I would like to begin this post by first saying that God created everyone in his image and He created us all EQUAL. So I just think everyone has the right to express their beliefs in everything including and especially the spiritual aspect. So my point being that if you all agree that we have this right, then why is it that I see christians and only christians being constantly attacked by a group of extreme anti christians. Just because you don't agree with me about something that the bible says or something, that does not ultimately give you the right for verbal attacks targeting specifically christians and their beliefs. Personally, I personally have something's to say about what other religions has to say about their spiritual deity and the way they do something's but ultimately I am not the judge of things because God i.e. Jesus is and I just want to make one thing clear: That if you disagree with something, then please do not start making jokes and laugh about what people believe or writing pages and pages worth of nothing but unconstructive accusations and hatred. Hope you guys can read this and understand what I am saying.

For examples of what I mean refer the many votes about Christianity on this site.

This site has specific guidelines about what can and cannot be said. If you feel a post has violated those guidelines, then feel free to use the Report Inappropriate Post option (upper right corner).

The mods on this site take those guidelines very seriously.

But be aware that religion is a very hot topic. Too frequently a diagreement with someone's beliefs is seen as an attack on them.

No one is saying you aren't entitled to your belief but its just that, its your belief and it remains so and should not be forced up on others no matter what.
If you post things regarding your belief in other topics that aren't religion related I'm afraid you are asking for trouble in the sense you are stating.

I would like to begin this post by first saying that God created everyone Hello again, avenger:

I'd like to begin my post by first telling you that you're wrong. I'll end it that way too.

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I almost never see anyone being "made fun of" or "laughed at" because of their beliefs. And to be honest, when an unreasonable post like that is made, it's only a matter of time before the mods catch it and remove it.

Maybe I don't understand what you mean... but as far as I am concerned: Someone who disagrees with you and tells you why, is not attacking you; Someone that doesn't want to convert to your religion, is not attacking you; Someone that asks you not to preach religious beliefs in non-religious subject matters, is not attacking you.

I guess I have to question what in the world you are talking about, I checked to see what posts you have replied to, and you have not even posted on religion, most were in dating or relationship type things.
If you have any specific issues, as noted please use the report function.

Hi avenger9000

You stated that everyone has the right to their own beliefs. Well, then people will exercise that right. I am a christian, and I have gotten my share of ridicule in life for that, but not on this site. If people are making fun of you just remember the beatitudes. Especially: " Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad for your reward will be great in heaven."

"10 Posts celebrations!

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Hey I finally made it over 10 posts!!! go me!!! anyway these past 10 posts have seen some very helpful advice from a lot of people thanx!!! To celebrate, I have decided that to share with you the one thing that everyone that doesnt know needs to know about and that one thing is Jesus and how you can have a relationship with him. "

This quote is from his posting in member discussions here, and a couple of postings that followed is what avenger is speaking about. You all can blame me. And, I am not apologizing for what I have said.

Avenger, I have no problem with people having a friendly religious debate or discussion. You will find many of them on this web site under the religion that it pertains to. Unfortunately, your post was neither a religious discussion nor a debate, and I do have a bone to pick with all posts here that are in that vein. What you and others have done is called proselytizing. I am not directly attacking Christianity or Jesus Christ. I am attacking yours, and others, methods.

If a poster states that they are Catholic and raised in a religious household, and they are having a problem in their marriage, I do not tell them that they should accept Allah (or any other deity that is not Jesus) as their God, and praying to Allah will solve their problems. I ask them if they have a priest in their lives that they can speak with and confide in. Why would I suggest anything else to them? Isn't that what you would want from me if you were having a life problem?

The reason you see Christians attacked and seemingly no other religions, is because no one from any other religion has done what a few Christians have attempted to do here. I saw a post from a Christian tell an Indian woman who made it clear that she was brought up in a traditional way (Hindu, Buddism, Sikhism,. ), and who was looking for constructive advice to a marriage problem, that she needed to (a little out of context here but, essentially correct) accept Jesus and pray to him and He will solve her problems.

Certain Christians cannot see past their own beliefs and understand that this is inappropriate. Yes, you are entitled to your own beliefs. Just as that lady is entitled to hers and it should have been respected.

If you want to talk about the Bible, or your beliefs, then start a thread in which you say you would like to welcome people to a discussion. NOT, a thread stating that everyone needs to know about Jesus and how everyone can have a relationship with him.

I am not Christian and I find it very insulting that someone would suggest that I need to know about Jesus and have a relationship with him. I have many good friends who are Christian and religious. They respect my beliefs and would never make an attempt to convert me. I respect their beliefs and would never suggest that they need to have a relationship with my God. What you and a few others here are attempting is to perform an online conversion and I find THAT inappropriate. Not your beliefs. Do you understand at all what I am saying here?

I know Fr Chuck and Wangdoodle understand what I am saying, along with a number of other people here on this forum who are Christians. They are sensitive to the fact that there are other religions and belief structures in this world and would not impose their own beliefs onto someone else as the answer to their problems.

I understood you completely Ruby. I've been on this site for a short while and the reason I keep coming back is that I see people giving honest answers to good questions. I haven't seen any personal attacks. The diversity on this site is great!:)

I am not imposing anything on anyone unlike what a lot of you have suggested...

I am just doing my job. As Jesus said, go and make disciples of all nations...

And as a part of student life where eveyrone basically does what I do some a lot more than me. And If you have a look at the post 10 Post celebrations under member discussions, you will see there a some people making fun of christianity...

Me trying my hardest to convey the message of salvation instead results in people rejecting it as pushy I don't understand why they are doing this...

Well at least I can be satisfied with that verse about other people's insults and my great reward in heaven... what's that verse say again *checks Bible*

It's pushing your belief that others dislike we all have choices and are able to make them ourselves we don't need anything or anyone to tell us what they should be.

I am not trying to do that... I have been trained and I know what pushing my beliefs onto others is... and here is the post I was referring to from Ruby:


"I had a relationship with Jesus once. It didn't work out. He spent way too much of his time putting everyone else's needs above mine. He just couldn't give me the attention and committment I needed at the time. *sigh*

We are talking about Jesus Sanchez aren't we?"

So you think this is acceptable?? Well OK I give up I quit! Does that make eveyrone happy?
I hope it does because I freakiing quit!! I will shut up if it makes you all happy.

Hehehehehe throwing your rattle out the pram like that won't get you any good attention only bad, it's the qoutes sweety that people get annoyed at and see it as preeching and that's when you will get attacked for it especially when its not within the religion boards do you see what I'm saying?

Well all of my christian friends and my colleagues from student life all agree that I am doing the right thing and they have been christians way longer than I have some for their entire lifes and the oldest is like 40 something so I don't know what some of you guys are on about...

I am just doing my job. As Jesus said, go and make disciples of all nations...You can leave your job at home, this is not the place to convert people. I personally believe in the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster, his noodly appendage has touched me in ways you can only imagine, but I don't try to convert people - it annoys them.

well all of my christian friends and my colleagues from student life all agree that I am doing the right thing and they have been christians way longer than I have some for their entire lifes and the oldest is like 40 something so I dont know what some of you guys are on about...

Its exactly that people have choice if we want to be converted we will we don't need to have it rammed down our necks just don't expect others to except your beliefs when you come on so strong.

Fine... I won't then what do you want me to do then

Be yourself enjoy the site leave the preeching at the door of the boards other than the religion ones where there appreciated

Also I never said u had to believe in what I said,, but its just not acceptable making jokes about it you could have just told me hey you know I don't believe in that and it would have been cool. But just not jokes and personal attacks you know

Im not attacking you or making any kind of joke if you really think so then I think you are extremely mislead trust me if I was you would know.

I am not imposing anything on anyone unlike what a lot of you have suggested...

I am just doing my job. As Jesus said, go and make disciples of all nations...

and as a part of student life where eveyrone basically does what I do some a lot more than me. And If you have a look at the post 10 Post celebrations under member discussions, you will see there a some people making fun of christianity...

Me trying my hardest to convey the message of salvation instead results in people rejecting it as pushy I dont understand why they are doing this...

Well at least I can be satisfied with that verse about other people's insults and my great reward in heaven... whats that verse say again *checks Bible*
If its your job to preach YOUR beliefs to others THAT are not requesting wanting your preaching -- you are imposing YOUR religious view, And its will be refuted by others -- but stay on your poor pitiful me trip -- Savage

I am not imposing anything on anyone unlike what a lot of you have suggested...

I am just doing my job. As Jesus said, go and make disciples of all nations...

and as a part of student life where eveyrone basically does what I do some a lot more than me. And If you have a look at the post 10 Post celebrations under member discussions, you will see there a some people making fun of christianity...

Me trying my hardest to convey the message of salvation instead results in people rejecting it as pushy I dont understand why they are doing this...

Well at least I can be satisfied with that verse about other people's insults and my great reward in heaven... whats that verse say again *checks Bible*

We have had this discussion in several other threads. I understand that you feel your interpretation of the bible makes it your "job" to try and convince others that your beliefs are the right way. But that IS imposing your beliefs on others. A great deal of harm has been done by Christians following this doctrine in the history of the world.

My philosophy is everyone has the right to do what they want up to but NOT including interfering with someone else's right to do what they want. By trying to convert people (and that's what making disciples means), you are interfering with others rights.

As long as you continue to do that, you will make people angry at you. You are belitting their beliefs in expounding your own. You are showing disdain and disrespect for others. Until and unless you come to understand that, you will encounter the same problems throughout your life.

I am not trying to do that... I have been trained and I know what pushing my beliefs onto others is... and here is the post I was referring to from Ruby:


"I had a relationship with Jesus once. It didn't work out. He spent way too much of his time putting everyone else's needs above mine. He just couldn't give me the attention and committment I needed at the time. *sigh*

We are talking about Jesus Sanchez aren't we?"

so you think this is acceptable??? well ok I give up I quit! does that make eveyrone happy?
I hope it does coz I freakiing quit!!! I will shut up if it makes you all happy.


Yes, it makes me happy. Thank you very much. I appreciate your working with me on this.

By trying to convert people (and thats what making disciples means), you are interfering with others rights.

As long as you continue to do that, you will make people angry at you. You are belitting their beliefs in expounding your own. You are showing disdain and disrespect for others. Until and unless you come to understand that, you will encounter the same problems throughout your life.

Ahhh, Scotty, you have such a wonderful way with words and of getting right to the crux of a problem. Warms the little cockles of my heart.

Im not attacking you or making any kind of joke if you really think so then i think you are extremely mislead trust me if i was you would know.

CBW - You have made excellent points here. All very true.


Avenger - If you wish to be heard, you do not have to scream ;) , or force feeding, not saying you were, but good rules to follow.

Curlybenswife has given very good advice here.

Sometimes loving actions are more noticeable then words.

Yes, Avenger, please listen to Allheart.

She is always nice to me even when I am rude. She is truly All Heart. She understands that I am can be an arse at times. She ignores that side of me. I love her for that.

Awww Ruby - No -
Hey, we all have an arse side - otherwise how could any of us sit down:confused:

Here, this should keep you busy ;) And It's even heart shaped :)

http://www.drinkstuff.com/productimg/8168.jpg

so you think this is acceptable??? well ok I give up I quit! does that make eveyrone happy?
I hope it does coz I freakiing quit!!! I will shut up if it makes you all happy.

Um... nobody said evangelism was easy or that you'd get a pat on your back for it.

This is a public forum. People are entitled to disagree... and in ways others might find offensive to their faith.

Again, nobody said evangelism was easy... as my cousin says "way to ruin easter, Jesus"

(and if you don't get it, that is sarcasm from a religious man)

Here, this should keep you busy ;) And It's even heart shaped :)


Are you hinting that Ruby is going from the frying pan to the fire? :D

No she's not Scott. I know exactly what she means and it has nothing to do with this thread. Check out Looney Bin.

Thank you Allheart, my dear one. Quite kind of you to help me out with that. LOL. Do you think monkey will fit into it?

LOL Scott - Oh my - sorry all.

It's from another thread. Ruby has been having a craving for monkey meat and found one, but just can't seem to catch the ever elusive monkey. She's been flying around here, with frying pan in hand. Thought maybe a heart shaped one would do the trick :)

Sorry guys :) - didn't mean to leave anyone out.

No she's not Scott. I know exactly what she means and it has nothing to do with this thread. Check out Looney Bin.

Thank you Allheart, my dear one. Quite kind of you to help me out with that. LOL. Do you think monkey will fit into it?


LOL - Nope. I don't think he will fit. Oh poor Monkey. Better just leave him in his lace then LOL.

Heehee. Okay. Love my little monkey boy.

Hmmm, craving for monkey meat. Is Capuchin involved in this in anyway? Aren't we getting too kinky <eg>.

http://www.cfkearns.com/products/31655.jpg

Yes Scott, Cappy is involved here. Kinky? Hmmm. My. I just don't have a clue where your mind is on this. Heehee.



Oh, Allheart! ROFLMAO.

I am not imposing anything on anyone unlike what a lot of you have suggested...

I am just doing my job. As Jesus said, go and make disciples of all nations...

and as a part of student life where eveyrone basically does what I do some a lot more than me. And If you have a look at the post 10 Post celebrations under member discussions, you will see there a some people making fun of christianity...

Me trying my hardest to convey the message of salvation instead results in people rejecting it as pushy I dont understand why they are doing this...

Well at least I can be satisfied with that verse about other people's insults and my great reward in heaven... whats that verse say again *checks Bible*

I hope you don't think I'm coming down on you. I think it's great you want to spread the message of salvation. What I am saying is that there is a time and place. That's all. Please don't quit. Go hang out in the Christian forum, when someone posts a questions, do your best to answer from your perspective.

Wangdoodle, very wise and excellent advice indeed!

I think that the best witness for Christ is the one about whom others ask:

"What is it about that guy..? What makes him different?"


They ask these types of questions because they "see" Christ inside you.

Continue living in a way that allows Jesus to shine through you and those who need His love will come to you with all the questions your heart desires to answer.

Be a strong witness by making friends, giving encouragement, letting someone know that you care, sharing a smile, giving your time, etc.

Lead by example.

I think that the best witness for Christ is the one about whom others ask:

"What is it about that guy..? What makes him different?"


They ask these types of questions because they "see" Christ inside you.

Continue living in a way that allows Jesus to shine through you and those who need His love will come to you with all the questions your heart desires to answer.

Be a strong witness by making friends, giving encouragement, letting someone know that you care, sharing a smile, giving your time, etc.

Lead by example.

Rudy - I agree with this 100%. Well said. There are those that you can just see Jesus and the love of God shining through.

I am spiritual but not religious, each and everyone of us are our own church, if we wish to pray we can do it anywhere and anytime we don't need scripts, just our own private words from our hearts, we don't need to quote this or that or even mention religion, that is where you go wrong, religion causes wars, let everyone be of their own opinion and have their own views, who has the right to say who is right or who is wrong, who dare judge who? Everyone is equal they entered this world with nothing and will leave the same way. People know religion is there, it is private or should be, why quote verses like so many christians do, I was brought up a catholic am no longer one, why? Because I rebelled and why because I was brainwashed. As I said religion is something that is personal and should not be up for discussion or thrust down others throats. You I am sure are a great person but please no more jesus says, we all know what jesus says save that for your own church. Take care, love and peace anne x

Thing is, I've been on this board a couple of months now, and it always seems to be Christians talking about their God and Jesus. I've yet to see a Jew / Muslim / Hare Krishna / Jedi speak up and say "Well because I'm a ... my God says you should live your life this way!"

Anyway, this thread does make good reading!

Well Jesus = God, so all you needed was mention Jesus or God, since they are the samething pretty much...

yeah thought I'd let you know


'I and the Father are one"

To you, they are one. BUt to others, it may not be their belief, understanding ,or religion. If someone disagrees with your perspective, you view it as an attack, however if you impose your beliefs on others and you tell them your way is the truth, they feel attacked. If you are interested in understanding how others think , than you will find that here and you will broaden your awareness of the difference in others. Not only cultural, but religious and spiritual and personal. This is not a bad thing. NOthing is wrong with disagreeing with you, as nothing is wrong with you for not agreeing with those who believe different. Part of what you want to do is spread the word of Jesus and the teachings of Christ. NOt everyone believes in Jesus, so that message may not get through. HOWEVER< YOu don't have to preach the bible or religion to do that. YOu can spread the word by living a life of compassion, love and understanding. Part of that is not judging others. YOu will find more joy and affect more people that way, than by imposing your beliefs on others and expecting them to agree. Go to spirituality and look at the posts about "Atheists do not believe, how is that?" Maybe you will understand more about the vast differences, ideas, beliefs and thoughts on that. This is a site where everyone can give their opinion or perspective, but not one where attacking others is tolerated. If people make jokes or say things that you feel are hateful, than don't engage in any further conversation with them. That is a sign of immaturity on their part. However, maybe you should be able to look at what they say and not take it as personal, as well. Good luck..

Well Jesus = God, so all you needed was mention Jesus or God, since they are the samething pretty much...

yeah thought I'd let you know


'I and the Father are one"

I cannot accept the theory that Jesus=God as I am a muslim and believes Jesus to be a messenger from the Almighty and they cannot be One in my belief and faith.
Just thought I would clear that, it is not everyone's thinking that Jesus has to =God.

About your original statement.
I do not agree it is just Christians, people do not agree with or make unjust remarks about, I have seen many on Islam, but I am the one to correct misconception people have of my religion not to further the argument by name calling.
Or making hateful remarks.
Just because I believe in something does not mean others will necessarily see the same thing, some will while others will not.
And any who believe in an Almighty,Most Merciful God knows that it is not for us to change anyone to a believer, but it is the mercy of the Almighty that anyone starts believing, it is up to us only to remind if the reminder benefits,
not to judge and say so and so will be in Hell, as I cannot guarantee whether my position will be in Heaven or Hell, it is by the Mercy of the Almighty that will admit me to Heaven.

Well then how good do you have to be for Almighty to admit you into heaven?

Or in other words if

0 ___________________ 100%

I have a line here with 0 at one end and 100% at the other. If 0 represent pure evil, and 100% is perfection, then where do you have to be to get into heaven??

Well then how good do you have to be for Almighty to admit you into heaven?

Or in other words if

0 ___________________ 100%

I have a line here with 0 at one end and 100% at the other. If 0 represent pure evil, and 100% is perfection, then where do you have to be to get into heaven???

Is this a trick question? It must be.. Some sort of riddle?

I'm guessing the line (_____________).

Like a flat line. Meaning your dead. It's a tough one this one...

Am I right? Is that it? Do I win a prize??

Well then how good do you have to be for Almighty to admit you into heaven?

Or in other words if

0 ___________________ 100%

I have a line here with 0 at one end and 100% at the other. If 0 represent pure evil, and 100% is perfection, then where do you have to be to get into heaven???

As I said humans do not admit us into heaven but the Almighty and He has set the standard to judge not me.
And this judgement cannot be measured in human 100% measurements.
Sometimes some people do evil most of their life without knowing or understanding their Creator but suddenly they see light and start obeying the Almighty as He should be and this person's bad deeds maybe forgiven for his repentance and staying away from previous sins as well as new ones .
While there are others who do the prescribed acts of worship by limbs,but he/she may not be truly faithful to the Almighty in his/her heart and this cannot be seen by humans to judge.

So if you ask me the percentage, I would say no one can be 100% perfect except the Almighty, humans do wrong but the most successful are those that repent,ask for the Mercy of the Alimighty,love and fear the Almighty.
(Disclaimer:The "He" I have used in my post does not mean I am talking about a male or female God... )