Very much a Patriot said to me the other day: "If I could only vote for one person and my choice was between Obama and Putin, I would have to vote for Putin". When I asked why, they replied "at least Putin is not trying to ruin his country". I have to agree somewhat, Putin is trying to rebuild his country and return the breakaway countries to the Soviet Union. While Obama is bent on ripping this country "a new one". If he could, it would not surprise me, if he would try to give Texas and Arizona to Mexico. Pay backs for Gov. Jan Brewer.

And don't forget... California too... He's probibly been negotiating wit Russia to give Alaska back too... out of spite.

And return Virginia, Florida, and Maine to the Native Americans. Not sure about Nevada.

He wants to sell Nevada to the Chinese.

As long as they bring their recipes and establish rice paddies, that might work. There'd be a great work ethic for us to emulate.

THey want to build a MASSIVE solar energy collection site there because there is too much smog in China or sandstorms from the Gobi desert to do it there, they've been bribing Harry Ried... thats why the government was grabbing all the land out there recently.

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Division/Research/Library/Documents/HistDocs/1864Act.pdf

1864 is hardly recent and the land grab was from Clive Bundy. But go ahead vote for Putin and live in his Russia. better yet move to Russia if you like the way he does things so well.

That's what the Obama administration what you to think... they haven't been honest about anything yet... why do you think they would be honest about that.

ITs already been proven Bundy has been legally using that land for decades... as have many, many other people.

Obama leaves....MOST of the population wouldn't give a damn if he took a long walk off a short pier. Not even most of the slow witted people who voted for him. THe only people left that bleieve in him are the true believers....who would believe anything he says despite what their own eyes and experience tell them.

No, Bundy hasn't been using it legally because he didn't pay the rent due and no one chased after him.

Do you believe that propaganda too? We have a thread that disproved the governments propaganda about that.

land grab was from Clive Bundy

The land grab was from several others, it didn't work on Clive Bundy.
How the Mojave ranchers were wiped out for the sake off a desert tortoise | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2644508/How-Mojave-ranchers-wiped-sake-desert-tortoise.html)

Smoothy your revision of the facts and denial of court orders is truly amazing and on current events you are factually challenged.

Speaking of denial of court orders, did you notice in the article:


About a year later, the BLM again issued a clearance order, and the ranchers won a second victory in court. It didn't matter in the long term: the BLM began tightening grazing rules and working with Clark County to convince the ranchers to leave.

Nevada Cattlemen’s Association gives statement on rancher Bundy | Las Vegas Review-Journal (http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/bundy-blm/nevada-cattlemen-s-association-gives-statement-rancher-bundy)


The association emphasized, however, that it doesn't support those who break the law and abuse grazing privileges.
“In accordance with the rule of law, we must use the system set forth in our Constitution to change those laws and regulations. Nevada Cattlemen's Association does not condone actions that are outside the law in which citizens take the law into their own hands,” the group's statement said.
The Nevada Cattlemen's Association is a nonprofit trade association that was established in 1935. The group has 567 dues-paying members who convene annually to “review, renew and create policy for our organization,” according to Torell.
Torell said Bundy is not a member of the association, which consists of cattle and sheep ranchers who hold grazing permits and pay fees for grazing privileges on public, federal lands.

There is a lawful way of doing things, and a Bundy way of doing things. What would PUTIN do?

"But go ahead vote for Putin and live in his Russia. better yet move to Russia if you like the way he does things so well."
Exactly, tal.

catonsville: If you impression of a patriot is a friend who admires a leader who supports Iran, Syria, forms alliance with Communist China, comes down on dissent in his country with an iron fist just to name a few, you need a lesson in allegiance to your country. Did you serve in the U.S. military? Would you serve if of the appropriate age today? The comments you just posted would earn you a cell in the gulag even today (if spoken instead against the the leader of Russia) in the land of your much admired favorite leader.

My friend has just read your response and they said: " Good, you got my point, there is no difference in what we will have in this country if left up to Obama."

P.S. Just for the record, I have served in the Military and as far as my allegiance to this country it has it, 110%.
My friend has not served but their love of this country is right up with mine. We are going down the road to
failure with the "eunuchs" in congress.

What would PUTIN do?

Tighten up grazing restrictions and send in the commissars. Oh wait, that's what happened.

a leader who supports Iran, Syria, forms alliance with Communist China, comes down on dissent in his country with an iron fist just to name a few,

Smearcase, which leader were you referring to here?

My friend has just read your response and they said: " Good, you got my point, there is no difference in what we will have in this country if left up to Obama."

P.S. Just for the record, I have served in the Military and as far as my allegiance to this country it has it, 110%.
My friend has not served but their love of this country is right up with mine. We are going down the road to
failure with the "eunuchs" in congress.

I provided direct secure communications support, before... during desert shield through desert storm , and afterwards at a major US Army communications site in Europe who where the primary communications site for the region at the time (before satellite based communications became the standard)... people that believed every word they heard on the news were sadly deluded. On average the news coverage wasn't completely fictional, its just all the details they usually got wrong during that period. THese days they just tend to make things up since there is no law against doing so....and unlike the past....you can't shame someone that can't be shamed into doing the right thing.

Thank you for your service.
I can't determine if I had a dream or a premonition dream but it told me that the missing Lerner E-Mails are under Michele Obama's bed? Very strange dream.

You really believe that Obama supports Iran?
For Americans, there is no requirement to respect the man/woman in the office of president, but respect for the commander-in-chief is paramount.
Preference for a communist dictator over a current US president is treason in my humble opinion, as a veteran of the US Navy.
And when I hear blasphemy of the current c.i.c. to the extent that I hear it here on AMHD every day I have to wonder how many citizens would stand up for their country, and how comments like the ones on this topic (from Americans as applicable) erode American principles.
This is the oath that military inductees take upon entry into the US Armed Forces. Less than 1/2 of one percent of Americans serve in the military today. If called upon, could the other 99 1/2% honestly take that oath with so much venom in their hearts for the current president, to the extent that they express a desire to elect a dictator?
"I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

Tighten up grazing restrictions and send in the commissars. Oh wait, that's what happened.


Bundy wouldn't be grazing on Putins land in the first place and would have no redress in court either. He and his militias would be in Siberia never seen or heard of again and it wouldn't take 20 years to get there.

when I hear blasphemy of the current c.i.c.

Annnd - we have more proof of the cult of personality surrounding Mr. Obama. Did you get a tingle up your leg hearing him speak like Chris Matthews said he did?

FYI - My service was as a Corpsman with the Marines under Jimmy Carter. I didn't say anything until I got out, as was required by the UCMJ. Afterwards - different story.

"For Americans, there is no requirement to respect the man/woman in the office of president, but respect for the commander-in-chief is paramount."

Is the I.I.C/C.I.C carrying out his duties following the Constitution? "I have a Pen and
a Phone" does not cut it as following the Constitution. Releasing 5 "4-Star Generals"
from Gitmo to go back out to fight again doesn't follow it either. Tell me how this is
In the best interest of our country. Don't question my loyalty question his.

Seems to me an opinion on the constitutionality of an executive decision is for the court to decide. Further equating tribal titles to actual government positions in a loose knit regional authority that spanned two countries is rather dubious given the authoritative fundamentalist nature of the Taliban and since none were captured by the US on the battlefield, but by local forces as they fled, then their actual value is dubious at best, and trumped up at worst. Lets not forget the Taliban did quite well without these fellows for 12 year.

My last points are in regard to the persistence of the same congressmen who decry this trade now have been imploring and criticizing the president for years for NOT doing more to get this soldier released, and when he is, the big flip flop and soaring rhetoric about him and his families character. Sensational stories and hollering points with no facts as yet.

Finally what part of leave no one behind is so hard to understand for the peanut gallery? I am glad this president put a higher value on the lives of those he commands than do the rest of you naysayers who would rather have Putin telling you what to do than this commander in chief.

Wear your I LOVE VLAD tee shirts proudly, and ignore what PUTIN would do about YOUR rights, and constitution. Or even what he thinks of you stupid, fat, arrogant Americans. His words not mine.

So the republicans have a love for Putin. Interesting. He doesn't like you guys very much though.

Question: A Vote for Obama or Putin? (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politics/vote-obama-putin-794370-post3659839.html#post3659839) {"why": "This is incorrect", "source": "It is obvious"}

Jun 15, 2014 02:25 PM NeedKarma (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/needkarma.html)



Really now... considering there is extensive proof of this and there is a thread in CUrrent events spelling it out. Canadians might not be as well versed on events in the USA as they think they are apparently... but there is ample proof of them... if you would bother looking beyond your nose.

If YOU are so convinced there wasn't...you prove it was investigated by a verified and known neutral entity and cleared...in other thread its been proved he did, and it came out as a result of the Bundy fiasco where the government WAY oversteped its legal bounderies.

Ok, post your evidence that Obama wants to sell Nevada to the chinese.

YOU prove every one of your claims you made in this thread first... Particularly the one you made when dishing out a not helpful that's already been proven in another thread here YOU participated in previously. You claimed he didn't and that its obvious... so certainly you can produce unbiased proof of that im assuming?