Hello:

Our right wing friends say FOX kicks MSNBC's butt because they're RIGHT. I say it's because MSNBC just sucks at television... And, they ain't too good at radio either. I don't often quote media, but this Salon article is right on. Yeah, I know. It's Salon, but you'll LOVE it. They BASH MSNBC.


MSNBC, we’re told all the time, (http://www.salon.com/2012/12/19/hack_list_no_8_msnbc/) is the liberal Fox News. That’s reductive and stupid. It isn’t. MSNBC isn’t the liberal Fox News for two very important reasons: It usually demonstrates a greater respect for the truth than Fox News, and it’s not as good as Fox News. It’s not as good at being liberal as Fox is at being conservative. Fox is rigidly ideologically consistent, with its “straight news” programs echoing the same talking points and pushing the same slanted stories as its opinion shows. While there’s no doubt that MSNBC is more unapologetically liberal than it used to be, it’s still all over the place, with a conservative anchoring its flagship morning show, objective Beltway “straight news” proponents like Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell dominating in the daytime, and weekends full of … prison shows. But more important, it’s not as good as Fox at being compelling TV, which is why millions more people watch Fox every day.

Plus, the graphics and music suck.

excon

tell someone who cares. television exists for entertainment, beyond that we know it's crap

MSNBC hosts talk too fast (reading from teleprompters?), have the same schtick on and review the same stories every hour, and can't seem to get creative (except for O'Donnell's KIND fund reports/videos and Rachel's drink making).

Lol!

You mean Jesus and Santa aren't white? LOL at Fox.

well Jesus is suntaned and santa doesn't exist, so no!

Jesus would be middle eastern.

The whole "white Santa" thing was about a Slate blogger's article. He's now a black penguin (http://www.slate.com/articles/life/holidays/2013/12/santa_claus_an_old_white_man_not_anymore_meet_sant a_the_penguin_a_new_christmas.html).

Lets face facts MSNBC just sucks. But that BS about them demonstrating a greater respect for the truth .
Bwaaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaa !!!!! if only their hosts were as entertaining as that remark ,they'd get their audience.

The whole "white Santa" thing was about a Slate blogger's article. He's now a black penguin.

That's just as logical as a fat guy in a red suit, with reindeer that can fly and gets up and shimmy down a chimney without getting dirty.

Lets face facts MSNBC just sucks. But that BS about them demonstrating a greater respect for the truth .
Bwaaaaaaahaaaaaaahaaaaaa !!!!! if only their hosts were as entertaining as that remark ,they'd get their audience.

Hence my lol response. That and the " It’s not as good at being liberal as Fox is at being conservative."


ON MSNBC, the ratio of negative to positive stories on GOP candidate Mitt Romney was 71 to 3.

That's not a news channel. That's a propaganda machine, and owner Comcast should probably change Phil Griffin's title from president to high minister of information, or something equally befitting the work of a party propaganist hack in a totalitarian regime. You wonder how mainstream news organizations allow their reporters and correspondents to appear in such a cauldron of bias.

I thought show host Sean Hannity of Fox News defined party propagandist. But while his channel was bad, it wasn't as bad-boy biased as MSNBC.

The ratio of negative to positive stories in Fox's coverage of President Obama was 46 to 6.

Read more: MSNBC really is more partisan than Fox, according to Pew study - baltimoresun.com (http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/tv/z-on-tv-blog/bal-pew-study-suggests-msnbc-really-is-more-partisan-than-fox-20121102,0,7266571.story#ixzz2nvudkIC2)

That's what remotes are for, don't like a show, click it!!

You want news... The Daily Show, followed by The Colbert Report.

Hello again,

THAT FOX is better at producing TV than NBC is, means NOTHING about the underlying message..

Look... I HATE watching Chris Hays, although I AGREE with everything he says. So, I watch Bill O'Reilly, even though he's a boor, and I DISAGREE with EVERYTHING he says. It's much better TV.

excon

if I catch any FOX at all ,it's Greta (she's in the time slot Shep Smith used to occupy ...Smith's news broadcasts were better ) .

Fox is great until you turn on the talking heads that aren't talking sports.

This is why MSNBC sucks, hammering a guy for answering a question honestly while openly joking he might enjoy poopie sex.

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/12/20/msnbc-if-phil-robertson-and-bobby-jindal-tried-anal-sex-they-might-like-it/#sthash.CpauSjJ3.TGhF6s0c.dpbs

They might be more compelling if they weren't such morons. Joy Reid, in their continuing obsession with Sarah Palin, totally massacred an interpretation of Jeremiah to prove she is a "pretender" when it comes to Christianity...on segment called "Pretenders" no less.

MSNBC’s Reid Bashes Palin for Having a Christmas Tree...on Christmas! | NewsBusters (http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/12/26/msnbc-s-reid-scolds-palin-having-christmas-treeon-christmas)

So a bible thumper can only quote certain gospel and ignore the other gospels?


REID: Certain parts of the Bible also appear to preach against let's say, I don't know, Christmas trees. Here's Jeremiah 10-10, it reads:

“For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scare crow in a cucumber field, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good."

And the righties ignore the remark Phil made about blacks being happier during Jim Crow, than they were before welfare, and civil rights. Back then the price of any dissent by blacks could get you lynched. Trying to sugarcoa his bigotry, while villifying his critics is disgusting. You and Phil have a right to your opinions, so does everybody else that may disagree.

Phil and Sarah are hypocrites

Sure she can quote it, she is certainly entitled to look like a total idiot. Apparently you don't understand it either. Might be wise to know what the heck the verse is referring to before lecturing others on it.

Phil and Sarah are hypocrites

I'm sorry but hypocrisy is using hate and intolerance to battle hate and intolerance. You cannot with an ounce of credibility hate on someone and be intolerant of their views while expecting them to come around to your side. It works both ways Tal.

P.S. Do you have a Christmas tree? I do, so does my church. We don't worship them as gods which is what Jeremiah condemned.

Oh, and I believe shortly thereafter Jeremiah called on God to pour out His wrath on those that didn't know Him, should Phil have called for that, too instead of saying it would be better if we all just loved each other? If the morons at MSNBC want to use the Bible as a hammer they had better be prepared to use it all.

Gotcha, Phil can insult gays, and blacks, but blacks, and gays can't even express their disagreement to what he said. That hypocrisy.

Except that he was not insulting Blacks .He was making a statement about how the welfare state has been destructive to black families. He did not condone Jim Crow laws and I defy you to find a quote where he does. He was speaking from his observations while he worked in the cotton fields side by side with Black workers.

 
but blacks, and gays can't even express their disagreement to what he said

Still running with that straw man I see. I just got through saying you have the total right to look like an idiot misquoting the Bible.

Except that he was not insulting Blacks .Hello again, tom:

No, he was insulting ME. He looked around and saw NOTHING wrong. When I got off the plane in South Carolina, I KNEW something was wrong.. You CAN'T miss it. It hits you in the face. Right there in the airport, there was TWO sets of drinking fountains - one for white, and one for colored.. There were TWO sets of bathrooms. When I got on the bus to take me to the base, there was a BLACK line painted in the middle of the bus - BLACK people in the back, please.

There were NO black people in restaurants. There were NO black people in hotels. On a road trip between Jacksonville, Fla, and Charleston, SC, we had to bring our black sailor companion food from the restaurants, because he had to WAIT in the car while we went in.

Anybody who looked around and thought things were fine, were BIGOTS, BIGOTS, and even MORE BIGOTED. That would be ANYBODY!!!

excon

Hello again, tom:

No, he was insulting ME. He looked around and saw NOTHING wrong. When I got off the plane in South Carolina, I KNEW something was wrong.. You CAN'T miss it. It hits you in the face. Right there in the airport, there was TWO sets of drinking fountains - one for white, and one for colored.. There were TWO sets of bathrooms. When I got on the bus to take me to the base, there was a BLACK line painted in the middle of the bus - BLACK people in the back, please.

There were NO black people in restaurants. There were NO black people in hotels. On a road trip between Jacksonville, Fla, and Charleston, SC, we had to bring our black sailor companion food from the restaurants, because he had to WAIT in the car while we went in.

Anybody who looked around and thought things were fine, were BIGOTS, BIGOTS, and even MORE BIGOTED. That would be ANYBODY!!!

excon

He made an observation from his life growing up there, he didn't advocate racism. I've made similar observations growing up in a minority neighborhood, I didn't know there was a racism problem. We just got up and went to school each day and acted like nothing was wrong because as far as we knew life was normal. I guess I'm a bigot for not looking at my third grade friends obvious plight and marching on the principals office.

Hello again, Steve:

A 3rd grader is to be excused... But, as he grows older, at SOME point in his life, he's going to have LOOK around, and actually SEE what's going on. This yahoo never did.

I get that he GREW up with it, and that it looks DIFFERENT from his perspective... Nonetheless, CHRISTIAN teachings ALONE (of which I know LITTLE), SHOULD have clued him in. He doesn't get a pass from me.

excon

Phil went to the same fields with blacks to pick cotton, but they worked for the farmer. But NOOOO,Phil didn't work for the famer. Bill Russell grew up in the same region and he tells a very different story of life for blacks there, in his autobiography.

I take Bill over Phil on this one, but if Phil is your hero, so be it.

The facts are not in evidence that Phil never noticed a racism problem that I'm aware of. Amazing how you guys, the same ones that protest so loudly over the mention of Obama's pastor mentor or Bill Ayers can assign a lifetime of obvious bigotry based on one observation, in which he also says we'd all be better off if we just loved each other. That's some damn fine investigative work there boys. Almost as good as MSNBC's Bible scholarship.

The facts are not in evidence that Phil never noticed a racism problem that I'm aware of.Hello again, Steve:

It's because you choose NOT be aware.

To ME, saying that he NEVER heard a black person complain, is NOT noticing racism!!!

Happy New Year.

excon

okie dokie, you just keep on interpreting it your way because we all know you libs are much better at hearing things the rest of us can't.

Hello again, tom:

No, he was insulting ME. He looked around and saw NOTHING wrong. When I got off the plane in South Carolina, I KNEW something was wrong.. You CAN'T miss it. It hits you in the face. Right there in the airport, there was TWO sets of drinking fountains - one for white, and one for colored.. There were TWO sets of bathrooms. When I got on the bus to take me to the base, there was a BLACK line painted in the middle of the bus - BLACK people in the back, please.

There were NO black people in restaurants. There were NO black people in hotels. On a road trip between Jacksonville, Fla, and Charleston, SC, we had to bring our black sailor companion food from the restaurants, because he had to WAIT in the car while we went in.

Anybody who looked around and thought things were fine, were BIGOTS, BIGOTS, and even MORE BIGOTED. That would be ANYBODY!!!

excon

so I'm right .... there is nothing in his statement condoning Jim Crow laws.

No there wasn't, but the comments here are pretty clear it's ok to condone bigotry toward "white trash" like Phil.

His observation that blacks were happy during Jim Crow was NOT accurate. Your failure to see and understand that is what's telling.

His observation that blacks were happy during Jim Crow

Thus we have the prime bone of contention. Tal thinks he was talking about ALL blacks. Tom thinks he was talking about JUST the blacks he worked with. As usual, somewhere in the middle is probably the most accurate. Tal, I don't think Mr. Robertson ever made it to Birmingham. Tom, he MAY have generalized about poor blacks with a strong family. Whichever the case, He and A&E have both made another boatload of money over this. One has to wonder if it was planned this way.

No there wasn't, but the comments here are pretty clear it's ok to condone bigotry toward "white trash" like Phil.Hello again, Steve:

Well, there ya go. You can't tell the difference between bigotry and criticism.

excon

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field . . . They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say “’I tell you what: Those doggone white people’ – not a word!

Nope he wasn't speaking about Jim Crow laws ,or about all blacks in the south .He never said that ALL black people were “happy” in the pre-civil rights era. He was only referring to the “godly,” hard working, black families of his youth in a small part of Louisiana.

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field … They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people' — not a word! … Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."

Phil's perception and empathy were skewed and limited.

@Catsmine- Controversy all the way to the bank, as we ignore the FACT DD's next season is already filmed and scheduled. Suspending him was a sham. Free publicity.

Hello again, wrong wingers:

I dunno about you guys. You seem to think that people who are surrounded by wrong since birth are simply UNABLE to see it because they're so immersed in it. Apparently, being THAT stupid is just FINE with you too, because you give them a pass..

How dumb do YOU have to be to BELIEVE that dreck?? Do you think the children born in Auschwitz thought their life was normal??? Yes, Phil lived in the woods. But, he went to town now and then.. He SAW the two sets of drinking fountains. He KNEW why they were there. He KNEW what racism was. He KNEW it was wrong. He's just LYING about it.

Look. I'm a nice Jewish boy. When I was about 7, my friend, Jim Ryall invited me to his dads club to go swimming. When I showed up, his father said I couldn't go. The club was "restricted". That meant NO JEWS!

At 7 years old, I inherently KNEW it was wrong. Jim KNEW it was wrong. Jim's dad KNEW it was wrong. And, if Phil woulda been there, as STUPID as he is, he would have KNOWN it was wrong. And, guess what wingers??? Even you woulda KNOWN it was wrong.

Over to you.

excon

... He KNEW ... He KNEW ... He KNEW ...

He KNEW those folks picking cotton beside him had a Mama and a Daddy living UNDER THE SAME ROOF, eating meals TOGETHER, loving them; unlike the last three generations of Lefty Welfare Slaves. Your Statist heroes like Kennedy and Johnson and Carter (and the Bushes) made it impossible for them to get out of those cotton fields like Robertson managed to do.

Talaniman Posts: 46,131, Reputation: 115235Senior Family & People Expert #33 Report  Today, 01:08 PMHis observation that blacks were happy during Jim Crow was NOT accurate. Your failure to see and understand that is what's telling.

No, what's telling is that as catsmine said you think his personal observation of working with some as "white trash" growing up means he believes all Blacks were happy and treated well. It's also telling that he's the one that says love everyone anyway and calls for forgiveness, while admitting to his own failures and need for forgiveness, and you guys are the ones refusing to grant any love, tolerance and forgiveness. I believe that makes him ten times the man as his critics. Phil and I aren't perfect and omniscient like you libs obviously think you are.

Phil is doing what most people do when confronted with an undeniable situation. Obviously there is no point is denying that segregation existed, but it is always possible resort to a minimalist explanation.

For example, one could say in relation to any number of historical situations:

"Yes, things were bad, but not as bad as people make out. It was my experience at the time..."

No he didn't . What he did was point out the undeniable truth that there have been terrible negative consequences with the remedies that were applied. Look ,the guy isn't that articulate ,so it is easy for his critics to read his words and distort them. There was one idiot ( John McIntyre of the Baltimore Sun)who made the claim that Robertson said blacks were better off as slaves. He made a later retraction that was probably not read by his readership.
The Duck Dynasts - baltimoresun.com (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/language-blog/bal-the-duck-dynasts-20131221,0,7242383.story)
Cavan Sieczkowski of Huffpo wrote that Robertson “claims black people were happy pre-civil rights.” He then took Robertson on for supposedly condoning Jim Crow laws.This line of reasoning went viral ;and there is NOTHING in his words that leads one to make that claim ;or the contention you make .

Here is Professor Walter Williams making the same argument that Robertson made.....

During Reconstruction and up until the 1940s, 75% to 85% of black children lived in two-parent families. Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women. The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do and that is to destroy the black family."
The Weekend Interview with Walter Williams: The State Against Blacks - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052748704881304576094221050061598)

“The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life.”
War on Poverty Revisited | Capitalism MagazineCapitalism Magazine (http://capitalismmagazine.com/2004/08/war-on-poverty-revisited/)
(correction the 2nd link is from Thomas Sowell an economist)

Ok then, I haven't been following the tread for a few days. Can you point out or provide the quote that says he was pointing out the undeniable truth that there has been terrible negative consequences with the remedies that have been applied.

Sure .Here is the entire quote .There is no other context because it was included in a blurb and was not part of the article in GQ .

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once,” he said. “Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field … They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!… Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson Gives Drew Magary a Tour (http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson)

Note he used the words pre-entitlement and pre-welfare and NOT pre-civil rights.

If anything from that blurb I get the sense that Phil was influenced by their attitude in spite of their circumstances, certainly not calling for a return to Jim Crow or endorsing oppression. I'd like to have heard the conversation leading up to that quote but alas that was omitted leaving the door wide open to speculation and slim hope for any rational discussion.

Yes, but this does not stop him providing a minimalist interpretation of events during that era. It is possible to do both.

Hello again, wrong wingers:

Somehow, I'm getting the sense that you think black people were BETTER off under Jim Crow, than they were under the welfare, entitlement state. If I'm right, or even SLIGHTLY right (and I AM), you are VERY VERY wrong.

excon

Hello again, wrong wingers:

Somehow, I'm getting the sense that you think black people were BETTER off under Jim Crow, than they were under the welfare, entitlement state. If I'm right, or even SLIGHTLY right (and I AM), you are VERY VERY wrong.

excon

One would expect that interpretation from you but you would be wrong. Freedom is what makes us better, and especially the type of freedoms Phil Robertson is referring to but that's a message you culture enforcers can't see. You think being a slave to the state makes them better.

Phil's freedom is back to the woods, which is great if that's the way you want to live but us urbanites rather go to Kroger to get dinner than the back yard with a rifle. No problem, to each his own. I never look at Duck Dynasty, but love the Alaskan reality shows.

My point was that Phil saw things one way, and the black people saw that time completely different. That's why I referenced Bill Russell's book to at least let you see that others from that same region had a completely different experience.

You and Phil don't seem to get that and that's okay, just don't call me a liar for pointing out the flaws in your logic, or the differences in our faith, and practices, Speech. Those personal insults and name calling are NOT conducive to listening that leads to respect, love, or tolerance, or acceptance as FACTS.



Thanks for the research Tom, very insightful.

Oh spare me the indignant outrage and lecture on tolerance and insults. Do you need a mirror? Your entire argument is based on assumptions, insulting my intelligence and intolerance of Phil's comments, presented with no context as to what led to his remarks. No one is disputing that everyone has differing views and experiences of the same situation, you just expect us to believe only one side is legitimate.

I expect you to listen before you go into indignant insulting, self serving one sided name calling tirades. Its divisive, and non productive, even when I stoop to your level of discussion as retaliation.

Lol, what name calling might that be, "perfect and omniscient" or "culture enforcers?" Sorry, but I call bulls*t on that one.

While Tal is looking for those ugly names I called him, another reason MSNBC sucks. Melissa "your child is not yours but don't these tampons look great in my ears" Harris-Perry couldn't resist a segment mocking the Romneys and Republicans for their having a black adopted grandson.

Melissa Harris-Perry Panel Mocks Black Romney Grandchild As Token » The Right Scoop - (http://therightscoop.com/melissa-harris-perry-panel-mocks-black-romney-grandchild-as-token/)

I'm sorry, but that's about as pathetic as it gets but that's typical of the guardians of all truth. I'm just surprised they didn't have a segment on the evils of pro lifers not wanting to take care of children after they're born before the segue into mocking them for doing so. I bet Michael Oher is laughing along with them.

Dude, as long as you continue this faux war on women meme and lie about voter Id, which most people support and I've already shown increased turnout in texas, don't preach to me about having an honest discussion. I was totally honest in my response.

You called me a liar, even though it was your own republican party officials who said the purpose of the voter ID laws was to suppress democratic voters. We have links. I never questioned your honesty or called you a liar, so don't question mine or ever call me a liar. We can disagree with out the personal character assassination can't we FRIEND(?).

You said Republicans were BANNING voting rights and that's an outright lie. I will call it what it is, friend or no. It is a lie, voter ID is not a ban, it protects the integrity of the vote, turnout increased in Texas, and the people support it...and none of that was relevant to this discussion.

Supreme Court Throws Out Ruling Blocking Texas Voter ID Law (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/27/supreme-court-texas-voter-id_n_3509834.html)

And, SCOTUS continues to allow voter ID laws, so get over it. At least we don't mock people for adopting a child.

MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry was forced to offer an apology to the Romney family after a panel on her show mocked the fact that one of Mitt Romney's adopted grandchildren is black (adopted infant son of Mitt's son, Ben, and his wife, Andelyne).

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The Romney family Christmas card was featured in the "Nerdland plays Caption That!" segment of her show
Her apology came in cowardly "tweets" .If she was really sincere ,she's pick up the phone and call Mitt Romney personally .

Did you see the other "apologies" offered by her enlightened guests?

Melissa Harris-Perry Guests from Romney Grandson Segment Offer Various 'Apologies' on Twitter | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/online/melissa-harris-perry-guests-from-romney-grandson-segment-offer-various-apologies-on-twitter-2/)

Yeah, some real courage there. But what would you expect from such profound thinkers?

P. S. I have an adopted niece that is black, that picture could just as well have been my family just like many others the panel in essence mocked right along with the Romneys.

the left is a strange breed of duck. I thought they said that adoption wasn't a viable alternative to abortion because whites would not adopt children of color. Then when they find an example of where it's happened ,they mock it. Imagine if Rush had sang the Sesame Street song .'One of these things is not like the other' in response to the photo.

Exactly right.

At least we have the courage to apologize for the stupid stuff we say, unlike the right who never apologizes for their stupid stuff.

First, that's another lie and second, it takes no courage to tweet.

Rush and Phil don't even tweet an apology, and Sarah never will. Self righteous bigots never do. That's no lie.

What are they supposed to be apologizing for? If anything, MSNBC should apologize for their idiotic attempt at bashing Palin with the Bible they don't understand and you Robertson critics should apologize for accusing him of wanting a return to Jim Crow. He said no such thing and he is still entitled to his religious beliefs whether you agree with them or not. You'll notice A&E did not demand an apology because he has nothing to apologize for.

Hello again, Steve:

I've not called for him to apologize. I've not called for A&E to fire him. I've simply pointed out that he's a bigot, and I'm sticking with that story.

excon

I have never questioned the right of Rush and Sarah or Phil to say stupid stuff. Or make money doing it. I have a right to say they are stupid, whether you agree or NOT.

See everybody is exercising their rights. That's freedom right? Don't care what A&E does to make money, and DD won't get mine. Discover Channels 'Alaska" series is better any way... with out Sarah in it!

You're entitled to that opinion however wrong it may be, ex. I don't think you libs even know the definition of bigot, if you did you'd be calling GLAAD out for being major purveyors of bigotry and intolerance.

I have never questioned the right of Rush and Sarah or Phil to say stupid stuff. Or make money doing it. I have a right to say they are stupid, whether you agree or NOT.

In others they don't have anything to apologize for after all. Thank you.

Personally I like it when wingers say stupid stuff and don't apologize. Proves my point on how stupid they are.

Thanks.

And again you make the accusation but offer no examples, while insulting them by calling them stupid. HELLO!

Hello again, Steve:

I don't think you libs even know the definition of bigot,Lets review, shall we?

I MYSELF, PERSONALLY was sent to the deep south in 1962. That was when Phil was picking cotton in Louisiana with black people who NEVER complained.. There were TWO sets of drinking fountains where HE lived, and HE KNEW about them.. He KNEW why they were there. It didn't bother him.. If it did, he didn't say so.

So, the question ISN'T what black people said to him... It's what he DID when he SAW the blatant WRONGNESS all around him. He did NOTHING. He is NOT relieved of his guilt for NOT noticing the WRONGNESS.

The German people said NOTHING. They KNEW what was going on. Were they guilty because they did NOTHING???? You BETCHA!!

excon

Hello again, Steve:
Lets review, shall we?

I MYSELF, PERSONALLY was sent to the deep south in 1962. That was when Phil was picking cotton in Louisiana with black people who NEVER complained.. There were TWO sets of drinking fountains where HE lived, and HE KNEW about them.. He KNEW why they were there. It didn't bother him.. If it did, he didn't say so.

So, the question ISN'T what black people said to him... It's what he DID when he SAW the blatant WRONGNESS all around him. He did NOTHING. He is NOT relieved of his guilt for NOT noticing the WRONGNESS.

The German people said NOTHING. They KNEW what was going on. Were they guilty because they did NOTHING???? You BETCHA!!

excon

First, you don't know what he did and second, the world is not a reflection of the big city culture warriors. Things are different all over so for you to criticize the life experience of those who lived it for not meeting your standards is to me just as much bigotry. You didn't live Phil's life, Mississippi ain't Boston. What do you suppose made him view himself as white trash? Is that the sort of self identification that really indicates he thought he was better than others? Here's a hint, no it isn't so save your pontifications for the elitists that sneer down their noses at Hicks like Phil, who in spite of his obvious flaws still preaches love for everyone. They might learn a thing or two about differentiating between loving people and endorsing their every behavior.

You and Phil preach about love but show no understanding of anyone but yourselves. Go ahead prove me right, without preaching about YOUR rights.

You and Phil preach about love but show no understanding of anyone but yourselves. Go ahead prove me right, without preaching about YOUR rights.

Dude, I have an HIV positive, bisexual stepdaughter that just got out of prison a year ago who is presently in the hospital with 3 broken ribs and pneumonia who I just helped take a pee and pull her panties up, living with me. Do you really want to go there with ME? Why don't you ask her about that, I'm sure you just might be surprised I have a heart.

I never said you don't have a heart. I specifically said but show no understanding of anyone but yourselves. Never mind, I would be stupid to expect subtle nuance from a closed mind that is both subjective and conditional.

No wonder you don't see the insult Phil has cast.

Dude, you really have the balls to tell me I have no understanding of others after describing my daughter? You don't think I knew her partners, never visited her home, just sneered down my nose at them from afar? Not to mention the fact I live in the Hispanic neighborhood I grew up in.

I've lived diversity every day of my life, I've seen enough to make you blush so save your pontificating for someone else. I walk the walk every damn day, I've earned the right to be critical of intolerant bigots like GLAAD, I have nothing to prove.

This apology is sincere .
An apology from Melissa Harris-Perry | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/apology-melissa-harris-perry)

Hello tom:

This apology is sincere . Yes it was.

excon

I've earned the right to be critical of intolerant bigots like GLAAD, I have nothing to prove.
Glenn Beck Claims (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/glenn-beck-russia_n_4531744.html)He Will 'Stand With GLAAD' Against Russia's 'Hetero-Fascism' Hello again, Steve:

Whadya know about that?

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Whadya know about that?

excon

I already knew about that, what took you so long? I can't believe you're surprised that people like Beck and myself are actually concerned about real issues instead of this faux bullsh*t you and GLAAD are fixated on. It's a challenge you know m GLAAD needs to put their money where their mouth is instead of being Pretenders.

Not content with using virtually every prime time minute on Bridgegate (curious how much time they've spent on Benghazi), one MSNBC host is now making anti-Christie ads - something which Fox News caught hell for a while back.
(http://www.mediaite.com/tv/will-odonnell-have-to-answer-for-anti-christie-ad-like-fox-friends-answered-for-anti-obama-ad/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zNJvpBF44O8

Surely, that's the problem. Most of your main news channels are obsessed with turning news in political ads.

Most left leaning and libs have a coronary over one channel that leans conservative.

Hello again, Steve:

Most left leaning and libs have a coronary over one channel that leans conservative.At least you didn't call it a news outlet.

Bwa, ha ha ha ha...

Look.. Personally, I LOVE FOX News. If they didn't exist, I'd have to INVENT them. But, I didn't have to. As unbelievable as it sounds, and without any prompting, they put their buffoonery on NATIONAL TV... It's a GIFT to the liberal establishment that keeps on giving.

excon

Unlike MSNBC they at least actually have news programming. Shep does a great job at it, too.

Hello again, Steve:

Unlike MSNBC they at least actually have news programming. Shep does a great job at it, too.I love Shep too. Like you, he's a closet lib.

Of course, MSNBC doesn't bill itself as a news outlet. They say, it's "The Place For Politics".

excon

Nope, they've dropped all pretense of being a news outlet, they've gone into a full fledge propaganda arm off the Democratic party.

Hello again, Steve:
Most left leaning and libs have a coronary over one channel that leans conservative.
Nope, they've dropped all pretense of being a news outlet, they've gone into a full fledge propaganda arm off the Democratic party.Now, who's having a coronary?

excon

Hello again, Steve:Now, who's having a coronary?

excon

Not me, I love MSNBC. Watching libs meltdown is great fun.

"Most left leaning and libs have a coronary over one channel that leans conservative".

"Left leaning?". "Right leaning?" I guess you could say that if you define, "leaning" as an obsession.

You have never seen a civil war? So far without bullets but a civil war nonetheless.

really, arn't you getting a little dramatic, a little precious, over the crap on TV. No one said these people had to be objective, realistic or even factual. Commentary doesn't have to be anything more than that and is usually from a biased perspective. When you come to expect something more you only have yourself to blame if you are decieved or outraged. don't watch it

The price of a free press is that they can say anything they want too, now if you want only one version of the truth, migrate to Russia or China

As if mocking Mitt Romney for having a black grandchild wasn't enough, MSNBC - the official Democrat network aka "channel of hate" - tweeted, then removed, another pathetic attack on Republicans. But not before the screen shots were grabbed.

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What the hell is wrong with you people? Enough of this intolerant, divisive, WILLFULLY IGNORANT bullsh*t. Either that or you lefties stop pretending you have any interest in a 'post-racial" America.

What the hell is wrong with you people? Enough of this intolerant, divisive, WILLFULLY IGNORANT bullsh*tAfter posting:

MSNBC - the official Democrat network aka "channel of hate"Nope, you can't this stuff up. Blind to their own hypocrisy.

Nope, you can't this stuff up. Blind to their own hypocrisy.

It ain't hypocrisy if I can back it up, Jack, not that I care one whit what you think, I'll put my honor up against yours any time, dude.

You have the evidence (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/08/27/chris_matthews_loses_it_calls_reince_priebus_garba ge) in front of you that my description is spot on (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-michael-eric-dyson-on-clarence-thomas-symbolic-jew-who-sided-with-hitler-to-commit-genocide/), they just spew hate (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/martin-bashir-says-someone-should-sht-in-sarah-palins-mouth/) for no damn reason (http://therightscoop.com/melissa-harris-perry-panel-mocks-black-romney-grandchild-as-token/). But I'm not surprised you'd take more offense at me accurately describing them as a hate-spewing political arm of the Democratic party than them spewing more hateful bullsh*t.

The only hypocrisy here is from MSNBC and anyone who refuses to criticize their pathetic behavior, even the president of the network finally recognized they've been going too far (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/01/msnbc-president-apologizes-to-rnc-182354.html#.Uuq-wEYGKNI.twitter).

It ain't hypocrisyIt most certainly is and you're continuing it. You use examples of MSNBC which are actually quite tame but overblown by the right-wing spins on your blogs that you follow oh so closely. But it pales in comparison to what Fox News does all day long. Yes both sides are wrong - but you find fault in only one side.

All we need now is an apology from O'Reilly and everything is square.

as if

It most certainly is and you're continuing it. You use examples of MSNBC which are actually quite tame but overblown by the right-wing spins on your blogs that you follow oh so closely. But it pales in comparison to what Fox News does all day long. Yes both sides are wrong - but you find fault in only one side.

And once again you offer nothing to back up your bullsh*t.

All we need now is an apology from O'Reilly and everything is square.

For what, because you said so?

your bullsh*tSuch eloquence.

If the term fits.

"For what,because you said so"



No, because of some of the clips that have been posted here over time.For example, there was one incident where O'Reilly was interviewing a radio commentator. For some reason Mr. O'Reilly found cause to point his finger aggressively and calls Allen Combs a liar. I managed to find the clip and it is a lot worse than I remember. Clearly O'Reilly is trying to bully people who express an opinion he doesn't share.

Alan Colmes does his job as a foil and piñata well.

So this is a good reason to try and bully him?

that's his role ... He's known that since the days he was teamed with Hannity . In a melodrama he's the figure that gets booed by the audience . The only thing he doesn't do to make his role more obvious is to dress in a black outfit like Snidely Whiplash and sneer at the camera .
O'Reilly has been a bully for years . He's a poser . The lefties think he's conservative ,but conservatives know better .

O'Reilly has been a bully for years . He's a poser . The lefties think he's conservative ,but conservatives know better .So why does he have a high-profile job on Fox News?
And the same defence could be said of the MSNBC pundits as well.

Why ? Because he gets ratings . He is the poster boy for their ' fair and balanced ' promotion. Colmes on the other hand is a self proclaimed 'progressive ' . So you want to compare the 2 networks ? Who is the conservative Colmes or Juan Williams on MSNBC ? Fox leans conservative but they have their libs who are regulars on many of the shows . MSNBC is a bunch of monolithic progressive drones.

Because he gets ratingsAnd there you have it. Ratings and money are the goals of the US, ethics and morals take a backseat. Thank you big biz!

it was ever so, it is just more obvious

No need for a network to apologize for calling am entire segment of society bigots until OReilly apologizes to a colleague? Interesting excuse.

No need for a network to apologize for calling am entire segment of society bigots until OReilly apologizes to a colleague? Interesting excuse.Who offered that excuse here?

Oh really...


MSNBC host Touré (http://www.mediaite.com/power-grid/person/?q=Toure)tore into President Barack Obama (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/toure-corrects-obama-structural-racism-not-personal-responsibility-to-blame-for-black-issues/) over his announcement on Thursday of a program to address disproportional rates of poverty and crime among African-American youth. The MSNBC host insisted that Obama was misguided to focus on the family and “personal responsibility” as ways to address those issues. He insisted “structural racism” was to blame for crime and poverty in the African-American community.

Touré began by praising the president for speaking to black youths in a way “only a black president could.” However, he said he was “depressed” by Obama’s outreach because even he would be unable to address many of the problems facing the black community.


“But when the president speaks to the black community, there’s often a dive into the politics of personal responsibility,” he continued. “I cringe at that, as if effort and excuses have been the problem.”


“No,” Touré asserted. “It’s been structural racism.”


“The accumulated impact of historic discrimination and the advantages of white privilege and the systems perpetuate all that,” he continued. “Going into personal responsibility suggests you can make it if you try, and he knows it’s more complex than that.”

No, it really isn't. But why try, eh?

Who ever claimed the idiots at MSNBC are Journalists... and anything they broadcast is actually news? Because neither are true. You will get more reality of out a 1960's Star trek episode.

They're the place for politics, the news comes on before noon.

You mean... "MSNBC...DNC Propaganda...all the time...everytime. "

What Limbaugh, Hannity, or the clown show at FOX News(?), don't holler enough crap for you?

What Limbaugh, Hannity, or the clown show at FOX News(?), don't holler enough crap for you?
They aren't propagandists... they point out the propaganda the left tries to pass off as "news".

We've been through this before... I've been close enough to things most of the last 30 years to to have very good first hand experience with raw event feeds to not trust anything I read in the newspapers OR watch on TV, or hear on the radio.....PARTICUALY by ANYONE who endorsed Obama.

They aren't propagandists.
http://polizeros.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/horse-blinders.jpg

... So says the Canadian expert on wearing them?

They're the place for politics, the news comes on before noon.

What news? I take it from your dodge you agree with that idiot?

Young brother is an idiot for expressing his opinion? Bet you don't even know what structural racism is.

Young brother is an idiot for expressing his opinion? Bet you don't even know what structural racism is.


No he's an idiot for saying something so idiotic and unproductive, similar to your last remark.

Rachel Maddow says the Ukraine crisis is Bush's fault (http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/ukraine-george-wbush-blame-rachel-maddow/2014/03/03/id/555790?promo_code=FF89-1&utm_source=WeaselZippers&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm _campaign=widgetphase1) (where have I hear that term before?)

Hasn't anyone told her the current regime gave Russia a stolen reset button?

Obama had his hands in getting the Ukraine to destroy most of their conventional weapons under the promise of treaty the USA would defend them... how's that been working out?

Obama wasn't president when the treaty was signed.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances)

UM.. he was part of the people that put that together, him and John Kerry BOTH. But then... keep on defending Obama... nothing he has ever been involved in is ever his fault.

http://www.infowars.com/in-2005-obama-pushed-to-disarm-ukraine/

http://www.fas.org/asmp/campaigns/MANPADS/2005/LugarObama.htm

I'd post the content of that last link...except it it has far too many characters to post. Its dated



Tuesday, August 30, 2005

That article has nothing to do with the treaty I cited in which Russia was a signatory. Putin takes off his shirt and flexes and you righties soil your pants.

Tal what are you yammering about... Obama is up to his pink bra in the Ukraine conventional arms disarmament... that's why they don't have enough left to defend themselves...

And nobody takes Obama seriously except a minority of Democrats... the rest of the USA and most of the world see him for what he is... an Amateur that is unqualified and not smart enough to learn how to do the job he managed to get.

THank god for us and the rest of the world... he will be gone once and for all in less than 3 years. If we take over the Senate and keep the house this election...we can impeach him a lot sooner. Nixon did NOTHING compared to what this meglomaniac has done.

Jimmy Carter can finally die knowing he wasn't the worst President we've had during his lifetime...Obama holds that position now and might always hold it.

On Ukraine, some Russian claims veer from reality - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/on-ukraine-some-russian-claims-veer-from-reality/2014/03/04/d17ccc90-a3df-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html)

Lets start with something other than the right wing talking points that your own links refute your accounts.

Why should we take the word of some ultra left wing propaganda rag...

Yes the Washington COMpost is a left wing extremist rag... I know because I've read it... its degenerated to such a level they don't even care about posting facts... its pure propaganda... you have to "get a thrill up your leg" when the Messiahs name is mentioned to work there... (meaning Obama) I cancelled my subscription to it because you get more factual reporting in the National Enquirer than you do in the Washington COMpost... which is why they are teetering on bankruptcy.


I'm qualified to make that statement because its one of two local papers where I llive and work. So is the USA Today....another worthless publication.

I can't blame you there Smoothy. I dismiss right wing rags the same way. OMG, we are more alike than we know!!

We invaded Grenada to 'protect Americans '. Then again ; Hitler carved out Sudetenland under the same pretext. Putin carved South Ossetia from Georgia for the same pretext. He would've taken all of Georgia except for the fact that the US and Europe was unified in their response. I don't see the same situation today. I expect that Putin will continue to create political crisis in the country and Ukraine will be consigned to satellite status like Belarus.

That article has nothing to do with the treaty I cited in which Russia was a signatory. Putin takes off his shirt and flexes and you righties soil your pants.

Um, it ain't us soiling out pants over this and posting pics of the emperor wearing mom jeans to show how he has it under control.

P.S. forget the mom jeans, nothing says projecting strength like an alphabet rug (https://twitter.com/BrianFaughnan/statuses/440906859256754176).

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NBC hired a shrink before hiring David Gregory to host Meet the Press and is now trying to embarrass him into quitting ..... but ,NBC never hired a shrink for Sharpton, Madcow or Schultz . lol

NBC hired 'psychological consultant' for David Gregory - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/04/nbc-hired-psychological-consultant-for-gregory-187140.html)

NBC hired a shrink before hiring David Gregory to host Meet the Press and is now trying to embarrass him into quitting ..... but ,NBC never hired a shrink for Sharpton, Madcow or Schultz . lol

NBC hired 'psychological consultant' for David Gregory - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/04/nbc-hired-psychological-consultant-for-gregory-187140.html)


Tom, the term "shrink" is an idiom. The term is totally useless in terms of the link you posted. The article itself actually says as much.

When all else fails there is a certain security in reverting to political point scoring.

There are estimated to be at least twenty-five thousand idiomatic expressions in English according to Wiki .Should they all be eliminated ...or are you just becoming another NK ?

There are estimated to be at least twenty-five thousand idiomatic expressions in English according to Wiki .Should they all be eliminated ...or are you just becoming another NK ?

No they shouldn't. But idioms shouldn't be used when providing an interpretation of a text. Please stick to an analysis of the text without the need to take liberties. This is especially true when the actual text provides a satisfactory explanation.

No they shouldn't. But idioms shouldn't be used when providing an interpretation of a text. Please stick to an analysis of the text without the need to take liberties. This is especially true when the actual text provides a satisfactory explanation.
It would be a pretty boring site if all we did was provide links . I provided commentary .Take it or leave it .

PC is such a drag, it leaves no place for opinion, and that is all we have here, opinion, and you know Tom opinions are like arseholes, evryone has got one and none more functional than the other

It would be a pretty boring site if all we did was provide links . I provided commentary .Take it or leave it .

In terms of an attempted at analysis of the text it is it is pretty ordinary to say the least. This is not surprising since I am sure you are trying to put a right wing spin on it.

In these circumstances I guess it is understandable.


P.S. Sorry about being boring.

I think their first choice for a name was PRAVDA... but since someone holds a copyright on that apparently they had to settle on MSNBC.

THey probibly have more employees than they have viewers.

Anyway ....NBC had no right to release the fact that they had a shrink evaluate him....and ;if Gregory needs a shrink.... Ed Schultz needs a frontal lobe job.

Ed Schultz needs a brain implant... to fill the cavity in his cranium now. Hes a clueless dolt. I heard his lunatic rants on AFRTS (Armed Forces Radio and TV service) back when he was excusively on the radio. He should have been put on anti-psycotic medications years ago.

You guys truly are the lowest common denominator.

Nope... Ed Schultz fills that position already. And he works extremely hard to keep it.

Why ? I'm defending their fine host of 'Meet the Depressed '

all of this is making me depressed

Be glad YOU don't have them... but then you actually might have one of your own as pathetic as they are.

No they don't seem to last here, ratings are too important even people like Colbert didn't seem to last more than a season

I guess the larger population base allows for enough pathetic viewers to let them squeak by a lot longer. Personally... I worry about people that watch that almost as much as the loons running that insane asylum.

You do get some would be comedians but a season or two seems to see them out, for a long time we have found revue style comedy attractive but I expect we have seen too many sitcoms, we even exported Paul Hogan but the standard didn't rise much in either place just more banal crapola

I watched about 3 minutes of Chris Hayes the other night. That's about as long as most viewers can take PMSNBC.

They are still flogging Christie's "Bridgegate " daily ..spending more time on it than CNN has done about the missing plane....But they have not mentioned that across the river ,Governor Andrew Cuomo in March decommissioned his own 'Moreland Commission ' on public corruption which he empaneled last year . When Cuomo appointed them he proclaimed that they would be an independent commission that would have free reign to investigate anything related to public corruption in the state without interference .
When questioned about the decommisioning ,and possible interference by his office in it's investigations ,Cuomo pulled one of his tantrums ....

“It's not a legal question. The Moreland Commission was my commission,” ... “It's my commission. My subpoena power, my Moreland Commission. I can appoint it, I can disband it. I appoint you, I can un-appoint you tomorrow.
"So, interference? It's my commission. I can't 'interfere' with it, because it is mine. It is controlled by me.”

But Cuomo in fact did interfere in their investigations. As reported by Daily Snooze ,the Commission killed a subpoena to the state Democrats,and the Real Estate Board of New York that they served to the state Republicans and Independant Parties .
Gov. Cuomo's Anti-Corruption Commission Kills Subpoena To NYS Democratic Party - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/gov-cuomo-anti-corruption-commission-kills-subpoena-nys-democratic-party-blog-entry-1.1696593)

Southern District U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara says that he would take “very, very seriously any suggestion” that Cuomo's office interfered with the Moreland Commission;and said he wouldn't rule out an ethics probe into the Cuomo's administration involvement in 'Morelandgate ' . He has issued a grand jury subpoena seeking emails, text messages and other records from all the members of the anticorruption commission .
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/06/nyregion/us-said-to-seek-records-from-anticorruption-panels-members.html?_r=0
As of now I am not aware of MSNBC ,or any of the dinosaur networks reporting on this growing scandal.

You know the rules Tom, to see democrats get flogged you have to turn to FOX.

How do explain the lack of coverage in the so called 'main stream' ? I really don't see much coverage about it anywhere to be honest . Here you have 2 NY metropolitan area governors who have Presidential ambitions involved in local "scandals" . Where one of them has been dutifully flogged for months by the national media ;the other one's scandal barely makes it out of local coverage .

But The Jewish voice is on the case .


The U.S. federal prosecutor who has subpoenaed phone and computer records from members of Gov. Andrew Cuomo's anti-corruption commission, including Blackberry smartphones may now believe there was interference in allowing the Moreland Commission to follow thru on the investigations they began before being disbanded. When federal prosecutors took possession of the commission’s documents and computers, they also collected the BlackBerry smartphones because in the commission’s early days, senior members of its staff were told to communicate with Mr. Cuomo’s aides only via BlackBerry PIN messages, which are not recorded on government servers.Cuomo was listed among 18 governors for lack of transparency and ethics, according to a Washington-based government watchdog group. The ranking, as Gannett points out, is a few months old. But it sprung into the spotlight this week as ProPublica published a story showing how Cuomo's aides use non-governmental email accounts to conduct business and skirt state open records laws.
Feds Probe Deeper into Cuomo Interference with NY Moreland Commission Investigations (http://jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7391:feds-probe-deeper-into-cuomo-interference-with-ny-moreland-commission-investigations&catid=112:new-york&Itemid=295)

Well Tom, until more comes to light, there is not as much to flog NY with as it is in NJ.

Well Tom, until more comes to light, there is not as much to flog NY with as it is in NJ.

These are politicians. By definition there will ALWAYS be more corruption.

these are politicians. By definition there will always be more corruption.

And politicking.

I'd say there is as much or more on Cuomo than Christie. Cuomo admits to interfering in the work of the commission that Cuomo said would be completely independent . Christie has been accused of having traffic cones set up to get back at political opponents . Cuomo used the power of his office to attempt to go after his political opponents ,and when they came too close to a Cuomo patron ,he canned the commission.

He even was using the fact that he appointed an anti-corruption commission as a campaign talking point .
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/nyregion/in-tv-ad-cuomo-vows-to-clean-up-corruption.html

Why would he suddenly and abruptly disband the commission ? That is what the Federal prosecutor has to find out .

so the emperor will be in town this week, tying up traffic on the NY Thruway, so he can use the construction project at the Tappan Zee Bridge to tout his plans for more infrastructure spending . But the real reason he will be there is to throw Cuomo a bone, who appears to be a bit nervous about his upcoming reelection campaign against Rep Westchester County Exec Rob Astorino. (Westchester is on the east side of the Tappan Zee Bridge) .

Christie has been taking heat for months about a couple of traffic cones slowing down traffic over the Hudson River . But the emperor will not take any heat about traffic delays over the Hudson that he will cause.

The emperor will start the ball rolling tomorrow with the release of an analysis on the need to pay for these types of repairs and upgrades. Then Wednesday it's off the NY and Cleveland .Friday he will speak in Washington. The emperor knows that this type of funding must originate in the House of Reps. It's not one of those issues he can accomplish by pulling executive fiat out of his bag of tricks.

The Federal Highway Trust Fund collects more than $30 Billion per year in gas taxes. And there are 47,714 miles of interstate highways that the Trust Fund is responsible for maintaining.
That's $628,746 dollars PER MILE for repairs.

That's $628,746 dollars PER MILE for repairs.

And Union kickbacks. And Family obligations. And donor paybacks. And the slush fund.

Wonder why the house of reps hasn't taken this up? They must be busy with more important stuff. Very little has originated in the house of reps lately, that helps this nation economically. In light of this vacuum somebody has to actually be doing stuff to build/repair roads and bridges.

THey are working on important things... like getting to the bottom of who is responsible and throwing them in jail.

After all we had to hear about Watergate for 40 years... at least nobody got a paper cut much less died... not to meantion 4 americans dying like Benghazigate.

THe Democrats have been doing EVERYTHING possible to cover it up the last two years....making Nixon a verified SAINT compaired to this administration.

The emperor should approve the Keystone pipeline as good faith measure. The fact is that Speaker Bonehead does have an unacceptable bill that cannot pass the House. He ties funding to all types of imaginary sources(ie tying road projects to tax revenue from oil drilling).
Here is a couple of things to consider . 1. The Federal Government funds entirely too much of the nations highway funding already. 2. The gas tax is a good way to fund it because it puts the burden on the users of the highways. 3. Bills in both the House and the Senate are chock full of pork that needs to be trimmed before any highway bill is acceptable. 4. We spend $billions in the porkulus bill(aka American Recovery and Reinvestment Act )that was supposed to go to "shovel ready " jobs like infrastructure repair . Where did that money go ?

We spend $billions in the porkulus bill(aka American Recovery and Reinvestment Act )that was supposed to go to "shovel ready " jobs like infrastructure repair . Where did that money go ?

I answered that already.


Union kickbacks. And Family obligations. And donor paybacks. And the slush fund.

Some states have actually leveraged the stimulus money into some useful ongoing road/highway projects. Texas is one.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act: Texas Stimulus Impact (http://window.state.tx.us/recovery/)

Texas Recovery: Stimulus Tracking (http://window.state.tx.us/recovery/transparency/tracking.php)

You could research other states including yours.

http://www.recovery.gov/

yeah I saw many of these signs when road crews filled in pot holes .....
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they fill in pot holes, that's equivalent to painting rocks white,

Now that's a pot hole
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-13/fire-engine-stuck-in-sink-hole/5448560

have (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-13/fire-engine-stuck-in-sink-hole/5448560have) you seen the new plan for roads, made of glass and solar cells? guess what no pot holes?

You would feel differently if you hit a pothole at 50 miles an hour and tore up your vehicle and killed yourself. Painting rocks it's NOT.

Road repair | Smart Growth America (http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/tag/road-repair/)

2013 Report Card for America's Infrastructure | Roads (http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/roads/)

If a single dollar of that was actually spent on that... it would have been worthwile... but 99.9% of it just vanished into thin air... without any projects being funded that can be accounted for.

You would feel differently if you hit a pothole at 50 miles an hour and tore up your vehicle and killed yourself. Painting rocks it's NOT.

Road repair | Smart Growth America (http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/tag/road-repair/)

2013 Report Card for America's Infrastructure | Roads (http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/roads/)

You don't get what I mean. Pot holes mean the underlying structure has given way so filling them is a temporary measure that doesn't attend to the real problem and may mask a greater problem

Pot holes mean the underlying structure has given way Nope. Usually it's because a crack allowed water in and the cycle of freeze, expand, thaw, freeze, expand, breaks up the asphalt.

Nope. Usually it's because a crack allowed water in and the cycle of freeze, expand, thaw, freeze, expand, breaks up the asphalt.

Whereas down South they're often the site of an abandoned ant nest, and Clete's scenario.

What is a pot hole is the highway funding system. 25% of Federal funding is thrown at mass transit projects ,and other diversions such as bike paths, national park visitor centers, museums,creating scenic trails,and other local pork barrel projects.

Whereas down South they're often the site of an abandoned ant nestHah! I never knew that. We are products of our environment indeed. Cheers.

Nope. Usually it's because a crack allowed water in and the cycle of freeze, expand, thaw, freeze, expand, breaks up the asphalt.

obviously a failure to understand the mechanism, yes water is the problem but when it freezees it not only damages the asphault surface, ice expands and when it does it forces a hole in the foundation, if that is not fixed the hole will just reappear because the foundation in the spot is no longer solid

It's the unwillingness to fund the maintenance of road bridges and infrastructure that's the problem, not the science. We see this all over the place as states have decreased revenue. Nobody has been watching as localities have been downgraded on their bond ratings and are facing budgetary shortfalls. 6 times in NJ for example, in the last 6 years.

well the solution is more local taxes or accept the lower service level

well the solution is more local taxes or accept the lower service level

The problem is the Liberals will want to exempt half the population for paying their fair share of this tax, like they have been exempted from paying their fair share of most of the other taxes already. And they will want to appropriate the taxes of the more wealthy areas to subsidize the less wealthy areas...

A problem that already exists with state and local taxes already.

THen we are back to the TRILLION DOLLAR "ObamaStimulous" package... exactly what was it spent on anyway? That would have replaced a LOT of bridges and fixed a LOT of other things... yet nobody can say what exactly all that money actually bought.

Ok so you are saying you can't see any bang for your buck but these things are a matter of public record so you should be able to find it

When the current administration is as transparent as the average Planet.. Surely you jest.

The links were posted and how hard is it to click on a link and actually read what the states have posted? Building projects were a third of the recovery act. Tax cuts were another, as well as social programs.

Breakdown of Funding (http://www.recovery.gov/arra/Transparency/fundingoverview/Pages/fundingbreakdown.aspx#Entitlements)

Social Programs = Welfare and handouts to people who didn't earn or pay for them.

I'm middle class, I didn't get a dime of a tax break, yet I am not exempt from any of the taxes the 49% are either.


The Unemployment funding? 99 weeks of welfare (unemployment benifits) so nobody has to try to get a job very hard for a few years?

You mean McDonald's and Walmart workers who pay payroll taxes?

You mean McDonald's and Walmart workers who pay payroll taxes?
None of them effectively actually pay any FEDERAL income taxes.. yet they get free stuff from the Federal Government the rest of us who actually pay higher Federal taxes than we should to pay otherwise.

he means he wants to gripe because he didn't get any, but the day will come when he will wring his hands with glee at the thought of the other 49% who will be done down, such a shame he has to wait a long time

They file a tax return and get a refund just like the rich guys who pay no taxes. Look at all the tax breaks Walmart gets and we are talking billions, yet the workers need food stamps. I mean give me a 10 year deal of no taxes. And the stuff they sell comes from even cheaper labor in third world countries under terrible conditions.

We have had this debate and its pointless.

he means he wants to gripe because he didn't get any, but the day will come when he will wring his hands with glee at the thought of the other 49% who will be done down, such a shame he has to wait a long time
It means like everything else that eminates from this administration... its all, smoke, mirrors and false and misleading information.

I don't know anyone who got anything... I don't know anyone who did get anything... and I don't know anyone who's seen any of these so-called projects actually result in something tangible.

They file a tax return and get a refund just like the rich guys who pay no taxes. Look at all the tax breaks Walmart gets and we are talking billions, yet the workers need food stamps. I mean give me a 10 year deal of no taxes. And the stuff they sell comes from even cheaper labor in third world countries under terrible conditions.

We have had this debate and its pointless.
They get more back than they pay in at the end of the year... result is not taxes paid. In fact they get MORE money back than they actually paid in... they are getting paid to not pay any taxes.

Its simple basic math. Johnny gives Uncle Sam 5 dollars, Uncle Sam gives Johnny back 7 dollars... in the end Uncle Sam has NONE of Johnny's money... and Johnny walks away with more than he started with, from people who didn't get their money back from Uncle Sam.

Its not hard to understand... some people just believe Johnny is owed something he never earned because he decided to hang out with delinquents, not study, eventually drop out of school... and play the victim card because nobody wants to hire a poorly educated drop out for a high paying job.

Look you arn't the only ones with a zero sum gain but that's what taxation is about, you give now and maybe in the future you will get some, some just get it earlier than others. You are against a higher minimum wage but reality says all employers should be responsible and give their workers a fare share of the results. I hate this cannon fodder approach where half the population are ignored

Mitt pays no taxes. He get an accountant to write stuff off, and he send the government a check for 13% of his income depending on how sharp his guy is and then goes to a island with a bank and visits his hidden money he pays no taxes on. Then he hops on a plane to some European country and visits that money, and he stops in Switzerland so his wife can visit her money, then he goes home to raid the pension fund of some small midwestern company that the whole town works at, gives the contracts to some overseas company and takes more loot to the island and pays no taxes.

The guys who worked at the company lose everything because the Burger King goes out of business because nobody's working and can't afford a burger because they got no money to support their lazy a$$es so the whole town collapses.

And then a character like you comes along and tells the lazy a$$es they should have worked harder, and it's their fault Mitt came and stole everything because HE earned it.

well of course when did a right wing take responsibility for the failures of their leadershipno, rip off is the way to go, all the way to the bank

The lefties here praise countries like Australia with high minimum wages while ignoring the obvious fact that these higher minimum wages promotes job loss when companies find it more economical to automate.
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McDonalds Touch Interface Ordering System - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dC6eDmpKN8)
Will Robots Steal Your Job? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tcV6CIf1fo#t=15)
Momentum Machines | The Next Industrial Revolution (http://momentummachines.com/#product)

"Electronic menus that replace physical beings is nothing new. Microsoft has been pushing its touchscreen computer, the Surface, which has mostly been a big hit at Vegas casinos, hotels, and clubs"

Look you arn't the only ones with a zero sum gain but that's what taxation is about, you give now and maybe in the future you will get some, some just get it earlier than others. You are against a higher minimum wage but reality says all employers should be responsible and give their workers a fare share of the results. I hate this cannon fodder approach where half the population are ignored

The point is 49% of the population not contributing a dime effectively right NOW in any Federal income taxes... yet they are still going to be sucking the system dry in the future too. That's why there are the deficits there are now... everyone doesn't pay their fair share.

well of course when did a right wing take responsibility for the failures of their leadershipno, rip off is the way to go, all the way to the bank

Maybe because we haven't had a leader as completely incompetent as the dufus in the white House the left considers a Messiah in more than the last 50 years.

The most recent republican was in charge during the worst terrorist attack ever on US soil as well as the worst financial downturn ever. But facts just get in the way of your rhetoric.

The most recent republican was in charge during the worst terrorist attack ever on US soil as well as the worst financial downturn ever. But facts just get in the way of your rhetoric.

Are you really that stupid? It appears so.

Becaause you are willfully ignorant of the Democrats involvement in everything that lead to those. But then, what can we expect from the Canadian School Systems anyway. THey gave up on teaching facts generations ago apparently.

Bill Clinton holds FULL responsibility for OBL running free... and the Democrat Kabul... inCluding Obama played a MAJOR part in setting up the Financial Meltdown... all well established FACTS... But then its also well established... you have no use for facts, they get in the way of your rants.


And incidently...despite Liberals claims to the contrary....the recession isn't over....and Obamas own policies have made sure it would keep dragging on as long as possible. THats Obamas fault.....not Bushes fault.


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THe worst day under Bush was far better than the best day under OBama the last almost 6.5 years. BUt then A Canadian wouldn't know that...go back to watching Dudley-Do-Right.

Are you really that stupid?No but you seem to be.
The meltdown happened before Obama, here are some facts: Financial crisis of 2007–08 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%9308)
Not sure what Obama did since he wasn't in a position to make federal legislation.

Not sure why you attack me personally or the canadian education system for that matter. I guess small minds need to find something to attack.

I see you are going back and editing your posts again. <sigh> I guess you have nothing better to do.

THe worst day under Bush was far betterSo you celebrate the deaths of 3,000 of your fellow americans? That's cold.

You holler but don't fix, just blame the other guy. That's no solution Smoothy given that repeating Fox talking points doesn't translate into legislation that helps anyone but rich guys. Keep shoveling money at Mitt and his boys while you sing his praises when he gets back from visiting his money he is socking away overseas.

You have made greed a virtue, and a right, and slavery a capitalistic business model. All those former middle class people reduced to poverty to preserve the bottomline.

No but you seem to be.
The meltdown happened before Obama, here are some facts: Financial crisis of 2007–08 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%9308)
Not sure what Obama did since he wasn't in a position to make federal legislation.

Not sure why you attack me personally or the canadian education system for that matter. I guess small minds need to find something to attack.

I see you are going back and editing your posts again. <sigh> I guess you have nothing better to do.


Are most Canadians as clueless as you seem to be? I certainly hope not.

You holler but don't fix, just blame the other guy. That's no solution Smoothy given that repeating Fox talking points doesn't translate into legislation that helps anyone but rich guys. Keep shoveling money at Mitt and his boys while you sing his praises when he gets back from visiting his money he is socking away overseas.

You have made greed a virtue, and a right, and slavery a capitalistic business model. All those former middle class people reduced to poverty to preserve the bottomline.

WHen you have brain damaged people Like Harry Ried prancing aroung like Napoleon... acting like he alone is in the Senate... then nothing CAN be fixed.

Obama couldn't run a sidewalk lemonade stand without bankrupting it. Mitt unlike most Democrat career polititians at least thas successfully run a business.and a state. Obama has done neither.

King Mitt throws people out of work and bankrupts companies to sell on the cheap to another rich guy for his profits. Still burns right wing butt he failed to win his election.

Karma you have to get in smoothy's mind Bill Clintooon is responsible for everything apparently because his cruise missiles missed allowing OBL to make a comeback and just because Obama advocated for loans to the poor he is responsible for the GFC, he forgets the GFC was caused by greed, the greed of the bankers, the greed of Wall Street, Obama's response might have been over the top but they don't have a depression, just a recession and I have news for them, it took Japan ten years to get any sort of real recovery going and it might take america just as long and that is because of failed trade policies and you can't blame Obama for that but give him time, he is going down the same disasterous path..

the problems with the american economy are structural and the reasons of that go back a long way. It is the price of empire, when empires go into decline so does the economy. America was the empire of the twentieth century, time to realise it and move on, otherwise you will become like Mussolini, trying to revive past glories

"Electronic menus that replace physical beings is nothing new. Microsoft has been pushing its touchscreen computer, the Surface, which has mostly been a big hit at Vegas casinos, hotels, and clubs"
completely besides the point . Micky Ds in the US has not adopted them even though they are available in Europe and Aussie. The reason has been that there was no great reason to switch to them as long as their labor costs were in line. Min wage increases will be the deciding factor because of the labor expenses. Who suffers ? People looking for start up jobs. Hate to break it to the libs here ;but a job flipping burgers at Micky Ds was never intended to be a lifetime position.

In light of the recent shifting of middle class jobs overseas no job is strictly a start up job, or just for teenagers any more. A fact you conservatives try to ignore, in search for the cheapest labor. Wait until Romney raids YOUR pension funds.

Maybe way back when McDonalds started it wasn't intended to be a job to actually live off of, but it's is now. Instead of being grateful you still have YOUR job, you put down folks who need one when there are few of them to be had in the first place.

Conservative thinking all the way. (From some anyway.............lots of conservative poor people out there!)

completely besides the point .No it isn't. It's technology that's making it's way into retail, regardless of location or minimum wage laws. For you to say that's "it's not McDonalds so it's irrelevant" is intellectually dishonest.

Grocery stores have had self check out for a decade now. Everyone has a card swipe.

You're delusional if you think there is no connection. I'm not saying that the technology didn't exist. I'm saying that the conversion will accelerate if employers find it saves them money..

Forget Micky d's . The small mom and pop bodega will install it if it's cost efficient ;and driving up min wage 40% (20 % above the adjust inflation rate since 1968 );and to index it to the rate of inflation in the future , will guarantee that the conversion will be hastened. To put it simply ;it will worsen the competitive position of low skill workers vs. machines.

http://econweb.tamu.edu/jmeer/Meer_West_Minimum_Wage.pdf

These low skilled jobs are going to disappear anyway.... it's the speed of the conversion that is at issue .

Ok, let's follow your theory. Give me a country with, in your opinion, an acceptable minimum wage.

Nice study, except the factor of a grumbling belly overrides empirical STUDIES. You don't need a study to know subsidizing wages for billion dollar companies is CRAZY, given the train of doing business is felt locally, while what they sell cheaply here is made in an even cheaper market environment.

Slower growth maybe but that's not in itself a bad thing at all, since we define growth as profits from one point to the next on a specific time line. Consistent growth would be preferable to fluctuating market conditions artificially applied unevenly as a result of demand. Never heard of Henry Ford huh? He created a demand with balancing affordability with revenue sharing in the form of wages, and got PHAT doing it.

I respectfully submit that as evidence of a better business model than chasing cheap labor and undervaluing labor I the first place. Ignoring the source of DEMAND in the business model in has historically led to hard restriction in circulation that keep supplies afloat and price consistent.

Wages have never led to global financial meltdowns, GREED always has, so expect more, no matter if wages are reduced or restricted. I am a capitalist too, Tom, and know the value of consistent reliable revenue streams over the get rich quick now tactic. That's not capitalism it's greed.

Wages have never led to global financial meltdowns, GREED always has, so expect more, no matter if wages are reduced or restricted. I am a capitalist too, Tom, and know the value of consistent reliable revenue streams over the get rich quick now tactic. That's not capitalism it's greed.

Yes Tal but all Tom and his ilk know is the greed economy and they think it actually works instead of creating the situation that exists today. The fact is it works for a few privileged individuals and now your greatest competitor, the chinese have bought into this business model and are out competing you at it while the "capitalists" sit around and moan about lower wages and high taxes

BIll Clinton is who got the offshoring in high gear... THank the democrat party.

I set up a number of different datacenters based in this region that were designed for low paid people in several parts of India to do jobs Middle class Americans used to do. In fact a large part of the work I did under Clintons terms were that exactly

a large part of the work I did under Clintons terms were that exactly
But none under Bush?

BIll Clinton is who got the offshoring in high gear... THank the democrat party.

I set up a number of different datacenters based in this region that were designed for low paid people in several parts of India to do jobs Middle class Americans used to do. In fact a large part of the work I did under Clintons terms were that exactly

At last we know who to blame for economic demise in the west. It is YOU!!! and you dare to come here and blame others

But none under Bush? Actually...not really....it was hard and heavy under CLinton, once the issues they had with a third world telecom infrastructure started geting sorted out. Some of them went Belly up a few years later. Americans didn't like it then, and they don't like it now either.....when you call and American Company for support...you really want to talk to an American here in America. Not someone in India.

The problems created really burned up a lot of the savings made with the lower wages. Sometimes it ended up costing more as a result.

I got a lot of overtime doing it....never thought it was a great idea....but I wasn't asked what I thought....they wanted something...they paid for it....I did my part to deliver it to them.

At last we know who to blame for economic demise in the west. It is YOU!!! and you dare to come here and blame others

Really? My job was delivering data services worldwide to people, businesses and governments that paid for them. What they did with them wasn't my resonsibility, though I did know quite well what was being done...and what was transpiring...and a lot of what was passing through them. I only made sure they worked once I put them in, and dealt with any issues that cropped up down the road, and everything I saw and heard while doing the job needed to stay confidential. I was paid well for doing that. I've worked with nearly every Telecom company in the world....and with nearly every country in the world at one point or other during most of the last 30+ years, and several emlpoyers.. I was even involved in several communications satellite launches over those years as well. It was a good job as far as I was concerned....I found it quite interesting....and quite satisfying....even if frustrating from time to time.

yes but what you did was show the Indians this was a business model that might work and those industrious little buggers sold it all over the world so now, not only you, but we have to put up with foriegners who can be barely understood in call centres answering queries as well a job losses like your quote says "you can't fix stupid"

yes but what you did was show the Indians this was a business model that might work and those industrious little buggers sold it all over the world so now, not only you, but we have to put up with foriegners who can be barely understood in call centres answering queries as well a job losses like your quote says "you can't fix stupid"
I didn't show them anyting... I've never been in the sales side of things. Most of those "industrious buggers" are the ones that dreamed it up. Many of them really have no imagination... but a few do... and had the resources to pursue it... Here's one name I'm sure you have heard of... TATA... they were a major player. And a HUGE company with a lot of resources.

TA TA interesting connotations. This is what you get for playing in someoneelse's sand pit, we should never have woken China, India and Japan. Left in ignorance they would be feudal worlds to this day

If they are smart enough to develop NUKES, you better be able to deal with them.

they are great copiers, I'm waiting for something original to emerge

India just elected a new PM, and they have nukes, not copied, developed. They had a turnout of half a million. Watch out China.

Na. That's a zero sum game and both are smart enough to realise it. Just because someone can apply principles developed and tested by someoneelse is not original thought. Once the nuclear power industry proliferated the rest just follows, otherwise why is everyone bothered by Iran.

It is good the Indians voted for change, it might keep more of their people at home, they have proven to be very mobile in recent times

Narendra Modi is an interesting character. I can tell he is shaking up the socialist establishment by how the press is braying about him.

Yes a new broom perhaps, certainly he has a track record of getting things done. I think we may see India abandon its apologist stance towards Pakistan. We will see how Mr. Pivot towards Asia handles that one

if the emperor is smart ,he will adopt the closer strategic relationship policy with India that GWB started . Bush made an error in denying a visa to Modi to enter America ,trying to appease the Pakis .That error has been corrected I believe . But that is a wound in the relationship that needs healing . Modi was singularly targeted for alleged oppression of religious freedom ,in a world where religious persecutions occur daily . Further ,Modi has been cleared of any wrong doing by 3 Indian investigations.

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion there is anything like due process in India, but you do need to learn to be more across the politics of other places otherwise you will behave like some of these less civilised places instaed of just looking like them

I'm looking to see if he follows through with free market reforms as he has indicated . If he does ,and the Indian economy takes off, then watch out !

I'm looking to see if he follows through with free market reforms as he has indicated . If he does ,and the Indian economy takes off, then watch out !


The Indian economy already has a high growth rate, what they will do is start to take business away from the Chinese, we are already seeing their cars emerge into our market, and the view is like, Belarus all over again, but... It is actually surprising what India already exports, besides people; medical supplies, drugs and I expect they will want to be able to pay us for our uranium, coal and iron ore

much of that economy comes from his Gujarat province. The US press is full of reports about his supposed extremism.... Evidently he couldn't control a mob of Hindus that were upset that a train full of Hindus were burned to death by Muslim terrorists.

much of that economy comes from his Gujarat province. The US press is full of reports about his supposed extremism.... Evidently he couldn't control a mob of Hindus that were upset that a train full of Hindus were burned to death by Muslim terrorists.

Hey who control a mob of Indians? the people of the subcontinent are a very volatile people and they have to do something for entertainment, it's a contact sport.

I wonder what you would do in the same circumstances, I know, shoot something

So would you wouldn't you? Look at what you do with boat people, or the indigenous that don't assimilate. Well maybe you wouldn't shoot them, just bust heads if they get out of hand, eh? Round them up and isolate them?

We will see when there are twice as many living on your island.

So would you wouldn't you? Look at what you do with boat people, or the indigenous that don't assimilate. Well maybe you wouldn't shoot them, just bust heads if they get out of hand, eh? Round them up and isolate them?

We will see when there are twice as many living on your island.

Tal it is difficult to protect people from themselves, but the "boat people" have broken our laws and deliberately so. Your illegals have broken your laws and deliberately so, but you seem to think it is alright to exploit them as a source of cheap labour. We don't have the same view. As far as the indigenous are concerned any person wanting to live in a traditional way can do it, but that means you can't live in a city. We have tried to deal with the problems of indigenous just as you have tried to deal with your poor, if you have the solutions why are 50% of your people below the poverty line. Criticise us how you may but that doesn't happen here. When you have done away with Gitmo you can lecture us on how we deal with boat people, it isn't our finest hour, but we have the same right to border protection as you do, but we can't build a wall or a fence. By the way we haven't shot anyone in a demonstration in a awfully long time, our wallopers prefer to wallop them

The only problem with twice as many living on our island is water, every other resource is adequate but the Indians are a problem in large populations, ask FiJi

Yesterday the emperor caused a huge traffic tie up when he stopped his motorcade to play catch. Where is the outrage by the drones on MSNBC ? I think they are on their 4th month of non-stop coverage of the GWB lane closures.

btw ... this was a cheap photo-op by the emperor ahead of his campaign photo-op with 'IL Duce of NY' Andrew Cuomo at the Baseball Hall of Fame.

caused a huge traffic tie up when he stopped his motorcade to play catchThese are the things that keep you up at night? Not net neutrality or NSA spying?

none of these issues keep me up at night .

Well it prompted you to post here so surely it got a rise out of you. I guess traffic tie-ups are a big issue there for the republicans... other issues not so much I guess.

Speaking of GWB (the bridge not the ex Prez),

Christie spokesman says he believed lane closures were for traffic study, was told of staffer role (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/13/1299100/-Christie-spokesman-says-he-believed-lane-closures-were-for-traffic-study-was-told-of-staffer-role)

And newly emerging for the governor who would be president,

Christie's Wall St. Donors Won Huge Contracts, Sucked Out Fat Pension Fees | Crooks and Liars (http://crooksandliars.com/2014/03/christies-wall-st-donors-won-huge)

I don't lose sleep but LMAO at the republican clown show.

And Yet Democrats think Watergate was such a horrible event... and Benghazigate is nothing at all to complain about.

And Yet Democrats think Watergate was such a horrible event...

You don't think it was?


and Benghazigate is nothing at all to complain about.

Well geeez, how many hearing do you guys have to have before you figure it it? Or prove something? Anything?

Admit it! We impeach presidents better than you guys. Plus you guys are so scared of Hillary running in 2016, AND winning you will do anything... ANYTHING to stop it. Good luck with that... wear diapers!!

Nobody even got a papercut during Watergate... During Benghazigate 4 Americans died, EMbassy burned aand looted, Embassador anally raped and killed and Several High Ranking people in the Armed forces were fired by the administration for even wanting to do something. And two years ov major coverups all the way to the Whitehouse that started immediately. Yes its obvious how Watergate was so much worse when not even a doorknob was damaged.

THen the Fast and Furious coverup etc... etc... (deaths there too)

Conservative strategy- Holler, obstruct, LOSE, repeat!!

People need to be Hung over Benghazigate ... starting with the Shrew herself and all the way to the top,

People died... New standards were set for gross incompetence... Military carreers were ruined because they wanted to aid out people... all Because Obama didn't want distracted from his fundraising trip, and didn't want any of his Muslim brothers harmed.