Why oh why are we allowing this to happen? We are being flooded with children due to this administrations briliance yet again. Where is the money going to come from this time? How do we stop it?

Obama's 'amnesty' for illegal immigrant minors sparks TWELVE-FOLD spike in numbers pouring across border | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653063/Republicans-claim-Obama-policy-enticed-tens-thousands-homeless-illegal-immigrant-children-cross-border-landing-secret-government-holding-pens.html)

Obama, Mexico Facilitate Illegal Immigration: 300 More Illegal Migrant Kids Flood U.S. Border - Shark Tank (http://shark-tank.com/2014/06/09/obama-mexico-facilitate-illegal-immigration-300-illegal-migrant-kids-flood-u-s-border/)

The TV newscaster I heard this from said their parents are already in the U.S.? So why were the children still in Mexico (and SA)? And who would let all these lttle kids fend for themselves, crossing the Rio Grande AND the desert? Who is masterminding this?

THey should ALL be rounded up and dumped off in Venezuela no matter where they came from.

Not the children, but the adults who are making this happen.

ALL of them need to go back to where they belong. If they can't follow the law and the legal way and apply FROM THEIR HOME COUNTRY... not one single one of them deserves to be here at all ever.

Im not sure as to the exact origins of all of them but our southern neighbors seem to be dumping them here. It is yet another entitlement gone awry. The parents of these children should never be allowed into this country as what they are currently doing is child abuse on a international level. If there is no way to send them back then we should atleast bill the country of origin for them being here. It is insanity beyond imagination.

I know I for one am absolutely sick and tired of paying THOUSANDS of dollars a year in higher property taxes because the schools are overflowing with people that legally don't even belong here to begin with.

On the 5:30 news, a Guatemalan woman with a toddler said she was told that the US is eagerly inviting women and children to this country. I missed who is saying that.

The Obama administration is south of the border. Its another ploy a voter fraud by stuffing polling places with people what never should have been allowed here since they see the writing on the wall and votor ID is coming and the dead can't vote any longer and people can't vote under a number of names any longer. So they hand out green cards in exchange fopr votes to people who have no concept of the law because they refuse to follow it.

I am pretty sure that the children are not following their parents ;but instead are being sent ahead of them. The emperor and his minions will then make the case that we should allow the parents in so as to not separate families.
This is a humanitarian crisis that is caused exclusively by the lack of seriousness by the adm in securing the border .

How could we possibly reject big-eyed children?

It is easier then you think when you are overwhelmed at the level of resources. You have to deny one so another can live. If your forced to make a choice then you make it.

I can do it easy... I work damn hard for my money... I pay damn high taxes... taxes that are far higher than they would have to be if they rounded up all the illegals and sent them back across the border.

My feeling is... YOU BREED THEM, YOU FEED THEM.

I don't want to.

It's bad enough I have to pay for the lazy people that belong here....I'll be damned if I am going to be supportive about paying for those who have no right to be here too. Send them home and let them starve there. They are their problem, not ours.

can we send our unwanted kids there too?

As an unprecedented wave of undocumented children from Central America spills over our Texas border, a veteran lawmen's organization has declared it an "orchestrated" event. If so, who benefits?
To date, there hasn't been a word from the White House or its agencies urging families in Honduras, Guatemala or El Salvador not to send their children alone through Mexico's merciless badlands infested with cartel criminals to reach the U.S. There's some Twitter activity and little else.
But the newspapers and television stations throughout Central America are falsely reporting that amnesty will be theirs if they can just make it through the Mexican obstacle course — and that the time to do it is now.
It doesn't matter that these children are likely to succumb to desert heat, be snatched by vicious human traffickers, forced into prostitution, slavery or the drug trade, or simply murdered as has already happened to thousands, as the white crosses at the border can attest.
Not since the radio broadcasts that triggered Rwanda's Tutsi massacres in 1994 has such false information been spread unchecked by authorities who might be able with just their words to make a difference.
U.S. embassy websites still have no warnings to Central Americans about not sending children north, and until recently the U.S. embassy in Guatemala's website prominently featured links to President Obama's campaign website with his speech declaring to Guatemalans that "our immigration system is broken."
So no wonder the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers, after 50,000 apprehensions of border crossers in south Texas, declared this week that "certainly we are not gullible enough to believe that thousands of unaccompanied minor Central American children came to America without the encouragement, aid and assistance of the United States government."
An Orchestrated Immigration Wave At The Texas Border? Not So Paranoid To Think So - Investors.com (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/061314-704725-texas-border-immigration-wave-may-well-be-orchestrated.htm?p=full)

The tinfoil hat types are posting on various blogs that the President does not want to provide green cards and votes any longer, but that he's looking for more of the wackos too far gone for the Bundy ranch to start a massacre that he can declare a "National Emergency" and suspend elections. As self-centered as Mr. Obama is portrayed, this idea is not being discounted anymore.

I think his next argument will be 'family values' . You can't keep these kids from their parents ;so they should be allowed entry next .

Meanwhile NRO is reporting the MS-13 members are amongst the 'youths ' gaining entry .
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380337/teenage-latin-border-horde-ryan-lovelace

Moving people north to America is a BIG business in south and central Americas, and is happening all over the world NOT just here. People are always fleeing gangs, drug lords and wars, looking for a safe place and it's a huge issue all over.

Hell, most of the American citizens have ancestors who were running from something and came here. NOTHING!! What's changed since the great European migration and the Cuban one after, or the latinos recently. Now its Central Americans and whose hollering the most? The former immigrants.

Except most of our ancestors followed the law and came here legally... not illegaly. HUGE difference.

There was hardly any law when your ancestors came here smoothy.

Of course former imigrants are going to hollar as they did it in a legal fashion. Why would you support such a movement that carries with it god knows what by storming the country and making demands on its current citizens. They need to send each and every one of them back to send a message to the countries of origin.

THey (our ancestors) didn't break any laws then did they... we've had laws since before the USA was the USA, its not like there wasn't any laws until 20 years ago, or last week. These trash ARE breaking current laws. And they have no respect for any other laws euther.

I just told smoothy his folks came before all these laws, and probably so did yours as many of mine did too, so because you came first you get to say who is legal and who is not. What if the laws now were the same for the new immigrants as the old ones?

Then they wouldn't even be illegal.

There was hardly any law when your ancestors came here smoothy.
I can't speak for Smoothy ,but my ancestors did some time on Ellis Island being documented and screened for disease.

Mind did too... they ALL arrived here after WW I from the UK and Germany, and at that time... they all came through Ellis Island.

Its funny how one set of immigrants treats other immigrants so much differently than they themselves were treated.

We found a solution and perhaps if you followed a successful solution the flow would stop.

We did two things, one we insist on offshore processing of illegal arrivals and two we return any boats to point of origin if it can be confirmed. Along with this is our insistence that if you arrive illegally you will not be allowed to settle here even if you are a refugee. The message got through after a short time and the flow stopped. This may not address the humanitarian crisis if it exists but it stops the flow

Funny how one set of immigrants thinks the law doesn't apply to them and they are somehow above it... and no its not a side effect of speaking the spanish language (at least thats the lions share here in the USA).

It's a simple thing to change the law, since it was changed after you got here to keep undesirables out, by making what they have always done illegal. But what would one expect from the example of immigrants who wrote all men are created equal except certain ones who were defined as less than men. We seem to have a history of making exceptions and obstacles, for the less than.

smoothy desperate people do desperate things and so your PR has to be greater than those who lie and exploit them. Illegal immigration is a criminal activity it isn't just poor people crossing a border and whether it is the US, Europe or Australia, the tale is the same, take the enabliers out of the equation and the flow stops. In Europe they havn't stopped them because they are not sending them back. In the US you have to catch them and you have the population of a small country who are illegal and sympathetic. Stop enabling them, stop employing them, but here we have stopped them because they know that they can no longer succeed. They become very angry when they learn how they were decieved by the criminals

But what would one expect from the example of immigrants who wrote all men are created equal except certain ones who were defined as less than men.

I will try AGAIN to explain to you that the 3/5th compromise was a way to dilute the influence that the slave states have in the Republic. On second thought ...why bother ? We are destined to see you post this lie about the clause whenever it suits your purpose to diminish the founders of this country .

Long after the founding fathers have compromised we are still dealing with all men are created equal except who they say is not.

again, you are making it up . Our immigration laws favor minority admission.

Our immigration laws favor cheap labor, and corporate interest. Even you have admitted the disparity in the process over time.

The haters are out in full force on this father's day. Sad indeed.

Our immigration laws favor cheap labor, and corporate interest. Even you have admitted the disparity in the process over time.
I'd say it's your position on immigration that favor that . I am in favor of restricting immigration to numbers that don't encourage cheap labor .. You not so much. How can you say you're a proponent of African American labor when you openly encourage unrestricted cheap labor entering the country ? Yeah the Chamber of Commerce favors it as do big business. But we've already established that Big Business contributes mightily to the Democrat coffers .
The perception is that the Dems have the monopoly on empathy and caring for minority rights . But that is a cruel illusion. If you examine their polices instead of listening to their speeches ,that becomes quite clear .3 members of the US Civil Rights Commission said that a Senate bill to give amnesty would disproportionately hurt African Americans.
"Illegal immigration to the United States in recent decades has tended to depress both wages and employment rates for low-skilled American citizens, a disproportionate number of whom are black men," ..."Expert economic opinions concerning the negative effects range from modest to significant. Those panelists that found modest effects overall nonetheless found significant effects in industry sectors such as meatpacking and construction."
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/files/USCCR_CBCLetter042013.pdf
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NK as usual you contribute nothing to the debate ..

My immigration stance doesn't depress wages, corporations do, and after running all over the world to get cheap labor it would make no difference what the immigration policy was. So lets not confuse the lust of profits with a living wage or even the fantasy of entry level wages when there is a depressed job market. That's just what you get when corporations are people too, and can write law for the government.

Bet Cantor makes more money being a lobbyist than he did being a lawmaker. Oh that's right he made no laws, just obstructed laws that benefited middle class, main street victims, who got robbed and mugged by big money during the financial crisis.

And just for facts the drug war and stop and frisk hurts minorities a lot more than fair immigration policy. The financial melt down hurt minorities more than a fair immigration policy. The rising cost of every darn thing hurts all the middle class people that have had no raise in a decade. Subsidizing the labor costs and taxes of multibillion dollar companies is what hurts the working poor. You want people to worker harder and make the boss more money, then talk about how lazy and worthless they are.

That's what wrong with republicans nowadays. And that who hurt minorities and hard working people EVERYWHERE.

NK as usual you contribute nothing to the debate ..Don't care, I post what I want. The righties here are a broken record of "blame all ills on liberals".

My immigration stance doesn't depress wages, corporations do, and after running all over the world to get cheap labor it would make no difference what the immigration policy was. So lets not confuse the lust of profits with a living wage or even the fantasy of entry level wages when there is a depressed job market. That's just what you get when corporations are people too, and can write law for the government.

one cliché talking point after another .. you are a broken record.

Bet Cantor makes more money being a lobbyist than he did being a lawmaker. Oh that's right he made no laws, just obstructed laws that benefited middle class, main street victims, who got robbed and mugged by big money during the financial crisis.
I favor his ousting . He was just another big government representative.

stop and frisk hurts minorities
complete nonsense . The facts get in the way of your screed . Here is the headlines since the commie mayor ended stop and frisk.
Shootings in some of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods are up this year over last, NYPD figures show - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/shooting-deaths-sharply-canarsie-east-new-york-east-bronx-article-1.1824729)

Those are the minority neighborhoods that have seen the increase in blood shed . More evidence that the left don't give a damn about minorities. 43 % increase in shootings since stop and frisk ended as a policy .


You want people to worker harder and make the boss more money, then talk about how lazy and worthless they are.
You have never seen those words in my posts .

Tal, your "fair immigration policies" are just as ineffective as Tom's "restricting immigration" because neither viewpoint addresses the cause of the problem. The INS has made it impossible for legal immigration applications to be processed in any sort of reasonable amount of time. The 10 year figure officially used is reasonable, except that filing the application now takes three years, getting it accepted now takes another two (unlawfully, it's supposed to be accepted if no action is taken within 90 days), and the whole process starts from zero if a comma is misplaced or an accent mark faces the wrong way. Tal can argue that Govcorp has designed the process to not work that way and Tom can argue that the bloated bureaucracy has made the legitimate process untenable. You'd both be correct, but the current legal process is causing the illegal one.

come on now, admit it, you don't want immigrants, you want emmigrants

If they could read and write and were even moderately well educated, as is needed in today's world. It might be a little different. Most of them can barely read and write their own language, much less ours..

well look at the potential for growth in an education program and your under performing educators wouldn't have to work harder their standards already exceed expectations, you could educate them to go back and lift the IQ of both countries a win-win

Tal, your "fair immigration policies" are just as ineffective as Tom's "restricting immigration" because neither viewpoint addresses the cause of the problem. The INS has made it impossible for legal immigration applications to be processed in any sort of reasonable amount of time. The 10 year figure officially used is reasonable, except that filing the application now takes three years, getting it accepted now takes another two (unlawfully, it's supposed to be accepted if no action is taken within 90 days), and the whole process starts from zero if a comma is misplaced or an accent mark faces the wrong way. Tal can argue that Govcorp has designed the process to not work that way and Tom can argue that the bloated bureaucracy has made the legitimate process untenable. You'd both be correct, but the current legal process is causing the illegal one.

yes Tal builds that strawman that my opposition to illegal immigration = opposition to immigration. The truth is that I have no issue with streamlining the process.
But there is no denying that the human tragedy unfolding with the wave of children from Central America is a direct result of all these 'Dream Act ' proponents. While media in Honduras El Salvadore and Guatemala tout that the time to run the gauntlet of the Mexican badlands is now ;they are being told amnesty is there for the taking if they make it . There has been NO serious attempt by the administration to counter this pr push. Quite the opposite .... the US EMBASSY in Guatemala has a link to a speech by the emperor stating that our immigration system is broken.

Tal sees immigration laws as restrictions to immigration . I don't . I see them as the only rational response to address the demand

abandon yourselves to history, you cannot stop those masses, you sold them the dream and now it's going to bite you on the bum, that's what you get for the B/S

Coyotes making money have nothing to do with the "dreamers" at all and these mostly kids don't even qualify for that status. I think it's the failure of the congress to identify and address these processing issues more effectively, and lets face it, they have addressed very few issues in the last few years, not just immigration. Look around, everybody is running from something, or other around the world seeking a safe haven from wars, gangs, and weak ineffective governance.

Processing people is but a symptom of a much larger global problem we haven't seen since the world wars. At least we haven't paid much attention to it. The root cause is basic poverty, and that's widespread in large pockets across the globe. We have the same firestorm brewing here in the Americas as we have in the middle east, and the far east.

seeking a safe haven from ... weak ineffective governance.


Why in the world would they think the U.S. would provide one? Depending on which side of the aisle you sit on, the other side blocks everything. Tal's Republican House versus Tom's Harry Reid Senate really does add up to "weak ineffective governance."

let us try to rap this up in a nice neat bundle, you have laws therefore it is incumbent upon the administration to enforce those laws, should they fail then you have the ballot box. You don't need more laws so saying there is a stalemate is just a copout

we have laws . Time to enforce them.

we are in full agreement Tom

The laws have flaws, and enforcement of immigration laws have a lower priority than some would wish and are undermanned, and underfunded.

Immigration Reform in President Obama's FY 2015 Budget | Insights | American Action Forum (http://americanactionforum.org/insights/immigration-reform-in-president-obamas-fy-2015-budget)

Republicans Block Ploy To Get Immigration Reform Into Budget (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/02/republicans-immigration-budget_n_5079223.html)

yes every thing is underfunded until it becomes a priority austerity is a bltch how does it feel to be a third world country unable to protect your borders

You tell us, since you can't stop the flow of immigrants either, or process them any faster. Or guard your detention centers any better.

We know our Dems . Children crossing the border ? Time to lower the voting age.

And who was it... Barbara Boxer or was it Nancy Pelosi that spewed off about allowing Illegals their "Constiutional RIGHT to vote" not all that aweful long ago ... this is why they don't want votor ID's... so all these illegals as well as the NEW illegals can vote for them.

You tell us, since you can't stop the flow of immigrants either, or process them any faster. Or guard your detention centers any better.


your inward turned media advising you, is it? we have had no illegal immigrant boats for six months, we have begun shutting some detention centres. You can't process someone who deliberately destroys their documents, and please tell me how you guard these centres from internally organised riots, the fact is the locals don't like the attitude of the detainees, whereas all you get is the sheep. You see the way it works to stop them is you can't get on a plane without a passport and a visa, if you come by boat illegally, you will not be resettled here and you will be placed in detention and if you behave in a criminal manner you will have your visa cancelled

Everyone needs to take it as serious as Malta does... they have been sinking every boat heading their way before they reach their coastal waters.

We need to shoot anyone crossing the border anywhere that's NOT an accepted controlled crossing point.

yes guard towers and machine guns is the answer, now how do you stop the tunnels?

You stop tunnels with ground penatrating radar and with seismic detection devices. Shutting down the boarder isnt rocket science but it does take determination that up until now one side has been resisting.

determination, yes, but if you have laws why are they not enforced, does it take an executive order to get anything done. You say one side has been resisting but it isn't as though the illegal immigrant population didn't grow during the republican years too. Was sleepy lax on illegals too. No the problem is bigger

Bill Summary & Status - 113th Congress (2013 - 2014) - S.744 - THOMAS (Library of Congress) (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s.744:)

A Guide to S.744: Understanding the 2013 Senate Immigration Bill | Immigration Policy Center (http://immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/guide-s744-understanding-2013-senate-immigration-bill)

We seem to be waiting on the House. Oh that's controlled by REPUBLICANS.

That is an excuse Tal, what you seem to be saying is there are no laws and you need new ones. Perhaps the Republicans like the laws the way they are, or maybe they are just being obstinate, either way as I have said before GOYA

Tal... there is this basic legal requirement that all bills that require spending that will come from the federal buget to originate in the HOUSE... not the Senate.

And Prince Harry Ried has been blocking almost all of them writen, voted on and passed by the house since the Republicans won control of the house.....Right ...REPUBLICANS control the house....not the democraps. Harry and Barry the brothas of a different motha don't dictate to them.

the politics of obstruction this is why they say congress is the opposite of progress

Here it's the Senate that blocks any progress on any matter...

One man who has delusions of having godlike omnipotence who probibly wanks off to a poster of his messiah. Namely Harry Ried.

Your Senate is not the only obstructionist body in the universe, it appears to be part of your particular bi-camerial form of government. This is what happens when the electorial system misaligns the distribution of power, which it seems is a deliberate part of the design to prevent progress or change. In order to overcome this you have to have a massive majority

As it should be... it prevents meglomaniacs like Obama from behaving like an Emporer and ruling by decree.

But understand... the Bicameral part (house and Senate) are only 1/3 of the three branches of government that by the constitution are coequal. Not subservient to the other two. Legilative, Executive and Judicial branches.

But you keep telling us he is ruling by decree, please make up your mind, either he is or he isn't. I understand the system of government we implemented a version of it a hundred years on and changed some of the less attractive parts, however we failed to understand that a Senate can be obstructionist no matter how it is structured

we also changed the executive structure so that the executive can be sacked triggering an election

THe Justice Department is owned by Obama lock stock and barrel... they have absolutely no desire to uphold the laws or do anything to stem Obamas abuse of power.

Now as far as his "decree" he has been abusing... when a Republican wins the next election... one simple executive order can and will simple end every one of Obamas executive orders... because they are not laws... they don't have to be relealed like laws would have to be.

YOu have a parlamentary system and we don't... they might have similarities... but also have a lot of differences. And the ability to "obstruct" something is there by design... to slow something stupid from being railroaded through that would be difficult to change in the future.

THe mere fact some party does obstruct (The Democrats forget how often THEY pulled this stunt in the past) doesn't mean the fact the ability exists is bad... it serves a very good purpose, when its not abused.

And just not doing exectly what the other party demands be done... isn't obstructing. Refusing to let anything passed bu one side of the house see the light of day or even a vote PURELY because it was written by the other party... as Prince HArry has been doing, is what triely defines obstructionism.

If they were heard, and brought ot a vote and failed because of insufficient votes is one thing... refusing to allow them to get to a discussion or vote based on ONE persons prejudice... is another.

THe saving grace is When the Repbulicans win in a year and a half....Eric holder is going to be unemployed and likely brought up on charges, and hopefully so will Obama.....because neither one will be abusing their office to perpetrate the crimes any longer.

yes smoothy a parliamentary system does have advantages, democracy is preserved for a longer time, it can be usurped by a massive majority allowing bad laws to be passed on a whim; to wit our Carbon Tax and Mining Tax as a well as a number of other bad decisions made by a socialist government that the bi-camerial system protects but it can stop some bad ideas

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/06/19/dhs-pay-illegal-immigrants-escorted-u-s/


DHS to Pay for Illegal Immigrants to be Escorted into U.S.

Posted on June 19, 2014 (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/06/19/dhs-pay-illegal-immigrants-escorted-u-s/) by Paul Joseph Watson (http://www.dcclothesline.com/author/paul-joseph-watson/)
Minors up to age of 17 to be brought in “with dignity and respect” at taxpayer expense



http://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/190614illegal.jpg (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-pay-for-illegal-immigrants-to-be-escorted-into-u-s/)


The Department of Homeland Security is set to pay for illegal minors up to the age of 17 to be escorted into the United States, according to a new solicitation posted at FedBizOpps.



Entitled 'Escort Services for Unaccompanied Alien Children' (https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=c6d7c0050b912fbc917a46d6709d38bd&tab=core&tabmode=list&=s=opportunity&mode=form&id=c6d7c0050b912fbc917a46d6709d38bd&tab=core&tabmode=list&), the solicitation reads;


ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] is seeking the services of a responsible vendor that shares the philosophy of treating all UAC with dignity and respect, while adhering to standard operating procedures and policies that allow for an effective, efficient, and incident free transport. The Contractor shall provide unarmed escort staff, including management, supervision, manpower, training, certifications, licenses, drug testing, equipment, and supplies necessary to provide on-demand escort services for non-criminal/non-delinquent unaccompanied alien children ages infant to 17 years of age, seven (7) days a week, 365 days a year. Transport will be required for either category of UAC or individual juveniles, to include both male and female juveniles. There will be approximately 65,000 UAC in total: 25% local ground transport, 25% via ICE charter and 50% via commercial air.


The post does not explain how ICE arrived at the figure of 65,000 children, nor does it clear up why 50% of the illegal minors are arriving via commercial air. The DHS intends to award the chosen vendor(s) 5 year fix priced contracts.The program to use taxpayer money to escort illegal minors into the United States dovetails with a recent Infowars exclusive (http://www.infowars.com/city-official-admits-us-border-patrol-fronting-cash-to-bus-illegals/) concerning how South Texas Church groups (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/06/17/establishment-church-groups-aiding-illegal-immigrant-invasion-u-s/) are transporting countless illegals (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/06/09/outrage-arizona-us-dumps-hundreds-illegal-migrant-kids-az-warehouses/) into the United States before letting them go “wherever they want to go.”Non-profit groups and churches are chauffeuring illegal immigrants from a bus station in McAllen, Texas before giving them temporary shelter and later releasing them onto the streets.Infowars reporters witnessed children and their mothers, primarily consisting of illegals from Guatemala, being picked up throughout the day by vans marked TFC (the Family Church), before being driven to nearby facilities.An employee of the organization admitted to Infowars that once the illegals are taken into temporary care, where they enjoy hot showers, food and a place to sleep, they are subsequently released and allowed to go “wherever they want to go.”It subsequently emerged (http://www.infowars.com/caught-red-handed-border-patrol-paying-to-ship-illegals-deep-into-u-s/) that the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol was paying for bus tickets and vouchers in order to help the illegals be transported into the country.The revelation arrives in the aftermath of reports (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-border-chaos-20140614-story.html#page=1) that the Rio Grande Valley has experienced an “endless surge” of immigrants attempting to illegally cross the border.Facebook @ https://www.facebook.com/paul.j.watson.71
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hey what's the problem we pay illegal immigrants to go home

If we were to pay anything... we should pay them to leave... not come here.

I have a truck. Can I be a GS-16 Coyote?

How much would we get paid if we drive them all the way through and drop them off at the Canadian Border? I hear the Northern Territories could use some settlers.

now you are thinking, just image trailer loads of new settlers for Canada, NK would get a kick out of that

Sure, why not.

there you are a cooperative solution

note he agreed to dumping them in the northern territories ..... not Quebec province.

so from one extreme to the other, I'm of the firm belief that migrants should go where the need exists not just to the established centres

they are not needed here. Unemployment has not significantly dropped since the crash ;and it's completely out of control for certain populations .All these "migrants " will do is further drain the resources of the taxpayers by consuming public assistance . Already they are bringing with them diseases that were eradicated here years ago .TB, malaria, yellow fever, food and waterborne diseases, and dengue fever, are just a few of the diseases crossing the border with them.

Canada to Scale Back Foreign Worker Program - WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/articles/canada-to-scale-back-foreign-worker-program-1403296613)

Jason Kenney effectively phasing out temporary foreign workers in low-wage jobs - Politics - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jason-kenney-effectively-phasing-out-temporary-foreign-workers-in-low-wage-jobs-1.2682950)

so what will you do with all those "refugees" you would so willingly invite in ?

We could do here what we have always done with immigrants who show up mostly by boat. Check 'em for disease, and giving them working papers, and some food and a cot till they get their legs under 'em.

I like how you justify kicking them in the butt because of the minorities being harmed who have been here since the birth of the nation and whose butts you have whipped and kicked even now. Please spare me the compassion of conservative whose founders wrote "we the people" and "all men are created equal".

Time you started keeping your own words. Or tear up the paper you make a complete mockery of.

We have not "always " done that . There have been varying degrees of numbers allowed in the country in the past . By allowing them the "right " to cross the border and violate the laws denies others who have been true to the process their right of entry .

How about poking a stick up congressional a$$ and getting true reforms, policies and solutions that's I as far to the Brown people as it was for the white people? Obviously immigrants have been coming here for centuries despite the hardships, obstacles, dangers. Just as obvious that's not going to change, but can be made orderly and human.

what a steaming pile of cr+p . You don't favor honoring and enforcing laws that exist . The only acceptable reform for you is open borders and unrestricted admission.

Actually you're right, I was against the fence too. What's a steaming pile of crap though is the immigrants who came here and didn't have to climb a fence are hollering about fellow AMERICANS (Mexico is in the Americas as well as all the Central and Southern AMERICAN countries, look on any MAP) who did.

You actually think you steaming pile of crap smells better than mine? Better check your shorts again.

Put up or shut up time, Tal. How many new immigrants are you prepared to PERSONALLY house and feed? They have to live somewhere; how big is your couch?

tal's not into couch surfing, eh tal the bleeding hearts arn't offering accommodation themselves, they just want to be seen doing something

Meet me in the middle and WE figure it out. Will you help, or just holler? Put up or shut up.

been there done that . See Simpson-Mazzoli Act . We honored our part . The Dems did not live up to theirs .

How so was it JUST the dems fault?

yup .Amnesty was granted in exchange for strengthened enforcement . But that never happened ,and I see no support for enforcement by the Dems.

More border security and patrols under Obama than previous presidents, says Debbie Wasserman Schultz | PolitiFact Florida (http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/01/debbie-wasserman-schultz/more-border-security-and-patrols-under-obama-previ/)

Doesn't matter if they are all lounging around drinking beer and eating donuts while illegals run right past them.

Under Obama, border apprehensions have fallen from their high points. Border apprehensionspeaked (http://www.migrationpolicy.org/pubs/enforcementpillars.pdf) at almost 1.7 million in 2000 under President Clinton, and apprehensions in 2011 were at the lowest level since 1970. The post-2008 declines are due to the recession and loss of jobs which had attracted unauthorized immigrants. Net illegal immigration from Mexico has fallen to zero or even fewer coming than leaving.
Expert analysis
We sent Wasserman Schultz's claim to immigration experts. No one disputed the border patrol numbers, but they also pointed to other factors when examining changes in border security that provide a more complex picture.
"Yes, the number of Border Patrol agents is at an all-time high," said Rey Koslowski, an expert on the border and an associate professor of political science and public policy at the University at Albany. "Whether that equates to 'border security' is another question. As to who should get more credit for border security, the fence was a bipartisan project."
Christopher Wilson, an associate with the Wilson Center's Mexico Institute and an expert on border management, noted that border patrol agents don't precisely equal border security (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/metrics-gap-stymies-border-security-87425.html).
"In the end, though, you can't deploy border security, it must be something that is achieved. This gets into one of the major problems with the whole border security debate—the lack of an accepted definition of the term."
Our ruling
Wasserman Schultz said, "President Obama has the most border patrols and border security deployed at the border of any previous president."
She is correct that the highest number of border patrol agents has been under Obama: there were 21,444 in 2011. Wasserman Schultz was careful here and said "most" and didn't talk about the growth rate. But it's worth noting that the big growth was during Bush's tenure: between 2001 and 2009, the number of agents posted nationally rose from about 9,800 to a little more than 20,000.
Other border security measures are not as simple to quantify. The key piece of infrastructure -- the fence -- was launched under Bush. Work on the fence and other border security improvements continued under Obama.
We rate this claim Mostly True.

Meet me in the middle and WE figure it out.

Typically, whenever a Leftist says "WE" it means he talks and I pay for it. It's been the modus operandi of the Democrats since Woodrow Wilson.

I am not a leftist and neither of us was here during Wilson. Most people think I am fairly reasonable and open minded. :D

Tal... can we ask your wife and see what she says?

When she gets done with my foot rub, sure.

low blow smoothy

What are they trying to hide ?

A Health and Human Services official refused to allow a member of Congress to enter a facility in his district where some of the unaccompanied immigrant children are being housed.
Representative Jim Bridenstine (R., Okla.) was told he could schedule an appointment for July 21. “​What are they trying to hide?” Bridenstine said after the incident. “​Do they not want the children to speak with Members of Congress? As a Navy pilot, I have been involved in operations countering illicit human trafficking. I would like to know to whom these children are being released.”
There are 1,200 immigrant children at the base. Bridenstine’s office explained that HHS releases the children to a “sponsor” in the United States. The congressman said that a security guard at the Fort Sill, Okla., facility refused to let him enter the barracks without HHS approval even though he is a member of Congress.
“There is no excuse for denying a federal representative from Oklahoma access to a federal facility in Oklahoma where unaccompanied children are being held,” Bridenstine said in the press release. “Any Member of Congress should have the legal authority to visit a federal youth detention facility without waiting three weeks.”

HHS Bars Congressman from Seeing Immigrant Children | National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/381773/hhs-bars-congressman-seeing-immigrant-children-joel-gehrke)#!

Or who are they protecting?

Sen. Inhofe, Gov. Fallin visit immigrants at Ft. Sill | www.krmg.com (http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/sen-inhofe-gov-fallin-visit-immigrants-ft-sill/ngP3c/)

We already see what repubs do after visiting process centers.

They are finding the most infectious, contagious ones to send to the White house to pay a visit to "The Messiah".

So the Senator and Governor are permitted to see the facility but not the Congressional Rep of the district where Fort Sill is located ? Again ,what are they hiding ? Or is it just that they are still pissed at Bridenstine for defeating the party's prefered candidate ? What is it ? He ran as a TP so now he is denied access to a Federal Base in his district ?

yep that's what you get fro being a fifth columnist

I thought Fort Sill was in the 4th district represented by Tom Cole?

Highlights of the Fourth District | Representative Tom Cole (http://cole.house.gov/our-district/highlights-fourth-district)


Oklahoma's Fourth District celebrates a rich cultural and military history, as well as economic diversity and vast agricultural assets and products. The largest employers in the district include Fort Sill Army Post, Tinker Air Force Base and the University of Oklahoma.

I stand corrected . I still want to know what is their reason for denying access to a Congressional Rep on a fact finding mission.

Nice spin but we all know repubs on a fact finding mission just want face time to blast Obama and he is a known blaster even more so than the repubs who went already and maybe HHS wants to avoid more right wing abuse of CHILDREN for political hollering points.

'Send them back!' California town continues immigrant protests after blocking buses - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/california-town-protests-immigrants-town-hall-article-1.1853339)


Immigration advocates and some from local churches have joined the crowds of protesters to voice their pleas for leniency and compassion.
“Even though you're seeing on TV and the public so much outburst of anti-immigrant feelings, I think there are a lot of people that want to respond and have compassionate hearts," Tina Nicholas, who oversees Mercy ministries at Centerpoint Church in Murrieta, told the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-murrieta-immigration-fight-20140702-story.html).


The only thing missing from this disgusting display of conservative hate are dogs and water hoses. "What could they be hiding " Indeed. "fact finding" my A$$!!

Its obvious... Dems resort to this tactic every time they get caught with their pants down in a room alone with the family cat.

THey are hiding something... Eric Holder is probibly providing guns to the Jr. MS-13 gang members before turning them loose on the American public.

they should be marching on Washington DC instead to protest this invasion orchestrated by the emperor.

I got an idea . Why don't we house these "migrants " in all those FEMA concentration camps that Bush was accused of building ?

Who was it blocked Bridenstine?


A volunteer of the self-dubbed “Brown Shirts” – staffers with the Baptist Family and Children Services - blocked the congressman from entering, Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/02/u-s-congressman-blocked-from-entering-child-immigrant-facility/) reports.- http://www.ijreview.com/2014/07/153241-u-s-congressman-denied-entry-child-immigrant-facility-hiding/


Brown Shirts? BROWN SHIRTS?! Fort Sill becomes Auschwitz?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung


Go ahead, tell me to put on a tinfoil hat.

Damn baptists.

Maybe its because there arent that many children left in the facility because they have been set loose into the general public already.

ICE: Many Immigrants Skip Court Hearings | NBC 7 San Diego (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ICE-Many-Immigrants-Skip-Court-Hearings-265634251.html?partner=nbcnews)


Illegal immigrants already being released to neighborhood near you | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/01/illegal-immigrants-already-being-released-to-neighborhood-near/)

The releases have already started and the Border Patrol did not disclose how many. At least 60,000 Central Americans have entered the country illegally this year, though some news reports say the figure is as high as 170,000. An effort is under way to place children in foster homes or with relatives already living in the U.S., said Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas.



The adults are being given a “notice to appear,” something like to a traffic ticket that requires they show up for a deportation hearing. Following that notice, they are simply being released. Those who return for the hearing will face a federal immigration judge to determine their fate.
“You know good and well they won't show up and we won't go looking for them,” Gohmert said. “When they get their piece of paper saying report back on such a day at such a time, they take that as their legal permit to stay in the country and they go do what they want.”
A senior Los Angeles County Sheriff's detective who routinely deals with illegal immigrants said a “massive number – 80 to 90 percent” do not show up for deportation hearings. Detention is not even being considered because Homeland Security facilities are not equipped to hold a large number of people, said the detective, who spoke on a guarantee of anonymity.