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joecrx
Mar 30, 2007, 08:27 AM
Hi can eny 1 help me with this problem
I have honda civic crx 92 D16A9 some time don't want to start when it don't want to start I don't hear the fuel pump don't matter if its cold or hot.I leave it some time it works
Main Relay 100% OK I tested it.ignition switch is new.

TxGreaseMonkey
Mar 30, 2007, 08:43 AM
Your ECM may be failing and preventing the second relay in the main relay from closing. When this happens, the fuel pump won't run. Run the K-Test (see Sticky).

joecrx
Mar 30, 2007, 10:49 AM
OK
How do I run k-test

joecrx
Mar 30, 2007, 11:13 AM
I fawned it

TxGreaseMonkey
Mar 30, 2007, 11:56 AM
Here's how:

The K-Test: Remove the MAP Sensor connector and turn the ignition switch to ON (not start). Using a multimeter, check for 5 volts going between the MAP Sensor connector's reference wire (+) and ground. As you look at the connector, this is the socket on the right. Really press the black test lead into a cleaned main ECM ground on the thermostat housing. If the voltage is low, it's probably indicating ECM failure. Most failed ECMs will record a fraction of a volt.

joecrx
Mar 30, 2007, 02:21 PM
Thanks
Its late now ill do that tomorrow 1st thing and let u no

joecrx
Mar 31, 2007, 02:05 AM
Hi
I did the k-test I'm reading 4.9volts. Dos that mean I have to chang ECM or thers a way to fix it

TxGreaseMonkey
Mar 31, 2007, 09:56 AM
Your ECM pasts the K-Test and it shouldn't be the cause of your car not starting. I know you think your main relay is good, but if your fuses are good and your ECM is good, the problem is likely with the main relay. My advice is to resolder it or install a new one.

joecrx
Mar 31, 2007, 10:19 AM
Can the wire harness because the problem. I'm using bran new main relay I did this test it past

Remove the main relay.
Attach the battery positive terminal to the No. 4 terminal and the battery negative terminal to the No. 8 terminal of the main relay. Then check for continuity between the No. 5 terminal and No. 7 terminal of the main relay.
If there is continuity, go on to step 3.
If there is no continuity, replace the relay and retest.
Attach the battery positive terminal to the No. 5 terminal and the battery negative terminal to the No. 2 terminal of the main relay. Then check that there is continuity between the No. 1 terminal and No. 3 terminal of the main relay.
If there is continuity, go on to step 4.
If there is no continuity, replace the relay and retest.
Attach the battery positive terminal to the No. 3 terminal and battery negative terminal to the No. 8 terminal of the main relay. Then check that there is continuity between the No. 5 terminal and No. 7 terminal of the main relay.
If there is continuity, the relay is OK; If the fuel pump still does not work, go to Harness Test.
If there is no continuity, replace the relay and retest.

TxGreaseMonkey
Mar 31, 2007, 10:23 AM
Bench testing a main relay doesn't mean much, since you don't have the ability to simulate the heat that causes bad solder joints to act up.

From my experience, main relays should be replaced every 10 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first. They are a very problematic component.

joecrx
Mar 31, 2007, 12:13 PM
Thanks that was very good help
Ill try getting one of friends car and see how it runs or bye nother new one.

joecrx
Mar 31, 2007, 03:26 PM
Hi
Ill try to get one of friends car or bye new one and see what happens

joecrx
Apr 1, 2007, 03:21 AM
Thanks that was very good help
I got one from friend off his car gave him mine to try for one week
When its running main relay gets very hot is that normal

TxGreaseMonkey
Apr 1, 2007, 05:48 AM
They will get pretty warm which, along with higher ambient temperatures, causes flaws in solder joints and leads to intermittent failure. I think it's a good idea to drill several ventilation holes in the top of the plastic cover.

joecrx
Apr 1, 2007, 07:40 AM
True its worm from the outside and hot inside

hiperf402
Apr 1, 2007, 08:05 PM
Go Back To School And Learn To Spell Correctly.

joecrx
Apr 2, 2007, 02:42 AM
English is not my language and I didn't learn english from shool. At least I have manners what you don't have I think you need a place to learn some manners.

joecrx
Apr 5, 2007, 07:30 AM
Hi txgreasemonkey
I still have the same problem I'm confused
When I swich it on I hear the 1st click after 8sec or more I hear the 2nd click with the fuel pump for 2sec and then it stops with 3rd click.after I let it run for 10min and then swich it off and start it its OK the Main Relay works as it has to

TxGreaseMonkey
Apr 5, 2007, 09:08 AM
I would run the K-Test and make sure your ECM is okay. Every 120,000 miles or 10 years, whichever comes first, I recommend you replace main relays, igniters, coils, and even ECMs.

joecrx
Apr 5, 2007, 12:36 PM
Yes ill do that think I have to chek the main relay conecter
Is the k- test enough to no if the ECM is okay

TxGreaseMonkey
Apr 5, 2007, 06:02 PM
For starting problems, the K-Test is usually sufficient to test the ECM.

joecrx
Apr 6, 2007, 01:02 AM
Hi
I did the k-test I'm reading 4.9volts.wen I remove the connecter and try to stars it starts but for 2sec and go s off and check engine light stays on

TxGreaseMonkey
Apr 6, 2007, 07:55 AM
If the Check Engine Light doesn't go out, then the problem is with the ACG (ALT) fuse, main relay, or ignition switch. Since the K-Test showed 4.9 volts, the ECM should be okay. Ensure the main ECM ground on the thermostat housing is clean (no oxidation).

I suspect your ignition switch may be bad.

joecrx
Apr 6, 2007, 09:07 AM
Hi
Wer is the ACG (ALT) fuse

TxGreaseMonkey
Apr 6, 2007, 09:10 AM
Under-dash fuse box. It may be fuse no. 12 or 24. Easiest thing is to check ALL under-dash fuses with a test light or multimeter, then you don't need to even know its exact location.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/cars-trucks/faq-how-troubleshoot-repair-maintain-hondas-46563-3.html#post251124

joecrx
Apr 6, 2007, 09:18 AM
OK ill do that rite away
Thanks

joecrx
Apr 6, 2007, 10:41 AM
I checked it.its fuse 12 I'm reading batt voltage.
The ignition swich is new I think I have a short some wer what ill do ill disconnect all the connecters on the fuse box under the dash and lieve the 1s for the main relay and ignition switch so I can start the car and test it for 2days and see what happens
What do you think?

TxGreaseMonkey
Apr 6, 2007, 11:20 AM
Is fuse No. 12 bad?

Here's how to properly and quickly test fuses:

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/cars-trucks/faq-how-troubleshoot-repair-maintain-hondas-46563-3.html#post252145

joecrx
Apr 6, 2007, 12:42 PM
No its good I'm reading 12volts

TxGreaseMonkey
Apr 6, 2007, 01:26 PM
Stay with it.

joecrx
Apr 7, 2007, 08:40 AM
OK
Ill do Main Relay Harness Tests

joecrx
Apr 10, 2007, 11:59 AM
Hi txgreasemonkey
I did harness tests
1. OK
2. 12.3volt
3. 12.2volt
4. 9.3volt
But got stuck with the 5th test I can't tell wich 1 is connector "A"

TxGreaseMonkey
Apr 10, 2007, 12:16 PM
It's the connector on the left, with 26 pins, as you look at the connectors.

joecrx
Apr 12, 2007, 08:29 AM
The test was OK
Still the same but thanks for the help it was useful and professional