news and doesn't take anything a talking head has to say for granted, knows reality is far different... if he survived he should have been jailed and held liable if his lies to enter caused problems to anyone else, even if they later survived.

Sorry but his lies have resulted in the infection of at least two other people at this point, probably far more, and the mortality rate is so high most will die from it. He's just as guilty of murder as if he had shot them in the head. But being dead...he can't answer for any of it.

His actions are the new definition of selfish.

It could just as easily been a school age kid that had it and spread it around in the school. And heaven forbid that happen....but I can see it coming if they continue to treat this so cavalierly.

they should have ALL been treated where the epidemic was occurring to keep it contained.

WHO? With what? From where?

Take a wild guess? Before this ignorant bozo lied and brought it to these shores... everyone that has contracted it did so in western Africa. It wasn't endemic to Iowa.

Yeah we have enough disease already killing people.

How many in this country have died now from that enterovirus D68?

don't know . I know of 2 ....one in Michigan and one in NJ. The problem here is the CDC appears clueless (no surprise actually ) ,and ebola is a slow moving virus . What happens in a pandemic of fast moving disease ? Look..... y'all made political hay with Katrina and the lack of an adequate response. Perhaps we now ,with an apparent clumsy response to ebola ,and Sandy ,and IRS web site building etc. ,we realize that the fault may lie in the over cumbersome size of the Leviathan.

At least six deaths so far with over 500 cases across 42 states. Where is the panic?

Correction -- now 45 states.

Enteroviruses began showing up in the summer, which, coincide with thousands of illegal "children" infiltrating the U.S. border.

The U.S. started seeing enteroviruses in 1962.

from Wikipedia -- "EV-D68 first was identified in California in 1962."

Haven't read all the posts, too many!

There are now two nurses in Texas with Ebola. They both treated one of the US patients that had Ebola and died. The CDC is now saying that they should have stepped in sooner, made sure people were properly trained when they're caregivers for people with this disease. A little too late, isn't it?

There's now a suspected case of Ebola where I live.

The main issue seems to be that health care workers aren't trained to deal with this, and they're not getting the training they need to safely work with these patients.

They better start figuring out how to contain this, because it doesn't seem to be getting any better. Start training the medical staff that has to deal with this!

I keep waitng for President Obola to explain how this is all really George Bushes fault.

Well it has to be someone's fault as well be his

But Smoothy, the flacks at CDC already have. It's Republican budget cuts that keep them from being able to contain outbreaks and sponsor transgender beauty pageants at the same time( CDC Wasted $1.6 Mil on Tranny Beauty Pageant Group | FrontPage Magazine (http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/cdc-wasted-1-6-mil-on-tranny-beauty-pageant-group/)). Well, except for the troublesome little fact that Bush tripled their budget after the bird flu outbreak(The CDC Doesn't Have A Funding Problem. It Has A Mission Creep Problem (http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/03/the-cdc-doesnt-have-a-funding-problem-it-has-mission-creep-problem/)).

It's Republican budget cuts that keep them from being able to contain outbreaks
That's a tired old Dem line . ie ,they budget for a 10% increase and in negotiations end up with only a 7% ... Then they get on their soap box yelling the budget was cut by 3% .


The U.S. started seeing enteroviruses in 1962.

from Wikipedia -- "EV-D68 first was identified in California in 1962

The most recent outbreak coincided with the bullrush to the border by Central American "children" .

I see republicans are never responsible for anything, there weren't responsible for invading Iraq and destabilising the ME, they aren't responsible for budget cuts because if you don't pass legislation, you can't be, can you and well now that the missing WMD have surfaced they can't be responsible for lying. Whitewash anyone?

Plain and simple, this is fear mongering at it's finest. It's finally been mastered.

Ebola is as easy to catch as AIDS is.

Time to get your flu shot. The flu killed 52,000 Americans last year. It's easier to contract than Ebola is.

**EDIT**

I don't think Mogrann, who started this thread, cares about WMD, Whitewash or anything of the such. She is concerned about Ebola. Can we please get back on track.

Ok would you like to take an ebola cruise, appears someone just did. We will now see how easy ebola is to catch in a closed system

Was that person confirmed with Ebola? I didn't think so. Even so, that person went into confinement.

The issue here is transmission. This is a virus, while it may mutate, it doesn't change it's method of transfer. It is not transferred via airborne. Unless this person vomited on, had diarrhea on, splashed blood on any of the mucous membranes, or any open wounds of the other passengers, there is little to worry about.

This is a mid-term election year. This is also fear mongering at its finest.

I'm sure you remember the AIDS fear of the 80's, I know I do. I lived the scare due to a blood transfusion in '83, got tested every 6 months for 5 years. This is no different. As a healthcare worker, I can tell you that this is no different. It's not airborne like the flu or the common cold.

Let's go to West Africa. Shall we? Their literacy rate is 25%, approximately. They have very poor sanitation systems, and they live in crowded living conditions wth very poor medical systems. It's no wonder it is rampant there.

I couldn't agree more with J9.

I saw on the news yesterday that a man at a restaurant called 911 because the person at the table next to him was a pilot that was talking about the flight he just came back from, which happened to be a flight to West Africa. They played the 911 call, and the idiot that called stated that he had just been put at risk of catching Ebola because there's an Ebola carrier sitting at the table next to him.

The public has been so misinformed it's not even funny. Why are they causing this panic. How many confirmed cases of Ebola are there in the US at this time? Last time I saw it on the news, it was 2, both nurses that weren't properly trained or didn't have the proper gear to deal with a very ill Ebola patient in their care. The CDC even said that was their fault, that they didn't properly train the health care workers that cared for the sick man that died and started this panic.

This is getting out of hand, and it's ridiculous. Do some research on how Ebola is spread, ease your mind, because this is all a bunch of hokum!

This may be the first time J9 has agreed with the White House Press Secretary. It IS the second time a deadly disease has become a political football.

To be fair, Ebola is supposedly easier to catch than HIV, but not much, being "fluid born" rather than "blood born."

The last time quarantine procedures in most hospitals were updated, I was still in the medical field (the late 70s), when face shields replaced cloth masks and safety glasses, so "not much" more communicable than HIV still is frightening. They can't stop Staph bacteria, so a virus is a problem.

Not saying it's not a problem, it obviously is. But a problem that requires every news channel to report on it for hours a day, a problem that has the US in a panic, and, based on who posted this thread, Canada as well?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the US right now there are 2 confirmed cases, two nurses that only caught it because they weren't properly taught how to deal with it, and didn't have the protective gear necessary to treat it safely. All this panic because two people in the US have this disease? You don't think that's a bit extreme?

It's all media hype and gulliable minds, yes there is a need for caution and that applies first on controlling entry and isolating any possible cases. Obviously the message didn't get through because of the "it's hard to catch" propaganda. We had a suspected case here but it came to nothing, still with all these aid workers rushing in, it is sure to spread. I think they should lock down the borders of those countries and that means if you go there to help you stay there until the threat is over, and no amount of political pressure and agony aunts should change that, and let's have some common sense, no travel on the pretext of visiting relatives in the midst of a crisis.

There is a great need to education in Africa on hygene, particularly in butchering animals. What I see is if you want to live in primitive conditions, hunter gatherer society, then you do that away from centres of population and you give up a certain mobility for sake of public health. This threat was known for a long time

Find it interesting that I agree with the press secretary considering I've never even listened to him. I'm speaking strictly from my own research and from the education we are getting at work.

Luckily, with the kind of population in my immediate area, I won't be having to deal with this as very few people here ever leave the county, much less the country. But it never hurts to be properly informed and educated.

Alty, the problem is that one of those infected people has put 800 people on the watch list for ebola. It is something that can spread like a wildfire and it needs to be treated as such. Even with medical care there is a 70% chance you can die from it if contracted.

Who put 800 people at risk? If you are talking about the woman on the cruise ship, she's not infected. She tested negative.

If its so hard to catch, why are all of these Medical professionals in full body environmental suits catching it. They aren't kissing and hugging people who died from it. In my mind that shows its actually awfully easy to catch. Unlike AIDS, or TB for that matter.

Particularly since I would think you still go and scrub down immediately after getting out of the suit. You don't go straight to preparing meals to eat without washing.

Those medical people were/are cleaning up diarrhea and vomit. I've read that sleeves and gloves didn't meet and overlap and one nurse said there weren't enough shoe covers. Have you ever cleaned up diarrhea and vomit (multiple times from one person)? And just carefully and safely taking off all that protective clothing has to get complicated.

Everything just does not add up to it NOT being exceptionally easy to catch. One could have made the argument about unequipped African doctors in African hospitals. But that's just not the case here. This one is exceptionally EASY to catch...look at all the people being watched and quaranteed just because they were near this nurse...who was never vomiting or bleeding all over the place when they were near her, much less had diahrea. All she had was a fever. Wait and see if even ONE person contractis it from being near her in her first DAY of symptoms.

And the point is how they have picked calling it "Hard to catch", not unlikely to catch, or any other more realistic definition. Hard to catch diseases don't rapidly become epidemic with modern sanitation, or without prolonged exposure like this one does, and this is an RNA virus which shares nothing with AIDS.

They are spreading more BS in an effort to dupe and pacify the average person into complacency until its too late. 30+ years working around the stuff and people I have has tuned my BS detector to a fine degree. You can tell when politicians hiding something by the choices of words and how they say it. THose same choices or words and phrases also belie what they know but aren't telling you. And more than one person with a PHD in Epidemiology say as much too. Sorry but none of the talking heads making these claims are any more qualified than I am (and I'm not because I have no official medical training, outside the typical Red Cross first aid and CPR stuff)... they are all political hacks... operating on political agendas.

I'm guessing this is a learning experience. Ebola has never been a concern in our country, and for those in medicine, it has always been a chapter in a textbook, not a disease they have had experience with. Your BS meter is buzzing because there's just too much they don't know, but are doing their best to look like they are on top of it.

They should never have brought ONE infected patient here... Citizen or not... and travel should have been blocked from the very beginning of this outbreak. THOSE are time honored and effective ways to contain an epidemic. 30 African nations are already blocking travel to and from there. I think they have far more common sense than our own administration has.

J, the second nurse that flew on the plane has had the CDC scrambling and they are the ones that put the 800 on notice and 21 day voluntary isolation.

I think they have far more common sense than our own administration has.

smoothy at what point did you think your administration might show common sense, they are responsive to an electoral cycle, not common sense. Could you imagine the howls of derision and lobbying should one of your precious citizens be deprived of the right to travel home

CDad, they are taking precautions according to the paranoia of the public. The girl on the plane was not symptomatic, therefore she was not contagious. Ebola is transmitted through body fluids once a person is symptomatic. I have a much higher chance of getting it than any of you do. Am I scared? No. I'm educated.

Rather than adding to the paranoia, why not educate yourselves? Stop listening to the media and do some research. Here is a good article I just WHO | Ebola virus disease (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/)

They found that healthcare workers were not trained properly on how to put on (or assisting with) protective clothing. Skin was being left exposed in some areas, possibly between gloves and sleeves and neck and helmets. Also, there is a certain order that all of this has to be removed in order not to become contaminated and this was not being done.

This is partially what they mean when workers have to be trained properly.

Germany was the first country to set up proper containment units and train healthcare workers as soon as Ebola surfaced.

I totally agree with J about educating yourselves for any eventuality and not go off half cocked most times because of every rumour.

The healthcare unit I work for are prepared and are being up-dated daily on new developments.

It is only my opinion, but this is really a political issue, more than a medical issue. Mid term elections are here. It's time for finger pointing and mudslinging. They aren't focusing on facts, they are trying to get votes. Let's see how much this is in the news post election time.

So the germans are ready, fat lot of good that does anyone else. Just a comment, you have to ask how a highly sophisticated medical system gets itself in these situations. The answer is political correctness

It has little to do with political correctness. Hell, I'm the least politically educated person here. But, I am the most medically educated.

The family members of the Ebola victim who died have passed the tests and will be out of quarantine. The woman on the cruise ship has been cleared. It's apparent the two nurses did not take the proper precautions. They had to be exposed to the bodily fluids of the victims through mucous membranes, open wounds, or needle sticks.

Just food for thought J as to why this is political and goes well beyond the November elections.

U.S. is Responsible for the Ebola Outbreak in West Africa: Liberian Scientist | Global Research (http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-liberian-scientist-claims-the-u-s-is-responsible-for-the-ebola-outbreak-in-west-africa/5408459)

So you are going with conspiracy theories?

Arm yourselves with facts rather than fiction.

Troops from the 101st Airborne Division leading the military response to Ebola in West Africa will only need gloves and masks to protect themselves from the deadly virus, so said Gen. David Rodriguez at a Pentagon briefing Wednesday.
“They don’t need the whole suit – as such – because they’re not going to be in contact with any of the people,” the commander of U.S. troops in Africa said.
Soldiers from the 101st Airborne will primarily be building hospitals, ultimately leading what could be a contingent of 4,000 American service members. They’ll be housed either in tent cities at military airfields or in Liberian Ministry of Defense facilities, Rodriguez said.
Soldiers’ health will be monitored through surveys and taking their temperature on their way in and out of camps. If a service member does get sick, Rodriguez said they will be flown home immediately for treatment.
Next week, the 101st Airborne will hold a traditional pre-deployment ceremony, known as a “color casing”, before departing for Liberia, though a handful of soldiers are already on the ground.

Nashville Public Radio | Fort Campbell Troops On Ebola Mission Won’t Get Full Protective Gear (http://nashvillepublicradio.org/blog/2014/10/08/fort-campbell-troops-ebola-mission-wont-get-full-protective-gear/)

smoothy at what point did you think your administration might show common sense, they are responsive to an electoral cycle, not common sense. Could you imagine the howls of derision and lobbying should one of your precious citizens be deprived of the right to travel home

I gave up ever expecting common sense from this administration the first six months of it and the last 6.5 years have proven they are actually incapable of expressing any because nobody in it apparently has any.

Big chance to change things coming up

Let's stick to the thread boys and not start any of the political back and forth you're both known for. If you want to talk politics, go to the political forum.

Bottom line, people are paranoid about Ebola. It seems a few of them are on this thread. So be it. If you're afraid that this is highly contagious, can be spread like the flu or the common cold, and won't listen to actual facts, your choice is easy. Bubble yourself. Sequester yourself in your home, don't go to work, don't interact with people face to face, wait for it all to be over before you resume your normal lives. I suggest that during this quarantine, you refrain from using the computer as well, since you're needlessly scaring others.

For those that are educated and know how this disease is contracted, unless you work in the medical field, or you're exposed to bodily fluids of someone with Ebola, you have nothing to worry about. The two nurses that contracted Ebola from a very sick patient, weren't properly trained to deal with this disease. They didn't have the proper gear. Not sure what you're getting news wise in the US, but the news in Canada, the CDC said "oops, our bad, we dropped the ball on this one and didn't properly train medical staff". So there you go.

The choice is yours. No reason to debate it, just decide what you believe, and the measures you're going to take to protect yourself based on what you believe.

I think that says it all and should end this inane discussion.

As I sign off I'd like to point out that the member that started this thread has mental issues that she's discussed on this site (so I'm not outing her) and she's easily manipulated by suggestion, and easily terrified. So let's not add to that. She's having a hard enough time dealing with things as it is. So stop scaring her when there's no reason to be afraid! PLEASE!

You cannot go to the political forum because the thread will be moved back here. In the interests of free speech it has to be said Ebola hasn't been handled well and returning volunteer carers pose a threat to public health, however small. I doubt we have the full story on Ebola and in what ways it is infectious. Are we at risk from a sneeze? The actions of certain african countries have paid off in cutting down the spread and the more sophisticated countries should be prepared to learn from this. Anyone in contact with a victim should be quaranteened, not allowed to wounder the world at will. The situation on the cruise ship is ridiculous

If you want to talk politics, go to the political forum.

Alty, which forum do you think you're on? This IS the politics forum.

As far as this virus goes, one begins to wonder if it's the Center for Disease Control or Panic control. It certainly hasn't done much for diseases, other than the Tuskegee Study. Malaria's still around (which it was founded to control) although local health departments have cut it way back on their own dime. The one virus we thought we had eliminated, man's greatest enemy smallpox, they forgot and kept some alive. They can't even keep killed virus polio vaccine without letting it get contaminated.

As with FEMA during Katrina and the FBI in August 2001 and the ATF in Mexico and the IRS/TEA party groups, doubting ANYTHING and EVERYTHING the feds say has become the way to bet.

Current events is politics? Since when? I always thought that current events meant things that are happening right now. So you're saying that everything going on in the world right now, has to do with politics? That doesn't sound right to me.

Having said that, I'd suggest that people look at the original question. No mention of politics in that question at all. Now I get that many think this is a political issue. My issue with mentioning politics is when it strays off course of the original topic. Comments about giving up on the current administration, or comments about all the things you hate about the current administration, have no bearing on the topic at hand.

You should know that this thread was started by a Canadian. American politics mean nothing in Canada. We don't care about your president, he has no power where we live. This is about the Ebola scare, what's true, what isn't, and how worried everyone should be.

Is this the politics forum? I don't think so, but even if it is, this is not a political question. This is about one thing and one thing only, Ebola, and it's asked by an individual that is fearful of everything she sees on the news. So lets tone it down a bit, stick to facts. If you need to know why, look at her other recently asked questions. We're dealing with someone that doesn't need this added fear in her life right now, and definitely doesn't need to see people discussing their politics which have no bearing where she lives.

Frankly, I think this thread should be closed. It's not helpful. It's only serving to scare the asker even further because she doesn't know who to believe.

My last statement stands. If you're that afraid, live in a bubble until this passes. If you read the facts, know the facts, and accept the facts, you have nothing to worry about.

One dead US citizen, and the two sick nurses that treated him without proper training and gear, does not a pandemic make. Stop scaring people! :(

What are you, the thought police? Ebola is unlikely to be a problem in Canada unless someone brings it there, same goes for the Americas, Europe, Australia and Asia. Once we start to discuss control measures it becomes a political issue, at least somewhere. Whenever public administration such as the CDC fails, it is a political issue. It is a political issue that American service personnel were sent to Africa in an attempt to provide assistance. Mogrann should not be concerned unless she actually comes in contact with someone who is likely to be carrier.

Lastly on the subject of pandemics, the level of infection in the US has nothing to do with whether this is a pandemic, the number of dead people in a short time and the lack of cure determines that. Thousands are dead in AFRICA. So be alert but not alarmed

When they have a political hack with less medical training that I have, which is actually very little... telling lies to the public about how safe we are (his qualifications are WHAT exactly?)... and all the while health care professionals in environmental suits are contracting it, along with 30+ years of me personally seeing one thing, and seeing the absolute opposite reported means I've got plenty of very valid reasons to call bull on what the administration is feeding us.

I also know misinformation starts at the top and is disseminated down the ladder. That's how it works all over the world.

So sorry to say, the Obama administration made this political very early on by ignoring all existing protocols for dealing with exceptionally dangerous very infectious diseases. And the fact they are still refusing to make any effort to keep the infected people away from here, then to make a long time partisan political hack lawyer (this is the very same clown who tried to steal the election for AL Gore in Florida via selective recounts the court shot down) to head up the Ebola task force instead of someone who actually does have medical training, made this nothing but political.

And I saw this starting back in the early 80's. For those of you old enough to remember the first Gulf war... which is most of you here. How many of you actually believed everything you saw on CNN? Well what I was doing during that entire show, starting before Desert Shield and ending well after The cease fire, was watching reading and verifying the integrity of ALL the orders bouncing between Schwarzkopf and the other command and the Pentagon, both ways ( there were others, not just me)... I also saw what was on TV which rarely were even close. But I also understood WHY that was the case. I didn't see everything but I did see the lions share. And that's not the only job I saw a lot of stuff first hand then saw what was reported. I also know a couple big players in US politics.

So.. I've learned NEVER take any politician at their word. Their word is essentially worthless.

I agree J_9 is the one here who best understands what's happening with this virus... but I also know her field of expertise is different than that, and that there is a lot of layers of bureaucracy between her and the people that have a reason to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. I also know a doctor that has been good friends of mine since he was in medical school back in the late 80's early 90's (he's been a friend since 1988) that I talk to frequently... and he doesn't answer to the CDC (he's not a US licensed physician) or the WHO because he's in Europe. And he tells me there is a huge misinformation campaign happening with this, even in Europe. But I already knew that before he confirmed it.

Long story short... I have absolutely no reason to believe they are being honest THIS TIME, when they have every reason to be dishonest and have a very poor past history of honesty. 2+2 does not equal 5, and the more someone tries to pressure you to believe it is... the more you question their motives behind WHY they want you to believe its 5.

Smoothy, if you are talking about my level of expertise being a labor and delivery nurse, I guess I need to update my credentials. While I do still deliver babies, 50-60% of my time is now spent in the ER. Not only do I treat patients in the ER, I am also responsible for triaging them when they first arrive to determine their illness and what level of care they will receive. So, you see, I'm actually on the front lines here.

I am am at higher risk of contracting Ebola than any one of you. We are consistently being updated on this virus via daily emails, webinars, and online courses through our infection control department.

I come into into contact with blood, vomit, and bodily fluids every time I clock in at work. I stay frosty and take proper precautions, but I'm not afraid.

Without a doubt you have far more training than any of us. Most likely more than all of us combined.

But I also know everything isn't filtered down from the top. Only what they want everyone to know.

Having been privy for a number of years to the same daily security briefings the President sees once upon a time... and all the restrictions imposed upon those who do get it I know there are MANY things that are kept from the public for any number of reasons, most of them I do not question. You live with it because its part of the job and its what's required, besides you agreed to it when you accepted the job. Liking them or agreeing with them has no bearing, some you will some you won't but you treat them all as you are required to do if your job makes you privy to them.

Eric Snowden had a problem with living up to his end of the requirement and we see what that got him.

Decades in and around the Government has made me wary of anything that comes from the government.

Oh to be 20 and blissfully ignorant to all the dealings happening out of sight to you again....but those days are long gone. I never thought I'd be saying that. ( no I wasn't say that to you....just speaking about myself before I got involved and was made aware of all of this decades ago, it does change your perspective on life.)

Would I go back and change thigs if I could do it all over again? Maybe certain things....but I've gotten to see a lot of things few people have...and from that perspective, it was a small price to pay.

J, you're not afraid because you know the facts. Sadly it seems that most of the people are getting their information from the media, or online.

I still want to know why this is on every news channel when only one person in the US actually died of Ebola, and the only other people infected are two nurses that treated him and didn't have the proper training or gear to do so.

Or am I being misinformed? Are there more confirmed cases? Are there 4 people, not 3 that actually had or have Ebola in the US? Maybe 5? If so, that's not on the news, only the one dead patient and the two sick nurses are being televised here.

That's a huge percentage of the population in the US, isn't it? I mean, we always knew you all were smaller than us land wise, but I didn't think that 3 sick people would cause this much of a panic in a country as populated as the US. Especially because the two nurses getting sick, is logical due to lack of training and gear to treat that patient safely.

I'm going with knowledge on this one not the ramblings of people that don't know Ebola from the common cold.

In other words, I'm listening to J9 here. She knows more than all of you combined, and if she's not worried, why should any of you be worried?

The funny thing is that you all refuse to believe what you are being told. Actually, nothing is being held back. This virus is not airborne. You, as in the general public, stand a higher risk of contracting tuberculosis than you do Ebola. You see, tuberculosis is airborne.

Last year 56,000 people in the US died of the flu, it is airborne. To date, only one person in the US has died from Ebola. To contract Ebola you must come into contact with blood, semen, feces, vomit, from an infected person. Those bodily fluids then must enter your body through a wound or mucous membranes.

I'm much more afraid of the flu than I am Ebola.

Duncan's relatives who were in quarantine were released today.

Three Ebola cases out of 320M people in the U.S.

Why? Decades of being privy to intentional misinformation from a number of countries. Yes some of them friendly nations. One does not chose to simply forget that.

And the population density where these patients are being shuttled around to multiplies the risk to everyone in those regions means one of the wrong screw-ups can multiply exponentially practically overnight.

And they already have had a number of very close calls. The fact it hasn't been significantly worse is luck... not someone doing the right thing. If they had their acts together there wouldn't have been any close calls.

You are welcome to believe anything you wish...I'm not trying to sway your mind at all. I'm a prepare for the worst, then hope for the best kind of person. When something bad happens, I'm at least somewhat prepared for it. Been blindsided too many times in my younger years.

Let's forget the politic'n and get back to Ebola, when responsible people start saying things like thousands of infections a month obviously there are those who will be concerned, but they are talking about Africa, west Africa specifically. Control of disease on this scale requires drastic measures to minimise infection and may including clearing of various areas. I observed news footage of people in Liberia. There is panic there and possible breakdown of order, certainly the mood of the crowd was noncooperative and their leadership is blaming external sources for lack of response as if they are capable of solving the problem. there is a solution but not one that is acceptable

The fact that isn't significantly worse is not luck. It's because this virus is hard to get. You could walk past someone with Ebola in the mall. You won't catch it, yet you walk by someone who has the flu, you can get the flu.

There is only one dead in the US and two sick. Those two are responding to treatment and we've already cured two others.

Again, in, you stand a higher risk of catching TB than you do Ebola.

Clete.. its that sort of thing that government everywhere hope to avoid. And the more in the dark people can be kept and the longer people can be kept in the dark... the more order can be maintained.. the powers that be would sacrifice entire cities if it will maintain order and thus... their control.

Do I hope this all bows over before it gets worse? Most certainly.

Keeping people in the dark? Education is power.

Now, look at places like Liberia. They have little sanitation, they live in close knit quarters, they are mostly illiterate, eat the meat of the fruit bat that carries the disease, no access to adequate medical care, and have weakened immune systems. Here in the US, we are quite the opposite.

I don't agree greed with sending troops there with only 4 hours of training. And I do think we should close the borders of the infected countries, but I don't think the amount of paranoia here, from only one dead person, is acceptable.

I totally agree education is power. That's exactly why information is kept from people world wide. Some places more often than others. The more educated and knowledgible a person is, the less control the government has over them. Access to Information is controlled to maintain control over the masses, and that how its always been, Brute force hasn't always been enough.

Very soon some governments may have less population to control meanwhile the big nations can sit snuggly back as they have always done.

That would be West African countries.

Although I do see the possibility of it running rampant in places like China as well.

China will do what they did before and close their borders, no we have to be more careful with returning aid workers, for the time being that is where the risk lies and also with the military deployed to west africa

Clete, any country that is well prepared to deal with ebola is a step forward in the right direction. That is what 'good' it does. If they can send an infected person to a closer source that is well prepared, that means that there ia a good chance of infection NOT spreading.

From your mouth to God's ear tickle

Now we have a case in NYC . The infected person is a doctor from Doctors without borders . He came back here ;followed all the protocols ,passed right through all the new screening put in place and comingled throughout the city ;including riding the subways , an Uber cab ,ate in a restaurant ,and took in a few rounds of bowling before his symptoms were detected .
During a presser last night ,Guv Cuomo and NYC Mayor Sandinista de Blasio congratulated themselves for a job well done. Why ? Because health care workers got a 3 hr crash course at the Javits Center. To his credit ,Cuomo has reversed his position and now says that some flights from the infected areas should be banned .

If they were so well prepared to deal with it... these people would NOT be coming in at all. One of the Airports the President Obola has designated as Ebola Infection spreading location points isn't the one closest to him, Washington National Airport, or the one in lefty land, Baltimore-Washington International Airport.....it had to be the one in a RED state , Dulles International Airport. Which Pi**ES me off so much because its dangerously close to where I live and unlike BWI, its in a densely populated area. Assuming ANY had to be in this region at all. Which I feel did NOT have to be.

I find your response to my post pretty rude, clete. Could you not have thought of a better one under the circumstances ?

Looks like my small rural hospital is more prepared. We already have our negative pressure rooms up and running. We have a plan as to how to move the patient(s) from triage to the negative pressure rooms without them coming into contact with anyone else. They will be assigned two nurses (the first nurses who come into contact with said patient) around the clock unless or until Ebola is confirmed. These nurses will alternate 4 hour shifts spending their off time in negative pressure rooms.

Training how to dress out comes next week. We must be able to dress out properly, without fail, or we cannot work until we pass. This goes for all nurses in our hospital, not just the ER nurses.

While the NYC infection seems scary, we have to remember that the infected person is not contagious until they exhibit symptoms. We also must remember that this is not airborne. Unless he were flinging poop or splattering blood in the uber cab or the bowling alley, everyone should be just fine.

J, you already said what I was going to say. The doctor that has now been diagnosed, was not contagious when he was in the restaurant, the cab, or any of the other places he had gone, as he had not yet exhibited any symptoms. Even if he had symptoms he could not contaminate anyone unless he pooped on someone, puked on someone, bled on someone, and those fluids got into that persons eyes, mouth, nose, or an open wound, just as J said.

This is the 3rd case in the US, and this man did not contract the virus from anyone in the US.

Frankly, and this may sound harsh, I think the solution to this is to treat those in Africa, but not allow anyone from the regions where this is spreading, to leave. Those that wish to leave should be help in quarantine for a month before they're allowed to travel. But that's just what I feel.

For sure we know they have no facilities for a proper quarantine in West Africa for citizens or health care volunteers. They are building them. We have the facilities and resources to quarantine and treat these people so why wouldn't we? They are Americans and if they can't come home and get help then shame on us. Bad enough our troops are treated poorly after serving their country, so those humanitarians don't have a chance.

Quarantine them when they get off the plane would be the simple solution. Just cannot believe a great nation has so much trouble doing the right thing for our best and brightest, that have served so diligently.

True Tal. Have to mention that I'm not American though, so my thought process may be a bit different than yours. As of right now (knock on wood) Ebola isn't even mentioned on the news regarding where I live. We see the news coming from the US, and that's all we see, Ebola, Ebola, Ebloa. It hasn't come to Canada, and I sincerely hope it doesn't.

I agree that Quarantining anyone that's coming from Africa, is the best way to go. But they're not doing that. If they were doing that, this doctor wouldn't have slipped through the cracks. He came from a highly infected area, and he's a doctor so he's actually in contact with these patients, and he was not only able to get a flight, but allowed to get on, and off the plane, go home and no one once thought "hey, maybe he should be quarantined". That's insane!

He's the 3rd person in the US with the illness, and I'm still saying that this is not something to be this deeply concerned about, not worthy of 24/7 new coverage, but if they don't start setting protocols for dealing with the people flying in from Africa, then it could get to the point where it actually is newsworthy. They need to stop reporting on all the things they plan to do, and all the safety measures in place, and actually start acting on them!

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Until they start bringing a large percentage of them in only a 10 minute drive from where you live, and you know people that work at that airport. Then there is very good resons to be concerned.

Once again the media is milking the problem for all its worth, this week Ebola, last week ISIS, and all this in the middle of an election campaign, there is an election campaign going on over there, isn't there? Or is this just a diversion? Like the media has suddenly discovered news that has crossed that local divide.

But ebola is a world wide problem, the US is asking us to send medical staff, not that we have much call for treating tropical diseases here, so I expect we will be sending some lambs to the slaughter who have to be rescued, I see RAAF aircraft crisscrossing Africa in the future, still makes a change from Iraq. I think those close to the problem should do the heavy lifting and we should turn our considerable medical research resourse to finding a cure

I saw on the news the other day that Canada is sending a vaccine made in Canada to combat Ebola. Because of the outbreak they're giving up 2/3's of their supply of this vaccine to help. I don't know a lot about this, only what I heard on the news and that wasn't enough to talk about it with any conviction or answer any questions. All I know, according to the news cast I caught the tail end of, is that Canada has been working on a vaccine for Ebola for years now, and has come up with one that works. We have limited supply of this vaccine, but we're sending the majority of it to Africa to help combat this before it gets out of hand.

I'll try to find a link to explain it further.

Here's a link:

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FInternational%2F wireStory%2Fcanada-send-experimental-ebola-vaccine-26296040&ei=lghLVJ3FJJajyATN4YDQBA&usg=AFQjCNESz555gLUqcc0nCn3mZeOu4-lFNA&bvm=bv.77880786,d.aWw

Frankly, and this may s
ound harsh, I think the solution to this is to treat those in Africa, but not allow anyone from the regions where this is spreading, to leave. Those that wish to leave should be help in quarantine for a month before they're allowed to travel. But that's just what I feel.
Right on !


For sure we know they have no facilities for a proper quarantine in West Africa for citizens or health care volunteers. Sengal and Nigeria are now ebola free. How did they get to that point ? With a travel ban.

Tom you know as well as I do no one wants to do the hard yards of appearing heartless and limiting the right to travel, those who have been willing to be sensible in this will win while the dogooders will reap the problems. The answer is to treat the disease on the ground, to destroy the coupses and affected buildings in the time honoured fashion; by fire. This may seem harsh and cut across religious and cultural norms, but what is better, for the living to survive or the dead spread the disease. I watched a doco the other day of a housekeeper of a dead woman who was going to go back to living in the house, she actually though she could clean the house when people covered head to foot are catching the disease and I wonder how many more are like her, in complete denial of the risks

They are trying to treat their own ill, within the family, and when one dies, they leave them in the street. I think I said this before. Inhabitants of Sierra Leone are completely ignorant of what they are dealing with.

And, Alty, they don't want to hear that Canada donated vacine, that is why I didn't write about it.

kudos to Governors Christie and Cuomo and Quinn(NJ .NY ,Ill. ) for instituting this sensible policy of a quarantine for any health care worker returning from treating Ebola patients.
N.Y., N.J., Illinois to impose new Ebola quarantine rules - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/ny-nj-governors-impose-new-ebola-quarantine-rules/2014/10/24/8096e43e-5bac-11e4-8264-deed989ae9a2_story.html)

Yes some sense there after all

the Army is putting soldiers in isolation in Vicenza, Italy before they return stateside.This includes Maj. Gen. Darryl Williams who was the commander of the U.S. Army in Africa who was replaced this weekend .
Ebola outbreak: U.S. soldiers returning from Liberia placed in isolation in Italy - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-outbreak-u-s-soldiers-returning-from-liberia-placed-in-isolation-in-italy/)
But back home ,the administration put pressure on Governor's Christie and Cuomo to back off their plan. Christie caved and released a healthcare worker ;although she was correct in complaining about the conditions she was being subject to in isolation. Cuomo modified the isolation protocol.
Ebola gets political: Gov. Christie defends quarantine - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/26/politics/ebola-quarantine-christie-white-house/index.html)
I have no doubt that the Governors have the legal authority to impose the quarantines.

Meanwhile we now have a 5 year old kid who toured virtually all the affected African nations who has now been admitted to Belleview Hospital in the Bronx with possible Ebola symtoms .
5-year-old boy tested for Ebola in NYC after return from Africa | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2014/10/27/5-year-old-boy-being-tested-for-ebola-in-new-york-city/)

Well Tom after a scare where a west african girl developed symptoms after arrival and was later cleared, Australia has moved to suspend migration applications from affected countries. The point being why should western countries place themselves at risk

What gets me is that 2 states initiated sensible policies and the emperor squashed them in less than 48 hrs. Meanwhile his military is taking the correct and prudent steps . The emperor's theory that this will discourage health care workers from volunteering is insulting to the many of them who have already risked their own lives treating patients .
They know the risks when they go there ? Of all people ,why would they hazard spreading the risk stateside?
The Joint Chiefs of Staff ,and the DOD ,who are sending thousands of troops into the nations affected are saying a 21 day quarantine is warranted . This is evidently another instance where they are at odds with the emperor . The emperor told us that military personnel will have NO direct contact with Ebola patients and yet the command and control thinks a 21day quarantine is prudent . I know of one ship where the sailors were quarantined in San Diego harbor for over 2 months because one of the sailors had come down with avian flu. Now that's cruel .Imagine having to look at the beaches of San Diego for over 2 months ,and not being able to get off your ship.

Personally I think your administration doesn't delegate enough, too many decisions by edict which leads to confusion. If your states have responsibility for local medical issues and I suspect they do then they follow guidelines otherwise you aggregate all treatment into federal hands not just isolated instances. The whole thing is panic in the middle of mid term elections where the issue is being played for political purposes. As far as quaranteed and isolation goes whatever the policy is, but it would seem that isolation shipboard isn't a great policy but hey where are you going to go anyway?

this is one way of decisivly dealing with the situation, stay where you are!
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/28/world/asia/australia-immigration-policy-ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Ebola crisis: Government to announce plans to help Australian volunteer medical staff fight virus in Africa - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-04/ebola-crisis-government-to-assist-australia-medical-staff/5866456)

No doubt this is good news for ebola sufferers but it does increase the risk of spreading the disease with returning volunteers

The virus isn't really that hard to get rid of. Supportive therapy is all that is needed if it is diagnosed in time.

The question does appear to be how to prevent the spread to the virus, large numbers have died in Africa because the virus is easily spread by contact, with the best will in the world 50% of the infected die so it is better to avoid infection. We need this not to be driven by a political cycle, I expect our decision making ties into the G20 Conference just as your ties into your election cycle.

We already know how to stop the spread of Ebola. Its been done before.

This is entertaining... and oh so true:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAz-F1QnyCk

Tal you have all the answers, go and do it

It's already being done Clete, but there seems no be no cure for your fear, and I have tried to tell you to chill but you seem to like running in circles crying about the world coming to an end.

No Tal I have become a passive observer to the behaviour of those who will hasten the demise, my hip and my knee don't allow me to run anymore. Whether you like it or not the world as we know it is coming to an end, we are told how now we will see a 4 degree rise in temperature this century unless we overturn our energy usage and make big changes to our way of life. Meanwhile ancient ideas gain ascendency and we will fight a never ending war with religious nutcases and there are rumblings in the east. Pestilence has been very obvious in the last century and we are continually challenged

Whether you like it or not the world as we know it is coming to an endYes that's what the fundamentalists have been saying for centuries. Especially by old men at the end of their lives.
Example: List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events)

We'll be fine.

Look karma, would the world we live in today be recognisable for a person who lived two centuries ago, their world came to an end, and ours is coming to an end and future generations will live differently if they overcome the problems we leave them. Apocolypse is not well understood, there are going to be many events spread over time, no doubt we have seen some of them and we will see others.

There are distinctive signs of apocolypse

War, pestilance, pollution, earthquakes, meteorites, they are not all going to rain upon our head in one day, the other signs are wide spread death and destruction.. Now at the moment ebola fits one of the criteria, it may or may not be like the apocolyptic influenza epidemic of the twentieth century but at the moment we are doing as much to spread it as we are to contain it

Harold Camping? Is that you?
If your religious beliefs comfort you then good for you, you can hope for an end because of your faith/promise of a "better" life after this. Meanwhile others are busy solving this issue. I get it that you live in fear, many others don't.

No karma I'm my own person, yes people are solving some issues and making others worse, it is ever so. We have a inability to agree on where our resources should be committed, Faith doesn't enter into it except to take the prophetic warnings seriously. There is a certain sect that thinks it will inherit the Earth, I'm not one of them. I don't live in fear, knowledge isn't fear, fear is doing what you are doing, not wanting to know.

You have faith in humanity, you think they have the ability to solve every problem, but have you noticed? We are entirely reactive, we are not ahead on anything, so every problem takes us by surprise. Progress is purely incrumental, true breakthroughs are rare

seven billion of us and we haven't a clue between us

Speak for yourself. Because you have no clue and choose to be preparing for the end of YOUR world doesn't mean the rest of us are quaking in our boots or giving up on OUR world.

You have faith in humanity, you think they have the ability to solve every problem, but have you noticed? We are entirely reactive, we are not ahead on anything, so every problem takes us by surprise. Progress is purely incrumental, true breakthroughs are rare

seven billion of us and we haven't a clue between usYep, we have totally different worldviews.

Indeed, but remember I have as much hope for the future as you do but I know what the true meaning of "42" is

The fictional answer in a good book series?

No! That's not it, it actually is a piece of hidden wisdom, do the numbers