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cbear12345
Aug 21, 2013, 05:45 AM
On my assignment I am really struggling with this question...
Bones A and B are x and y thousand years old respectively. A Geiger Counter confirms that Bone A contains 3 times as much C-14 as Bone B. What can you say about the ages of Bones A and B. Justify your answer
The equation used is
a=15.3 x 0.886^t
Thank you in advanced
ebaines
Aug 21, 2013, 06:00 AM
You can set up an equation for the ratio of C14 for bone A and bone B:
a_A = 15.3(0.866)^{t_A}, \ a_B = 15.3 (0.866)^{t_B} \\
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\frac {a_A}{a_B} = 3 = \frac {15.3(0.866)^{t_A}}{15.3 (0.866)^{t_B}}
Now you can manipulate this using logarithms to get an expression for t_A - t_B. Post back with what you find and we'll help if you get stuck.
cbear12345
Aug 21, 2013, 06:26 AM
I am not sure why you have the 3 awkwardly placed in that last line, like I know its times 3 but why is it there? Also do I use lo law and bring the ta and tb to the front?
Thank you so much for your help
ebaines
Aug 21, 2013, 06:47 AM
The 3 isn't awkward - it's the ratio of C14 in Bone A (which I called " a_A") to the amount in Bone B. Thus a_A/a_B = 3.
cbear12345
Aug 21, 2013, 06:51 AM
Oh okay, I understand
So then where do I go from there?
ebaines
Aug 21, 2013, 06:57 AM
Hint: take the log of both sides of the equation.
cbear12345
Aug 21, 2013, 07:03 AM
I think I have it...
I got the answer
Ta/Tb=14.893
Is that correct?
ebaines
Aug 21, 2013, 07:12 AM
I think I have it....
I got the answer
Ta/Tb=14.893
Is that correct?
No, not correct. Please show us the steps you took to get this and we can see where you went wrong.
cbear12345
Aug 21, 2013, 07:14 AM
ln3=ln15.3(0.886)^ta / ln15.3(0.886)^tb
ln3=ta13.5558/tb13.5558
ln3 x 13.5558= ta/tb
hope that makes sense
ebaines
Aug 21, 2013, 07:20 AM
First step is wrong. It's not true that
\ln(\frac x y) = \frac {\ln(x)}{\ln(y)}
Instead note that the 15.3 coefficients cancel out, and use the identity:
\ln(\frac x y) = \ln(x) - \ln(y)
cbear12345
Aug 21, 2013, 07:33 AM
ahhh true
so is it
ln3=ta-tb
ebaines
Aug 21, 2013, 07:45 AM
Getting closer, but you left out the 0.866 factor...