Polluting the air, land, and water has no effect on the environment, or the people animals and insects in it? That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

CO2 as a pollutant is the dumbest thing I have ever heard

Is Carbon Dioxide a Pollutant? | Weather Underground (http://www.wunderground.com/resources/climate/cei.asp)

Throwing off the natural balance of CO2 kills life on Earth.

Who is the arbiteur of what is the natural balance? Just because we have a level at this moment doesn't make it the natural balance, just a balance at this point in time because this is what we observe

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where was all this heat during the ice ages. We need to get back to planting trees not cutting them down and stop thinking about them as a sustainable resource

Well I already explained my pet hypothesis that the natural state of the planet is warm with a higher concentration of carbon in the atmosphere. Before the ice ages there were tropical forests at the North Poll. Fossil records prove that. This was during the Paleocene Eocene Thermal Maximum . This was probably assisted by a heat from below event... either that or the dinosaurs were driving SUVs and blowing garbage into the air via smoke stacks .

Well I already explained my pet hypothesis that the natural state of the planet is warm with a higher concentration of carbon in the atmosphere. Before the ice ages there were tropical forests at the North Poll. Fossil records prove that. This was during the Paleocene Eocene Thermal Maximum . This was probably assisted by a heat from below event ......either that or the dinosaurs were driving SUVs and blowing garbage into the air via smoke stacks .


Yes, but just because the natural state of the environment back then was high levels of CO2 doesn't provide justification for artificially creating high levels of CO2 now.

So what's the justification for all the doom and gloom hysteria of the impending man-made climate apocalypse even though the "settled science" keeps coming up short?

So what's the justification for all the doom and gloom hysteria of the impending man-made climate apocalypse even though the "settled science" keeps coming up short?


No gloom and doom on my part. My only concern was that the southern oceans are becoming a carbon sink for CO2. However, that wasn't the point I was making to Tom. I was suggesting that his theory is an example of affirming the consequence.

Allow me to clarify, what's the justification for all the doom and gloom hysteria by others? Science or ideology? What?

Allow me to clarify, what's the justification for all the doom and gloom hysteria by others? Science or ideology? What?

You would have to ask them I guess. However, I don't see a lot of justification at this stage.

More likely science mixed with politics rather than ideology.

They would never admit it, but I suspect it's more politics and ideology than science.

I was suggesting that his theory is an example of affirming the consequence.
What consequences ? Warm weather and rich vegetation growth ? Sign me up . It beats food shortages and plagues that happened in the cold periods.
News in Brief: Cold spells were dark times in Eastern Europe | Science & Society | Science News (http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/347598/description/News_in_Brief_Cold_spells_were_dark_times_in_Easte rn_Europe)

Yes Tom the future with higher CO2 may be better in some climes but melting permafrost is an issue which we don't have the dementions of yet

You would think the lefties would embrace global warming... they claim it will raise sea levels... and who owns much of the oceanfront property... the rich people they blame for everything... so if they really want to screw the rich... embrace global warming.

You would think the lefties would embrace global warming...they claim it will raise sea levels...and who owns much of the oceanfront property...the rich people they blame for everything....so if they really want to screw the rich...embrace global warming.

A bridge too far, you know who ultimately get screwed by rising waters, don't you

Lets not forget the monied interest that influences the science and the politics. And the very human need to use the only science we have. Bad as some ay fossil fuel are for now its all we got until the technology brings something better. Pretty much the same way the computer brought about so much change, and the problems that come with it, and continues to drive change, so will renewable and alternative energy sources.

Watch the Chinese and other nations as they develop their own industries and pass out those silly masks to its citizens and feel for them because for sure we here have been down that road in our own industrial centers, without the masks of course, but we cannot forget the lessons learned first hand, that as surely as burning fossil fuels enhances life, there is always the clean up when they system gets old and needs maintenance, or suffers failures, and glitches. And it always needs maintanace,and repair. Be it the pipelines, or the roads, and rails.

We have fallen short on that side of the equation so far, and that's the price we will pay in the future, as we also have to deal with the waste bi products side as we enjoy the benefits. We cannot just look at the benefit and not see or deal with the consequences, both short, and long term, and I think we can agree we have big problems short term, and few even acknowledge the long term at all, let alone have a plan to deal with it.

Hello again,

They would never admit it, but I suspect it's more politics and ideology than science.It must be noted that I'm the one who brought up global warming in its recent incarnation.. I wasn't gloomy and doomy about it. In fact, my premise was quite bright.. But, nobody took me up on it. I'm NOT wedded to the destruction of the oil and gas industry as the solution.. In fact, over the years, I've CONSTANTLY spoken about this problem as being an OPPORTUNITY rather than the END! And, I did so here again.

That's what Americans do. We take problems and turn them into solutions and make lots of money in the process.

But, when I speak of this stuff to our resident "free market" right wingers, they put the KIBOSH on it right away, with NO questions asked. Essentially, they're position is that technology has NOT progressed far enough to make it a reality.. So, we should just wait...

But, we didn't become who we are by waiting.

So, I already told you my position doesn't emanate from science. It emanates from my EXPERIENCE and my entrepreneurial bent. The Tesla is the kind of stuff I'm talking about.. It's the BEST car ever produced, hands down. We need MORE of that thinking - not less. If government needs to stimulate it, so be it.. That's exactly what the government SHOULD do.

Excon

Speaking of waste bi-products, Obama has allocated $52 million to Detroit to remove "urban blight." (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130820/METRO01/308200071/1361/Detroit-to-receive-$52.2M-in-fed-funds-to-demolish-abandoned-buildings)

Libs have finally found a way to add jobs, by tearing down the bi-products of their failed policies.

Keynesian policies used to be all about building infrastructure. I think they should leave it there and charge admission to view the archeology of liberalism's failure .

liberalism's failureExcept for the schools, where all of the great conservatives graduated from. :D
You really need to get over your "liberalism-is-the-cause-of-all-evil" mindset. It's a very binary view of the world.

In this case it's true . I think my idea is a good one... Great nations always leave behind the ruins of their collapse . We could call it the FDR park .

That's better than what the righties have been doing.

Massive Toxic Black Cloud, Brought To You by the Koch Bros, Blows Over Detroit | Common Dreams (http://www.commondreams.org/further/2013/08/02)

That was that poor small business guy you were crying about being shut down.

the ruins of their collapseLike trickle-down economics and the whole of the USA?

Trickle down does work... what was a figment of the imagination was trickle UP economics... poor people don't create wealth... they are the black hole where it disappears never to be seen again.

Except for the schools, where all of the great conservatives graduated from. :D
You really need to get over your "liberalism-is-the-cause-of-all-evil" mindset. It's a very binary view of the world.

OK Genius, then tell us what the real downfall of Detroit was.

In this case it's true . I think my idea is a good one ... Great nations always leave behind the ruins of their collapse . We could call it the FDR park .

Fabulous idea.

With a runner up name of Barrak Obama Park... that can be his legacy.

Fabulous idea.Get a room.

OK Genius, then tell us what the real downfall of Detroit was.60 seconds of Googling:

Decline of Detroit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Detroit)

Detroit Bankrupt: To See Detroit's Decline, Look at 40 Years Of Federal Policy (http://www.policymic.com/articles/45563/detroit-bankrupt-to-see-detroit-s-decline-look-at-40-years-of-federal-policy)


BBC NEWS | Business | The decline of Detroit (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6346299.stm)

40 Years Of Federal Policy
We got a winner !

OK Genius, then tell us what the real downfall of Detroit was.

Loss of middle class wage jobs chiefly in manufacturing, and the transition to minimum wage jobs that have to be subsidized by the safety net. The trickle down economics was turned off in 2007, and hasn't been turned back on since.

This has been the trend for the last 30 years and finally has come to roost in the collapse of middle income wage earners everywhere, leading to a shrinking economic base that can sustain even the basic needs of the global populations.

In short the circulation of capital has been seriously constrained on a global level. I will assign no blame at this time nor bore you with partisan BS, but Detroit is but a symbol of what's happening all over the place.

we got a winner !
37. Richard Milhous Nixon Republican 1969-1974
38. Gerald R. Ford Republican 1974-1977
39. James Earl Carter, Jr. Democrat 1977-1981
40. Ronald Wilson Reagan Republican 1981-1989
41. George H. W. Bush Republican 1989-1993
42. William Jefferson Clinton Democrat 1993-2001
43. George W. Bush Republican 2001-2009
44. Barack Obama Democrat

Loss of middle class wage jobs chiefly in manufacturing, and the transition to minimum wage jobs that have to be subsidized by the safety net. The trickle down economics was turned off in 2007, and hasn't been turned back on since.

This has been the trend for the last 30 years and finally has come to roost in the collapse of middle income wage earners everywhere, leading to a shrinking economic base that can sustain even the basic needs of the global populations.

In short the circulation of capital has been seriously constrained on a global level. I will assign no blame at this time nor bore you with partisan BS, but Detroit is but a symbol of what's happening all over the place.

You mean corrupt Democrats, political cronyism, out of control spending, regulatory hell and unions trying to bring that to everyone?


Detroit has suffered the usual problems associated with large, Democrat-dominated cities (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/353862/detroit-goes-down-kevin-d-williamson). Its spending has long been out of control, and former mayor Kwame Kilpatrick and one of his cronies are prison-bound on 31 counts of extortion, bribery, and racketeering.

But these things, as bad as they are, are not the sole reason that Detroit is a failed city. The city has for years proved unable or unwilling to provide the basic services people expect from municipal authorities: While political cronies got fat, the people of Detroit were left with some of the worst schools in the country, some of the most dangerous streets in the country, and a mass-transit system that is a non-functioning mess. Not that you’d want to start a business there, but if you did, its licensing and regulatory agencies run the gamut from incompetent to corrupt.

So the people of Detroit went on strike. They did not picket city hall or demand a sit-down with the mayor. They packed up and left, taking their businesses, their innovation, and their tax dollars with them. The powers that be in Detroit can rob people blind, but they cannot make them stay.

As a result of this, Detroit has lost nearly two-thirds of its population. The decline of the automotive industry alone is not responsible for that: Ford by itself still employs enough people that it could employ one member of every family in Detroit. GM and Ford together could employ the entire working-age (18–65) population of Detroit, along with every man, woman, and child in Flint, Mich. and every man, woman, and child in Pontiac, Mich. and would still need to fill a few vacancies. That’s to say nothing of Chrysler, the American operations of firms such as Toyota and BMW, or Mercedes-Benz’s SUV business — or the countless manufacturers of automotive parts, components, materials, etc. What do most of those firms have in common? They do not want to be in or near Detroit.

The hunt for low wages is not the explanation for that fact. Motor Trend named the Mercedes-Benz GL Class the best SUV in the world this year — prices for that truck cross the $100,000 mark — and it is made in Vance, Ala. Does anybody really think that Mercedes, a company used to paying its German workers very attractive wages, is in Alabama so that it can pay Third World wages to toothless hillbillies to build its flagship SUV? A quick look at the numbers confirms that this is not the case.

Here’s a wild guess: Mercedes is in Alabama because nobody wants to live in Detroit except Kwame Kilpatrick, whose most likely next option is a six-by-eight cell, and the gentlemen of the United Automobile Workers union and their associates. The UAW, having helped to destroy the automotive industry in and around Detroit, is currently in the middle of its third attempt to unionize Mercedes-Benz workers in Alabama and elsewhere in the South, having committed tens of millions of dollars — where will that come from? — to the project. Joining the UAW is like joining the European Union — no matter how many times you vote against it, there’s always another vote, until it goes the other way, and then there are no more votes.

The current focus of the UAW’s most intense attention is Chattanooga, Tenn. where Volkswagen operates a factory.

The question that people in Chattanooga should be asking themselves is: What part of Detroit’s business model do we really want to replicate? That Detroit now has and has had a backward, rapacious, corrupt city government is not an inconsequential issue, but the seldom-acknowledged reality is that a community with a thriving economy can endure a fair amount of political parasitism. California, troubled as it is, limps along, but it would collapse without the technology and entertainment industries. You can find the same kind (though not the same degree) of waste and self-dealing in Houston as you do in Detroit, but Houston muddles through. New York City may have improved a great deal under Rudolph Giuliani, but it is not Zurich — it’s still New York.

Detroit is the victim of a vicious circle: Failing municipal institutions mean that without the allure of a high-paying job, Detroit is an undesirable place to live, while the unions have helped to drive away a great many of those high-paying jobs. A city that already was corrupt and incompetent saw its tax base evaporate, meaning that it quickly became a city that is corrupt, incompetent, and broke. Of its $11 billion in unsecured debt, the great majority — $9 billion — is owed to pensions and health-benefit plans for the same public-sector incompetents who helped bring the city to its knees in the first place. Detroit’s ruling class is a parasite that has outgrown its host.

If Chattanooga wants a piece of that action, it is welcome to it.

Just what we need, more Detroits.

37. Richard Milhous Nixon Republican 1969-1974
38. Gerald R. Ford Republican 1974-1977
39. James Earl Carter, Jr. Democrat 1977-1981
40. Ronald Wilson Reagan Republican 1981-1989
41. George H. W. Bush Republican 1989-1993
42. William Jefferson Clinton Democrat 1993-2001
43. George W. Bush Republican 2001-2009
44. Barack Obama Democrat

None of them ran Detroit into the ground... that was local level fraud and waste that was the root of it... not Federal level.

37. Richard Milhous Nixon Republican 1969-1974
38. Gerald R. Ford Republican 1974-1977
39. James Earl Carter, Jr. Democrat 1977-1981
40. Ronald Wilson Reagan Republican 1981-1989
41. George H. W. Bush Republican 1989-1993
42. William Jefferson Clinton Democrat 1993-2001
43. George W. Bush Republican 2001-2009
44. Barack Obama Democrat

How many years of that were a Democrat Controlled Congress?

FYI, it's been 52 years since Republicans controlled Detroit government.

37. Richard Milhous Nixon Republican 1969-1974
38. Gerald R. Ford Republican 1974-1977
39. James Earl Carter, Jr. Democrat 1977-1981
40. Ronald Wilson Reagan Republican 1981-1989
41. George H. W. Bush Republican 1989-1993
42. William Jefferson Clinton Democrat 1993-2001
43. George W. Bush Republican 2001-2009
44. Barack Obama Democrat

Except for brief periods ,the Dems dominated Congress pretty much non-stop since Roosevelt . Specifically the Dems progressive polices had an almost 40 year run between 1960-2000 . But headline did not say " 40 Years of Democrat Policy " .It said 40 years of FEDERAL Policy... yes there are some big government Repubics who are complicit... enough in fact that there was never enough power or time for conservative to roll back a half century of bad policy.

Loss of middle class wage jobs chiefly in manufacturing, and the transition to minimum wage jobs that have to be subsidized by the safety net. The trickle down economics was turned off in 2007, and hasn't been turned back on since.

This has been the trend for the last 30 years and finally has come to roost in the collapse of middle income wage earners everywhere, leading to a shrinking economic base that can sustain even the basic needs of the global populations.

In short the circulation of capital has been seriously constrained on a global level. I will assign no blame at this time nor bore you with partisan BS, but Detroit is but a symbol of what's happening all over the place.

Detroit is the model city of the emperor's vision of fundamentally transforming America

None of them ran Detroit into the groundOh I know, that idea was tom's when he pointed out the federal policy was the cause.

FYI, it's been 52 years since Republicans controlled Detroit government.I know! But tell that to tom! --> https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/right-wing-moving-further-right-2-0-a-742592-29.html#post3533931

My solution would be for Windsor to annex Detroit.

No thank you. LOL.

Government may well be part of the problem, but why ignore banks and businesses? Oh that's right we can't even debate their contributions of economic disaster.

So what's the common theme of global economic failure. It ain't the mayor of Detroit for sure. Mitt already told you HE had money all over the world, and was training HIS sons to have money all over the world.

Yeah governments SUCK, but corporations SUCK more, they make it possible to keep sucking. The takers you holler about ain't all liberals, or poor.

Yup . UAW did their share of taking too.

Yes.. decades of Union handouts that were put on the backs of the taxpayers... whose backs finally broke.

What was Rev Wrights famous line... "chickens coming home to roost"?

yes Tom the future with higher CO2 may be better in some climes but melting permafrost is an issue which we don't have the dementions of yet

Maybe so maybe not . There are Viking graves buried beneath the permafrost of the once warm island called 'Greenland ' .We aren't talking millions of years ago . We are talking more like a thousand.


Roots of plants and deep Viking graves found in South Greenland in soil that is now tjaele (permafrost or permanently frozen ground) indicate that the annual mean temperature must have been 2-4°C warmer than now. It is possible to estimate the summer temperature on the basis of the story in Landnámabók (985-1000) about Thorkel Farserk, who swam out to Hvalsey (in Hvalseyfiord) in order to fetch a sheep to make a feast for his cousin, Erik the Red. By way of comparison, Dr. Pugh from The Medical Research Laboratories in England has established on the basis of studies of Channel swimmers and the like, that 10°C would be the lowest temperature that a man who had not been in special training would be able to endure, even if he was fat. The average August temperature of the water in the fiords along this coast now rarely exceeds 6°C. The water in Thorkel's time must therefore have been at least 4° warmer and probably more than that. The summer temperatures (for the air) in the fiords in South Greenland would then have been 13-14°C (as compared with the present 8-10°C), and in Godthaab's fiord about 12°C, with a correspondingly shorter growth season. Further north around Melville Bay the summer temperatures would have been 9-10°C, as compared with the present 3-5°C.
Where is Vinland? (http://www.canadianmysteries.ca/sites/vinland/othermysteries/climate/4157en.html)

As far as I know ,the Vikings weren't driving SUVs and blowing garbage into the air.

Owebamas Brother linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.


Obama's brother linked to Muslim Brotherhood (http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/obamas-brother-linked-to-muslim-brotherhood/)

maybe so maybe not . There are Viking graves buried beneath the permafrost of the once warm island called 'Greenland ' .We aren't talking millions of years ago . We are talking more like a thousand.


Where is Vinland? (http://www.canadianmysteries.ca/sites/vinland/othermysteries/climate/4157en.html)

as far as I know ,the Vikings weren't driving SUVs and blowing garbage into the air.

Yes Tom we know there have been warmer periods such as Roman times and colder periods such as the little ice age and we don't know why or what is the norm. All this carry on about CO2 is a beat up to establish nuclear energy which has got out of hand.
I wouldn't be baseing my theories on the Norse Sagas they tended to get a little exaggerated

Yes Tom we know there have been warmer periods such as Roman times and colder periods such as the little ice age and we don't know why or what is the norm. All this carry on about CO2 is a beat up to establish nuclear energy which has got out of hand.
I wouldn't be baseing my theories on the Norse Sagas they tended to get a little exaggerated

There is actual proof they made ti the north America centuries before the Europeans... and there is ample Archeological proof to back it up... as well as that they were growing grapes in Greenland.

There is actual proof they made ti the north America centuries before the Europeans....and there is ample Archeological proof to back it up.....as well as that they were growing grapes in Greenland.

I didn't say they didn't achieve anything they were certainly good sailors and I didn't say there wasn't a warm period that made it easier for them, but when they told of their deeds over centuries some things got a little exaggerated such as the Norse Sagas suggest they won the battle of Clontaff in 1014. They were primarily raiders and so didn't set up permanent settlements in the americas or perhaps they found the environment as harsh as the europeans who settled Jamestown

They were primarily raiders and so didn't set up permanent settlements in the americas or perhaps they found the environment as harsh as the europeans who settled Jamestown
My roots have been traced to Viking/Norman's who settled in southern Italy .They did settle where it was hospitable . Best guess is that the Greenland-Iceland-Nova Scotia Vikings were driven out by eventual colder climate and perhaps indigenous populations .Since grapes are grown in Labrador today it is very believable that in warmer climes Labrador and Newfoundland would have productive vineyards.

My roots have been traced to Viking/Norman's who settled in southern Italy .They did settle where it was hospitable . Best guess is that the Greenland-Iceland-Nova Scotia Vikings were driven out by eventual colder climate and perhaps indigenous populations .Since grapes are grown in Labrador today it is very believable that in warmer climes Labrador and Newfoundland would have productive vineyards.

Their navigation was essentially to follow the coast lines so with encrouching ice their voyages would have become harder with easier pickings closer to home, hearth and family is a strong pull in a harsh winter

DC mayor moves to the right... sort of (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/mayor-gray-vetoes-living-wage-bill-aimed-at-wal-mart-setting-up-decisive-council-vote/2013/09/12/664d7310-077d-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html).


Mayor Gray vetoes ‘living wage’ bill aimed at Wal-Mart, setting up decisive council vote

District Mayor Vincent C. Gray vetoed legislation Thursday that would force the city’s largest retailers to pay a super-minimum wage to their workers, ending two months of uncertainty over the controversial bill’s fate and setting up a decisive override vote at the D.C. Council as early as Tuesday.

The debate over the bill, the Large Retailer Accountability Act, has polarized local leaders while garnering national attention and putting focus on the low wages many retail chains pay their workers.

And why pray tell would he do such a thing? It's not a true living wage bill because you know, it only basically applies to Walmart. The other reason? It's a job killer.


“If I were to sign this bill into law, it would do nothing but hinder our ability to create jobs, drive away retailers, and set us back on the path to prosperity for all,” he said.

You don't say.

Just an observation, but we have 4 of those Supercenters and every time they have built one here the area it's in has exploded in growth. I'm just sayin'...

And while the right allegedly keeps moving further right, the left just keeps getting meaner, nastier and more intolerant. And clueless I might add. The Communications Director of the Sacramento, CA Democratic Party, responded to an inoffensive tweet by a Ted Cruz staffer... “May your children all die from debilitating, painful and incurable diseases”

And while the right allegedly keeps moving further right, the left just keeps getting meaner, nastier and more intolerant. And clueless I might add. The Communications Director of the Sacramento, CA Democratic Party, responded to an inoffensive tweet by a Ted Cruz staffer...“May your children all die from debilitating, painful and incurable diseases”

I think Allen Brauer is suffering from incurable ED.

Arseholes cover the political spectrum.

I think Allen Brauer is suffering from incurable ED.And there's your right-wing example.

And there's your right-wing example.

If Smoothy were representing the Republican party that might matter, but since he isn't let's focus on the other a$$hole, though it apparently doesn't bother you for him to publicly call for a miserable death of Amanda's children.

And there's your right-wing example.

I speak for myself... but only a Liberal would find nothing in that guys twitter posts... unless it was someone responding to one of their own.

Hello again,

Yawwwwnnn... The world is filled with UGLY people. Who gives a sh!t? Telling me about them isn't interesting and doesn't further the political conversation.

excon

Unless it's a Conservative that does it... THEN it deserves a Congressional investigation and Front page news coverage for at least two weeks.

Unless its a Conservative that does it....
Hello again, smoothy:

Nahhhh.

I like to talk about events and not people... Like the event this morning, where the Republican party gave up ANY pretense it ever had that it cares about poor people.

The Republican lead House voted to CUT $40 Billion from the food stamp program. It USED to be that BOTH Republicans and Democrats cared about hungry people.. But, that was BEFORE this rightward lurch.

Now, I'm not interested in the arguments against food stamps. I've heard the takers v makers argument.. What I want to know is why is it Republican policy TODAY when it NEVER was before?

excon

http://i.brainyquote.com/photos/e/eleanorroosevelt385439.jpg

http://i.brainyquote.com/photos/e/eleanorroosevelt385439.jpg

Oh the irony.

Hello again,

Yawwwwnnn... The world is filled with UGLY people. Who gives a sh!t? Telling me about them isn't interesting and doesn't further the political conversation.

excon

If I were starting threads like this one (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/war-women-4-6-a-752264.html) I think I'd refrain from complaining when your hypocrite a$$holes get outed.

Hello again, smoothy:

Nahhhh.

I like to talk about events and not people... Like the event this morning, where the Republican party gave up ANY pretense it ever had that it cares about poor people.

The Republican lead House voted to CUT $40 Billion from the food stamp program. It USED to be that BOTH Republicans and Democrats cared about hungry people.. But, that was BEFORE this rightward lurch.

Now, I'm not interested in the arguments against food stamps. I've heard the takers v makers argument.. What I wanna know is why is it Republican policy TODAY when it NEVER was before?

excon
We like poor people... the ones that we hate are the leeches and welfare bums.

Obam'sa been claiming how much the economy has improved under him... that means we can reduce those (food stamps etc) to at or below the levels when Bush left office , right?

FYI, the left wing is moving further left.

Elizabeth Warren is Hillary Clinton's Nightmare | New Republic (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115509/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clintons-nightmare)

Hello again, Steve:

FYI, the left wing is moving further left. Here's the difference between you and me.. I'm a LEFTY.. I'm FAR left, and I KNOW it. You, however, are a far right loon, and you think you're in the center...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

Hello again, Steve:
Here's the difference between you and me.. I'm a LEFTY.. I'm FAR left, and I KNOW it. You, however, are a far right loon, and you think you're in the center...

Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

excon

And as is typical with FAR lefties you just make sh*t up, in spite of the evidence against your argument.

Hello again,

BIRMINGHAM, Alabama–In a case troubling to free speech advocates, an Alabama journalist who blogged about allegations of a sordid affair between a powerful Republican scion and a lobbyist has been arrested and now sits in jail on contempt charges.

A judge has taken the extraordinary steps (http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/11/11/gulag-justice-alabama-blogger-jailed-in-secretive-scandal/) of not only sealing the file in the case, but ordering that the blogger’s posts be removed from the Internet.I thought right wingers LOVED the Constitution... No, huh?

excon

Hello again,
I thought right wingers LOVED the Constitution... No, huh?

excon

You won't find me in support of jailing bloggers, but I don't recall your outrage over this.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/intimidation-tactics-667019-6.html#post3145047

Hello again, Steve:

If I posted about every outrage I see, that's all I'd be doing. But, we agree. Let's stop at that.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

If I posted about every outrage I see, that's all I'd be doing. But, we agree. Let's stop at that.

excon

and this differs from what you are doing, how?

Hello again, Steve:

If I posted about every outrage I see, that's all I'd be doing. But, we agree. Let's stop at that.

excon

Deal.

compromise?

Hello again,

Atheist Sent To Jail (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/27/atheist-sent-to-jail-for-rejecting-god-in-blatant-violation-of-the-constitution/)For Rejecting God, In Blatant Violation Of The Constitution..

The Constitution doesn't apply, apparently, when it comes to atheists. Barry Hazle, an avowed atheist from California, has had his parole revoked, and you'll balk at why. According to Courthouse News Service, Hazle rightfully sued his parole officer, several corrections officials with the state of California, and Westcare Corp. for revoking his parole after his “congenial” refusal to acknowledge a higher power in a required 12- Step Program.
If the damages awarded are something insanely small, we'll know where this nation stands with regards to the First Amendment: it only applies to some. Then again, we already knew that, didn't we?

Excon

Hello again,

Atheist Sent To Jail (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/27/atheist-sent-to-jail-for-rejecting-god-in-blatant-violation-of-the-constitution/)For Rejecting God, In Blatant Violation Of The Constitution..
If the damages awarded are something insanely small, we’ll know where this nation stands with regards to the First Amendment: it only applies to some. Then again, we already knew that, didn’t we?

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I thought we had a deal. Again, you won't find me in support of forcing anyone to profess a belief in God, or the devil, or fairies or whatever. And it certainly isn't the right wing that keeps trying to silence bloggers (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/intimidation-tactics-667019-5.html#post3144259) and talk show hosts, re-institute the "fairness" doctrine, stop certain people from owning a newspaper (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/panic-left-aka-kds-745894.html) and use the heavy hand of government to harass people for getting involved (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/irs-scandal-749229.html).

But glad to see you're coming around.

Pardon me while I copy and paste from another conservative blog, CNN.


Texas voter ID law didn't suppress vote (http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/12/opinion/preston-texas-id-laws/)

According to the Texas secretary of state's office, 10 amendments were up for vote in 2011, the last constitutional amendment election before the voter ID law passed. Some issues received more votes than others. The one most voted on received 690,052 votes, for and against. Overall, an average of about 672,874 Texans voted on these 10 constitutional amendments.

If voter ID suppressed votes, we should see a drop in turnout, right? Well, according to the Texas secretary of state's office, nine amendments went up for vote in 2013. The amendment that attracted the most votes, Proposition One, attracted 1,144,844. The average number of votes cast in 2013 was 1,099,670.

So, in terms of raw votes, turnout in 2013 increased by about 63% over turnout in 2011 in comparable elections. But that's statewide. How about in areas the anti-voter ID side predicted should see "suppression"?

Turnout for the 2011 election was 5.37% of registered voters; for 2013 it was about 8%.

Democrats allege that voter ID will suppress the vote in predominantly Hispanic regions. Hidalgo County sits on the Texas-Mexico border and is 90% Hispanic. In 2011, an average of just over 4,000 voted in the constitutional amendment election. In 2013, an average of over 16,000 voted.

If voter ID was intended to suppress votes, it is failing as spectacularly as HealthCare.gov.

Look at Cameron County, which is about 85% Hispanic. Turnout increased from an average of 4,700 votes in 2011 to 5,100 in 2013.

So in its first real-world test, Texas' voter ID law -- which 66% of Texans support, according to a 2012 University of Texas poll -- had no impact on suppressing the vote. It even can be argued that voter ID helped increase turnout. Turnout was up, and in fact, the 2013 constitutional amendment election saw the highest constitutional amendment election turnout in Texas in about eight years.

Opponents of voter ID must come up with a new line to attack it. The old dog that it suppresses the vote just won't hunt.

Oops, poor republican is an alcoholic and cocaine user.

WASHINGTON — Rep. Trey Radel, R-Fla., pleaded guilty Wednesday to possession of cocaine and was sentenced to one year of supervised probation.

"I've hit a bottom where I realize I need help," Radel said, as he admitted in District of Columbia Superior Court that he purchased 3.5 grams of cocaine.

The freshman congressman, who represents a solidly Republican district in southwest Florida, said he'll enter a rehab program.

Radel, 37, also vowed that he will "come out of this stronger" and told the judge that he wants to "continue serving this country."

Radel was caught buying drugs in what a senior Drug Enforcement Administration official described as a sting operation that was part of an investigation by several federal agencies into a drug ring in the nation's capital. A drug dealer who told law enforcement officials that one of his customers was a member of Congress helped set up a buy on Oct. 29 and Radel bought the cocaine, the official said.

The DEA official was not authorized to speak publicly about the case.

Radel was also fined $250 on the misdemeanor charge, and the money will be paid to a victims' compensation fund.

The arrest of Radel, who was elected last year with Tea Party support in the Fort Myers-Naples area district, rocked Congress and southwest Florida. The congressman's arrest comes as Toronto Mayor Rob Ford has been stripped of his powers by the City Council for smoking crack, drinking and boorish behavior.

Radel, a former TV reporter before entering politics, issued a statement Tuesday expressing remorse. He explained that he struggles with alcoholism and that his arrest gives him the opportunity to seek treatment and counseling.

"This led to an extremely irresponsible choice," Radel said in his statement. "Believe me, I am disappointed in myself, and I stand ready to face the consequences of my actions."

Radel is believed to be the first sitting member of Congress charged with a drug crime since then-Rep. Frederick Richmond, D-N.Y., who was convicted in 1982 on charges of drug possession and tax evasion.

Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, said Tuesday the incident is "between Rep. Radel, his family and his constituents."

On Radel's Facebook page Tuesday night, there were posts that were both supportive and angry. While some people gave him credit for taking responsibility for his actions, others blasted him for his behavior.

As a member of Congress, Radel has co-sponsored legislation to change the nation's mandatory minimum drug sentencing laws and voted for a bill that called for states to drug test people who receive food stamps.

That has absolutely zero to do with this thread. Go hang out with your alcoholic, crack smoking hot headed mayor of Toronto.

Pardon me while I copy and paste from another conservative blog, CNN.

Daily Kos: Don't freak out! Texas Voter ID and Voter Protection (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/27/1251071/-Don-t-freak-out-Texas-Voter-ID-and-Voter-Protection)


PS And after the election on Nov. 5th, let's redouble our efforts to register voters and to phonebank for Wendy Davis as well as other Democratic candidates. We have lots of work to do so that we can kick as many GOP politicians as possible out of office in 2014.

Daily Kos: Don't freak out! Texas Voter ID and Voter Protection (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/27/1251071/-Don-t-freak-out-Texas-Voter-ID-and-Voter-Protection)

Good luck with that. And thanks for pointing out a true progressive blog is sticking with the misinformation campaign.


Sondra Haltom, founder of Empower the Vote Texas, is correct when she reminds us that we simply cannot afford to freak out or to freak others out when dealing with the Republicans' new voter suppression law requiring photo identification to vote.

I repeat (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3588431-post329.html)...

Opinion: Texas voter ID law didn't suppress vote - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/12/opinion/preston-texas-id-laws/)

The left continues to worry about their right to vote multiple times, for the dead to continue to vote, and for the illegals to continue to vote.

Go hang out with your alcoholic, crack smoking hot headed mayor of Toronto.That has nothing to do with me thank goodness. Hopefully he'll be ousted... or sent south where it's the norm.