Do you have a link or a reputable news report?

I linked one... probably while you were still posting

Take that info and Google plenty of other sites... there is even a photo of a specific court docket... this has been around for more than a few years... it was ignored by the Obama whorshipers during his FIRST election. Was right out there with the ACORN frauds... after he claimed he had nothing to do with them and it was proven he was... this was back when he was working hand in hand with Acorn

Yes it's indisputable that Zero was a lead lawyer /community activist in the early days of the events that lead to the housing bubble. His landmark anti-discrimination case against Citi 1995 helped set the stage for the lowering of mortgage requirements. They settled the case and then began doling out mortgage approvals with virtually no qualifiers .

Of course he could give a rat's @ss that almost all of the folks he represented have had their homes go into foreclosure.
Now they sing a different tune .

“If you see some people don’t make enough money to afford the mortgage, why would you give them a loan?” asked Obama client John Buchanan. “There should be some type of regulation against giving people loans they can’t afford.”

Obama pushed banks to give subprime loans to Chicago blacks | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/03/with-landmark-lawsuit-barack-obama-pushed-banks-to-give-subprime-loans-to-chicagos-african-americans/)

It is also true that the Clintonistas were largely behind the national movement to ease mortgage standards. One of the main villains is now the Guv of my State. Andrew Coumo who was Sec HUD at the time.

The progressive newspaper 'Village Voice' explains :
Andrew Cuomo, the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history, made a series of decisions between 1997 and 2001 that gave birth to the country's current crisis. He took actions that—in combination with many other factors—helped plunge Fannie and Freddie into the subprime markets without putting in place the means to monitor their increasingly risky investments. He turned the Federal Housing Administration mortgage program into a sweetheart lender with sky-high loan ceilings and no money down, and he legalized what a federal judge has branded "kickbacks" to brokers that have fueled the sale of overpriced and unsupportable loans.


Andrew Cuomo and Fannie and Freddie - - News - New York - Village Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-08-05/news/how-andrew-cuomo-gave-birth-to-the-crisis-at-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/full/)

Woodward set the record straight on the sequester in an op-ed posted late yesterday. The Compost made sure it made the Friday evening information dump hoping most of the sheeple will not read it.

Bob Woodward: Obama’s sequester deal-changer - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester-deal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_print.html)


The president and Lew had this wrong. My extensive reporting for my book “The Price of Politics” shows that the automatic spending cuts were initiated by the White House and were the brainchild of Lew and White House congressional relations chief Rob Nabors — probably the foremost experts on budget issues in the senior ranks of the federal government.

Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved.

At the Feb. 13 Senate Finance Committee hearing on Lew's nomination to become Treasury secretary, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) asked Lew about the account in my book: “Woodward credits you with originating the plan for sequestration. Was he right or wrong?”

“It's a little more complicated than that,” Lew responded, “and even in his account, it was a little more complicated than that. We were in a negotiation where the failure would have meant the default of the government of the United States.”

“Did you make the suggestion?” Burr asked.

“Well, what I did was said that with all other options closed, we needed to look for an option where we could agree on how to resolve our differences. And we went back to the 1984 plan that Senator [Phil] Gramm and Senator [Warren] Rudman worked on and said that that would be a basis for having a consequence that would be so unacceptable to everyone that we would be able to get action.”

In other words, yes.

But then Burr asked about the president's statement during the presidential debate, that the Republicans originated it.

Lew, being a good lawyer and a loyal presidential adviser, then shifted to denial mode: “Senator, the demand for an enforcement mechanism was not something that the administration was pushing at that moment.”

That statement was not accurate.

In other words Lew lied under sworn testimony .

Now here is the key point.. Read it carefully .

In fact, the final deal reached between Vice President Biden and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in 2011 included an agreement that there would be no tax increases in the sequester in exchange for what the president was insisting on: an agreement that the nation's debt ceiling would be increased for 18 months, so Obama would not have to go through another such negotiation in 2012, when he was running for reelection.

So when the president asks that a substitute for the sequester include not just spending cuts but also new revenue, he is moving the goal posts. His call for a balanced approach is reasonable, and he makes a strong case that those in the top income brackets could and should pay more. But that was not the deal he made.

Hello again,

I just want to make SURE I understand the right wing position... BEFORE Obama was EVEN a state senator, he FORCED the banks to LOSE all their money.

Right...

excon

A house is an American dream pushed by many in Washington for years. That has nothing to do with the bank shenanigans that occurred during that time, coming up with schemes and trick and traps that caught people up. How easy for the banks would have to inform the consumers especially first time buyers that a 50 thousand dollar house was more affordable than the 100 thousand dollar one was for them? They didn't. Instead they came up with ARM loans and back loaded the loan with inflated balloon payments, making them impossible to maintain even though had for a number of years in many cases paid the mortgage.

So lets not let the banks off the hook just yet since many of them are still being investigated for fraud, and never owned the houses, or the mortgages in the first place. And lets not forget how lenders in collusion with builders and appraisers often, and I do mean OFTEN inflated the value of newer homes and produced fraudulent paper work for the older ones, raising the prices higher than need be.

Negotiating a hefty fine that people don't seem to have gotten (state governments did but did not pass the money to consumers for discrimination, and fraudulent lending practices) doesn't mitigate the criminal acts along the way, and its was still ROBBERY by mortgage banking institutions, and even the rating agencies were a major player when the banks were bundling those fraudulent mortgages as part of a financial product sold to investors here, and to other countries.

Now you defenders of vulture capitalism defend the rights of other capitalists to rob whomever they please, and keep the money the filched. Sure they got bailed out,and repaid the government at a profit I might add, but that's only part of what should be a comprehensive process of dealing with the intransigence of the banks.

Blame everybody but the crooks is par for the course with you righties. The banks didn't lose their money, they lost everybody else's money.


there would be no tax increases in the sequester

Closing loopholes is not a tax increase and only a capitalist sees it as one. Semantics to your advantage since you guys are the recognized experts at moving the goal posts.

Closing so called 'loop holes' without a rate reduction is indeed a tax increase. The President got his tax increase on the 'millionaires and billionaires' already . Time to live up to his end of the bargain.

I disagree and the congress should be doing their part in mitigating this sequester also and not just putting it on the executive branch. Are you forgetting that congresses inability to do their job led to this sequester in the first place?

Not only did they fail in the debt ceiling debacle, but the super committee as well.

Woodward set the record straight on the sequester in an op-ed posted late yesterday. The Compost made sure it made the Friday evening information dump hoping most of the sheeple will not read it.

Bob Woodward: Obama’s sequester deal-changer - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester-deal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_print.html)


In other words Lew lied under sworn testimony .

Now here is the key point.. Read it carefully .

Speaking of Lew, I heard when he was at NYU he steered students to Citibank for loans... then went to work for them. Nothing cozy there.

And did you know Obama threatened to veto anything that would stop his sequester cuts?

Hello again, righty's:

All this is SMALL BALL.. Who invented it, doesn't matter. Who disavows it, doesn't matter. Who blames the other guy, doesn't matter.

Who the PUBLIC blames DOES matter, and right now it's the Republicans... Obama 2.0 is WINNING. Arguing that Jack Lew STARTED it AIN'T going to save your right wing hide. You'll be lucky to HAVE a party in 2014.

excon

You're right, facts don't matter. If they did Obama would be toast. But I'll stay on the side of truth and you guys can support your liars and crooks and defrauding the people to get your way.

Hello again, Steve:


.. to get your way."My ONE focus is to make Barack Obama a ONE term president." If THAT wasn't getting HIS/YOUR way, I'll eat my hat...

Like I said, PAYBACK is b1tch..

Here's a clue.. If you're going to play scorched earth politics, you better be SURE you win. You didn't. And, you're going DOWN..

Excon

Hello again, Steve:

"My ONE focus is to make Barack Obama a ONE term president." If THAT wasn't getting HIS/YOUR way, I'll eat my hat...

Like I said, PAYBACK is b1tch..

Here's a clue.. If you're gonna play scorched earth politics, you better be SURE you win. You didn't. And, you're goin DOWN..

excon

Like I said, ain't nothing wrong with wanting to beat the other guy. You forget the Bush years. The difference is we don't have the media machine on our side. If they did their job Obama would be toast.

Why don't you have the media that's on YOUR side? If this is the center right country you say it is, where is your media voice? Don't blame our side for having something YOU guys don't have.

Hello again, righty's:

All this is SMALL BALL.. Who invented it, doesn't matter. Who disavows it, doesn't matter. Who blames the other guy, doesn't matter.

Who the PUBLIC blames DOES matter, and right now it's the Republicans... Obama 2.0 is WINNING. Arguing that Jack Lew STARTED it AIN'T gonna save your right wing hide. You'll be lucky to HAVE a party in 2014.

excon

Not sure I want the Republic party as it is currently constructed . There is a disconnect between the base and the beltway leadership . Not sure it can be repaired. I don't want a party that thinks a massive nanny-state is OK if properly managed.
As Country Club Republicans Link Up With The Democratic Ruling Class, Millions Of Voters Are Orphaned - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/02/20/as-country-club-republicans-link-up-with-the-democratic-ruling-class-millions-of-voters-are-orphaned/)

The media doesn't necessarily reflect the people's views. Heck, NBC is about half Obots now, and we didn't have debate moderators shilling for Obama on the "war on women" and such. But that's OK, you should proud about you've duped America. Very honorable...

Maybe America is tired of the right wing deceptions. Maybe its time you faced the fact that more people reject you for your hollering and rhetoric, and policy actions than are deceived by US.

Maybe your ideas don't fit the rest of the country. Its possible and you should explore that possibility before you say or think its just most people are dumb, and easily duped.

No ;most people are not represented . As Professor Codevilla wrote ;
The Republican Party never fully adapted itself to the fact that modern big government is an interest group in and of itself, inherently at odds with the rest of society, that it creates a demand for representation by those it alienates, and hence that politicians must choose whether to represent the rulers or the ruled.

Maybe America is tired of the right wing deceptions. Maybe its time you faced the fact that more people reject you for your hollering and rhetoric, and policy actions than are deceived by US.

Maybe your ideas don't fit the rest of the country. Its possible and you should explore that possibility before you say or think its just most people are dumb, and easily duped.

America is most certainly tired of left wing deceptions... and yes... MOST of what they preach to the sheeple IS deception.

For example I REALLY want to know exactly where all these hordes of teachers that are going to be laid off are exactly I hear the brown blowhard bloviate about constantly... since schools are funded and supported by local property taxes... not Federal taxes. Something Owebama has NO control over.

So why doesn't the Republican Party connect with Latinos, for instance, on a basic, family-values level -- strong two-parent families, daughters with enough self esteem that they don't have children before marriage, marriage (not simply living together) as a goal, good parenting from birth forward, wholesome activities for teens, and of course literacy/ESL.

So why doesn't the Republican Party connect with Latinos, for instance, on a basic, family-values level -- strong two-parent families, daughters with enough self esteem that they don't have children before marriage, marriage (not simply living together) as a goal, good parenting from birth forward, wholesome activities for teens, and of course literacy/ESL.

Because most of them come from countries where democracy never existed... and the fact many are so poorly educated or badly informed enough they actually believe what they hear on the news is actually what really happens.

Something those of us who have spent nearly 30 years in and around the corridors and back rooms of all parts of the government know better. But they lack the perspective to know.

Poorly informed people are the easiest to deceive. And if you rely on the news in any of its forms... you are poorly informed. Because what you are told is carefully controlled by people with agendas.


And incidentally... its even worse in other countries.

Because most of them come from countries where democracy never existed....and the fact many are so poorly educated or badly informed enough they actually believe what they hear on the news is actually what really happens.

Something those of us who have spent nearly 30 years in and around the corridors and back rooms of all parts of the government know better. But they lack the perspective to know.

Poorly informed people are the easiest to deceive. And if you rely on the news in any of its forms...you are poorly informed. Because what you are told is carefully controlled by people with agendas.
So change their minds and hearts. Use the public library as a jumping off point. Mobilize Republicans to start those changes and get those boots on the ground!

So change their minds and hearts. Use the public library as a jumping off point. Mobilize Republicans to start those changes and get those boots on the ground!
To be honest... its way too big of a problem for me to even think about taking on.

That and I really am not passionate enough about it to be willing to deal with everything that goes with it. It will make you a lightning rod for all sorts of attention you really don't want or need by people you really don't want it from. And I know way too well what resources they have and their tactics.

That and I have too many other things I enjoy going on. That would be a full time job.

Sometimes people get what they deserve... usually for the worse... and we are right in the middle of that now.

Probably not going to happen... instead we gots Rockefeller wing Repubics like Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie planning on beating down any grass roots efforts before it blossoms. In that effort they have a willing accomplice in Speaker Bonehead who led 1/3 of his caucus to side with the House Dems in January to pass higher taxes and more subsidies for Democratic constituencies. Two thirds voted no... doing what their constituents sent them to Washington to do.

Are you saying your right wing representatives in the house is UNDER represented? And they are the only ones in the house whose votes should be counted?

Maybe that kind of thinking is the problem. One third cannot over rule TWO thirds of the house no matter how noisy the minority is. Its simple vote Karl Rove out! Oh sorry, you can't! Well vote Bonehead out! You don't seem to be able to do that either.

That's the lame stream medias fault too! You guys need a media all your own to get your own civil war out of the shadows

Read the Professor Angelo Codevilla link.. . That was a follow-up to a very important essay he wrote in 2010. I'll re-post both .
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the

As Country Club Republicans Link Up With The Democratic Ruling Class, Millions Of Voters Are Orphaned - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/02/20/as-country-club-republicans-link-up-with-the-democratic-ruling-class-millions-of-voters-are-orphaned/)

Your party isn't immune either . Codevilla states in his latest piece that 2/3 of the country has no representation in the government at all, and that is not a stable situation.There is in fact little difference between the establishment parties. They both compete for the power to manage the nanny-state without questioning the logic of having a Hobbesian Leviathan model .

It is not just the Repubics that are in crisis .Currently the only difference is that the President is holding a fragile coalition together with promises that will never come to fruition , [ promises to more equally divide a shrinking pie instead of growing the pie];and of course the demonization of the opposition. The threads that bind then will fray when the promises are not delivered.

read the Professor Angelo Codevilla link .. . That was a follow-up to a very important essay he wrote in 2010. I'll re-post both .
The American Spectator : America's Ruling Class -- And the Perils of Revolution (http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the)



That's funny. Wasn't there someone here posting exactly the same type of argument as Codevilla?

Wasn't this person posting this stuff over an extended period before the Codevilla argument came to light at AMHD?

Tut if you made such an argument then kudos to you . I don't recall you speaking of the Country class and how they are being shut out of the political process by those who claim to represent them . Perhaps I overlooked that while reading your logic 101 tutorials .

Perhaps he was talking about you tom

Part of the problem is the left wingers with what they DON'T teach by choice in the public schools...

20 Of The Most Embarrassing Moments In The History Of The Democrat Party - John Hawkins - [page] (http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2013/02/23/20-of-the-most-embarrassing-moments-in-the-history-of-the-democrat-party-n1518613/page/full/)

The text...

For example, one will virtually never hear that the Palmer Raids, Prohibition, or American eugenics were thoroughly progressive phenomena. These are sins America itself must atone for. Meanwhile, real or alleged “conservative” misdeeds — say McCarthyism — are always the exclusive fault of conservatives and a sign of the policies they would repeat if given power. The only culpable mistake that liberals make is failing to fight “hard enough” for their principles. Liberals are never responsible for historic misdeeds because they feel no compulsion to defend the inherent goodness of America. Conservatives, meanwhile, not only take the blame for events not of their own making that they often worked the most assiduously against, but find themselves defending liberal misdeeds in order to defend America herself. -- Jonah Goldberg

1) The Trail of Tears (1838): The first Democrat President, Andrew Jackson and his successor Martin Van Buren, herded Indians into camps, tormented them, burned and pillaged their homes and forced them to relocate with minimal supplies. Thousands died along the way.

2) Democrats Cause The Civil War (1860): The pro-slavery faction of the Democrat Party responded to Abraham Lincoln's election by seceding, which led to the Civil War.

3) Formation of the KKK (1865): Along with 5 other Confederate veterans, Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest created the KKK.

4) 300 Black Americans Murdered (1868): "Democrats in Opelousas, Louisiana killed nearly 300 blacks who tried to foil an assault on a Republican newspaper editor."

5) The American Protective League and The Palmer Raids (1919-1921): Under the leadership of Woodrow Wilson, criticizing the government became a crime and a fascist organization, the American Protective League was formed to spy on and even arrest fellow Americans for being insufficiently loyal to the government. More than 100,000 Americans were arrested, with less than 1% of them ever being found guilty of any kind of crime.

6) Democrats Successfully Stop Republicans From Making Lynching A Federal Crime (1922): "The U.S. House adopted Rep. Leonidas Dyer's (R., Mo.) bill making lynching a federal crime. Filibustering Senate Democrats killed the measure."

7) The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment (1932-1972): Contrary to what you may have heard, Democrats in Alabama did not give black Americans syphilis. However, the experimenters did know that subjects of the experiment unknowingly had syphilis and even after it was proven that penicillin could be used to effectively treat the disease in 1947, the experiments continued. As a result, a number of the subjects needlessly infected their loved ones and died, when they could have been cured.

8) Japanese Internment Camps (1942): Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an executive order that led to more than 100,000 Japanese Americans being put into "bleak, remote camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards."

9) Alger Hiss Convicted Of Perjury (1950): Hiss, who helped advise FDR at Yalta and was strongly defended by the Left, turned out to be a Soviet spy. He was convicted of perjury in 1950 (Sadly, the statute of limitations on espionage had run out), but was defended by liberals for decades until the Verona papers proved so conclusively that he was guilty that even most his fellow liberals couldn't continue to deny it.

10) The West Virginia Democrat primary is rigged by John F. Kennedy (1960): From an interview with the late, great Robert Novak.

John Hawkins: You also said that without question, John F. Kennedy rigged the West Virginia Democratic primary in (1960), but that the Wall Street Journal killed the story. Do you think that sort of thing is still occurring with great regularity and do you wish the Journal had reported the story when it happened?

Robert Novak: In my opinion, they should have. They sent two reporters down to West Virginia for six weeks and they came back with a carefully documented story on voter fraud in West Virginia, buying votes, and how he beat Humphrey in the primary and therefore got the nomination. But, Ed Kilgore, the President of Dow Jones and publisher of the Wall Street Journal, a very conservative man, said it wasn't the business of the Wall Street Journal to decide the nominee of the Democratic Party and he killed the story. That story didn't come out for many, many years — 30-40 years. It was kept secret all that time.

11) The Bay of Pigs (1961): After training a Cuban militia to overthrow Castro, Kennedy got cold feet and didn't give the men all the air support they were promised. As a result, they were easily defeated by Castro's men and today, Cuba is still ruled by a hostile, anti-American dictatorship.

12) Fire Hoses And Attack Dogs Used On Children (1963): Birmingham, Alabama's notorious Commissioner of Public Safety, Democrat Bull Connor, used attack dogs and fire hoses on children and teenagers marching for civil rights. Ultimately, thousands of them would also be arrested.

13) Stand In The Schoolhouse Door (1963): Democrat George Wallace gave his notorious speech against integrating schools at the University of Alabama in which he said, "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."

14) Escalation In Vietnam (1964): Lyndon Johnson dramatically escalated our troops' presence in Vietnam while he simultaneously put political restrictions in place that made the war unwinnable. As a result, 58,000 Americans died in a war that ultimately achieved none of its aims.

15) Chappaquid (1969): The Democrats' beloved "Liberal Lion" of the Senate, Ted Kennedy ran off the road into a tidal pool with passenger Mary Jo Kopechne in the car. Kennedy swam free and then spent 9 hours plotting how he would reveal the news to the press while she slowly suffocated to death.

16) Democrats Deliver South Vietnam To The North (1975): "In 1975, when there were no Americans left in Vietnam, the left wing of the Democratic Party killed the government of South Vietnam, cut off all of its funding, cut off all of its ammunition, and sent a signal to the world that the United States had abandoned its allies." -- Newt Gingrich

17) The Iranian Hostage Crisis (1979-1981): 52 Americans were held hostage by the government of Iran for 444 days. After Jimmy Carter's disastrous, failed rescue attempt, the hostages were finally released after Ronald Reagan's inaugural address.

18) Bill Clinton turns down Osama Bin Laden (1996): In Bill Clinton's own words, "'Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we'd been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start meeting with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America.' — Bill Clinton explains to a Long Island, N.Y., business group why he turned down Sudan's offer to extradite Osama Bin Laden to America in 1996." Had Bill Clinton accepted Sudan's offer, 9/11 would have likely never happened.

19) Bill Clinton was impeached (1998): Clinton became only the 2nd President in American history to be impeached after he lied under oath about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

20) America loses its AAA credit rating (2011): The United States was first given its AAA credit in 1917, but it couldn't survive Barack Obama's record breaking spending. In 2011, America lost its AAA credit rating.

Hello smoothy:


20) America loses its AAA credit rating (2011): The United States was first given its AAA credit in 1917, but it couldn't survive Barack Obama's record breaking spending. In 2011, America lost its AAA credit rating.Wheew. It's a good thing I didn't have to read ALL your right wing clap trap.. I just skipped to the end and found a lie. I'd imagine the rest are lies as well..

We LOST our pristine credit rating because the Republicans were threatening to drive the country go into default. It's no more difficult than that.

I'd stay away from those right wing web sites, if I was you.

Excon

Amazing how Obama never has any culpability.

Hello again, Steve:


Amazing how Obama never has any culpability.What's amazing is your selective outrage, and your inability to remember what actually happened.

But, Obama is PLENTY culpable. He SHOULD have prosecuted Bush/Cheney and their criminal gang. He SHOULDN'T be killing Americans WITHOUT due process of law. He SHOULDN'T be warring in countries where we haven't declared war.

But, he ABSOLUTELY SHOULD destroy the Republican party if he can. That's the ONLY way to save this country.

Excon

Hello again, Steve:

What's amazing is your selective outrage, and your inability to remember what actually happened.

But, Obama is PLENTY culpable. He SHOULD have prosecuted Bush/Cheney and their criminal gang. He SHOULDN'T be killing Americans WITHOUT due process of law. He SHOULDN'T be warring in countries where we haven't declared war.

But, he ABSOLUTELY SHOULD destroy the Republican party if he can. That's the ONLY way to save this country.

excon

The irony...

Speaking of selective outrage, I'm sure Obama selling access is no biggie...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/us/politics/obamas-backers-seek-deep-pockets-to-press-agenda.html?_r=1&

Hello smoothy:

Wheew. It's a good thing I didn't have to read ALL your right wing clap trap.. I just skipped to the end and found a lie. I'd imagine the rest are lies as well..

We LOST our pristine credit rating because the Republicans were threatening to drive the country go into default. It's no more difficult than that.

I'd stay away from those right wing web sites, if I was you.

excon

Don't the democrat just hate the facts? It gets in the way of their lefty propaganda. For your Information the Dems controlled the house since 2006... and from 2008 through 2010 the Dems Controlled the House the Senate AND the White house...

In what universe and reality does that make it anyone's fault BUT the Democrats?

Hello again, Steve:

What's amazing is your selective outrage, and your inability to remember what actually happened.

But, Obama is PLENTY culpable. He SHOULD have prosecuted Bush/Cheney and their criminal gang. He SHOULDN'T be killing Americans WITHOUT due process of law. He SHOULDN'T be warring in countries where we haven't declared war.

But, he ABSOLUTELY SHOULD destroy the Republican party if he can. That's the ONLY way to save this country.

excon

Obama needs to just convict HIMSELF first... because he's a bigger criminal than Nixon EVER was.

And the Rest of the Democrat leadership makes a Federal Prison look like club of Alter boys.

In what universe and reality does that make it anyone's fault BUT the Democrats?

When you are in power it is your fault, except when it is the other guys fault. What part of this do you not understand?

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"I don't recall you speaking of the Country class and how they are being shut out of the political process by those who claim to represent them. Perhaps I overlooked that while I was reading your logic 101 tutorials"
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I didn't want to steal your thunder so I left that bit up to you. I know this is one of you favourite talking points. You actually do a very well with it. However, over a period I have covered most of the other stuff mentioned in the article.

Tom, feel free to enroll in any Logic 101 you like. While you are at it you might like to enroll in Criminal Law and Civil Law. I may help you to avoid the sensationalist garbage journalism you posted on Teacher Unions. The Wall Street Journal article is the only one that remotely resembles some type of objective account. However, that account needs some work.

On the other hand, I did say I was going to retire from this board.


Tut

When you are in power it is your fault, except when it is the other guys fault. What part of this do you not understand?

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ObamaCare was written by the democrats behind closed doors without essentially any Republican input... and rammed through without a proper vote through trickery. Because they didn't have enough votes to get it to pass since Scott Brown got elected denying them a proper majority.



The Democrats OWN everything wrong with that and they CAN'T legitimately blame anyone else for that but themselves.

I hope they choke to death on it.

the sensationalist garbage journalism you posted on Teacher Unions.
When I want to post sensationalist garbage journalism I go right to the NY Slimes and the Washington Compost . I understand you are a shill and apologist for the teacher's unions . If what I posted was over the top ,then it is equally true that charges that the Catholic church is a criminal organization covering for predators is equally true. Perhaps you want to address that over the top ,sensationalist garbage charge.

When I want to post sensationalist garbage journalism I go right to the NY Slimes and the Washington Compost . I understand you are a shill and apologist for the teacher's unions . If what I posted was over the top ,then it is equally true that charges that the Catholic church is a criminal organization covering for predators is equally true. Perhaps you want to address that over the top ,sensationalist garbage charge.


I am sorry you didn't like my analysis when it came to Teacher Unions and how the unions are 'protecting abusers'. My arguments stand or fall of their merits. Ad hominem attacks are of no value in this or any other discussion.No, I don't belong to any union at the moment.

The NY Slimes and Washington Compost ( whatever that means) may well be examples of sensationalist journalism. I am not disputing that. The only question I would ask is why you don't have a decent standard of journalism?

Yes, what you did post was 'over the top' and the reason I addressed it was because the other side just gave an uninformed opinion. You attempted to give some type of journalistic credibility to story.

Yes, All these opinions in relation to the Catholic Church are false, misleading and lack any sort of truth.


Tut

The only question I would ask is why you don't have a decent standard of journalism?

There never has been objective journalism. It is a myth. The NY Slimes and Washington Compost are my names for the NY Times and the Washington Post ;the so called standard bearers ;the so called "gate keepers" of truth and "decent " "objective " journalism.
What I've posted is absolutely accurate if you remove what you call sensationalism. It is a FACT that NY City spends millions annually assigning predator and incompetent teachers in so called "rubber rooms " . They would like to can their @sses ,but union rules prevent it.

What I've posted in absolutely accurate if you remove what your so call sensationalism. It is a FACT that NY City spends millions annually assigning predator and incompetent teachers in so called "rubber rooms " . They would like to can their @sses ,but union rules prevent it.

No, I didn't say your postings in relation to "rubber rooms' we sensationalist and misleading. Show me the relevant post?

I was addressing the issue of Teacher Unions defending abusers and the sensationalism attached to that story.

Tut

Obama v.2008 (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/24/flashback_obama_adding_4_trillion_to_debt_is_unpat riotic.html)$9 Trillion in debt is "irresponsible. It's unpatriotic."

Obama 2.0: (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-there-is-no-debt-crisis-16-6-trillion-in-debt/) $16.6 Trillion in debt is "sustainable."

Chris Wallace asks Durbin to explain:

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Durbin to be blunt... is a dumbazz Though not quite in the legaue Joe Biden plays in..

Hmmm, (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295082/Why-does-devil-The-Bible-look-exactly-like-President-Obama.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)does Satan resemble Obama in the bible miniseries on purpose?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/18/article-2295082-18BFD6BD000005DC-96_634x547.jpg

I don't know, he looks older and creepier...

Hmmm, (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295082/Why-does-devil-The-Bible-look-exactly-like-President-Obama.html?ito=feeds-newsxml)does Satan resemble Obama in the bible miniseries on purpose?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/18/article-2295082-18BFD6BD000005DC-96_634x547.jpg

I don't know, he looks older and creepier...

That's for an upcoming Viagra commercial... apparently the little blue pill doesn't work for everyone.

OMG ! He's wearing a hoodie !

I thought it was Obi-Wan Kenobi from Star Warz 'n the Hood.

And Satan said "If I had a son,he would look like ................... "

He's just upset the little soldier is refusing his order to stand at attention...

John McCormack has it pegged:

Well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.............................................. ...............

Yep... I agree with that.

Thought you would

Obama 2.0 is just like Obama 1.0, the only difference is Democrats may be coming to the realization many of us made long ago, it's all about him.



President Barack Obama’s decision to launch his own political organization has some Democrats wondering: Is he just in it for himself?

Obama’s new group, Organizing for Action, will focus on his policy agenda – not on electing Democratic candidates – by raising unlimited amounts of cash and accessing the president’s secret list of 20 million supporters, volunteers and donors.

The operation won’t share money, resources or the priceless Obama email list with the Democratic National Committee or campaign committees that help elect members of Congress, governors and legislators. And it has no plans to coordinate efforts, leading some Democrats to worry that it will take money and manpower away from the party as it heads into the 2014 elections for control of Congress.

“There’s only so much money to go around in Democratic circles. There’s a limited pool of resources,” said Gilda Cobb Hunter, a South Carolina legislator and a member of the Democratic National Committee. “Why can’t we strengthen one entity?”

Several DNC members said in interviews that they weren’t told about Organizing for Action’s formation until it was publicly announced in January. They said that when they’d complained, they were chastised and told by national and state party leaders not to speak publicly. Most spoke to McClatchy only on the condition of anonymity in order to talk candidly about the internal party dispute.

Party Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a congresswoman from Florida, tried to alleviate concerns in a conference call with Democrats in March, stressing that the groups wouldn’t compete for money and resources in part because they had different missions.

“What I took away was they heard the complaints of the body,” said one DNC member who was on the conference call.

The DNC declined to comment last week. White House officials have praised the group for helping to promote the president’s agenda.

Days before his second term began, Obama announced that his campaign would morph into a nonprofit, tax-exempt group to rally support across the country for his agenda. “Organizing for Action will be an unparalleled force in American politics,” he told supporters.

Other presidents have created or championed organizations outside the major national parties. Bill Clinton, for example, embraced the Democratic Leadership Council, an organization that pushed a moderate agenda.

But that functioned more as a think tank. And Obama is the first to form a group that will raise millions of dollars as it seeks to perpetuate a year-round campaign for him.

Read more here: Democrats fear Obama group will siphon money from them | McClatchy (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/04/01/187421/democrats-fear-obama-group-will.html#storylink=cpy)

C'mon guys, you haven't realized before that everything is about Obama? The great hope for America has always been a self-serving narcissist.

Who cares what insecure politicians are afraid of? I survive by dealing with REALITY, and not putting people on a pedestal. Party affiliations mean NOTHING.

Hello again, Steve:


C'mon guys, you haven't realized before that everything is about Obama?Uhhhhh, nope.

If he'da done things the way the DNC wanted, he wouldn't be president... Plus, Democrats don't walk in lockstep like you guys do.

He's his own man. He does things HIS way. That's what leaders do. That's what I do. That's why he's a great man.

Excon

I just feel for all those millions that actually think Obama cares about them.

Hello again, Steve:

Uhhhhh, nope.

If he'da done things the way the DNC wanted, he wouldn't be president... Plus, Democrats don't walk in lockstep like you guys do.

He's his own man. He does things HIS way. That's what leaders do. That's what I do. That's why he's a great man.

excon

LOL, great leaders lead and care about those under them, Obama doesn't lead, and he only cares about himself.

Nice bumper sticker.

Considering its April 2 and how many golf trips and vacations have the Obama clan been on since Jan 1 already?

King of Vacation Time: "That honor falls to President George W. Bush, who racked up 1,020 vacation days in his eight years in office, including one five-week vacation, the most of any president in 36 years. Not to say he wasn’t on the job when he was at his Crawford, Texas ranch, but he was away from the White House."

Read more (list of Presidents' vacation times): President Obama (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2013/jan/7/president-obamas-back-hawaii-how-many-vacations-ha/#ixzz2PKfpsCOy)

Nice bumper sticker.

Now this is a nice bumper sticker...

http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Bumper-Sticker-shoot-like-a-girl-1024x401.jpg

Nutjob in training.

I prefer it when Presidents and Congress are on vacation.

Nutjob in training.

A little self-reflection?

http://thelookingspoon.com/images/blog/2013/obama_does_job_of_three_men_larry_moe_curly.jpg

Hello smoothy:

Bumper sticker smoothy, that's what I call you.

excon

Hello smoothy:

Bumper sticker smoothy, that's what I call ya.

excon

Its more than a bumper sticker... its reality.

There has NEVER been a more incompetent Buffoon in an American public office.

Okay I give you win, you are the new president of the right wing loony vacuum chamber. It was close but you beat Rush.

Congrats. :)

Okay I give you win, you are the new president of the right wing loony vacuum chamber. It was close but you beat Rush.

Congrats. :)

Did you pray to Obama on Easter and Christmas?

No, just gave thanks to be alive, and the wisdom and strength to deal with reality. Same as everyday. I put no one between me and my God, nor put anyone on a pedestal. That includes you and Obama.

No, just gave thanks to be alive, and the wisdom and strenght to deal with reality. Same as everyday. I put no one between me and my God, nor put anyone on a pedestal. That includes you and Obama.

You and the rest of the Democrats are doing EXACTLY that... putting OweBama up on a pedistal talking about how wonderful , perfect and wise he is... despite EVERY bit of evidence he is a clueless dolt, without a shred of common sense..

despite EVERY bit of evidence he is a clueless dolt, without a shred of common sense..

And yet he won... what does that say about his opponents?

and yet he won..................................what does that say about his opponents?

He didn't "WIN" that election was stolen through massive voter fraud... that's already been well documented... and its people like you choose to ignore the FACTS..

No I just think you want to shoot the messenger instead of looking at the real problem; the uncooperative republicans who stop the process from working through obstructionism

Obama didn't "win" you lost because of your candidate's big mouth!

Today Fisker Automotive, which received nearly $200 million in taxpayer money, is laying off 3/4 of its U.S. workers. Fisker of course is the company that makes electric cars for the 1%. They make the ultra-expensive Karma ;an electric hybid that is assembled in Finland .They received a green-energy loan to transition the assembly to the U.S. something that never happened.
The Fisker joins Tesla and other "green energy companies as Obama boondoggles and examples of his brand of "crony capitalism ".
http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-fisker-layoff-staff-20130405,0,6931960.story

Call it what you will but the capitalism is hardly the crony type, since the DOE is the one rethinking its options,


The company ran into a cash crunch after the federal government froze an Energy Department loan. Fisker is supposed to make the first payment on some of $192 million it borrowed from the government later this month.


Potential buyers would want to tap into the federal money to restart the business and launch work on a second model, the Atlantic, a $55,000, four-door rechargeable sports sedan. However, the government is reluctant to extend more credit without getting guarantees for U.S. employment and setting milestones for the development of the next vehicle.

Did you pray to Obama on Easter and Christmas?=BumperStickerI pray to no one. What imaginary character do you pray to?

Oh I think it's exactly that.
Nice trying to deflect the blame to DOE... next you'll say it is regulations that failed it.

Fisker hasn't built a car since July and its primary battery supplier, A123 Systems Inc. filed for bankruptcy protection and was purchased by Chinese auto parts maker Wanxiang Group Inc. It has been looking for a buyer for the company and hasn't found it. Maybe the US taxpayer can buy it and give the shares to the UAW .
A123 Systems was another Obamaboondoggle .

And while we 're at it ; The Obots shut down the WH tours and have been belly aching about the effects of the sequester.. Well when it came to spending priorities ;they made sure their cronies got their slice of the pie.
Despite Sequestration, DOE, Treasury Hand Out $1.2 Billion Cash (http://blog.heritage.org/2013/04/03/doe-treasury-give-1-2-billion-in-cash-to-energy-projects-despite-sequestration/)

Section 1603 payments have not escaped sequestration, though awards will continue to be distributed for at least the next six months. Projects awarded Section 1603 funds beginning March 1, 2013, and continuing through September 30, 2013, will see an 8.7 percent reduction in their award amounts

F-35 racked up $1.2 billion in cost overruns - One News Page (http://www.onenewspage.com/n/Business/74vr1ltnn/35-racked-up-billion-in.htm)

You trying to make your case with
F-35 spending?? I think the whole project should be scrapped !

Me too, but Lockheed and the Netherlands may not agree since they have invested a considerable amount into its completion.

It's the one big disagreement with the military people I communicate with. It was a nice thought ;a one size fits all needs for all branches of service. But no ;it never could work.. If we are going to spend major $$$ on 21st century weaponry then it should perform better than it's 20th Century competition. I note that this week we sent a squadron of stealth F-22 Raptors to South Korea... not F-35 JSF .

I think with technology growing so fast, the shelf life for the latest weapons is a shorter one than they think. The F35 is a 50 year fix, but in 10 years it could be obsolete. The carriers may be as obsolete too.

I think with technology growing so fast, the shelf life for the latest weapons is a shorter one than they think. The F35 is a 50 year fix, but in 10 years it could be obsolete. The carriers may be as obsolete too.

I used to think that too ;but the Navy will rock with Electromagnetic Rail Guns mounted on carrier escorts . Those bad boys will be able to disable the anti-carrier missiles that the Chinese are developing before the carriers are in range.
They should be deployable and standard issue by 2020 .
Electromagnetic Railgun - Office of Naval Research (http://www.onr.navy.mil/Media-Center/Fact-Sheets/Electromagnetic-Railgun.aspx)

Yes Tom and laser cannons will do wonders too and at a dollar a shot the military budget can be cut in half

Yup it's a win win . There is no down side to developing the weapon.

yup it's a win win . There is no down side to developing the weapon.

Yes there is a problem with putting all your eggs in one basket. Should there be a development of an EMP weapon it could take that system out leaving it defenseless. We need to be careful with choices we make and how much we rely on pure technology.

Agree.. discussed the threat of EMP on the thred about the NORKS
Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - The Mouse that roared! (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3435746-post63.html)

Yes there is a problem with putting all your eggs in one basket. Should there be a development of an EMP weapon it could take that system out leaving it defenseless. We need to be careful with choices we make and how much we rely on pure technology.

Yes EMP weaponry might be a game changer but you need to be able to follow up

yes EMP weaponry might be a game changer but you need to be able to follow up

That is why conventional weapons would be the back up. They don't need electricity to run or aim.

That is why conventional weapons would be the back up. They dont need electricity to run or aim.

Which conventional weapons are they, hand guns. Tanks, aircraft and vehicles, etc might not survive an EMP. You have to get an idea of how far electronics have penertrated systems, targeting is electronic you can't move artillery with no vehicles and it is a long way to walk

Get real we got thousands missiles ready at a minutes notice of anything being launched by any one anywhere. And there is no question of there range.

And a EMP makes them as worthless as fire crackers.

Exactly

So they can kick our a$$ before we kick theirs and we are helpless to stop them? Okay if you want to kiss NK's a$$ go ahead.

which conventional weapons are they, hand guns. Tanks, aircraft and vehicles, etc might not survive an EMP. You have to get an idea of how far electronics have penertrated systems, targetting is electronic you can't move artillery with no vehicles and it is a long way to walk

Many vehicles may still run. They just need to be cranked to get them running if the run on diesel. You don't need a spark to make a diesel motor run. And targeting was done by hand in the old days like in WW2. Many diesel motors also have an "air" starter so it takes no electricity to make it turn over.

if you want to kiss NK's a$$ go aheadNow now, just be nice to me and nothing happens.

Now now, just be nice to me and nothing happens.

Got to admit that made me chuckle.

Many vehicles may still run. They just need to be cranked to get them running if the run on diesel. You dont need a spark to make a diesel motor run. And targeting was done by hand in the old days like in WW2. Many diesel motors also have an "air" starter so it takes no electricity to make it turn over.

Yes but do today's youth know how to jack a tank?

yes but do todays youth know how to jack a tank?

THey are lucky if they can change a flat tire.

Exactly

http://jrenseyblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/pigeons-and-obama-statue1.jpg

http://www.presidentsuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/president-suit-8-17-10-obama-statue1.jpg

HMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

Hagel said that Syria crossed Obama's red line. Wherever that is...

http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Lines-in-the-sand.jpg

Two years and what?

The most transparent administration EVER is at it again. Aside from the 600 page Friday document dump that's become an administration ritual, this time revealing Obamacare subsidies are going on the honor system (http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/07/06/not-qualified-for-obamacares-subsidies-just-lie-govt-to-use-honor-system-without-verifying-your-eligibility/), we now learn that they have a new tactic for hiding information from FOIA requests... the shell game.


Bin Laden raid files reportedly purged from Pentagon computers, sent to CIA

The nation's top special operations commander ordered military files about the Navy SEAL raid on Usama bin Laden's hideout to be purged from Defense Department computers and sent to the CIA, where they could be more easily shielded from ever being made public.

The secret move, described briefly in a draft report by the Pentagon's inspector general, set off no alarms within the Obama administration even though it appears to have sidestepped federal rules and perhaps also the Freedom of Information Act.

Of course there was no intent to shield the records, extensively leaked by the administration itsel, from public view and it protects the identities of SEAL team members. So does a magic marker.


But secretly moving the records allowed the Pentagon to tell The Associated Press that it couldn't find any documents inside the Defense Department that AP had requested more than two years ago, and could represent a new strategy for the U.S. government to shield even its most sensitive activities from public scrutiny.

"Welcome to the shell game in place of open government," said Thomas Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, a private research institute at George Washington University. "Guess which shell the records are under. If you guess the right shell, we might show them to you. It's ridiculous."

Read more: Bin Laden raid files reportedly purged from Pentagon computers, sent to CIA | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/08/bin-laden-raid-files-reportedly-purged-from-pentagon-computers-sent-to-cia/?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fn#ixzz2YTCnIxpb)


I guess we should just trust them, they've done nothing to earn our distrust have they?

Zero is pivoting back to the economy for the 976th time give or take a few, with a speech today that You're Going to Want to Watch (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/07/20/youre-going-want-watch-speech) but according to Obama (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/07/24/why-president-obamas-big-economic-speech-will-likely-change-very-little/), "not because I think the speech is going to change any minds" - which makes one wonder then what's the point?

I'm hoping he tells us how he rescued Detroit again...

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/ramirez-detroit.jpg

"we refused to let Detroit go bankrupt " (emperor "0" ... Oct. 13, 2012 )

Hey ,according to that genius Paul Krugman ,Detroit going down isn't no biggie... nothing there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/22/opinion/krugman-detroit-the-new-greece.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&_r=0

He blames it on "market forces " as if he's some Adam Smith devotee . Nahh ,it was gross indeed fiscal mismanagement and/or greedy public employees that killed Detroit .

But I gots some market forces news that could bring a Renaissance to the city . Detroit sits on or near the Antrim Shale gas deposit . Frack baby frack!

"we refused to let Detroit go bankrupt " (emperor "0" ...Oct. 13, 2012 )

The actual bankruptcy judge overruled the challenges and is allowing the bankruptcy to proceed (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130724/METRO01/307240058/Judge-overrules-challenges-Detroit-bankruptcy-filing-lets-case-proceed?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE). Let the weeping, gnashing of teeth and the threat to Obama's honor proceed.

The actual bankruptcy judge overruled the challenges and is allowing the bankruptcy to proceed (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130724/METRO01/307240058/Judge-overrules-challenges-Detroit-bankruptcy-filing-lets-case-proceed?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|FRONTPAGE). Let the weeping, gnashing of teeth and the threat to Obama's honor proceed.

Obama has "honor"? I didn't even think he had morals or a conscience...

Merely a reference to the judge last week that while blocking the proceedings, complained this bankruptcy business dishonored his highness after him previously having singlehandedly rescued the city.

Clearly Judge Rosemarie Aquilina was trying to garner favors with the emperor's regime.

What is it he said 1265 days to go, better get in quick it's about 500 days before he becomes a lame duck