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betty70
Mar 20, 2013, 05:29 PM
I have a 7 years old daughter I adopted, she came to my home straight from the hospital. She lies and steals all sorts of things, from family, friends and public places she is also is a bully to people who are weaker then her. She has been to a psychiatrist they said to seek help from a therapist, and the therapist says she's a sociopath, that it could be genetics. She don't take any response ability for her actions makes it out to be everyone's fault but her own. She screams and cries when its time for discipline and acts like if were killing her. I'm looking for a boot camp because I am all out of options and don't know what else to do. For me and her at this point is our last option. Can anyone help!

Alty
Mar 20, 2013, 05:34 PM
Help with what, finding a boot camp that will accept a 7 year old child that's been diagnosed as a sociopath?

You've had her since birth. Do you have other children? Have you talked to a therapist as well, to make sure this is entirely the child's issue?

It's not common for a child of 7 to be diagnosed as a sociopath. How many times has she seen this therapist? What has the therapist recommended? Did the therapist suggest boot camp? Because that's as odd as diagnosing a 7 year old as a sociopath.

teacherjenn4
Mar 20, 2013, 05:38 PM
How is her behavior at school? Does she exhibit these behaviors there?

betty70
Mar 20, 2013, 06:21 PM
Help with finding a boot camp. Yes I have talked with the therapist about it she also feel that its getting to that point.

Alty
Mar 20, 2013, 06:23 PM
help with finding a boot camp. yes i have talked with the therapist about it she also feel that its getting to that point.

How long as she been in therapy? Who diagnosed her as a sociopath? How does the therapist think that sending a sociopath to boot camp will help?

betty70
Mar 20, 2013, 06:27 PM
Help with what, finding a boot camp that will accept a 7 year old child that's been diagnosed as a sociopath?

You've had her since birth. Do you have other children? Have you talked to a therapist as well, to make sure this is entirely the childs issue?

It's not common for a child of 7 to be diagnosed as a sociopath. How many times has she seen this therapist? What has the therapist recommended? Did the therapist suggest boot camp? Because that's as odd as diagnosing a 7 year old as a sociopath.

Yes I do have other children a 25,22,and a 16 year old

Alty
Mar 20, 2013, 06:29 PM
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=diagnosing%20a%207%20year%20old%20child%20as%20a %20sociopath&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.discovery.com%2Fhuman%2Fcan-a-child-be-a-sociopath.htm&ei=XWFKUZWtHozQigL0y4H4BQ&usg=AFQjCNG_Fn9lgcqtG6Sifh8AyektenSfEA

I would suggest that you read the above link. Your case sounds very similar.

teacherjenn4
Mar 20, 2013, 06:37 PM
help with finding a boot camp. yes i have talked with the therapist about it she also feel that its getting to that point.
Can you help by answering my questions about school?

betty70
Mar 20, 2013, 06:54 PM
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=diagnosing%20a%207%20year%20old%20child%20as%20a %20sociopath&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.discovery.com%2Fhuman%2Fcan-a-child-be-a-sociopath.htm&ei=XWFKUZWtHozQigL0y4H4BQ&usg=AFQjCNG_Fn9lgcqtG6Sifh8AyektenSfEA

I would suggest that you read the above link. Your case sounds very similar.

I don't want to give my baby back like what they did in the link you sent me. What I need help with is the discipline. Almost anything you do as a parent can be viewed as abuse these days. So when all the book discipline, doctors, therapist and behavior school don't work then what do you do!

Alty
Mar 20, 2013, 07:02 PM
I don't want to give my baby back like what they did in the link you sent me. What I need help with is the discipline. Almost anything you do as a parent can be viewed as abuse these days. So when all the book discipline, doctors, therapist and behavior school don't work then what do you do!

First I would find a therapist that can actually help you, instead of labeling a 7 year old as a sociopath. Therapists aren't even trained to offer a diagnosis. I would definitely find a therapist that does what he/she is paid to do, and not something they're not even trained to do.

betty70
Mar 20, 2013, 07:05 PM
Can you help by answering my questions about school?

Sorry!I'm Learning the computer. I thought I did? Yes in school she has stolen 10 juices in one day also eye glasses from a girl.

teacherjenn4
Mar 20, 2013, 07:07 PM
Sorry!I'm Learning the computer. I thought I did? Yes in school she has stolen 10 juices in one day also eye glasses from a girl.

And what has been done about it? Is the teacher handling the discipline or principal?

Wondergirl
Mar 20, 2013, 07:19 PM
What has been the family situation for her since you brought her home? -- father? Sibs? Accidents she has been in or has had? How old was she when she began acting out?

betty70
Mar 20, 2013, 07:23 PM
And what has been done about it? Is the teacher handling the discipline or principal?

When I found out what she did the next day I went and spoke with the teacher. I told her that I was going to make my daughter earn money to buy the juice so she can return it to the class and I asked if she could talk to her about not doing it again. The teachers response was don't worry about it and that my daughter did not have to bring it in.

teacherjenn4
Mar 20, 2013, 07:27 PM
When i found out what she did the next day i went and spoke with the teacher. I told her that I was going to make my daughter earn money to buy the juice so she can return it to the class and I asked if she could talk to her about not doing it again. the teachers response was don't worry about it and that my daughter did not have to bring it in.

That and the glasses situation are the only behavior issues this year at school?

betty70
Mar 20, 2013, 08:09 PM
What has been the family situation for her since you brought her home? -- father? sibs? accidents she has been in or has had? How old was she when she began acting out?
I was a first time foster parent at the time she came to me. She was and still very loved. She started acting out before she could even walk. She would get angry and bang her head. We had her evaluated for fetal alcohol syndrome when she was about 2 and a half years old. The report stated she hand facial no signs at this time and as per the behavior it was to early to be certain.
She received early childhood intervention. As time went by I knew something with my baby was not right, things got worse to the point I threaten DYFS to give me part A of the adoption paper. Which I had never received or read trusting that her caseworker was reading me everything that was in the papers. When I finally was able to read them I found that her mother was not only drinking alcohol but was also using crack, cocaine,marijuana on a daily basis. Even if I had known this information I would have still adopted her but I also would have been able to get her help when she was infant.

Wondergirl
Mar 20, 2013, 08:18 PM
Has she met her developmental stages with walking and talking and other things they do as they mature? Does she learn easily?

talaniman
Mar 20, 2013, 08:30 PM
Behavior problems in children - Symptom Checker - check medical symptoms at WrongDiagnosis (http://symptoms.rightdiagnosis.com/cosymptoms/behavior-problems-in-children.htm)

http://ezinearticles.com/?Behavior-Problems-in-Children&id=2378852

Behavior Problems (http://childparenting.about.com/od/behaviorproblems/Behavior_Problems.htm)

Your child is 7, and you shouldn't give up this soon. Keep looking for answers, change doctors, or therapist, but don't give up.

betty70
Mar 21, 2013, 04:34 PM
Has she met her developmental stages with walking and talking and other things they do as they mature? Does she learn easily?

Yes developmental mile stones were met. She has many many fears while growing like did not like water,grass,sand,and all children cry when parents leave to a store but she was server then the average child. She also never wanted any one near me or her. She would push them away. Even today she has no friends real friends in school, girl scouts or when she was in summer day camp.


Behavior problems in children - Symptom Checker - check medical symptoms at WrongDiagnosis (http://symptoms.rightdiagnosis.com/cosymptoms/behavior-problems-in-children.htm)

http://ezinearticles.com/?Behavior-Problems-in-Children&id=2378852

Behavior Problems (http://childparenting.about.com/od/behaviorproblems/Behavior_Problems.htm)

Your child is 7, and you shouldn't give up this soon. Keep looking for answers, change doctors, or therapist, but don't give up.

I'm not giving up, that will never happen but also am preparing at this time for the worst being that Im out of disciplining actions. The only ones I have left she and others may not feel is appropriate. Like trying to take to the local police station to see if they can now leave her in a jail cell for a half hour being that since the last time the police talked to her has not helped her to stop.

Wondergirl
Mar 21, 2013, 04:45 PM
Yes developmental mile stones were met. She has many many fears while growing like did not like water,grass,sand,and all children cry when parents leave to a store but she was server then the average child. she also never wanted any one near me or her. she would push them away. Even today she has no friends real friends in school, girl scouts or when she was in summer day camp.
Has autism/Asperger's been considered as a diagnosis?

Wondergirl
Mar 21, 2013, 04:47 PM
I'm not giving up, that will never happen but also am preparing at this time for the worst being that Im out of disciplining actions. The only ones i have left she and others may not feel is appropriate. like trying to take to the local police station to see if they can now leave her in a jail cell for a half hour being that since the last time the police talked to her has not helped her to stop.
Please don't do that. I am guessing that won't a make a hill-of-beans difference and suspect there is something else going on here beyond simple naughtiness or willfulness.

Why did the psychiatrist send you to a therapist (a master's level counselor, I am guessing)? Why didn't the psychiatrist take her on as a patient?

talaniman
Mar 21, 2013, 04:51 PM
I was wondering about an underlying behavior disorder myself and would be looking for a second opinion.

Wondergirl
Mar 21, 2013, 04:51 PM
What state do you live in?

Alty
Mar 21, 2013, 04:53 PM
I'm not giving up, that will never happen but also am preparing at this time for the worst being that Im out of disciplining actions. The only ones i have left she and others may not feel is appropriate. like trying to take to the local police station to see if they can now leave her in a jail cell for a half hour being that since the last time the police talked to her has not helped her to stop.

You're considering jail for a 7 year old child?

I really really really feel that the therapist she's seeing has put ideas into your head. I don't agree that a child of 7 can be diagnosed as a sociopath, and I know that no therapist is educated enough to even offer that diagnosis.

Either we're not getting the whole story, or you're just not prepared, or willing, to deal with a child with issues Stealing, yes, it's bad. When the school said they wouldn't punish her for it, what did you do? Did you set limits? Did you punish her for this behavior, or did you let it go because the school wouldn't deal with it? Has she actually gone to a psychiatrist for more than one session?

This all sounds like you just don't want to deal with it anymore, and sending her away to boot camp or jail, is the easy way out. Parenting isn't always easy. If what you're doing isn't working, you fight until you find something that does work. This is not an adult you're dealing with, this is a 7 year old child. If you find the right avenue, you should be able to change her behavior. If not, it's too soon to label her a sociopath, and send her away. She at least deserves the chance to change. Sending her to boot camp or jail, is sealing her fate, the fate one therapist (not even a doctor, not a psychiatrist, but a therapist) told you she has.

You chose to adopt this child, you need to fight to save this child, and not doom her to a destiny that right now, isn't set in stone.

Fight for her. She can't fight for herself, she's only 7!

teacherjenn4
Mar 21, 2013, 04:56 PM
I'm still waiting to hear about any additional school behavior. :(

joypulv
Mar 21, 2013, 04:58 PM
Her fears of ordinary things like sand and water do sound like some of the sights and sounds that bother autistics, and she may be over stimulated by every sight, sound, and movement around her.
Are you near a teaching hospital with a good psych and neurology dept?
I agree that the therapist sounds incompetent.

betty70
Mar 21, 2013, 05:42 PM
Please don't do that. I am guessing that won't a make a hill-of-beans difference and suspect there is something else going on here beyond simple naughtiness or willfulness.

Why did the psychiatrist send you to a therapist (a master's level counselor, I am guessing)? Why didn't the psychiatrist take her on as a patient?

Im not sure what you mean at the before your question. One of my foster children had been going to a psychiatrist for a while. At one point I had discussed with her about my 7 year old. I was told by her that the behaviors my 7 years old was expressing was not of a normal child and that it needed to be put to a stop of it will get worst. Also that she should come in to get an evaluation, so I made an appointment. When that day came another psychiatrist meet with her and said to me she had no problem that she was just copying other children behaviors and that some children in school might be bulling her. That she should see a therapist.

Wondergirl
Mar 21, 2013, 05:46 PM
Im not sure what you mean at the before your question.
Which state do you live in?

I'm a therapist, a counselor, whose specialty is children. During the past twenty years, autism has been a special interest of mine. Your daughter shows signs that this could be what is going on with her. That's not a diagnosis by any means, but it is something I really urge you to consider and explore.

betty70
Mar 21, 2013, 06:12 PM
I'm still waiting to hear about any additional school behavior. :(

Her grades are good, she respectful to any adult. She has no friends not in school or girl scouts, besides her taking those things nothing else. I do hate to say that she was being bullied in kindergarten to the point she had found out that I was not her biological mom. When school ended was when she had told me, so I was unable stop it when it was happening. This year she was able to tell the principal, and it was put to a stop that I know of, or what she tells me.

betty70
Mar 21, 2013, 06:17 PM
What state do you live in?

Bergen county N.J>

Wondergirl
Mar 21, 2013, 06:27 PM
bergen county N.J>
Thank you. You're in a very populated area. It would be good to find a psychologist who specializes in children and behavior problems and even in autism. Your daughter could be acting out in frustration about something. Be a good detective and find out what is going on in her head and what is not working for her.

betty70
Mar 21, 2013, 06:29 PM
Which state do you live in?

I'm a therapist, a counselor, whose specialty is children. During the past twenty years, autism has been a special interest of mine. Your daughter shows signs that this could be what is going on with her. That's not a diagnosis by any means, but it is something I really urge you to consider and explore.

Thank you! I never considered that possibility,I will be looking into that. Can drugs being taken though pregnancy cause autism.

betty70
Mar 21, 2013, 06:31 PM
Thank you. You're in a very populated area. It would be good to find a psychologist who specializes in children and behavior problems and even in autism. Your daughter could be acting out in frustration about something. Be a good detective and find out what is going on in her head and what is not working for her.

I will thanks!

Wondergirl
Mar 21, 2013, 06:36 PM
Thank you! I never considered that possibility,I will be looking into that. Can drugs being taken though pregnancy cause autism.
They are still looking for the causes of autism. It could be hereditary (as in my husband's and son's case) or even from the environment. I haven't heard that drugs during pregnancy would cause it, but we do know something happens somewhere during a child's development, either before or after birth. Autism covers a huge spectrum of behaviors. Here is a long list of possibilities (my husband has some, my son has different ones from my husband--but both are very smart!) --

Martha Kate Downey - List of Characteristics (http://www.mkdowney.com/characteristics.html)

Again, we/I can't diagnose your daughter, but it certain is worth a look at autism. It would explain her "sociopathic" behavior as she acts out in frustration.

teacherjenn4
Mar 21, 2013, 06:38 PM
Her grades are good, she respectful to any adult. She has no friends not in school or girl scouts, besides her taking those things nothing else. I do hate to say that she was being bullied in kindergarten to the point she had found out that I was not her biological mom. When school ended was when she had told me, so i was unable stop it when it was happening. This year she was able to tell the principal, and it was put to a stop that i know of, or what she tells me.

It's interesting to hear that she does well in school and has no real behavior problems. I've had many autistic students, along with emotionally disturbed, and they exhibited behaviors in class and on the playground. Does she say she has no friends, or has that been observed by her teacher? Plenty of my students say the same thing, yet I watch them play with children at each recess.