Hello again, Steve:

Again with that lie, I feed at least 9 people every day plus what my tax dollars do.And, I run a business. You're a good liberal, and I'm a good conservative.

Nonetheless, your PARTY is the selfish party. MY party, is the share in the wealth party.

excon

As we speak the rich guys are happily counting money as the Dow reaches 16,000, and you are trying to feed 9 people off your meager earnings that have reached any higher for a decade.

What's wrong with that picture?

Hello again, Steve:
And, I run a business. You're a good liberal, and I'm a good conservative.

Nonetheless, your PARTY is the selfish party. MY party, is the share in the wealth party.

excon

It is not sharing if you're taking from one to give to another. It's not a difficult concept to understand. But thank you both for validating my football analogy.Next time one of you is beating me in fantasy football I as the generous benevolent commissioner will take some of your points and give to my team.

Hello again, Steve:

I as the generous benevolent commissioner will take some of your points and give to my team.If you can enlist a majority of the powers that be to change the rules, then go ahead...

But, it's those pesky mechanical things about running the country that escape you. You seem to think the Democrats threw you on the ground and TOOK stuff from you. But, the laws that allowed them to DO that, were PASSED in congress, and signed by the president. That ONLY happens when a MAJORITY of the people WANT it. THAT is how it works here.

You DO understand the word MAJORITY, don't you??? Even IF you're NOT a member of the majority, when the majority SPEAKS, you're INCLUDED. When we say THE people spoke, YOU'RE included. I know you don't like that. Bummer for you.

excon

As we speak the rich guys are happily counting money as the Dow reaches 16,000, and you are trying to feed 9 people off your meager earnings that have reached any higher for a decade.

What's wrong with that picture?

I guess you should go for it
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Hello again, Steve:
If you can enlist a majority of the powers that be to change the rules, then go ahead...

But, it's those pesky mechanical things about running the country that escape you. You seem to think the Democrats threw you on the ground and TOOK stuff from you. But, the laws that allowed them to DO that, were PASSED in congress, and signed by the president. That ONLY happens when a MAJORITY of the people WANT it. THAT is how it works here.

You DO understand the word MAJORITY, don't you??? Even IF you're NOT a member of the majority, when the majority SPEAKS, you're INCLUDED. When we say THE people spoke, YOU'RE included. I know you don't like that. Bummer for you.

excon

You didn't sing that tune when you were in the minority, but hey the law is the law. Doesn't make it right OR fair does it? Especially when The Liar so brazenly picks and chooses what laws he wants to enforce and laws he wants to disregard or change by executive fiat without that congressional approval..

I guess you should go for it
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We don't do that here. We raise taxes on those lying job creators until they do their job. But you guys besides losing elections despite all that loot, are still protecting them.

They must pay the henchmen very well. What! You do the dirty work for free! :(

Or are you hoping to make a first class nation into a third world country? That wouldn't surprise me at all.

Or are you hoping to make a first class nation into a third world country? That wouldn't surprise me at all.

See Venezuela, Greece, etc. etc.

We don't do that here. We raise taxes on those lying job creators until they do their job. But you guys besides losing elections despite all that loot, are still protecting them.

They must pay the henchmen very well. What! You do the dirty work for free! :(

Or are you hoping to make a first class nation into a third world country? That wouldn't surprise me at all.

lol the progressive Dems are eyeball deep in protectionism and corporate give-aways despite their phony populist rhetoric. Again ;it was conservatives and some libertarians that cast votes against TARP ,and the budget busting stimulus .

Well Tom letting everything collapse and have everybody losing everything was just not a better idea, and it was more far reaching than just our country. Why would you wish ruin on everyone?

Well Tom letting everything collapse and have everybody losing everything was just not a better idea, and it was more far reaching than just our country. Why would you wish ruin on everyone?

That was just speculation. I say that failure is a good part of the capitalist system. A 'moral hazard' is a situation where a party will have a tendency to take risks because the costs that could incur will not be felt by the party . In other words ,there was a general understanding that if the sh*t hit the fan ,that the government would invoke this bs 'too big to fail' and use the power of government to keep the insitutions afloat . Had there been instead an understanding that bad business decisions would put them out of business ,then they would've been more cautious in their approach. But that wouldn't have served the gvt either since it was the gvt that compelled them to take irrational risk in the first place.

My version is it was robbery through fraud, knowingly selling a defective product. Collusion between banks and rating agencies on a global scale... GREED. As the dust settles after the shock, they will be held accountable. Slowly but surely.

I'm a believer in equality of opportunity, not mandated equity. I happen to know my liberal friends here are sports fans. In the real world 2 football teams begin with the same rules, the same number of players, a score of 0-0 and the team that takes advantage of their opportunity wins.

In their world if one team gets ahead, like the Saints did the Cowboys, they would try to level the playing field. Sorry Saints, you should not have been so greedy so Brees has to sit. If that doesn't make it fair then you lose Jimmy Graham, too. If after that you're still hoarding all the points there goes your cornerbacks until finally the hapless Cowboys tie it up and everyone is equal. Unless of course my liberal friends are Saints fans then they keep everyone in and pay off the referees.

p.s. and take 14 points from the Cowboys.


Your "real world" view is precisely the problem. In the world professional sports equal opportunity is all important to elite athletes. You are given every opportunity to prove you can compete with the best. Coaches pick the best possible team from the players available. If you are not up to the standard then you don't get picked.

When it comes to life skills and success at living there are some people who could be considered 'elite'. They are the most successful and most prosperous members of society.

Some people want to play professional football because they believe they have the skills to be successful. Everyone has to play the game of life. We have no choice. All humans and far from equal in that regard. Some people in our society no matter how hard they try will never be successful at the game of life.

The analogy doesn't work

Socialism... its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
(Churchill )

Socialism... its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
(Churchill )
And the preferred way of life would be?

Where liberty is, there is my country.
(Benjamin Franklin )

Socialism... its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
(Churchill )
The whole quote is:

The main vice of capitalism is the uneven distribution of prosperity. The main vice of socialism is the even distribution of misery.

He may have used that quote also but the complete Churcill quote I referenced is :
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Socialism... its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery
(Churchill )

Not on this side of the equator

(Tutty)

Not on this side of the equator

(Tutty)

It's all in a definition Tutt, what Churchill was speaking of was communism. Socialism is a society organised to bring the greater good to as many as possible whereas capitalism is a society organised to bring the greater good to those possessing the means of production.

Our implementation of liberal values and socialist economic theory has indeed brought the greater good to the greatest number without stopping capitalistic endeavour. Tom doesn't realise that such things are possible, for him it is all or nothing

Not on this side of the equator

(Tutty)
Nor here. Must be an american thing.

Nor here. Must be an american thing.

You can't tell them that karma, they think that place is utopia, hey the scenery is nice, but

It's all in a definition Tutt, what Churchill was speaking of was communism. Socialism is a society organised to bring the greater good to as many as possible whereas capitalism is a society organised to bring the greater good to those possessing the means of production.

Our implementation of liberal values and socialist economic theory has indeed brought the greater good to the greatest number without stopping capitalistic endeavour. Tom doesn't realise that such things are possible, for him it is all or nothing

So what's Greece's excuse?

So what's Greece's excuse?

To achieve it you have to be reasonable, pay some tax, (Greek mistake number one), limit the public service (Greek mistake number two), not borrow more than you can repay (Greek mistake number three), the other thing is you have to have a philosopy of sharing. When an industry is failing or becomes uncompetative you have to let it go

The reality; Democrats rushed through a "complex and intricate" law no one wanted or read and had no bipartisan support. The regime carved out special rules for special interests (with a "union fix" likely coming) and had 3 years to implement, build exchanges and a website.

Insurance companies, who have to comply with the laws and don't write the laws prepared and did their part. So who's responsible for the current disaster? That's right, the insurance companies (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/190477-dems-look-to-hold-insurance-industrys-feet-to-the-fire).


Democratic lawmakers have taken a more aggressive posture, however. They are pressuring the industry to take responsibility for hundreds of thousands of people who want to keep their insurance plans but could not until this past week because they failed to meet ObamaCare’s requirements.

They say the ball is now in the industry’s court after the president announced his administration would let companies continue to offer plans that do not meet the law’s standards if people want to keep them.

“What we have to do is have all legislators team up and call upon the insurance industry to honor their side of the bargain because it requires not only the government side but it requires the insurance companies to keep offering the policies and not cancel them on folks,” said Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.).

“I’ll be calling on insurance companies to continue to extend the individual plans that citizens currently have,” he said.

A senior Senate Democratic aide said companies should take advantage of the one-year administrative fix Obama announced Thursday.

“This now rests at the feet of the insurance companies. They’re the ones that have to step up and make the plans available,” the aide said.

You know, if I were depending on the insurance companies to cooperate in carrying out your holy grail of legislation I wouldn't start by REQUIRING them to offer different policies while lying to the American people about them being able to keep their plans, and then REQUIRING them to do a quick 180 AFTER they did what YOU REQUIRED them to do.

But that's me, and I have more integrity in my little toe than these Democrats in Washington do combined. This was never about YOU, it's all about THEM. They don't give a rat's patoot about you. No Dems, it does not rest at the feet of insurance companies, you jacked it up, you live with the consequences. You DESERVE to have your sorry a$$es thrown out.

ALL politicians act based on enriching their personal coffers - that's the only bi-partisan thing happening in all public buildings.

ALL politicians act based on enriching their personal coffers - that's the only bi-partisan thing happening in all public buildings.

I'm not that cynical, I've know some upstanding and outstanding politicians with plenty of integrity. This however is so blatant it's infuriating, they screwed it up, they live with the fallout.

The reality; Democrats rushed through a "complex and intricate" law no one wanted or read and had no bipartisan support. The regime carved out special rules for special interests (with a "union fix" likely coming) and had 3 years to implement, build exchanges and a website.

Insurance companies, who have to comply with the laws and don't write the laws prepared and did their part. So who's responsible for the current disaster? That's right, the insurance companies (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/190477-dems-look-to-hold-insurance-industrys-feet-to-the-fire).



You know, if I were depending on the insurance companies to cooperate in carrying out your holy grail of legislation I wouldn't start by REQUIRING them to offer different policies while lying to the American people about them being able to keep their plans, and then REQUIRING them to do a quick 180 AFTER they did what YOU REQUIRED them to do.

But that's me, and I have more integrity in my little toe than these Democrats in Washington do combined. This was never about YOU, it's all about THEM. They don't give a rat's patoot about you. No Dems, it does not rest at the feet of insurance companies, you jacked it up, you live with the consequences. You DESERVE to have your sorry a$$es thrown out.

Vote 2014, that's where the rubber meets the road. See you at the polls.

Hello again, Steve:

The reality; Democrats rushed through a "complex and intricate" law no one wanted Let's review (http://youngprogressivevoices.com/2013/11/07/five-myths-about-obamacare-the-gop-wants-you-to-believe-and-why-they-are-wrong/), shall we?

The Republicans’ hostile rhetoric regarding the law is driven from the belief that Obamacare is unpopular among Americans, but is that true? Well, it is true that more Americans are opposing the law than supporting it as many polls have shown, but those are not the majority. The Kaiser Family Foundation poll shows that 43 percent of Americans oppose the law versus 39 percent who supports it. While 17 percent are either unsure or unfamiliar with the law. This margin is even closer among uninsured Americans as 39 percent support, 35 percent oppose, and 26 percent remain unsure. According to these numbers, we can’t really say that Americans are opposing the healthcare law as we have nearly half of the nation supporting it. Another point that is worth to mention is the fact that other polls find Americans to be overwhelmingly unfamiliar with the law as Gallup poll found that nearly 7 in 10 uninsured Americans are not familiar (%47 are not familiar “at all”) with the law changes, precisely the exchanges provision. How can we decide and speak for the public’s will against the law, if the public is overly uninformed, and in many cases, misinformed.

Excon

I'm not interested in Progressive spin, I have already demonstrated twice to you that Americans did not vote for Obama because they wanted Obamacare and the operative word was "wanted." You find me the numbers showing Americans "wanted" Obamacare when it was being rammed through and then we'll talk. Meanwhile, you guys live with the consequences of the crap sandwich you gave us. Hope it tastes good to you.

Maybe they "wanted " to keep their insurance and doctors too. It was sold to us by a massively fraudulent sales pitch ,and by grand deception . So how can anyone seriously say the people wanted it when it was based on the big lie ?

Maybe they "wanted " to keep their insurance and doctors too. It was sold to us by a massively fraudulent sales pitch ,and by grand deception . So how can anyone seriously say the people wanted it when it was based on the big lie ?

And then there's that.

Funny how you never questioned the insurance companies motives, and policies, and marketing, despites decades of gouging and raising prices. Now you defend allthat they do like they are the victims, and people are NOT.

The margin for health insurance companies hovers at about 3-4 % generally. It is about 87th among 215 industries as far as profit margins go. Not that great a gig if you ask me ;especially when gvt mandates cut into margins.

Funny how you never questioned the insurance companies motives, and policies, and marketing, despites decades of gouging and raising prices. Now you defend allthat they do like they are the victims, and people are NOT.

Market gouging or government poking and gouging, I know which poison you pick. At least in the market I have a choice.

Look at how well Big Government has handled running the Post office and Social Security...

They will screw up Healthcare even worse.

The margin for health insurance companies hovers at about 3-4 % generally. It is about 87th among 215 industries as far as profit margins go. Not that great a gig if you ask me ;especially when gvt mandates cut into margins.

Why do they do it, for money of course, and they make billions shuffling paper back and forth. Consumer driven revenues, guaranteed by law.


Market gouging or government poking and gouging, I know which poison you pick. At least in the market I have a choice.

You have already picked your poison, and you like it.


Look at how well Big Government has handled running the Post office and Social Security...

They will screw up Healthcare even worse.

Have you missed any mail? Or SS checks? Me either.

Why do they do it, for money of course, and they make billions shuffling paper back and forth. Consumer driven revenues, guaranteed by law.



You have already picked your poison, and you like it.



Have you missed any mail? Or SS checks? Me either.

Bother are going bankrupt... services are being cut... because they mismanaged what they had in the case of the Post Office, or wasted the money taken out of peoples checks on things OTHER than social security.

They can't fix either one of those... they couldn't even get a simple website right... and we are supposed to "TRUST" they will get this right?

Sorry... I don't have that kind of blind faith in Ideologs that have not done anything else right in their lives except play a con game well enough to win elections.

Bother are going bankrupt... services are being cut... because they mismanaged
In the case of SS, WHO mismanaged?

In the case of SS, WHO mismanaged?

Big government... there is nothing private about the Social security program.

Big government... there is nothing private about the Social security program.
Our friends in Congress?

Our friends in Congress? Don't blame congress alone... the Senate and the White House share in the blame.

Don't blame congress alone... the Senate and the White House share in the blame.
Senate is part of the Congress. Who took what?

You have already picked your poison, and you like it.

Yep, I'll take freedom over government coercion any day.

Government must not be so bad if you have your freedom AND the poison you have chosen.

Hello again, Steve:
Let's review (http://youngprogressivevoices.com/2013/11/07/five-myths-about-obamacare-the-gop-wants-you-to-believe-and-why-they-are-wrong/), shall we??


excon

FYI, current polls (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html) don't show a whole lot of approval for Obamacare. In fact, Rassmussen has it at its highest spread ever - 38 for and 58 against. What were you saying?

Senate is part of the Congress. Who took what?

They have been taking a specific tax out of every working persons paycheck for their entire working lives in the promise of providing a certain level of support in your old age...

SO they waste it on anything BUT that purpose... then say "sorry, we are out of money, so get a tin cup and stand on the street".

If anyone else charged you for a service then failed to provide it after they cashed your check... there would have been a crime committed.

And its been Happening since Johnson was in office.

That 14% is more than most people have to set aside for their own savings... so it's a not an insignificant fraud.

If it had actually been in that "Lockbox" they lied about for so many decades......there would be more than enough.

They have been taking a specific tax out of every working persons paycheck for their entire working lives in the promise of providing a certain level of support in your old age...

SO they waste it on anything BUT that purpose... then say "sorry, we are out of money, so get a tin cup and stand on the street".

If anyone else charged you for a service then failed to provide it after they cashed your check... there would have been a crime committed.

And its been Happening since Johnson was in office.

That 14% is more than most people have to set aside for their own savings... so it's a not an insignificant fraud.

If it had actually been in that "Lockbox" they lied about for so many decades......there would be more than enough.

Where are the victims of this robbery and fraud?

Where are the victims of this robbery and fraud?

Everyone that's paid into the SSI system during their working years... and everyone that's going to have the benefits they paid for reduced or refused altogether in the very near future.

Not if democrats stop the republicans from doing so. Wait a minute, aren't you a Republican? Didn't you vote for the Ryan plan?

Everyone that's paid into the SSI system during their working years... and everyone that's going to have the benefits they paid for reduced or refused altogether in the very near future.

So what you are saying is social programs cannot change over time

So what you are saying is social programs cannot change over time
What I'm saying if you are making people make mandatory payments for a program, a significant portion of their income... that money should ONLY be spent on that program. And the people that have peen paying for over 40 years into it... DESERVE to get what they were paying for.

What I'm saying if you are making people make mandatory payments for a program, a significant portion of their income... that money should ONLY be spent on that program. And the people that have peen paying for over 40 years into it... DESERVE to get what they were paying for.

Ok by 2030 you will only get 77%, you should live so long and you only need to work for ten years to get it. I like the bit where early retirement costs you money, the assumption that jobs are available. I would say it was designed by a Republican

So what you are saying is social programs cannot change over time

Of course they can change. But what has happened to the Social Security Trust fund may be the biggest theft in world history.

And Obamacare is a Cloward-Piven orgasm... designed to bring down capitalism.

I've got no issue with reduced payments for early retirement... and I think you should need a lot more than just 10 years paying into the system to qualify for benefits.

Point of not ebeing I'm 52... I've been paying in since I was 18... I will be working and paying in until I'm 67 before I can collect... assuming I live that long.I'm entitled to that benifit, I've paid for it. (yes we have a seperate tax specifically for that)

If I had the money I paid all those years in a individual retirement account right now... I would have no worries. Even with as many years as I have left to work.

Of course they can change. But what has happened to the Social Security Trust fund may be the biggest theft in world history.


Where I come from we have this thing called "consolidated revenue" and the marvelous thing is; all the benefits are paid from it. I suspect the same approach is at the bottom of your evaporating SS

If you mean that they plundered the trust fund and use it as general revenue to pay the debt and hide the full extent of the budget deficit ,then yes .

If you mean that they plundered the trust fund and use it as general revenue to pay the debt and hide the full extent of the budget deficit ,then yes .


Place what intrepretation upon it you may, but the days of fund accounting are dead, the money goes in, the money goes out, every generation borrows from the future

where I come from we have this thing called "consolidated revenue" and the marvelous thing is; all the benefits are paid from it. I suspect the same approach is at the bottom of your evaporating SS

I have a question on this. In the U.S. it doesn't really go into an account and it doesn't really belong to you. Lets say as example the retirement age is 65. So to get to the benefits you have put money into you have to first reach that age. If you don't then you get nothing. The money accumulated can not be passed on to your heirs.

Does this "consolidated revenue" that you speak of work in simaler fashion or can it be passed along to your heirs?

I have a question on this. In the U.S. it doesnt really go into an account and it doesnt really belong to you. Lets say as example the retirement age is 65. So to get to the benefits you have put money into you have to first reach that age. If you dont then you get nothing. The money accumulated can not be passed on to your heirs.

Does this "consolidated revenue" that you speak of work in simaler fashion or can it be passed along to your heirs?


Yes, we used to have a Social Security contribution, the idea no doubt borrowed from you. At some point this was rolled into the general taxation system "consolidated revenue" so Social Security contributions are no longer identifiable. At the same time everyone is entitled to an aged pension at 65, the level of benefit determined by the government and kept to a percentage of average weekly earnings. The reality is, you get much more back than you ever contributed. There is a cutoff on this so the wealthy don't participate. A later development is an employer funded superannuation contribution which is individually identifiable and maintained by a superannuation fund that contribution is 9% and rising

Yes, we used to have a Social Security contribution, the idea no doubt borrowed from you. at some point this was rolled into the general taxation system "consolidated revenue" so Social Security contributions are no longer identifiable. At the same time everyone is entitled to an aged pension at 65, the level of benefit determined by the government and kept to a percentage of average weekly earnings. There is a cutoff on this so the wealthy don't participate. A later development is an employer funded superannuation contribution which is individually identifiable and maintianed by a superannuation fund that contribution is 9% and rising

What happens to the money if you were to pass away before reaching 65 years of age ?

What happens to the money if you were to pass away before reaching 65 years of age ?

It remains in consolidated revenue, for the superannuation scheme it is part of your estate. That scheme originated as a productivity trade off for wages forgone

According to that great philosopher Kanye West, the first billion dollar campaign President is a failure because blacks ain't got no money or connections like Jews do.

Kanye West on Obama's Failures: (http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/11/27/kanye-west-obamas-failures-black-people-don-t-have-same-connections-j)

Haha, people listen to Kanye West on subjects other than music.

They listen to Ted Cruz about hooking people on sugar, while he has a stash of his own sugar.

Ted Cruz Has a Health Insurance Plan from Goldman Sachs - The Wire (http://www.thewire.com/politics/2013/10/ted-cruz-has-health-insurance-plan-goldman-sachs/70869/)

A guy who got his trying to keep everybody else from getting anything?

Don't recall anyone holding the position that they want to deny healthcare for others. Could you point out where Cruz has advocated that position?

That's what repealing Obama Care means. Try and keep up.

yes slow arn't they, but then it goes with backwoods thinking

Hello again, tal:

If you recall, our right wing friends ALWAYS said that Obamacare wasn't needed because EVERYBODY already got first rate treatment. Therefore, they REFUSE to believe that a repeal of Obamacare would hurt anybody..

Irgo, Ted Cruz wasn't denying them care.. He was offering them the wonderful care that they already had.

excon

"We're evaluating why it is exactly that I didn't know soon enough that it wasn't going to work the way it needed to." (the emperor ) Answer...... BS he knew.

"We're evaluating why it is exactly that I didn't know soon enough that it wasn't going to work the way it needed to." (the emperor ) Answer...... BS he knew.

It's already been proven he knew but the emperor will never let reality get in the way of a good lie.

It's already been proven he knew but the emperor will never let reality get in the way of a good lie.

some people are obviously a little slow, and a little slow to react, bureaucracy and all that, noone believes their favoured course of action is going to fail, but everyone knows there will be delays, and snafu is the norm

Sorry to disagree, but this regime believes we're too stupid to notice their sleight of hand.

Hello again,

This is as good a place as any to place EVIDENCE of my aversion to reality...

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

THAT'S how I WAGE my liberal atheistic WAR on Christmas.. Please, don't tell Bill O'Reilly...

excon

Hello again,

This is as good a place as any to place EVIDENCE of my aversion to reality...

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

THAT'S how I WAGE my liberal atheistic WAR on Christmas.. Please, don't tell Bill O'Reilly...

excon


First, a few wackos saying Merry Christmas doesn't mean there is no war on Christmas.

Second, Merry Christmas.

Hello again, Steve:

First, a few wackos saying Merry Christmas doesn't mean there is no war on Christmas.It's true.. This was subterfuge. I was hoping to catch you napping.. Of course, I'm still required to serve a tour of duty in the war on Christmas.

Was there a security leak??

excon

If there is a war on Christmas it seems we're mostly winning.

A judge has said the Detroit bankruptcy may proceed (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/03/detroit-bankruptcy-eligibility/3849833/).


"It is indeed a momentous day," U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Steven Rhodes said at the end of a 90-minute summary of his ruling. "We have here a judicial finding that this once-proud city cannot pay its debts. At the same time, it has an opportunity for a fresh start. I hope that everybody associated with the city will recognize that opportunity."

I have my doubts.

This is as good a place as any to place EVIDENCE of my aversion to reality...

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

THAT'S how I WAGE my liberal atheistic WAR on Christmas.. Please, don't tell Bill O'Reilly...

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By all means let's continue our war on non-christmas. MERRY CHRISTMAS! just getting in early

Hey, guys! Until 12:01 a.m. December 25th, it's Advent!! Now, let's light our first Advent candle together.

It's Christmas time - time for Santa Claus!

A judge has said the Detroit bankruptcy may proceed (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/03/detroit-bankruptcy-eligibility/3849833/).



I have my doubts.

tough day for the public unions.

don't give me that crap, satan claus has about as much to do with christmas as the easter bunny has to do with easter, SC is a thinly disguised pagan god

Bah humbug! Dear Santa is the personification of love and unselfish giving, of sharing with friends and even strangers, that jolly old elf who puts smiles on our faces and gives spirits a lift.

Detroit is a good example of taxation without representation.

The Detroit Bankruptcy | Demos (http://www.demos.org/publication/detroit-bankruptcy)


By cutting revenue sharing with the city, the state effectively reduced its own budget challenges on the backs of the taxpayers of Detroit (and other cities). These cuts account for nearly a third of the city's revenue losses between FY 2011 and FY 2013, coming on the heels of the revenue losses from the Great Recession and tipping the city into the cash flow crisis that it is now experiencing. Furthermore, the Legislature placed strict limits on the city's ability to raise revenue itself to offset these losses.


•The emergency manager's plan to pay the swap termination fees outside of the bankruptcy process should be abandoned. The bank counterparties should be made to bear the consequences of the original swap transaction, and they should be pushed to forego their projected profit (the measure of the termination payment), given the large profits they have already earned as a result of the unusually low interest rates that resulted from the financial crash. The emergency manager should also press for prorated rebates on the premiums for insurance on the swaps. And, if necessary, the state should be enlisted to guarantee the city's swaps to avoid payment of termination fees. The termination fees will become smaller as interest rates rise over time, which they are likely to do.

Bah humbug! Dear Santa is the personification of love and unselfish giving, of sharing with friends and even strangers, that jolly old elf who puts smiles on our faces and gives spirits a lift.


Rubbish, as if Jesus isn't a sufficient personification of love and selfless giving. You want to believe in elves and fairies go ahead but design your own feast day/holiday, oh I forgot, Christians stole this one from the pagans, must a reason for the pagan influences.. Frankly an army of red clad fakes accompanied by a bevvy of screaming kids doesn't put a smile on my face

Both Jesus and Santa come into my house.

How unconfortable they must feel knowing you have a foot in both camps

Who is "they"? Jesus likes Santa.

Jesus likes Santa.

I can find no evidence for that assertion

Evidence isn't a requirement for belief so you're OK there.

Kind of like man-made climate change.

exactly like man made climate change and man made correction of climate change

Mark Pryor, in his latest bid to protect his seat in light of his Obamacare vote, has rolled out a new ad.

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Apparently he's now all about God, guns and gays (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/mark-pryor-gun-control_n_3105784.html).

Hello again, Steve:

What??? You think only Republicans can be squishes?

excon

Hello again, Steve:

What??? You think only Republicans can be squishes?

excon

I can just imagine if a Republican had run this ad...

One will in a blue state. He will be for Obama care and raising the minimum wage, IF he gets enough money for an ad at all.

Republican Party struggles with fundraising in blue state Connecticut (http://www.nhregister.com/general-news/20131203/republican-party-struggles-with-fundraising-in-blue-state-Connecticut)

Obama's energy Secretary helpfully reminded us our energy boom has a transport problem.

Ability to transport U.S. oil, gas lags booming output: Energy Secretary | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/31/us-usa-energy-moniz-idUSBREA0U05020140131)

Meanwhile, the regime stonewalls Keystone for no apparent reason...

For those who keep hollering that people are running from us...seems people keep running from unions. Turns out they like their jobs and want to keep their jobs.

VW Workers in Chattanooga Reject Auto Workers Union - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304434104579382541226307368?mod=dj emalertNEWS)

712 t0 626 0ut of 1550 is a pretty close vote. See you at the next one.

I think what it is in this situation is that the people smartened up for the vote. The UAW is the largest share holder in GM. Is this really the union you would want to represent your interests when what you do directly hurts what they take ownership in?

There are plenty of unions out there and plenty of reasons to join a good union. The problem here is that VW seems to be already taking care of their people.

Not close enough. That makes how many unionized auto plants in the south now, while Detroit is still a festering boil?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/business/outsiders-not-auto-plant-battle-uaw-in-tennessee.html?_r=0


The business community reacted with further dismay when several Volkswagen officials from Germany visited the plant and hinted that it would be good to have a labor union because that would help establish a German-style works council. Such councils, comprising managers and representatives of white-collar and blue-collar workers, seek to foster collaboration within a factory as they forge policies on plant rules, work hours, vacations and other matters.

Matter of time before southerners wake up and get their own interests together. They may have lost by 80 votes this year, but no doubt there will be a second vote. And of course I took the liberty of finding my own liberal news post on this,

Disgusting! GOP Tries to Bully American Workers Seeking Union at Tennessee Volkswagen Plant | Alternet (http://www.alternet.org/labor/disgusting-gop-tries-bully-american-workers-seeking-union-tennessee-volkswagen-plant)


Usually, it’s the company management you have to worry about when you’re trying to form a union. But this time, the automaker is not opposing the vote, and in fact, the company has stated it does not want anyone interfering with its employees’ legal right to choose a union if that’s what they want. Republicans, on the other hand, are anything but neutral, and have come out as the strong-arm champions.
Corporate America likes to do business union-free, and Tennessee Republicans have warned that business flight and economic Armageddon will result if workers dare to organize. Senator Bob Corker (R-Tenn) came out with an explosive statement on Wednesday, saying that he had been “assured” that if the plant workers end up rejecting UAW representation, the company would reward the plant with a new product to build, an SUV.


Elsewhere in the world, Volkswagen plants have a German-style works council, in which members elected by employees are able to make key decisions about the facility's operations. If the Chattanooga workers decide on a union, VW would institute a works council and the UAW would bargain over wages and benefits.
Having a union makes a difference: Workers at the VW plant make roughly $19 an hour, while $26 to $28 an hour is the norm for experienced hourly workers in Detroit. Unions are also good for the overall economy; when workers have purchasing power and can buy the goods and services they need, that helps keep the economy chugging along.
Unions paved the way for the middle class in America. With their anti-union frenzy, Republicans are sending a strong signal that they don't care about the middle class, or giving ordinary people a chance to share in the prosperity they help create.


I know Repubs hate bargaining, cooperating, and most who agree with them have NEVER worked in a union shop, and they benefits anyway. Talking about YOU Speech. Taking free stuff that others worked for!!

no there won't be another vote....and if there is the gap will widen. More likey is that the emperor will have his poodles at the NLRB declare the vote invalid because that idiot Sen Corker opened his pie hole. The UAW spent a lot of resources trying to unionize this plant. Not only that ;but the emperor added his 2 cents worth of persuasion. They have yet to unionize a foreign-owned auto plant setting up shop in the South . VW may have been touting a pro-union line to appease their workers in Germany . Every other foreign-owned auto maker has threatened to shut down their plants if they became unionized. Not that it matters . The workers in the plants are the best paid workers in the area.

Meanwhile the boom in American auto manufacturing is found in Mexico . With Mexican auto manufacturing boom, new worries - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/with-mexican-auto-manufacturing-boom-new-worries/2013/07/01/10dd57e8-d7d9-11e2-b418-9dfa095e125d_story.html) good thing we bailed out GM !!!

Yes Tom you must get used to the new paradigm where traditional industries bleed slowly to death while multinationals pursue the profit motive

you are living in the past . What do you think should be done ? nationalize the industry ?

Get the board of directors to share the wealth and profits and don't be so damn greedy and states should stop subsidizing the greedy b@stards. If they can't make a profit without gouging the profit makers then let 'em go to where ever.

And show me a link where those VW/Tenn. Automakers make as much as the union UAW shops. You sound like Speech, taking the benefits of union gains, without paying union dues. And yes there will be a push in a year for another vote. Unfortunately no one even brought out the fact that workers at VW/Tenn. Would have the individual option of being union or not had the won the vote. Now they all have no choice.

I hope they do sue the elected officials who used the intimidation and scare tactics to keep them the ONLY VW factory in the world without a Work Council.

And show me a link where those VW/Tenn. Automakers make as much as the union UAW shops. If I had made such a statement I would provide a link. But I didn't . What I did say is that the non-union workers at the foreign automaker's plants are making the highest wages in the area.

I hope they do sue the elected officials who used the intimidation and scare tactics to keep them the ONLY VW factory in the world without a Work CouncilCorker is an idiot .I stick with my position that VW was appeasing their own domestic workforce by supporting unionization of the American plant. The only way there will be a new vote is if the stooges of the emperor at the NLRB invalidate the vote. Look ;the UAW threw their whole weight behind the unionization vote. I worked in a plant where similar pressures were applied to the workforce and it was hell on earth. Before I even entered the plant I was confronted by union thugs ,and the same thing happened at the end of the shift . Cars were vandalized and fights broke out . F the unions !!!!

Well where's the link to prove that?

Volkswagen Chattanooga Assembly Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Chattanooga_Assembly_Plant)


Labor costs at the Tennessee plant, including wages and benefits, have been estimated to average $27 an hour, below those of Ford, GM, Chrysler, and other foreign automakers

$27 an hour . You make it sound like it's sh+t wages . That's a base pay of $56,160 . Probably not a bad deal for a Ten. factory worker . Certainly the workers thought they were fairly paid . From the Slimes :
One reason the U.A.W. lost was that many VW workers said they already felt that they were paid well and treated well, leading them to question why they needed a union and to pay union dues. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/16/business/defeat-of-auto-union-in-tennessee-casts-its-plans-into-doubt.html?_r=0 But screw the workers right ? Why should they have a choice ?

That's wages AND BENEFITS! You need to reread my links because even if a union was voted in, the workers still had a choice to pay dues, OR NOT.

Looks like they make close to the same money according to the article you posted.

One reason the U.A.W. lost was that many VW workers said they already felt that they were paid well and treated well, leading them to question why they needed a union and to pay union dues. The VW workers average about $19.50 an hour, about the same as the newer workers in the Detroit automakers’ lower tier, but about $9 an hour less than workers in Detroit’s upper tier. The VW workers earn several dollars less an hour than employees at most other transplants.


They started a 2 teir system in Detroit and the new employees make much less then those that have been there for a longer time. So when you start spouting off about wages you need to look at what is real vs what is the media's perspective.

Tom
"Corker is an idiot"



Tom,that pretty much goes without saying. It is a case of ideology leading to one cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

I don't think the desire of VW to agree to an organized labor union has anything to to do with appeasement. It seems as though it is a necessary requirement under the National Labor Relations Act.

VW probably see itself as being better off under the Act if it does implement a German style employee involvement.

Just having a quick look at the Act and NLRB v Electromation, Inc suggests to me workers could wield more power if they were not a member of organized labor.

Obviously I am not a lawyer, but I could get a legal opinion. The only problem is that all such persons I know are pro-union. Including myself of course.



Also I would be very surprised if VW haven't done their homework in this area

Cdad, all due respect I am a union member, so my spouting is first hand not something I read. Simple fact that's disregarded is UAW is working WITH management to structure labor relations between workers, and management to the betterment of both.

The two tiered wage scale for new employees was a union concession YEARS ago. Maybe you should check your own media sources.

If Tennessee workers are happy, so am I. I support their right to decide their own future, and the direction it takes.

. It seems as though it is a necessary requirement under the National Labor Relations Act.
not true ... that is why the rank and file got a vote on it. Tennessee is a right to work state . Right-to-work law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law) That means the employees have the choice to unionize ...or not . Trust me . None of the foreign-owned auto companies that have opened plants in the South favor a unionized shop. Most have threatened to close the shop if the employees unionize. Corker is an idiot because he risked a tampering charge by the NLRB when he made the claim that VW would open another production line in the plant if the employees voted against unionizing . Even if they implied that ,he should've kept it to himself .

We agree Tom, the lawmakers could have trusted workers to decide their own fates and kept their mouth shut. I would raise a stink just to show those loudmouths to shut up and stay out of the way of business doing what they do best for themselves. They probably won't, not in court any way.

Tom, we might be talking about two different things here.

My understanding was that Employee involvement initiated by the company was illegal as it constitutes employer dominated labor. As per "Electromantion V NLRB"

I was suggesting that it might be legal for organized labor to participate in such a scheme. I guess it all depends on the definition of "organized labor".

It's a different situation. In that case ,the non-union company ,in good faith ,tried to address employee concerns by helping organize 'employee involvement 'committees to come up with suggestions and solutions to disputes between the employees and management regarding with "terms or conditions of employment." . That concept didn't sit well with the unions. They considered that an "unfair labor practice" and obviously undermining their role in labor negotiations . In reality the unions beef was that employees could organize with management assistance to resolve disputes. Unions have actively fought back against any such solutions . Electromantion was ordered to disband 5 EI committees . Organized labor's position obviously is that unless the employees are organized under a labor union ,that they should have no say in collectively negotiating their employment terms. It doesn't surprise me at all that unions would take such a position. Their game is power 1st above employee rights. EI's could possibly lead to a content work force without union involvement . That can't be allowed to happen.

Management organized teams were nothing but extensions of management. Workers wanted who they wanted on the team, and not just a company parrot. Its not a power grab so much as a voice with teeth. That's why they were outlawed back in the day. In theory Work councils are but a renaming of unions, the process and the procedures to air and resolve work related conflicts is very similar in both cases, and cooperation is the goal.

Makes no sense to have a company weighed body representing the workers interests and concerns.

outlawed ? EI programs are a regularly employed by many businesses .

Tom, I think they call those HR departments.

Wonder whose interest the EI/HR looks out for? Is that a conflict of interest? That's why workers organized in the first place, and why they will again. Took years before, and probably will be a lengthy struggle again. Blue collar workers, are the backbone of this nation and a shrinking middle class is part of the economic problem.

Human Resources may help organize them but they are management and the workforce coming to agreements on terms of employment . http://smallbusiness.chron.com/examples-employee-involvement-program s-10647.html http://www.dol.gov/_sec/media/reports/dunlop/section2.htm Employee participation Developing people business studies and business english | The Times 100 (http://businesscasestudies.co.uk/business-theory/people/employee-participation.html#axzz2tUpAY7VU)

I realize that's the theory Tom, but in practical application it's an individual employee making his case against a management appointed team even when the HR department is outsourced to private entity. They are still under control/influence of the company interest and the employee is left to his own device.

Don't get me wrong some companies are more fair than others, but few workplace rules are ever changed to accommodate a group of employees even when some individuals may be. And let's be very clear about the type of work being done as office environments and duties are very different from factory floors. Think gender as a major difference, in both culture and job description.

We have more than enough government agencies to regulate the workplace and lotd of women work on factory floors. Shame the White House doesn't pay women equally like factories do.

Now Obama is lying about the drought in the Central California Valley, which I've posted on numerous times (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/central-california-valley-our-federal-dust-bowl-639976.html). The emperor says it's climate change, he LIES.


California's Drought Isn't Due To Global Warming, But Politics - Investors.com (http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/021414-690216-failure-to-use-water-infrastructure-is-destroying-farms.htm?ref=SeeAlso)

Water Wars: President Obama visited California's drought-hit Central Valley Friday, offering handouts and blaming global warming. But the state's water shortage is due to the left's refusal to deal with the state's water needs.


Following legislative action last month by Speaker John Boehner and California's Central Valley Representatives David Valadao, Devin Nunes and Kevin McCarthy, whose Sacramento-San Joaquin Valley Emergency Water Delivery Act was designed to resolve the long-standing problem of environmental water cutbacks that have devastated America's richest farmland, Obama is grandstanding in California, too.


His aim, however, is not a long-term solution for California's now-constant water shortages that have hit its $45 billion agricultural industry, but to preach about global warming. Instead of blaming the man-made political causes of California's worst water shortage, he's come with $2 billion in "relief" that's nothing but a tired effort to divert attention from fellow Democrats' dereliction of duty in using the state's water infrastructure.


The one thing that will mitigate droughts in California — a permanent feature of the state — is to restore the water flow from California's water-heavy north to farmers in the central and south. That's just what House Bill 3964, which passed by a 229-191 vote last week, does.


But Obama's plan is not to get that worthy bill through the Senate (where Democrats are holding it up) but to shovel pork to environmental activists and their victims, insultingly offering out-of-work farmers a "summer meal plan" in his package.


"We are not interested in welfare; we want water," Nunes told IBD this week. He and his fellow legislator Valadao are both farmers who represent the worst-hit regions of the Central Valley in Congress and can only look at the president's approach with disbelief.


"He's not addressing the situation," Valadao told us.


"They want to blame the drought for the lack of water, but they wasted water for the past five years," said Nunes.


The two explain that California's system of aqueducts and storage tanks was designed long ago to take advantage of rain and mountain runoff from wet years and store it for use in dry years. But it's now inactive — by design. "California's forefathers built a system (of aqueducts and storage facilities) designed to withstand five years of drought," said Nunes.


"We have infrastructure dating from the 1960s for transporting water, but by the 1990s the policies had changed," said Valadao.


Environmental special interests managed to dismantle the system by diverting water meant for farms to pet projects, such as saving delta smelt, a baitfish. That move forced the flushing of 3 million acre-feet of water originally slated for the Central Valley into the ocean

This is bullsh*t, and Dems only want to give us more of it. Instead of a flourishing agriculture industry in California they'd rather YOU pay more for your avocados and oranges, or just import them from Mexico or God knows where or how they were grown - while telling us to eat more fruits and vegetables. All the while padding the pockets of their environmental cronies. Enough already.

Oh, and did you notice that while president climate change was lying about the unnecessary man-made drought in the Central California Valley that he golfed at some pretty exclusive water-guzzling golf courses (http://swampland.time.com/2014/02/17/obama-golfs-water-guzzling-desert-courses-amid-the-drought/) while hanging with his rich buddies? Nah, you didn't.

we have that nonsense all the time here in the summer . Water restrictions while water from our county is piped into the rich Democrat counties in Northern NJ for their golf courses.

for their golf courses.Democrat-only golf courses? Can you back that up?

don't have to because I never claimed they are Democrat only golf courses . I said rich Democrat counties in Northern NJ .

I said rich Democrat counties in Northern NJ"for their golf courses."

yes for the county golf courses ....any other nitpicking ?

Do republicans play at those golf courses?

I'm sure they pay green fees and play too. any other irrelevent points ?

So it's not a partisan thing then, everyone benefits.
If a republican were at the helm would the water stop being pumped to the golf courses?

Your question is irrelevant. Republicans aren't running around the country whining about the rich while hanging out with them. Republicans aren't running around the country pretending they care about a drought while playing golf on courses that suck up 17% of the area's water. If they were, you can feel free to call them hypocrites, too.

Your question is irrelevant.No it isn't, you are simply troubled what the answer would show so you skirt the issue entirely. I'm not talking about sweeping generalities of each party, I'm discussing this specific issue; can you do that too?

No it isn't, you are simply troubled what the answer would show so you skirt the issue entirely.

Wrong, it's irrelevant to the point, and since it's my point I know what the point is.


I'm not talking about sweeping generalities of each party, I'm discussing this specific issue; can you do that too?

Dude, you're the only one skirting the issue. tom already answered your distraction, "I'm sure they pay green fees and play too. any other irrelevent points ?" No further comment on that is necessary, it's irreleveant if Republicans play golf there because they aren't the ones preaching about droughts and climate change while causing droughts and running off to play golf in a desert that uses 17% of their supply to water the golf courses, but I believe I said that already. Your issue is answered, can you deal with the issue we're discussing or not?

Oh, and did you notice that while president climate change was lying about the unnecessary man-made drought in the Central California Valley that he golfed at some pretty exclusive water-guzzling golf courses (http://swampland.time.com/2014/02/17/obama-golfs-water-guzzling-desert-courses-amid-the-drought/) while hanging with his rich buddies? Nah, you didn't.


There is no point to this article.

There are one hundred and twenty something golf courses in the area that would use just as much water as the two exclusive courses.

Would it be satisfactory if he played on one of the larger courses in the area that probably uses more water?

The article says that it hasn't provided any water figures for any golf course in the area.

the point tutty is to demonstrate how biased speech is and how desperate he is to make a point. He has forgotten to be fair and realise that his republican buddies both play golf and also waste water drenching their lawns, so golf now becomes the dog whistle for republican waste

Wrong, it's irrelevant to the point, and since it's my pointActually I was discussing tom's point. Not sure how you got involved other than to try and change the subject.

the point tutty is to demonstrate how biased speech is and how desperate he is to make a point. He has forgotten to be fair and realise that his republican buddies both play golf and also waste water drenching their lawns, so golf now becomes the dog whistle for republican waste

I believe I acknowledged that point, which is still just as irrelevant.

If it makes you happy I don't care where Obama plays golf either, but I DO care that he's lying through his teeth about the drought in the Central California Valley and if it were me making such a big deal about it, I'd be careful about the optics of playing at a water guzzling desert course right after making the speech. Apparently that disconnect doesn't bother the true believers, which speaks volumes about their environmental "concerns."

The article says that it hasn't provided any water figures for any golf course in the area.When you ask for such facts they either attack you or change the subject.

Actually I was discussing tom's point. Not sure how you got involved other than to try and change the subject.

tom was discussing my point, you ventured into irrelevance. Do you like it there?

I'd be careful about the optics of playing at a water guzzling desert course right after making the speech.Totally irrelevant.

Only NK could attempt to make the argument that the explanation of my point is irrelevant to my point, lol!

My god, what a child, is this what most republicans are like?

Yes, most of us are intelligent people who know astrology is not scientific.

As an intelligent person I abandoned astrology long ago, but as the statistics imply a third of you are not intelligent enough to understand astrology is not scientific. This supports your contention but doesn't explain why astrology should be considered scientific on any level unless it is somehow associated with astronomy. I have no doubt astrology might have given birth to astronomy in the dark ages before science rose above alchemy and wizardry but there is no excuse this side of the enlightenment for astrology to be considered science.

I expect this places a third of Republicans and half of democrats as unenlightened which says that at least three quarters of americans are unenlightened at least on the subject of science

Obama to Propose Shift in Wildfire Funding (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/us/obama-to-propose-shift-in-wildfire-funding.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1)

Yes, I'm quite certain wildfire budgets have been more than strained, but this is typical of political 'solutions.' Embrace misguided environmental policy (http://perc.org/articles/trouble-forest) that creates huge problems (and ignored sound science) then have to spend billions more managing the problem you created. Or in the case of the California drought you created, double down and blame it on climate change.

Climate Prediction Center - Expert Assessments: United States Seasonal Drought Outlook Summary (http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/sdo_summary.html)

We need a long term and short term fix for a regional problem whether you believe in climate change or not. Why would raising taxes on industries using resources that contribute to drought and fire conditions not be a viable option in funding better preventative measures?

Climate Prediction Center - Expert Assessments: United States Seasonal Drought Outlook Summary (http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/sdo_summary.html)

We need a long term and short term fix for a regional problem whether you believe in climate change or not. Why would raising taxes on industries using resources that contribute to drought and fire conditions not be a viable option in funding better preventative measures?

Obviously you missed the entire point of the post.

Just trying to broaden the perspective a bit. Yours is too narrow and partisan. Even your link points out that policies and procedures and the rules have been inadequate since the 50s.

Showing me more climate 'predictions' doesn't broaden anyone's perspective. Of course there will be drought in California when you dismantle their irrigation system and dump all the water into the ocean to save bait.

The link I gave you is a climate prediction based on weather data, both short and long term prevailing conditions, updated weekly.

And I repeat, of course you're going to have more drought when you strip them of their water supply (http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/dead-and-dying-californias-central-valley-dust-bowl/).

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I can only assume this asinine tweet by our ambassador to the UN is an aversion to reality.

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What the hell does that even mean in relation to a guy getting beheaded on video as a warning to the infidels by Muslim extremist KSM - who still has not been held accountable? Are we supposed to still believe that if we just talk to the terrorists everything will be Kum-ba-yah groovy? What?

I wonder if the Slimes is going to take her to account for that inane comment . What exactly did Pearl need to be accountable for .......being Jewish ? This idiot is the author of the 'Responsibility to Protect ' Doctrine that the emperor adopted and then abandoned . I guess she doesn't mean Jewish American journalists need to be protected .They obviously need to be held accountable.

Actually this is a diversion from reality, aka flat-out lie, which is what the regime and their media minions have come to now in regards to Obamacare, just lie.

According to Dingy Harry Reid, in regard to the Obamacare horror stories you've heard "all of them are untrue."


Not a tiny handful. Not even an imagined majority. No, every last person who says they've been harmed by Obamacare is lying, according to the Majority Leader of the United States Senate:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSJOLivL-NU#t=32

Hey moron, the Kochs had nothing to do with f***ing up my health insurance, you did. And don't stand there on the Senate floor and call me a liar.

Flashback: October 2008, Sarah Palin warned (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2008/10/22/russia_might_invade_ukraine_if_obama_wins_palin_wa rns) Russia might invade Ukraine and was roundly mocked.


Palin helpfully offered four scenarios for such a crisis, one of which was this strange one:
After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine next.


Flashback: Obama chastises Romney for saying Russia was our biggest geopolitical threat.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2a44F5TgM



February 2014, Russia invades Ukraine (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/feb/28/russia-invades-crimea-sends-armored-personnel-carr/).

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And while Biden and Obama are running in circles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Z4rGQi2cQ), Dems continue to attack Republicans over their own disaster, call Americans that were screwed by Obamacare liars, and play class warfare (http://washingtonexaminer.com/jay-carney-gop-policies-protected-opportunity-for-the-few/article/2544869?custom_click=rss).

Good thing adults are running the show in DC.

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Obama's response to Putin...

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Hello again, Steve:

In the REAL world, where most of us live, there's nothing short of nuclear war, that we can do, to STOP him. AND, there are more reasons NOT to, anyway.

Here's just a few. First off, the Ukraine is in the Russian sphere of influence. And, like it or not, we have NO strategic interest in the Ukraine, other than our feel good idea about the people rising up against communism.. That alone is enough reason enough to STAY out.

But, tell me, kind Sir. Just what would YOU propose? Bomb 'em?

excon

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Tell them to fix the damn site.

Hello again, Steve:

In the REAL world, where most of us live, there's nothing short of nuclear war, that we can do, to STOP him. AND, there are more reasons NOT to, anyway.

Here's just a few. First off, the Ukraine is in the Russian sphere of influence. And, like it or not, we have NO strategic interest in the Ukraine, other than our feel good idea about the people rising up against communism.. That alone is enough reason enough to STAY out.

But, tell me, kind Sir. Just what would YOU propose? Bomb 'em?

excon

Send them a strongly worded letter?

Ex ,I agree .That is why the emperor should shut his yap about "consequences " . As far as I'm concerned ,since the Reagan-Gorbachev agreement, there have been 20 years of bad policy regarding the Russians going back to our not helping Yeltsin ;our carving out Kosovo out of Serbia (including the air bombing of every bridge over the Danube River ) . Not appreciating Russia's assistance in Afghanistan (even today ,the over flight of Russia is our primary means of resupply ),not recognizing our common shared interest in the fight against jihadistan (which may have prevented the Boston Marathon bombing )..... The emperor and Evita's failed 'reset ' policy .... NATOs and the EUs attempt to expand their sphere right up to Russia's doorstep . You are also right about raising people's expectations and then not following through .We did it in Iran ,we did it in Georgia ,and now there is a bipartisan effort to do it in Ukraine. Yes we also encouraged the Eastern block freedom fighters in the 1980s too .But we did not draw lines in the sand . A new Iron curtain is being drawn ,and unfortunately ,it's an iron curtain we and the EU is creating . We are as mistaken about the opposition as we were to the opposition to the Mubarak rule in Egypt ,and the opposition in Syria. Yes there are some 'democratic' groups ,but we are deluding ourselves if we think they are monolithic. There is one party in particular ;the Svboda party that is neo-Nazi .They are the ones that stormed the Parliament . There is one leader of the opposition that is worth considering ....Vitali Klitschko . But when Merkel ,speaking for the EU ,suggested their preference of him as the future leader of Ukraine, State Dept official Victoria Nuland was caught on tape saying 'F ..the EU ' .Another diplomatic success for the emperor . What exactly do we plan on doing now that the Russians are doing what they have to do..... secure their Black Sea Fleet based in the Crimea ? Boycott the G-8 meetings scheduled to be held in Sochi ? Will that be the consequences the emperor talks about ? That will just about put the final thread in the new Iron Curtain...driving the Russians eastward into even greater cooperation with China.

Well said, tom

45740 sub-par

Would love to have seen whatever that was, let's see if this one works. CNN in coming to Dear Leader's rescue effectively calls Obama a wimp.

This poster and ones similar to it have been seen recently is Santa Monica. Obama Subpar Poster - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxzrtcm69s8)

Subpar? Naaah. From Time's Chief Foreign Affairs correspondent Michael Crowley on capturing the moment.

Hello again, Steve:

When did you start hating America?

excon

Hello again,

I dunno WHY you support this dictator over your president, even though he's black, and even though he's a Democrat.. It used to be that at times like these, we ALL support the president... In the words of that great statesman, John McCain, "We're ALL Georgians now".

Do you WANT him to do this again???

It might be easier to support him if not for the "I'll have more flexibility after the election, Vlad" and a total weak response before running off to raise campaign cash and bash social conservatives. But calling me an America hater is beyond the pale, I'm not the one who questioned having any strategic interest in Ukraine while blowing off Putin's "uncontested arrival." Seems you're the one giving the dictator a pass, not me.

Today Sec State Kerry said that the emperor hopes that Putin will 'do the right thing ' because he risks losing that 'Olympics glow" . He told NBC that Russia is 'inviting opprobrium'. If you don't feel like looking it up ;it means 'condemnation' ,vilification ,denunciation ...in non-diplomat speak.

In other words, we're sending a strongly worded letter, playing marbles while Putin is playing chess (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/03/02/rep_rogers_putin_is_playing_chess_were_playing_mar bles.html), though "all options are on the table."

Almost forgot this piece of brilliance from Howard Fineman of Huffpo:

Hello again, wrongwingers:

I hear the usual gum flapping from your side, but NO ideas about what to do... Yawwwwn.

excon

At least we aren't excusing the continued incompetence and abuse of power.

Hello again, Steve:
At least we aren't excusing the continued incompetence and abuse of power.

If you mean incompetence on Obama's part, that means you want him to DO something else. What, might that BE? Oh, I understand you have NO ideas - just more gum flapping.

And about that "abuse of power".... We have protection from that by congress.. And, it's YOUR GUY in charge. But, he ain't doing ANYTHING. That you're LETTING Obama "get away" with abuse of power, tells me ALL I need to know.

Why don't you get the same messages from their INACTION as I do?

Over to you, winger.

excon

That you continue to ignore all of the bills the House has put forth or has in the works that will be DOA on Dingy "Americans are a bunch liars" Reid's desk tells me you have no interest in DOING anything and are (oddly) perfectly happy with such abuses you would have condemned in the previous administration I believe your side referred to as Dumbya.

House GOP set to target Obama admin on regulations, executive power | Fox News

(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/22/gop-lawmakers-push-to-rein-in-obama-administration-regulations/)House passes bills to rein in IRS (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/314801-house-hits-irs-with-stop-government-abuse-votes)

Has the emperor recalled the US Ambassador as Canada has done ? Nope . Did he attend his national security meeting this week ?Nope . Has he called for a NATO meeting so they can coordinate a unified response ? Nope.
Has he made it clear that he cannot take a "flexible " position on arms control as long as there are Russian troops in Ukraine ? Nope . Those are just some of the things he could do immediately without threatening the Russians with a nuclear strike.

Hello again, Steve:


That you continue to ignore all of the bills the House has put forth or has in the works that will be DOA on Dingy "Americans are a bunch liars" Reid's desk tells me you have no interest in DOING anythingThat you IGNORE the bills passed by the Senate and are DOA in the Republican lead House, tells me that you're a one way puppy.. That you don't mention it takes REPUBLICANS to pass bills in the Senate, tells me that you live in an alternate world than I do.

But, we KNEW that.

excon

And what's he doing today instead ? Putting the squeeze on Bibi .

even the Compost thinks his foreign policy is not based in reality .
President Obama’s foreign policy is based on fantasy - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/president-obamas-foreign-policy-is-based-on-fantasy/2014/03/02/c7854436-a238-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html)


as long as some leaders play by what Mr. Kerry dismisses as 19th-century rules, the United States can't pretend that the only game is in another arena altogether. Military strength, trustworthiness as an ally, staying power in difficult corners of the world such as Afghanistan — these still matter, much as we might wish they did not. While the United States has been retrenching, the tide of democracy in the world, which once seemed inexorable, has been receding. In the long run, that's harmful to U.S. national security, too. As Mr. Putin ponders whether to advance further — into eastern Ukraine, say — he will measure the seriousness of U.S. and allied actions, not their statements. China, pondering its next steps in the East China Sea will do the same. Sadly, that's the nature of the century we're living in.

Hello again, Steve:

That you IGNORE the bills passed by the Senate and are DOA in the Republican lead House, tells me that you're a one way puppy.. That you don't mention it takes REPUBLICANS to pass bills in the Senate, tells me that you live in an alternate world than I do.

But, we KNEW that.

excon

They can't vote if he doesn't bring them to the floor, which he won't do. He's too busy calling Americans liars and refusing - again - to pass a budget.

Hello again, Steve:

I know you wanna IGNORE the bills passed by the senate WITH Republican support, that DIE in the House. But, that's why I'm here.

excon

Okie dokie then. Meanwhile, Syrians disappointed in Obama's tough talk followed by a cave to the Russians, are telling Ukrainians not to get their hopes up (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mikegiglio/disappointed-syrians-warn-ukrainians-off-seeking-us-help) for anything useful from the U.S.

Don't know why anyone is surprised, he promised to "lead from behind." That was one promise he kept.

And in a moment of international crisis such as this what would this administration's response naturally be? That's right, bash Bush.

they'd much rather give Putin a cartoonish red reset button.

You know that mislabeled reset button? Turns out it was also stolen from a hotel (http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/372373/infamous-reset-button-stolen-hotel-pool-or-jacuzzi-jim-geraghty), not only giving them a stolen mislabeled "gift" to "reset relations" but leaving the hotel without an emergency stop button, which is not cool.

The Amateur: Edward Klein: 9781621570905: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1621570908)

Hello again, tom:

What Montesquieu said very well MIGHT be true. But, in the United States of America, OUR House is controlled by Republicans, and the Democrats NEED Republicans to pass any legislation in the Senate. So, we're a LONG, LONG way from what I think, YOU think is going on.

excon

So you are saying that the opposition party must role over and play dead ;essentially fulfilling the Montesquieu quote. Believe me ....if I have any critique of Speaker Bonehead ,it's that he has caved too often to the will of the emperor . Has spending been cut or even reduced ? No . There is no effective debt limit or restrictions on spending at all . And yet the emperor has the onions to tell the country we have been in austerity and that he wants a $4 trillion budget this year. Spare me the bs that the emperor hasn't gotten his way. He got his stimulus spending .He got his national government managed health care plan passed . His social agenda is on the march with the assistance of the compliant 3rd branch of government . America is in retreat around the world ,as he desired . What he doesn't get from the legislative branch he unconstitutionally usurps . Where is the opposition you speak of ?
My link to the book was specifically about foreign policy...his diplomatic and foreign policy blunders ,and his bluster that is globally recognized as phony .

Yup.

The latest photo from the WH on the situation in the Ukraine.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh6F40NCcAAPyU7.jpg

Of course you have a point, I assume. Or some facts to go with your pictures. Maybe not huh?

Here is an aversion to reality you can't blame on the dems,

How big a mess is Ryan's report on poverty? Scholars say: Very big. - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-ryans-report-20140304,0,4142653.story#axzz2v8vuTY5F)


Perhaps the most egregious case is Ryan's misuse of a 2013 paper from Columbia University (http://www.latimes.com/topic/education/colleges-universities/columbia-university-OREDU000097.topic)'s Population Research Center. Ryan claimed the study found that poverty fell from 22% in 1969 to 16% in 2012, based on a Census Bureau statistic known as the Supplemental Poverty Measure. That's true as far as it goes, but it goes suspiciously not far enough. As Jane Waldfogel, one of the Columbia researchers, observes, the study actually began its measurement with 1967, when the poverty rate was 26%. In other words, Ryan's paper arbitrarily ignores two years of measurement, thereby cutting the size of the poverty decline by a third.


Sloppy research, or intentionally misleading? BOTH? Probably. Sorry no pictures.

Of course you have a point, I assume. Or some facts to go with your pictures. Maybe not huh?I'm impressed that he actually showed up

Of course you have a point, I assume. Or some facts to go with your pictures. Maybe not huh?

Did you look closely?

Here is an aversion to reality you can't blame on the dems,

How big a mess is Ryan's report on poverty? Scholars say: Very big. - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-ryans-report-20140304,0,4142653.story#axzz2v8vuTY5F)



Sloppy research, or intentionally misleading? BOTH? Probably. Sorry no pictures.


And no one in government has ever given us misleading numbers, eh? How many jobs "saved or created?" How many Obamacare enrollees? How many economic reports have been downgraded of late?

Leave it to libs to protest a generous donation to a hospital, because well, evil Kochs. (http://freebeacon.com/blog/koch-brother-donates-money-to-hospital-liberals-protest-not-a-parody/)


The Koch brothers are at it again. Their right-wing political Panzer Division descended on a New York City hospital over the weekend to protest (!) the addition of a new ambulatory care center. What the hell, Koch bros? Why not (http://freebeacon.com/obama-supporters-question-for-romney-why-not-pro-life/) pro-America (http://freebeacon.com/blog/reid-rage/)?


Sorry. That’s not quite right. In fact, it was the New York State Nurses’ Association, the NAACP New York State Conference, and SEIU Local 1199, among others, who marched (https://www.facebook.com/events/613921648687885/) on the soon-to-be-built David H. Koch Center at New York-Presbyterian Hospital, which was funded in part by a $100 million donation from the man one prominent liberal recently predicted (http://freebeacon.com/blog/breaking-liberal-billionaire-believes-in-democracy/) would go down in history as a “famously evil person.”


The donation was the largest in the hospital’s history (http://nyp.org/news/hospital/David-Koch-Donation-2013.html), and will presumably create a fair number of new nursing jobs. So why are the usual suspects up in arms? Well, the agitators were apparently agitated because this particular hospital didn’t need all the money. Oh yeah, and because (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152313866523410&set=gm.614302195316497&type=1) it was International Women’s Day, and the Kochs are the primary funders of the “war on women’s reproductive rights … and many other issues of concern to American women.” They’re also behind “the effort to defeat and repeal healthcare to all Americans,” whatever that means.


Ben Kallos, the local New York City Council representative, was on hand ...

Just to be clear: Kallos is a sitting city council member who attended a protest against the addition of a new hospital care center in the neighborhood he represents because … Koch brothers!

What the hell???

crickets chirping. Anyone who has been treated at most of the NYC hospitals have been treated in a hospital that Koch Bros have donated subtantially to. In his lifetime,David Koch has pledged or contributed more than $1 billion to cancer research, medical centers, and educational institutions.His brother Charles has been equally generous.

So he is generous? He is also a liar with his flooding of commercials about horror stories that have been debunked about people losing insurance policies, and his energy companies are the worse polluters in many states. He pays his fines.

He ain't perfect, but he's rich. There is good and bad in all humans. So what?

Nice little addition by the author:

(Full disclosure: I am contractually obligated to incorporate an anti-Clinton (http://freebeacon.com/say-my-name/) angle in everything I write,What news agency puts those stipulations on their reporters/writers?

Hello again, tom:

crickets chirping.The Koch bros are very generous people... They even contribute to PBS.. Whoda thunk that? Nonetheless, that doesn't mean they can BUY elections.

No crickets here.

excon

Debunked horror stories about people losing their insurance over Obamacare? Not even Obama believes those were anything but true.

That's why the emporer issued decrees delaying many parts and issueing exemptions to practially anyone who contributed enough to democrat causes..