Hello again,

Didja hear that Rush Limprod BELIEVES (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/09/obama-planned-syrian-gas-attacks-limbaugh-bodansky)Obama gassed the rebels??? Really...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

Which Orifice did you pull that tidbit from? Because I listen to him at the office and he never said that.

Though I believe Obama is enough of a narcicisst to do that... if he actually had access to them, which he doesn't..

Oh... and for the people that can't cope with the fact of all the flip-flopers on the left that are currently telling lies about their support for the Iraq war...

Read it for yourself at snopes... John Kerry, and Hillarly clinton as well as Nancy (where am I ) Pelosi... and the rest of the cast of clowns.

snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp)

Two things. First, it's come to this...


‘We Are No Better’: Media Company CEO and Obama Supporter, Equates Syrian Nerve Gas With Pesticides (http://www.mediaite.com/online/we-are-no-better-wealthy-ceo-obama-supporter-equates-syrian-nerve-gas-with-pesticides/)

Maria Rodale, CEO and chairman of publishing house Rodale, Inc. manages a variety of periodicals that are household names, including Men’s Health, Women’s Health, and Prevention. She is also an outspoken supporter of President Barack Obama, as she freely admitted in the open letter to the president published in The Huffington Post on Wednesday.

But Rodale is concerned by Obama’s push for military action in Syria in response to that regime’s systematic and escalating use of chemical weapons on civilian populations. Rodale is concerned, not because children are being gassed en mass, but because the United States would view the precedent-setting use of chemical weapons to be a casus belli.

No, says the author of Organic Manifesto: How Organic Food Can Heal Our Planet, Feed the World, and Keep Us Safe. In fact, the taboo on chemical weapons is being violated every day on an unimaginable scale because children around the world are being poisoned by non-organic produce. Seriously.

“I do not consider myself a Christian,” Rodale writes, “but I would like to quote Jesus and ask, ‘Who among you has not sinned?’”

“Yes, Syria has undoubtedly used chemical weapons on its own people. Maybe it was the government; maybe it was the opposition; maybe you know for sure,” she continues. “But here’s what I know for sure: We are no better.”


We have been using chemical weapons on our own children — and ourselves — for decades, the chemical weapons we use in agriculture to win the war on pests, weeds, and the false need for ever greater yields.

Sure, some might call her a raving lunatic who may be ill-advisedly experimenting with a reduction in her daily medication. Others would call Rodale a beacon of sanity in an insane world. Then there are those who wonder what kind of a God would allow the cosmic injustice of this person’s fortune and success to continue, given the fact that she not only holds asinine opinions like these but thinks advertising them is a clever move. Count me in the latter group.—–

Good to see the loonies finally turning out.

And then, it's good to see the media doing their job. I give you AP reporter Matt Lee...

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LEE: And so what I don’t understand, though, is how he is comfortable with the president’s decision. I understand the president’s commander in chief and that everyone is going to get on board with whatever he decides, but I don’t understand why he is so full-throatedly in favor of this. He over the weekend said the president was acting courageously by taking this to Congress, and I don’t understand what is courageous about asking permission for something that you say you don’t need and to do what you believe to be the right thing not just morally but in general.

PSAKI: Well –

LEE: Can you explain why this is a courageous move and — or why the secretary would call it a courageous move?

PSAKI: Well, certainly let me first say, of course, the secretary does feel how he did on Friday, how he did on Sunday, that targeted intervention is absolutely the right step, and he does support the president’s decision to bring this to Congress. And –

LEE: Was there some kind of, like, group spine-removal op procedure at the White House over the weekend?

LOL, love it.

for once in her life Palin talks sense

Opinion: Sarah Palin's offensive remarks about Syria - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/04/opinion/obeidallah-palin-arabic/index.html?hpt=hp_t5)

Palin has echoed the sentiments of many of us on Syria. "Let Allah sort it out". A reference to allowing the God that these people worship to intervene and choose sides in the conflict. Any suggestion that she thinks Allah and Jesus are the same person should be put aside since no follower of Islam acknowledges Jesus as God. But she is right the US should stay out of the conflict irrespective of what international lines have been crossed. As long as the conflicit stays in Syria then everyone else stay out

That's just great since all the refugees are flowing into Syria's neighboring countries. Yeah that's keeping it in Syria all right.

People can choose where they want to live, those who have left show good sense, but we should not play agony aunt over those who have chosen to stay in the thick of the fighting, the arabs are revolting, revolution is a fact of life in the arab world

since no follower of Islam acknowledges Jesus as God.What difference would it make if they did?

What difference would it make if they did?

Then you could say they worship the same God and Christians could align themselves with Muslims. This is a war that is essentially between two muslim sects who hate each other, it has nothing to do with Christians or Christian nations, all we can hope to do is pick up the pieces when it is over. If Christian nations get involved the muslims will turn on them, they won't thank the Christians for getting involved, they will say the crusaders have come again unite against a common enemy and it doesn't matter that secular states are involved, for muslims that is even worse, that they are opposed by Kaffir, unbelievers

it has nothing to do with Christians or Christian nations...
That's what they told the Copts in Egypt. That's what they are telling the embattled Syrian Christians in Maaloula (one of the few places in the world where residents still speak Aramaic).
And who is threatening them ? No ,not Assad . It's those freedom fighters the FSA .
Syria's Christian minority is roughly 10 percent of the population . They have not had a great time under the Assad regime. But if jihadistan wins they will be ethnically cleansed.

for once in her life Palin talks sense

Opinion: Sarah Palin's offensive remarks about Syria - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/04/opinion/obeidallah-palin-arabic/index.html?hpt=hp_t5)

Palin has echoed the sentiments of many of us on Syria. "Let Allah sort it out". A reference to allowing the God that these people worship to intervene and choose sides in the conflict. Any suggestion that she thinks Allah and Jesus are the same person should be put aside since no follower of Islam acknowledges Jesus as God. But she is right the US should stay out of the conflict irrespective of what international lines have been crossed. As long as the conflicit stays in Syria then everyone else stay out

Who gives a damn what the Pedophile worshipers are offended by... they get offended the fact that Jews, Christians and Atheists get to do as they wish on the same planet they infest.

Personally I think she summed it up well...

Who gives a damn what the Pedophile worshipers are offended by...they get offended the fact that Jews, Christians and Atheists get to do as they wish on the same planet they infest.

Personally I think she summed it up well....

I see you and I agree, the Muslims are doing the rest of us a favour by keeping their war to themselves. While they are fighting each other they are not fighting us, this seems to have been forgotten. How can the US fight al qaeda all over the world and support them in Syria. Doesn't make sense, why are they looking for an excuse to attack Assard? Don't they realise that if the rebels win those WMD will be in the hands of extremeists

Who gives a damn what the Pedophile worshipers areThe Catholic Church?

The Catholic Church?

That spiel is rather old... especially when you consider Muslims treat their daughters like livestock and make deals to marry them off... usually when they are sill children. And many times actually do it when they are still children.

I see you and I agree, the Muslims are doing the rest of us a favour by keeping their war to themselves. while they are fighting each other they are not fighting us, this seems to have been forgotten. how can the US fight al qaeda all over the world and support them in Syria. doesn't make sense, why are they looking for an excuse to attack Assard? don't they realise that if the rebels win those WMD will be in the hands of extremeistsThere is all the reason in the world to believe some of them already are in their hands.

They have been at each others throats since the earliest recorded history... basically early in the old testiment.

If anyone thinks the inbred nature of the troglodytes will change overnight... I have a lot of property on the Martian Surface I'd like to sell them.

That spiel is rather old... It's still happening.

Pope pulls ambassador to Dominican Republic amid abuse allegations - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/04/world/americas/dominican-republic-church-abuse-allegations/index.html)

Yeah and lots of Atheists are doing it too... where is your outrage with them... or is it just your anti-religion agenda that gets in the way?

or is it just your anti-religion agendaJust following your anti-religion agenda.

You need a fresh repertoire... the old one is overused.

Not sure how we got from a group spine removal op at the White House to child molestation, but anyway. So how's that "smart power" working out?

Rumsfield is making the Fox rounds punking the president, but he never talks about or gets questions about what he and the right wing emperor did in his day.

American poison gas for Saddam, courtesy of Rumsfeld - DeepJournal (http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/137.html)

The Reagan-Saddam Connection: "We Create These Monsters And When It (http://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/9/the_reagan_saddam_connection_we_create)

Not to mention they wrote a law forbidding him to engage in a war, yet he did it anyway.

Dude, everyone is punking the president and his super smart regime, except those Dems who think we need to have this war that really isn't a war to help Obama save face. Did you miss that group spine removal question from yesterday?

What I have observed is opposition by both parties and the resolution passed in the senate leaning toward a lot more than a simple one time punishing strike against Assad. The memory of Iraq lingers large, as well it should.

Not sure how we got from a group spine removal op at the White House to child molestationsee smoothy's constant pedophilia posts. It's like an obsession.

The President punked himself... acting like a petulant kid that had his favorite toy taken away from him at the summit.

Hello again,

Didja hear that Rush Limprod BELIEVES (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/09/obama-planned-syrian-gas-attacks-limbaugh-bodansky)Obama gassed the rebels??? Really...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

The meeting in question took place at Antakya, Hatay Province in Turkey between Aug 13-15 . Involved was a Turkish intel officer ,various ranking members of the FSA (and of the alphabet soup rebel groups ) ,a Brit intel officer , representatives of Qatar ,and a CIA agent sat in on the meeting . A ranking rebel informed the group of an imminent escalation in the fighting due to “a war-changing development” which would, in turn, lead to a US-led bombing of Syria.” This was less than a week before the cw attack.

Was the emperor directly involved ? I doubt it .He appears to be the reluctant warrior ,much like LBJ was before the Gulf of Tonkin ruse.

Natural gas Pipeline in Syria ( why did Quatar give the rebel $3 billion dollars ?)

Guest Post: Is The US Going To War With Syria Over A Natural Gas Pipeline? | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-04/guest-post-us-going-war-syria-over-natural-gas-pipeline)

"Could it be because Qatar is the largest exporter of liquid natural gas in the world and Assad won't let them build a natural gas pipeline through Syria? Of course. Qatar wants to install a puppet regime in Syria that will allow them to build a pipeline which will enable them to sell lots and lots of natural gas to Europe. "

Well, it turns out that Saudi Arabia intends to install their own puppet government in Syria which will allow the Saudis to control the flow of energy through the region.

On the other side, Russia very much prefers the Assad regime for a whole bunch of reasons. One of those reasons is that Assad is helping to block the flow of natural gas out of the Persian Gulf into Europe, thus ensuring higher profits for Gazprom.

Now the United States is getting directly involved in the conflict. If the U.S. is successful in getting rid of the Assad regime, it will be good for either the Saudis or Qatar (and possibly for both), and it will be really bad for Russia. This is a strategic geopolitical conflict about natural resources, religion and money, and it really has nothing to do with chemical weapons at all.

Don't forget the deal that Tehran ,Baghad and Damascus made 2 years ago (about the beginning of the civil war give or take a couple weeks ) to build a pipeline through Syria from the same South Pars field that Qatar and Iran share. And don't forget my previous link where a Saudi Prince sat down with Putin and threatened to either assist them in over throwing Assad in return for Russia's continued control of the supply of energy into Europe ;or they would unleash jihadistan at the Moscow Olympics.

Sounds like Iraq all over again and the secret deals that oil for medicine covered up. Many European nations wanted a deal on Iraqi oil. And the French had a deal in Libya. Lots of intrigue in that part of the world over resources and money.

Now consider the fact Putin punked Obama and he's reacting like a child that's had his feelings hurt into the mix...

He has started a big debate, by rattling his own saber.

Putin has trumped Obama. He has told him the consequences of attacking Syria. It is about time someone told america to mind their own business

Putin has trumped Obama. He has told him the consequences of attacking Syria. It is about time someone told america to mind their own business

Maybe China and Russia need to mind their own business as well... our problem is one half black blohard.

one half black blohard.
Half white

half white

Toe MAY toe... toe MAH toe...

Whether he is a half breed or not, he should have had the opportunity to unite your nation not divide it but the question isn't anything to do with your internal politics, it has to do with who's law rules, the law of international treaties or the law of the jungle. Syria is not bound by any convention on the use of lethal gas so all you can do is expel it from the UN and take such santions as is possible but you can't use lethal force

He had the opportunity... but the man was too stupid to avail himself of it. He acted like a petty thin skinned punk... with a pathological NEED to get revenge for every perceived slight. Which he started before he ever got elected by throwing every reporter that didn't speak glowingly of every word he spoke off the campaign jet.

He acted like a petty thin skinned punk...with a pathological NEED to get revenge for every perceived slight.
No, we certainly don't want to repeat history. Thank goodness, Obama doesn't have to avenge his daddy.

Well he thinks he has to avenge someone

No, we certainly don't want to repeat history. Thank goodness, Obama doesn't have to avenge his daddy.

The whole premise of his political life is based on that premise. I've read 'Dreams From My Father'... his auto-bio ghost written by Bill Ayers . The major factor influencing the emperor's actions and policies is his anti-colonialist mindset, which he inherited from his father. He sees America and just another colonial power that has to be brought down to size.

the whole premise of his political life is based on that premise. I've read 'Dreams From My Father' ....his auto-bio ghost written by Bill Ayers . The major factor influencing the emperor's actions and policies is his anti-colonialist mindset, which he inherited from his father. He sees America and just another colonial power that has to be brought down to size.

He's doing a good job of that.

He's doing a good job of that.

Exactly why stop him

Maybe China and Russia need to mind their own business as well....our problem is one half black blohard.


Would that be a 50/50 split? Perhaps a 65/35, or better still a 60/40.

Why does it matter. The last think any one wants is an extremeist victory in Syria, where we are confused is we don't want a shiite victory either

If the international community balks at condemning the use of gas by Assad, then we have no international community. It's a sham. Even if you are against military intervention, what's stopping leaders across the world from giving voice in strong terms publicly to this atrocity?

If the international community balks at condemning the use of gas by Assad, then we have no international community. Its a sham. Even if you are against military intervention, what's stopping leaders across the world from giving voice in strong terms publicly to this atrocity?

Then why hasn't the emperor taken his case before the UN ? Even in to worse days of the cold war ,when we knew every resolution would get a Soviet veto ,the US would bring up issues like this for debate. Why isn't Kerry there presenting the evidence ?

then why hasn't the emperor taken his case before the UNBut you hate the UN, why do they suddenly matter?

Don't ask me... Tal is the one who made the comment that the international community is a "sham" . I think the UN is a feckless organization . But I thought all those who revere it would at least use it in cases like this . Heck ,even your hated GW Bush had enough of a decent respect to the opinions of mankind that he went before the UN to argue his case for the invasion of Iraq. J F'n Kerry ;when he was a Vietnam war protester ,argued that US troops should never be deployed without UN approval . So I ask again ;why hasn't the emperor taken his case before the UN ?

The Russians are like the conservatives here... obstructionist. But no doubt the Russians will be presented with all kinds of facts. Seems if Putin were the tough guy he wants the world to believe a simple "cool it with the gas you idiot!". Hell he could text that and save us all this BS!!

And Tom this issue is before the UN, and has been for a while but those sissies from the other countries are afraid to rattle a few cages in public.

My question is when will the American people be presented with the FACTS ? Monday Congress is back in session .With or without a resolution the emperor will make a national address on Tuesday to let us know it's bombs away on Wednesday ,Sept 11.

Tom why do you have a government? So that the people you elected can sift the facts and formulate a course of action. You want the people to know everything, but without a vast body of knowledge they can't discern it. BO has decided to place the matter for debate, this is a correct course of action even if failing to abide by a UN decision is not.

You can't do anything in Syria without shifting the balance in favour of the rebels, the very people who are opposed to you. Learn the lesson of Iraq and leave it alone

I don't disagree except you are wrong about Iraq . After VI Day we had an agreement with a duly elected Iraqi government that was not perfect ;but on it's way to power sharing . After we left our security commitments on the table and decided to cut and run ,the current adm had little choice but to court Tehran for protection.

I don't disagree except you are wrong about Iraq . After VI Day we had an agreement with a duly elected Iraqi government that was not perfect ;but on it's way to power sharing . After we left our security commitments on the table and decided to cut and run ,the current adm had little choice but to court Tehran for protection.

More B/S it was obvious that the shiites would reach out to Iran and that was probable in any event, all you did in Iraq was to disturb the balance of power in the ME. You needed Saddam even though he was an embarrassment to keep Iran in check, You gave them Iraq on a platter and embolden them. You were just Saudi lackeys in Iraq and you can't see it.

I stand by what I wrote above . We will never know how things would've worked out if we didn't cut and run. I'll tell you one thing that would be different though .Iran would not be using Iraq as a land route to supply Assad with weapons and Qod forces . I'll tell you something else. There would not be an al Nusra Front in Syria infiltrating into the country from Iraq because by 2008 AQ was defeated in Iraq .

More B/S it was obvious that the shiites would reach out to Iran and that was probable in any event, all you did in Iraq was to disturb the balance of power in the ME. You needed Saddam even though he was an embarrassment to keep Iran in check, You gave them Iraq on a platter and embolden them. You were just Saudi lackeys in Iraq and you can't see it.

OK how about explaining how us going into Iraq was handing the country over to Iran while at the same time we were being lackeys for the Saudis . You contradicted yourself in one paragraph.

by 2008 AQ was defeated in Iraq .
AQ isn't defeatable. It's a stateless, multinational movement and operates like the Energizer bunny.

It was defeated in Iraq and yes it is defeatable .By 2008 there was no safe haven for AQ in Iraq. All we needed to do to maintain that status was to keep the security arrangement we had with the elected government in place.

All we needed to do to maintain that status was to keep the security arrangement we had with the elected government in place.
"elected government"

And that could have been done how?

LOL, a small contingent of 20,000 troops were going to stop Iranians from running through Iraq to Syria?? REALLY!! Marines are good, but not that good. The deal breaker was our guys had to be subject to the Iraqi authority.

So it wasn't cut and run, it was No Way!!

The Obots blew the negotiations.


Yes elected government.. in fact there were 2 successful elections before the emperor's reign. There was power sharing arrangements ,and although the Shia obviously dominated the government , both the Kurd and the Sunnis were represented and had officials appointed and elected at the highest levels of the government.

But now we have a resurgent AQ in Iraq again trying to foment civil war there ,brutalizing the Sunni areas they occupy ;and sending jihadists across the border to fight in Syria.They call themselves al Nusra front . The Obots call them allies.

ok how about explaining how us going into Iraq was handing the country over to Iran while at the same time we were being lackeys for the Saudis . You contradicted yourself in one paragraph.

You were being lackeys by fighting a Saudi war, they feared Saddam, by defeating him you removed the barrier to shiite ascendency in Iraq and obviously Iranian influence. You just don't understand that other nations have entirely different agendas to you

the Obots blew the negotiations.


yes elected government ..in fact there were 2 successful elections before the emperor's reign. There was power sharing arrangements ,and although the Shia obviously dominated the government , both the Kurd and the Sunnis were represented and had officials appointed and elected at the highest levels of the government.

But now we have a resurgent AQ in Iraq again trying to foment civil war there ,brutalizing the Sunni areas they occupy ;and sending jihadists across the border to fight in Syria.They call themselves al Nusra front . The Obots call them allies.

All you are proving is you don't know your arse from your apex

All I know is the people making the decisions on this are busy playing video poker and golf.

Well you might be right the whole thing seems like a plot from a video game

And we STILL haven't heard how John Kerry got out of his one year tour of duty in Vietnam after only 4 months.

And after his anti-war rants after that... why should anyone believe a word he has to say about anything.

But he wants to make amends by leading the country to war from the safety of the White House

but he wants to make amends by leading the country to war from the safety of the White House

Didn't work so well for Obama... and its not going ot work for him either.

Every time someone in the Obama administration opens their mouth about something... they make something worse than it was.

After all... Obama isn't qualified to do much of anything.. except write fiction books... and everyone in his administration thus far has been even less qualified than he is.

And we STILL haven't heard how John Kerry got out of his one year tour of duty in Vietnam after only 4 months.

And after his anti-war rants after that....why should anyone belive a word he has to say about anything.

Kerry threw down the gauntlet... "hand over all your weapons" or face an "unbelievably small" attack... you have one week to comply .

Hello tom:

"hand over all your weapons" or face an "unbelievably small" attack... you have one week to comply .Because it's a teeny, tiny, limited strike, NOT designed to DO anything, is the reason I'm against it..

They oughta send a Tomahawk into Assad's bedroom, and then DESTROY his air force...

Excon

Hello tom:
Because it's a teeny, tiny, limited strike, NOT designed to DO anything, is the reason I'm against it..

They oughta send a Tomahawk into Assad's bedroom, and then DESTROY his air force...

excon

Then the Hammas, Al Queada or Iran backed rebels will take over the country... a fate far worse than Assad for everyone.

Like I've said... there is no good solution here... only worse ones.

Kerry threw down the gauntlet .... "hand over all your weapons" or face an "unbelievably small" attack...you have one week to comply .

Coming from that coward... I bet they are laughing right now...

So we can support these guys .
Report: Saudis sent death-row inmates to fight Syria (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/01/21/saudi-inmates-fight-syria-commute-death-sentences/1852629/)

Russia is trying to get Syria to place their cw stock under international supervision.
Russia calls on Syria to give up control of its chemical weapons (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/09/09/russia-syria/2785703/)

And Kerry speaks 'rhetorically ' .
Kerry speaking rhetorically over Syria turning in weapons: State Department | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/09/us-syria-crisis-weapons-idUSBRE9880GE20130909)

Hello again, smoothy:

The problem with YOU guys, is you have NO idea what's going on over there... Here's a good example... Michelle Bachmann, STILL doesn't know who attacked us on 9/11. Speaking about the Muslim Brotherhood, here's what she said (http://www.smh.com.au/world/michele-bachmann-links-muslim-brotherhood-to-911-backs-egypts-bloody-crackdown-20130909-2tfkv.html)in Cairo the other day,
We are here as members of Congress to say, we are with you, and we encourage you.

We stand against this great evil. We remember who caused 9/11. We remember who it was that killed 3000 brave Americans.Didja see those nut jobs Louie Ghomert and Steve King there too? They're YOUR people, aren't they?

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

Excon

Hello again, smoothy:

The problem with YOU guys, is you have NO idea what's going on over there... Here's a good example... Michelle Bachmann, STILL doesn't know who attacked us on 9/11. Speaking about the Muslim Brotherhood, here's what she said (http://www.smh.com.au/world/michele-bachmann-links-muslim-brotherhood-to-911-backs-egypts-bloody-crackdown-20130909-2tfkv.html)in Cairo the other day, Didja see those nut jobs Louie Ghomert and Steve King there too?? They're YOUR people, aren't they??

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

And I suppose you actually do?

Are you aware the same news YOU watch was telling you Obama never drew a red line... when he has done it no less than 6 times previously... ON Video tape?

And you still believe what they tell you? Bwaaa hahaha...

Has Obbama ever NOT lied about something yet? I have seen ZERO proof that Assad ordered this... and in fact Assad has zero reason to do it... and every reason NOT to do it.

Most of the Lamestream media produces propaganda shows... because an Actual NEWS show would require facts and things to be true... something that is very inconvienint for the propaganda that they want to push on the suckers that believe anything they are told... "because it was on the News...it must be true".

Cripes... the things I have actually seen unfiltered have rarely been portrayed accuratly on the news... why should I believe everything I haven't would be any different?

Kerry threw down the gauntlet .... "hand over all your weapons" or face an "unbelievably small" attack...you have one week to comply .

And that my friends is "leading from behind" with "smart power."

Kerry may yet prove to be the statesman of the hour, finding a solution to military force and escalation of conflict

Kerry may yet prove to be the statesman of the hour, finding a solution to military force and escalation of conflict

What is it they say... about an infinite number monkeys banging away on and infinite number of typewriters eventually typing the collective works of Shakespeare?

Because when he first said that... the administration was saying he misspoke... and then flip-flopped to cover their collective butts.

And it turns out to be a far better IDEA than the Bloviating the POTUS has been spewing lately.

Because when he first said that....the administration was saying he misspoke....and then flip-flopped to cover their collective butts.

What would YOU do?

What would YOU do?

Since you ask... I'd let them kill each other and just make sure it all stays inside their own borders. It's a civil war... we have no national interests in it.

Since you ask.....I'd let them kill each other and just make sure it all stays inside their own borders. Its a civil war....we have no national interests in it.
What about the women and children and old people? Why not put the men in a big room and let them duke it out?

What about the women and children and old people? Why not put the men in a big room and let them duke it out?

I can be a cold hearted SOB sometimes... this is one of those times.

It's their war... let them fight it.

Assad never even threatened us until after OweBama repeatedly threatened him with what are acts of war against a nation that never threatened us.

I can be a cold hearted SOB sometimes... this is one of those times.

It's their war... let them fight it.
I agree. And our getting into won't resolve anything. It will be Iraq all over again.

Assad never even threatened us until after OweBama repeatedly threatened him with what are acts of war against a nation that never threatened us.
And we have been down that road before.

I agree. And our getting into won't resolve anything. It will be Iraq all over again.

And we have been down that road before.Vietnam?

Vietnam?
etc.

etc.

Not really ETC... Grenada there was a reason... Iraq... cease fire agreements... Afghanistan - harboring Al Queda...

Not really ETC.....Grenada there was a reason.....Iraq...cease fire agreements....Afghanistan - harboring Al Queda...
*humming softly to myself*

I watch what's said here and what is my take?someone thinks it's all the fault of men, like women don't take up arms, another says leave them to it, my views exactly, if they aren't interested in protecting their families from conflict, why do we take up the burden. I know because the US whatever the colour of its president must assume the white man's burden, and this is all it is, try to civilise the natives by uncivilised actions. We "Christians", and I use the term advisedly, have been trying to civilise the natives for centuries and where has it got us, at war with the most uncivilised group on the planet, Muslims, or more correctly, because we must always be correct, radical Islam. And when these people want to fight among themselves we still want to interfere, to "guide" the outcome. There used to be a song in the days of Vietnam "

Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?

Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone? Young girls picked them, everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?

Where have all the young girls gone? Long time passing
Where have all the young girls gone? Long time ago
Where have all the young girls gone? Taken husbands everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?

Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?

Where have all the young men gone? Long time passing
Where have all the young men gone? Long time ago
Where have all the young men gone? Become soldiers everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?

Where have all the soldiers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the soldiers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the soldiers gone? Gone to graveyards, everyone
Oh, when will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?

Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Tell me where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?

Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone? Gone to graveyards, everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?

Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Tell me where have all the flowers gone?
Where have all the flowers gone?


Read more: Dolly Parton - Where Have All The Flowers Gone Lyrics | MetroLyrics

I watch what's said here and what is my take?someone thinks it's all the fault of men, like women don't take up arms, another says leave them to it, my views exactly, if they arn't interested in protecting their families from conflict, why do we take up the burden. I know because the US whatever the colour of its president must assume the white man's burden, and this is all it is, try to civilise the natives by uncivilised actions. We "Christians", and I use the term advisedly, have been trying to civilise the natives for centuries and where has it got us, at war with the most uncivilised group on the planet, Muslims, or more correctly, because we must always be correct, radical Islam. And when these people want to fight among themselves we still want to interfere, to "guide" the outcome. there used to be a song in the days of Vietnam "

Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?

Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone? Young girls picked them, everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?

Where have all the young girls gone? Long time passing
Where have all the young girls gone? Long time ago
Where have all the young girls gone? Taken husbands everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?

Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?

Where have all the young men gone? Long time passing
Where have all the young men gone? Long time ago
Where have all the young men gone? Become soldiers everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?

Where have all the soldiers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the soldiers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the soldiers gone? Gone to graveyards, everyone
Oh, when will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?

Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Tell me where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?

Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone? Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone? Gone to graveyards, everyone
When will we ever learn? When will we ever learn?

Where have all the flowers gone?
Where have the flowers gone?
Tell me where have all the flowers gone?
Where have all the flowers gone?


Read more: Dolly Parton - Where Have All The Flowers Gone Lyrics | MetroLyrics

Pete Seeger finished writing that back in 1961.

Pete Seeger finished writing that back in 1961.

And Vietman finished in "65" or was it "75" it was so long ago and in the light of today so unimportant because it achieved nothing which is the point of the song all the soldiers lie in their graves and that is exactly how it will be if there is war over Syria.

Back in those days america was in the grip of puff the magic dragon and what has changed, men dreaming drug induced dreams of glory

and Vietman finished in "65" or was it "75" it was so long ago and in the light of today so unimportant because it achieved nothing which is the point of the song all the soldiers lie in their graves and that is exactly how it will be if there is war over Syria.

back in those days america was in the grip of puff the magic dragon and what has changed, men dreaming drug induced dreams of glory
Maybe '65 for the French... but it was '74 I think it was for us... might have been 75.


I was in the 9th grade and remember the videos on the news as we pulled out of Saigon.

Proof measured responses are the WRONG way to fight a war. You need to fight it to win it or don't bother at all.

I had two Uncles and a Cousin in it (two of them special forces)... and some close friends... excon was actually there.

Maybe '65 for the French...but it was '74 I think it was for us....might have been 75.


I was in the 9th grade and remember the videos on the news as we pulled out of Saigon.

Proof measured responses are the WRONG way to fight a war. You need to fight it to win it or don't bother at all.

I had two Uncles and a Cousin in it (two of them special forces).....and some close friends...excon was actually there.

No it was the fifties for the French, I remember the loss well I missed the Vietnam war, too old for the draft but I knew people who went, screwed them up good. The point of Vietnam is you can't win against a determined population without taking extraordinary measures. Fighting wars on someoneelse's ground is never the way to go. Sometimes it has to be done but not every time.

We have to get out of our heads, get out of the theory and the rhetoric, out of the manipulations and realise that people must be left to their own determination. Syria is not a party to the treaty on chemical weapons therefore unless they are used outside Syria no matter how awful the prospect we stay out of it and not impose our ideas on them. We merrily went about imposing our ideas on Iraq and where did it get us, not very far and certainly not where we wanted to be

Syria and Russia may be agreeing to a plan to turn over its gas stockpile to be destroyed.

Syrian welcomes Russian offer to keep chemical weapons (http://news.msn.com/world/syria-fm-welcomes-russian-offer-to-keep-chemical-weapons?ocid=ansnews11)

Not that I trust Assad or Putin. I still think Congress should authorize a military strike. Just in case we need a credible threat to hold over them and prevent a stall tactic.

It's all about you isn't it, not satisfied with getting a result you have to say my way or the highway after all we have some old tomahawks we want to set off

Its about getting chemical weapons out of the hands of a lying loony madman. Sorry if you hate Americans/Muslims/Asians, blah, blah, so much that the only acceptable outcome is our come up pence.

I am sure you will get over it... or not. Sit safely in your Island paradise, and cry some more about how the NEW people are ruining the country. But we all have our growing pains to contend with.

No You don't get it, even BO says its an acceptable outcome, so It isn't me who is warmongering Tal, but you, and you are out of step with your leader. We would all like the war in Syria to stop but realistically it isn't going to happen the best we can hope for is to quarantine the really nasty stuff

Yes we get the backwash of your wars, tramatised people arriving on our doorstep. If you are so concerned about them take them in, all 42 Million of them. You want others to take responsibility for your mess, correction messes, and yet you want to make this one worse. We don't have the economic resourses to take large numbers of these people and the numbers have been increasing. Maybe you can absorb millions of illegal arrivals in your pseudo slave system, but we can't absorb these increasing numbers and we have recognised it by diverting international aid to fix some local issues after all why should we give a bigger percentage of our income than you do

We have a right to hang out the full sign and be choosy about the thousands we settle here each year. Yes the imports are ruining our country we only have to look at the names of the offenders to see what is happening. We see our own indigenous involved in nuiance offences and the serious offenders come from outside our society. We had an Afghan refugee knife another the other day, way to go in your new country. Middle East gangs deal drugs and shoot up their enemies ah la Lebanon, and smuggle their own kind on leaking boats

Syria and Russia may be agreeing to a plan to turn over its gas stockpile to be destroyed.

Syrian welcomes Russian offer to keep chemical weapons (http://news.msn.com/world/syria-fm-welcomes-russian-offer-to-keep-chemical-weapons?ocid=ansnews11)

Not that I trust Assad or Putin. I still think Congress should authorize a military strike. Just in case we need a credible threat to hold over them and prevent a stall tactic.

1st step would be to admit he has them... which he won't because they are strategic weapons .

I know because the US whatever the colour of its president must assume the white man's burden, and this is all it is, try to civilise the natives by uncivilised actions.
I wish I could say this is total nonsense . But I heard former General Wesley Clark spew similar pablum on the talk show circuit last week. He essentially said that we have to act because the use of cw can't be tolerated in "our world ... the world we created after WWII". Clark was a dangerous person when he was in the Army . He almost single handidy started at war with Russia in the Balkans . He was the commander at Ft Hood when troops from the base were deployed to take down the Branch Davidians.
The good news is that he is the only talking head saying such idiocy .

1st step would be to admit he has them.......which he won't because they are strategic weapons .

I don't think there is any doubt he has them but he says he hasn't used them which is a horse of a different colour. Yes their possession is strategic, for example; it prevents certain large nations from making unwanted incursions

Tom you know I don't talk nonsense, drivel maybe but not nonsense. There is no reason for your nation to involve itsself in Syria. It hasn't attacked your allies and just maybe some of your enemies will exhaust themselves and forget to fight you while they play at a proxy war.

The nervious nellies in Israel would like you to get involved so they don't feel so alone but they can take comfort that an unlikely ally is bottling up Hamas in Gaza.

Meanwhile it is convenient for BO to have your Congress focus on external matters and take their mind of various internal issues

Yes we get the backwash of your wars, tramatised people arriving on our doorstep.

I guess you haven't heard about the refugee camps that are littering the region.


1st step would be to admit he has them... which he won't because they are strategic weapons .

I found it very amusing that right after he told his big whopper the Russians made their proposal. They don't believe him either. Heard Manchin say last night that 45 days to comply with giving up his gas, and sign on to the no gas treaty, or bombs away.

I guess you haven't heard about the refugee camps that are littering the region.



I found it very amusing that right after he told his big whopper the Russians made their proposal. They don't believe him either. Heard Manchin say last night that 45 days to comply with giving up his gas, and sign on to the no gas treaty, or bombs away.

If you look close enough they have Russian serial numbers on the shells.

What cracks me up is that Kerry's throw away line to a reporter's question will be the basis for defusing this (maybe) . By the end of the week ,even though the Russians have taken the lead ,the emperor will have made the idea his own.. no doubt another Nobel Peace Prize is in the offing .

Hello again,

Can you believe it? Obama WON the war in Syria WITHOUT firing a shot. Syria is giving up its WMD's.

excon

Well maybe, but it was Kerry you can thank for the idea although he doesn't want to own it

Hello again,

Can you believe it? Obama WON the war in Syria WITHOUT firing a shot. Syria is giving up its WMD's.

excon

They're buying time.

I don't think this was right off the top of his head, its was probably discussed but dismissed many times already as impossible given the Russians stance through out of this. Oil for weapons is an old game for them.

I don't dismiss totally Syria's ability to retalliate or escalate after an attack, but I do have confidence that her allies will think about further escalation that leaves their butts dangling in the wind.

No way does Russia want to be exposed either, and degrading the air defense of Syria does just that. Foreign service news is saying that defections from Assad is highly likely, and he knows it.

Hello again, Steve:

They're buying time.So, they can ship the WMD's to Iraq?? Isn't that where they came from??

Bwa, ha ha ha.

Excon

No way does Russia want to be exposed either, and degrading the air defense of Syria does just that.

I assure you that IF the US attacks their air defenses ,then the Russian toys will be exposed for what they are .

Hello again, Steve:
So, they can ship the WMD's to Iraq???? Isn't that where they came from???

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

So they can move them into human shield areas .

Hello again,

Dudes... The war is over.. We WON!

excon

They're buying time.

And it's running out faster than they know and I just heard that Syria has agreed to the Russian plan so the UN will probably get a plan/procedure to implement it soon.

What war?. so now there is total peace and calm.. But then except for artillery... Syria was a safer place than Chicago DURING the war.

Yeah we will hand over responsibility to the OPCW . They've done such a fine job doing that anti-proliferation gig. Or even better... hand them over to Russian oversight .

Hello again, Steve:
So, they can ship the WMD's to Iraq???? Isn't that where they came from???

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Not just Syria, so is Obama.

Hello again, tom:

Since WE can't go in, WHO should be in charge? You don't like the UN. You don't like the Russians. But, I'm not interested in what you DON'T like. Tell me what you DO like.

I'm for bombing him still.

excon

I say we round up about 20 million illegal latinos from here... and send them over there to keep an eye on things.

Hello again, tom:

Since WE can't go in, WHO should be in charge? You don't like the UN. You don't like the Russians. But, I'm not interested in what you DON'T like. Tell me what you DO like.

I'm for bombing him still.

excon

Ex relax this is the twenty first century time to solve our problems in a new way. I like the idea of destroying weapons. I know it is counter culture to the US but it is an advance

Hello again, tom:

Since WE can't go in, WHO should be in charge? You don't like the UN. You don't like the Russians. But, I'm not interested in what you DON'T like. Tell me what you DO like.

I'm for bombing him still.

excon

I'm for not doing anything until and if we know it was Assad that made the call ,or even if it was his forces that were responsible.
Even then I am NOT in favor of supporting the alphabet soup of AQ jihadists that make up the vast majority of the so called Free Syrian Army .

What I am in favor of is supporting the refugees and leaving our assets in Jordon to prop up that nation from a possible spill over .

I am in favor of having the ICC slap Assad with a charge of war crimes and then dare him to leave his country for any reason.

I am in favor of continuing to up the pressure on the Iranians to support their legitimate opposition and to end their development of nuclear weaponry .

I am in favor of exploring the possibilities of cooperation with the Russians in combatting our common enemy.. stateless jihadistan .

I am not in favor of combatting them in one battlefield (Afghanistan) while being their allies on another battlefield (Syria) .

ex relax this is the twenty first century time to solve our problems in a new way. I like the idea of destroying weapons. I know it is counter culture to the US but it is an advance

Perhaps the post modern solution is best... that is, the Russians remove the sarin, and the emperor pretends to take credit for it. Before Kerry's convenient throw away line to the reporter ,the Russians dispatched the Nikolai Filchenkov from it's Black Sea fleet .The Filchenkov can carry 300 troops + 1,700 tons of cargo. But what if it sailed empty and has a mission to pick up a special cargo from Syria ?

They could've done this without Kerry's convenient cover of course under the pretext of keeping the stockpile out of the hands of the US allies... the jihadistist (in fact I think that is exactly the way it was supposed to go down).

The exact size of Syria's arsenal is not known with any precision,But estimates have it to be more than 1,000 tons. That means the Filchenkov could transport the entire cw stockpile on a single trip . Putin would gain prestige by removing the possibility of the arsenal falling into the jihadists hands ;and also by being the political "genious" that solved the current crisis.
I am pretty sure that Kerry's off the cuff comment was in fact a orchestrated event to seize the initiative .

Hello again, tom:


I am pretty sure that Kerry's off the cuff comment was in fact a orchestrated event to seize the initiative .Who cares? It DID seize the initiative. It WON the war WITHOUT firing a shot. How great is that?

Excon

Who won what exactly?

Hello again, Steve:

Who won what exactly?
This is not hard. We were about to go to war with Syria over their use of WMD's... But, under the THREAT of being BOMBED, even lightly, Syria decided to RID itself of these WMD's.

Now, I don't know about you. But, that's a VICTORY for our side. I know its hard for you to give one to Obama, and I'm sure you'll spin it otherwise, but he WON. That's just so.

Excon

Obama is probibly having a meltdown he doesn't get to kill a bunch of people to prove his manhood.


And that Putin stole his thunder yet again... how pathetic is that.

But but... before Putin embraced it... the State Dept wasn't willing to take credit for it . They said Kerry spoke "rhetorically" .
Kerry speaking rhetorically over Syria turning in weapons: State Department | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/09/us-syria-crisis-weapons-idUSBRE9880GE20130909)

Hello again, Steve:

This is not hard. We were about to go to war with Syria over their use of WMD's... But, under the THREAT of being BOMBED, even lightly, Syria decided to RID itself of these WMD's.

Now, I dunno about you. But, that's a VICTORY for our side. I know its hard for you to give one to Obama, and I'm sure you'll spin it otherwise, but he WON. That's just so.

excon

Oh, so it's all a done deal, eh? You trust Putin and Assad? I know, you looked in their eyes and got a sense of their souls.

P.S. It's official, Obama has done a complete reversal and is now going to the formerly "paralyzed" "hocus pocus" at the UN to discuss Putin's proposal. He has now, for the time being at least, backed himself out of a hole - which is apparently what it means to lead from behind.

Hello again, Steve:

Oh, so it's all a done deal, eh? Nahhh... It's just begun. But, we're TALKING now, instead of BOMBING. Don't you see the difference?

Excon

Trust but verify, and its only been a day and the reaction of Russia and Syria was to Kerry was to quick to be a snap decision, and they were looking for a face saving way out.

They better use it, while they can, which makes congressional approval of the use of force even more critical in keeping the pressure on Assad, and Russia.

Obama can't put pressure on his own weiner.

Nobody outside the Democrat party takes him serious...






Any more than the mentally unbalanced homelss guy with a loaded gun that lives in the dumpster down the street anyway.

P.S. It's official, Obama has done a complete reversal and is now going to the formerly "paralyzed" "hocus pocus" at the UN to discuss Putin's proposal. He has now, for the time being at least, backed himself out of a hole - which is apparently what it means to lead from behind
Sort of reminds me of the lyrics to that 60's sitcom F-Troop .
A hero who sneezed abruptly seized
Retreat and reversed it to victory.

Hello again, tom:

I don't care if he stumbled into a victory or planned it out. The VICTORY is all that matters. And, who's to say that it WASN'T all planned out, anyway?

excon

Hello again, Steve:
Nahhh... It's just begun. But, we're TALKING now, instead of BOMBING. Don't you see the difference?

excon

But you WANT to bomb the hell out of them. You were for the war before you were against it?

You libs are so confusing.

Nothing confusing about it. Yes we are willing to blow the hell out of them, but now we are talking because they don't want the hell blown out of them.

That's not confusing. Really simple.

Breaking News- Un Security Council holding closed door emergency meeting as 4pm E.T.

Mustr be voting on where they are ordering take-out from.

Mustr be voting on where they are ordering take-out from.
McDonald's just started featuring Mighty Wings yesterday with a choice of nine sauces! I'll bet that's it!

McDonald's just started featuring Mighty Wings yesterday with a choice of nine sauces! I'll bet that's it!

Could be... Pizza Hut doesn't have their Wing Street Wings on sale until tomorrow (those are actually pretty good) $0.60 each on Wednesdays.

So let's assume that this deal goes through... how is Assad now "punished " for crossing the emperor's 'red line' ? Might I suggest a better idea would be to have a war crimes tribunal established to investigate war crimes from both sides ?

Nothing confusing about it. Yes we are willing to blow the hell out of them, but now we are talking because they don't want the hell blown out of them.

That's not confusing. Really simple.

Right, Obama had Assad shaking in his sandals.

Right, Obama had Assad shaking in his sandals.

As he was laughing hysterically.

http://patriotupdate.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Regime-Change.jpg

So while Obama, Pelosi and Kerry are now out proclaiming the admin's brilliance Putin is poking them in the eye.

Russia not keen on U.N. Syria resolution: France's Fabius (http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/russia-not-keen-u-n-syria-resolution-frances-155009322.html)

Yeah, we WON.

The Syria Solution: Obama Got Played by Putin and Assad (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114655/obama-syria-policy-octopus-fighting-itself)

Yes he did, so says the tabloid owned by Obama's 2008 digital campaign strategist.

Peggy Noonan gives a preview of the Emperor's address tonight :

So what will he say? Some guesses.

He will not really be trying to “convince the public.” He will be trying to move the needle a little, which will comfort those who want to say he retains a matchless ability to move the masses. It will make him feel better. And it will send the world the message: Hey, this isn't a complete disaster. The U.S. president still has some juice, and that juice can still allow him to surprise you, so watch it.

He will attempt to be morally compelling and rhetorically memorable. He will probably, like Susan Rice yesterday, attempt to paint a graphic portrait of what chemical weapons do—the children in their shrouds, the suffering parents, what such deaths look like and are. This is not meaningless: the world must be reminded what weapons of mass destruction are, and what the indifference of the world foretells.

He will claim the moral high ground. He will temporarily reserve the use of force and welcome recent diplomatic efforts. He will suggest it was his threat of force that forced a possible diplomatic solution. His people will be all over the airwaves saying it was his deft leadership and steely-eyed threat to use force that allowed for a diplomatic break.

The real purpose of the speech will be to lay the predicate for a retrospective judgment of journalists and, later, historians. He was the president who warned the world and almost went—but didn't go—to war to make a point that needed making.


Get ready for a leak war between Kerry's staff and Hillary Clinton's.
Making Sense of Syria - Peggy Noonan's Blog - WSJ (http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2013/09/10/making-sense-of-syria/)

He will mount the podium in a single bound ,his chin jutting ala Mussolini ,and grandly proclaim his monumental blunders to the world in triumphant tones. His head, swiveling majestically the better to read the ghostwritten speech projected on TOTUS . He will gesture to the left and right ,he will deliver focus group tested talking points .And the Slimes will proclaim his magnificence .
All hail Emperor "0"!! He has brought us peace for our time!!
Neville Chamberlain - Peace in our Time - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO725Hbzfls&feature=youtu.be)

You're good.

Nah he just borrowed it

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nah he just borrowed it

Yeah but it was spot on, except the NY Times didn't give him marks for brilliance. Yet.

It's come to this, Putin lecturing America in the NY Times (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?src=twr&_r=1&).

Thanks to the emperor America has officially been castrated.

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Obama-Syria-Benghazi-500x289.jpg

http://31.media.tumblr.com/9caa9e05c9845e1dc8a0626b1b25e992/tumblr_msmrwn4aj71r54qfqo1_500.jpg

Amazing stuff . Putin is b*tch slapping the emperor worse than Khrushchev did to JFK in Vienna 1961 . But in Kennedy's defense ,this happened in his 1st year . By his 3rd years he stood toe to toe with Khrushchev .
What I don't get is that this Syria gambit by the emperor undermines one of the few foreign policies he has right... the pivot east . I thought he wanted to disengage from the Levant . His 'unbelievably small', 'shot across the bow' ,that is not a 'pin prick', will most likely serve to do the reverse.

Hello again, Steve:

Thanks to the emperor America has officially been castrated.Real Americans don't give a sh!t what that commie KGB bastard has to say.

If you like what he says so much, why don't you move?

Excon

THe GERMAN intelligence agency has proof it was the Rebels and not ASSAD who used the CHemical weapons...

I thought the Germans were our friends.

Hello wrong wingers:

Only in batsh*tcrazy world, would a rebel force gas THEMSELVES.

Step away from TV. It's ROTTING your brains.

excon

Hello wrong wingers:

Only in batsh*tcrazy world, would a rebel force gas THEMSELVES.

Step away from TV. It's ROTTING your brains.

excon

So where are you getting YOUR propaganda from anyway?

I wouldn't trust this administration to put my trash cans out to the street to be picked up.

Hello again, Steve:Real Americans don't give a sh!t what that commie KGB bastard has to say.

If you like what he says so much, why don't you move??

excon

Liked it? It's embarrassing. What part of "Putin is b*tch slapping the emperor worse than Khrushchev did to JFK in Vienna 1961" do you not understand?

Hello again, smoothy:

So where are you getting YOUR propaganda from anyway?That's a very good first step.. The first thing on the way to recovery, is to ADMIT you're propagandized... Good for you...

But, there are SOME of us, who's experience in the world, tell us all we need to know about how it works.

I say again WITHOUT hesitation, rebels DON'T gas themselves. Look. I'm sorry your hatred for Obama is BLINDING you. But, that can be fixed..

Excon

Hello again, Steve:

What part of "Putin is b*tch slapping the emperor worse than Khrushchev did to JFK in Vienna 1961" do you not understand?Here's what I understand. Your continued use of the pejorative "emperor" indicates that you BOUGHT into the b*tch slapping, and thoroughly enjoyed it to boot.

Excon

Hello wrong wingers:

Only in batsh*tcrazy world, would a rebel force gas THEMSELVES.

Step away from TV. It's ROTTING your brains.

excon

Only in batsh*tcrazy world, would a national leader move his missiles and arsenal into schools ,hospitals etc. Only in a batsh*tcrazy world, would a they hide their WMD in a civilian populated area and use their people as human shields.Only in batsh*tcrazy world, would they strap bombs on their kids to use them as martyrs

Hello again, Steve:
Here's what I understand. Your continued use of the pejorative "emperor" indicates that you BOUGHT into the b*tch slapping, and thoroughly enjoyed it to boot.

excon

That's funny coming from a guy who regularly called Bush "dufus," and I know you're not dumb enough to believe Obama has handled this with even the remotest hint of coherence and competence. I also know you understand I don't like my country getting "b*tch slapped" by Russia.

Then you must be in favor of your emperor b'tch slappin' Putin back. That's good.

Then you must be in favor of your emperor b'tch slappin' Putin back. That's good.

Good luck with that. He'll probably hand him another reset button with the wrong word on it, or maybe some DVDs.

Then you must be in favor of your emperor b'tch slappin' Putin back. That's good.

That will happen soon enough to their rusty tin cans tailing our fleet if they decide to try to prevent any action we choose.

that will happen soon enough to their rusty tin cans tailing our fleet if they decide to try to prevent any action we choose.

Maybe sooner if the congress isn't swayed by Putin's rhetoric. Or the UN security council.

If Putin did anything ,it was to reinforce the case of the pro-strike crowd. I think his op-ed, that the Slimes should be ashamed to be a part of ,did nothing to support his position... and I am offended that he would use the American media to insult the American people. He needs to be careful . He does not command the Soviet Union . He commands it's shattered remains . He better watch it or he'll get some American exceptionalism up his keister .

if Putin did anything ,it was to reinforce the case of the pro-strike crowd. I think his op-ed, that the Slimes should be ashamed to be a part of ,did nothing to support his position ....and I am offended that he would use the American media to insult the American people. He needs to be careful . He does not command the Soviet Union . He commands it's shattered remains . He better watch it or he'll get some American exceptionalism up his keister .

Copy that!!

if Putin did anything ,it was to reinforce the case of the pro-strike crowd. I think his op-ed, that the Slimes should be ashamed to be a part of ,did nothing to support his position ....and I am offended that he would use the American media to insult the American people. He needs to be careful . He does not command the Soviet Union . He commands it's shattered remains . He better watch it or he'll get some American exceptionalism up his keister .

Now that I would enjoy.

Hello again, smoothy:
That's a very good first step.. The first thing on the way to recovery, is to ADMIT you're propagandized... Good for you...

But, there are SOME of us, who's experience in the world, tell us all we need to know about how it works.

I say again WITHOUT hesitation, rebels DON'T gas themselves. Look. I'm sorry your hatred for Obama is BLINDING you. But, that can be fixed..

excon

I work in DC... as close too much of this as I can be without actually being on the Federal payrol.

You on the other had are on the other side of the country. You don't see or hear any of this without picking up a newspaper, turning on the radio or TV. And as far as the internet? Anyone can type absolutely anything they want.

Now that I would enjoy.

What you guys are exceptional at is warmongering talk, you talk up a fight to the point where you have to commit yourself otherwise face your own stupidity. Putin called it, you put your pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us and you might think Russia isa spent and shattered force but it still commands a nuclear arsenal and that commands respect.

You have been offered a way out and it was probably cooked up by BO anyway, that's why kerry had the throw awy line, because he found himself undermined

Cry Havoc and let loose the Dogs of the right wing echo chamber.


I work in DC...as close to much of this as I can be without actually being on the Federal payrol.

You on the other had are on the other side of the country. You don't see or hear any of this without picking up a newspaper, turning on the radio or tv. And as far as the internet? Anyone can type absolutely anything they want.


Clearly you are to close to the crap pile of republican vacuum chamber to feel the winds of change. But if water cooler third party gossip is your reality, have at it.

But you can vote for Putin as a RIGHT in candidate in 2014, or 2016, or both.


what you guys are exceptional at is warmongering talk, you talk up a fight to the point where you have to commit yourself otherwise face your own stupidity. Putin called it, you put your pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us and you might think Russia isa spent and shattered force but it still commands a nuclear arsenal and that commands respect.

You have been offered a way out and it was probably cooked up by BO anyway, that's why kerry had the throw awy line, becuase he found himself undermined

You voted for Putin already huh?

BREAKING NEWS

Syria says it ratified treaty banning use of chemical weapons | JPost | Israel News (http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syria-says-it-ratified-treaty-banning-use-of-chemical-weapons-326057)

I find it amusing that Putin thinks he can influence American opinion, doesn't he understand how xenophobic you are? To influence your opinion he must salute the flag at least once a day, recite the pledge once a day, kiss BO butt at least once a week and never ever criticise a decision of the administration, a point of view he fully understands

BREAKING NEWS

Syria says it ratified treaty banning use of chemical weapons | JPost | Israel News (http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syria-says-it-ratified-treaty-banning-use-of-chemical-weapons-326057)

Well there is good news and bad news, we should put this in the good news category although an effective outcome because of it might be years away. However it may be the start of bringing Assad in from the cold

There's more,


Earlier on Thursday, Assad said he would only finalize plans to abandon his chemical arsenal when the US stopped threatening him.

Assad told Russian state television he was ready to take further steps – including handing over information on stockpiles – but added the process would not be completed until Washington stopped its threats.

I thought Obama got punked?

Cry Havoc and let loose the Dogs of the right wing echo chamber.




Clearly you are to close to the crap pile of republican vacuum chamber to feel the winds of change. But if water cooler third party gossip is your reality, have at it.

But you can vote for Putin as a RIGHT in candidate in 2014, or 2016, or both.



You voted for Putin already huh?


I'm too close to it? You support Obamacare and think most people do when in fact an overwhelming majority doesn't by most polls... and its negative numbers are growing... even among democrats.

How well did your polls work for Romney? He listened to the right wing lie machine too. But I digress, and as a simple fact, like Medicare, Social Security, Obama Care will be rolled out successfully and plug the holes in the safety net for the lower incomed financially challenged amongst us, and you and Ted Cruz and his hero Jessie Helms can do NOTHING!!

Get with the program and quit squealing 'cause there ain't going to be no repealing!!

How well did your polls work for Romney? He listened to the right wing lie machine too. But I digress, and as a simple fact, like Medicare, Social Security, Obama Care will be rolled out successfully and plug the holes in the safety net for the lower incomed financially challenged amongst us, and you and Ted Cruz and his hero Jessie Helms can do NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!

Get with the program and quit squealing 'cause there ain't gonna be no repealing!!!!!!!!

Rant all you want... it doesn't change the fact Obama has ruined this country... for everyone... there are fewer people actually working today than 5 years ago.. despite a larger population...

Where is this recovery you guys claim is happening... why are there fewer people in the work force every month?


And never mind the fact not even a majority of DEMOCRATS want or like Obamacare...


Which of you wants to be called "Baghdad Bob"?

Nice Rant yourself. :D. Okay I concede you are much better at ranting than I am :) But you probably know that already.

How easily you are diverted to domestic issues, can't keep the international ball in play and this is why you have ignored Syria for two years until it became convenient to divert attention from domestic issues and run Syria strike up the flagpole. What I see is no one salutes it but it has been useful in forcing an outcome, so maybe BO deserves that Peace Prize after all, perish the thought

How easily you are diverted to domestic issues, can't keep the international ball in play and this is why you have ignored Syria for two years until it became convenient to divert attention from domestic issues and run Syria strike up the flagpole. What I see is no one salutes it but it has been useful in forcing an outcome, so maybe BO deserves that Peace Prize afterall, perish the thought

Naw... he didn't deserve it then... and he doesn't deserve it now. And he is so mind numbingly incompetent along with everyone in his administration, no way can they even bumble into anything in the future.

Well he may be a stumblebum but he has strange bedfellows, Putin has stumbled his way into importance using BO as a foil

well he may be a stumblebum but he has strange bedfellows, Putin has stumbled his way into importance using BO as a foil

I don't think Putin stumbeled into it... Kerry blurted something out... was chastised by everyone else for it... Putin saw the fumble grabbed the ball and ran into the end zone. (Football analogy) and scored a touchdown.


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well he may be a stumblebum but he has strange bedfellows, Putin has stumbled his way into importance using BO as a foil

The majority of Americans do not want to intervene in a conflict where we find no good guys to support. However ,I'm not about to take it seriously when a creating like Vladdy Putin attempts to lecture us about the use of "brute force" or of "international law"... Maybe others forget ,but I clearly remember his solution to Chechnya. Here is an image of Grozny for those who forget .

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w-hOOOVUa6o/Tqtr-CL0DkI/AAAAAAAABp4/owiCEQg4n2M/s1600/grozny%2B%25281%2529.jpg

Russia's destruction of Grozny - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaFrCy9HTOM)

So he can spare me the lectures .

And he is so mind numbingly incompetent along with everyone in his administration


This is what the emperor's supporter Joe Klein wrote :


He willingly jumped into a bear trap of his own creation. In the process, he has damaged his presidency and weakened the nation's standing in the world. It has been one of the more stunning and inexplicable displays of presidential incompetence that I've ever witnessed
Obama and Syria: Stumbling Toward Damascus | TIME.com (http://swampland.time.com/2013/09/11/obama-and-syria-stumbling-toward-damascus/)

Hello again,

Let me see.. We were about to start BOMBING the Syrians over their use of chemical weapons... Now, we're NOT going to bomb them, and they're NOT going to use their chemical weapons any more...

Now, you may call that incompetence, but I call it a VICTORY.

excon

What this did was hand victory to Assad on a silver platter . I thought you wanted him gone. Have you not noticed that he again has unleashed his air assets against the rebels and the civilian areas the rebels control ? The emperor didn't win .This is not victory . All it is is a cover for the emperor to vote present .
Like smoothy said ;Putin has picked up his football. Now he is escorting the US out of the ME . He has also single-handidly obstructed any negotiated settlement to the civil war by blocking one initiative after another in the UNSC .

Hello again, tom:

I wouldn't expect you or your pal smoothy to give this president ANY credit for ANYTHING... That changes NOTHING about the tremendous VICTORY he just achieved.

And, I don't care if he backed into it or not..

excon

Ex, the emperor got played and now Assad and Putin have the upper hand. This was no victory.

Hello again,

Lemme see.. We were about to start BOMBING the Syrians over their use of chemical weapons... Now, we're NOT going to bomb them, and they're NOT going to use their chemical weapons any more...

Now, you may call that incompetence, but I call it a VICTORY.

excon

Yes Ex it is an piric victory, but it hasn't done anything for the Syrians, diplomacy, albeit gunboat diplomacy, has won the day, BO has another plaudit for his memiois and he can sink slowly into the sunset knowing he has done something, but the great circle moves on and Kerry looks like a candidate again, even if he has a foot in his mouth, you and I both know what was lost here and in my book loss doesn't equal victory, this is not Mission Accomplished

He got what he went after, stopping Assad from using chemical weapons. He also got the UN involved in a bigger way. Didn't fire a shot, or send any troops. Not good enough for you guys though.

Oh the lefties are trying to pretend the administrations was always on board with Kerrys off the cuff comment.

There is ample video of them saying the opposite.

John Kerry under fire for 'unbelievably small' comment - Tal Kopan - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/syria-john-kerry-unbelievably-small-comment-96461.html?ml=al_1)

Sometimes you take the lucky breaks and get good results. Wouldn't you?

Sometimes you take the lucky breaks and get good results. Wouldn't you?

Then should just admit it instead of lie and try to cover up things... which is standard practice for this corrupt administration.

Righty's never admit to being wrong, so why would you expect anyone else to? Especially since the president is wrong on everything in your eyes.

Is their anything you guys won't squeal about?

Only the few here ,and Andrew Sullivan are promoting this fiction that it represents anything resembling a victory. Read the Joe Klein article . Read Maureen Dowd. The lefties are bailing ship on this incompetent community organizer turned CIC .

Can face the fact your guys got caught in yeat another serioes of lies... just like Benghazi...

And trying to claim victory after getting punked by Putin...

Your guys screwed up Tal... and got caught yet again, just admit it... you can't spin the truth into some some other fantasy.

Or are we about to hear for the 2 Billionth time... how this is really Bushes fault?

Why blame Bush when the problem is the right wing republicans?

Hello again, wrong wingers:

Let me see if I get this right.. Obama threatens to strike Syria over its use of chemical weapons. Upon BEING threatened, Syria agrees to GIVE UP its chemical weapons..

And, you call that a DEFEAT...

Boy, oh boy, oh boy... We're in more trouble than I thought..

excon

I neither called it defeat or victory . The only thing that you KNOW has happened is that Assad admitted to having them ;and is now in the process of moving them . He has not agreed to anything . What Putin has claimed he agreed to is to have international supervision of his cw in return to a guarantee that the US will not strike.
Meanwhile his air assets are again being decisive . Sounds like a victory for Assad and even more for Putin who is claiming the influence for his nation that the emperor is ceding .

Hello again, wrong wingers:

Lemme see if I get this right.. Obama threatens to strike Syria over its use of chemical weapons. Upon BEING threatened, Syria agrees to GIVE UP its chemical weapons..

And, you call that a DEFEAT...

Boy, oh boy, oh boy... We're in more trouble than I thought..

excon

Obama was ready to start WW3 in Syria (who never threatened us much les attacked us until Obama threatened to commit an act of war) ust to distract everyone from Benghazi, the IRS and Fast and furious scandlal investigations... this has nothing to do with chemical weapons.

Hello again, tom:

He has not agreed to anything

Uhhh, Yes, he has. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/syria-accepts-proposal-to-surrender-chemical-weapons_n_3898941.html)

Excon

Righty's never admit to being wrong, so why would you expect anyone else to? Especially since the president is wrong on everything in your eyes.

Is their anything you guys won't squeal about?

Dude, you're in denial. Other than a few diehards it's pretty universally agreed, including by people Chris Tingly Matthews, that Obama's handling of Syria has been a disaster. And that's putting it mildly from some of things I've seen.

Obama's handling of Syria has been a disaster.
And starting WWIII would have been a disaster too.

Hello again, tom:


Uhhh, Yes, he has. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/syria-accepts-proposal-to-surrender-chemical-weapons_n_3898941.html)

excon

And then he promptly moved the goalpost (http://news.yahoo.com/assad-syria-fulfil-chemical-weapons-initiative-u-ends-155433528.html).

And starting WWIII would have been a disaster too.

Was I hoping for WWIII or something?

Hello again, Steve:

Obama's handling of Syria has been a disaster.And, yet, he WON! Whoda thunk it?

Excon

Was I hoping for WWIII or something?
You were waiting on the sidelines.

Hello again, tom:


Uhhh, Yes, he has. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/10/syria-accepts-proposal-to-surrender-chemical-weapons_n_3898941.html)

excon

9/10 is old news. The proposal has been revised with provisos regarding US guarantees to not attack.

You were waiting on the sidelines.

We're all waiting for a leader and so far, Putin seems to be winning that race.

Hello again, Steve:
And, yet, he WON! Whoda thunk it?

excon

As I said, and then Assad promptly moved the goalpost (http://news.yahoo.com/assad-syria-fulfil-chemical-weapons-initiative-u-ends-155433528.html). Although I got to say it is amusing watching you fly the "mission accomplished" banner.

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know what's so hard about stuff to understand... Getting the agreement was the HARD part. Working out the details should be EASY. Oh, it'll have little bumps along the way, and you'll call them defeats, of course.. But, he WON. The details WILL be worked out.

You DO know that when HE wins, WE win. Actually, as a committed right winger, you DON'T know that, do you?

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno what's so hard about stuff to understand... Getting the agreement was the HARD part. Working out the details should be EASY. Oh, it'll have little bumps along the way, and you'll call them defeats, of course.. But, he WON. The details WILL be worked out.

You DO know that when HE wins, WE win. Actually, as a committed right winger, you DON'T know that, do you?

excon

Forgive me for not jumping on the "mission accomplished" bandwagon just yet, all I see is Obama just got punked by Putin and Assad and the administration has sunk so low as to embrace indecisiveness as a virtue (http://cdn.rollcall.com/news/decisiveness_overrated_white_house_thinks_yes-227585-1.html?popular=true&pos=hftxt&cdn_load=true&zkPrintable=1&nopagination=1) in the leader of the free world.

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno what's so hard about stuff to understand... Getting the agreement was the HARD part. Working out the details should be EASY. Oh, it'll have little bumps along the way, and you'll call them defeats, of course.. But, he WON. The details WILL be worked out.

You DO know that when HE wins, WE win. Actually, as a committed right winger, you DON'T know that, do you?

excon

The goal Ex was not to get an agreement, the goal was to punish the use of weapons BO told him not to use, so the victory, if there is one, is Assad's. He used the weapons, got told he was a naughty boy, and he had to give up his toys, so he said yes. But what you don't acknowledge is yes, but later, when I'm sure you are not going to hit me

The goal Ex was not to get an agreement, the goal was to punish the use of weapons BO told him not to use, so the victory, if there is one, is Assad's. He used the weapons, got told he was a naughty boy, and he had to give up his toys, so he said yes. but what you don't acknowledge is yes, but later, when I'm sure you are not going to hit me
Taking toys away from him (and the message also from everyone else) is better than beating him bloody. Or do you like bloody?

Hello again, clete:

The goal Ex was not to get an agreement, the goal was to punish the use of weapons BO told him not to useHow do YOU know what the goal was? All I know, is that he WON... And, he WON BIG!

Excon

So you think BO is devious enough to cry wolf so that Assad will give up his weapons, the one thing that gives him real advantage and a barganing chip, do you think he doesn't remember daffy who gave up his atomic program, etc and look where it got him a cruise missile where it hurts the most. Assad has agreed if BO backs down, but we are still hearing the same tune from Kerry.

What I see here is the debate has moved from outright aggression to conciliation, the bluff has worked but only because Assad has other problems and he doesn't need another enemy and now the hard part is how to enforce it without troops on the ground

You're right, we don't know what the goal was because Obama had given us "one of the more stunning and inexplicable displays of presidential incompetence that I’ve ever witnessed."

Obama and Syria: Stumbling Toward Damascus | TIME.com (http://swampland.time.com/2013/09/11/obama-and-syria-stumbling-toward-damascus/)

I'm having a hard time believing your really that duped about some alleged victory.


















Have us have a sneaking suspicion you're going to be eating crow.

Ex doesn't eat crow he just ducks and we don't hear from him for a while

Hello again,

I don't need my president to tell me he got a great victory... With my own two eyes, I can see it..

Look. If I'm in a fight, and before I can land a blow, the other guy trips on the carpet and cracks his head on the fireplace, I won. I don't care that I did NOTHING, I won.

Now, I don't know IF the scenario was scripted or not.. I believe I read where tom thinks it was.. But, that's a detail that matters NOT. A victory was achieved EVEN if it wasn't supposed to. What interests me is the VICTORY, not how it was achieved.

excon

Putin is who won... Obama got punked...

Hello again, smoothy:

Putin is who won... Obama got punked... Let's review, shall we? Obama THREATENED to strike Syria because of their use of chemical weapons.. UPON being threatened, Syria AGREES to give them up, and YOU call that a defeat.

Like I said earlier, this crazy world I live in just got crazier, and then even crazier than that..

Excon

Kerry opened his mouth... got chewed out for doing it, ON VIDEO TAPE SEVERAL TIMES... Putin caught wind of what he said and knowing how the administration publicly admonished Kerry for it... then because of that Putin forced then to make a 180 degree flip flop and try to pretend it was their plan all along...

Yeah... only a democrat can call that a win.

In case you haven't noticed no one has won, the Syrian civil war goes on and people are dying and they don't see a victory. I'm harkened to the movie Troy and the discussion between Achillies and Agammendon and Achillies says apparently you won some great victory today. Now what we have is BO playing Agammendon to Putin's Achillies

They can film Obama falling head over heels down the stairs... and Democrats would be proclaiming how gracefully he descended down the stairs.

Let's review . First the emperor stumbles badly by declaring a red line that he has no intention of enforcing ( an air campaign will not eliminate Assad's capacity to use cw in the future... only direct commitment to regime change would achieve that ) .The emperor then says he'll use force by executive authority after cw was used by one of the parties in the conflict.. . then he takes a walk in the Rose Garden and says he wants Congressional approval because that's the Constitutional way to proceed... then he says he will use his executive authority to attack regardless of what Congress decides.
Then JF Kerry makes an unbelievably stupid gaff that undermines everything the emperor has said . (btw I floated the possibility of orchestration because I did not think even Kerry would be stupid enough to stumble so badly... subsequent events ,like his being completely ill-prepared to articulate a coherent policy at Geneva this week convinces me that nothing of the sort happened... even as the emperor tries to spin it that he and Vladdy discussed it at the G-20. )
Then Putin ,recognizing this error and leaps on the opportunity to introduce HIS initiative . Then after Syria goes along with Putin's opening gambit ,and the emperor is forced to postpone his attack ,Putin starts adding provisos that the plan is conditional to guarantees that the emperor will not unleash American might on the Assad regime... knowing that preventing American attacks on Syrian air assets guarantees a victory for the Assad regime in the civil war.
So where do we stand today ? Kerry is getting mocked by his counterpart in the Kremlin ,Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who told Kerry he talks too much . There is no guarantees on the table that indicate that the Syrians will dismantle their cw program. Nothing even close... in fact just the opposite has happened . Assad has used the time to move his cw from known locations to unknown locations throughout the regime controlled strongholds. He has renewed his air campaign against the rebels . This reversal by the emperor may in fact be the decisive moment where the Syrian civil war is won by the regime and his patrons in Moscow and Tehran.
Meanwhile the emperor will never get Congressional approval to strike further weakening his position here ,at Geneva ,and at the UN .
Best guess at this point is that the US ,Russia and China make a face saving deal in the UNSC for the introduction of UN inspectors to inspected closed and abandoned facilities in Syria and declare Assad's weapons accounted for. The US will continue to arm AQ ,jihadists and other cut throats and keep the civil war ongoing indefinitely . Another 100,000 Syrians will die from conventional weapons and other war crimes and atrocities.

Another 100,000 Syrians will die from conventional weapons and other war crimes and atrocities.

I think you got this part right the rest is conjecture with a small measure of truth. What has emerged here is that Putin is more adept at diplomacy than we thought and Kerry incrediably stupid, even the Russians are laughing

I think it is time to hand in your world policeman badge and take a job in local security

They obviously watch our politics closer than we watch their's is my take on this, and know us better than we know them. Ever here the old saying about he who has the last laugh, laughs best?

The UN is involved now and as soon as Syria signs on the dotted line they become subject to international law which is quite comprehensive and our rockets and ships are going nowhere. Obama and Kerry rattled a very sharp saber that got attention so laugh if you want to. Russia and Syria are not. They are scrambling with a false face of bravado, that hides true fear the US will undermine Assad military and change the tide of war.

Enjoy your box seat in the peanut gallery, and the luxury of squealing and criticism free of charge. This is just getting started.

Excellent move by Putin to cover Syria's butt and how I have always said. Russia could have at any point whispered "cool it" in Assad's ear at any time in the past.

Did you know Tom, as a signatory to the ban on CW, any country can challenge Assad's assertions that he has turned all his weapons over? And the safest place to conduct these inspections is in Russian controlled area by the sea, or aboard a Russian cargo ship. Indeed, Putin has assumed a responsibility that quiet as its kept is what the Russians wanted.

Assad has a week to reveal his stockpile, and inspections starting in November. The president said this morning the military will remain ready to act at any violations going forward.

There is zero chance to get full disclosure in a week. If we peddle that then we are a major player in Kabuki theater... or maybe that threat of bombing was the Kabuki . Only in the theater of the absurd does rhetorical gaffs like 'red line' ,and Kerry's hypothetical become the basis of policy .

Hello again, tom:

I agree. It's NOT the way to run foreign policy... Yet, a victory is a victory, even if you backed into it.

excon

PS> I'll just add that given our problems over there, (two wars LOST) and given the Arab Spring, NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY had a realistic policy to deal with it. Yes, that INCLUDES right wingers. It's EASY to shoot bullets from where you're standing, but you're guys have NO answer either.

Rand Paul wants to attack Syria, or doesn't. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/12/colbert-takes-on-rand-pauls-syria-incoherence-and-slumbering-wombat-hairstyle/) He wants to KILL Assad, or doesn't. Putin is a good guy, or not... He's mixed up FAR more than Obama is.

excon

Tom, when will you learn that flexibility is our foreign policy seeing as we have no control over the tribal civil wars in the rest of the world. All we can do is influence who we can for a better outcome for our and our allies interests.

I know you guys never negotiate, or compromise your principles(?) but that hasn't worked well for us here at home, so I say since a road map to diplomacy has presented itself, lets work with what we got, since that's all we got, by design or luck. The one week deadline is but a starting point and I think if nothing else Obama and Kerry have much experience negotiating with those that use obstruction and delay as a tactic.

Thanks wingers, you have taught the prez well about dealing with insincere and intransigent partners.

I'm still wondering what we won. Putin kicked Obama's a$$.

Wishful thinking, Obama got Putin off his A$$ and involved, hell he got everybody off the sidelines, and involved. It's you guys making that a$$hole a hero.

Hello again, Steve
I'm still wondering what we won.Let me see if I can help.. We were headed for WAR, and now we're not. That's a WIN. Assad gassed his people, and now he's not. That TOO is a WIN. In fact, he's going to give his weapons up, and that's CLEARLY a WIN.

Look. Your hatred for the black guy in the White House will absolutely PREVENT you from acknowledging the OBVIOUS victory, no matter what the facts are on the ground.. All I can do is gently prod you back to reality.

Excon

PS> I must say, that the depths of right wing HATE goes beyond that which even I could imagine... Never did I think I'd see the day when the right wing would PRAISE a murdering commie sonofab1ch (Grozny), over our own president...

If YOU'RE not embarrassed to do that, I'm embarrassed for you.

Hello again, wrong wingers and traitors:

Do I need to REMIND you about this murderer that you guys now LOVE?? Well, I'm going to. You NEED to be embarrassed, and I'm just the one to DO it.

Thanks, tom..

Tom, when will you learn that flexibility is our foreign policy seeing as we have no control over the tribal civil wars in the rest of the world. All we can do is influence who we can for a better outcome for our and our allies interests.
Here is the real issue. After Clintoon got a guilty conscious over not intervening in Rwanda ;the Clintonoids ;with the help of George Soros' Open Society Institute came up with this doctrine of responsibility to protect (R2P) . That is the basis of all the emperor's thinking .It has nothing to do with flexibility and it certainly has nothing to do with realpolitik . Ex speaks of the Arab Spring . The truth is that we have had a policy of supporting the worse kind of jihadists in every country where there has been an uprising . The sad truth is that the only nation that was worthy of us giving support to opposition to the regime was Iran. In that case the emperor ignored the moral outrages of the 12er's and turned the other way when the opposition begged for our non-military assistance .
The correct US position in Syria is to not get involved .

While I think your extrapolation of policy is a bit muddled, I am curious what we should have done in Iran?

The fall of dictators through out the Arab nations is a process in progress even if you don't like the various factions that have emerged, or the reaction to them as the factions jockey for positions they have never had before.

It will be the same in Syria, if he holds power, which in the longer run, I doubt, but for now, you better wait and see what develops before you play a losing hand. Democracies are messy, or have you forgotten our own progression to a better union.

The Arab spring nations are novices at establishing a fair rule of law, considering they have spent generations being told how to live and think with brutal consequences for disobedience.

even if you don't like the various factions that have emerged especially the ones that attacked us on 9-11-01 and 9-11-12... killed our ambassador ,stormed and over ran our embassies ;and have sent terrorists to kill Americans in America . What I find curious is why it's US policy to arm them .

Now what should we have done in Iran ? We should've openly and vocally supported them instead of being silent .We should've covertly and openly support the Green Movement . We should've provided them with sat. phones so that they could send the truth of what was happening for the rest of the world to see. Unlike the Arab spring nations , Iran has a young, educated, and politically active population with a large middle class that wants to be part of the global community. Revolution is ripe .The US should've taken those images of suppression and broadcast them for the world the see. Instead ,we had to look deep into the bowels of the internet to find any information of the vibrant movement ;and the brutal crack down. Why did the US press not make it the subject of daily updates like they did in Egypt ? It could've been a game changer. But we did nothing to help . The leaders of the Green Revolution sent a memo to the emperor in 2009 begging for US help... not weapons ,but financial .We turned a deaf ear to their pleas. There was no call for the Mahdi-Hatter or any of the mullahs to step down like what happened in Egypt .
Instead ;the adm secretly was holding negotiations with Tehran because it is no secret that the emperor would love to go there and hold a Nixonian style trip for a "detente".

FYI, I'm not hating on Obama, just admitting to reality. Ex and tal have a lot more faith in Putin and Assad than I do.

I have no faith in either speaking for myself, and would keep whatever pressure I could on Putin, to keep pressing Assad for compliance.

Yes Tal we must make sure he complies but with Russia in the mix he is far more likely too, still the real outcome is still a way off, but BO has got the attention off issues like Bengazhi

Whose "boots on the ground " will secure Syria's wmd ? Assad has been moving his arsenal in the last week. Are we to believe that Assad will be truthful in his declaration of his weapons; and will give “immediate and unfettered” access to OPCW inspectors. As I recall ,the last time inspectors were there they took sniper fire... allegedly from the regime forces .
There is no UNSC or General Assembly resolution backing this agreement up ,so the enforcers have to be the US and /or Russia . So I ask again... whose troops back this agreement up ?

Its probably fair to say the CW he has stashed can be moved yet again to a secure place for inventory, but what's lost in this is the signing on to the rather extensive treaty which binds him to a specific process. How well he complies with that process is what will matter going forward.

Its not a matter of having boots on the ground, looking for his stash, he is the one who has to make his stash available for inspection, and inventory.

whose "boots on the ground " will secure Syria's wmd ? Assad has been moving his arsenal in the last week. Are we to believe that Assad will be truthful in his declaration of his weapons; and will give “immediate and unfettered” access to OPCW inspectors.? As I recall ,the last time inspectors were there they took sniper fire....allegedly from the regime forces .
There is no UNSC or General Assembly resolution backing this agreement up ,so the enforcers have to be the US and /or Russia . So I ask again ....whose troops back this agreement up ?

You know the answer to that Tom you want the job done you are going to have to do it, but hey, the nuclear reduction treaty was honoured without bloodshed so maybe there is hope

Nah this reminds me more of the Iran and NORK nuke process . Stall, negotiate, stall, threaten, negotiate, breakthrough except for one little detail ,deal collapses ,wash ,rinse ,repeat.

Its on going process Tom, and if countries like our own take years, and decades to reach solutions just imagine how long it takes when you don't even have the semblance of governing structure to facilitate progress or course correction.

The process is seldom smooth and easy, even after two hundred fifty years of tweaking. If we had our own civil war, why are you surprised that others will too?

What are we talking about ;nation building or the proliferation of WMD ?
My comments above were about the cw issue ;and you are not correct that time is on our side .
Regarding Syrian nation building... American interests are what we should be concerned about... and I see no interest in supporting either the brutal dictatorship of Assad ,and his Iranian patrons ,or the cut throat jihadists and their Salafist patron Sheiks ,and the nut in Turkey trying to restore the Ottoman Empire.

What are we talking about ;nation building or the proliferation of WMD ?
My comments above were about the cw issue ;and you are not correct that time is on our side .
Regarding Syrian nation building ....American interests are what we should be concerned about ....and I see no interest in supporting either the brutal dictatorship of Assad ,and his Iranian patrons ,or the cut throat jihadists and their Salafist patron Sheiks ,and the nut in Turkey trying to restore the Ottoman Empire.
So then what? Blow them all away? And then what?

I'm not the one advocating using force. If there is no US interest then why are we arming the jihadists ?

All the rebels are not Jihadists. Its important to differentiate between the many factions loosely knit that make up the rebel forces. The moderate nationals in the rebel coalition has little choice but to arm their less popular forces around the country.

Its not like they can draft the best and brightest, or refuse the help against the common enemy.

I see nothing good coming out of there . This resembles the Spanish Civil War . Yes there were real nationalists in that conflict too. But the thing most remembered about the war was that Spain was used as a proxy war by outside forces in preparation for a larger conflict in the near future.

Tom If you stay out of the Syrian war it will not escalate. This is not a proxy for your war with Iran. You cannot arm jihadists and say we are righteous because the legitimate government has used force. This is a war between two undersirable groups. There is no american interest unless you see exclusion of the Russians from the mediterrainan an american interest, or you think that by helping jihadists you are ultimately helping Israel. In your own civil war everyone else stayed out and you ultimately resolved it

Anyone who thinks our intervention is helping Israel has not thought it through . Israel has not been attacked by a "state" since 1973 . Israel has had to fight against non-state,or failed state attacks frequently . Creating another failed state or 2 (Jordon) will not be in Israel's best interest .

Yes you and I agree on that and we should agree that if you stay out of it there might be a result which isn't another jihadist state