Hello:

Apparently, it CAN. Kansas lawmaker introduces bill (http://boingboing.net/2014/02/20/kansas-lawmaker-introduces-bil.html) to permit teachers to hit children hard enough to bruise.

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You might want to read it first, ex.


Gail Finney, a Democratic Kansas lawmaker from Kansas, introduced a law (http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/18/3297077/sponsor-of-kansas-spanking-bill.html) that would expand Kansas's already broad protection for teachers who hit their students,

At least they got her political affiliation in there and let us know definitely she's from Kansas.

Next?

Hello again, Steve:

Ain't nobody around here said that a Democrat can't be a right wing nutjob. And, I called it a BILL.

excon

The intent was clearly to impugn us, we had nothing to do with it. She has an average rating (http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/18621/gail-finney#.UweJmYWykug) of 4.5 from a conservative group, 25% from the NRA and 100% from the AFL-CIO. She's no right-winger.


And, I called it a BILL

OK, again - I quoted YOUR link.

As someone who attended public schools... there are some kids that need beaten a lot more. Lord knows they got no discipline at home.

yep smack the little buggers when I went to school the teachers used to use leather straps and canes must have taught us something we are a law abiding society

Speaking of nutty and nuttier, the Hollywood moonbat squad is making the rounds to visit their Venezuelan mecca again. First Danny Glover, now Sean Penn is seen taking a selfie with the dictator:

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/Sean-Penn.jpg

Naomi Campbell and Kevin Spacey can't be far behind. No comment from Penn yet on the riots, food rationing and lack of toilet paper in paradise but I'm sure it's our fault.

who cares what these so called personalities do when they are out of work

I think the idea is to demonize the opposition at every possible opportunity.

Those "celebrties" offer the best reasons to allow and even promote Piracy of movies and music... because it takes money out of their pockets. Take enough out and there might be room for some common sense to creep back in. Assuming they ever had any.

HuuH?

HuuH?

Hit them where it hurts.

and you do this how? I would have thought a failed election attempt might qualify

Failure on the national level doesn't always translate to failure on the local level. Indeed we have some really hardcore politicians that face no repercussions from failure of government. Those that shut our government down last year went back to be heroes in the districts they come from and that changed the very definition of failure.

I think the idea is to demonize the opposition at every possible opportunity.

Nah, that's Harry Reid's job. Aren't you the least bit curious why Democrats are reading Dr. Seuss at all night global warming fear mongering festivals, attacking private citizens from the Senate floor (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/harry-reid-koch-brothers-104248.html) or seem more concerned with banning the word "bossy" (http://weaselzippers.us/178882-dnc-chief-wasserman-schultz-joins-the-ban-bossy-campaign/) while women are being persecuted in Iran (http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=54483) and elsewhere, and Venezuelans who want toilet paper are being shot? Or why so-called human rights champions like Sean Penn are palling around with the guy behind it while the people suffer?

I think the idea is to demonize the opposition at every possible opportunity.That pretty much defines the Current Events board here.

so stop being part of the problem and become part of the solution

Who? Me?

Nah, that's Harry Reid's job. Aren't you the least bit curious why Democrats are reading Dr. Seuss at all night global warming fear mongering festivals, attacking private citizens from the Senate floor (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/harry-reid-koch-brothers-104248.html) or seem more concerned with banning the word "bossy" (http://weaselzippers.us/178882-dnc-chief-wasserman-schultz-joins-the-ban-bossy-campaign/) while women are being persecuted in Iran (http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=54483) and elsewhere, and Venezuelans who want toilet paper are being shot? Or why so-called human rights champions like Sean Penn are palling around with the guy behind it while the people suffer?

Both sides are very good at it. Perhaps it is the case that one side has made it an art form.

No wonder so many problems get solved. Keeps SCOTUS busy anyway

I often wonder if there arn't bigger issues.

Like why shouldn't the people of Crimea vote to change allegiences? and who's business is it anyway? You want democracy, that is an expression of democracy.

Why does an airliner disappear without trace? they had to get rid of the red herrings before they started to tell the truth

I know its none of my business, but what if one of your states or territories voted to ignore the Australian government? What would happen?

How about if it was that state that produces a lot of oil?

We had a really bloody civil war the last time that was tried here.

I know its none of my business, but what if one of your states or territories voted to ignore the Australian government? What would happen?

How about if it was that state that produces a lot of oil?

Firstly we would like a state to produce a lot of oil, but our mineral rich states serve as a proxy.

We do have states who have not gone along with federal policies, I think WA decided to opt out of the funding changes associated with the Gonski education reforms, the result they got less funding. The mining tax targetted the mineral rich states with the result that some increased state royalties which would reduce federal tax revenue, we didn't have a war over it, but the present government will abolish the tax allowing the state to keep the extra revenue anyway.

What you fail to understand is we take a less confrontational approach to solving our problems with the result that a consensus can usually be reached. We don't need to keep referring to constitutional powers to get things done. With our democracy there is a clear divide between Federal policies and state implementation with the federal sphere responsible for big picture items and the states for local boots on the ground stuff. So the federal government decides on how much funding and the states provide the inferstructure

Unlike yourselves we haven't added any states since federation so we don't have the same crop of local issues, we also are not localised in administration to the same extent simplifying a great deal

Except your constitution is written in pencil... and easily and frequently changed by a minority that get in power. Ours can not be changed by any minority. Not even Obama... though he seems to believe otherwise. Strange since he has Claimed to have been a Constitutional Law professor....something thats never been proven to be true...and his actions which clearly prove it could never be true. When the average middle school student understands the Constitution better than a sitting president does (not to mention half the Senate).

Except your constitution is written in pencil... and easily and frequently changed by a minority that get in power. Ours can not be changed by any minority. Not even Obama... though he seems to believe otherwise. Strange since he has Claimed to have been a Constitutional Law professor....something thats never been proven to be true...and his actions which clearly prove it could never be true. When the average middle school student understands the Constitution better than a sitting president does (not to mention half the Senate).

And where did you get that piece of propaganda from? our constitution has rarely changed and it is a difficult process for it to be changed requiring a majority of voters and a majority of states to agree. Most attempts to change it, including our becoming a republic have failed. Since 1901, 19 referendums have proposed 44 changes to the Constitution; only eight changes have been agreed to

Oh that's right... you never had the constitutional right to self defense... we do. Few people in the world actually do.

If we were essentially unarmed like you are and Canada...I have ZERO doubt Obama and his minions would have pulled a Hugo Chavez here...

I have told you before we are not unarmed, we can own weapons but certain weapons are prescribed

No doubt the propaganda you were subjected to a a child told you that americans have superior rights to others, but the fact is that we have the same rights as you do, since they stem from the same english law dating back to the magna carta.

Unlike yourselves we have not found it necessary to engage in armed conflict to enforce our independence or confiscate the lands of preexistant peoples, our colonies were self governing in the 1800's culminating in federation in 1901 under a constitution based on your own, suggestions we don't enjoy the rights of free men are rediculous

Really... I seem to remember there were people already living there before England turned Australia into a penal colony, and like most places...the original inhabitants weren't treated too well. Much like England was when the Romans were there. We engaged in Armed Conflict because the Crown couldn't grasp that we were serious when we told them to get stuffed. It took an armed conflict to get the message across.

Really... I seem to remember there were people already living there before England turned Australia into a penal colony, and like most places...the original inhabitants weren't treated too well. Much like England was when the Romans were there. We engaged in Armed Conflict because the Crown couldn't grasp that we were serious when we told them to get stuffed. It took an armed conflict to get the message across.

Most people don't respond well when told to get stuffed by a bunch of backwoods colonials. That little skermish you had over there you won principally because the british had other things on their mind at the time and were unable to commit the full weight of their military. An expanse of water makes a formidable barrier and we have learned from your experience. As far as the original inhabitants of this land go they were treated no worse than the original inhabitants of your own land, however we did not engage in open warfare with them with the intent of stealing their lands, but then we are once again speaking about the british and not the Australians since the nation of Australia was not formed until 1901 and we do not appropriate the acts of those people as our own

Must be nice to deny what your founders did.

I am descendent of free settlers who had no bad relations with the natives, what the british did was establish a colony and explore a land that was largely uninhabited, much of it remains similiarly uninhabited today. There were no boundry markers, no discernable settlements. They carved a settlement out of a wilderness and survived a harsh environment just as your own early settlers did. If there are apologies to be made it is only that no price was paid for the land unlike the beads given for land in the americas, how do you pay someone who has no concept of ownership?

By that same token I am a descendant of immigrants who came to the USA after 1900 from Ireland, Scotland and Germany. Nobody in my bloodline had anything to do with anything that happened here before that time as well.

THe both of us do not have blood on our hands by reason of walking over the land and dwelling in it. You see I am over this guilt trip of how we took something away and therefore we owe somebody something and I do not acknowledge the traditional owners, custodians or whatever they think they are today. The only indigenous people I see are blowins from somewhereelse.

So therefore we do not need to lament the sins of the forefathers, grevious they they may have been, we have taken noones liberty away, and we don't have to be more than fair in our dealings with all comers. I am part of a stolen generation here, not because I am indigenous but because some ning nongs in a church thought a single parent should not be allowed to raise her child alone, noone apologises to me for the harm they did.

I never had to get over a guilt trip I've never had either... I've never opressed anyone, my relatives haven't either... and have no responsibility for anyone else that has. And quite the contrary... my grandaprents were victims of oppression, my Irish grandfather in particular ( the old Irish need not apply thing that used to happen here)... but that's all in the past, and the past is the past. We all live in the here and now.

You seemed to have assimilated better than the former slaves that built the wealth and fortunes of this great nation. One could wonder how well you would have faired if your entire language and culture were replaced and not allowed to ride with the dominant group or drink from there fountains, or kept in your place that another had assigned to you.

Glad your family thrived and survived, and you overcame the obstacles of birth, and hatred, but the struggle continues for many without the obvious advantage that allowed you to fit in. You never lynched a fellow, I got that, but don't dismiss that a fellow was lynched either.

You should enjoy your freedoms and rights, but stop looking down your nose at those that still struggle, while you thrive. Naw you didn't come to hurt nobody, and haven't, but you talk about 'em like a dog, so its easy to see whose side you took when you got your own freedom. I mean how many a$$ whumpin' can you take tough guy, after they replaced the whips and chains with MONEY?

The whiners need to get over it... anyone that was an adult when the Jim Crowe laws were repealed is retirement age now... that means everyone younger is just lazy looking for excuses to get a free ride.

And sorry... exactly what former slaves built great wealth here? What weath that may have existed then was pretty much completely spent during the Civil war...

The hatred that's been happening the last 40 or 50 years are from people that blame things that happened generations earlier for their own laziness and lack of ambition... or for accepting their own responsibility for the choices they make in life.

I didn't get one IOTA of help because I had the misfortune of being poor and white... while lazy bums like Obama got free everything handed to him for no reason but his skin color while others got fast tracked ahead of more qualified people also just because of a darker skin color.

WHat I talk about happened roughly 35 years ago... so despite being handed everythig on a silver platter... exactly what right do they have to be complaining because they screwed up the opportunities specially reserved for them?

Nope... no sympathy here... I paid my own way through college because my parents couldn't afford it and I had the wrong skin color to get a free ride... I didn't get a free ride via scholarships because I wasn't at the top of my class... I worked hard increacing my skillset and changing jobs to slowly climb my way up the ladder... again without any special assistance many people in certain ethnic groups feel they are entitled to for some reason. Incidentally... I work with a number of people from that same ethnic group that think exactly as I do... the opportunities are there if you apply yourself. Nobody is entitled to a free ride.

My wife on the other hand works with a few that think a different set of rules should apply to them (they are in their 20's)... just because of their skin color. And those same few criticize one other person in the same office of the same ethnicity (same 20 something age group)... because they have a strong work ethic.. and a drive to get ahead. Because they aren't "Black" despite their being even darker skinned than the others doing the complaining.

Lazy and irresponsible isn't an ethnic trait of any group... its a character flaw... way differnent thing.

Jim Crow was rejected but his son James is alive well and thriving. He thanks you for your help and support through your resentments, and perpetration of hard core intransigence. Sorry you have not achieved the easy ride you thought you were entitled too. But glad you had an opportunity for your hard work to pay off.

Care to offer up any proof it exists anywhere but the minds of the people that feel they are entitled to free rides over something that happened long before they were born?

I resent the lazy bums that think they are entitled to free rides... they don't deserve anything they don't go out and earn.

They all have MORE opportunity than the majority had thanks to reverse discrimination being pushed by the liberals and Democrat party.

Sorry... but they get ZERO sympathy... they can work hard and earn it like everyone else has to do. If they won't.. then they only deserve what they did work to earn, not one thing more.

I know far too many people who came here knowing real poverty in their home country... had none of the benefits one specific minority gets. Didn't have the benefit of English being their mother tongue... and in some cases do it as a single mother.. getting no child support or government handouts.. raising several kids... AND becoming quite successful through hard work and ethical behaviour.

THOSE are the people I have respect for... not some group that thinks baggy pants hanging around their knees... that dropped out of school... blaoming everything on something that ended over 160 years prior... Some of them who don't even have bloodlines that go back that far in this country.

WHich incidentally... is another thing... I'm tired of people whining about what happened here like it only happened here or started here...

Who built the Pyramids in Egypt? SLAVE labor... the short amount of time we had slavery was a brief moment in time compared to the thousands of years it existed and still does exist in Africa and the Middle East.

Everyone here has an opportunity... if they choose to squander or not use it is on them, not the rest of us.

And coincidently....I know more than a few people of that same ethnicity....that feel exactly the same as I do about the class of whiners that expect a free ride, no matter what ethnicity they are..

And this may be a shock....but my coworker, who happens to be black, and a Democrat....is even tougher on that group than I am. And he is in his mid 60's.

That's a slight misconception for those who have been going through the fallout of what happen through their own experience. May I point out that the issue as I see it is not separating the individual, as you vilify the group? The lack of as much opportunity as there was back in the day is common to MANY groups today.

No its not... bad choices are that persons own responsibility.

If there are no job to be had where they are living... they move to where there are.

I've done it... many other have done it... they can do it too. I'm not from the area I live... and its not exactly where I want to live... I'm here because its reasonably nice and I have job opportunities in my field I don't have where I grew up. Or other places I have lived... or even the other place I have property.

I could be living on the Italian Riviera right now... I have an apartment there... but the economy sucks there and job opportunities aren't exactly to my preference. I could have a job literally the day after I get there... but if that went sour... I wouldn't have a backup plan... I always want a backup plan.

SO I am back in this area working... because I have options... and because unlike certain groups of people... I know life is what I make it... and I'm not entitled to a free ride.

I don't disagree there is a lack of responsibility in other groups as well... the differenece is THEY aren't using the same lame excuse. Blaming it on something that happened to their great,great, great granparents.

If it wasn't for British oppression and the Kaisers in Germany.....my grandparents would have never left Europe....but what happened to them has no bearing on responsibility of the choices I make...good or bad. And I've made my share of bad choices over the years. I don't have the Midas touch....I've just learned to make more good choices than bad ones.

seems to me some bad choices where made in times past and past generations should bare the blame and feel the shame, but as for me I will dwell peacefully in this land. Those people have gone and should be forgotten and we should deal with the problems we have today. Just today we had a senior former public servant telling us taxation would need to be increased to fund social welfare programs, my response; no, public servants need to be reduced to fund social welfare programs. If this is a real problem then we need a real solution, more employment, greater opportunity and we need to ensure every new program is funded, no more political opportunism. As a way of supporting reductions, politicians should take on more constituents so there would be no growth in the number of politicians. I'm all for politician productivity ahead of other growth in productivity. politician productivity should not be measured by the number of bills passed as was so for the former government, but in the number of constituents interveiwed

constituency service ? what an arcane idea (sarcasm font engaged ...just imagine it is purple text)

call it arcane if you want and you can be as sarcastic as you like, I do. I would like to see the return to the days when politicians were not paid, sure we would see a lot of rich guys but how does that differ from the present? Why should the president be paid? we know that when he leaves there will be any number of well paid opportunities

I don't mind them being paid. They probably should be paid more. However ,I want citizen statesmen and not careerists . That's why I favor strict term limits for All of them.

Hello:

I got nothing. Just admiring my new picha..

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He's buzzed LOL.

seems da plant is in da right place

And the left just keeps getting nuttier

Feminist Amanda Marcotte Compares Abortion to Cavity Removal, Calls Babies ‘Time-Sucking Monsters’ | NewsBusters (http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/kristine-marsh/2014/03/18/marcotte-compares-abortion-cavity-removal-calls-babies-time-sucking-)

And yet without babies there would be no more revolting feminists.

hold that thought!

I'm pretty middle of the road but I know that there are many kids who need corporal punishment. Brats are out of control because there is not enough discipline and they know they can get away with anything with no punishment. We need to return to the days when kids feared and respected adults and authority figures.

look from personal experience I know kids think they can get away with anything until they are 18 and are treated as adults by the courts, this starts in the home at an early age and is the result of the namby pamby discipline methods where corporal punishment isn't allowed unless you should damage their little psychies, I would like to damage some of their psychies. Respect needs to be taught and stronger methods than time out need to be employed at times

I knew a man in Scotland who advocated banging the head of any teen who gave him cheek against a wall and I'm with him, They will only do it once

I stay out of a lot of these threads but I can not stay out of this one after reading peoples comments advocating child abuse. I agree my view is based on my childhood but you can not tell me people are not advocating child abuse. I stay out of the spanking threads as usually it is perception on what is acceptable.


Leaving bruises
Beating a child's head against a wall..

Do you know what it is like to live in fear of making the smallest mistake. The fear so overpowering you don't want to try anything new due to you may fail. That fear carries on over to adult hood

Do you know what it is like getting a report card and being in fear because you failed gym? You participated but have no athletic ability and were graded on that. You know you will get a beating for failing as that is how "discipline" is done.



Spanking on the bare for everything. With a hand but occasionally wooden spoon or belt. It was done out of anger, it was done until they had no anger left.

When does it become abusive? When the child has burns? When the child has broken limbs? I guess my abuse was not abuse and all of my fears are unfounded and I am just a person that should have been beaten more to be taught respect. Sighhhh

Hello M:

Thanks for sharing..

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