In case you've missed it, there's a real crisis in America besides the shutdown theater... the name of the Washington DC NFL team.

The emperor felt compelled to offer his two cents (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9772653/president-obama-washington-redskins-legitimate-concerns) recently, and Bob Costas interrupted our halftime highlights to weigh in...

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With Washington playing Dallas here tonight, it seems like an appropriate time to acknowledge the ongoing controversy about the name, “Redskins.” Let’s start here: there’s no reason to believe that owner Daniel Snyder, or any official or player from his team, harbors animus towards Native Americans, or chooses to disrespect them. This is undoubtedly also true of the vast majority of those who don’t think twice about the longstanding moniker. And in fact, as best could be determined, even a majority of Native Americans say they are not offended.

But, having stipulated that, there’s still a distinction to be made. Objections to names like Braves, Chiefs, Warriors and the like, strike many of us as political correctness run amuck. These nicknames honor, rather than demean. They’re pretty much the same as Vikings, Patriots, or even Cowboys. And names like Blackhawks, Seminoles and Chippewas, while potentially problematic, can still be okay provided the symbols are appropriately respectful. Which is where the Cleveland Indians, with the combination of their name and Chief Wahoo logo, have sometimes run into trouble.

A number of teams, mostly in the college ranks, have changed their names in response to objections. The Stanford Cardinal and the Dartmouth Big Green were each once the Indians. The St. Johns Redmen are now the Red Storm. And the Miami of Ohio Redskins, that’s right Redskins, are now the RedHawks. Still, the NFL franchise that represents the nation’s capital, has maintained its name.

But think for a moment about the term “Redskins,” and how it truly differs from all the others. Ask yourself what the equivalent would be if directed towards African Americans, Hispanics, Asians or any other ethnic group. When considered that way, “Redskins” can’t possibly honor a heritage or noble character trait, nor can it possibly be considered a neutral term. It’s an insult, a slur, no matter how benign the present day intent.

It’s fair to say that for a long time now, and certainly in 2013, no offense has been intended. But if you take a step back, isn’t it clear to see how offense might legitimately be taken?

Well, that was certainly helpful. Shut up Bob.

NBC also has a dedicated discussion site (http://www.nbcsports.com/nickname) on the topic, and Redskins owner Dan Snyder has already said he will never change the name, which apparently only offends a few.

It's time to end this crisis and save America. Should Snyder cave to the tyranny of the PC minority and if so, how about helping him out with a new name for the team?

One suggestion I've seen, the Washington Barrycaders.

Hello Steve:

Should Snyder cave to the tyranny of the PC minorityYes. Or, he could do it because it's the RIGHT thing to do.

Excon

How about naming them The 'Washington Leviathan ' ? There are plenty of cool images available to use as a template for the helmet design .

Did you know that on the first Redskins team that 4 players and the head coach were Native Americans? Or that their emblem was designed in consultation with the Red Cloud Athletic Fund at the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation? Or that most of us, including Democrats, don't think it's offensive (http://today.yougov.com/news/2013/09/19/people-dont-know-much-about-football-they-have-opi/)? Or that if the PC crowd really wanted to make a difference they would focus on real issues within the Native American community, not the name of a football team?

Personally, I'm much more offended that Dems would run a fake Indian (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/fake-indian-confession-elizabeth-warren-i-told-harvard-i-was-native-american/) for Senate and crown her the next second coming. I don't think your side has any room to talk here.

how about naming them The 'Washington Leviathan ' ? There are plenty of cool images available to use as a template for the helmet design .

I like it. Or it could be much simpler...

I think I will let the man speak for himself on this one...

Letter from Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder to fans - Washington Post (http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-10-09/local/42848059_1_native-americans-redskins-name-football-team)

I like it. Or it could be much simpler...

Yeah we heard similar type of stuff when the Giants moved into NJ. Of course had the business climate been better in DC ,the team would likely have stayed there .

I knew you guys are out to lunch or is it out to the ball game

Yeah we heard similar type of stuff when the Giants moved into NJ. Of course had the business climate been better in DC ,the team would likely have stayed there .

No need to move, just fix the negative association in the name. :)

Hello backwards people:

There were a LOT of things that we did WRONG, in this country, and we changed 'em. THAT'S what makes this country the greatest on earth. But, those changes didn't happen easily.. People held onto the past, because they were afraid. But, once we changed, people found out their fears were unfounded.

Let me ask you Texas fellows something.. Didn't Perry belong to a club named nigger head ranch, or something? Is THAT a cool name? Should it be changed? Or, is it NONE of your business?

excon

Hello backwards people:

There were a LOT of things that we did WRONG, in this country, and we changed 'em. THAT'S what makes this country the greatest on earth. But, those changes didn't happen easily.. People held onto the past, because they were afraid. But, once we changed, people found out their fears were unfounded.

Let me ask you Texas fellows something.. Didn't Perry belong to a club named nigger head ranch, or something? Is THAT a cool name? Should it be changed? Or, is it NONE of your business?

excon

First, the name was painted on the rock when Perry took the lease, he didn't put it there and said he and his father painted over it so that's a manufactured issue. But you keep talking about doing the right thing. What is the right thing?

Is it really the right thing to force a team whose had the name for decades to change it because a few people are offended? They don't own the team, mind your own business. Whatever happened to live and live and do your own thing? Funny how the generation that lived those mottos has spawned the a "my way or the highway" mentality and quite frankly, that offends me.

Hello again, Steve:

What is the right thing?

Is it really the right thing to force a team whose had the name for decades to change it because a few people are offended? I'm glad you asked. Clearly, you don't KNOW.

Was it right for a nation to CHANGE the way southern plantations were run for DECADES because a few people were offended?

You're God damned RIGHT it was!

Is it the right thing to force a team whose had a racist name for decades to change it because a few people are offended?

You're God damned RIGHT it is!

Any questions?

excon

When you manufacture the war - as you do with the war on women - no, there's nothing right about it.

Funny how the generation that lived those mottos has spawned the a "my way or the highway" mentality and quite frankly, that offends me.

Join the party, right wing hollering has been offensive for years. You have been assimilating people for decades, and now don't want to be assimilated as your numbers shrink, and popularity, power, and influence wane.

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated into the collective. You can no longer ignore change, just make it loud and messy. Keep following Ted and his racist constituents that were on display for all to see Friday at the right wing rally.

Now that was truly offensive.

Million Vet March Organizers Condemn Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, and the Tea Party (http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-organizers-condemn-sarah-palin-ted-cruz-tea-party.html)

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated into the collective
That could be the Democrat motto.

Join the party, right wing hollering has been offensive for years. You have been assimilating people for decades, and now don't want to be assimilated as your numbers shrink, and popularity, power, and influence wane.

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated into the collective. You can no longer ignore change, just make it loud and messy. Keep following Ted and his racist constituents that were on display for all to see Friday at the right wing rally.

Now that was truly offensive.

Million Vet March Organizers Condemn Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, and the Tea Party (http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/13/million-vet-march-organizers-condemn-sarah-palin-ted-cruz-tea-party.html)

Obviously all that BS about tolerance and diversity from the left was clearly a lie, you want no individuality at all.

The Democrat solution to the crisis, just outlaw it.

Democrats want to outlaw ‘Washington Redskins’ name (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/14/democrats-want-to-outlaw-washington-redskins-name/)

Obviously all that BS about tolerance and diversity from the left was clearly a lie, you want no individuality at all.

Racism is not to be tolerated and that's where all that hate speech comes from. Its my right to call it out, just as they have a right to spew it.

Outlaw it? No. It should be done voluntarily, it means more then.

Racism is not to be tolerated and that's where all that hate speech comes from. Its my right to call it out, just as they have a right to spew it.

There's nothing racist about it and I feel no need to humor hypocrite Democrats who don't call their own racists out.

Maybe you can also do something with those wetbacks in Tx.

Back to the real issue plaguing our country...


Lawrence O'Donnell: Redskins Owner Dan Snyder the 'George Wallace of the NFL' (http://www.nationalreview.com/node/361278/print)
By Sterling Beard

MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell compared Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder’s defense of his team’s name to segregation on , saying “the force of history will crush” him and his team’s name.

“Dan Snyder is now the George Wallace of the NFL,” O’Donnell said.

After quoting Snyder’s declaration that he would never change the team’s name, O’Donnell played a clip of the segregationist governor’s infamous 1963 inaugural address, in which he promised “segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.”

When Wallace stood in the doorway at the University of Alabama a few months later in an attempt to prevent integration at the school, O’Donnell said, “the inevitable force of history overwhelmed [him], pushed him aside, and the University of Alabama was integrated.”

“The same thing will happen to Dan Snyder. The force of history will crush him. And the name of his football team will be changed,” O’Donnell said.

Apparently this is the outrage du jour on the left, they'll all be piling on soon even though they didn't give a fart about the issue for the last 80 years. Time to crush Snyder for daring to defy them. Up next, the Cleveland Indians - although I would think they should have been the first target...

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It's a straw argument since its just opinion and nothing has changed just hollering. You know about hollering don't you? It's a right, you holler, we holler, its our right to holler.

What the only ones with a right to holler are wingers? You also have a right to holler back if you want to. Bet you didn't know that didja?

I'm all for a name change. I already suggested one . Another option would be the 'Washington Pork Barrels' .

Here's a suitable logo for their helmet .

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7JatVymkwyU/UkXWocUcgPI/AAAAAAAAC2E/c4pWnxFrTYM/s1600/pork-barrel-316.jpg

I like it, fitting for their Hogs legacy.

Got another option that aptly describes the town they play in The Washington Foreskins.
(sorry ,no logo available at this time )

I guess no jews need apply.

I like the Washington Red Skin Potatoes. Think of all the logo and slogan possibilities, Flamin' Taters, Spud Duds, Maryland Mash - and they still get to keep red skins.

How about the Washington WOWboys?

How about the Washington WOWboys?

LOL, suggest it., but I'm thinking the Big Bad Donuts would be better.

It's come to this...

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/StiglT/2013/StiglT20131016_low.jpg

Don't you libs have anything better to do than find crap that offends you, and then offend us with your spiteful tactics and insults?

Don't you libs have anything better to do than find crap that offends youIsn't that what the righties do on this board every day?

Plus he's not "the libs", he's one guy.

Isn't that what the righties do on this board every day?

Plus he's not "the libs", he's one guy.

Thank you for your always insightful and considerate responses.

Hello again, Steve:

Of those three archaic symbols of pride and heritage, which one doesn't belong?

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Of those three archaic symbols of pride and heritage, which one doesn't belong?

excon

Nazis exterminated six million Jews, including over a million children. Confederates (and others) owned slaves. The Redskins play football. You tell me.

Hello again, Steve:

If you wanted to justify one and not the others, that's the way I'd look at it too. However, in terms of their offensiveness, they're the same. Besides, "redskins" is NOT just a football term.

I don't understand why you and the owner want to continue to offend a certain segment of society. Why is that good?

excon

PS> (edited) Is it that you don't think they SHOULD be offended?

I don't understand why you and the owner want to continue to offend a certain segment of society. Why is that good?

I posted this image recently of an Obama OFA activist holding a sign.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1408299/thumbs/n-TEATARDS-SIGN-large570.jpg?6

I can't tell you how many times I've heard and seen some variation of the word "teabagger" used by liberals/progressives, or how many times some black congressman has called us "crackers," or some black Republican an UNcle Tom.

Your side makes it an intentional practice to offend certain segments of society so excuse me while I laugh at your pretense of caring whether people are offended.

Don't you know that old white guys don't have a right to be offended ?

Don't you know that old white guys don't have a right to be offended ?

Oh yeah, doesn't make it right though.

I'm offended. Well not really .

http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/graphics/product_images/pDSP1-14925339p275w.jpg

I found a new reason to be offended by the Filthydelphia Eagles, they're named in honor of this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/NewDealNRA.jpg

Since the emperor recognizes 'Redskins' as an offensive word ,I wonder if his new sense of pc will have him publicly take on the words that campaign contributor and his special guest on his inauguration day ,Jay Z calls young black men and young women .

And what would that be perchance; black skins? The racism in your country knows no bounds, the veneer is cracking

Hello again, tom:

Since the emperor recognizes 'Redskins' as an offensive word If it were ONLY him, we shouldn't change it.. But, of course, it ISN'T only him. It's probably a rather large segment of society. But, even if it's a SMALL segment of society, WHY would you want to offend them?

Apparently, you think you should be the arbiter of all things offensive.. And, if it doesn't offend YOU, it's NOT offensive.

But, beyond that... I thought you wingers were gonna reach out to be more inclusive so you could, maybe WIN a presidential election... No, huh?

excon

I have taken no other position on this issue than to point out the hypocrisy of the emperor and the pc crowd, If I was the owner of the Skins I would change the name just to move past the bs.

And what would that be perchance; black skins? The racism in your country knows no bounds, the veneer is cracking JayZ uses the N word to describe young black men... and hoe ,b*tches and other words for young black women. Apparently because Jay Z is black he's immune from criticism .He is often in attendance at the White House including the time I mentioned.

Apparently the whole hip hop culture gets a pass. As an example here is the lyrics from Eminem's new hit song.
I attempt these lyrical acrobat stunts while I'm practicing that
I'll still be able to break a mother*ckin' table
Over the back of a couple of faggots and crack it in half

Clever eh ? Even lefties like Alex Baldwin gets slapped down for describing someone as a faggot. But Eminem will get sales and a platinum record out of it .

Hello again, tom:

It IS true that some people can call others n******, and some people can't. You find something WRONG with that. I find it sociologically INTERESTING. The relationships between the races is continually evolving, and these are simply steps along the way.

Yes, I KNOW you guys think we've EVOLVED. You think racism is over, and as proof, you offer up our black president.

I don't share your viewpoint.

excon

What you find socially interesting I find hypocritical. I would respect the bi racial emperor more if he wasn't so blatantly one sided. He needs a Sista Souljah moment ;and a smack down of Jay Z and the hip hop culture would do the trick.
I don't think that electing a black President is an achievement at all because we elected the wrong one .Unlike the left ,I don't give him a pass because of the color of his skin ,nor do I form my opinions of him based on his color .

Hello again, tom:

and a smack down of Jay Z and the hip hop culture would do the trick. Again, you think the culture is BAD and WRONG. I don't. And, I'm sure the president doesn't either.

excon

You guys have gerrymandered the TParty into power, and to them the standard of governance is destroy everything they don't like, including their own. What will you do with them? What will you do with all those RHINOS? I bet there are more RHINOS than TParty.

Ummm here In NY a repubic rep is a rare breed due to the very gerrymandering you complain about .

Here in Texas also.

Be careful which Halloween costume you wear .
'Offensive' Halloween costumes banned by US university - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10401584/Offensive-Halloween-costumes-banned-by-US-university.html)
Guess I have to get rid of my Lone Ranger costume .

As long as they don't dress like a twerking Miley Cyrus I don't much care.

Or dress like Marines in their new uni-sex hats .

Or dress like Marines in their new uni-sex hats .

I hear the idea was from the WH but I have to wonder if it was Lurch, you know, because our Marines don't look French enough.

As long as they don't dress like a twerking Miley Cyrus I don't much care.

Maybe they will all be naked because whatever they were to wear is bound to offend somebody.

Maybe they will all be naked because whatever they were to wear is bound to offend somebody.

Good point, and of course being naked doesn't offend anyone.

A MN congresswoman has asked the governor and the Metrodome to ban the Skins' logo and name from their upcoming game (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/10/25/congresswoman-wants-redskins-name-banned-at-vikings/).

Minnesota Vikings vs.Washington ____________ on Nov. 7th.

A MN congresswoman has asked the governor and the Metrodome to ban the Skins' logo and name from their upcoming game (http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/10/25/congresswoman-wants-redskins-name-banned-at-vikings/).

Minnesota Vikings vs.Washington ____________ on Nov. 7th.

Hey, a thought, if these are all regional teams why do they need a mascot embelishment in their name?

Hey, a thought, if these are all regional teams why do they need a mascot embelishment in their name?

Uh, that is the team name. Hard to announce a game between the New Yorks and the New Yorks, and the Dallases vs the Washingtons just doesn't have the same ring as Cowboys vs. Redskins.

P.S. I wonder when the language police will start bleeping out the offending name here.

Hello Steve:

Finally, getting down to the real crisis in AmericaYou got that right... Racism IS the REAL crisis.

excon

Hello Steve:
You got that right... Racism IS the REAL crisis.

excon

I'm not the one saying a black man that doesn't fall in line is a racist.

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not the one saying a black man that doesn't fall in line is a racist.Who're we talking about? The black guy who wrote the racist letter you liked, or the owner of the Redskins???

excon

Hello again, Steve:
Who're we talking about? The black guy who wrote the racist letter you liked, or the owner of the Redskins???

excon

Take your pick. We're all racists to you if we don't fall in line.

NFL To Meet Oneida Indian Nation Officials About Redskins Name Controversy (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/26/redskins-name-nfl-meeting-oneida-nation_n_4164788.html)


Halbritter, whose tribe runs a large casino resort in Verona in central New York, says the name is degrading and has devastating effects, especially on younger Indians.

The tribe began pushing for a name change recently as the Washington Redskins faced fresh waves of criticism over their nickname. Even President Barack Obama weighed in, saying recently he would "think about changing" the name if he owned the team.

It wasn't initially known where in the city the meeting will be held or if NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will attend.

There was no immediate comment Friday from the NFL. A league spokesman had previously said it is important that the NFL listen to all perspectives.

Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder has said he will never change the team's name and Goodell has said that it is ultimately Snyder's call.

Racists, even unintentional ones never listen, they justify when confronted by those that are offended. They are often more offended than the person they offended in the first place.

Hello again, Steve:

I can see you're hurt.. Buck up, winger. We have fights to fight. Look. You don't have to fall in line with ME. You don't have to fall in line at ALL, as far as I'm concerned.

But, the LINE is set by society. I didn't set it. You didn't set it. But, it's SET. In YOUR circles, the line is way over to the right. For YOU guys, it's FINE to make fun of ethnicities, and it's fun to deny they're OFFENDED by it. If they're offended, it shows how SOFT they are, and might even be UN-American. Besides, it's another reason to make fun of them...

In the letter you like, the guy is a racist. It matters NOT that he's black. The fact that you posted it, then threw your hands in the air with wide eyed look of innocence, and said it was HIS opinion - NOT yours, so obviously, you're BLAMELESS.

But, you're NOT blameless.

excon

NFL To Meet Oneida Indian Nation Officials About Redskins Name Controversy (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/26/redskins-name-nfl-meeting-oneida-nation_n_4164788.html)



Racists, even unintentional ones never listen, they justify when confronted by those that are offended. They are often more offended than the person they offended in the first place.

The problem is this is one of those things in which we're on the same side but you'd rather demonize us for political ends instead of fighting actual racism, which perpetuates the problem and diminishes actual instances.

Racism is about fear, and hatred, and POWER, and where and how and against who or what its directed at.

You want to fight racism, then listen to the offended and ask WHY? Not just accept the OFFENDERS, no matter how well intentioned. Mr. Snyder ignores the offended to perpetrate his own tradition. He says he will NOT change. What he is saying is he won't listen to those that are OFFENDED.

He doesn't have to be a racist to not listen. But his power to offend can no longer be denied, nor his justification of his tradition he wishes to market. He has the power to listen and change and he chooses not to.

I will add that reference to the collective "you guys", or "us" is not personally directed at you.

Racism is about fear, and hatred, and POWER, and where and how and against who or what its directed at.

You want to fight racism, then listen to the offended and ask WHY? Not just accept the OFFENDERS, no matter how well intentioned. Mr. Snyder ignores the offended to perpetrate his own tradition. He says he will NOT change. What he is saying is he won't listen to those that are OFFENDED.

He doesn't have to be a racist to not listen. But his power to offend can no longer be denied, nor his justification of his tradition he wishes to market. He has the power to listen and change and he chooses not to.

I will add that reference to the collective "you guys", or "us" is not personally directed at you.

Who are you to pretend you care if someone is offended (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3575882-post87.html)?


What a racist joke claiming how well you treat yo' N********'s.

Isn't that ankle biting and sniping?

Who are you to pretend you care if someone is offended (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3575882-post87.html)?

I didn't start that thread and invite people to let me have it. If I did I wouldn't get mad if I got what I asked for.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/america-needs-white-republican-president-772123.html


OK, let me have it.

No, we were having a discussion. You on the other hand do nothing but stir up sh*t, that's ankle biting and sniping.

I'll do what I please regardless on what pejorative you use to describe it. It's fun calling you out, or anyone out, on misrepresentations and hypocrisy.

I didn't start that thread and invite people to let me have it. If I did I wouldn't get mad if I got what I asked for.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/america-needs-white-republican-president-772123.html

That's a sorry excuse for a pathetic comment.

I'll do what I please regardless on what pejorative you use to describe it. It's fun calling you out, or anyone out, on misrepresentations and hypocrisy.

When are you going to learn no one cares what a hypocritical wannabe board monitor like you thinks?

Pathetic is the right wing glitch mob that makes more noise than sense. Try talking without a rock in your hand.

Pathetic is the right wing glitch mob that makes more noise than sense. Try talking without a rock in your hand.

Do you even read what you write?

Just a suggestion.

Just a suggestion.

For a guy that throws a lot of rocks it was a curious thing to say (no comment from you NK, mind your own business). Did you not read where we're on the same side on racism, Tal? Should we work together to end actual racism or are you going to let ideology blind you?

Having read this thread I have to ask who let the dogs out, seems there are fox terriers on the loose

Here you go, name the team after a warrior that kicked America's a$$.

The Washington Red Clouds: A team name to honor a great warrior and leader - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-washington-red-clouds-a-team-name-to-honor-a-great-warrior-and-leader/2013/11/01/292f20c4-40e3-11e3-a624-41d661b0bb78_story.html)

Beats seeing them play in kilts and keeps the Cowboys vs Indians rivalry alive.

Yeh Crazy Horse sounds good, The Washington Crazy Horses has a good ring to it. How about Geronimo