Just thought I would ask since the news from the US is that no one is home

http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/united-states-government-shutdown-begins-as-congress-hits-dead-end-20131001-2upwq.html
http://www.news.com.au/world-news/americans-react-to-the-us-government-shutdown/story-fndir2ev-1226730981099

Your link is subscription only . Guessing this is about the shut down ? Woke up this morning and the sun is still shining . 4 CR bills went to the Senate since the weekend and all were rejected by Reid's do-nothing Senate . He even rejected a conference committee . The shut down is all the Dems fault. But you won't hear that from the Praetorian Guards of the 4th estate .

You heard wrong, just another day to me. The sun is rising, birds are singing, the world didn't stop turning after the shutdown.

Your president is telling the world it is the republican's fault and when you have all your services closed, the public is going to blame someone and take it out at the ballot box. You never know it might come out to the republican advantage but that type of play is foolish at best

You really do need a system that gets everyone on the same side or at least enough for government to function. Hung governments are a real mess, we had three years of it and obviously you have too!

Your president is telling the world it is the republican's fault and when you have all your services closed, the public is going to blame someone and take it out at the ballot box. You never know it might come out to the republican advantage but that type of play is foolish at best

you really do need a system that gets everyone on the same side or at least enough for government to function. Hung governments are a real mess, we had three years of it and obviously you have too!

I honestly feel bad for the people who were planning on visiting the Smithsonian this week. But it is a tremedous exaggeration to claim " all your services closed ".

I honestly feel bad for the people who were planning on visiting the Smithsonian this week. But it is a tremedous exaggeration to claim " all your services closed ".

well 800,000 people have to work somewhere and a couple of weeks from now how many will be out of work. So the Smithsonian and the Statue of Liberty this week, what happens next week. When people don't have money they don't spend, the non-essentials go first, and then the flow on effect begins, but value starts to be wiped off stocks and fortunes are lost

We have had shut downs lasting almost a month.. No essential services were stopped . It won't happen this time. As for the Federal workers that are furloughed . I feel for them too. But I think there are way too many Federal workers anyway.

I heard the pandacam is shut down.

Obviously not essential, tomorrow many things will be non essential and in two weeks... ELE

The Zerocare exchanges are open, what more do you want?

Seriously it's all the same to me, you win some, you loose some, but there are more important issues, what happens there affects many things at a distance. Your shutdown will see your currency fall and that means ours will rise and restrict our ability to compete. What you do is a begger your neighbour policy and if you keep going we will all be beggers

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

The pink stars are falling in lines. The pink stars are falling in lines.

seriously it's all the same to me, you win some, you loose some, but there are more important issues, what happens there affects many things at a distance. your shutdown will see your currency fall and that means ours will rise and restrict our ability to compete. what you do is a begger your neighbour policy and if you keep going we will all be beggers

No it won't... if the debt limit isn't resolved it will probably affect the currency . But this shut down should actually be good for the bottom line.

WaPo gave a place for federal workers to vent and tell us how essential they are. It's come to this...

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Furlough-1.png

And on the first day of the great apocalypse the people had no power or warm water for a shower because some unnecessary bureaucrat whose salary we pay for a job we didn't know existed isn't there to make sure Xcel energy didn't cut the power to their customers.

I got news for you buddy, if the government can't function without you we have way bigger problems than I thought.

http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/newsweek-cover-obama-god-of-all-things-shiva-sad-hill-news.jpg

This is that the lefties thing of Obama... and they actually printed something like this...

Really ticked off the Indian-Americans

The VETS decided that no stinkin government shut down was going to keep them from seeing their memorial!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/visiting-veterans-storm-closed-wwii-memorial/2013/10/01/0fc2a376-2ab4-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html

http://www.4029tv.com/news/politics/Veterans-break-past-World-War-II-Memorial-barricade/-/8897382/22212214/-/rhjud9/-/index.html?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=4029%2Bnews

What ? No CR today ? Hello Speaker Bonehead!! You should be passing another CR with slight variations immediately after Reid and the do-nothing Senate reject the last one. Keep them coming 2-3 times a day and then scoff at and ridicule the emperor and Reid when they blame the Repubics for not compromising .

More theater of the absurd from the regime. Apparently the apocalypse has led to limiting FLOTUS' posts on the free Twitter account we're apparently paying for (I wonder how many people won't get that).

What happened ? The non-essential employee who authors her tweets was told to go home ?

Day two... looking at a beautiful sunrise on the horizon.

The sun rises everyday on the just and the unjust, so nothing special there

Is there anyone of Democrat persuasion out there?

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/AP_budget_shutdown_ml_131001_16x9_608.jpg

Very funny, fact is that dems have been calling for a sitdown to reconcile the house and senate bills since April. Now they shutdown the government and want to talk. Typical right wing delay tactic.

How about a clean CR vote in the house, up or down? Bet many repubs would vote for it. But you know that, and so does the TPARTY.

http://democrats.senate.gov/2013/06/12/objections-to-budget-conference-2/

For the record, you were asked 18 ties by the senate to go to conference, but NOOOOOOOO, that's to hard for you guys. Let all the hostages go, and we talk.

Your picture of the repubs is BS!!

Why did Reid deny a conference committee this weekend if he's so interested in a "sit down" ? More Dem lies .
They've had at least 4 clean up or down votes on a CR .Haven't you been watching ? I think the way to go is to separate the CR into it's parts like they did with military pay. Next up Vets benefits... Go ahead Dems and vote against them .

The VETS decided that no stinkin government shut down was going to keep them from seeing their memorial!

Visiting veterans storm closed war memorials - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/visiting-veterans-storm-closed-wwii-memorial/2013/10/01/0fc2a376-2ab4-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html)

Veterans break past World War II Memorial barricade | Politics - KHBS Home (http://www.4029tv.com/news/politics/Veterans-break-past-World-War-II-Memorial-barricade/-/8897382/22212214/-/rhjud9/-/index.html?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=4029%2Bnews)

Worse, the White House knew of their request and rejected it (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/01/obama-admin-knew-about-wwii-veterans-request-and-rejected-it/), and as Rand Paul pointed out, "Some idiot in government sent goons out there to set up barricades, so they couldn’t see the monument. People had to spend hours setting up barricades where there are never barricades."

Our vets aren't taking that too well (http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/veterans-plot-to-expand-revolt-against-government-shutdown).


After a group of veterans broke down the barricades at the national World War II Memorial Tuesday afternoon, organizers of one Hero Flight Network group told BuzzFeed it wasn’t the last Washington would hear from them. Veterans are plotting another protest at the same place Wednesday, and expressed interest in staging similar events at sites across the nation’s capital, including the Lincoln Memorial — an act of civil disobedience that would likely pour fuel on the already highly flammable politics of the government shutdown.

“We have people here that are 80 and 90 years old and they closed down all the bathrooms?” said Tony Nussbaum, a 25-year veteran of the Air Force from Iowa and a leader of the state’s Hero Flight group. “I’m about to just start pissing on the trees.”

I know I'm supposed to hate Obama because he's black and so, so smart, but I'm beginning to dislike him because he's a childish, petulant prick. If you recall this is exactly what he did with the scarequester cuts he approved of, pulled stupid, uncaring stunts like this. And I'll tell you what, someone that would treat our vets that way deserves to get his a$$ kicked.

The White House sent home 1,265 non-essential employees . That's 1,265 taxpayer-salaried federal workers. This represents 3/4 of the total WH staff. In other words the White House hires almost 1700 staffers . Yeah I know it's a big house and we have to keep up appearances... but come on! The Dems constantly say they've stripped the budget to the bone and no more cuts are possible .

So much BALONEY as a substitute for facts. The house hasn't voted on a clean CR bill at all. And Bonehead can call a vote anytime.

The TParty got what they wanted, shrink or destroy the government and I heard they were looking for a bath tub to drown it in.

What you mean is that the Repubs haven't caved to all the spending demands of the emperor and his flunkies in the Senate .

Are you crazy? The money has already been spent with the approval of YOUR house. Blaming others for what YOU have already done is typical right wing loony stuff.

What would you expect for guys that listened to Ted Cruz holler and rant, and then couldn't deliver his end.

Then Obama is redundent and non-essential (as well as useless which we've known for years) so we can send him home, wherever that is, until this is over then.

I vote that Airforce one get mothballed for the next three years as a waste of taxpayer money. Make him fly commercial like everyone else. And make him pay for it himself. I bet the biweekly vacations end right away.

Are you crazy? The money has already been spent with the approval of YOUR house. Blaming others for what YOU have already done is typical right wing loony stuff.

What would you expect for guys that listened to Ted Cruz holler and rant, and then couldn't deliver his end

No it hasn't . You are confusing your talking points. The CR is a short term funding fix to keep government operating under existing spending levels . It is NOT for money already spent .

It requires a 60 day continuing resolution to keep the government open, the debt ceiling and 2014 budget is another issue. A simple up or down vote TODAY, Yes, or No is all it takes for the CR, and the government is open. Really simple!!

The TParty faction won't let that happen for now, and that's the problem. You guys condone their sabotage for your own nefarious purposes.

It don't work that way . It don't work when the emperor says he will not negotiate on it . It's he who is keeping the government shut down. There is plenty of common ground on this issue if he'd lose his dictatorial tendencies. Here's a few..
1. delay the individual mandate as he did the corporate
2. get rid of exemptions . If it's good for some Americans it should be good for all.
3. end the medical device tax that is going to be the ruin of a uniquely American industry .

He says he won't negotiate with a 'clenched fist ' when that is exactly what he's extending .
And by the way he and you can stop with the inflamatory language equating your opponents views in a budget impass with terrorism ,anarchy , sabotage . I've had my fill of that and all it will accomplish is hardening my position.

It requires a 60 day continuing resolution to keep the government open, the debt ceiling and 2014 budget is another issue. A simple up or down vote TODAY, Yes, or No is all it takes for the CR, and the government is open. Really simple!!!!!!!!!!!

The TParty faction won't let that happen for now, and that's the problem. You guys condone their sabotage for your own nefarious purposes.

NO... you are wrong... THe HOUSE has the constitutional RIGHT to originate all spending Bills, NOT the President and NOT the Senate... which they have done numerous times... its the lunatic fringe on the left that is holding the country hostage with their childish temper tantrums because they aren't getting everything their way.

Even now, what the House of Representatives has done is a step removed from defunding — it's delaying it,” Cruz said. “Now that's the essence of a compromise. For all of us who want to see it repealed, simply delaying it for American families on the same terms as has been done for American corporations, that's a compromise.” As government shutdown looms, Cruz calls Dems 'absolutist' - The Hill's Video (http://thehill.com/video/sunday-shows/325349-cruz-calls-democrats-absolutist#ixzz2gaCiq9D5)

Cruz is an idiot who uses ignorance to combine two entirely different issues since the delay of reporting procedure only applies to limited number of businesses. Most of them already have a reporting procedure in place for part/full time worker, and have for years.

Of course they do. The emperor did not want it to take effect until after the 2014 elections because of the employment disruption it's going to cause when implemented .

3% tops.

OK what is this, Berlin? After purposely rejecting their request and setting up barricades once, more were brought in today - with forklifts. And guarding the WWII memorial with mounted police to keep our vets out. Lincoln Memorial closed, and as Louie Gohmert asked, “What are they going to do next — hang a drapery over Mt. Rushmore?”

They have begun to call them Barrycades

they have begun to call them Barrycades

Isn't that barrakkades

That works too

Must be the only thing working over there at the moment. Imagine; setting up barrakkades is considered essential work? Ah well, if you can't get your politicians to work this must be a susbtitute, widening the exclusion zone lest their laziness be contageous

Here's the really sick part... the WW2 memorial is all open space... open 24X7... they took time to barrycade it and put more secuity guards on it to keep out people than The Benghazi Embassy had... AFTER begging for more people before they were murdered.

That is one of the many that simply take care of themselves that have zero staff...

I hope Barry gets the worst case of constipation... OR the squirts... that he's ever had in his life for being such a world class moron.

And a tourist attraction is more important than the lives of real people who have had their services stop? Now that's sick.

A simple vote ends the sickness. That's beyond the understanding of the fringe.

And a tourist attraction is more important than the lives of real people who have had their services stop? Now that's sick.

A simple vote ends the sickness. That's beyond the understanding of the fringe.

A tourist attraction that cost ZERO dollars to keep open... but cost a LARGE amount to close off... give it some thought Tal.

Bills were sent to the Senate... THEY are who is responsible for the shutdown. It's the height of IGNORANCE to proclaim its our way or the highway... that there would be NO negotiations... both the Moron in the White house... and the Senile old fool in the Senate actually said that..

I HOPE the republicans in the house dig their heels in and teach those idiots a lesson... even if it shuts everything down for the next three years.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/02/WWII-Heroes-Fought-for-Their-Country-not-Their-Government

This is VERY local for me... I only have to detour two blocks off my usual route to drive right past it every day.

Screw the freakin' barricades you idiot. How about the vendors and workers who get deprived of a living by closing parks and those people that PAID for the tours and such. The head start programs and hud loans.

What about the rest of the freakin country besides Washington. All those small businesses that support the military bases. How about all those veteran programs that service the veterans.

And you worry about barricades that can be swept aside by a child? You guys are sicker than I thought.

Screw the freakin' barricades you idiot. How about the vendors and workers who get deprived of a living by closing parks and those people that PAID for the tours and such. The head start programs and hud loans.

What about the rest of the freakin country besides Washington. All those small businesses that support the military bases. How about all those veteran programs that service the veterans.

And you worry about barricades that can be swept aside by a child? You guys are sicker than I thought.

Listen to yourself.. you might be a liberal... but you are smarter than that...

Obama and Reid are responsible for all of this... and Obama is acting like a three year old child throwing a temper tantrum bu Barricading off things that are NEVER at any time of the day or night closed off to anyway.

Want to talk about stupidity... ordering someone to do that is the height of stupidity...

Now the lefties might not be intelligent enough to see that for what it is... but MOST of the US population are.

You don't know what the rest of the population wants, just your fringe portion of it.

You don't know what the rest of the population wants, just your fringe portion of it.
My fringe is a lot larger than your fringe is...

But you don't want to hear what he says

Stansberry's Investment Advisory (http://pro.stansberryresearch.com/1304PWAUP2YR/LPSIP778/?h=true)

I don't recognize Obama as being a deity. The Christian religion specifically prohibits worshiping false prophets.

I don't recognize Obama as being a deity. The Christian religion specifically prohibits worshiping false prophets.

That was false gods, we don't worship prophets of any kind, that is the other guys.

For the record self proclaimed lesser deities like BO are of no consequence and a fad. They are like sky rockets, everyone says ah! And then waits for the next one

That was false gods, we don't worship prophets of any kind, that is the other guys.

For the record self proclaimed lesser deities like BO are of no consequence and a passing fad. They are like sky rockets, everyone says ah! and then waits for the next one
Oh I agree... and many people that fell for his con job are waking up... and aren't happy at all.

A simple vote ends the sickness. indeed .The House voted on a fund the NIH today and the House Dems shot it down.. Shame on the Pelosi cabal !

A tourist attraction that cost ZERO dollars to keep open... but cost a LARGE amount to close off... give it some thought Tal.
And one that was completely funded through private donations.

Screw the freakin' barricades you idiot. How about the vendors and workers who get deprived of a living by closing parks and those people that PAID for the tours and such. The head start programs and hud loans.

What about the rest of the freakin country besides Washington. All those small businesses that support the military bases. How about all those veteran programs that service the veterans.

And you worry about barricades that can be swept aside by a child? You guys are sicker than I thought.

Yup as suspected... the Federal Government is nothing but a welfare program to the left .

yup as suspected ....the Federal Government is nothing but a welfare program to the left .

Don't worry Tom it will soon all be over

yup as suspected ....the Federal Government is nothing but a welfare program to the left .

That services poor republicans too.

Well you see ,Tal complains about Veterans benefits... but the House voted on extending VA benefits ,and the Pelosi led Dems voted it down.The vote was 264-164, with 231 Republicans and 33 Democrats voting for continued VA funding while 164 Democrats voted against the measure, HJ Res 72.

Link please.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2013/h506?utm_campaign=govtrack_feed&utm_source=govtrack/feed&utm_medium=rss

Screw the freakin' barricades you idiot.

Personal public apology for the name calling. Totally inappropriate. Sorry Smoothy.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2013/h506?utm_campaign=govtrack_feed&utm_source=govtrack/feed&utm_medium=rss

That's what I thought, shut the government down and piece meal what gets funded. But NOOOOOOO!! Can't take one vote to open the whole thing up.

I think its disgusting to use the veterans in your hostage scheme to extort the government. Defund and delay Obama Care didn't work, so now it's the vet's turn huh?

GOP Congressman Calls for Massive Cuts in Veterans Funding | Veterans Today (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/02/05/gop-congressman-calls-for-massive-cuts-in-veterans-funding/)

Senate Democrats, GOP to stage votes on rival cuts (http://news.yahoo.com/senate-democrats-gop-stage-votes-rival-cuts-075046608--finance.html)

You didn't care then, so save me the fake stuff now. All you had to do was be willing to talk and resolve the whole issue but now all of a sudden you guys see the light. Puh-leeese. Just take the vote.

DESPERATE and pathetic republican leadership, or whatever you guys call it.

Personal public apology for the name calling. Totally inappropriate. Sorry Smoothy.

Apology accepted. No hard feelings remain.

You didn't care then, so save me the fake stuff now. All you had to do was be willing to talk and resolve the whole issue but now all of a sudden you guys see the light. Puh-leeese. just take the vote.

DESPERATE and pathetic republican leadership, or whatever you guys call it.

He doesn't get it Tal, they are trying the old divide and conquer routine.

Don't cry about Vets benefits when it's your side that is blocking them . Pelosi Reid and the emperor had no problem signing the military pay exception.

http://www.investors.com/image/cTOON100303030303.gif.cms

Tom an excellent comment but what do you take away from it. Stop QE immediately, raise interest rates and start to behave responsiblely. What you need is a slap up the head with a wet fish

Screw the freakin' barricades you idiot. How about the vendors and workers who get deprived of a living by closing parks and those people that PAID for the tours and such. The head start programs and hud loans.

And naturally you think it's all Republicans' fault. It isn't their fault the emperor and Dingy Harry won't negotiate a compromise.


What about the rest of the freakin country besides Washington. All those small businesses that support the military bases. How about all those veteran programs that service the veterans.

Nor are Republicans the ones being a total and inexcusable a$$ over the shutdown.


Reid: ‘Why Would We Want To’ Help One Kid With Cancer? (http://freebeacon.com/reid-why-would-we-want-to-help-one-kid-with-cancer/)

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D. Nev.) asked why Senate Democrats would want to fund the National Institutes of Health to “help one child who has cancer” Wednesday when asked that question by CNN reporter Dana Bash.

DANA BASH: You all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. The House is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the NIH. Given what you’ve said, will you at least pass that? And if not, aren’t you playing the same political games that Republicans are?

HARRY REID: Listen, Sen. Durbin explained that very well, and he did it here, did it on the floor earlier, as did Sen. Schumer. What right did they have to pick what part of government is going to be funded? It’s obvious what’s going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don’t know what other word I can use. They’re obsessed with this Obamacare. It’s working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. So they have no right to pick.

BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?

REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you’re irresponsible and reckless –

BASH: I’m just asking a question.

Why do Dems hate kids so much?


And you worry about barricades that can be swept aside by a child?
And this is the barrycade set up at the WWI memorial.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVkshNuCMAA8yza.jpg

Now you tell me why they'd block vets from the WWII memorial, moving barricades in with FORKLIFTS, but not secure the other sites that way?


You guys are sicker than I thought.

You're not paying attention to what the a$$holes on the left are doing. See above.

Bonehead let the TParty shut the government down, and with the same ease he can IGNORE the TParty and get things opened again. The rest is pure BS by you guys.

No more of this nitpick and choose which hostages you want to release. NO DEAL, NO TALK, without a clean vote.

Bonehead let the TParty shut the government down, and with the same ease he can IGNORE the TParty and get things opened again. The rest is pure BS by you guys.

No more of this nitpick and choose which hostages you want to release. NO DEAL, NO TALK, without a clean vote.

And there you have it, the regime is holding kids with cancer, WWII vets and FLOTUS' Twitter account hostage in a pathetic game of shutdown theater in hopes Republicans will cave to all your demands and you call what we're doing BS? Get a clue, Tal, the opposing side is there to oppose your BS, not be your political doormat.

The Dems are on record for voting against keeping kids with cancer NIH funded . The Dems are on record for voting against keeping Vets benefits funded . The Dems are on record for voting the keep the national parks closed. The emperor is on record for trying to stir up panic in the markets last night . Let's see what outrages they will do today.

And yesterday the emperor made the comical claim that 'he keeps his rhetoric down' .

“During the course of my presidency I have bent over backwards to work with the Republican Party and have purposely kept my rhetoric down,”

Bwahaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

and yesterday the emperor made the comical claim that 'he keeps his rhetoric down' .

“During the course of my presidency I have bent over backwards to work with the Republican Party and have purposely kept my rhetoric down,”

Bwahaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

And we're supposed to actually believe him when he says that.

You guys are on record for shutting the whole government down, and not opening it back up. 43 votes to repeal Obama Care went no where, so you shut the government down to stop Obama Care. Prez said HELL NO!! So now you trot out one hostage after another, instead of taking one simple easy vote.

Okay at a billion bucks a week you rack up a hellluva bill. A bill to open the government is before the house, but that would expose the utter stupidity of the TParty. Dems already agreed to the repubs budget.

Take it and move on!

Take it and move on!

No.

Notice how the emperor tried to tie the shutdown to the upcoming debt limit negotiations. He claims there will be no negotiations on that either even though there have always been negotiations with every previous debt limit increase. It's his intransigency that caused the shut down and may cause a default . It's on his watch ! 50 years from now ,no one will remember Speaker Bonehead ,Reid and Madame Mimi . All they will remember is that he presided over these times ,and was a failure.

They still remember Newt being an idiot who lost his job over the last shutdown. And Clinton is making out okay. Hell he made out great. Will Bonehead be remembered the same way?

If you or I are around in 50 years you can say I told you so.

I'll be 108... very doable.

Gingrich's mistake was not the shut down. His mistake was the perception he helped create(with a big hat tip from the praetorian guard of the 4th estate ) that it was a personal slight by Clintoon that was his motive for the shut down.

The NSA chief claimed that NSA had to furlough 72% of their civilian workforce, which of course means we aren't being kept safe because of those darned Republicans. But since this regime has overinflated their successes one just might wonder how necessary those 72% of NSA employees are necessary in the first place.


The Obama administration’s credibility on intelligence suffered another blow Wednesday as the chief of the National Security Agency admitted that officials put out numbers that vastly overstated the counterterrorism successes of the government’s warrantless bulk collection of all Americans’ phone records.

Pressed by the Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at an oversight hearing, Gen. Keith B. Alexander admitted that the number of terrorist plots foiled by the NSA’s huge database of every phone call made in or to America was only one or perhaps two — far smaller than the 54 originally claimed by the administration.

Read more: NSA chief's admission of misleading numbers adds to Obama administration blunders - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/2/nsa-chief-figures-foiled-terror-plots-misleading/#ixzz2gfvHsmgc)
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But again, math is hard.

You guys are on record for shutting the whole government down, and not opening it back up. 43 votes to repeal Obama Care went no where, so you shut the government down to stop Obama Care. Prez said HELL NO!!!! So now you trot out one hostage after another, instead of taking one simple easy vote.

Okay at a billion bucks a week you rack up a hellluva bill. A bill to open the government is before the house, but that would expose the utter stupidity of the TParty. Dems already agreed to the repubs budget.

Take it and move on!

We didn't shut it down... we sent over several bills all of which would have funded the government... the Democrats in the SENATE and the half-wit in the white house voted no and to shut the government down.

And it's that senile old fart Reid who refuses to even nominate people to negotiate with the House to negotiate for a deal.

Which legally is his job to do... as well as how its always been done... and was before the Messiah was throned.

Harry Reid needs to be put in a nursing home... NOW...

No, Harry Reid's Comments Weren't A 'Gaffe' | The Federalist (http://thefederalist.com/2013/10/02/no-harry-reids-comments-werent-a-gaffe/)

Proof the lefties really hate everyone...



HARRY REID: Listen, Sen. Durbin explained that very well, and he did it here, did it on the floor earlier, as did Sen. Schumer. What right did they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded? It's obvious what's going on here. You talk about reckless and irresponsible. Wow. What this is all about is Obamacare. They are obsessed. I don't know what other word I can use. They're obsessed with this Obamacare. It's working now and it will continue to work and people will love it more than they do now by far. So they have no right to pick and choose.

BASH: But if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn't you do it?

REID: Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own. This is — to have someone of your intelligence to suggest such a thing maybe means you're irresponsible and reckless…

BASH: I'm just asking a question.

I'm liking the piecemeal passage of essential services approach. Some of the biggest abuses by the Federal gvt is through comprehensive legislation.

'so what's the possibility that the incident in Washington is a protest by a furloughed employee

I'm liking the piecemeal passage of essential services approach. Some of the biggest abuses by the Federal gvt is through comprehensive legislation.

That's just a great big copout and an attempt to subvert the processes

'so what's the possibility that the incident in Washington is a protest by a furloughed employee

Nope ;another example of the ignored mentally disturbed .

That's just a great big copout and an attempt to subvert the processes

The only process the lefties ever except is an ever expanding government with an arc of ever increasing spending .
What I like is that it prioritizes. Consider this my compromise because my preference would be to slash the budget and have debates on the elimination of whole depts of the Federal government... not just budgets getting freezed at current levels .

'so what's the possibility that the incident in Washington is a protest by a furloughed employee

None.. she was a Dental Hygenist... not a federal worker.. or even a federal contractor.

But she was mentally disturbed. Nobody showed her photo yet... but they did have the police carrying her toddler away fairly early on... (a clearly black girl roughly a year old... more or less) but later in the day they were blurring out the child on the videos and you wouldn't have been able to tell..

the only process the lefties ever except is an ever expanding government with an arc of ever increasing spending .
What I like is that it prioritizes. Consider this my compromise because my preference would be to slash the budget and have debates on the elimination of whole depts of the Federal government .... not just budgets getting freezed at current levels .

Waiting to see what the headlines are and making legislation to open and fund it is no way to govern. Making sound bites with lab coats and checks is no way to govern. Stupid PR stunts make you guys look silly, and will FAIL.

But The TParty loves every minute of it.

Congressman's shutdown comments draw flak (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/03/indiana-congressmans-shutdown-comments-draw-flak/2919361/)


Stutzman, who represents a northeastern Indiana district, was quoted in The Washington Examiner on Wednesday as saying: "We're not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

But it's okay to pay capital police IOU's while you figure out what works for you. You guys are wackos. Meanwhile the number of republican house members who would vote for a clean CR bill grows. A revolt against the TParty? Or a common sense solution? Or both!!

Here's A Tally Of Which House Republicans Are Ready To Fund The Government, No Strings Attached (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/house-republicans-clean-cr_n_4024755.html)

The WHacko's are the dementia riddled Reid... and that pompous naccicist Obama who think they are gods who can dictate what everyone WILL give them...

Apparently neither of them now Jack Squat about the constitution and the fact the three branches og government are co-equal... I guess because they were skipping class or just stoned on the days that was covered in Civics...

Because neither Obama or Reid... are even in the branch of government that has the sole right to mandate federal spending. Which is exclusively the House.

THe WHite house comes up with a budget... but the house can tear it up and spend everything how THEY want it spent because its they who hold the purse strings.

Since the lefties were out smoking pot instead of attending civics class... heres a little primer that even they should be able to understand about the powers and duties of the three branches of government.

The Duties of the Three Branches of Government (http://www.wisc-online.com/Objects/ViewObject.aspx?ID=SOC5904)

Waiting to see what the headlines are and making legislation to open and fund it is no way to govern. Making sound bites with lab coats and checks is no way to govern. Stupid PR stunts make you guys look silly, and will FAIL.

But The TParty loves every minute of it.

Yeah yeah I understand the melodrama . The emperor demagogues and the compliant praetorian press eggs him on with tales of woe . The emperor has for some reason combined the CR and the looming debt limit debate into one talking point. The real problem is that he thinks his role in our system is dictatorial. Smoothy is quite correct on that point . Even his own allies bemoan his aloof and detached " leadership" . All he knows how to do is street level rabble rousing .That is not governing ,and that is the sole reason for the impasse .

Joe Biden hates American veterans too...

And he's on the record doing it...

And Joe Biden stands up for the park service blocking the WWII vets !

Vice President Joe Biden is proud of the National Park Service ranger who stood up to Rep. Randy Neugebauer at the National World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C.

On Thursday, video surfaced online of Neugebauer, a Texas Republican, angrily lecturing the ranger for setting up barricades to the memorial.

"I'm proud of you," Biden said, according to his office's Twitter account, revealing that the vice president had called the ranger to thank her for her service.

Neugebauer told the ranger that the Park Service should be "ashamed" for blocking access to the memorial.

“I'm not ashamed,” the ranger replied.


Biden To Park Ranger Who Blocked Vets From WWII Memorial: “I'm Proud Of You” (http://www.ironicsurrealism.com/2013/10/04/biden-to-park-ranger-who-blocked-vets-from-wwii-memorial-im-proud-of-you/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogivists%2FtZjd+(Ironic+Sur realism.com))

I'm guessing he was frequently dropped on his head as a child.

Meanwhile the Park Service has reinforced the Barrycade at the WWII Memorial with wire.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVvCkmPCIAIunjR.jpg
But they ran out of them at the WWI Memorial
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVkshNuCMAA8yza.jpg

We need to round up some Meth heads to steal those and haul them off for scrap.

If you have to take hostages to make your point, you are no better than terrorists. That's what happens when after hollering and badmouthing for years, you don't have the votes to pass what you want.

If repubs weren't quaking in their boots over the TParty we might be at a different place. They have punked out the republican establishment, for now any way.

If you have to take hostages to make your point, you are no better than terrorists.

Again with the inflamatory language. I remember the mock outrage over alleged cross hairs on Sarah Palin campaign literature. Now the emperor uses language like "holding a gun to his head. "
But talk about "taking hostages " . When the emperor designs his shut down or sequester decisions to make the maximum visual effect to hurt the people then who is really taking hostages ? Who's taking hostages when he keeps Camp David open for his personal use but prevents troops overseas from watching the baseball playoffs or the NFL games ? He's a petty spiteful prick who is certainly fulfilling the Clint Eastwood description of an empty chair.

http://brokenpatriot.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/normandy.jpg?w=538&h=454

Harry Reid and OWEbama are the hostage takers... acting like misbehaving little children throwing a tantrum when mommy or daddy didn't get them the toy they were demanding.

How many times do you have to be told NO repeal, or delay of the ACA until you get it? DUHHH!!

That's my point, that was the stated goal of the shut down, and it FAILED! Now you scramble for another reason to keep it shutdown. Piece meal legislation has FAILED! Now it's a grand bargain.

For it not to FAIL, let the hostages GO!!

How many times do you have to be told NO repeal, or delay of the ACA until you get it? DUHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's my point, that was the stated goal of the shut down, and it FAILED! Now you scramble for another reason to keep it shutdown. Piece meal legislation has FAILED!! Now its a grand bargain.

For it not to FAIL, let the hostages GO!!!!!!!!!!

What part of you , Reid or Obama don't HAVE THE RIGHT to make that demand can't you lefties grasp.

Obama isn't a freakin god... NOBODY is beholden to him... particularly any Republicans... we know the average Democrat has a picture of him in their little temple they worship, and to those that have one even polish their knob to... but nobody else does.

THe Democrats do NOT control the House... Get over it... YOU lost that first midterm election BECAUSE of how the mentally deficient Democrats under Pelosi played that game...

The American Public don't WANT Obamacare... and not even the Democrats want it... look at how they all exempted themselves and their Union Buddies from having to have it.

Again with the dictates .At the end of the day ,the emperor's no-negotiations stance is just another red line he'll have to move. Then instead of looking Presidential ,he will be reduced to being forced to make concessions after bouts of petulant tantrums . He had the opportunity to seize the high ground and again is a failure.
Not only that but he's dragging his party with him. Part of his fragile majority in the Senate and House is a number of seats in States and districts that Romney won. That means they are soft held seats ripe for picking next year . The Repubics have on record all these mini-votes where these Dems voted against Vets care , cancer research for kids ,etc. Even better ,he has that punch drunk Reid as the public face of it.

Most 3 year olds behave with more maturity than Harry Reid or Obama have shown.

Seems to me the whole Democrat regime are a bunch of petulant pricks. This is all apparently a game to them...


Said a senior administration official: “We are winning…It doesn’t really matter to us” how long the shutdown lasts “because what matters is the end result.”

They wanted a shutdown, they're playing all manner of pathetic, childish shutdown theater and now the WH admits it's a game and all that matters is them winning.

Per speaker bonehead, “This isn’t some damn game!”

A better turnout of minorities, women, old, and young, as well as the poor will overcome your ID, and gerrymandering tricks and traps, and the right wing loony bunch will FAIL, and sanity and reason will be restored to governance.

Your meds are affordable so take them and swallow. Need a glass of water? I recommend a pitcher. You must be crazy thinking half of one third of the government dictates to the country.

GOP Donors Revolt Against Republican-Led Government Shutdown - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/03/gop-donors-revolt-against-republican-led-government-shutdown.html)


It is unlikely that the gilded power brokers in the Republican Party are likely to join their local county political club any time soon, but as the stock market wobbles amid the government shutdown and the continued demand for an Obamacare delay, a number of GOP donors are wondering if it is time for a little outside counter-pressure to sap the Tea Party of some of its energy. To be clear, none are considering joining the Democrats, and they find plenty of fault with President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. The deficit, taxes, and regulation remain top concerns. But several top GOP donors say figuring out a way to “break the fever”—as Obama once put it—or at least keep their fellow party members from damaging the economy any further has become Topic A in their social set.

About time!

Get that out of your daily approved propaganda booklet from the Messiah?

No just know far right lunacy when I see it. Or hear it.

No just know far right lunacy when I see it. Or hear it.

Bet you don't... you can't recognise far left lunacy when you see it... or hear it.

More of the Maniac Dicator Obama ordering Park Rangers to make life as hard on citizens as possible.

Someone impeach that waste of human flesh infesting the White House already.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3074874/posts?page=25

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/

Contrary the Messiahs delusional beliefs everything is HIS... they aren't... the parks belong to the people... not that Bozo in the White House. And him pulling these cheap and petty stunts shows what a petulant tiny insignificant little man he really is...

GOP Donors Revolt Against Republican-Led Government Shutdown - The Daily Beast


Quote:
It is unlikely that the gilded power brokers in the Republican Party are likely to join their local county political club any time soon, but as the stock market wobbles amid the government shutdown and the continued demand for an Obamacare delay, a number of GOP donors are wondering if it is time for a little outside counter-pressure to sap the Tea Party of some of its energy. To be clear, none are considering joining the Democrats, and they find plenty of fault with President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. The deficit, taxes, and regulation remain top concerns. But several top GOP donors say figuring out a way to “break the fever”—as Obama once put it—or at least keep their fellow party members from damaging the economy any further has become Topic A in their social set.

About time!

Lol cronies of the world unite. Feed that beast ! Yeah I'm sure those corporate interests are served by some of the Republic statists .

”what right do they have to pick and choose what part of government is going to be funded ? " Harry Reid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0lFyFJeZSY

Ummmm Harry ,try reading the Constitution. But I get it . To the Dems ,the Constitution is just a speed bump that has to be maneuvered around on the way toward their statist utopia.

This coming from the side that picks and chooses how to inflict the most pain in their shutdown games, closing open air memorials to vets, hating on children, closing parks that never have a park service presence anyway and now, threatening military chaplains with arrest even if they offer their services on a voluntary basis.

Priests threatened with arrest if they minister to military during shutdown | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/04/priests-threatened-with-arrest-if-they-minister-to-military-during-shutdown/)

Why do Dems hate children, soldiers, vets, God, the constitution, etc so much?

How many times do you have to be told NO repeal, or delay of the ACA until you get it? DUHHH!!

That's my point, that was the stated goal of the shut down, and it FAILED! Now you scramble for another reason to keep it shutdown. Piece meal legislation has FAILED! Now it's a grand bargain.

For it not to FAIL, let the hostages GO!!


For Democrats, the budget is all or nothing. Republican bills to fund this or that individual program have to be rejected out of hand as an affront to the apparent constitutional inviolability of the "continuing resolution."

In fact, government by "continuing resolution" is a sleazy racket: The legislative branch is supposed to legislate. Instead, they're presented with a yea-or-nay vote on a single all-or-nothing multi-trillion-dollar band-aid stitched together behind closed doors to hold the federal leviathan together while it belches its way through to the next budget cycle.
As professor Angelo Codevilla of Boston University put it, "This turns democracy into a choice between tyranny and anarchy." It's certainly a perversion of responsible government: Congress has less say over specific federal expenditures than the citizens of my New Hampshire backwater do at town meeting over the budget for a new fence at the town dump.

Pace Sen. Reid, Republican proposals to allocate spending through targeted, mere multi-billion-dollar appropriations is not only not "irresponsible" but, in fact, a vast improvement over the "continuing resolution": To modify Lord Acton, power corrupts, but continuing power corrupts continually.


An Overwhelming Majority Of The Federal Government Can't Be Shut Down - Investors.com (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/100413-673898-government-shutdown-is-a-phony-crisis.htm#ixzz2gqXpy0Cz)

This coming from the side that picks and chooses how to inflict the most pain in their shutdown games, closing open air memorials to vets, hating on children, closing parks that never have a park service presence anyway and now, threatening military chaplains with arrest even if they offer their services on a voluntary basis.

Priests threatened with arrest if they minister to military during shutdown | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/04/priests-threatened-with-arrest-if-they-minister-to-military-during-shutdown/)

Why do Dems hate children, soldiers, vets, God, the constitution, etc so much?


One would not be altogether surprised to find the feds stringing yellow police tape along the Rio Grande, the 49th Parallel and the Atlantic and Pacific coasts, if only to keep Americans in rather than anybody else out. Still, I would like to have been privy to the high-level discussions at which the government took the decision to install its Barrycades on open parkland.

For anyone with a modicum of self-respect, it's difficult to imagine how even the twerpiest of twerp bureaucrats would consent to stand at a crowd barrier and tell a group of elderly soldiers who've flown in from across the country that they're forbidden to walk across a piece of grass and pay their respects.

Yet, if any National Parks Service employee retained enough sense of his own humanity to balk at these instructions or other spiteful, petty closures of semi-wilderness fishing holes and the like, we've yet to hear about it.

The World War II Memorial exists thanks to some $200 million in private donations — plus $15 million or so from Washington: in other words, the feds paid for the grass. But the thug usurpers of the bureaucracy want to send a message: In today's America, everything is the gift of the government, and exists only at the government's pleasure, whether it's your health insurance, your religious liberty or the monument to your fallen comrades.
The Barrycades are such a perfect embodiment of what James Piereson calls "punitive liberalism" they should be tied round Obama's neck forever, in the way that "ketchup is a vegetable" got hung around Reagan-era Republicans. Alas, the court eunuchs of the Obama media cannot rouse themselves even on behalf of the nation's elderly warriors.


An Overwhelming Majority Of The Federal Government Can't Be Shut Down - Investors.com (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/100413-673898-government-shutdown-is-a-phony-crisis.htm#ixzz2gqZ6gK26)

Bonehead and his TParty cohorts should have thought of that when they decided to shut the government down. If they had, they would have avoided this mess. They still can with a clean CR to cover 60 days but they won't.

The TParty won't let them, though the list grows for support of such a vote among house republicans. Nice to see Bachmann so happy, even if REAL workers are NOT.

And the Dems should've thought of 'no changes to Obamacare ' before the executive waivers ,delays they approve of ,and SCOTUS fundamentally changing the words of the law after it was DEEMED the law of the land .Last I heard ,the "law of the land" had a provision for "Income Verification" for subsidies .Guess that's another part of the law that is OK to ignore .

The house passed 2 more bills to fund the government while negotiations continue. Dems don't want to negotiate, don't care if the government works or not, don't care if children get cancer treatment, don't wants vets honoring those who sacrificed their lives, don't care if vendors can open at parks that don't have Park Service staff, don't care about enforcing obamacare rules and call Republicans terrorists for doing their job. Your idea of negotiating is shut up and cave to our demands. Dems are mean, petulant pricks that are only interested in winning, not the good of the country.

further proof I'm right...


 Park Service appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice. The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon, where the plantation home of George Washington is a favorite tourist destination. That was after they barred the new World War II Memorial on the Mall to veterans of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon; it is privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies' Association. The ladies bought it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial. The feds closed access to the parking lots this week, even though the lots are jointly owned with the Mount Vernon ladies.

The rangers are from the government, and they’re only here to help.“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

Read more: PRUDEN: The cheap tricks of the game - Washington Times (http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/#ixzz2gqxdJ0vQ Follow) us: @washtimes on Twitter

"We've been told to make life as difficult as possible?" Gimme a break, this Democrat regime is growing more disgusting by the moment, and anyone that supports that mindset doesn't deserve to be called an American. How freakin' pathetic can you be?

As pathetic as shutting down the government in the first place. It was stupid, and only a fool would be happy about it. Just think what would happen if cops and first responders who aren't getting paid stop volunteering to do their JOBS.

Picking out small parts to be outraged about is thoughtless as hell. Either its open or NOT.

Intentionally trying to make life as difficult as possible is a small part? How pathetic. But thanks for proving my point.

Sen Pat Toomey has twice proposed a bill called the 'Full Faith and Credit Act.". He originally proposed it in 2011 ,during the last debt limit debate ,and it has been reintroduced again ,and passed in the House .The legislation will ensure that the U.S. government does not default on its debt by requiring the Treasury to prioritize payments on the debt in case the debt ceiling is not raised.
It protects Social Security benefits and military pay and requires that the United States Government prioritize all obligations on the debt held by the public if the debt limit is reached. Harry Reid has it stalled in the Finance Committee... oh yeah ,the emperor threatens to veto it if it's passed.

So how can we take his pablum about the national debt seriously ?

Stop the games and open the government, then you don't have to debate these silly piece meal fixes that make the headlines every day. What you think the TParty can ignore 72% of the American people that think it's a lousy idea to shut down the government because YOU don't like Obama Care?

The Full Faith and Credit Act is not a piecemeal bill . It comprehensively protects the nations from default caused by irresponsible Presidents who take the nation to the brink with stubborn resistance to do his job..

Sen Pat Toomey has twice proposed a bill called the 'Full Faith and Credit Act.". He originally proposed it in 2011 ,during the last debt limit debate ,and it has been reintroduced again ,and passed in the House .The legislation will ensure that the U.S. government does not default on its debt by requiring the Treasury to prioritize payments on the debt in case the debt ceiling is not raised.
It protects Social Security benefits and military pay and requires that the United States Government prioritize all obligations on the debt held by the public in the event that the debt limit is reached. Harry Reid has it stalled in the Finance Committee.....oh yeah ,the emperor threatens to veto it if it's passed.

So how can we take his pablum about the national debt seriously ?

That's great until some contractor doesn't get paid, and China does, or we start arguing what the priorities are, or who reprograms the computers that cuts the checks. Shame those that are a low priority will scream for full payment when you don't meet contractual obligations. Not to mention credit downgrading and the resultant rise in interest rates. Not good for the dollar, or the bond market, or full faith and credit of the whole country.

Sounds good on paper, but doesn't go far enough, but we do need a procedure for defaults than unwinds a fiscal mess without destroying the whole structure.

On that I can agree. Wonder what this shutdown will finally cost us?

Too bad... the emperor is holding the economy hostage and ginning up panic in the financial markets with his irresponsible rhetoric over the debt ceiling . The Dem solutions are always the same... spend more ,spend more , wash, rinse ,repeat...

Inflict as much pain as possible, that's all you need to know about how responsible Democrats are. I think is traitorous.

Then you should have old that to Ted and the rest of the TParty in the house. They got what they wanted... a shutdown until Obama Care was repealed... defunded... delayed. And we should think they are patriots?

Get real, they are the REAL traitors, and have FAILED, and will pay!

A CR without Obmacare funding... That's what I consider a “clean CR ”

Well of course that goes without saying you have already made your position abundantly clear

Fyi, the great healer had vets evicted from the Vietnam Memorial , too. What a petty prick in the White House.

While you guys evict poor people from having access to doctors, which takes money to pay his bill. But that's okay. You need links to the budget cuts you guys put on Veteran programs that was to help vets?

This goes back to the spring of this year, when repubs refused to conference with dems (18 times) over the sequester cuts, and now you hypocrites want to talk AFTER you shut the government down over Obama care?

And your outrage at the moment is on veterans who are tourists? You weren't outraged in March when they were cutting programs though!

While you guys evict poor people from having access to doctors, which takes money to pay his bill. But that's okay. You need links to the budget cuts you guys put on Veteran programs that was to help vets?

This goes back to the spring of this year, when repubs refused to conference with dems (18 times) over the sequester cuts, and now you hypocrites want to talk AFTER you shut the government down over Obama care?

And your outrage at the moment is on veterans who are tourists? You weren't outraged in March when they were cutting programs though!

If the lazy bums bought insurance instead of iPhones and expensive athletic shoes... and gave up going to Starbucks every day... they would have it. I found money to pay for medical insurance... AND Pay back student loans on $16K when I got out of college during Jimmy Carters wonderful economy...

I did it by making sacrifices... something liberals believe they should never be inconvenienced to do in their lives. Because their fragile egos couldn't suffer through it.

If the lazy bums bought insurance instead of iPhones and expensive athletic shoes....and gave up going to Starbucks every day....they would have it. I found money to pay for medical insurance....AND Pay back student loans on $16K when I got out of college during Jimmy Carters wonderful economy........

I did it by making sacrifices...something liberals believe they should never be inconvenienced to do in their lives. Because their fragile egos couldn't suffer through it.

Do you mean all the lazy people who don't have insurance or inadequate insurance? Do you means the lazy people who come to this website and ask for medical advice because ( by their own admission) can't afford to go to the doctor?

Then you should have old that to Ted and the rest of the TParty in the house. They got what they wanted.................a shutdown until Obama Care was repealed............defunded....................de layed. And we should think they are patriots?

Get real, they are the REAL traitors, and have FAILED, and will pay!

I think you need to get real. Obamacare was deemed passed by reconciliation... a move reserved for budgetary issues. So like it or not ,Obamacare funding is on the table in ALL budget negotiations as are all budget related issues.

While you guys evict poor people from having access to doctors, which takes money to pay his bill. But that's okay. You need links to the budget cuts you guys put on Veteran programs that was to help vets?

This goes back to the spring of this year, when repubs refused to conference with dems (18 times) over the sequester cuts, and now you hypocrites want to talk AFTER you shut the government down over Obama care?

And your outrage at the moment is on veterans who are tourists? You weren't outraged in March when they were cutting programs though!

I'm never outraged by trying to rein in government spending, why aren't you? Never mind, you think government is the solution to everything and don't care how much you take from me to do it. You're content with raping and pillaging hardworking taxpayers to accomplish your political agenda.

I'm not, and I see nothing moral about your ways, just as in this shutdown - intentionally inflicting pain on the people you claim to champion, vets, children, small business owners and you have no shame about it. The latest unnecessary farce in the shutdown charade? Amber Alert. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/07/amber-alert-website-down-due-to-government-shutdown/)

I think you need to get real. Obamacare was deemed passed by reconciliation... a move reserved for budgetary issues. So like it or not ,Obamacare funding is on the table in ALL budget negotiations as are all budget related issues.

The electorate said that dems control the executive branch, and the senate, and repubs have a narrow control of the house. In laymans terms you don't have the power via votes, to run a damn thing.

The house has given everyone a paid vacation, and Bonehead loses his job if he has a vote on a clean CR bill. Can't believe repubs are for government workers taking government money for sitting at home.

On a side note, I hope ESPN fantasy live updates gets its glitch fixed, after all they have had years to get there system together.

On a side note, I hope ESPN fantasy live updates gets its glitch fixed, after all they have had years to get there system together.

It worked fine for me. You must be on a government connection.

I'm never outraged by trying to rein in government spending, why aren't you? Never mind, you think government is the solution to everything and don't care how much you take from me to do it. You're content with raping and pillaging hardworking taxpayers to accomplish your political agenda.

I'm not, and I see nothing moral about your ways, just as in this shutdown - intentionally inflicting pain on the people you claim to champion, vets, children, small business owners and you have no shame about it. The latest unnecessary farce in the shutdown charade? Amber Alert. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/07/amber-alert-website-down-due-to-government-shutdown/)

Still pushing that lie that its dems who shut the government down huh? Just because we don't just give in to your demands? Your demands were stupid to begin with and saves nothing, but will cost plenty.

P.S. While you're still spinning your Republican's denying health care to poor people yarn, why does the Spite House hate kids, vets, small business owners and now seniors (http://www.ktnv.com/news/local/226557661.html)?


Joyce Spencer is 77-years-old and her husband Ralph is 80. They’ve been spending most of their time in the family ice cream store since going home isn’t an option.

The Spencers never expected to be forced out of their Lake Mead home, which they’ve owned since the 70s, but on Thursday, a park ranger said they had 24 hours to get out. …

Joyce Spencer said she’s all right in the meantime, staying with nearby family, but the move was a lot to handle as a senior citizen.

“I had to be sure and get his walker and his scooter that he has to go in,” Spencer said. “We’re not hurt in any way except it might cost me if I have to go buy more pants.”

Stop the charade, Tal - the emperor is just mean and nasty now and you know Republicans are not the ones that have ruled out a compromise and refuse to negotiate. We're not stupid.

From the article:

The Lake Mead properties are considered vacation homes [on federal land]; one of the lease requirements to own a plot is people must have an alternative residence.
No story here folks, just more misinformation.

Compromise on a 60 day funding bill? I don't think so.

The best for live updates is NFL.com fantasy leagues.

From the article:

No story here folks, just more misinformation.

Apparently it's not something they've bothered to enforce at least since the 70s, but at least we know you hate seniors, too and think it's fine to kick people out the home they OWN out of spite.


The Stewart's Point home sits on federal land, so even though the Spencers own their cabin outright, they're not allowed in until the government reopens.

You're just as petty as the emperor.

Compromise on a 60 day funding bill? I don't think so.

For the misinformed... there has always been compromises in funding the government... the emperor's dicatates and Senate obstructionism not withstanding .

You're just as petty as the emperor.Bless you.

for the misinformed... there has always been compromises in funding the government... the emperor's dicatates and Senate obstructionism not withstanding .

The regime's word for the House not giving them everything they want is "unprecedented." Sorry, but what's unprecedented is the dishonesty of this regime.


“Despite these stakes, the president is refusing to negotiate,” Wallace said. He noted that previous votes to raise the debt ceiling have included campaign finance reform, school prayer, and a nuclear freeze. “What’s unprecedented is not Congress tying strings; what’s unprecedented is a president refusing to negotiate.”

“Frankly, I think your history is wrong,” Lew said. “If you look at the cases where the debt limit was involved, there were many other things attached to the debt limit, but the question of threatening to cause a default of the United States, not until 2011 did it become a positive agenda—”

“With all due respect, your history is wrong,” Wallace responded.

“This has happened over and over again, and presidents have negotiated (http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/chris-wallace-battles-jack-lew-on-president-obamas-refusal-to-negotiate-your-history-is-wrong-54426/)…In 1997 you were deputy director the OMB when the debt limit was tied to measures to balance the budget. If it was good enough for Bill Clinton to sit down with the House Speaker, why is not good enough for Barack Obama?”

“The president wants to negotiate,” Lew said. “The president has taken many steps over the last several years to show his willingness to negotiate. He’s done it with Democrats saying he’s too eager to negotiate! Republicans have not come forward and made comparable movement. If we were in a place a year ago or two years ago, when everything was on the table, where entitlement reform and tax reform were equally on the table, we wouldn’t be where we are now.”

“I take away from this conversation that even though Republicans are willing to talk about a debt deal, it’s the president who’s digging his feet in the ground,” Wallace finished. “It sounds like you want unconditional surrender and nothing else!”

That's exactly what he wants.

That's not the only thing you can take from those comments, because its clear your delaying tactics from this past spring has come back to bite you guys in the arse.

You missed 8 months diddle d1cking around, and now you want to get serious? Its not like you had other things to do of any substance.

That's not the only thing you can take from those comments, because its clear your delaying tactics from this past spring has come back to bite you guys in the arse.

You missed 8 months diddle d1cking around, and now you want to get serious? Its not like you had other things to do of any substance.

You mean the scarequester - which Obama supported - then promplty went about being petty and mean by banning school kids from touring the Spite House and such? Yeah I remember that, shame yours is fuzzy.

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And what exactly was the president's agenda for the year? And you want to talk about the House "diddle d1cking around"? Get real Tal, we're not stupid and you still have an aversion to reality.

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No story here folks, just more misinformation.

Since I hear this all the time... got any reliable links to prove that claim?

Here is proof you are wrong.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/local/Lake-Mead-Property-Owners-Forced-Out-Until-Gov-Shutdown-Ends-226557661.html?lc=Smart

Seems the Spite House is realizing again their shutdown charade of dishonesty, fear mongering and inflicting pain has backfired.

After Bad Press and Confusion, Justice Department Restores Federal Amber Alert Website (http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/07/after-bad-press-and-confusion-justice-department-restores-federal-amber-alert-website/)

It also seems the Spite House just blinked on their debt-ceiling dictates.

White House official says Obama would accept short-term agreement on debt ceiling

He can have it his way if he would just champion the 'Full Faith and Credit Act '. There are even provisions in the law for the executive to temporarily go over the debt limit in emrgencies.

http://white%20house%20official%20says%20obama%20would%20 accept%20short-term%20agreement%20on%20debt%20ceiling/

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He can have it his way if he would just champion the 'Full Faith and Credit Act '. There are even provisions in the law for the executive to temporarily go over the debt limit in emrgencies.

Which bill did you mean as the only one passed and ratified is the one in the Constitution

Full Faith and Credit Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause)

You could make a liar of Obama by just putting a vote in the house of the clean CR bill passed by the Senate. Or prove Bonehead is a liar by saying there are not enough votes to pass it.

They should NOT present any "clean" CR just for the fact of how RUDE both Reid and Obama have been... who died and named either of them God of all they survey?

Someone gets rude with me and hell will freeze over before I do what theyu were demanding.

http://white%20house%20official%20says%20obama%20would%20 accept%20short-term%20agreement%20on%20debt%20ceiling/

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Which bill did you mean as the only one passed and ratified is the one in the Constitution

Full Faith and Credit Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause)

I thought I was clear . The 'full faith and credit act '. The clause in the constitution is a different issue regarding Federalism .

got any reliable links to prove that claim?Go read my post again... most adults will get what you missed.

You could make a liar of Obama by just putting a vote in the house of the clean CR bill passed by the Senate. Or prove Bonehead is a liar by saying there are not enough votes to pass it.

Obama proved himself to be a liar in the Youtube video I just posted, and to you guys a "clean CR" = unconditional surrender.

You could make a liar of Obama by just putting a vote in the house of the clean CR bill passed by the Senate. Or prove Bonehead is a liar by saying there are not enough votes to pass it.

You wish... in other words no changing the budget on ANY issues . Right ? Budgets are made from compromises ;but because the law was deemed through a budgetary trick ,suddenly it's funding cannot be negotiated ? I remember very well when the Dems held the military budget "hostage " during the Reagan years .
Even Clintoon was smart enough to negotiate with Gingrich. That led to a balanced budget which the Clintonistas still take credit for.
CRs are the problem. Appropriations are supposed to be examined individually, not rubber stamped as part of a single "clean" bill.

http://white%20house%20official%20says%20obama%20would%20 accept%20short-term%20agreement%20on%20debt%20ceiling/

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Which bill did you mean as the only one passed and ratified is the one in the Constitution

Full Faith and Credit Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause)

By the way ;you know what the Dems called the Full Faith and Credit Act?. "Pay China First" .Maybe you remember it under that talking point.

But it's true I guess: http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

If they don't want to pay the creditors of the US debt they should attempt to cut spending and reduce the debt. And that graphic is deceptive because the biggest holder of US debt is the US entitlement system and US bond holders . The Chinese holding ;apx $1.277 trillion is large .But when compared to the $16.8 trillion held by private US citizens and the government then the Full Faith Bill could hardly be called a Pay China First bill. That was pure demagogery on the Dem's part .

It isn't a democrat thing tom:
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Actually calling the Bill the "Pay China First Bill" was 1st used by Dem Rep. Niki Tsongas.
Congresswoman Niki Tsongas : Press Releases : Tsongas rejects GOP's "Pay China First" bill (http://tsongas.house.gov/press-releases/tsongas-rejects-gops-pay-china-first-bill/)
Again . China is not the largest holder of US debt . It is the largest FOREIGN holder of US debt . But the largest SINGLE holder of US debt is the US government ,which has been for years shifting social security withholding into the general revenue and replacing it with "the full faith and credit " of the United States. So when the Repubics passed that bill ,they are making sure that Social Security payments are the top priority in the case where a new debt ceiling cannot be agreed to . You see... tax receipts collected daily is more than enough money to pay the debt service. So when the emperor threatens that SS payments will be missed ;it's only because as the executive ,he instructs the Treasury to not make the payment .

I'm wondering why the National Park service is going to allow a pro-illegal alien rally on the National Mall ?
Park Service OKs immigration reform rally on 'closed' National Mall | WashingtonExaminer.com (http://washingtonexaminer.com/park-service-oks-immigration-reform-rally-on-closed-national-mall/article/2536908)

Every other President has had to negotiate,yet king obama feels he is different,this time he will see he is wrong !

"A new Fox News poll shows that a majority of American voters--58 percent--would vote "no" on raising the debt ceiling. Only 37 percent of American voters would vote to raise the debt ceiling.

An even bigger majority--62 percent--would only vote to raise the debt ceiling after "major cuts in government spending."

Only one in four Americans--27 percent--says that it would be "reckless" even to debate not raising the debt ceiling.

The poll, conducted by a bipartisan team of polling firms surveying 952 registered voters on land lines and cell phones, was conducted on Oct. 1 and Oct. 2. The margin of error is 3 percent.

The striking results of the poll indicate that most Americans are in line with the Tea Party position on the debt ceiling than with the politicians and pundits in Washington who routinely slam fiscal conservatives and the very idea of spending restraint.
- See more at: We Are All Tea Partiers Now: Americans Say No to Debt Ceiling Increase (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/08/No-Debt-Ceiling#sthash.NkdDhb7K.dpuf)

I'm sure the usual suspects will see nothing wrong with this and find a way to either blame it on Republicans or claim it's lies or both, since apparently they support the new Obama dictatorship.

Vacationing seniors were locked inside their hotel rooms in Yellowstone with armed NPS rangers keeping watch.


'Gestapo' tactics meet senior citizens at Yellowstone

October 8, 2013
By John Macone Staff writer

NEWBURYPORT — Pat Vaillancourt went on a trip last week that was intended to showcase some of America’s greatest treasures.

Instead, the Salisbury resident said she and others on her tour bus witnessed an ugly spectacle that made her embarrassed, angry and heartbroken for her country.

Vaillancourt was one of thousands of people who found themselves in a national park as the federal government shutdown went into effect on Oct. 1. For many hours her tour group, which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in a Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard.

The tourists were treated harshly by armed park employees, she said, so much so that some of the foreign tourists with limited English skills thought they were under arrest.

When finally allowed to leave, the bus was not allowed to halt at all along the 2.5-hour trip out of the park, not even to stop at private bathrooms that were open along the route.

“We’ve become a country of fear, guns and control,” said Vaillancourt, who grew up in Lawrence. “It was like they brought out the armed forces. Nobody was saying, ‘we’re sorry,’ it was all like — ” as she clenched her fist and banged it against her forearm.

Vaillancourt took part in a nine-day tour of western parks and sites along with about four dozen senior citizen tourists. One of the highlights of the tour was to be Yellowstone, where they arrived just as the shutdown went into effect.

Rangers systematically sent visitors out of the park, though some groups that had hotel reservations — such as Vaillancourt’s — were allowed to stay for two days. Those two days started on a sour note, she said.

The bus stopped along a road when a large herd of bison passed nearby, and seniors filed out to take photos. Almost immediately, an armed ranger came by and ordered them to get back in, saying they couldn’t “recreate.” The tour guide, who had paid a $300 fee the day before to bring the group into the park, argued that the seniors weren’t “recreating,” just taking photos.

“She responded and said, ‘Sir, you are recreating,’ and her tone became very aggressive,” Vaillancourt said.

The seniors quickly filed back onboard and the bus went to the Old Faithful Inn, the park’s premier lodge located adjacent to the park’s most famous site, Old Faithful geyser. That was as close as they could get to the famous site — barricades were erected around Old Faithful, and the seniors were locked inside the hotel, where armed rangers stayed at the door.

“They looked like Hulk Hogans, armed. They told us you can’t go outside,” she said. “Some of the Asians who were on the tour said, ‘Oh my God, are we under arrest?’ They felt like they were criminals.”

- See more at: 'Gestapo' tactics meet senior citizens at Yellowstone » Merrimack Valley » EagleTribune.com, North Andover, MA (http://www.eagletribune.com/local/x1442580353/Gestapo-tactics-meet-senior-citizens-at-Yellowstone#sthash.65CD84vO.dpuf)

Heaven forbid people who've lived a long life, served their countries and communities should dare be caught recreating on THEIR land. I can't believe you lefties cannot see what a prick the emperor is and defend this thuggish, inexcusable behavior.