Seems the Koch brothers are interested buying some newspapers via a purchase of the Tribune Company. One WaPo columnist wonders What would the Koch brothers do to the Los Angeles Times? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/harold-meyerson-what-would-the-koch-brothers-do-to-the-los-angeles-times/2013/04/23/469baa94-ac44-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_t witter_washingtonpost) Perhaps the most ridiculous line is “Given the nature of the Kochs’ investment in grass-roots activism and politics, that doesn’t bode well for the kind of fact-based journalism that most American newspapers strive to practice.”

Honestly I didn't know most papers here practiced journalism at all much less anything "fact-based." See Benghazi, 2012 election, Fast and Furious, etc.

The Courage Campaign Daily Kos apparently tried to run had an ad campaign trying to get the Tribune Company to refuse to sell to the Kochs (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/01/1197944/-LA-Times-rejects-Courage-Campaign-Daily-Kos-ad-urging-Tribune-Co-not-to-sell-newspaper-to-Kochs). The ad?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/25888/small/spin.png?1364594938

OK, what are these objective news sources they refer to? Is there any real reason not to sell to the Kochs or any real reason why they shouldn't be allowed to own a media company? Afraid of a little competition or what?

Here is a book about one of the 'gatekeepers of truth' .

Amazon.com: Buried by the Times: The Holocaust and America's Most Important Newspaper (9780521607827): Laurel Leff: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Buried-Times-Holocaust-Important-Newspaper/dp/0521607825)

An in-depth look at how The New York Times failed in its coverage of the fate of European Jews from 1939-1945. It examines how the decisions that were made at The Times ultimately resulted in the minimizing and misunderstanding of modern history's worst genocide. Laurel Leff, a veteran journalist and professor of journalism, recounts how personal relationships at the newspaper, the assimilationist tendencies of The Times' Jewish owner, and the ethos of mid-century America, all led The Times to consistently downplay news of the Holocaust. It recalls how news of Hitler's 'final solution' was hidden from readers and - because of the newspaper's influence on other media - from America at large. Buried by The Times is required reading for anyone interested in America's response to the Holocaust and for anyone curious about how journalists determine what is newsworthy.

Buried by The Times is required reading for anyone interested in America's response to the Holocaust and for anyone curious about how journalists determine what is newsworthy.[/I]


Re that last line, I forgot to include the stellar coverage of this (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/butchers-philadelphia-743581.html)front page story in reference to the fine journalistic efforts of media giants such as the NY Times..

I wonder if the Tribune will accept the Koch bucks ,or take the high ground and sell to' Al Gorezeera' If the Koch Bros. buy it expect to see some Journ-0-lists looking for new work.

Objective new source? What is the worst that can happen? It will go from a left wing propaganda news sheet to a right wing propaganda news sheet.

Of course they are involved in grass-roots activism. They are smart business people. If you see a growing popularity of a niche market then you buy into it.You don't really think grass-roots activism would get anywhere without corporate involvement. Do you?

Tutt I'll ask George Soros and get back to you,

Tutt I'll ask George Soros and get back to you,


Who's George Soros? Part of the ruling elite?

You don't know who George Soros is? Dude

George Soros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros)

Here's yet another story that a Koch-owned newspaper might publish... I just hope none of the perps ever has a child... er, I mean never has a child with autism


Animal-rights activists wreak havoc in Milan laboratory (http://www.nature.com/news/animal-rights-activists-wreak-havoc-in-milan-laboratory-1.12847)

University says loss of animals and lab records may ruin years of work on psychiatric diseases.

Alison Abbott

22 April 2013

A University of Milan lab raided by animal-rights activists hosted rodents used in psychiatric research.

Activists occupied an animal facility at the University of Milan, Italy, at the weekend, releasing mice and rabbits and mixing up cage labels to confuse experimental protocols. Researchers at the university say that it will take years to recover their work.

Many of the animals at the facility are genetic models for psychiatric disorders such as autism and schizophrenia.

No arrests have been made following the 12-hour drama, which took place on Saturday, although the university says that it will press charges against the protesters. The activists took some of the animals and were told during negotiations that they would be permitted to come back later and take more.

The attack was staged by the animal-rights group that calls itself Fermare Green Hill (or Stop Green Hill), in reference to the Green Hill dog-breeding facility near Brescia, Italy, which it targets for closure. Five activists entered laboratories in the university’s pharmacology department on Saturday morning. The lack of signs of a break-in suggests that the activists may have used an illegally acquired electronic card, says pharmacologist Francesca Guidobono-Cavalchini, who works there. They prised open the reinforced doors of the facility on the fourth floor, and two of them chained themselves by the neck to the main double doors such that any attempt to open the doors could have endangered their lives.

They posted pictures of themselves on their organisation’s website, where they also declared that they would stay for as long as it took to get agreement to leave with all the animals. The facility hosts around 800 animals, mostly genetically modified mice but also some rabbits, according to Martino Bolognesi, a structural biologist at the university. The activists had brought supplies of food and sleeping bags.

Meanwhile, hundreds of animal-rights sympathizers demonstrated outside, according to reports in the Italian press.

Researchers who turned up at the lab to work on their experiments found dozens of civil and military police at the scene, says Guidobono-Cavalchini.

Paola Viani, deputy director of the pharmacology department, worked with police to negotiate with the activists. By evening they had reached a compromise whereby the activists left with fewer than 100 animals, with the understanding that they could return for the rest later; negotiations about whether they may do so are still continuing, according Bolognesi.

Some of the mice they removed were delicate mutants and immunosuppressed ‘nude’ mice, which die very quickly outside controlled environments.

In addition to mixing up animals and cage labels to ensure that ongoing experiments would be ruined, the activists also took the names of the experimenters from the cage labels, some of which they later published on their Facebook page.

The university is now calculating the damages and deciding what charges it will press, according to Guidobono-Cavalchini.

Michela Matteoli, a neurobiologist who works on autism and other disorders and lost most of her own research in the attack, says that she found some research students crying in the disrupted facility on Monday morning.

“It will take three people at least a year to build up the colonies we had of mouse models of different psychiatric diseases,” she says.

Yeah those darn scientists got what was coming to them.

You don't know who George Soros is? dude

George Soros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros)

Apparently he also bank-rolls grass roots organizations. It is comforting to know that people such as Soros and the Koch brothers are,"do'en it for the average bloke"

Soros is a criminal .The Koch Bros. are not.
Soros Insider-Trade Appeal Rejected by Human Rights Court - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-27/soros-appeal-of-insider-trading-case-rejected-by-echr-high-court.html)
He's a pirate who brought down the Bank of England and created financial panics in Thailand,and Malaysia.

Soros is a criminal .The Koch Bros. are not.
Soros Insider-Trade Appeal Rejected by Human Rights Court - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-27/soros-appeal-of-insider-trading-case-rejected-by-echr-high-court.html)
He's a pirate who brought down the Bank of England and created financial panics in Thailand,and Malaysia.

Well, that makes all the difference then. I'll pass that onto the 90% of the population.

Yeah those Koch brothers are upstanding citizens all right.

Kochs: Under the Radar, Lawsuits, Violations, and Other Bad Deeds | Watchdog Progressive (http://watchdogprogressive.com/2011/03/kochs-under-the-radar-lawsuits-violations-and-other-bad-deeds/)

Very good Tom. Is this some sort of attempt to defend the ruling elite? I am sure if you defend hard enough there will be a proper seat for you at the table, while the rest of us accept the crumbs.

They play by their own rules and we are the spectators. Too big to prosecute, too big to fail. I am sure this group is acting in your best interests.

And this: Koch Brothers Exposed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Brothers_Exposed)

Exactly what crimes have the Kochs committed besides being wealthy conservatives?

Tal's link list many of them.

A lawsuit is not a crime and damn near everyone that works under federal regulations, especially EPA or DOT, has been cited at some point. Take a look for yourself (http://cfpub.epa.gov/compliance/cases/).

I repeat, exactly what crimes have the Kochs committed besides being wealthy conservatives?

Very good Tom. Is this some sort of attempt to defend the ruling elite? I am sure if you defend hard enough there will be a proper seat for you at the table, while the rest of us accept the crumbs.

They play by their own rules and we are the spectators. Too big to prosecute, too big to fail. I am sure this group is acting in your best interests.

NOBODY is bigger that Soros. The Koch Bros don't represent the ruling elite ,not even close . Soros has been funding them since the Clintoon reign .

Tal's link list many of them.

Apparently none of these people actually do a crime.These types of indiscretions are regarded as misdemeanors. You pay the fine or penalty and go about your business as usual. Committing a crime is for the rest of us Plebs.

It's almost impossible to avoid some violation of the volumes of rules and regulations governing business in this country . All it really takes is an auditor looking to climb up the heirachy ladder ,with a unique interpretation of a rule that 90 % of the other regulators would over-look.
Soros on the other hand is a criminal who lost criminal cases in the French justice system ,and appeals at the World Court.

Apparently none of these people actually do a crime.These types of indiscretions are regarded as misdemeanors. You pay the fine or penalty and go about your business as usual. Committing a crime is for the rest of us Plebs.

Your colors are showing again, relying on a left-wing blog's spin . "These men should be in jail" is obviously objective journalism.

NOBODY is bigger that Soros. The Koch Bros don't represent the ruling elite ,not even close . Soros has been funding them since the Clintoon reign .

That's fine Tom you keep believing that.

Your colors are showing again, relying on a left-wing blog's spin . "These men should be in jail" is obviously objective journalism.

I didn't say they should be in gaol. Did I?

Tut

Here is a rundown with sources:
Koch Industries - SourceWatch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Industries)

If nothing else tit's clear that KDS is a real affliction.

It's almost impossible to avoid some violation of the volumes of rules and regulations governing business in this country . All it really takes is an auditor looking to climb up the heirachy ladder ,with a unique interpretation of a rule that 90 % of the other regulators would over-look.
Soros on the other hand is a criminal who lost criminal cases in the French justice system ,and appeals at the World Court.

While running the risk of being influenced by the Blogs; didn't the article say that criminal charges weren't pursued by the regulators? Your clarification on French jurisprudence would be appreciated.

While prosecutors filed criminal charges, French stock market regulators didn't pursue Soros, saying insider-trading laws were too vague to determine whether he'd broken them.

“The conviction is so old it has been expunged pursuant to French law,” Soffer said.

All I know is that the NY Slimes has vindicated Andrew Breitbart and his investigation into the massive Pigford settlement fraud by the Obama Agriculture and Justice Dept . The Soros funded 'Media Matters' smeared Breitbart for years because of his investigation into the illegal and unconstitutional money transfers that resulted in a $4.4 billion theft by the Obots for payouts to anyone who falsely claimed they were a minority farmer who had been against .

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us/farm-loan-bias-claims-often-unsupported-cost-us-millions.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&pagewanted=all&_r=0

The Soros Media Matters didn't give a damn about the truth . Their role was to give cover to the corrupt Obama Adm.'s pilfer of the public funds.

Too bad Brietbart never went back far enough to get all the facts. This crap started with discrimination back in the 20's but never came to light until the 70's. Even your article sites 3600 of 4400 claimants have won their cases in a court of law, and many more will follow.

I know you guys are really mad that ordinary people can have a day or two in court, and win. Burns conservative butts don't it?

Hello,

My rich guy is better than YOUR rich guy.. NO, he isn't. Yes, he is.. Oh, NOOOO he isn't... Ohhhhh, YESSSSSS, he is..

You've managed to fill 3 pages with this BS..

excon

So the Obama Agriculture and Justice Dept theft of money that wasn't allocated to the program doesn't bother you at all. And it doesn't bother you that they gave much of this money to 'fake farmers ' that had no real claim to it... ie $1.33 billion to compensate not just the 91 plaintiffs but thousands of Hispanic and female farmers who had never claimed bias in court.

I assume you are aware that bribery is one of the two specific crimes listed in the Constitution that a sitting President can be impeached for. And if this wasn't vote buying I don't know what is.

From the article :“From the start, the claims process prompted allegations of widespread fraud and criticism that its very design encouraged people to lie: because relatively few records remained to verify accusations, claimants were not required to present documentary evidence that they had been unfairly treated or had even tried to farm. Agriculture Department reviewers found reams of suspicious claims, from nursery-school-age children and pockets of urban dwellers, sometimes in the same handwriting with nearly identical accounts of discrimination.”
So don't talk about discrimination going back to the 1920s . That is completely irrelevant to the issue unless you are now telling me that this massive fraud and theft of the public treasury was justified as some form of reparations conducted by executive action.

And of course you are aware that the original farmers, who actually had a case for discrimination, haven't gotten a damn thing yet .

As for your distortion about the number of successful claims ;the article addresses that too :
In 16 ZIP codes in Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi and North Carolina, the number of successful claimants exceeded the total number of farms operated by people of any race in 1997, the year the lawsuit was filed. Those applicants received nearly $100 million.....Former federal officials said the bar for a successful claim was so low that it was almost impossible to show criminality. .

So the courts were in on it to huh?

Former federal officials said the bar for a successful claim was so low that it was almost impossible to show criminality. .

That is a direct quote from the Slimes expose . Here are some other revelations... SCOTUS narrowed the legitimate claims to 91 plaintiffs . How is it then that thousands of plaintiffs were paid off ? No it's not the courts ;its the fraud in the Obama Adm that is at issue.
The deal according to SEVERAL CURRENT and FORMER GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS said, was fashioned behind closed doors in White House meetings over the vehement objections of career lawyers and agency officials who argued that there was no credible evidence of widespread discrimination;and that the template for the deal had proved a magnet for fraud.
Stop defending the indefensible .

And not only does the Ag Dept give " farmers" settlement money for never farming... they also promote giving free food to illegal immigrants.
Shocking US government leaflet tells Mexican immigrants they can collect food stamp benefits without admitting they're in the country illegally | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315115/Shocking-US-government-leaflet-tells-Mexican-immigrants-collect-food-stamp-benefits-admitting-theyre-country-illegally.html)

Hello again, tom:

they also promote giving free food to illegal immigrants.OMG!

Excon

That is a direct quote from the Slimes expose . Here are some other revelations ..... SCOTUS narrowed the legitimate claims to 91 plaintiffs . How is it then that thousands of plaintiffs were paid off ? No it's not the courts ;its the fraud in the Obama Adm that is at issue.
The deal according to SEVERAL CURRENT and FORMER GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS said, was fashioned behind closed doors in White House meetings over the vehement objections of career lawyers and agency officials who argued that there was no credible evidence of widespread discrimination;and that the template for the deal had proved a magnet for fraud.
Stop defending the indefensible .


Tom, you are confusing good journalism with bad journalism. The whole idea of having a left wing media and a right wing media is so they can demonstrate that they don't give a dam about the truth.

This is when you took up the line that my rich guys are more honest that your rich guys. To pursue that line is an exercise in futility. What you have come up with now is an exercise in good journalism.

My point was the Breitbart was practicing good investigative journalism 2 years ago ;and the Soros funded 'Media Matters ' smeared him for daring to expose the fraudster in the White House .

My point was the Breitbart was practicing good investigative journalism 2 years ago ;and the Soros funded 'Media Matters ' smeared him for daring to expose the fraudster in the White House .

No doubt that this is true, but it only serves an example of how the left wing media are not interested in the truth. In exactly the same way as it is easy to find examples of how the right wing media are not interested in the truth.

What's the point of trying to demonstrate that your rich guys are more honest than my rich guys. Many of them are dishonest when it comes to the truth regardless of their political leanings. Why? Because they run left and right wing media.

I'll tell you why... because it is the left that demonizes the rich .They decry their influence at the same time they embrace their influence . They call for punitive redistribution at the same time they carve out exceptions for their rich. The true goal which they fail to acknowledge is to keep the club exclusive by eliminating any chance of anyone else joining the club... all the while using the language of egalitarian. You see it here ;the language they use. When we point out the hypocrisy of someone like Soros who owns 1.9 million shares of Halliburton (a company they hate ) or Gore and the Hollywood elites flying around on gas-guzzling, atmosphere-polluting private jets while railing against global climate change ,or the clowns at Wall Street and their revolving door between Wall Street and Washington they defend their actions while at the same time railing against them .
They killed Romney over his off shore investments while being funded by Soros who moved his headquarters to the tax free Caribbean country of Curaçao to avoid paying the US taxes he supports . If the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson is funding campaigns they scream about campaign finance reform while turning a complete blind eye to the Democracy Alliance, a secretive organization of progressive millionaires and billionaires who finance a spider's web network of foundations and Super PACs that operate with undisclosed “dark money.”
Democratic super PACs get jump on 2014, 2016 - POLITICO.com Print View (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=BB81FAE9-F6F5-403A-92CA-5D267A7AEED8)
According to their narrative ,money in politics is corrupting only because rich Republican businessmen trade campaign donations for low taxes and fewer environmental regulations.
Then they call for 100% public financing of elections which not only would pick the pocket of the commoner ;but cement in place the permanence of a ruling elite that would have their grubby paws on all the money allocated to campaigns .
This foundational idea that Republicans act out of self-interest while Democrats act out of the public interest is the keystone to the mythology of your everyday Democrat. It's simplistic and bogus ,and I will continue to point it out no matter how many times they dismiss their participation in it as no big thing.For every Sheldon Adelson ,there is more than one Jeffrey Katzenberg . But of course he ,and Al Gore ,and George Soros are only doing it for altruistic reasons as their own coffers get ever larger.

I'll tell you why....because it is the left that demonizes the rich .They decry their influence at the same time they embrace their influence . They call for punitive redistribution at the same time they carve out exceptions for their rich. The true goal which they fail to acknowledge is to keep the club exclusive by eliminating any chance of anyone else joining the club..... all the while using the language of egalitarian. You see it here ;the language they use. When we point out the hypocrisy of someone like Soros who owns 1.9 million shares of Halliburton (a company they hate ) or Gore and the Hollywood elites flying around on gas-guzzling, atmosphere-polluting private jets while railing against global climate change ,or the clowns at Wall Street and their revolving door between Wall Street and Washington they defend their actions while at the same time railing against them .
They killed Romney over his off shore investments while being funded by Soros who moved his headquarters to the tax free Caribbean country of Curacao to avoid paying the US taxes he supports . If the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson is funding campaigns they scream about campaign finance reform while turning a complete blind eye to the Democracy Alliance, a secretive organization of progressive millionaires and billionaires who finance a spider's web network of foundations and Super PACs that operate with undisclosed “dark money.”
Democratic super PACs get jump on 2014, 2016 - POLITICO.com Print View (http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=BB81FAE9-F6F5-403A-92CA-5D267A7AEED8)
According to their narrative ,money in politics is corrupting only because rich Republican businessmen trade campaign donations for low taxes and fewer environmental regulations.
Then they call for 100% public financing of elections which not only would pick the pocket of the commoner ;but cement in place the permanence of a ruling elite that would have their grubby paws on all the money allocated to campaigns .
This foundational idea that Republicans act out of self-interest while Democrats act out of the public interest is the keystone to the mythology of your everyday Democrat. It’s simplistic and bogus ,and I will continue to point it out no matter how many times they dismiss their participation in it as no big thing.For every Sheldon Adelson ,there is more than one Jeffrey Katzenberg . But of course he ,and Al Gore ,and George Soros are only doing it for altruistic reasons as their own coffers get ever larger.

Well that"s great isn't it?.

You and another member here have, at various times, bemoaned the fact that I am bias in my assessments. You know,"showing my true colours". In the last few threads I have tried to point out that there are no dots to join up for anyone.It is a 50/50 proposition.

But apparently that is still not good enough for you. You are determined to demonize the opposition at all costs. And what do you want me to say as a fair minded person? Your political system is rotten to the core?

You are determined to demonize the opposition at all costs.That is indeed their only motivation for posting in "Current Events".


Your political system is rotten to the core?We, from the outside, can see plain as day but they only see that other side being corrupt and their side being the white knight.

Hello again;

Ok, 5 pages now of my rich guys are better than your rich guys... I AIN'T buying NONE of it. In fact, the MORE you tell me how wonderful YOUR guy is, the LESS wonderful he looks.

I DO like David Koch, though. He sponsors NOVA - my favorite science show.

excon

Al Gore ...doing it for altruistic reasons as their own coffers get ever larger.

That's hilarious. I've known the Gores personally my entire life. There hasn't been an altruistic impulse in that family for at least three generations.

As for the rest of this thread, rich guys stay rich by doing everything they can to protect their riches (DUH!). How they got rich is open for critique, as are their choices in how to protect their riches.

The whole idea of the few controlling the many, while they put profits over people is absurd. That's slavery. Its never mattered about the politics, which is but a means to an end for rich guys anyway.

The real point is the hypocrisy of the left decrying the potential purchase of the LA Times... and it's potential for slanting the news ;in a warning editorial in the Washington Compost... a newspaper substantially owned by Berkshire Hathaway aka Warren Buffet ;another billionaire hero of the left .

The whole idea of the few controlling the many

This is the basis for the entire Progressive movement: the "we know better than you" elitism (pronounced 'arrogance') that ultimately leads to a Stalin or a Mao or a Khomeini or a Castro or an Obama. All tyrants have played this card since the Roundheads told Charles he wasn't divine.

Hello Catsmine:


or an Obama. All tyrants have played this card Pssst.. Tyrants aren't elected and then RE-elected...

Excon

This is the basis for the entire Progressive movement: the "we know better than you" elitism (pronounced 'arrogance') that ultimately leads to a Stalin or a Mao or a Khomeini or a Castro or an Obama. All tyrants have played this card since the Roundheads told Charles he wasn't divine.


Hello Catsmine:

Pssst.. Tyrants aren't elected and then RE-elected...

excon

Yeah, what he said.

Hello Catsmine:

Pssst.. Tyrants aren't elected and then RE-elected...

excon

Really?

Stalin stayed in power how long?
Castro?
Mao Zedong?

Hello again, Catsmine:


Stalin stayed in power how long? Castro? Mao Zedong?Were those ELECTIONS or frauds? I don't think the people, if they had a CHOICE, would have voted for them. Do you?

That's the whole idea of tyranny.. The people don't get a CHOICE.

Excon

That's the whole idea of tyranny.. The people don't get a CHOICE.

excon

Which was my original point. Thanks for your agreement.

We got the guy we voted for by majority vote. BOTH times. Seems to me a tyrant wouldn't want to leave after his term was up.

Hello again, Catsmine:


Which was my original point. Thanks for your agreement.Oh, you HAD a choice.. You just couldn't muster the votes... That's the way it works here.

Besides, if you can't tell the difference between our election and the tyranny of the Soviet Union, we don't have a lot to talk about.

Excon

you can't tell the difference between our election and the tyranny of the Soviet Union

It's getting harder:

TMF: Officials found guilty in Obama ballot fraud / Conservative Fools (http://boards.fool.com/officials-found-guilty-in-obama-ballot-fraud-30656813.aspx?sort=postdate)

Yes KDS is alive and well. In a brazen display of liberal media bias that allegedly does not exist, the Newspaper Guild in conjunction with the CWA union, is campaigning against the possibility of a Tribune Company sale to the Kochs... in the name of objectivity and media integrity of course.


The Newspaper Guild & Communications Workers of America Call on Tribune Company to Protect Newspapers’ Integrity as Sale Proceeds (http://jimromenesko.com/2013/04/30/newspaper-guild-issues-statement-about-tribune-and-koch-brothers/)

Recently you’ve seen many petitions asking that the Koch brothers not be allowed to buy the Tribune Company’s newspapers. We understand why the Kochs breed this distrust. They are active political proponents of harsh right-wing positions. We’re also not certain that Tribune will listen to anything but money when the final decision is made.

What we do know is that great papers publish credible, trusted journalism online and on the printed page. Whoever comes to own these mastheads needs to understand that protecting newsrooms from ideological taint is no small thing. The future of American journalism depends on the ability to print truth, not opinion.

We call on Tribune to make a pledge that they’ll only sell to a buyer that will protect the objectivity of the news product by making a public commitment to doing so. The Newspaper Guild-CWA and the Communications Workers of America seek your support in this goal.

As if newspapers have actually been objective, truthful and brimming with integrity lately.

Also, LA Democrats are having a hissy fit (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-council-times-sale-20130430,0,7766627.story) as well.


Three Los Angeles City Council members -- including a candidate for mayor -- asked their colleagues Tuesday to consider pulling city pension money from the investment firms that own the Los Angeles Times if they sell the publication to buyers who do not support “professional and objective journalism.”

Said one councilman, Bill Rosendahl, “Frankly what I hear about the Koch brothers, if it’s true, it’s the end of journalism.’

Dude, I think we're beyond that stage. Maybe the Kochs could revive journalism.

Ask the morons at the LA Slimes if they'd rather work for a company that is going to shut down ;or for some people who actually understand the market place and can save their p.o.s. newspaper and their "pretend we are objective gate-keepers of the truth " jobs.Tut is right... they want to pick their corporate masters . But if they think they'd get a fair deal from Warren Buffet... well then Jerry Brown has a high speed rail road to nowhere to sell them

Half the morons at the Times raised their hand when asked if they'd quit if the Kochs bought it. I tend to think that's mostly show, even lefty newspaper employees know what the job market is like, especially in newspapers.

This would be appropriate on the "it's come to this" thread as well. A lefty coalition is begging Tribune not to sale to the Kochs (http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/coalition-protests-tribune-sale-radical-right-wing-koch-brothers-90186)for all the usual reasons, i.e. a Koch owned outlet "could not be trusted to provide an honest account of a wide variety of issues that are of vital importance to the public."

The kicker is Daily Kos is part of this coalition calling for an "honest account" of important stuff. No, seriously.

This would be appropriate on the "it's come to this" thread as well. A lefty coalition is begging Tribune not to sale to the Kochs (http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/coalition-protests-tribune-sale-radical-right-wing-koch-brothers-90186)for all the usual reasons, i.e. a Koch owned outlet "could not be trusted to provide an honest account of a wide variety of issues that are of vital importance to the public."

The kicker is Daily Kos is part of this coalition calling for an "honest account" of important stuff. No, seriously.


Lurching from one extreme to the other is never going to solve this problem. I think this is as plain as the nose on my face. And I have a large nose.

Are you suggesting that such a sale will change anything?

Lurching from one extreme to the other is never going to solve this problem. I think this is as plain as the nose on my face. And I have a large nose.

Are you suggesting that such a sale will change anything?

I'm suggesting that it's a free country and a private individual with the means to buy a newspaper should be able to do so without being bullied by partisans. In other words, (a) their hypocrisy is breathtaking and (b) it's none of their damn business who Tribune sells to.

Hello again, Steve:


(a) their hypocrisy is breathtaking and (b) it's none of their damn business who Tribune sells to.Right... Al Gore can sell his business to anybody he wants to.

Wait... Aren't we talking about him??

Excon

I'm suggesting that it's a free country and a private individual with the means to buy a newspaper should be able to do so without being bullied by partisans. In other words, (a) their hypocrisy is breathtaking and (b) it's none of their damn business who Tribune sells to.

That logic applies to dope dealers who launder their money in US banks and buy legit businesses, and politicians too right?

That logic applies to dope dealers who launder their money in US banks and buy legit businesses, and politicians too right?

The Kochs are doing nothing illegal in in trying to buy a newspaper.

Hello again, Steve:

Right... Al Gore can sell his business to anybody he wants to.

Wait... Aren't we talking about him???

excon

No, but did these same people throw a hissy fit over him selling to Al Jazeera?

The Kochs are doing nothing illegal in in trying to buy a newspaper.And Daily Kos is doing nothing illegal is airing their opinion. Now what?

And Daily Kos is doing nothing illegal is airing their opinion. Now what?

Did I call it illegal or equate it with something that was as Tal did or attempt to prevent them from airing their opinion? Uh, no. I called it bullying, hypocritical and none of their damn business, yes.

It certainly isn't bullying. It isn't hypocritical since Daily Kos as a company has done nothing close to what Koch companies do: Koch Industries - SourceWatch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Industries)
And offering an opinion don't involve it being any "of their damn business".

It certainly isn't bullying. it isn't hypocritical since Daily Kos as a company has done nothing close to what Koch companies do: Koch Industries - SourceWatch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Industries)
and offering an opinion don't involve it being any "of their damn business".

I get it, you suffer from KDS also.

Smh

smh

Yeah, I can't figure out NK's "logic" either.

It certainly isn't bullying.

OK genius, it is an attempt to bully the Tribune into bowing to their will.


it isn't hypocritical since Daily Kos as a company has done nothing close to what Koch companies do: Koch Industries - SourceWatch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Industries)

Aside from the fact that's about the most convoluted reasoning ever, the hypocrisy is in Kos and co. posing as guardians of "accurate, unbiased information" in the media.


and offering an opinion don't involve it being any "of their damn business".

The express purpose of the coaltion's campaign is to "Stop The Sale Of Tribune Co. Newspapers To Koch Brothers," not merely offer an opinion. If they want to "stop the sale" they're interfering in a transaction that's none of their damn business.

Like I said, hypocrites bullying Tribune in something that's none of their damn business. Actually, I find it quite un-American as well.

OK genius, it is an attempt to bully the Tribune into bowing to their will. But you offer your opinion in how the current administration are crooks and should be doing things differently. You do this every single day. Are you a bully too?

But you offer your opinion in how the current administration are crooks and should be doing things differently. You do this every single day. Are you a bully too?

Do you not think before you write this crap or are you so eager to try and make me look bad you can't help but look foolish in the process?

But you are doing the same thing as Daily Kos are doing - you have a campaign to discredit the current administration and all things liberal. Aren't you a bully too?

Now, now, NK, just because you throw rocks doesn't mean you are a bully. We call it PARTISAN.

But you are doing the exact same thing as Daily Kos are doing - you have a campaign to discredit the current administration and all things liberal. Aren't you a bully too?

Felling bullied are you? Awww...

Apparently you are... by a blog.

Apparently you are ... by a blog.

LOL, though logic continues to evade you today I'll offer one probably vain piece of advice for you, rule one when digging yourself a hole is to stop digging.

LOL, though logic continues to evade you today I'll offer one probably vain piece of advice for you, rule one when digging yourself a hole is to stop digging.

Not really it is get a bigger shovel

not really it is get a bigger shovel

That seems to be his rule.

Scott Pelley of CBS admits that he sucks .
Scott Pelley: 'Journalists Are Getting Big Stories Wrong, Over & Over Again' - NowThis News (http://www.nowthisnews.com/news/scott-pelley/)

CBS anchor Scott Pelley said at a speech at Quinnipiac University that journalists "are getting big stories wrong, over and over again." No shiite !
"Let me take the first arrow: During our coverage of Newtown, I sat on my set and I reported that Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school. And that her son had attacked her classroom. It's a hell of a story, but it was dead wrong. Now, I was the managing editor, I made the decision to go ahead with that and I did, and that's what I said, and I was absolutely wrong. So let me just take the first arrow here."

Pelley said the republic relies on the quality of the news business. "Democracies succeed or fail based on their journalism," ... "America is strong because its journalism is strong. That's how democracies work. They're only as good as the quality of the information that the public possesses. And that is where we come in."

My only quibble with him is in his thinking that this is a recent development . For a long time now these so call gate keepers of the truth have spun the news based on their pre-conceived notions and ideological spin. The only difference now is that there are "people in pajamas 'doing the heavy lifting that the independent press abandoned a long time ago.

Edit by the way... NBC has hired a tabloid journalist to head NBC News
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/business/media/nbc-to-name-new-head-of-news-division.html
So tell me again why the Koch Bros owning a newspaper is a bad idea .

She's no tabloid journalist:


Ms. Turness has strong credentials. She has worked at ITN, a British producer of television news, for 25 years. ITN provides three daily newscasts to ITV, a broadcaster that is one of the BBC’s main rivals in Britain, under the banner of ITV News. Ms. Turness has overseen those newscasts as the editor of ITV News since 2004.

ITN's first bulletin aired on 22 September 1955, the day commercial television was born in the UK. ITN began its own World News bulletins in the late 1980s, which were shown around the world on local television channels, particularly on PBS stations in the US, where presenter Daljit Dhaliwal (now with Al-Jazeera English) enjoyed cult status.

These were discontinued in 2001, in the face of competition from dedicated news channels such as BBC World (now known as BBC World News), although it still provides footage to CNN International and reports often appear on PBS NewsHour. Its ITV Evening News bulletin was shown on the Newsworld International cable channel in the US.

In the 1990s, under new ownership, it was accused of abandoning its previous news style, which was broadsheet in style to mid-market tabloid with news stories that focused on personalities in the news rather than heavy news coverage.

The change in style matched changes in the nature of news coverage on the ITV Network (which has seen the network and ITN accused of dumbing down its style), which saw the axing of the long-running and award winning World in Action current affairs and investigative journalism news programme in 1998.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITN

Scott Pelley of CBS admits that he sucks .
Scott Pelley: 'Journalists Are Getting Big Stories Wrong, Over & Over Again' - NowThis News (http://www.nowthisnews.com/news/scott-pelley/)

CBS anchor Scott Pelley said at a speech at Quinnipiac University that journalists "are getting big stories wrong, over and over again." No shiite !
"Let me take the first arrow: During our coverage of Newtown, I sat on my set and I reported that Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school. And that her son had attacked her classroom. It's a hell of a story, but it was dead wrong. Now, I was the managing editor, I made the decision to go ahead with that and I did, and that's what I said, and I was absolutely wrong. So let me just take the first arrow here."

Pelley said the republic relies on the quality of the news business. "Democracies succeed or fail based on their journalism," ...... "America is strong because its journalism is strong. That's how democracies work. They're only as good as the quality of the information that the public possesses. And that is where we come in."

My only quibble with him is in his thinking that this is a recent development . For a long time now these so call gate keepers of the truth have spun the news based on their pre-conceived notions and ideological spin. The only difference now is that there are "people in pajamas 'doing the heavy lifting that the independent press abandoned a long time ago.

edit btw ...NBC has hired a tabloid journalist to head NBC News
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/business/media/nbc-to-name-new-head-of-news-division.html
So tell me again why the Koch Bros owning a newspaper is a bad idea .

You have already provided the answer to your question. It is because there is an equal probability that the news will be based on pre-conceived ideas and ideological spin.

That's the way it always was. This notion of an unbiased press has always been a fiction . I am content with a system where all points of view can be expressed ,and let the market decide who succeeds and fails .

That's the way it always was. This notion of an unbiased press has always been a fiction . I am content with a system where all points of view can be expressed ,and let the market decide who succeeds and fails .

Tom, you are an ideologue. Surely you can make some room for a little bit of fiction in this area.

My apologies. I withdraw the comment.

And yet you didn't edit the comment

and yet you didn't edit the comment

I didn't edit it because I thought that you would have already read it.

You made a legitimate comment and my response didn't address the issue you raised.

So the press is biased, that what comes of insisting on a free press, they can be as biased as they want to be

The left wants a monopoly on the media plain and simple. They hate Fox and talk radio because of their success and fear the Kochs could eat into their brand even more. It's why they long for the fairness doctrine, they don't want to compete in the market.

The left wants a monopoly on the media plain and simple. They hate Fox and talk radio because of their success and fear the Kochs could eat into their brand even more. It's why they long for the fairness doctrine, they don't want to compete in the market.

I didn't quite get that.

Do you mean the left media would be forced to share the market place?

Who longs for the fairness doctrine?

Liberals, progressives, the left. No they don't want to share the market place, they want Fox and conservative talk radio shut down. They have actually tried to silence Limbaugh, and if they can't shut them down they demand equal time as if they don't already control most of the media. They're horrified at the thought of more conservatives owning another share in my opinion.

OK, so we can't let the Kochs buy a newspaper because we need an honest accounting of things that are important to and affect the lives of Americans, right? Because goodness knows that's what the left's lapdog, echo chamber media does, yes?

While others are actually reporting on the UGLY, OUTRAGEOUS, ILLEGAL efforts of the most feared government agency in targeting and harassing conservative groups SINCE 2010, whose senior officials have known about this for at least TWO YEARS and LIED to congress about it, the NY Times focuses on what's important to Americans here:

I.R.S. Focus on Conservatives Gives G.O.P. an Issue to Seize On (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/us/politics/republicans-call-for-irs-inquiry-after-disclosure.html?hp&_r=2&)

Dang right it does, as at least one prominent progressive agrees (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dennis-kucinich-slams-irss-tea-party-political-targeting-how-can-it-not-be/), it should give EVERY American an issue to seize on and demand accountability on and protection from such future abuses. The question here is why doesn't it give the most prominent newspaper in the country an issue to seize on?

I guess we need those Kochs in the media business. Don't we?

Nice soaring right wing rhetoric, but if conservative groups were targeted by the big bad IRS, then who were the majority of those left? TParty and patriots were only 25% and you guys are so outraged you don't care who the others were. Lets get some more facts here guys.

Nice soaring right wing rhetoric, but if conservative groups were targeted by the big bad IRS, then who were the majority of those left? TParty and patriots were only 25% and you guys are so outraged you don't care who the others were. Lets get some more facts here guys.

Dude, the only spinning is you. I gave you the FACTS from the get go and they're getting worse. You and Jay Carney are the only two on the planet defending the indefensible here. Get your head out of the sand, Tal. As a friend, I'm just saying you're going to look really silly in short order if you keep dodging this issue this way.

Then you must know ALL the groups in question are. Care to share?

Then you must know ALL the groups in question are. Care to share?

Look buddy, that the IRS issued a preemptive 'apology' to conservative groups ahead of the IG's report should tell you all you need to know about who was targeted. C'mon, this is a no-brainer.

Yeah it wasn't only TP.. it was also pro-Israel groups .

U.S. Presidential Election: Americans In Israel Vote For Mitt Romney (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/us-presidential-election-americans-israel_n_2078983.html)


A survey by iVoteIsrael, a nonpartisan get-out-the-vote organization, found that 85 percent of American voters in Israel cast absentee ballots for Romney. The group polled 1,572 U.S. expatriates between Oct. 22 and 24, and said the survey had a margin of error of 2.5 percentage points.


In the United States, Obama won 78 percent of the Jewish vote in 2008, according to exit polls at the time. Recent polls show the president down as much as 10 percentage points because of economic and foreign policy concerns, but by and large, American Jews remain firmly in the liberal camp that backs Obama – unlike American immigrants in Israel.

U.S. Presidential Election: Americans In Israel Vote For Mitt Romney (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/05/us-presidential-election-americans-israel_n_2078983.html)

Is there a point? Probably not, just more distraction.

Now, for the NEXT strike against Obama who isn't having a very good day, his DoJ has been spying on the Associated Press.


Govt obtains wide AP phone records in probe (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/govt-obtains-wide-ap-phone-records-probe)

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.

The records obtained by the Justice Department listed incoming and outgoing calls, and the duration of each call, for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and the main number for AP reporters in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP.

In all, the government seized those records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown but more than 100 journalists work in the offices whose phone records were targeted on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.

In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.

The government would not say why it sought the records.

I'm sure Obama knows nothing about this. Ok Tal, spin away...

If Obamas supporters were also targeted with his enemies for tax status it was hardly JUST the right.

From your own link,


Among those whose phone numbers were obtained were five reporters and an editor who were involved in the May 7, 2012 story.

The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of providing classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.


William Miller, a spokesman for Machen, said Monday that in general the U.S. attorney follows "all applicable laws, federal regulations, and Department of Justice policies when issuing subpoenas for phone records of media organizations" but he would not address questions about the specifics of the AP records. "We do not comment on ongoing criminal investigations," Miller said in an e-mail.

Um Tal, two different abuses of power. That he doesn't give a rip about anyone's rights should open your eyes. But go on, keep excusing the inexcusable, we have your back.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/182767_302930243173494_5101208_n.jpg

The gun-running fail, nationalizing the auto and insurance companies, the 'enemies list,' using covert operatives for photo ops, lying about blown operations, attempts at gun registration/confiscation, illegally intimidating political opponents, monitoring the press. All Barry needs now is an ugly green suit with eight pounds of gold trim and he can be like his departed hero Hugo.

Even the National Journal finds him losing credibility.
Benghazi, IRS Create Perfect Storm Threatening Obama's Credibility - NationalJournal.com (http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/benghazi-irs-create-perfect-storm-threatening-obama-s-credibility-20130513)

Wow. This went beyond the Cincinnati office, IRS offices in Washington and at least two other cities were involved.

IRS officials in Washington were involved in targeting of conservative groups - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-denounces-reported-irs-targeting-of-conservative-groups/2013/05/13/a0185644-bbdf-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html)

The Cincy IRS office also released confidential applications to ProPublica of 9 conservative groups that hadn't been approved yet.

IRS Office That Targeted Tea Party Also Disclosed Confidential Docs From Conservative Groups - ProPublica (http://www.propublica.org/article/irs-office-that-targeted-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs)

Strike three today, not only did senior IRS officials know about this targeting since at least 2011, the new and current director has known for a year.

IRS says current acting commissioner learned in May 2012 that tea party groups were targeted - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/irs-says-current-acting-commissioner-learned-in-may-2012-that-tea-party-groups-were-targeted/2013/05/13/21657c88-bc15-11e2-b537-ab47f0325f7c_story.html)

Add Benghazi, Fast & Furious, HHS extortion and spying on the media and tell us why again why we're supposed to trust our government?

P.S. The same Dingy Harry that claimed he knew Romney wasn't paying hus taxes actually supoorted a Senate investigation.

Are we to believe that AP was the only news agency targeted with their irrational obsession with FOX ?

The way this admin targets its enemies I don't believe it.

Hmmm This is how it started in Germany, The gestapo stared in an obsure police department, so now you have the inquisition regulation services all you need is someone with the power of search and who knows what you will find

Fun fact, Obama's Organizing for America - which also runs his overtly political Twitter account - is also a 501(c)(4) organization. Apparently the IRS didn't target it for scrutiny.

Hello, again:

Pursuant to the IRS:
Social welfare organizations: Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of SOCIAL WELFARE... In MY view, the word "exclusive", doesn't mean "primarily", but I'm not in government..

I don't know why the taxpayers have to subsidize political crap. If I remember correctly, tom is against the tax exemption churches get. Seems like he'd be against this one too.

Excon

Hello, again:

Pursuant to the IRS:In MY view, the word "exclusive", doesn't mean "primarily", but I'm not in government..

I don't know why the taxpayers have to subsidize political crap. If I remember correctly, tom is against the tax exemption churches get. Seems like he'd be against this one too.

excon

I'm against all of the tax exemptions . My goal is the abolishment of this power hungry corrupt bureaucracy .

Through the nanny state, bureaucracy has constantly expanded, the result of the rising number of social and economic functions taken on by the state. But when bureaucracy reaches a certain degree of mass and power, it becomes almost automatically resistant to any will, including the elected will of the people.

Robert Nisbet argued in 1953 the rise of the powerful modern state had eroded the sources of community;the family, the neighborhood, the church etc. As the traditional ties that bind fell away, the human impulse toward community led people to turn even more to the government itself, allowing statism,even totalitarianism,to flourish.

Few things so clearly separate the liberalism of the nineteenth century from twentieth-century liberalism and progressivism as the nearly complete acceptance by the latter of bureaucracy......

More and more, I suspect, revolt in the West in whatever form it takes–peaceful and political, violent and terroristic, or military–will consist of hatred of bureaucracy and passionate desire to destroy it. It is the immensity of bureaucracy at the present time, and the growing immensity of opposition to it, that promises a drive toward total reconstruction that must itself be laden with implications of despotism.
(Quest for Community )


But now this IRS has been empowered with the enforcement of the whole medical care system in the country on top of their ever expanding power over your purse. If this is the type of behavior we can expect from them then we know where the death panel will reside.

Hello, again:

Pursuant to the IRS:In MY view, the word "exclusive", doesn't mean "primarily", but I'm not in government..

I don't know why the taxpayers have to subsidize political crap. If I remember correctly, tom is against the tax exemption churches get. Seems like he'd be against this one too.

Excon

That's a side issue, like Pelosi blaming SCOTUS. We cannot have the IRS targeting people for their political views and it's clear this is getting much, much deeper and more troubling by the hour.

They leaked info on Karl Rove's group after ProPublica requested it.

They leaked confidential info on the National Organization for Marriage (http://www.nomblog.com/35132) "just a few months after Joseph Solmonese, then president of the HRC, was appointed a national co-chair of the Obama reelection campaign."

They leaked the entire donor list (http://www.texasobserver.org/revealed-the-corporations-and-billionaires-that-fund-the-texas-public-policy-foundation/) of the Texas Public Policy Foundation.

They allegedly had a "working group" just to scrutinize conservative groups (http://freebeacon.com/heightened-scrutiny/):


“More than a year ago, one of these guys, really a slip of the tongue, [said] ‘Yeah we have this new working group that’s really looking at all these conservative organizations,’” Backer said. “And that’s when we knew it was gonna be a problem.”

And on top of it all top IRS officials knew about it, including the current head, and denied it.

The corruption is the issue and nothing else.

I just wonder what the effect of all of this had on the 2012 elections . Clearly after the 2010 mid-terms the TP was riding high. Then they sort of fell off the radar last year. Was this intimidation responsible ,or did it play a role ?

I just wonder what the effect of all of this had on the 2012 elections . Clearly after the 2010 mid-terms the TP was riding high. Then they sorta fell off the radar last year. Was this intimidation responsible ,or did it play a role ?

Some of this info most definitely led to smears of Romney.

Back to, wait, which scandal? Oh yeah, snooping on the media and other heavy-handed attempts by this admin to control the message...

Remember back in February when Bob Woodward went public about the White House threatening him after he said they were not telling the truth about the sequester? The media was not too kind to Woodward after that...

Would all the reporters who savaged Bob Woodward now like to apologize? (http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/05/would-all-the-reporters-who-savaged-bob-woodward-now-like-to-apologize/#more)

THis is the drift from President Zero...

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-prn1/c47.0.300.300/s160x160/22270_279962258939_452507_n.jpg

You know its just killing him that he can't Blame Bush for everything 20 times a day.

Are we to believe you are on the side of the lame stream media? Or see a tool to make noise about the President yet again?

I think it's the latter.

Tal... get with the program... even OBAMA admits this stuff happened. He and Eric however are pleading ignorance to everything though.. never mind it's their jobs to know what's going on in their respective organizations... and the buck stops at the head honchos desk.

I will never get with the right wing program of hollering and doing nothing. And there is a lot of work to do.

I will never get with the right wing program of hollering and doing nothing. And there is a lot of work to do.

THen how about Listening to Obama... he admitted this stuff is going on... so he's a liar to you now too? I can guarantee you HE didn't join the RNC.

I will never get with the right wing program of hollering and doing nothing. And there is a lot of work to do.

Dude, again - Republicans are not running this show and if you can't see that these scandals are worth hollering about you need to wake up. Seems you expect us to shut up and roll over while Dems expand the very Leviathan that you can't control now. No way, there are so many abuses of power and coverups right now we will not shut up while the government steamrolls us - and you.

Hello again,

Let me see. Benghazi isn't a scandal.. It's right wing orgasm. IRS?? The scandal there is that ANYBODY got a tax exemption for political crap.. That's NOT the intent of congress.. The AP? Maybe that was hamhanded, but I don't see a scandal..

Next?

excon

Says the guy whose president's OFA and Twitter account are the same type of organization, getting a tax break for political crap while his IRS is running roughshod over his political enemies for no good reason.

Four people got killed at an American Embassy because Obama flunkies ORDERED the military to stand down... then they spent weeks lying about it.


If that doesn't qualify as a scandal NOTHING possibly can.

Four people got killed at an American Embassy because Obama flunkies ORDERED the military to stand down....then they spent weeks lieing about it.


If that doesn't qualify as a scandal NOTHING possibly can.

Not just four Americans, an American AMBASSADOR! That has happened precisely six times in all of history. It IS a big deal, ex.

Hello again, warriors:

Right wingers are funny... They think semi automatic rifles will defend them against the 82nd Airborne, and they think F-16's would have SAVED the ambassador..

Bwa, ha ha ha..

excon

Hello again, warriors:

Right wingers are funny... They think semi automatic rifles will defend them against the 82nd Airborne, and they think F-16's would have SAVED the ambassador..

Bwa, ha ha ha..

excon

Then explain what the Dept of Homeland Security needs BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition for... so much its exceeding what manufactuers can make and sucking everything out of the market. Are they planning another Nazi Germany oppression of the population?

Try buying a 1,000 round case right now... if you can find any the prices are 2 to 3 times what they were just a year ago.

Yet when we were still fighting TWO wars there was plenty on the market.

Hello again, warriors:

Right wingers are funny... They think semi automatic rifles will defend them against the 82nd Airborne, and they think F-16's would have SAVED the ambassador..

Bwa, ha ha ha..

excon

Feeble, ex. Really feeble. It's good the filters won't let you curse, or your posts would have a blue window by now. At least that's the way all the other Lefties are reacting this week.

I bet EX would have been upset if HE was at the Embassy being attacked by troglodytes and when he called begging for help they gave him the one finger salute.

At least in Vietnam he had others that had his back... maybe not as many as he hoped at times... but some is better than none.

I bet EX would have been upset if HE was at the Embassy being attacked by troglodytes and when he called begging for help they gave him the one finger salute.

At least in Vietnam he had others that had his back....maybe not as many as he hoped at times....but some is better than none.

The truly funny part is HE is the one buying into the tinfoil hat stories that the 82nd or other units will attack the citizenry. Ex, do you really think Barry is firing all the officers who WON'T do a Kent State?

Hello again,

Why do you assume I'm talking about the Army going on the attack.. Guys like Ted Nugent are itching to get off a shot. If you've paid attention, you haven't heard the Army rattling its swords, but you've sure heard the right wingers doing it. You're even going to MARCH on Washington with FULLY loaded firearms.. You hear people like smoothy complaining that they can't get bullets...

Nope, it's NOT the Army that's provoking stuff.. It's YOU guys. I suppose you ARE provoking stuff, because you actually believe that you, with your puny rifles, are going to win a war against the US. Army...

Oh, yeah... You ALSO are deluded with the idea that MOST of the soldiers would desert and join the rebellion, and THAT'S how you'd win...

I say again,

Bwa, ha ha ha ha..

excon

Hello again,

Why do you assume I'm talking about the Army going on the attack.. Guys like Ted Nugent are itching to get off a shot. If you've paid attention, you haven't heard the Army rattling its swords, but you've sure heard the right wingers doing it. You're even going to MARCH on Washington with FULLY loaded firearms.. You hear people like smoothy complaining that they can't get bullets...

Nope, it's NOT the Army that's provoking stuff.. It's YOU guys. I suppose you ARE provoking stuff, because you actually believe that you, with your puny rifles, are gonna win a war against the US. Army...

Oh, yeah... You ALSO are deluded with the idea that MOST of the soldiers would desert and join the rebellion, and THAT'S how you'd win...

I say again,

Bwa, ha ha ha ha..

excon

Someone got a bad bag of stuff...


Seriously.. The Republicans attached the Embassy and were blaming it on Islamic Terrorists? And we killed four people to make it look good?

Well who do you think gave the stand down orders? Republicans weren't in the positions that had the authority to do that... Hillary couldn't even do that.. only the President could.

We had rapid reaction troops in Sicily, Italy since Regan was in office because of Daffy Duck... they were a LOT closer than Washinton, DC is to New York. And they were told to stand down.

Hello again, warriors:

Right wingers are funny... They think semi automatic rifles will defend them against the 82nd Airborne, and they think F-16's would have SAVED the ambassador..

Bwa, ha ha ha..

excon

Nothing would've saved the Ambassador except proper security before the attack. 9 hrs later when the attack was still ongoing ? It is indisputable that we had assests in place to get there by then. General Hamm was told to stand down. At least 2 people and unknown injured could've been saved... and the grounds would've been secured for whoever was going to investigate the incident .

What happened here in case you forget is that the 2 guys who died at the CIA compound defied orders to save the rest of the people at the mission.

I don't understand... I thought we believed in 'leaving no one behind'... In Mogadishu our troops drove through a gauntlet to save their brothers . Here the attitude was "it's too far away" or "we don't know the situtation on the ground" ? Huh ? They knew EXACTLY the situation on the ground . Panetta , Evita ,Brennan decided to let them fend for themselves. If it wasn't for the courageous sacrifice of Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty then maybe we are talking about 30 killed .

Hello again, warriors:

Right wingers are funny... They think semi automatic rifles will defend them against the 82nd Airborne, and they think F-16's would have SAVED the ambassador..

Bwa, ha ha ha..

excon

I don't believe F16s are part of any quick reaction team, they only seat one I believe. We're not stupid, ex.

But an F-16 utilized would've made a difference . Before they were killed ,Tyrone Woods & Glen Doherty were laser targeting the source of the mortars firing ;and were calling in coordinates . An F-16 could've easily taken the mortar out of play ;and maybe scatter the rest of the attackers.

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The Emperor FINALLY calls in the Marines .

But an F-16 utilized would've made a difference . Before they were killed ,Tyrone Woods & Glen Doherty were laser targeting the source of the mortars firing ;and were calling in coordinates . An F-16 could've easily taken the mortar out of play ;and maybe scatter the rest of the attackers.

Good point, it was early.

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The Emperor FINALLY calls in the Marines .

Yeah, leave it to Obama to turn a Marine into Mary Poppins.

Bush would have been man enough to hold his own Umbrella

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The Emperor FINALLY calls in the Marines .

I like to think that Marine out of his selfless ove of country was hoping to draw a lightning bolt that would have solved our problems right then and there.

Hello again,


was hoping to draw a lightning bolt that would have solved our problems right then and there.This is a PERFECT example of our differences... I did NOT like the policy's of George W. Bush. But, I did NOT wish him harm.

Liberals are soooo much better that right wingers.

Excon

Hello again,

This is a PERFECT example of our differences... I did NOT like the policy's of George W. Bush. But, I did NOT wish him harm.

Liberals are soooo much better that right wingers.

excon

I wasn't the one waving around an umbrella during a storm. I suppose the Anointed one.. would have melted if rain fell on him... being he's related to the wicked witch of the West.

Liberals are soooo much better that right wingers.

excon

Yes, we can be. It['s a crying shame there are only two or three liberals in the entire District of Columbia. These Progressive elitists that have taken over the Democrat Party are the embodiment of evil and deserve to die alone and in pain and on camera.

Hello again,

This is a PERFECT example of our differences... I did NOT like the policy's of George W. Bush. But, I did NOT wish him harm.

Liberals are soooo much better that right wingers.

excon

Um, I've never wished anyone harm and I believe that's the prevailing attitude among conservatives. On the other hand, liberals wanted Bush dead so bad they fantasized about it in a movie... and as recently as last month after his library opened (http://www.punditpress.com/2013/04/as-expected-liberals-call-for-death-of.html).

Don't preach that self-righteous crap about liberals to me, I remember the pure hatred expressed regularly toward Bush, Cheney and conservatives in general.

Here's your chance to stand up and save the world from the Kochs. All you need is to pool together $660 million.

Liberal Group Starts Indiegogo Crowd-Funding Campaign To Outbid Koch Brothers For Tribune Papers (http://www.mediaite.com/online/liberal-group-starts-crowd-funding-campaign-to-outbid-koch-brothers-for-tribune-papers/)

Maybe al-Jazerra will contribute.

Um, I've never wished anyone harm and i believe that's the prevailing attitude among conservatives.

No doubt true with the exception of post 141

Tut

I believe the term "prevailing attitude" left room for outliers but I thought that was obvious.

I believe the term "prevailing attitude" left room for outliers but I thought that was obvious.

Yes it is, but you were rather critical of Chis Matthews. I mean 10 to 20 percent of,"outliers" is is a significant number in terms of attitude.

Yes it is, but you were rather critical of Chis Matthews. I mean 10 to 20 percent of,"outliers" is is a significant number in terms of attitude.

Since you mentioned Chris Matthews, even he is noticing that the President isn't Presidential, that the term Campaigner in Chief is accurate.

Chris Matthews: Obama 'Thrill' Gone - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-matthews-obama-irs-scandal-ap-phone-benghazi-2013-5)

Since you mentioned Chris Matthews, even he is noticing that the President isn't Presidential, that the term Campaigner in Chief is accurate.

Chris Matthews: Obama 'Thrill' Gone - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-matthews-obama-irs-scandal-ap-phone-benghazi-2013-5)

Perhaps he is part of the 10 to 20 percent that was commenting on the other 10 to 20 percent. That is a figure somewhere between between 10 to 40 percent. Perhaps this is where the problem lies?

Koch LA Times Buyout Enrages Protesters: What We Saw at the "Save Our News" Rally

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Opening remark: 'Here's the headline I want to see in the Los Angeles Times tomorrow, "Los Angeles to Koch brothers, drop dead!"'

At about 50 seconds in a nice lady explains why they shouldn't sell to the Kochs:


PROTESTER: We’re at a point in our history where we need to be a little more open-minded. Um, a little bit more liberal on views all across the board.

WEISSMUELLER: [The] Kochs self-describe as libertarian, and they fund a lot of groups that are against the drug war. The LA Times came out against Prop 19, which would have legalized marijuana in LA, and they’ve pushed anti-dispensary measures. Are you worried that in some sense they would push the LA Times to the left on those kind of issues?

PROTESTER: Um, I believe that regardless of their views, it’s not what the general populace needs.

Alternate headline: Don't sell to the Kochs because we need to more open-minded says closed-minded morons.

Alternate headline: Don't sell to the Kochs because we need to more open-minded says closed-minded morons.

At the risk of stating the obvious... What you need is to stop gravitating to the far left and far right.

Hello T:

The problem with your analysis, is that the left isn't moving leftward, but the right is moving rightward lickety split.

excon

The only further left they can go is a 'people's republic' . The emperor purged the ranks of the so called moderate 'blue dog' Dems after he got from them what he wanted,. support for Obamacare . One of the last to survive ,Max Baucus is outa there soon leaving the Dems to the likes of Al Franken and the Schmuckster .

Hello T:

The problem with your analysis, is that the left isn't moving leftward, but the right is moving rightward lickety split.

excon

That could be true Ex. I don't know. To be honest... you've got me there.

Hello again, tom:


leaving the Dems to the likes of Al Franken and the Schmuckster .The problem with your analysis, is that Al Franken WAS a comedian.. Michelle Bachmann IS a comedian.

Excon

And the left effectively purged that threat. That's why Cruz is now in their cross hairs. BTW... I'd love it if Bachmann ran for Franken's seat.

Hello again, tom:

If you have a minute, would you please tell us WHY Michell Bachmann is qualified to represent ANYBODY?

Let me just throw out MY favorite STUPID thing she did (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/15/us-cancer-hpv-idUSTRE78E5YM20110915). Some lady walked up to Michell Bachmann and told her that after being vaccinated with the HPV vaccine, her children turned retarded. So, immediately, the bright light of the right, went on TV to tell the nation that the vaccine was dangerous, and their children could become retards if the mothers were vaccinated...

I'm SURE there were a FEW women who heard her, who DIDN'T vaccinate themselves against the virus, and who are now DEAD, DEAD, and even DEADER than that.

Tell me ONE crazy, STUPID, LEFT WING thing that Franken has done since being elected.. Just ONE will do.

excon

That could be true Ex. I don't know. to be honest...you've got me there.

The left's idea of the right moving further right is when we don't move closer to them.

The left's idea of the right moving further right is when we don't move closer to them.

Well we can't have a party if you don't show up.

Well we could have a whole separate thred about the 28,000 + adverse affects reported about the HPV vaccines since their introduction in 2006 (with the National Vaccine Information Center estimating that only 1-10% of the vaccine injured ever filing a complaint. ). But 1st I'd like to see the names of all these women ,and children who have died from cervical cancer ,or other any other complication from listening to Bachmann's warning about the vaccines.

Answer ;there isn't one . More than 6 million women contract some form of HPV annually, yet cervical cancer claims less than 3,900 women... most of which are due to not getting regular Pap smears. And the vaccine only addresses 4 of the 150 known HPV virus. There is a legitimate debate about the risk-rewards about these vaccines.



The fact is that it's not just Bachmann ,or other conservatives that have concerns about the vaccines. There are many health care professionals that have real reservations as to both it's effectiveness ,and it's safety .

Michelle said she knows someone who's daughter went retarded after a shot... Oh never mind, its not worth noting all the crazy stuff she has said.

Tal ,the vaccine claimed 26 victims just last year and there are thousands of cases of adverse reactions .The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) has awarded almost $6 million to 49 victims in claims made against the HPV vaccines... and that represents only 49 of the over 200 claims.

Now what Bachmann actually said was that a woman that came crying to her after the debate claiming her daughter had become retarded after having the vaccine. Now that may or may not be true. What is undeniable is that there is documented evidence that it causes neurological problems, brain injury and associated cognitive problems.

We can always stop the whole program and see how many females die of cervical cancer.

We can always stop the whole program and see how many females die of cervical cancer.

Unbelievable... the guys who complain the most of the crony relationship between Big Pharma and the FDA are defending it now because of something Michelle Bachmann said . Ummmm I hate to tell you .This isn't the 1st time that the FDA catered to the desires of a drug company to rush a drug into the market only to find out later that the cure is worse than the problem they are trying to cure .

That's a problem with lefties, inconsistency... like the close-minded morons protesting the sale of the LA Times to the Kochs in the name of open-mindedness,

Hello again, wingers:

Let's put this to bed, shall we? Are you SORRY the brainy Michelle Bachmann is leaving the scene, because she's an EMBARRASSMENT to your cause, or do you wish she had won the presidency??

excon

False choice . I think there is a role for her in government .I did not think she was ready ,nor do I think many members of the House of Reps are ready to be POTUS .

Hello again, tom:

I think there is a role for her in government .Spell it out for me, please... Is she an IDIOT or not?

I understand you LOVE her politics, but how do get over the dozens of things she gets absolutely WRONG?? For example, is it cool with you that she confuses the Duke with John Wayne Gacy??

Excon

I don't know if that makes her an idiot . Does seeing dead vets in the audience make the Emperor an idiot ? Does thinking that he visited 58 states make him an idiot ?

Hello again, tom:

To be clear, you DON'T think Michell Bachmann is an idiot, and you DO think there's a place for her in government.

That's scary, tom... Really scary..

excon

Alinsky rule# 5 . "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." Your side is turning that into an art form. I find the more the left demonizes a conservative it means the more they fear that conservative . When she finishes her term she will have served 8 years... that's 4 elections won . You must think the people in her district are idiots too. Not coincidently ;I think every Rep should be term limited to 8 years. More of the beltway lifers should adopt that... including the lifer Repubics who she equally makes uncomfortable .

Hello again, tom:


"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."To believe that Michelle Bachmann is a potent weapon for your side, is scarier still.

Excon

Really . You just ignore her record in Congress then .She was /is right when many of her Republic colleagues are wrong. She opposed Libya intervention even though party leaders like McCain were pushing for it . She opposes the continued subsidization of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. She was right in going against both Bush and Obama over the TARP. When the emperor had the stock purchased with TARP changed from preferred to common stock, Bachmann was the one who properly noted illegality of the move.
The left targeted TP candidates like Mia Love, Allen West, Michelle Bachmann, Todd Akin and Richard Murdock . She is the one that survived in a campaign where the left had the IRS in their hip pocket .

I honestly hope she takes on Franken next year. Bet that coward will run away from any scheduling of a debate. He wouldn't stand a chance. When he was a comic who made jokes about politics before his election . She earned a Masters of Law degree ;served as an attorney at the IRS ,cofounded a business ;raised a large family , became a 6 year member of the Minn. Senate becoming Assistant Minority Leader of that Senate.

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." Your side is turning that into an art form. Isn't that what happens on the Current Events board EVERY SINGLE DAY?
I don't think I've read a more hypocritical statement...

At the risk of stating the obvious, this thread is not about Michelle Bachmann.

This part is, and it's the lefts turn to throw rocks at the right. Now grab a cup of joe and duck.

This part is, and its the lefts turn to throw rocks at the right. Now grab a cup of joe and duck.

If you want this to be about Bachmann start another thread for your rock throwing.

Hello thread cop, Steve:

You started it, but you don't OWN it. You just don't like the Bachmann bashing... But, I got one more bash, and then I'm done...

She's an IDIOT. I don't care about her education. She's an IDIOT. I don't like her because she's an IDIOT. Her idiocy is DANGEROUS to the nation. Anybody who doesn't recognize she's an IDIOT is suspect, in my mind.

I don't like Ted Cruz either. But, he's NO idiot. He's smooth, educated, and as far as I know, he's NEVER said stuff that isn't true. I don't agree with his politics, but he doesn't misstate facts.

excon

No I don't own it but there is a topic, and it isn't Bachmann. So, does it bother you that the Kochs - Libertarians by the way - might buy up some newspapers?

Hello again, thread cop:


So, does it bother you that the Kochs - Libertarians by the way - might buy up some newspapers?Nahhh. That's why I want to talk about Bachmann..

Excon

PS (edited) It bothered you when Al Gore sold his network to Al Jazeera, didn't it? Why is one cool, but not the other?

My last comment about Bachmann on this OP :



She's an IDIOT. I don't care about her education. She's an IDIOT. I don't like her because she's an IDIOT. Her idiocy is DANGEROUS to the nation. Anybody who doesn't recognize she's an IDIOT is suspect, in my mind.
Maybe if you travel the 58 states you'll find the appropriate breathalizer for your condition. Yes we all know in the 20 centuries since our founding ,no educated politician had ever made a gaffe statement before Bachmann.

Hello again, thread cop:

Nahhh. That's why I wanna talk about Bachmann..

excon

PS (edited) It bothered you when Al Gore sold his network to Al Jazeera, didn't it? Why is one cool, but not the other?

Why do you keep making up stuff? I never said it bothered me that The Goracle sold to Al-Jazeera, but it should bother his supporters who can't seem to figure out he's not so altruistic - his post-VP career has always been about the money.

Why do you keep making up stuff? I never said it bothered me that The Goracle sold to Al-Jazeera

Yea you did, right here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/its-come-713241-23.html#post3360010


The Goracle and his partners have apparently agreed to sell his largely unwatched Current TV to Al Jazeera. No, really.

The guru of global warming alarmism has just pocketed an estimated $100 million from selling to an outfit financed by a middle eastern government built on oil wealth. And of course they wanted to complete the deal by Dec 31st to avoid higher taxes.

You can't make this stuff up...

What do your comments "No, really." and "You can't make this stuff up... " refer to?

If you weren't so challenged by sarcasm, irony and other forms of subtle humor you might be able to figure it out, but as it is you're apparently so DESPERATE to discredit me you don't mind making a fool of yourself. It's OK with me if you want to do that, we can even start a thread if you like.

You didn't even explain what you meant by those words, you simply attacked me.

Start a thread on it.