Restricted or forbidden/outlawed?

Texas' SB5 is not a ban, it has all the exceptions the abortion lovers demand - but I've already said that at least twice before.

You SAY it's for a woman's safety but where does she go for service after you close the only place she can afford to go?

Used to be that the left said abortion was needed so the women wouldn't have to go to back alley substandard places.
My have times changed !

Texas' SB5 is not a ban, it has all the exceptions the abortion lovers demand - but I've already said that at least twice before.
So why are all the clinics being closed?

So why are all the clinics being closed?

No clinics are being closed, they'll be subject to the same standards as any other ambulatory surgery center and they'll have a year to comply.

No clinics are being closed, they'll be subject to the same standards as any other ambulatory surgery center and they'll have a year to comply.
What about a pregnancy that is discovered, after 20 weeks, to contain a non-thriving fetus?

What about a pregnancy that is discovered, after 20 weeks, to contain a non-thriving fetus?

Is IUGR a death sentence now ?

is IUGR a death sentence now ?
It could be for the mother and why should she carry a dead or very ill-formed baby to term?

It could be for the mother and why should she carry a dead or very ill-formed baby to term?

If her health is threatened there is an exception.

Well let's put it this way... an IUGR infant has close to a 50% chance of survival . I don't know what the risks to the mother is ;but that is largely irrelevant since no one has said that a mother should take a baby to term if her life is at risk.
An abortion leaves an infant zero % chance of survival. So no ;I don't think that is a legitimate reason by itself . Many underweight babies have been born and thive.

If her health is threatened there is an exception.
So she won't have to carry a dead or non-viable baby for five more months? An abortion would be allowed?

is IUGR a death sentence now ?

Without the proper prenatal care yes it is. As are many other thing that can happen during a pregnancy.

FYI, the Texas House passed it's save the children and protecting women's health bill, with 5 Democrats joining. Meanwhile, it's (not unexpectedly) come to this...


CBO: 20+ Week Fetuses Aborted at Rate of 30 Per Day; Saves Money for Government-Run Health Care (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-20-week-fetuses-aborted-rate-30-day-saves-money-government-run-health-care)

(CNSNews.com) - Unborn babies who have reached at least 20 weeks of age in utero are aborted at a rate of about 30 per day in the United States, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

The CBO has also concluded that aborting babies at 20 weeks or later in pregnancy saves money for the government-run federal-state Medicaid system.

...

“CBO expects that most women who would be affected by H.R. 1797 would seek earlier abortions,” said CBO. “But how many women would do so is an important determinant of additional federal costs. For example, if 90 percent of women who would have sought an abortion 20 weeks or more after fertilization instead were to seek earlier abortions, federal spending would rise about $75 million over 10 years. If only half of those women were to obtain earlier abortions, then federal spending could rise by more than $400 million over 10 years.

“For this estimate,” said CBO, “CBO assumes that around three-quarters of abortions that would occur 20 weeks or more after fertilization under current law would take place earlier, before the 20th week restriction is triggered, under the act. As a result, we estimate that the increase in federal costs for Medicaid would total $225 million over the 2014-2023 period.”


That's right folks, late term abortions save you money and reduces the deficit (http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/hr1797.pdf) according to the CBO. Some interesting thoughts from Guy Benson (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/07/09/good-news-cbo-now-scoring-fiscal-savings-from-lateterm-abortions-n1636935):



(1) Are abortion advocates going to fleetingly morph into budget hawks over $17 million per year? After all, hospital births are expensive.

(2) Since they've reduced the debate over the protection of innocent life to callous, green-eyeshade facts and figures, will CBO also score the effects of aborting hundreds of thousands of future taxpayers -- especially when it comes to annual cash-flow deficits in programs like Social Security?

(3) If late-term abortions "reduce the deficit," how much would we "save" by aborting more children? How many of abortions would it take to make the whole enterprise deficit neutral? And while we're at it, why limit this experiment to very young human life? Surely the active killing of at least some indigent and infirm Americans would produce deficit savings, right?

(4) Also, since we're indulging these amoral calculations, perhaps CBO could project the potential economic benefits and budgetary savings from the hypothetical re-institution of slavery. Second look at indentured servitude, CBO?

(5) Does anyone remember the CBO's score of the Senate's gun control bill, or Politico's story about it? Did the CBO measure how much gun registries would cost to set up, or how many jobs would be lost if certain guns were outlawed? What about how much money taxpayers "save" in future welfare payments whenever children from dangerous neighborhoods are gunned down? I performed a cursory search for CBO reports on the Toomey-Manchin law and the proposed assault weapons ban, and came up empty. Am I missing those?


UPDATE - I've contacted the CBO and inquired which member(s) of Congress requested this bill be scored, and a copy for any such request.


UPDATE II - Ramesh Ponnuru emails: "One more point: as an argument for abortion, deficit reduction swings free from choice. Forced abortions save $ too. Next stop China."

UPDATE III - I spoke to a representative at the CBO who asked that the entire conversation be off the record. It struck me as a bizarre request, and I said so. Still, I'll try to respect it. Broad strokes: CBO is mandated by law to score bills that are reported out of committee. Sometimes members make informal requests for specific scores, but CBO could not comment on whether that was the case on this particular bill. Question: Since the assault weapons ban was reported out of the Senate Judiciary Committee in March, shouldn't that score be floating around somewhere? My search for various iterations of "S. 150" and "Assault Weapons Ban 2013" did not produce the score.


UPDATE IV - An interesting point from a commenter below: CBO recently determined that granting legal status to illegal immigrants would significantly reduce deficits -- but not aborting would-be US citizens would increase them? I think the reason for this apparent disconnect is related to the "scoring windows." CBO concluded that adult illegal immigrants would be able to work and pay taxes immediately (thus affecting the ten-year window), whereas newborns are more of a long-term investment. Therefore, pre-born infants' deaths would cost less than their births in the short term. This entire discussion is surreal.

Are we really reducing the value of human life to how much it costs taxpayers? Wait, you guys have been doing that for years - "are you going to pay for her "unwanted" pregnancy? Are you going to pay to raise the "unwanted" child? Who pays for the care of the "unwanted" child born with birth defects or serious health problems?

How far are you willing to take it to save money and reduce the deficit?

Are we really reducing the value of human life to how much it costs taxpayers?Well yea, isn't that what the insurance companies do? Your health is a business that they want to profit from, and they do so... handsomely.

I did not know insurance companies intentionally kill off their customers to make money. Who'd a thunk it?

They don't, they need them sick to siphon more money out of them. Business 101.

FYI, the Texas House passed it's save the children and protecting women's health bill, with 5 Democrats joining. Meanwhile, it's (not unexpectedly) come to this.


Are we really reducing the value of human life to how much it costs taxpayers? Wait, you guys have been doing that for years - "are you going to pay for her "unwanted" pregnancy? Are you going to pay to raise the "unwanted" child? Who pays for the care of the "unwanted" child born with birth defects or serious health problems?

How far are you willing to take it to save money and reduce the deficit?

Naw, they passed a close the abortion clinics for poor and low income women bill. The alternative is unclear. So its not like it was a public service for safety because they would have provided an alternative. Interestingly abortion have to be inspected before a license is issued and most had been licensed for years already.

Hell the bill sponsor didn't know what a rape kit was.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/24/texas_abortion_bill_sponsor_doesnt_know_what_a_rap e_kit_is/

It's an insult to everyone intelligence to say this is about safety. They know full well with the financing and bid process a year at most is not enough time for upgrades. Worse till for the one that are up for relicensing now and the next few months.

Another example of poor planning and implementation by righties with a clear agenda.

They don't, they need them sick to siphon more money out of them. Business 101.

I think you need to go to over that section again. They need lots of healthy customers to make money. But again, this isn't about insurance companies it's about how the CBO scored a ban on late term abortions. Try and stick to the subject.

Naw, they passed a close the abortion clinics for poor and low income women bill.

Well that's bound to cost Texas lots of money, making all those women have babies.

It is a poorly written law. Written for a social agenda only, banning abortions.

It is a poorly written law. Written for a social agenda only, banning abortions.

As opposed to what exactly that comes from Democrats? Obamacare? Environmental regulations? Immigration reform? What?

The subject is the bill you righties in Texas wrote not if the dems write poor bills. They do but they aren't here in Texas governing YOU are.

The subject is the bill you righties in Texas wrote not if the dems write poor bills. They do but they aren't here in Texas governing YOU are.

You opened the door, I feel compelled to walk in.

Tal:
It is a poorly written law. Written for a social agenda only, banning abortions.

Me:
As opposed to what exactly that comes from Democrats? Obamacare? Environmental regulations? Immigration reform? What?


We aren't governing the nation, you are.

It's a slow process moving your noisy right wing dead weight.

It's a slow process moving your noisy right wing dead weight.

Right, because we're too stupid to know what's good for us so we need you to rescue us from ourselves. See Illinois, Detroit, Kalifornia (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3503267-post545.html), the UK's health system (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3502536-post274.html)...

Something sure is breaking down society and if people can't see it they are just too blind. Everything all ties in, the economy, bringing in illegals (*Republican's paved that road), dead shacking up, beat dads, single moms, working women,. Biggest culprit our government system and corporations

Right, because we're too stupid to know what's good for us so we need you to rescue us from ourselves. See Illinois, Detroit, Kalifornia (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3503267-post545.html), the UK's health system (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3502536-post274.html)...

Stupid isn't my word, it's yours, uncompromising and single mindedness are the words I would use, in general. Conservative ideas are great but the process of implementation sucks to high heaven. The noise is nauseous, and the methods are discriminatory.

As to motive I won't even guess but I doubt it serves any one but yourself.

Stupid isn't my word, it's yours, uncompromising and single mindedness are the words I would use, in general. Conservative ideas are great but the process of implementation sucks to high heaven. The noise is nauseous, and the methods are discriminatory.

As to motive I won't even guess but I doubt it serves any one but yourself.

It's the attitude Tal and actions back it up. You have a habit of telling us personally on these pages we don't read enough or know enough or whatever and we should get out of the way of progress.

In light of the implementation of Obamacare that's virtually universally recognized (except by you) as a train wreck, I'd be careful accusing others of sucking at implementing their great ideas. And the chutzpah it takes to say we're self-serving (see Obamacare, environmental regs, immigration reform, war on women, global warming hysteria, etc.) is off the charts.

P.S. And just in time the perfect example lands right in my lap. Chuck Todd and other MSNBCer's along with WaPo's Greg Sargent make your case.

Sabotage governing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/07/09/sabotage-governing/)


It’s not unusual to hear dirty hippie liberal blogger types (and the occasional lefty Nobel Prize winner) point out that today’s GOP has effectively abdicated the role of functional opposition party, instead opting for a kind of post-policy nihilism in which sabotaging the Obama agenda has become its only guiding governing light.

But when you hear this sort of argument coming from Chuck Todd, the mild-mannered, well respected Beltway insider, it should prompt folks to take notice.

Except it ain't true. Obamacare is self-destructing on its own.

Right, because we're too stupid to know what's good for us so we need you to rescue us from ourselves. See Illinois, Detroit, Kalifornia (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3503267-post545.html), the UK's health system (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3502536-post274.html)...

No one should read the article other than for the purposes of political spin.

A lot of percentages figures lace the article but there are no references to be found in relation to these percentages.

Hello again,

Right wingers WIN. No more abortions...

There is nothing that I can see thus far whereby abortion is touted as being banned.

No one should read the article other than for the purposes of political spin.

A lot of percentages figures lace the article but there are no references to be found in relation to these percentages.

It is certainly an opinion column, as I've said many times that's easily deduced by the 'op/ed' or 'opinion' designation at the top of the page. Not every news site links to sources by the way (and it doesn't work well in actual print), but that doesn't mean the author's facts are wrong. I've linked to the Staffordshire scandal here on more than one occasion.

It is certainly an opinion column, as I've said many times that's easily deduced by the 'op/ed' or 'opinion' designation at the top of the page.


No problem. Just in case someone missed it.




Not every news site links to sources by the way (and it doesn't work well in actual print), but that doesn't mean the author's facts are wrong.



Yes, that can be the case.




I've linked to the Staffordshire scandal here on more than one occasion.

Yes, and I believe I commented on those articles.

There is nothing that I can see thus far whereby abortion is touted as being banned.

Exactly right.

Hello again,

This Texan (http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/10/texas-woman-pulled-off-senate-floor-after-fiery-testimony-against-abortion-bill/) got it right. I'm sure Perry will call her a mob.

excon

This Texan got it right. I'm sure Perry will call her a mob.Holy crap- that damning stuff right there. I guess good ol' Rick can retire and his sis can funnel some money back to him.

Holy crap- that damning stuff right there. I guess good ol' Rick can retire and his sis can funnel some money back to him.

One moment you're claiming that documents that do exist don't, the next you're claiming a coincidental link is "damning stuff."


The Texas legislation is a carbon copy of several antiabortion measures adopted in other states; and so, as the Chronicle notes, the surgical center restriction did not originate in the governor's office (http://www.salon.com/2013/07/09/texas_proposed_abortion_restrictions_could_be_a_fi nancial_boon_for_rick_perrys_sister/).

P.S. If you want to be heard in a legislative hearing there is a proper decorum. You can't just come in and be an a$$ and expect to not get removed.

Hi Steve,

Here's the link: Texas' proposed abortion restrictions could be a financial boon for Rick Perry's sister - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/07/09/texas_proposed_abortion_restrictions_could_be_a_fi nancial_boon_for_rick_perrys_sister/)

Hello again, Steve:


You can't just come in and be an a$$ and expect to not get removed.What? You're not free to make an a$$ out of yourself?? Maybe in the Republic of Texas, but in America, we're FREE.

Excon

Hello again, Steve:

What? You're not free to make an a$$ out of yourself??? Maybe in the Republic of Texas, but in America, we're FREE.

excon

Actually that depends on where your standing. And it seems Sarah has been a bust girl for some time now. This is from 2011.

"A member of our peaceful protest attempted to protect his equipment from the rain, you know, like a humane thing to do," said Sarah Slaman with Occupy Houston.


6 Occupy Houston Protesters Arrested In Park | News - Home (http://www.click2houston.com/news/6-Occupy-Houston-Protesters-Arrested-In-Park/-/1735978/4717542/-/crexnh/-/index.html)

Hi Steve,

Here's the link: Texas’ proposed abortion restrictions could be a financial boon for Rick Perry’s sister - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/07/09/texas_proposed_abortion_restrictions_could_be_a_fi nancial_boon_for_rick_perrys_sister/)

Um, I sourced that link in this quote showing the coincidence:


The Texas legislation is a carbon copy of several antiabortion measures adopted in other states; and so, as the Chronicle notes, the surgical center restriction did not originate in the governor’s office.

And if Perry's sister is anything like him I don't foresee her pushing for more abortions at her clinics.

Hello again, Steve:

What? You're not free to make an a$$ out of yourself??? Maybe in the Republic of Texas, but in America, we're FREE.

excon

Ok sir, feel free to rail on some judge in court and let me know how that works out for you.

feel free to rail on some judge in courtBut it wasn't a judge in a court was it. Why change the discussion? Try to stay on topic.

Hello dad:


"A member of our peaceful protest attempted to protect his equipment from the rain, you know, like a humane thing to do," said Sarah Slaman with Occupy Houston.I told you she had it together... Occupy the Senate!

Excon

But it wasn't a judge in a court was it. Why change the discussion? Try to stay on topic.

Why not try to follow a discussion? Ex said "but in America, we're FREE" (to make an a$$ of oneself) and obviously that's not always the case - call the judge a "liar" and see what happens. It's no different in a state assembly, there are rules and etiquette and if you choose to be an a$$ you just might get removed and have to finish your temper tantrum elsewhere.

Well if you have to change the situation that means there's no rebuttal for the original situation. She should have been free to speak since she wasn't calling any judge a liar, those officials saw some unflattering "outings" about to happen and wanted to protect themselves.

Hello again, Steve:

When it's time for citizen feedback, a citizen should be FREE to give them feedback.. That's NOT the same as a courthouse... NK nailed you on this one.

excon

Hello dad:

I told you she had it together... Occupy the Senate!

excon

Yeah, the left has another new hero (http://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Sarah+Slamen&FORM=HDRSC6). MSNBC has already got her scheduled for tonight. They haven't gotten over their last hero yet, maybe they an get the two together and talk about how women in Texas "literally" have no control over their bodies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO1sCt0CQAI6qUu.jpg:large

Dear god, you use BING? LOL.

Hello again, Steve:

When it's time for citizen feedback, a citizen should be FREE to give them feedback.. That's NOT the same as a courthouse... NK nailed you on this one.

Excon

I'm a free speech guy but unlike you I'm not going to pretend I can walk in anywhere and be a disruptive a$$ and expect no response. There are rules in and you know that.


The speaker shall preserve order and decorum. In case of disturbance or disorderly conduct in the galleries or in the lobby, the speaker may order that these areas be cleared. No signs, placards, or other objects of similar nature shall be permitted in the rooms, lobby, gallery, and hall of the house. The speaker shall see that the members of the house conduct themselves in a civil manner in accordance with accepted standards of parliamentary conduct and may, when necessary, order the sergeant-at-arms to clear the aisles and seat the members of the house so that business may be conducted in an orderly manner.

Dear god, you use BING? LOL.

Right, the guy responsible for making sure links are in the right place but can't see them right under his nose (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3504339-post661.html) is mocking me for the occasional use of Bing, which unlike Google is still supported in my browser's search bar. You really should give up trying to get the best of me, you suck at it.

What exactly is wrong with Bing ? I get the same info from that search engine that I get from Google.

More sponsored results thrown in: How Could Bing Blending Paid Search Ads into Their Organic Results Effect SEO? (http://bloggerspassion.com/how-could-bing-blending-paid-search-ads-into-their-organic-results-effect-seo/)

Yeah, so?

Ah, never mind. Keep using it.

Ah, never mind. Keep using it.

Are we pretending Google doesn't also use sponsored ads or something? I happen to use an Android phone and an Android tablet, is that enough Google to satisfy you?

Yep, sure.

It's come to this (actually it's typical of the peaceful, tolerant, civil left)...

KETK NBC: Jars of urine, feces confiscated at TX capitol as abortion bill voting takes place (http://m.ketknbc.com/w/main/story/95609804/)

Hello again,

Tea Partier Scottie Hughes, says (http://aattp.org/tea-partier-women-aborting-rapists-baby-should-serve-same-time-as-rapist/),
Women Aborting Rapist’s Baby Should Serve Same Time As Rapist!But I thought a woman's body had a way shutting these things down..

As my friend Steve would say, you can't make this stuff up.

Excon

Hello again,

Tea Partier Scottie Hughes, says (http://aattp.org/tea-partier-women-aborting-rapists-baby-should-serve-same-time-as-rapist/),But I thought a woman's body had a way shutting these things down..

As my friend Steve would say, you can't make this stuff up.

excon

Personally I think the question is nothing more than a trap because Roe is not ever going to be overturned. I mean heck, you people can't even acknowledge if there's ever a time too late to abort and have an aneurysm over any restriction at all, do you honestly thin it will be overturned and women will go to jail for having an abortion?

Anyway, the relevant point she made was missed, "to us it's a child." Haven't we murdered enough children?

Obviously NOT, since you can kill a kid if you lose a fight and walk away with a bloody nose, and scraps and bumps.

Obviously NOT, since you can kill a kid if you lose a fight and walk away with a bloody nose, and scraps and bumps.

He was 17 (old enough to be charged as an adult in Texas), he was no angel and that's another thread. A child in the womb is defenseless.

A child in the womb is defenseless.
Let's do something to ensure that "child in the womb" doesn't even exist in the first place.

Let's do something to ensure that "child in the womb" doesn't even exist in the first place.

OK, how about abstinence?

OK, how about abstinence?
Yup, that's what most of us used to believe in. Now let's get the word out.

Yup, that's what most of us used to believe in. Now let's get the word out.

Um, I think we've been trying - too much resistance from the usual suspects.

Um, I think we've been trying - to much resistance from the usual suspects.
Resistance where? Sounds like an excuse. Go grassroots.

He was 17 (old enough to be charged as an adult in Texas), he was no angel and that's another thread. A child in the womb is defenseless.

Doesn't matter if a 17 year old kid was old enough to be charged as an adult, or was an angel or not, because he is dead and cannot answer to his "crime", nor defend himself because of the lousy judgment by an adult. This adult was no angel either.

We have already been over the helpless defenseless children in the womb, a very small number who are aborted beyond 12 weeks. But the methods to achieve the goal of NO abortions is vastly different.

On many subject I agree with the goal, but again your methods suck. But you guys are really lousy listeners when it comes to your own agendas. But I think soon now you will figure out listening and cooperating to achieve a better outcome is NOT pandering.

Until then, the people you piss off will push back in their own interest. They will stand their ground against conservative aggression.

Resistance where? Sounds like an excuse. Go grassroots.

Why should we have to go grassroots (which we do) while Planned Parenthood gets all manner of taxpayer funding to go mainstream and even set up shop in schools (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/06/05/planned-parenthood-sets-up-shop-at-roosevelt-high-to-reduce-teen-pregnancies/)?

Why should we have to go grassroots (which we do)
Where? Every stable Republican family should mentor an at-risk family.

Doesn't matter if a 17 year old kid was old enough to be charged as an adult, or was an angel or not, because he is dead and cannot answer to his "crime", nor defend himself because of the lousy judgment by an adult. This adult was no angel either.

Never said Zimmerman was an angel or did the right thing, but it does matter because that was part of the media concocted narrative, that big 'ol "white" guy Zimmerman went after an innocent kid for wearing a hoody, not a 17 year old big enough to do some damage going after that "creepy a$$ cracka" - complete with this image:

http://l.yimg.com/os/152/2012/03/28/trayvon-jpg_175605.jpg

That was NOT the Trayvon he encountered, but again that's another thread.


We have already been over the helpless defenseless children in the womb, a very small number who are aborted beyond 12 weeks. But the methods to achieve the goal of NO abortions is vastly different.

On many subject I agree with the goal, but again your methods suck. But you guys are really lousy listeners when it comes to your own agendas. But I think soon now you will figure out listening and cooperating to achieve a better outcome is NOT pandering.

Yep, we both want fewer abortions, fewer hungry people, fewer poor people but your side thinks that should be accomplished by enabling them to continue the behaviors that put them at risk, encourage dependence and excuse bad choices. Sorry, that's no road map to achieving a better outcome but you're right, people don't want to hear how to better themselves and take responsibility. They want their free contraceptives and Obama money.


Until then, the people you piss off will push back in their own interest. They will stand their ground against conservative aggression.

Hey, I don't blame people for resisting taking responsibility for themselves when they've got you to nanny and coddle them in your 'wussified' America.

Yep, we both want fewer abortions, fewer hungry people, fewer poor people but your side thinks that should be accomplished by enabling them to continue the behaviors that put them at risk, encourage dependence and excuse bad choices. Sorry, that's no road map to achieving a better outcome but you're right, people don't want to hear how to better themselves and take responsibility. They want their free contraceptives and Obama money.
What then is YOUR plan?

What then is YOUR plan?

Same as always, try and make a difference in my circle.

Same as always, try and make a difference in my circle.
That's it?

Making this the wild wild west again, and the land of frontier justice isn't the solution either, and times are tough my friend and we all have to cooperate to survive. Maybe we are all wusses, and a gun will not change that, no matter how scared you are of getting an A$$ whuppin'.

Kids make mistakes, so do adults but it's a learning experience, not a time to cave to your worst fears. I mean it's that the best you can do is kill KIDS that scare you?

Making this the wild wild west again, and the land of frontier justice isn't the solution either, and times are tough my friend and we all have to cooperate to survive. Maybe we are all wusses, and a gun will not change that, no matter how scared you are of getting an A$$ whuppin'.

Kids make mistakes, so do adults but it's a learning experience, not a time to cave to your worst fears. I mean its that the best you can do is kill KIDS that scare you?

"Wild wild west", "frontier justice", "kill KIDS that scare you"? Dude, you're the only one hear playing to and caving to fears here. But again, that's another thread (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/trayvon-ii-646411.html).

Remember Democrat San Diego mayor Bob Filner (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3510529-post795.html), the guy accused of his own personal war on numerous women? Of course not, when a prominent Democrat does it we just hear the crickets chirping. Even his former colleague Nancy Pelosi said move along, nothing to see here (http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2013/07/19/filner-san-diego-mayor-resign-pelosi/2569379/). Well, time for an update... apparently he likes his female employees to come to work commando...


San Diego Mayor Bob Filner’s former communications director, Irene McCormack Jackson, has filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against the mayor, she and her attorney, Gloria Allred, said at a news conference Monday.

“I am coming forward today to lay the blame at the feet of the person responsible, Mayor Bob Filner,” McCormack Jackson said after detailing what she described as the mayor's harassment of her. “He is not fit to be mayor of our great city. He is not fit to hold any public office.”

McCormack Jackson is the first woman to come forward publicly to accuse Filner; in recent weeks he has faced anonymous allegations that he harassed “numerous” women. Allred said that Filner had asked McCormack Jackson to “work without her panties on,” placed her in a headlock and told her that he wanted to consummate their relationship, among other incidents of alleged harassment.

“Women were viewed by Mayor Filner as sexual objects or stupid idiots,” said McCormack Jackson, a former reporter who resigned from her position as communications director in June. “His behavior made me feel ashamed, frightened and violated.”

“For some of what we stated, there were witnesses,” added Allred, who called on Filner to resign.

Read more: Harassment lawsuit filed vs. Bob Filner - Rebecca Elliott - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/gloria-allred-harassment-lawsuit-bob-filner-94566.html#ixzz2ZsVjG0Yy)

But no one in the Democratic Party is pressing him to resign because this is how it is with the left - it does not matter how Democrats treat people in real life as long as they vote for the right policies.

But no one in the Democratic Party is pressing him to resign
San Diego mayor sued by former aide charging sexual harassment - DailyBulletin.com (http://www.dailybulletin.com/breakingnews/ci_23710612/san-diego-mayor-sued-by-former-aide-charging)

Calls for Filner's resignation began on July 11, when former San Diego city councilwoman and fellow Democrat Donna Frye joined two attorneys in leveling allegations... In recent days, a number of prominent local Democrats have publicly urged Filner to quit, including San Diego-area U.S. Representatives Susan Davis and Scott Peters and San Diego City Council President Todd Gloria.

Filner's top two aides also have resigned since the scandal emerged.
You mean other than these people?

Or even here: Democrats Turn on San Diego Mayor Filner, Calls Increase for Resignation (http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/07/12/Democrats-Turn-on-San-Diego-Mayor-Filner-Calls-Increase-for-Resignation)

Locals yes, but what prominent Democrats, like those who served with him Congress are pressuring him to quit? Barbara Boxer suggested he 'consider' resigning but where is the national outrage that would follow if he were a Republican?

You'll keep moving the goalposts so what's the point?

You'll keep moving the goalposts so what's the point?

Dude, a reference to the "Democratic Party" is to the national organization, not the local county chapter. It isn't our side moving the goalpost here, if it were a Republican the calls would be loud and clear and on every network. But thanks for demonstrating once again you're more interested in trying to discredit me than having an honest discussion on a serious issue.

It's a local issue, let the locals deal with it.

It's a local issue, let the locals deal with it.

Thank you Ms. Pelosi.

FYI, Filner was a U.S. congressman for 10 terms.

He is a local mayor now and I am sure the locals can handle their business. The pressure is building. I predict it will come to a head in a week or so.

Obviously you got the memo, nothing to see here, move along.

No just another thing happening somewhere else and interesting to see how long the dufus holds out. Like I say local news.

Gotcha. Loud and clear.

Viva Carlos Danger!

Future NYC mayor Anthony Weiner has had more of his exploits revealed. Whether pre or post-Weinergate is unclear, but yes I know, it's a local issue and he votes right so nothing to see here.

Anthony Weiner's 'Carlos Danger' Sex Chats: Report - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-weiner-carlos-danger-sex-chats-report-2013-7)

Turns out Weiner's sexcapades continued long after his rehab. Via Emily Miller on Twitter.


 @EmilyMillerA source just told me two more women coming out with recent sex texts from Anthony Weiner. It seems "sex rehab" didn't take.3:08 PM - 23 Jul 2013

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Interesting role models you women's rights people choose.

His wife ,Huma Weiner ,had her Evita 'stand by your man ' moment today .
Anthony Weiner and Huma Abedin present united front over new photo | World news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/23/anthony-weiner-huma-abedin)

Yes, interesting how liberal women stand by their perverts.

Yes, interesting how liberal women stand by their perverts.
Probably looking at Mrs. David Vitter as a role model.

I believe a marriage is worth trying to save in most cases but I think Huma obviously has an uphill battle with this guy. My comment extends to liberal women in general. Still waiting on them at large to demand Filner's head as opposed to allowing him to speak at their forums, and what happens with Weiner the second time around remains to be seen.

At least one significant player has told Carlos Danger what to do with his wiener, the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/24/opinion/mr-weiner-and-the-elusive-truth.html?ref=opinion&_r=4&).

We'll see if the day leads anyone else to come to Huma's side for wretched treatment her husband has given her and the embarrassment he put her through, again.

Shame on NYC if they buy into this freak show. Americans are obviously very forgiving (Clintoon ,Sanford ) . For there to be public redemption ,you would think some closure was needed 1st .

Anthony Weiner's door mat

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Anthony Weiner's door mat

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p320x320/996865_10151487653582471_1571640072_n.jpg

Lol, shame the war on wimmenses people will never get that.

Huma Weiner will be the next martyr to the women's cause ala Evita.

Huma Weiner will be the next martyr to the women's cause ala Evita.

Yep, the war on wimmenses people love their doormats.

A third accuser has come forward against ten term congressman and current San Diego mayor Bob Filner.

Ace of Spades HQ (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/341914.php)

And now this via Twitter:


Paul Krueger @pkruegernbcsd S.D. City Attorney says female reporters must have escort to interview Mayor Filner. Female TV reporters must have male photographer.5:24 PM - 24 Jul 2013

But I'm sure that's no big deal plus it's a local issue. No war on women here.

Hello again, Steve:

No war on women here.What you miss, is that one pervert isn't a war. It's an incident. But, when an entire political PARTY does it, like YOURS does, you call it WAR... I don't know how you MISS that.

Excon

What you miss, is that one pervert isn't a war. It's an incident. But, when an entire political PARTY does it, like YOURS does, you call it WAR... I don't know how you MISS that.I was going to mention that very point but I knew it wouldn't take.

Hello again, Steve:
What you miss, is that one pervert isn't a war. It's an incident. But, when an entire political PARTY does it, like YOURS does, you call it WAR... I dunno how you MISS that.

excon

Except for one small detail, the GOP war on women is manufactured BS, while you currently have the mayor of the eighth largest city in the country, and two running for office in NYC that wage a war on women in actual practice while you refuse to condemn them. Can you say hypocrite?

Now Weiner blames Huma for his sexting .
Weiner blames latest XXX online scandal on stress with Huma caused by pre-resignation sexting, begs voters for support in open letter - NYPOST.com (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/better_start_shaking_hands_weiner_dR1040FqZByiYROu MuGrwM)
How much longer will she "stand by her man "? At least Spitzer's wife has the good sense to not assist him in his attempted run for comptroller .

Hello again, tom:

now Weiner blames Huma for his sexting . You want to talk about ONE guy. I want to talk about the unconstitutional abortion bill in North Carolina. That's your war on women (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/03/north-carolina-abortion_n_3541251.html) on Steroids!!

Excon

If you guys don't want to protect women from butchers like Gosnell and pervs like Weiner and Filner we will.

If you guys don't want to protect women from butchers like Gosnell and pervs like Weiner and Filner we will.
We don't need protection.

We don't need protection.

Uh, but that's exactly what this thread is about, the left protecting women from an imaginary war. I guess they can stop now since you don't need protection.

Uh, but that's exactly what this thread is about, the left protecting women from an imaginary war. I guess they can stop now since you don't need protection.
The white Republican males are the patriarchal ones who want to keep us barefoot and pregnant (and quiet).

The white Republican males are the patriarchal ones who want to keep us barefoot and pregnant (and quiet).

So far here's the takeaway from the arguments from you and the lefties, apparently you think most women are stupid. They either want to be with patriarchal males who want to keep them barefoot and pregnant (and quiet) or jacka$$es and perverts who treat them like dirt. Where do you fall?

So far here's the takeaway from the arguments from you and the lefties, apparently you think most women are stupid.
Huh? No, we rise above it.

Hello again, tom:
You wanna talk about ONE guy. I wanna talk about the unconstitutional abortion bill in North Carolina. That's your war on women (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/03/north-carolina-abortion_n_3541251.html) on STERIODS!!!

excon

It's not unconstitutional to regulate the abortion industry. Since this is not a ban on abortion ,it doesn't violate the provisions of Roe .

Huh? No, we rise above it.

Is that what Huma is doing by letting Weiner blame her for his problem, rising above it?

Is that what Huma is doing by letting Weiner blame her for his problem, rising above it?
Give it time.

Don't think Weiner has a problem rising above it.

don't think Weiner has a problem rising above it.

Time and again. As John Podhoretz put it (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/el_senor_is_loco_like_fox_GDGtYTjoUhEHDMtKKQeokM), "Yes, his emergence as Carlos Danger might be just the thing to make Anthony Weiner rise to the top at last!"

We definitely need more erection jokes here.

Give it time.

Another public humiliation two years later is not helping your case here.

Another public humiliation two years later is not helping your case here.
It takes some of us longer than others.

We definitely need more erection jokes here.

It could've been worse. His last name could've been Vagina.

We definitely need more erection jokes here.

I love a good joke.

"Anthony Weiner the peter tweeter is at is again. He admitted in a press conference to having more online sexting episode well after he resigned from Congress. This time Anthony Weiner used the name Carlos danger. He was sexting women under the name Carlos Danger. See, this is Weiner's way of getting more Latino support." –Jay Leno

"As a comedian, I am pleading with the voters of New York: please elect this man." –Jay Leno

"Anthony Weiner released a statement today saying this behavior is behind me. Then he added, if you want to see more of what's behind me, I'll text you a photograph." –Craig Fergsuon

"Mayoral candidate Anthony Wiener had more photographs released from his sexting scandal. New Yorkers were so shocked that Eliot Spitzer fell off his hooker." –Craig Fergsuon

"So, Anthony Weiner has apologized for this new scandal. He also apologized for the next one. And the next one after that." –David Letterman

"At the press conference today, Anthony Weiner’s wife said she will stand by her husband. Especially when he goes on the computer." –Conan O'Brien

"We have former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer on the show tonight. He'll be here only for about five minutes, but we're charging him for the full hour." –Jimmy Fallon

"Eliot Spitzer is on the show. When he got here, I said, 'Do you need someone to escort, er, show you to your dressing room?'" –Jimmy Fallon

@rainnwilson
RainnWilson
If the #RoyalBaby were to be named "Carlos Danger", this would be the greatest news day of all time. #DoItEngland!

@BorowitzReport
Andy Borowitz
Convicted drug smuggler Carlos Danger said today that he was suing Anthony Weiner for using his name, explaining, "Being associated with Weiner has irreparably damaged my reputation."

@mikedicenzo
Mike DiCenzo
"Carlos Danger" is somehow a less fake-sounding name than just "Anthony Weiner."

@carr2n
David Carr
I'll admit that Carlos Danger is a decent porn name, but not sure he needed a better one that Anthony Weiner.

@curlycomedy
Abbi Crutchfield
Inventing a new cocktail: the Carlos Danger (gin & tonic that you drink with someone else then apologize to your wife).

@JosephScrimshaw
Joseph Scrimshaw
Sometimes I think the universe is random. Then a man named Weiner does a press conference about d**k pics on National Hot Dog Day. #synergy

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/2/M/5/weiner-holder-2016-ticket.jpg

^^

That's about how I view conservative forums.

As if anyone cares.

It takes some of us longer than others.

Apparently that's not going over well (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/she_even_worse_NPN2puBRBoiNv0gF7XJLLN) with some.

If the #RoyalBaby were to be named "Carlos Danger", this would be the greatest news day of all time. #DoItEngland!
Bad enough they named him 'George ' .now he will grow up being known as 'boy George ' .

FYI, mayor Filner has opted for two weeks of therapy over resigning. Maybe he'll do better than Carlos Danger. Nahhh.

Speaking of Carlos Danger, he makes a cameo in this priceless video.

Students Sign Petition to Legalize 4th Trimester Abortion

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I have no words.

Let's pray for hum to get better.

Right after I make the argument that the reason Democrats tend to excuse people like Weiner and Filner because they push the agenda in spite of their er, indiscretions - along comes Marion Barry (another example) to hammer home the point (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/313935-marion-barry-weiner-a-good-democrat#ixzz2aSSRr1Dh).


In an interview Saturday night on Geraldo Rivera's show on Fox News, Barry said, "One bit of advice to the congressman: I'd stop talking so much about now and start talking about what you did for seven terms while he was in the Congress. He's a good Democrat."

And that's what it's all about folks. As long as they're a "good Democrat" it doesn't matter who gets hurt in the process. As long as abortion is available on demand it doesn't matter if we lose a few women to a Gosnell or how many babies are killed. It's all about the cause, man!

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And while I'm at it, the victim of another celebrated pervert is about to publish her memoir - Samantha Geimer. She would be the victim of Roman Polanksi, the guy who is still celebrated every year at Cannes.

What happened (http://www.today.com/books/polanski-victims-memoir-cover-features-his-photo-her-6C10748707)?

"Geimer, who was just 13 at the time. Polanski was accused of raping the teen during a modeling shoot at actor Jack Nicholson's home, after drugging her with alcohol and a Quaalude, and was originally indicted on six felony counts."

No biggie there, eh? Polanksi pled down then fled the country and was convicted in absentia.

The LA Times describes (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-roman-polanski-rape-victim-book-20130725,0,6976013.story) the atrocious assault on 13 year old Samantha, as "the notorious night that changed both of their lives."

Poor Polanski, his life was changed.

Apparently respect for women runs deep in Weinerland. A former Weiner intern- now that's got to be an interesting job - wrote a piece in the NY Daily News and Weinerville was not happy (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/07/top-weiner-aide-trashes-intern.php?m=1)...


Now, Team Weiner is firing back. TPM called Weiner’s communications director Barbara Morgan to discuss an unrelated story Tuesday and she went off on a curse-filled rant about Nuzzi, describing her as a fame hungry “b*tch” who “sucked” at her job. Morgan also called Nuzzi a “slutbag,” “twat,” and “c*nt” while threatening to sue her.

Close your eyes and picture the fun we would be having had a Republican used any of those words.

Meanwhile, Bob 'Filthy' Filner is asking the city to pay his legal fees, while the city is asking him to pay theirs. And, a Democrat strategist says female members of Congress thought he was "creepy (http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/30/democratic-strategist-female-representatives-say-filner-had-a-creepy-reputation/)".


"I had dinner this weekend with female members and former members who said this guy has been this way all along, that everybody thought he was a little creepy," said Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen.

More interesting than women finding him creepy is the part about "this guy has been this way all along." The guy was a member of Congress for 20 years, he didn't become a pervert all of a sudden. Who knew and why were they protecting him?

New Anthony Weiner campaign slogan courtesy of Dr. Richard C. Friedman via the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/30/nyregion/weiners-behavior-prompts-a-question-why-did-he-do-it.html)...

"Look at my wonderful organ. Isn’t it beautiful?’”

"Look at my wonderful organ. Isn’t it beautiful?’”
I didn't know he is a keyboard player! Wonder if he can play the accordion..

He may think it 's an organ ;but Huma says it plays like a Spinet .

And again the Weiner scandal has opened some old wounds in the Clintoon family . They have been furious over the constant comparison between Evita's 'stand by your man' moment and Huma's .
Now it turns out that Monica secretly taped a message to Bubba that the Enquirer has obtained .
Tape of 'Monica Lewinsky planning illicit meeting with Bill Clinton' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2381941/Tape-Monica-Lewinsky-planning-illicit-meeting-Bill-Clinton.html)

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinsky."

I noticed that Huma is off on an extended vacation, not at Hillary's bidding I'm sure.

Turns out the texting scandal may be a distraction from the real scandal . Sen Chuck Grassley in his role as ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee ,is demanding documents from State about the private consulting work Huma Weiner did for the Clintoon Foundation while also working as deputy chief of staff to Sec State Evita ;where she had access to state secrets. She earned over $350,000 in fees while also being employed by the gvt.

Of course he's being stonewalled in his request ,but that may be the REAL reason Huma is taking leave from the Clintoons .Grassely suspects that Huma was giving insider info to her private employer... Teneo Holdings ,an affiliate of the Clintoon empire .Teneo Holdings client list included MF Global ,and various foreign governments . That would be typical of the Clintoons and their propensity to sell state secrets to foreign governments .

Her employment status was changed to "special government employee" in June 2012, which allowed her to leave Washington and work from New York. This was at the same time that some members of Congress were questioning her personal and family ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. This was also the same time that the State Dept changed the Brotherhood status ;dropping it's 'terrorist organization' status.

So Grassley has some legitimate concerns that the State Dept and Huma Weiner could address by handing over the pertinent information he seeks.
But as is normal ,he is being met with the standard response... phony scandal...aint nothing there ....move on...

At least you got the response right.

At least you got the response right.

Yep, followed by "hey look at this shiny thing."

It's come to this (http://voiceofsandiego.org/2013/07/31/filner-lawyer-city-owes-legal-bills-because-of-training-failure/), Bob Filthy Filner's defense is he didn't receive sexual harassment training, not in his two decades in congress nor in his short stint as mayor of San Diego.


“The city failed to provide such training to Mayor Filner,” Filner’s lawyer Harvey Berger wrote in a July 29 letter to City Attorney Jan Goldsmith. “In fact, it is my understanding that such training was scheduled, but the trainer for the city unilaterally cancelled, and never re-scheduled such training for the Mayor (and others.) Therefore, if there is any liability at all, the city will almost certainly be liable for ‘failing to prevent harassment’ under Government Code Section 12940(k).”…

“While, to paraphrase Bob Dylan, many might argue that ‘you don’t need a weatherperson to tell you which way the wind blows,’ and an adult male should not need sexual harassment training, I would point out that in his decades of public service for the people of San Diego as a U.S. Representative, Mayor Filner has never received sexual harassment training,” Berger writes. “This is not an excuse for any inappropriate behavior which may have occurred, but having conducted sexual harassment training many times over the years, I have learned that many – if not most- people do not know what is and what is not illegal sexual harassment under California law. There is a very, very good reason for mandatory sexual harassment training; if nothing else it makes people think about the subject, and how they interact with their fellow employees. Had the City provided mandatory sexual harassment training to Mayor Filner, [former spokeswoman] Irene McCormack Jackson may never have brought her lawsuit.”

It's not his fault see, if anyone's responsible for him putting his female employees in headlocks, wanting them to work without panties on and asking when he'll get to see them naked, it's the city of San Diego's fault. You just can't make this up...

Moving this to the proper op.

Well, even Filner's excuse of blaming the city for not training him not to ask his female employees not to take their panties off for him is apparently a lie. His office canceled the training sessions (http://voiceofsandiego.org/2013/07/31/sources-mayors-office-canceled-harassment-related-training-sessions/).

Meanwhile the new rule that women may not meet with the mayor without a chaperone isn't going over too well with Melissa "tampon-ears" Harris-Perry. She finds it discriminatory (http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow-show/52627227#52627227)... men can still meet with the mayor alone but not women.

Well, Ms. fashion queen of feminine hygiene products, you go meet with him alone first. Set the example.

You righties need an honest self examinations since you find everybody else's faults and none of your own. If you need my help, let me know and we can start with Vitters, and voting and go from there. Lot's of stuff in between.

You righties need an honest self examinations since you find everybody else's faults and none of your own. If you need my help, let me know and we can start with Vitters, and voting and go from there. Lot's of stuff in between.

Just like racial issues I see you're still not interested I having an honest discussion on this subject either.

LOL, now you know how other races feel??

LOL, now you know how other races feel???

You have some really weird interpretative skills, like nowhere even in the ballpark of reality.

A simple question, you obviously don't want to answer.

A simple question, you obviously don't want to answer.

I've never given any indication I know how other races feel so there's nothing to answer. How you got from my desire to have "an honest discussion" to I "know how other races feel" is beyond me, you seem to have just pulled that one right out of your a$$.

But again, I understand why you guys don't want to discuss Democrats behaving badly.

If you had said politician then that would be honest, but it's not honest saying others are flawed, and you are not.

You have some really weird interpretative skills, like nowhere even in the ballpark of reality.

So now you think someoneelse doesn't get it, do you think, just perhaps, that the fault lies in your ability to express yourself

If you had said politician then that would be honest


The only politicians in the news for behaving badly at the moment are Democrats, noted champions of women's rights by Dems own admission, and you guys are conspicuously silent about it and throwing up distractions. That's not honest.


but it's not honest saying others are flawed, and you are not.

What? Again with pulling things out of your a$$ already? I'm the first to admit I'm flawed and so are our politicians. You make a mental note of that.

I'm the first to admit I'm flawed and so are our politicians. You're also the first to post about the activities of flawed politicians. Can we post about your flaws too?

You're also the first to post about the activities of flawed politicians. Can we post about your flaws too?

I didn't start this thread, that would make excon the first to post crap about others. You always seem confounded by the idea that we would respond to being attacked. Get over it.

The thread started by Ex quoting YOUR guys blaming stuff on working women. He quoted them talking crap.

The thread started by Ex quoting YOUR guys blaming stuff on working women. He quoted them talking crap.

You would be and usually are, the first to claim that is a flaw in Republicans and the quotes were used to attack us as waging a war on women. You should expect a response.

But again you just keep proving the point that you'd rather distract from your own war on women than discuss it honestly.

than discuss it honestlyWhere is that honest discussion?

That's the point, genius.

There isn't any "honest discussion' in any of the Current Events threads, genius. So to ask for one is pointless.

There isn't any "honest discussion' in any of the Current Events threads, genius. So to ask for one is pointless.
I've gathered that "honest discussion" = "we all agree."

If people want to see how adults discuss things intellectually (with some fun thrown in) they could look at Slashdot (http://slashdot.org/) threads. Of course they have a moderation system that keeps things in check. Blind fanaticism and slurs are not tolerated; that's why some people end up here.

There isn't any "honest discussion' in any of the Current Events threads, genius. So to ask for one is pointless.

Sorry dude, I'm not nearly as cynical as you.

Well I asked for an example and all you did was get sarcastic, so you kind of proved my point. But yes, I am cynical to be sure.

Well I asked for an example and all you did was get sarcastic, so you kinda proved my point. But yes, I am cynical to be sure.
You're certainly doing your part to have an honest discussion.

honest discussion
What do you consider an honest discussion? I've asked questions and got called names. I've politely disagree with you and got called names and was shot down.

What do you consider an honest discussion? I've asked questions and got called names. I've politely disagree with you and got called names and was shot down.

Exactly what names did I call you?

Exactly what names did I call you?
The strong implication was that I'm stupid.

The strong implication was that I'm stupid.

Uh, no that doesn't fly either. You said "'I've politely disagree with you and got called names", exactly what names did I call you?

Uh, no that doesn't fly either. You said "'I've politely disagree with you and got called names", exactly what names did I call you?
When I have time, I'll do a search. Because of what you have posted to me in the past, I avoid you like the plague.

When I have time, I'll do a search. Because of what you have posted to me in the past, I avoid you like the plague.

Ah, this must be one of those 'honest' discussions, making accusations you don't back up. And yet you, like NK, seem perplexed that anyone would respond to your nonsense and needling.

P.S. You sure have an unusual way of avoiding someone like the plague.

And yet you, like NK, seem perplexed that anyone would respond to your nonsense and needling.
There you go again!

P.S. You sure have an unusual way of avoiding someone like the plague.
I would participate a lot more on this board if I felt welcome (by you) when I post my questions and offer opinions..

There you go again!I learned a while ago he can't help himself, it's too ingrained. You're a good person WG, don't let it get to you.

There you go again!

I would participate a lot more on this board if I felt welcome (by you) when I post my questions and offer opinions..

You want honesty? My apologies if I make you feel 'unwelcome' but with all due respect, you need to examine your own attitude and actions as well. It ain't a one way street, you accuse me of something you'd better back it up or expect a swift response, and if you can't take it then don't start it.

I learned a while ago he can't help himself, it's too ingrained. You're a good person WG, don't let it get to you.

Get a room.

Get a room.You will get a swift response sir!

I'm trembling.

you accuse me of something you'd better back it up
You already proved my point all by yourself.

You already proved my point all by yourself.Yep, but he can't see it.

I bet you're both a blast at parties.

Going to one tonight!

But I get you're trying to insult us again.

If the shoe fits...

And the latest (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1931) in the "war on women" being waged by Texas and other states, and in agreement with other recent polls. It seems women are in favor of late term abortion bans (https://twitter.com/AaronBlakeWP/status/363316520413167618), but us wingers wouldn't know anything about that, right?

late term abortion bans
Another "random survey" -- "Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,468 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones."

Another "random survey" -- "Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,468 registered voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones."

OK, take the 2.6 points away and what do you have? As indicated this is not the first recent polls showing support for a ban on late term abortions, particularly among women (http://www.nationaljournal.com/congressional-connection/coverage/americans-narrowly-support-20-week-abortion-ban-20130626).


At the same time, reflecting underlying unease with abortion, more say it should be legal without limitation only up to 20 weeks (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/07/majority-supports-legal-abortion-but-details-indicate-ambivalence/) (as in some recent state laws), as opposed to about 24 weeks, as the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the landmark Roe v. Wade case; the division is 56-27 percent (an additional 8 percent volunteer that it should never be legal).

60% of women in the ABC poll favored a 20 week limit as opposed to 24% for a 24 week limit.

P.S. Isn't that how most polls are done, random surveys?

Those who don't like late term abortions shouldn't get them. Can it be that simple?

this is not the first recent polls showing support for a ban on late term abortions
Is there a comprehensive survey that's been done of women who have had late-term abortions -- how many per month and why they waited that long?

Infanticide may be legal in Canada but I don't want to follow your 'lead' on that. While you may not agree it's human life at conception, surely at some point even you can see it's killing a person that could survive outside the womb.

Those who don't like late term abortions shouldn't get them. Can it be that simple?

They don't have to marry a gay person either.

Is there a comprehensive survey that's been done of women who have had late-term abortions -- how many per month and why they waited that long?

So in other words the opinion of women suddenly doesn't matter?

There are more opinions that don't get surveyed to listen too.

So in other words the opinion of women suddenly doesn't matter?
Huh? Did I say that? I asked for stats of late-term abortions and why they were done -- e.g. to irritate Republicans or for medical reasons or just for fun.

Do a random survey of 30,000 women and let me know the result. And ask the right questions.

The Quinnipiac University poll released on June 6, 2013 --

First, the poll was deceptive in failing to define terms.
Second, the poll was incomplete.
Third, the Quinnipiac poll also asked respondents whether they thought abortion should be legal in all cases, most cases, few cases or no cases.

That Quinnipiac Poll | New York State Catholic Conference (http://www.nyscatholic.org/2013/06/that-quinnipiac-poll/)
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When women have abortions*

Eighty-eight percent of abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, 2006.


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*http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
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In 1987, the Alan Guttmacher Institute collected questionnaires from 1,900 women in the United States who came to clinics to have abortions. Of the 1,900 questioned, 420 had been pregnant for 16 or more weeks. These 420 women were asked to choose among a list of reasons they had not obtained the abortions earlier in their pregnancies. The results were as follows:[2]

71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% Woman didn't know timing is important
5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% Other

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy

Huh? Did I say that?

It was a question, hence the question mark.


I asked for stats of late-term abortions and why they were done -- e.g. to irritate Republicans or for medical reasons or just for fun.


I'm not a pollster.


Do a random survey of 30,000 women and let me know the result. And ask the right questions.

It was 3 polls and rarely does anyone survey 30,000 people for these. A majority of women favored a limit of 20 weeks in all three. Does their opinion not matter, because I'm not the one discounting their opinions.

So in other words the opinion of women suddenly doesn't matter?Ah yes, the conservative nannyers want to ban everything - apparently they know what's better for us than we do.

Ah yes, the conservative nannyers want to ban everything - apparently they know what's better for us than we do.

I don't give a rat's arse what you do, but I'll fight for the right to life for babies, the most innocent, helpless human life, to my dying breath. I'm not one bit ashamed of that. I'd be ashamed to support infanticide as you do.

But you'll gladly support other people's children dying in a needless war.

But deny those same kids food stamps, or a living wage, or an education. Not you but elected righties.

But you'll gladly support other people's children dying in a needless war.

Wrong bucko. When you care to argue honestly let's talk.

But deny those same kids food stamps, or a living wage, or an education. Not you but elected righties.

Again, wrong bucko. I'm all for feeding people who need the help, I do so personally every month along with helping to pay for their education. I don't support taking your resources to feed others, I'll gladly sacrifice my own resources but not yours.

You would gladly deny me the privilege of helping others by taking my resources to use as you please denying my choice to make better use of those resources for the 'common good', whether they actually NEED my help or not. You yourself argued that Filthy Filner was a local issue so let them work it out. I know what my locals need so so let me work it out without your interference.

And I will never support the pathetic, biased, FAILING liberal public education that serves the interests of teachers and unions more than the children. You can feed the union masters and I'll feed the children.

Good luck, there are millions of 'em.

I know what my locals need so so let me work it out without your interference.
Do you help them all (your locals), or are there some you have no additional resources for? If that's the case, what happens to the ones you cannot help?

Speech has a solution he would offer them the same solution he offers his lame horse

speech has a solution he would offer them the same solution he offers his lame horse

And of course the government is much better at confiscating other peoples money and distributing it to those in need. But we know that is not the case , because if it were ,then there would be no need for all these local,national,and international private charities. We know that's not so because after all the decades of wars on poverty ,of ever expanding expenditure of public resources on education... the poverty levels have not significantly changed ,and our school systems in fact have deteriorated ;getting less bang for the buck ,and leaving generations of kids behind. The undeniable truth is that government SUCKS at that type of thing .It is not a matter of how much they pick from your pocket... its how they manage it .

Rave on Tom and avoid the issue. Relying on the beficience of the rich doesn't get the job done and of course it never will, because they create the situation in the first place by denying a living wage to the lowest paid workers, by creating a health care system that is just a tax deduction so that someone without a job doesn't get care and worst still by buying the loyalty of the very people who are supposed to represent the masses. Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough but when is it enough when they export the jobs and call it enterprise

So the job creators are the problem... more strange lefty thinking .

Tom I come back to the definition of madness to do the same thing and expect different results. You continue to rely on the past and it isn't working for you. The reason is these job creators have become greedy and what's more they have realised what your founders realised, there is great profit in the use of slave labour and if you can't get slave labour get cheap labour.

This is a new age, we are beyond enlightenment now, every man is enlightened, but it seems no smarter

Good luck, there are millions of 'em.

Combined with the gifts of others using it efficiently it goes a lot further than filtering it through the government bureaucracy.

See Detroit, where all those unfunded liabilities to union workers and every other liberal solution imaginable has left them bankrupt and without basic services.

Do you help them all (your locals), or are there some you have no additional resources for? If that's the case, what happens to the ones you cannot help?

Am I in this alone or are you helping too?

Am I in this alone or are you helping too?
Of course! I even help your locals that you aren't able to help personally.

Of course! I even help your locals that you aren't able to help personally.

And see, I avoided the snark and asked nicely and this is what I get, a stick in the eye. Remember that next time you whine about me. Still waiting to see all those names I called you...

And see, I avoided the snark and asked nicely and this is what I get, a stick in the eye. Remember that next time you whine about me. Still waiting to see all those names I called you...
How was that snarky? It's my tax dollars at work helping those you can't afford to help voluntarily.

I didn't bother to search since you very neatly proved my point yesterday.

How was that snarky? It's my tax dollars at work helping those you can't afford to help voluntarily.

I didn't bother to search since you very neatly proved my point yesterday.

How is it snark? Seriously? Let's just call a truce, OK?

Nothing to see here, move along...

NBC San Diego : Mayor's Accuser: I Asked For Help, He Asked for Date (http://m.nbcsandiego.com/nbcsandiego/pm_107837/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=eFhd11Dk)


A nurse and a U.S. Marine claim San Diego Mayor Bob Filner abused his elected office when he asked for a date in exchange for helping a wounded veteran solve a problem with Veterans Affairs.

Marine Katherine Ragazzino spoke Tuesday about a meeting with Filner in which the mayor implied that he would help solve Ragazzino’s issue with the VA only if Tyler agreed to attend a public event with him or have dinner with him.Ragazzino suffered a traumatic brain injury and PTSD while serving in Iraq

As if preying on a woman trying to help a wounded marine wasn't bad enough, several female veterans are coming forward claiming Filner hit on them, too... and they were victims of sexual assault (http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/07/us/san-diego-mayor-scandal/index.html).


The man on the voicemail is flirty and clearly asking for a date. But it's the name on the message that's raising red flags.

"Hi, it's your newly favorite congressman, Bob Filner. You know, the one who fell in love with you at your last speech," he told Eldonna Fernandez.

He also asked her out to dinner in the message.

"I don't want to wait 'til you come back to have dinner with you," he said.

That message was left a year ago, while Filner was serving his 10th term as a U.S. congressman. He had met Fernandez at a National Women's Veterans Association of America "Healing and Hiring Fair."

When Fernandez got the message, she immediately deleted it. But when sexual harassment allegations against the now-San Diego mayor began to surface a few weeks ago, she remembered the "creepy" message and was surprised to find it still sitting in her iPhone's voicemail trash.

"Ugh. It creeps me out, it creeps me out," Fernandez said. "The guy's got problems."

But the unwanted voicemail isn't the real problem for Fernandez. It's where and to whom he made inappropriate advances.

Fernandez, along with Army veteran Gerri Tindley, joins 11 other women who have publicly accused Filner, 70, of making unwanted advances, from groping to verbal passes.

They are also among at least eight female veterans and members of the National Women's Veterans Association of America (NWVAA) in San Diego who have made accusations against the mayor. Almost all of the women say they were victims of sexual assault while they were in the military.

The women, like Fernandez, say the former chairman of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee used his significant power and credentials to access military sexual assault survivors, who they say are less likely to complain.

Fernandez is a retired master sergeant from the Air Force. She served 23 years in the United States and was deployed to the Middle East after 9/11.

She said she was raped three times during her service. Like many victims of military sexual assault and rape, she suffered in silence, believing the system would never support her.

In civilian life, Fernandez now speaks openly about her assaults and is an active member of the NWVAA, which supports victims of military sexual assault.

Fernandez was speaking at an NWVAA event in August 2012 when she exchanged business cards with Filner.

"He looks at my card. He looks at me. He says, 'Fernandez. Are you married? Do you have a husband?' Very quick, very direct. I said, 'No, I'm divorced.' 'Well, you're beautiful, and I can't take my eyes off you, and I want to take you to dinner.' I was really shocked and I was like, 'Uh, OK,'" Fernandez said.

Then came the phone call and voicemail, which Fernandez never returned.

Might I emphasize that Filner was still a US congressman at the time, for 4 years he was chairman of the House Veterans’ Affairs Committee. So how long was he preying on vulnerable women, using his position and power to wage his war on women? And who else knew?

It's come to this in the war on women, Hooters is taking a stand...

Hooters sign: Bob Filner won't be served (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/bob-filner-hooters-95502.html)

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, he's a turd. What do you think about scumbag Republican Senator Vitter? Do you give him a pass, like you accuse Democrats of doing? Or, are you going to argue that Vitter isn't as bad as Filner?? Probably.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, he's a turd. What do you think about scumbag Republican Senator Vitter? Do you give him a pass, like you accuse Democrats of doing?? Or, are you gonna argue that Vitter isn't as bad as Filner??? Probably.

excon

We've been there already, I've never given any of them a pass. But let me ask you, do you believe paying a prostitute for sex is as bad as preying on your employees or worse, wounded female veterans as chairman of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee? One wounded his family, the other - like Weiner - is a menace to the public.

P.S. Vitter took responsibility for his actions, asked for forgiveness and has apparently kept his nose, or something, clean.

If you haven't noticed no one is giving Filner a pass, no one. Matter of fact everybody is calling for his resignation, but he resists and the law is on his side. Just like that scumbag governor ultrasound in Virginia.

So be outraged, but stop the free pass spin. You are no more outraged than anyone else, but the law calls for due process.

Did I say Filner was getting free pass? No, but what took you guys so long, this guy has obviously been doing this for years.

Hello again, Steve:

But let me ask you, do you believe paying a prostitute for sex is as bad as preying on your employees or worse, So, you want me to compare sh*t and tell you which one smells better. Well, I ain't going to do it.

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
So, you want me to compare sh*t and tell you which one smells better. Well, I ain't gonna do it.

excon

I remember the days of Clintoon, we were supposed to give him a break for getting a blow job in the oval office. But you want to crucify Vitter for paying a hooker and lump it into the same category as Filner using his position to prey on employees and vets who had already been sexual assault victims? Dude!

Hello again, Steve:

I don't want to crucify anybody. I want to treat 'em ALL the same. If breaking the law is fine for a senator, then it oughta be fine for a mayor.

excon

You know the statute of limitations passed in the Vitter case so whatcha going to do? But back to Clinton, his sin was perjury but you lefties tried to make it about sex so it's very confusing keeping up with where you guys stand on things.

Correction we didn't just try, we did, and the senate agreed, and he went on to get elected AGAIN. Keep squealing.

Correction we didn't just try, we did, and the senate agreed, and he went on to get elected AGAIN. Keep squealing.

As I recall the Senate voted on perjury and obstruction of justice charges, not a blow job - and he had already been reelected.

I'm referring to 'you,' as in blowhard libs everywhere mischaracterizing the impeachment as being about sex when it was about perjury and obstruction of justice. It's very difficult trying to understand when the law actually means anything to you lefties and when it doesn't but I understand, with you guys it always depends on which way the wind is blowing.

Correction we didn't just try, we did, and the senate agreed, and he went on to get elected AGAIN. Keep squealing.

For historical accuracy... Agreed ,you did try to make it about sex ;but there is nothing in the impeachment counts that mentions sex. Also he was impeached in his 2nd term ;not his 1st term . So no ;he was not elected again after impeachment .

You are right he got re elected amid the scandal, and he is still going strong. So is Hillary.

Not according to the Slimes
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/us/politics/unease-at-clinton-foundation-over-finances-and-ambitions.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I wonder if the IRS did an audit ?

I wouldn't underestimate the former first family.

She did such a fine job in 2008

It's come to this on Bob "the filthy turd" Filner...


Great-grandmother Peggy Shannon accuses Mayor Bob Filner of sexual harassment (http://www.10news.com/news/investigations/great-grandmother-accuses-mayor-bob-filner-of-sexual-harassment) - Shannon says mayor grabbed, kissed her

Before you go all "the Republican POLICY war on women is not the same as a Democrat pervert" on me let me state again, this was an employee. And, not only was Filner using his position to harass women that worked for him and female veteran victims of sexual assault as Chairman of the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs, three separate female officials WARNED the San Diego Democratic party about him (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-bob-filner/278675/) before they ran him for mayor.


The Democratic Party of San Diego needs better lawyers. Or rather, it should have used the lawyers it has.

In 2011, at least three women warned the head of the San Diego County Democratic Party of stories in the community about then-Rep. Bob Filner making inappropriate advances toward professional women with whom he'd come in contact through his political position.

Former California State Assemblywoman Lori Saldaña, San Diego County Democratic Central Committee member Martha Sullivan, and Escondido City Council member Olga Diaz all brought uncomfortable incidents to the attention of Jess Durfee, who was until the end of 2012 Democratic Party chairman for San Diego, the eighth-largest city in America.

What happened next illustrates the enormous challenge the situation presented to local Democrats, who were looking to Filner as their best shot at retaking the mayor's seat in the heavily Republican community for the first time since 1992. It also reveals the party's short-sighted and ultimately self-destructive failure to do due diligence on the accusations, which were presented to the party secondhand and yet failed to trigger any kind of substantive investigation, or even an intra-party conversation with a lawyer.

If sticking with your best chance at winning the office - knowing the guy could be big trouble - is more important than the women you're supposed to be protecting isn't a war on women I don't what is.

I know what IS a war on women, putting obstacle in the way of them exercising their rights under the law to terminate a pregnancy allowed by that law. And then denying it's a war.

Filner is a pig!!

I know what IS a war on women, putting obstacle in the way of them exercising their rights under the law to terminate a pregnancy allowed by that law. And then denying it's a war.

And yet a large portion of women are also anti-abortion, and a majority seem to support a ban at 20 weeks. Are they waging a war on themselves?

Dude, you know dam n well it isn't a war on women, it's fight for the life of the child. In our world, both sides live and in yours you choose who lives and who dies with the most innocent and helpless being the first victim. The second is quite often the mother tortured by killing her baby. I live with one of those women remember?


Filner is a pig!!

What part of the San Diego Democratic Party put their political interests ahead of the women they claim to represent and put this filthy pig out there to prey on them do you not get? They KNEW he was a pig and put him out there anyway.

QUOTE by speechlesstx;
And yet a large portion of women are also anti-abortion, and a majority seem to support a ban at 20 weeks. Are they waging a war on themselves?

That all well and good as we have a right to our opinion but whatever you believe right or wrong others have a right to do what's best for them. To make decision about their own lives and you don't. So it doesn't matter who is on what side of the issue, they have a right to a choice and you taking it away.

The funny part of your war it's waged against poor females that can't fight you back, because well to do, and women of mean ignore you and do as they please, which makes you a BULLY!! And a hypocrite for refusing to take care of the females you deny the right of choice too.


Dude, you know dam n well it isn't a war on women, it's fight for the life of the child. In our world, both sides live and in yours you choose who lives and who dies with the most innocent and helpless being the first victim. The second is quite often the mother tortured by killing her baby. I live with one of those women remember?

I don't choose, a female makes her own choice whether you or I like it or not, NOT live by yours choice for her.


What part of the San Diego Democratic Party put their political interests ahead of the women they claim to represent and put this filthy pig out there to prey on them do you not get? They KNEW he was a pig and put him out there anyway.

No different than the republicans who do dirt, and still hold elective office.

That all well and good as we have a right to our opinion but whatever you believe right or wrong others have a right to do what's best for them. To make decision about their own lives and you don't. So it doesn't matter who is on what side of the issue, they have a right to a choice and you taking it away.

The funny part of your war it's waged against poor females that can't fight you back, because well to do, and women of mean ignore you and do as they please, which makes you a BULLY!!!!! And a hypocrite for refusing to take care of the females you deny the right of choice too.

I'm trying to protect babies and you call me a bully? Really Tal, put aside your ideology and think about it.

P. S. We aren't the ones knowingly promoting a guy that is the antithesis of what we publicly proclaim just to win the election.

I'm trying to protect babies
I don't think I've heard yet what will happen to that baby saved from abortion and who now is the 5th child of a single mom.

When you tell a female she can't have an abortion because YOU don't like it. It's bullying. Its mighty presumptuous to assume you know what's best for another human being, because of your standards that apply just to you.

Yet you do just that. And if they refuse to comply, you make them by taking away their choice and leaving only your own. That's just wrong. You refuse to take no for an answer, or leave me alone with your ideas or beliefs.

You defend the unborn child, and I defend the poor and the children the choose to have. Write your governor and tell him to expand Medicaid, since he just signed a bill to stop poor females from having an abortion. That's the least you can do. Feed the kids and working poor parents.

I don't think I've heard yet what will happen to that baby saved from abortion and who now is the 5th child of a single mom.

Or a pregnant teen ager.

Or a pregnant teen ager.
Or the first-time mother whose OB has just informed her that the amnio she had during the early part of her third trimester shows that her baby's brain never developed.

Or the first-time mother whose OB has just informed her that the amnio she had during the early part of her third trimester shows that her baby's brain never developed.

Or the two married Walmart workers with two kids already and the condom failed.

Or the two married Walmart workers with two kids already and the condom failed.
Or the 14-year-old who was raped by her step-father and discovered she is pregnant.

Or the 14-year-old who was raped by her step-father and discovered she is pregnant.

Or the 17 year old staying with her boyfriend to escape her meth head parents.

Damn, I actually know all these girls :(

Damn, I actually know all these girls :(
I hope they don't live in Texas or North Carolina (my home state, gack).

When you tell a female she can't have an abortion because YOU don't like it. It's bullying. Its mighty presumptuous to assume you know what's best for another human being, because of your standards that apply just to you.

Ditto.


Yet you do just that. And if they refuse to comply, you make them by taking away their choice and leaving only your own. That's just wrong. You refuse to take no for an answer, or leave me alone with your ideas or beliefs.

Ditto.


You defend the unborn child, and I defend the poor and the children the choose to have. Write your governor and tell him to expand Medicaid, since he just signed a bill to stop poor females from having an abortion. That's the least you can do. Feed the kids and working poor parents.

Don't talk to me about feeding the kids again, I do my part. I don't take from you to do my part which is the left's way.

I get it though, in the liberal world protecting a helpless 20 week old fetus and a poor woman from unsafe conditions and butchers is bad. Putting women in jeopardy from a sexual pervert for the cause is good.

The difference between you and me is I'm all about the sanctity, safety and dignity of the person, you're all about the politics.

The difference between you and me is I'm all about the sanctity, safety and dignity of the person, you're all about the politics.Well so much for honest discussions. Pathetic.

Well so much for honest discussions. Pathetic.

Like you would know anything about honesty.

Hello again, Steve:

I'm all about the sanctity, safety and dignity of the person, you're all about the politics. Seems to me, that supporting policies that FORCE a woman to have a BIG, HUGE vaginal PROBE stuck WAYYYY up inside them, in order to enjoy a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, is ANYTHING but dignified..

Excon

Hello again, Steve:
Seems to me, that supporting policies that FORCE a woman to have a BIG, HUGE vaginal PROBE stuck WAYYYY up inside them, in order to enjoy a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, is ANYTHING but dignified..

excon

I don't recall having ever said I was for FORCING "a woman to have a BIG, HUGE vaginal PROBE stuck WAYYYY up inside them" so you can drop that huge lie.

But I am still interested in how running a known pervert that uses his position to prey on his female employees and women vets who were victims of sexual assault isn't a war on women and preserves the sanctity, safety and dignity of the constituency you're purportedly protecting.Or, how ignoring a known butcher "by design" does the same.

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know what's so hard to understand... ONE pervert does NOT make a war. A political party who makes anti women LAW, is a war.

And, you don't have to SAY you love those BIG HUGE vaginal probes to be stuck WAYYYY up inside women, but you DO support laws that force women to go through it. So, I ain't going to stop talking about it.

excon

Your assumption that we protect a pervert is a false one, as only now are the facts coming to light, and his republican opponents missed it too, because they sure never brought it up either.

Maybe we all got fooled. We miss a lot of sick evil bast@rds nowadays. You guys re elected Sanford, and Gov. Ultra Sound is still serving in Virginia, so you guys are as stupid a you say we are. There is a pretty good list on both sides, so throwing rocks while living in a glass house may not be a winning argument, and a bit self righteous.

Hello again, Steve:

I don't know what's so hard to understand... ONE pervert does NOT make a war. A political party who makes anti women LAW, is a war.

And, you don't have to SAY you love those BIG HUGE vaginal probes to be stuck WAYYYY up inside women, but you DO support laws that force women to go through it. So, I ain't going to stop talking about it.

Excon

I don't know what's so hard to understand either, not every woman is a Planned Parenthood protégé, many are anti-abortion a majority favor a ban at 20 weeks. You have them all lumped in one neat, little box instead of honoring their diversity.

And on top of that you put the policy ahead of the women which I've demonstrated over and over, running a known pervert that uses his position to prey on his female employees and women vets who were victims of sexual assault, ignoring a known butcher "by design", objecting to standards that any other medical facility is required to adhere to for invasive procedures and allow for emergency access in just such cases as one of Gosnell's victims (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exception-or-the-rule-gosnells-house-of-horrors-may-not-be-as-rare-as-you-t).


CSU Officer John Taggart carefully photographed the narrow maze of hallways, stairs, and claustrophobic rooms filled with clutter, so much so that in some cases, one would have had to scoot sideways down the hallway past rows of chairs, empty water jugs, and other items to get from one part of the clinic to another.

Meanwhile, the abortion lobby continues to fight clinic regulations that would ensure emergency workers have gurney access to procedure rooms as if such rules are an outrageous demand meant to deny women their Constitutional rights. But the truth is that if Gosnell’s clinic had complied with such rules that have since been enacted in Pennsylvania, Karamaya Mongar, the immigrant that he is accused of killing during a second trimester abortion procedure, might still be alive today.


“Indeed, the department has shown an utter disregard both for the safety of women who seek treatment at abortion clinics and for the health of fetuses after they have become viable. State health officials have also shown a disregard for the laws the department is supposed to enforce. Most appalling of all, the Department of Health’s neglect of abortion patients’ safety and of Pennsylvania laws is clearly not inadvertent: It is by design,” the report indicates.

So spare me your policy argument, your side is just as guilty if not more so on that front.

Of all people who knew it would be Jack Nicholson (http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/jack-nicholson-abortion-i-m-positively-against-it-i-never-would-have) to make my point about abortion and other life lessons...


Hollywood legend Jack Nicholson, 76, who is retiring from movies it was reported today, is, unlike many liberals in Tinseltown, a staunch pro-lifer who said in a 1984 interview about abortion, “I’m positively against it. I don’t have the right to any other view."

He added that it was the moral character of his mother and grandmother that ensured he himself had not been aborted.

The Academy Award-winning Nicholson was born on Apr. 22, 1937 to a woman named June Frances Nicholson, who was 17 years old at the time and a showgirl dancer. Jack was raised by his maternal grandparents, John Nicholson and Ethel May, believing they were his real parents and that June Frances was his sister. Jack Nicholson did not find out until 1974, after his mother had died of cancer, that June Frances was his real mother.

In the 1984 Rolling Stone interview, Jack Nicholson described his mother and the life she had lived and also talked about abortion.  He said, “I’m very contra my constituency in terms of abortion because I’m positively against it. I don’t have the right to any other view.”

“My only emotion is gratitude, literally, for my life,” said Nicholson.  “If June and Ethel had been of less character, I never would have gotten to live. These women gave me the gift of life.”

“It’s a feminist narrative in the very pure form,” said Nicholson. “They trained me great, those ladies. I still, to this day, have never borrowed a nickel from anybody and never felt like I couldn’t take care of myself. They made the imperative of my self-sufficiency obvious."

I could not have put it better.

I don’t have the right to any other view.”Yes he does. Every one is allowed their opinion. The woman is the final decision maker of course.

I don't have the right to any other view.”

That's his opinion, agree or disagree, but woman have a right to their choices and opinions, BY LAW.