Yeah just let Russia keep propping up Assad and run refugees into Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey, and bolstering Hezbollah, because you are afraid of the Jihadist faction. That's a brilliant plan, bury your head in the sand and keep your A$$ exposed.

I am all for letting Syria fight its civil war, but its been spilling out all over the region already.

Isn't that what this does, let Russia keep propping up Assad? And just who is going to secure those cw scattered all over Syria in the midst of an ongoing civil war?

The process has started to iron out the details of the CW's that Assad has control over. Let the process work. What you want expect results?

The process has started to iron out the details of the CW's that Assad has control over. Let the process work. What you want expect results?

Oh I'm just watching the show. Watching all these libs follow president flub and expecting a good result from a KGB guy and a murderous, terrorist dictator and trusting the UN to git 'r done.

So the rebels and al Qaeda types are fighting each other, Putin says he can't be sure Syria will comply, Syria is still moving CW around and Assad is inviting the US to pick up the tab for disposal. So far so good.

Hello again, Steve:

So far so good.I'm the one who wanted to drop bombs on them. If I recall, because Obama did too, you DIDN'T.

So, you got your wish. We didn't drop bombs. What are you sniveling about?

Excon

Drop bombs to help Al Qaeda take over ? Now there's a plan !

What bombs? I don't see no bombs. Do you see any bombs?

Hello again, tom:

drop bombs to help Al Qaeda take over ? Now there's a plan !I know you don't agree with bombing.. So, why are you complaining? You and Obama AGREE. We DIDN'T drop bombs.

Excon

Hello again, tom:
I know you don't agree with bombing.. So, why are you complaining? You and Obama AGREE. We DIDN'T drop bombs.

excon

YET... but he's chomping at the bit to do it... because he needs to do something like drop bombs and kill people to feel more manly after Putin made him look like a girl.

Hello again, tom:
I know you don't agree with bombing.. So, why are you complaining? You and Obama AGREE. We DIDN'T drop bombs.

excon
Nope he don't get a pass .
I don't agree with him supporting Al Qaeda and jihadists like he is doing in Syria ,and like he did in Egypt and Libya.

Hello again, tom, skitzo dude:

So, let's find the Al Qaeda guys and BOMB the sh!t out of 'em TOO right ALONG with Assad. Or not.. What are you saying?

excon

My position has been that we have no business intervening in the conflict .

Hello again, tom:
My position has been that we have no business intervening in the conflict

So the rebels and al Qaeda types are fighting each other, Putin says he can't be sure Syria will comply, Syria is still moving CW around and Assad is inviting the US to pick up the tab for disposal. So you DON'T share Steve's concern about who's killing who over there?

Or, you DO share his concern, because once we're involved over there, we're INVOLVED OVER THERE.

I really can't tell.

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
I'm the one who wanted to drop bombs on them. If I recall, because Obama did too, you DIDN'T.

So, you got your wish. We didn't drop bombs. What are ya sniveling about??

excon

If you'd recall correctly I said Assad should be turned into pink mist, but I see no reason to have given Obama a green light for... for what exactly? What was his plan? Hmm?

for what exactly? What was his plan? Hmm? an unbelievably small plan

an unbelievably small plan

That's it, that's what it was.

an unbelievably small plan

Made by a man with an equally small intellect.

Hello again,
an unbelievably small planIt was BIG enough to work. And, he didn't even have to DO it. Just PROPOSING this unbelievably small plan, scared BOTH the Ruskies and the Syrians. That's why they caved.

Excon

Hello again, It was BIG enough to work. And, he didn't even have to DO it. Just PROPOSING this unbelievably small plan, scared BOTH the Ruskies and the Syrians. That's why they caved.

excon

Except it wasn't his plan... it was a brain fart John Kerry had that people heard they discounted until Putin recovered the fumble and ran into the end zone...

Hello again, smoothy:

it was a brain fart John Kerry had that people heard they discounted until Putin recovered the fumble and ran into the end zone... Let me see if I understand... Obama was going to put together an unbelievably small attack because the Syrians used Chemical weapons. UPON being threatened with this unbelievably small attack, Syria AGREES to give up its chemical weapons.

Of course, not understanding the language of diplomacy, I can understand your confusing diplomacy with a brain fart.

Nonetheless, OBAMA won, and it really sticks in your right wing craw, doesn't it?

Excon

Hello again, smoothy:
Lemme see if I understand... Obama was gonna put together an unbelievably small attack because the Syrians used Chemical weapons.

UPON being threatened with this unbelievably small attack, Syria AGREES to give up its chemical weapons. Of course, not understanding the language of diplomacy, I can understand your confusing diplomacy with a brain fart.

Nonetheless, OBAMA won, and it really sticks in your right wing craw, doesn't it??

excon

Nobody was even talking about Syria handing over weapons until Kerry made a snarky remark... the administration immediately discounted it (and they did this on video) It wasn't until Putin grabbed it and ran with it did they even pretend they wanted to claim it at all.

Hello again, smoothy:

Look... Only in right wing world, is a victory for Obama AND the COUNTRY, a win for the murdering commie SOB.. Oy vey!

excon

What does a photo of Dresden have to do with Obama... We'd all be speaking German if he was president back then.

Hello again, smoothy:
Lemme see if I understand... Obama was gonna put together an unbelievably small attack because the Syrians used Chemical weapons. UPON being threatened with this unbelievably small attack, Syria AGREES to give up its chemical weapons.

Of course, not understanding the language of diplomacy, I can understand your confusing diplomacy with a brain fart.

Nonetheless, OBAMA won, and it really sticks in your right wing craw, doesn't it??

excon

Like I said, Putin says he can't guarantee they'll comply, Syria is still moving CW around and inviting us to pay for the alleged disposal. Not to mention Russia is trying to show it wasn't Assad that used them. Hard to declare victory before the goal is reached. "Mission accomplished" remember?

What does a photo of Dresden have to do with Obama.........We'd all be speaking German if he was president back then.

It's Grozny

Hello again, smoothy:

What does a photo of Dresden It's Chechnya. It's what your adorable murdering, commie, SOB, KGB Colonel did.

Supporting THAT guy over our president is TRAITOROUS.

Excon

I don't know about Smoothy but my distrust of Putin is clear, and that's why I'm holding back on sharing in your victory celebration.

Hello again,

Let's be clear... That we're NOT dropping bombs on them IS a victory. That they're going to give up their WMD'S IS a victory. Whether it'll work out that way, is yet to be determined.

But, make NO MISTAKE... What WAS accomplished so far is a TREMENDOUS victory. That our boots will NEVER be on the ground in Syria IS a victory... That the Syrian people will never be gassed again IS a victory.

That the right can't see it, is a shame.

excon

Hello again,

Let's be clear... That we're NOT dropping bombs on them IS a victory. That they're going to give up their WMD'S IS a victory. Whether it'll work out that way, is yet to be determined.

But, make NO MISTAKE... What WAS accomplished so far is a TREMENDOUS victory. That our boots will NEVER be on the ground in Syria IS a victory... That the Syrian people will never be gassed again IS a victory.

That the right can't see it, is a shame.

excon

If that's the case then woo hoo! But knowing the players involved your celebration is premature.

Hello again, smoothy:
It's Chechnya. It's what your adorable murdering, commie, SOB, KGB Colonel did.

Supporting THAT guy over our president is TRAITOROUS.

excon

I don't like or trust either one of them further than I can throw them.

Ex you are raving, this is some sort of xenophobic rant. Gunboat diplomacy is never victory. Yes Putin had a victory for once he didn't resort to violence

Hello again, clete:

Ex you are raving,You are not worth my time.. Don't answer my threads anymore. Don't address me. If you do, I'll come down HARD on you again.

Excon

Hello again, clete:
You are not worth my time.. Don't answer my threads anymore. Don't address me. If you do, I'll come down HARD on you again.

excon

Who do you think you are Ex you must loose this God complex. I called you out on your ridiculous post the other day and now you have your knickers in a knot, go home child and don't come back until you grow up, By the way this happens to be my thread so pull you head in goose!

I called you out on your rediculous post the other day
Hello a$$hole, clete:

You didn't call me out on on my post... We do that here every day... You INSULTED me.. We DON'T do that... FUK you, and FUK your thread.

excon

These are our allies in the conflict
Rebel-on-Rebel Violence Seizes Syria - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324807704579082924138453120.html?m od=WSJ__MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth)

Hello a$$hole, clete:

You didn't call me out on on my post... We do that here every day... You INSULTED me.. We DON'T do that... FUK you, and FUK your thread.

excon

Ex if you continue in this vein I will have to report you

Hello again, clete:

ex if you continue in this vein I will have to report youI can't believe you already didn't SNITCH on me, you piece of sh*t.

Excon

Hello again, a$$hole:

You know, a simple apology would put me back on track. But, I think you're too stupid to take the simple course... Look.. I like being a nice guy... And, I LIKE fighting a$$holes like you.

Choose your poison.

excon

I can't be bothered talking to small minded people Ex let me know when you get out of the gutter

Hello again, clete:

What makes ME a better person than you, is that when I've offended someone, I apologize.. A$$holes like you, don't.

FUK YOU! And then FUK you some more, you piece of sh*t.

excon

Hello again,

Looks like the pres has a victory in Iran, too (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/middleeast/iran-said-to-seek-a-nuclear-accord-to-end-sanctions.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130920). I'm sure you wingers will call it a failure...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

Ex I don't apologise for telling the truth, If you are offended by the truth then you need to reflect on it

Hello again,

Looks like the pres has a victory in Iran, too (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/middleeast/iran-said-to-seek-a-nuclear-accord-to-end-sanctions.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130920). I'm sure you wingers will call it a failure...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

Actually the victory is the Iranian President who didn't use belligerent talk

Hello again,

Looks like the pres has a victory in Iran, too (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/middleeast/iran-said-to-seek-a-nuclear-accord-to-end-sanctions.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130920). I'm sure you wingers will call it a failure...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

I know you are not naïve . All this boils down to is a replay of the NORK playbook.

Hello again, clete:

Ex I don't apologise for telling the truth, If you are offended by the truth then you need to reflect on itI know you don't understand the distinction between talking about my opinions, and talking about ME. Maybe that's cause you got no upbringing... I've NEVER talked about you. I talk about your opinions.. But, I don't talk about YOU...

You talk about ME, and you tell me how dumb you think I am. I looked for the particular post where you said it, and I can't find it. I'm sure you'll deny it.. That's another character flaw.

So, I'm DONE with you, you prick!

Excon

Actually the victory is the Iranian President who didn't use belligerant talk

They aren't talking nice because they are nice, they have to be nice because those sanction are kicking their arses.


I know you are not naïve . All this boils down to is a replay of the NORK playbook.

Doesn't matter the games Iran, or the NORKS play does it? They still have to be dealt with one way or another. So does every other crazy SOB in the world. Naïve has nothing to do with it.

Its reality.

Tal you've become a neo-con !

victory!! The depiction of the emperor's Syrian chemical weapons “Red Line” policy as victory looked less than glowing in the light of -Assad's demands.


President Bashar al-Assad said on Wednesday it would cost about $1 billion to get rid of Syria's chemical weapons under a plan agreed to by Russia and the United States last week.

In an interview on the Fox News television channel, Assad said his government would dispose of its chemical weapons arsenal but insisted that his forces were not responsible for a chemical weapons attack outside Damascus on August 21.

Getting rid of his chemical weapons stockpile would likely take about a year, Assad said.

"I think it is a very complicated technically and it needs a lot, a lot of money. Some estimated about a billion for the Syrian stockpile," he said.

Asked whether he would be willing to hand over chemical weapons to the U.S. government, Assad said:

"As I said, it needs a lot of money. It needs about 1 billion. It is very detrimental to the environment. If the American administration is ready to pay this money and take the responsibility of bringing toxic materials to the United States, why don't they do it?"
Assad Says Chemical Weapons Disposal Will Take A Year And $1 Billion - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/assad-chemical-weapons-disposal-2013-9#ixzz2fclhtM9P)
This is the same pattern that the NORKS and now Iran successfully employ . Stall, negotiate and wait for more concessions .That pattern has worked so well for the NORKs that they have moved their nuke program to detonation tests ,and their rocket program to intercontinental status. Meanwhile they are always on the verge of giving them up.
...
I wonder how many al-Shabab jihadists are fighting for the FSA using American weapons ? What a mess. This is what victory looks like .

It's a messy process, but what would Tom do?

victory !!! The depiction of the emperor's Syrian chemical weapons “Red Line” policy as victory looked less than glowing in the light of -Assad’s demands.


Assad Says Chemical Weapons Disposal Will Take A Year And $1 Billion - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/assad-chemical-weapons-disposal-2013-9#ixzz2fclhtM9P)
This is the same pattern that the NORKS and now Iran successfully employ . stall, negotiate and wait for more concessions .That pattern has worked so well for the NORKs that they have moved their nuke program to detonation tests ,and their rocket program to intercontinental status. Meanwhile they are always on the verge of giving them up.
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I wonder how many al-Shabab jihadists are fighting for the FSA using American weapons ? What a mess. This is what victory looks like .

Getting rid of the Syrian WMD is progress and I'm sure that no one thought it could be done without cost. Undoubtedly doing it in the middle of a war adds complications. Its fine to talk and negotiate but ultimately someone has to do the work. Who knows how Assad has costed the exercise or whether he seeks to extort money but this is what you get when you get involved. There is always a price but it is a long bow to suggest al shabab is involved in Syria, al qaeda undoubtedly

No it isn't.. they were active in Libya as mercenaries and I'm sure they are being recruited to fight Assad.
US says Kenyan recruited Islamist fighters for Syria: News-africareview.com (http://www.africareview.com/News/-/979180/1947644/-/dck4vxz/-/index.html)

Former Defense Secretaries Scold Obama on Syria
Two former defense secretaries who served under President Barack Obama have leveled surprisingly harsh criticism at the administration's handling of the Syrian crisis.
Robert Gates and Leon Panetta appeared jointly at a forum at Southern Methodist University in Dallas on Tuesday, and criticized Obama for asking Congress to authorize military force in response to a chemical weapons attack the United States blames on Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime.
Gates said Obama's proposed attack was a mistake, while Panetta asserted it was a mistake not to go forward with a strike on Syria, The New York Times reported.
Gates, who served under George Bush and remained in office under Obama until July 2011, said: "My bottom line is that I believe that to blow a bunch of stuff up over a couple of days, to underscore or validate a point or a principle, is not a strategy.
"If we launch a military attack, in the eyes of a lot of people we become the villain instead of Assad."
Panetta, who replaced Gates and left office in February, said Obama should have followed through on his pledge to act if Syria used chemical weapons: "When the president of the United States draws a red line, the credibility of this country is dependent on him backing up his word."
Panetta said it was wrong to "subcontract" the decision to Congress, stating that the president "has to retain the responsibility and the authority on this issue."
Gates agreed it was wrong to seek authorization from Congress, because if Congress rebuffed him "it would weaken him. It would weaken us in the eyes of our allies, as well as our adversaries around the world."
Gates also said he is skeptical about Russian President Vladimir Putin's efforts to work out a deal with Syria to remove its chemical weapons, and about Syria's intentions to disarm.
Russia insists that rebels carried out the chemical weapons attack, which the United States says killed more than 1,400 people. But the advocacy group Human Rights Watch said on Tuesday that rocket trajectories detailed in a United Nations report suggested the poison gas shells had been fired from a base belonging to the Republican Guard, run by Assad's brother Maher.
Asked if the West should trust Putin, Gates said: "Are you kidding me?"

no it isn't ..they were active in Libya as mercenaries and I'm sure they are being recruited to fight Assad.
US says Kenyan recruited Islamist fighters for Syria: News-africareview.com (http://www.africareview.com/News/-/979180/1947644/-/dck4vxz/-/index.html)

They appear to be fairly active in Kenya

They are reporting there were Americans among the terrorists, and this is about Somalia.

Kenya terror attack: Blasts shake Nairobi mall as military tries to free hostages | Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/09/23/kenya_terror_attack_blasts_shake_nairobi_mall_as_p olice_continue_seige.html)

Westerners said to be among Kenya attackers | The Times of Israel (http://www.timesofisrael.com/americans-canadian-and-brit-said-to-be-among-kenya-attackers/)

Doesn't surprise me.. there are a lot of Americans from the region who have "alleged " ties to various jihadist groups . This could be a precursor of things to come here . Soft targets are very vulnerable .

They are reporting there were Americans among the terrorists, and this is about Somalia.


Yes it is, Kenyan troops are operating in Somalia and the terrorists say they will persist while ever the Kenyans fight in Somalia. This isn't about america but if they were to win they would become like the Taliban. The problem is that none of us have control of our Muslim populations. So far what they have done internally is fairly low level after 9/11 and they insist on martyring themselves

Here is the unconfirmed list of jihadists involved in the attack. The names were released by al-Shaabab :
Sayid N. from Kismayu, Somalia.

Zaki Jama C. from Hargeisa, Somalia

Saad D. from Damascus, Syria

Mohamed B. from Aleppo, Syria

Qasim Said M. Garissa, Kenya

Ismail G. from Helsinki, Finland

Ahmed Nasir S. from London, UK

Mustafa N. from Kansas City, US

Abdishakur Sheikh H. from Maine, US

Abdifatah Osman K. from Minneapolis, US

Ahmad Mohamed I. from Saint Paul, US

Abdikarem Ali M. from Illinois, US

Shafie D. from Tucson, US

Abdirazak M. from Ontario (Canada)

Eliko M. from Dagestan, Russia

Mohammed A. from Svalov, Sweden

Moulid A. from Sweden

The left out Samantha Lewthwaite, from the UK.

I would say the north american continent figures too promenently as a source of fighters in al shabab, the question now remains are these native or recent arrivals, obviously those from Sweden would fit into that category. This proves what I said long ago, Muslims represent a fifth column in western countries, it also demonstrates that al shabab will send foreign fighters on suicide missions

Hello again,

Hmmph... Doesn't seem like we're winning any hearts and minds, does it? In my view, we should do one of two things - bomb them back to the stone age, or leave them alone. Anything in between is asking for trouble.

excon

Hi Ex

I thought there was an american incursion into Somalia at one time. That mission didn't achieve its objectives, too soft an approach perhaps and a lot of dead bodies after a certain adventurist incident.

Leaving them alone hasn't done anythng by allowed al ashabab to arise and consolidate their position although they seem to be on the losing end lately. How do you bomb a group who lives in a desert?

So yes your formula has proven correct

Give Obama is drones back.

Hi Ex

I thought there was an american incursion into Somalia at one time. That mission didn't achieve its objectives, too soft an approach perhaps and a lot of dead bodies after a certain adventurist incident.

leaving them alone hasn't done anythng by allowed al ashabab to arise and consolidate their position although they seem to be on the loosing end lately. How do you bomb a group who lives in a desert?

So yes your formula has proven correctClinton blew up an aspirin factory there to distract the media once upon a time.

Tal

Those drones seem committed to Yemen defending the Saudi interests but then it is only a short flight to Somalia so maybe they could get some milage

Smoothy

I think they might be fresh out of aspirin factories although no doubt there is great need Attacking real terrorists like al shabab instead of Syria might get him some brownie points considering he has a family interest in Kenya

Tal

Those drones seem committed to Yemen defending the Saudi interests but then it is only a short flight to Somalia so maybe they could get some milage

Smoothy

I think they might be fresh out of aspirin factories although no doubt there is great need Attacking real terrorists like al shabab instead of Syria might get him some brownie points considering he has a family interest in Kenya

Yeah... but that would make sense... that means he'd never do it.

Never try to predict what a politician will do, particularly an unpredictable one

Never try to predict what a politician will do, particularly an unpredictable one

Five years and he hasn't done the right thing yet... statistics say he's not likely to anytime soon.

Ah yes but he did earn his peace prize by stopping the war in Iraq, predictable and he is withdrawing from Afghanistan, predictable

Ah yes but he did earn his peace prize by stopping the war in Iraq, predictable and he is withdrawing from Afghanistan, predictable

Except he didn't... he got that for dreams and promses... long before we ever got out of Iraq... but wait... we still have troops there... don't we?

Except he didn't...he got that for dreams and promses...long before we ever got out of Iraq.....but wait...we still have troops there...don't we?

Seriously, does anyone know? You had some there recently for exercises or was that Jordan

He did not earn the peace prize for Iraq. He got it for his (don't gag) extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

He did not earn the peace prize for Iraq. He got it for his (don't gag) extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.

Extraordinary efforts which only happened after the event

http://www.investors.com/image/RAMclr-092413-negotiate-IBD.jpg.cms

extraordinary efforts which only happened after the event

And the event didn't even occur until years after he got the Prize. (which was like a month or two after he took office)

It was that hopey changy stuff

Hello again,
He did not earn the peace prize for Iraq. He didn't EARN it at all. It was BESTOWED upon him. Plus, it came with $1.4 million. What?? He should give it back??

Excon

If it weren't for the right wing noise machine being constantly on, and obstruction over everything, no telling what we might accomplish. I mean come on guys, what would any one do with a dog that barks at everything, all the time? All day, and all night?

The muzzle industry would make a fortune off you wingers. And there would be peace through out the land. Well it would be quiet any way.

Hello again, He didn't EARN it at all. It was BESTOWED upon him. Plus, it came with $1.4 million. What??? He should give it back???

excon

Yep... he should give it back... because there were other people who were actually deserving of it.

Hello again, He didn't EARN it at all. It was BESTOWED upon him. Plus, it came with $1.4 million. What??? He should give it back???

excon

Which just goes to show the absurdity the Nobels have become. The prizes are to be given to "those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit to mankind."

How exactly did Obama confer the greatest benefit to mankind prior to having the award bestowed upon him? That was a sham.

He gave them hope. That's not a small thing, but why expect the right to get it since your whole MO is squeal.

You express your fears very well, but you don't seem very hopeful about anything.

He gave them hope. That's not a small thing, but why expect the right to get it since your whole MO is squeal.

You express your fears very well, but you don't seem very hopeful about anything.

I was hopeful America wouldn't fall for an amateur empty suit. I'm hopeful they won't fall for Hillary. Fortunately my hope is NOT in government.

Hope can have great power, but what he promised also gives many of us chills and some of us were not so stupid as to fall for all the over the top hype coming from his adoring followers. Hope doesn't fill stomachs or create jobs, and he has certainly not fulfilled his role as the great peacemaker and deliverer. You don't bestow an award designated for those who "conferred the greatest benefit to mankind" based on potential. The whole idea of that is contradictory.

How exactly did Obama confer the greatest benefit to mankind prior to having the award bestowed upon him? That was a sham.

I think he won the US election didn't he, no small feat for someone from the back blocks of Chicago who possessed certain political disabilities. He became the black hope. And yes it proved to be a sham as he was just as tainted by the machine as any other politician

he was just as tainted by the machine as any other politician
He was never part of Chicago politics.

He was never part of Chicago politics.

I wasn't referring to the local machine although I understand it is formidable but how did he go from social worker to senator? You think he didn't have the kiss of approval?

I wasn't referring to the local machine although I understand it is formidable but how did he go from social worker to senator? you think he didn't have the kiss of approval?
Nope. Not from anything or anyone Chicago.

Lol Valerie Jarrett, David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, and Michelle are all products of the Daley machine... but the emperor wasn't? Axelrod was the chief consultant to Mayor Richard M. Daley (who for a time served as the White House chief of staff ), and Jarrett, the mayor's deputy chief of staff. He bought the whole crew with him to the WH . But he wasn't a part of it. Now Rham Emanuel is Mayor .But somehow the emperor ,who surrounded himself with machine apparatchiks was not a part of the "Chicago Way " .

lol Valerie Jarrett, David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, and Michelle are all products of the Daley machine ... but the emperor wasn't ?? .
Nope!

I wasn't referring to the local machine although I understand it is formidable but how did he go from social worker to senator? you think he didn't have the kiss of approval?

Of course he did .Michelle's old man worked at the ward level .The emperor rode in on her petticoat tails . She was a Daley advisor and Assistant Planning Commissioner.Secretary of Education Arne Duncan .The emperor's Secretary of Education Arne Duncan came out of the Daley machine too.
So how did the emperor get in ? Because he wasn't from the town.

When Obama worked at Sidley and Austin law firm in Chicago, as a civil rights lawyer and teacher of constitutional law, he was assigned a personal mentor... Michelle Robinson. Her father, Fraser Robinson, was a city water worker and precinct captain ,a long time Daley operative. They married ,and the emperor had his foot in the door .

of course he did .Michelle's old man worked at the ward level .The emperor rode in on her petticoat tails . She was a Daley advisor and Assistant Planning Commissioner.Secretary of Education Arne Duncan .The emperor's Secretary of Education Arne Duncan came out of the Daley machine too.
So how did the emperor get in ? Because he wasn't from the town.

When Obama worked at Sidley and Austin law firm in Chicago, as a civil rights lawyer and teacher of constitutional law, he was assigned a personal mentor.....Michelle Robinson. Her father, Fraser Robinson, was a city water worker and precinct captain ,a long time Daley operative. They married ,and the emperor had his foot in the door .
Naw. You are connecting all the wrong dots.

Come on here are the dots... Fraser Robinson begat Michelle... who was hired by Valerie Jarrett to work at City Hall when she was deputy chief of staff to Richard M Daley. Michelle is assigned to be mentor to the young emperor in training . They strike up a Jarrett chaperoned romance and get married . His political career takes off. The same cadre of Daley gumbas (including Daley eventually) from Chi town follow him to the White House and Jarrett still is often the deciding voice in policy . You will recall that Jarrett was once co-chair of the committee to bring the Olympics to Chicago. So what does the emperor do in the first days of his term ? He makes a trip to make a personal appeal to bring the games to the town of his patron.

come on here are the dots ... Fraser Robinson begat Michelle .....who was hired by Valerie Jarrett to work at City Hall when she was deputy chief of staff to Richard M Daley. Michelle is assigned to be mentor to the young emperor in training . They strike up a Jarrett chaperoned romance and get married . His political career takes off. The same cadre of Daley gumbas (including Daley eventually) from Chi town follow him to the White House and Jarrett still is often the deciding voice in policy . You will recall that Jarrett was once co-chair of the committee to bring the Olympics to Chicago. So what does the emperor do in the first days of his term ? He makes a trip to make a personal appeal to bring the games to the town of his patron.
Wrong dots.

Samantha Power is proclaiming victory (https://twitter.com/AmbassadorPower/statuses/383341593249316864) at the UN... and so is Syria.

Syrian lawmaker: Draft UN resolution is slam to US, shows it failed to impose military action (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrian-lawmaker-draft-un-resolution-is-slam-to-us-shows-it-failed-to-impose-military-action/2013/09/27/60f8a848-275e-11e3-9372-92606241ae9c_story.html)

Yep, I think he's right.

Dude, once you say to the outlaw drop your gun at gun point, then you aren't supposed to shoot. You're from Texas and don't know that?

The reply to Power is correct .The UNSC affixes no blame to Syria for the use of CW. The resolution doesn't blame Syria for the CW It does say that any perpetrator must be held accountable.

Dude, once you say to the outlaw drop your gun at gun point, then you aren't supposed to shoot. You're from Texas and don't know that?

And if he doesn't drop it, you shoot. Obama's "smart power" failed to get that option, Russia and Syria won this one.

They dropped their weapons and now are under an agreement to submit and comply to the international community. We all win this round, without a shot being fired.

They dropped their weapons and now are under an agreement to submit and comply to the international community. We all win this round, without a shot being fired.

Well at least I now understand how the emperor won his Nobel, It's all about potential with you guys, not actual results. I was unaware they had already given up their weapons. Tell you what, next time you play me in football you play a bunch of guys with potential and claim victory before the game and we'll see how that works.

not actual resultsWhat is wrong with the results in this case?

What is wrong with the results in this case?

What results? He still has the CW, he is control of the CW, he does not face a military response for not complying, we have no idea if he ever will comply. Russia and Syria got what they wanted, we got egg on our face and those Syrian rebels we're supplying? A number of groups defected to AQ's side in support of an Islamic state. What exactly is it we won?

So since the results you want are not instant then the whole process is a failure? The UN just hammered an agreement out that the process for Assad to relinquish his CW starts next week, so is that better?

So since the results you want are not instant then the whole process is a failure?

No more than it means "we WON" before anything has happened. I just think you and ex are being overly optimistic and awfully trusting of some really shady characters. I'm not that naïve, we got got.

So we should walk away and say forget it, or are you mad it wasn't bombs away?

I implied neither. I don't trust Putin or Assad and believe they're the ones that came out on top in this and we look silly.

The forces we are backing as the "good rebels " are uniting with the AQ and jihadist infiltrators as has already been noted . Abd al Aziz Salamah, the leader of Liwa al Tawhid, announced that 11 rebel groups, including AQ's Al Nusrah Front , signed a statement that called for sharia, and urged all groups to unite.
According to Jane's, nearly half of the 100,000 rebel fighters are "now aligned to jihadist or hardline Islamist groups"
Syria: nearly half rebel fighters are jihadists or hardline Islamists, says IHS Jane's report - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10311007/Syria-nearly-half-rebel-fighters-are-jihadists-or-hardline-Islamists-says-IHS-Janes-report.html)
Free Syrian Army fighters have also been defecting to al Qaeda's affiliates by the thousands.

Hundreds of Syria rebels pledge loyalty to Qaeda groups: activists | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/20/us-syria-crisis-qaeda-idUSBRE98J0DK20130920)

Are we still arming the rebels ? Yes . There's your victory .

the forces we are backing as the "good rebels " are uniting with the AQ and jihadist infiltrators as has already been noted . Abd al Aziz Salamah, the leader of Liwa al Tawhid, announced that 11 rebel groups, including AQ's Al Nusrah Front , signed a statement that called for sharia, and urged all groups to unite.
According to Jane's, nearly half of the 100,000 rebel fighters are "now aligned to jihadist or hardline Islamist groups"
Syria: nearly half rebel fighters are jihadists or hardline Islamists, says IHS Jane's report - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10311007/Syria-nearly-half-rebel-fighters-are-jihadists-or-hardline-Islamists-says-IHS-Janes-report.html)
Free Syrian Army fighters have also been defecting to al Qaeda's affiliates by the thousands.

Hundreds of Syria rebels pledge loyalty to Qaeda groups: activists | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/20/us-syria-crisis-qaeda-idUSBRE98J0DK20130920)

Are we still arming the rebels ? Yes . There's your victory .

Yeah, we sure aced this one, that there is what you call "smart power.".

I implied neither. I don't trust Putin or Assad and believe they're the ones that came out on top in this and we look silly.

Let 'em laugh.


the forces we are backing as the "good rebels " are uniting with the AQ and jihadist infiltrators as has already been noted . Abd al Aziz Salamah, the leader of Liwa al Tawhid, announced that 11 rebel groups, including AQ's Al Nusrah Front , signed a statement that called for sharia, and urged all groups to unite.
According to Jane's, nearly half of the 100,000 rebel fighters are "now aligned to jihadist or hardline Islamist groups"
Syria: nearly half rebel fighters are jihadists or hardline Islamists, says IHS Jane's report - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10311007/Syria-nearly-half-rebel-fighters-are-jihadists-or-hardline-Islamists-says-IHS-Janes-report.html)
Free Syrian Army fighters have also been defecting to al Qaeda's affiliates by the thousands.

Hundreds of Syria rebels pledge loyalty to Qaeda groups: activists | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/20/us-syria-crisis-qaeda-idUSBRE98J0DK20130920)

Are we still arming the rebels ? Yes . There's your victory .

They seem to be fighting Assad, which would you prefer? Them or Assad? Let 'em fight each other. It's far from over.

Why do I have to make that choice ? Let the dust settle then maybe we will have to deal with the victor. We have 2 nations we have an interest in in the immediate region ,Israel and Jordan. Neither nation will be better off with a jihadist failed state .
My question is why do you want to help the same jihadists who a year ago was murdering Ambassador Chris Stevens ?

What I don't get is this, Syria has an army in the hundreds of thousands and there are maybe 20,000 rebels. How is it that these rebel forces have not been crushed

There is a rat line of "rebels" infiltrating through Turkey and Lebanon. The Syrian Army had cut off the rebels from their supply line and was in the process of defeating the rebels when there was this chemical attack that conveniently served the rebels interest..

There is a rat line of "rebels" infiltrating through Turkey and Lebanon. The Syrian Army had cut off the rebels from their supply line and was in the process of defeating the rebels when there was this chemical attack that conveniently served the rebels interest..

So you are on the side of the rebels used chemical weapons. Point is a strong military force should have been able to win decisive victories but they only control half the country

How do you read in my statement a support for either side? I've made my position clear . You asked why the rebels haven't been crushed and I thought my reply was self explanatory . The rebels have not been defeated because they are supported financially and with infiltration of weapons and fighters.
BTW ,the Syrian army is no where's near as strong as you suppose. They too have had to rely on outside aid ,including Russian weapons ,and Iranian (Qod forces ) and Hezbollah manpower .

how do you read in my statement a support for either side? I've made my position clear . You asked why the rebels haven't been crushed and I thought my reply was self explanatory . The rebels have not been defeated because they are supported financially and with infiltration of weapons and fighters.
BTW ,the Syrian army is no where's near as strong as you suppose. They too have had to rely on outside aid ,including Russian weapons ,and Iranian (Qod forces ) and Hezbollah manpower .

No I suppose there is just so much a conscript army can do when their heart isn't in it, but given they have the support of Hezbollah they should have achieved more than they have. Still I see parallels in your own civil war where forces were tied up for years defending the capital and couldn't bring a decisive blow on the enemy. If the leadership is good enough you don't succeed, eh?

Ours was a total war of attrition . The North was not going to win until that reality was understood ,and Northern commanders who recognized that promoted. I think Lincoln understood it all along .His Generals at the beginning ,trained in Napoleonic tactics, did not .

ours was a total war of attrition . The North was not going to win until that reality was understood ,and Northern commanders who recognized that promoted. I think Lincoln understood it all along .His Generals at the beginning ,trained in Napoleonic tactics, did not .

Yes well given Syria's early links with France some of that Nepolanic thinking might remain particularly in the leadership. I don't think Syria is a war of attrition because the guy with the biggest forces always wins that war. I actually think it is a war of stupidity. The government didn't collapse when a few rebels said BOO! As was the case in Eqypt and Tunisia

. I don't think Syria is a war of attrition because the guy with the biggest forces always wins that war
I've contended it is similar to the Spanish Civil War. The outcome will be determined by external forces. And ,as you know... the Spanish Civil War was a dress rehearsal .

I've contended it is similar to the Spanish Civil War. The outcome will be determined by external forces. And ,as you know .....the Spanish Civil War was a dress rehearsal .

Tom I have read the Book of Revelation, I just happen to think it doesn't all play out at once and the rivers of blood that flow in the middle east have flowed and will contunue to flow. I waiting for the army of two hundred million to walk across the Euphraties, This isn't a dress rehearsal, it isn't even a rehearsal. What weapons do you think are being tested here? None because they were tested in Iraq. We know the range of Scud missiles, we know how well spent uranium munitions perform, we know laser guided bombs work and now we have the drone, in a fighter aircraft

I was not making any biblical references .But this is a dress rehearsal none-the-less for the battle for the control of the ummah . There is also unfortunately a variation of the 'Great Game' being played out here.

I don't think the Muslims have the stomach to control the ummah that was centuries ago. Yes they may still be pawns in the Great Game, Russians have long memories, a very long history and the US is after all just the successor to the British Empire

I think you miss the stated goals.. The leaders of these factions all have visions of a renovatio.

I think you miss the stated goals .. The leaders of these factions all have visions of a renovatio.

I think that's dilusions

Yup.. no lack of delusions there .

What's delusional is denying the changes you see before your eyes. There are more to come, not less.

Hello again,

Here's another FAILURE for our inept commie leader... He spoke to the Iranian president. I'm SURE he apologized, aren't you? He should BOMB them, instead, huh?

excon

It's a personal victory for the emperor who is a Nixon wannabee ;and has visions of a détente trip to Tehran... And yes he will bow.

Hello again, tom:
who is a Nixon wannabee ;and has visions of a détente trip to Tehran... And yes he will bow.Then your side will remember him as the guy who kissed everybody's a$$, and my side will remember him as the guy who saved the world.

What else is new?

Excon

Hello again, tom:Then your side will remember him as the guy who kissed everybody's a$$, and my side will remember him as the guy who saved the world.

So, you actually trust Russia, Syria and now Iran?


What else is new?

Obama is the Messiah again?

Hello again, Steve:

So, you actually trust Russia, Syria and now Iran? You and I talk all the time, but that's got nothing to do with trust. I wouldn't elect you dog catcher..

But... You're NOT saying, are you, that we need to TRUST a leader before we talk to him??

Look. You HATE this black man in the White House SOOOO much, that you're willing to post stupid crap that I KNOW you don't believe..

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
You and I talk all the time, but that's got nothing to do with trust. I wouldn't elect you dog catcher..

But... You're NOT saying, are you, that we need to TRUST a leader before we talk to him??

He'll negotiate with Iran but not Republicans?

Sure we can talk. We can tell them they must stop trying to build a nuke, they must stop supporting terrorism, the must give up their goal of annihilating Israel, they must stop arming terrorists, etc. Then we'll talk.


Look. You HATE this black man in the White House SOOOO much, that you're willing to post stupid crap that I KNOW you don't believe..

And you're as deluded as Pelosi in why conservatives disapprove of Obama's agenda and performance. I'll borrow from him, he's likeable enough, but he should have stuck community organizing.

he should have stuck community organizingFunny how you don't mention his being a state senator and being a civil rights attorney among other things.

Hello again, Steve:

He'll negotiate with Iran but not Republicans? Weren't you the guy who posted stuff about Democrats aversion to reality??

Here's some reality that you have an aversion to. The ACA is LAW. It a DONE deal. WHO, in their right mind, would negotiate ending it??

Now, if you came up with a plan to FIX it, the nice black man in the White House would, no doubt, NEGOTIATE with you. But, that's NOT what you want to do. You want to do things that just aren't going to happen.

Excon

Funny how you don't mention his being a state senator and being a civil rights attorney among other things.

The state senator best known for voting present, and I'm unaware of his great accomplishments as a civil rights attorney. Perhaps you can tell us all about that glorious career.

I can... he used strong arm tactics to get banks to lower mortgage standards... doing his part to create the real estate bubble that led to the financial collapse in 2008.

Hello again, Steve:
Weren't you the guy who posted stuff about Democrats aversion to reality??

Here's some reality that you have an aversion to. The ACA is LAW. It a DONE deal. WHO, in their right mind, would negotiate ending it??

Last I heard Republicans wanted to negotiate a 1 year delay in implementation. Instead, he called Iran.


Now, if you came up with a plan to FIX it, the nice black man in the White House would, no doubt, NEGOTIATE with you. But, that's NOT what you want to do. You want to do things that just aren't going to happen.

Maybe he should listen to one of his own then.

GOP applaud Manchin support of Obamacare delay (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/29/gop-applaud-manchin-support-of-obamacare-delay/)


Republicans pounced last week when Mr. Manchin told a crowd at a Bloomberg Government breakfast that there is “no way I could not vote for” a postponement of the health care law, calling the idea “very reasonable and sensible.”

Mr. Manchin later clarified his remarks in a news release, saying that he always opposed the individual mandate, but that he does not support the recent Republican push to link a delay of Obamacare to the drawn out spending debate on Capitol Hill that is pushing the nation to the brink of a government shutdown.

Hello again,

If you represent a conservative district, your positions would, naturally, BE conservative. But, when your district is the United States of America, your positions should reflect THAT electorate.

That's something right wingers don't understand, and never will.

excon

The state senator best known for voting present,
In Illinois, that means "Go back to the drawing board and think about this some more."

Hello again, Steve:
Maybe he should listen to one of his own then.

Delaying is NOT fixing. It NEEDS a fix - NOT a delay. If you want to PARTICIPATE, I'll listen. If you want to KILL it, I won't.

Excon

Hello again,

If you represent a conservative district, your positions would, naturally, BE conservative. But, when your district is the United States of America, your positions should reflect THAT electorate.

That's something right wingers don't understand, and never will.

excon

Obama started with a Democrat House and Senate, the people corrected that. You think it's a mandate for Obama's free reign.

Hello again, Steve:

Obama started with a Democrat House and Senate, the people corrected that. You think it's a mandate for Obama's free reign.Yes, I do. What do YOU call a sweep of both houses and the presidency??

Uhhhh, back to the states... You DO think the states that have a Republican governor and a Republican congress, have a free reign, don't you??

But, let's call a "free reign", by its true name - DEMOCRACY AT WORK!!

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
Yes, I do. What do YOU call a sweep of both houses and the presidency???

In this case I'd call that a tragedy, but like I said the people corrected that by giving the House to Republicans after 2 years of your sweep. You apparently think that's irrelevant.

Hello again, Steve:

In this case I'd call that a tragedy,I call it DEMOCRACY at WORK. What your right wing STATES are doing is a tragedy. I'll bet YOU call it democracy at work..

Ain't stuff like that funny?

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
I call it DEMOCRACY at WORK. What your right wing STATES are doing is a tragedy. I'll bet YOU call it democracy at work..

Ain't stuff like that funny?

excon

I never said it wasn't democracy at work, you just overlook the fact that the people decided they didn't like Democrats controlling everything are still under some illusion that Obama has a mandate in spite of that. The people said loud and clear, "back off", and you aren't listening. You beeyatch as Tal says about them obstructing when the people wanted some obstruction after the way Dems ran roughshod over them and their clear wishes.

Meanwhile, Bibi is going to try and talk some sense into Obama - right after Israel arrested an alleged Iranian spy (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-says-it-has-arrested-an-iranian-spy/2013/09/29/6633972e-290b-11e3-b141-298f46539716_story.html) who just happened to have intel of possible terrorism targets including photos of the US embassy in Tel Aviv in his camera. I bet the emperor will be more receptive to Iran.

News flash since apparently certain members of the lunatic left never got.

Obama isn't the Messiah, he's not an Emperor, and he's not the King.

So like a misbehaving little kid that hasn't learned to play with the other kids yet... Barrak needs to to learn his place in things... because he prances around like he thinks he is God himself.

Obama isn't the Messiah, he's not an EmperorHi smother,

Yet the righties on this site are the only ones who keep calling him that. Weird.

Hi smother,

Yet the righties on this site are the only ones who keep calling him that. Weird.

If the lefties would stop fouling their underwear and prostrating themselves like Muslims in his presence... maybe we wouldn't have to keep pointing it out to you .

Hi smother,

Yet the righties on this site are the only ones who keep calling him that. Weird.

Um, ex said yesterday that his side would remember Obama as "the guy who saved the world." His side elevated him to Messiah status, don't get annoyed at us for calling him what they've created.

don't get annoyed at us for calling himYou're the only ones here calling him that.

Show me where our side calls our PRESIDENT the messiah. You are making that up and it doesn't pass as fact. Its right wing squeal, hollering, and SPIN. Great for sound bites and red meat talking points, though huh!

You're the only ones here calling him that.

Talk about aversion to reality.


Then your side will remember him as the guy who kissed everybody's a$$, and my side will remember him as the guy who saved the world (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3560106-post625.html).

"A messiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah) is a saviour or liberator of a group of people."

The rest (http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/) has been quoted here extensively, so again don't get annoyed with us for calling him what they've created. I get it though, after all that hype I'd be backing away from it too after seeing he's really just another privileged, progressive Democrat whose talk doesn't match his walk.

so again don't get annoyed with us for calling him what they've created.So I guess you believe he is then.

So I guess you believe he is then.

No, you're just making no sense whatsoever.

Your child-like repetition of the terms in order to demean a group of people kind of invalidates whatever point you make afterwards.

Your child-like repetition of the terms in order to demean a group of people kind of invalidates whatever point you make afterwards.

I'm holding a HUGE mirrow up facing your way.

http://sidoxia.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pot-kettle-black.jpg

Just saying it does not make it so. :D

Your child-like repetition of the terms in order to demean a group of people kind of invalidates whatever point you make afterwards.

Dude, just try to make sense with your arguments and we'll be fine. Only you could come to the ridiculous conclusion that I believe Obama is the messiah and instead of the guy who said he'll be remembered as "the guy who saved the world." I mean dude, that makes zero sense.

What was it ex was telling us? Oh yeah, WE WON! That guy Obama is talking to? Back in May he bragged about how he fooled the US (http://www.timesofisrael.com/rouhani-on-iranian-tv-in-may-detailed-how-he-broke-nuclear-pledge/) on their nuke program back in 2003...


In a video clip now gaining fresh attention as the international community seeks to assess his credibility, Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani bragged on Iranian state television just four months ago that he and the regime utterly flouted a 2003 agreement with the IAEA in which it promised to suspend all uranium enrichment and certain other nuclear activities.

Rouhani, who was being interviewed by Iran’s state IRIB TV (Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting) on May 27, less than three weeks before he won the June 14 presidential elections, was provoked by the interviewer’s assertion that, as Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator in 2003-5, “everything was suspended” on the nuclear program under his watch.

Smiling but evidently highly irritated by the suggestion, Rouhani called it “a lie” that only “the illiterate” would believe, and said that “whoever is talking to you in your earpiece” was feeding false information. He proceeded to detail how Iran, in fact, had flagrantly breached the October 2003 “Tehran Declaration,” which he said “was supposed to outline how everything should be suspended.”

Although Iran issued a joint statement with visiting EU ministers in October 2003 setting out its pledged obligations under the Tehran Declaration, in practice, Rouhani said in the interview, “We did not let that happen!”


But we WON!


Bloomberg columnist Jeffrey Goldberg has taken note of the post and observed what is on offer: “Rouhani has revealed his true nuclear intentions.” Goldberg explains (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/10/reading-rouhani-2.php):


[I]n May, shortly before he was elected, Rouhani appeared on state-run IRIB TV to defend his nuclear work, appearing defensive as a hard-line interviewer essentially accused him of bowing before the West. We may one day thank the interviewer, Hassan Abedini, for pushing Rouhani on the subject. According to an account of the conversation published in the Times of Israel, Rouhani at one point became flustered by the insinuation that, as Iran’s chief nuclear negotiator 10 years ago, he kowtowed to the West by bringing his country’s nuclear activities to a stop.

“We halted the nuclear program?” he asked, rhetorically. “We were the ones to complete it! We completed the technology.”

Abedini pushed Rouhani harder, claiming that uranium enrichment at a facility in Isfahan had been suspended while Rouhani was in charge. Rouhani denied the accusation, and then claimed credit for the development of a heavy-water reactor in Arak in 2004.

“Do you know when we developed yellowcake? Winter 2004. Do you know when the number of centrifuges reached 3,000? Winter 2004.”

Reading accounts of Rouhani’s combative interview made me wonder if this might represent his personal Hudaybiyyah moment. What is a Hudaybiyyah moment? The moment when a mask slips.

What did we win?

Hello again, Steve:

Uhhh, Syria, is NOT Iran.

excon

Remember Reagan saying "trust but verify"? Of course you don't.

Syria is not Iran? Brilliant. As I recall we were discussing both in your we won world, and I don't believe Reagan would trust a guy we already know is bragging about fooling us. Obama is no Reagan, though.

and I don't believe Reagan would trust a guy we already know is bragging about fooling us.
Yup :

Here is something to remember as nuclear negotiations between the West and Iran appear set to recommence: The Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, the putative moderate on whose shoulders great American hopes have been placed, is proud of the work he did to advance his country's nuclear program -- and also of his efforts to stymie Western attempts to stop that work.
Rouhani Has Revealed His True Nuclear Intentions - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-07/rouhani-has-revealed-his-true-nuclear-intentions.html)

... and not only that ;the Supreme Leader ,Ayatollah Ali Khamenei did a bit of a smack down on Hassan Rouhani for taking it too far.

Khamenei had pointed at some “missteps” during the Iranian delegation's visit to the UN General Assembly in New York last month, specifically Iranian President Hassan Rouhani's phone conversation with US President Barack Obama, and Zarif's own meeting with Secretary of State John Kerry.
Khamenei unhappy over contacts with Obama and Kerry | The Times of Israel (http://www.timesofisrael.com/khamenei-obama-rouhani-phone-call-was-a-misstep/)
But that won't stop the emperor ,and the West in general from grasping at that carrot and opening another round of time delaying negotiations that will include easing of sanctions.
It's an international version of' hopey changy '.

But, we WON! Obama saved the world!

No kidding...

FIRST ON CNN: US intelligence suggests Syria may hide some chemical weapons – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs (http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/05/first-on-cnn-us-intelligence-suggests-syria-may-hide-some-chemical-weapons/)

Hello again, Steve:

No kidding...
I'm not sure who you're trying to diss here. The Syrians, your hero Putin, the dreaded UN, or the guy who killed Bin Laden when your guy couldn't?

excon

YOUR guy would never have gotten the chance if OUR guy had not put the programs in place that located him.

But incidentally long before W ever got into office Clinton was offered OBL on a silver platter and he didn't want him... so it was one of your guys that blew the chance when he had it.

Hello again, smoothy:

Our discussions are OVER! Don't address me again. I can't give you reddies here, but if you continue to post BOGUS stuff on the law boards like you do, I WILL!

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not sure who you're trying to diss here. The Syrians, your hero Putin, the dreaded UN, or the guy who killed Bin Laden when your guy couldn't?

excon

My aren't you a little crabby lately. What am I thinking, you're always crabby. :)

Hello again, Steve:
you're always crabby. Actually, I make a very good friend. Until the day I don't, and then I make a very good enemy. In my world, things ARE black or white.

excon

Black or white eh? Then why aren't you dissing the "truthiness" of the present regime?

Probably for the same reason you never question the tactics of the insurance industry any more.

Hello again, Steve:

Then why aren't you dissing the "truthiness" of the present regime?Cause I'm not as easy as you. But, I'm beginning to.

excon

Probably for the same reason you never question the tactics of the insurance industry any more.

Argumentum e silentio

Doesn't apply to me. And while you stated you hate insurance companies as much as the government, you clearly come down for the junk insurance and sticker shock you blame on government.

You exploit a twofer to excuse your lack of depth on the issue, and ignore the benefit to 50 million people for the initial reaction to a complex situation.

As to the posting of an 3 month old article what's the point? Who trusts Assad or Putin any way?

Trust but VERIFY! Or are you just poking for some reaction? You got it,now what,your turn.

a) you're repeating yourself again and b) the last article (http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/05/first-on-cnn-us-intelligence-suggests-syria-may-hide-some-chemical-weapons/) I linked is dated November 5th, 2013, aka yesterday. I think you're losing it, Tal