Hello wingers:

The problem you have is you are either TOO liberal, or you're TOO conservative. Which direction are you going to go?

excon

Lets hope all you liberals loose your jobs when the businesses start cutting back or doing away with full time work and going with part time to avoid the Obamacare fiasco...

You wanted it you got it... I hope every one of you chokes on it...

Expect the unemployment numbers to go even higher... expect the cost of fuel and food to go even higher... expect your quality of life to go down... expect the country to start looking more like Kenya every day...

That's what you all wanted... 16 Trillion in debt thanks to Obama expect that number to continue to skyrocket...

Hello smoothy:

So, I'll put you down in the not conservative enough camp.

excon

smoothy's funny in his over-the-top hyperbole fanaticism. LOL

smoothy's funny in his over-the-top hyperbole fanaticism. LOL

As opposed to your over the top hyperbole left wing fanaticism? At least Mine is based in fact...

NOTHING has improved the last 4 years... and nothing will the next four either... Its been all down hill and the slope has just gotten even steeper...

THe belief and expectation you can get something for nothing if you expect a minority of the people to pay the bill has never worked... and never will work.

The lowest common denominator is determined to drag EVERYTHING down to their level... because anyone with brains and the ability will shift most of their assets where they can't be touched... and yes there are lots of ways to do it... then see how the leeches pay for their free ride then.

It's like free entertainment. :D

Hello again, smoothy:


NOTHING has improved the last 4 years...

If ANYTHING you said were true, I'd agree whole heartedly. Let's just take this graph. It's not really up to date, but even YOU can see the improvement..

Or maybe not...

Excon

That chart would only have relevance if Bush started his term in 2008.

that chart would only have relevance if Bush started his term in 2008.Can you explain?

Personally, I hope they hold Obama's feet to the fire but they won't and we'll be screwed. Now if the Senate can actually do something, like pass a budget...

Hello again, tom:

The relevance to ME, is that when Obama took office, the country was LOSING jobs on a massive scale. It shows further that Obama TURNED it around. I cannot imagine any other interpretation.

But, you guys have ANSWERED my question.. You're NOT conservative ENOUGH. But, here's a secret... There aren't enough of you white right wingers any more. You're toast. Now, you can huddle together in a corner and snivel about your country turning brown. And, you can make yourselves irrelevant like the Whigs...

excon

Cheap shot ,Why are you obsessed with race ?

Hello again, Steve:


Why are you obsessed with race ?It's NOT an obsession. It's an observation.. In fact, I believe it was campaign strategy. Now, I suppose, during the primary, Romney could have argued about a SHORTER fence, but he didn't. He COULD have been INCLUSIVE, but he would never have been nominated... You saw how governor good hair fared..

So, I think Romney CHOSE to throw brown people overboard, and HOPE white people would be enough to push him over the top.

Why do you think that the mere MENTION of race is playing some sort of race card? You don't think, do you, that campaigns NEVER consider RACE in their strategy??

Really??

Excon

Here's the thing ex, you guys can keep trying to paint us as things you know we're not, but I'm not going to abandon my principles and I have no plans to roll over and take it in the backside while my rights get destroyed.

I've said it twice now, the trend is already there and I promise my company will follow suit and either make us part time or drop health insurance. But this is what you want now, you want everyone to have equal health care even if it's worse health care. I will not be silent about that.

I refuse to watch our first amendment be destroyed without a fight so women can have birth control pills.

I refuse to watch energy costs "necessarily skyrocket" without a fight so environmentalists can soothe their conscience. I actually care that people are able to afford gas for their car, heat in the winter and AC in the summer.

You guys say you're for helping others but government policies just drag people down instead of lifting them up. My best friend feeds the homeless every Sunday night and has been for years but now he's being hounded because he doesn't have a "certified kitchen."

Likewise, the church in its various forms does that very thing for millions of hungry, homeless, orphaned, abused, sick and suffering people every day, but if the contraception mandate holds they'll be FORCED to discriminate on who they can help. The rest will be on YOUR shoulders. Got to stick to those damn regulations you know. Got to have birth control pills you know.

Let me ask you this, how does a birth control pill fill someone's stomach? You guys feign empathy for others while we've been in the trenches taking care of those you pretend to care for. Now you want to tie our hands?

I'm not going to snivel about our country turning brown or any such nonsense because you KNOW I live in a brown neighborhood. But I will snivel about liberals wanting government to do what they should be doing themselves while pretending to care.

Steve

It's NOT an obsession. It's an observation..

I'm not tom. If you were observant you'd see that is blacks who refused to vote for the white guy and not the other way around.

Hello again, Steve/tom:


If you were observant you'd see that is blacks who refused to vote for the white guy and not the other way around. Oh, I noticed, and I don't disagree.

But, if YOU were a black fellow, and you looked around at ALL the voter suppression efforts the Republicans perpetrated AGAINST you, would YOU vote for whitey?

Excon

I don't vote based on conspiracy theories or race so you take it from there.

Answer to you opening question.
The Repubics ran moderates in the last 2 cycles against a radical lefty ;and fell short both times. I think the Republics should go truer to their base .

Hello again, tom:

Yeah... More Mourdocks, Aikens, Angles, Palins, Ryans, and a few O'Donnels thrown in, to name a VERY few...

I HOPE you do go right.

excon

More Rubios, more Ryans, more Cruz's.

More Suzanna Martinez , more Scott Walker ,more Kelly Ayotte ,more Bobby Jindal .

Hello again, tom:

What's VERY funny here, is that you think trotting out a few women, a Hispanic or two, and an Indian guy, CONSTITUTES diversity...

What you DON'T get is that you have to EMBRACE the people. Talking about electrifying the fence isn't how you do that.

excon

Truth is I don't give a damn about their gender or ethnicity . You are the one obscessed with those issues. I mentioned them because their proven leadership and competence.

Yeah, right. Coming from the side of the aisle that tells the nation's first female combat pilot to get back in the kitchen. I LOVE how the left EMBRACES diversity:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GUhZQDJypWY/SaNDu760fuI/AAAAAAAAAHk/XDUTN5N6-LY/s400/Racist+Oliphant+cartoon+on+Rice.gif

http://dailybabenews.com/images/_iwf_denounces_racist_depictions_of_dr._condoleezz a_rice_in_popular_editorial_cartoons.jpg

I just see people, you guys are the only ones making it about race and gender and then you discredit and/or slander any conservative that isn't white. I think you ought to be ashamed for spreading divisiveness under the guise of diversity.

It wasn't divisive when all the minorities ran away from the GOP. It was self preservation. The white guy lost because he ignored everybody but the rich white guys. He didn't talk to them (minorities), or listen. Just like conservatives don't talk or listen to any one BUT YOURSELVES!

You got what you paid for. Now forget the supply side, trickle down stuff.

Admittedly the GOP has fumbled connecting with minorities, but you got to admit that's much harder to do when your side, with media complicity, has spent the last 6 years calling us racists for no reason other than to divide and play on their fears.

But you be sure and let us know how it's working for you when your "top down" approach leads to economic ruin. The rich you hate will still be rich you know... led by Mr. 1 percent himself.

It wasn't our side talking about the 47%, self deportation or nixing the dream act, you guys did that in public and on tape. You only have yourselves to blame. Take responsibility for your actions and do better... after a mourning period for your BS of course.

You called us racists in public, on tape in print, on Youtube, TV, in the news, on Twitter... and it was totally irresponsible and inexcusable.

I hear there is going to be some public and private blood letting over there. Personally I think it is time for generational change as well as some ideological change

You called us racists in public, on tape in print, on Youtube, TV, in the news, on Twitter... and it was totally irresponsible and inexcusable.

But true because they actually had videos of you guys disparaging all the OTHER people. I mean damn, hard to believe a guy who has said what they would do to you. So they ran!

You see how dumb you guys sound by saying it's the media and not yourselves.

41746

Who would want to live in DC anyway, one of the drawbacks of the job. Some previous Presidents escaped for long periods

Hello again,

It's ARITHMETIC, stupid...

The REASON the Dems won is because they can COUNT.. They could add up the Hispanics.. They could add up the woman.. They could add up everybody who DIDN'T hate Obama. When they totaled up their list, they had enough.

You'd think that a Republican, who was going to SAVE the economy, could count.. Turns out, he can't..

Wheeewee. We just dodged a bullet.

Now, I understand you wingers are going to make it even EASIER to win next time, because you're going to run somebody like John Kasich next time, and you'll get SMASHED again.

We talked several times about you guys shooting yourselves in the foot. Now, you're going to double down and use a shotgun to shoot yourselves. You should know your party is in trouble when somebody asks you how the rape guy did, and you have to ask, which one.

excon

We just dodged a bullet.

Yep, the Dow lost 313 points they were so happy Obama won. I can count.

Hello again,

Yes, I have more to say.. How do you spell mandate?? Here's how I do...

There were 10 SWING states that were up for grabs.. Obama ran the table on 9 of 'em. He's the first president since FDR to get 50% of the popular vote.

Do the Republicans think they won? They do, don't they? Silly Republicans..

excon

The miscalculation was 2 fold:
1. The Repubics underestimated the Dem turnout
2. The base of the Repubics were NOT enthusiastic about the Romney candidacy because he is a wishy-washy center-right .

Bush got 50.73% in 2004.
The other Bush got 53.37% in 1988
Reagan got 58.77% in 1984
Reagan got 50.75% in 1980
Even Carter got 50.08% in 1976
Nixon got 60.67% in 1972
LBJ got 61.05% in 1964
Ike got 57.37% in 1956
Ike got 55.18% in 1952

I can count (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_po pular_vote_margin). Not impressed by 50.4 by Mr. Hopenchange.

Yep, the Dow lost 313 points they were so happy Obama won. I can count.

The dow has many factors that determine whether it goes upor down but when its down then its people selling not buying. Rich guys make money and they needed money to recoup their losses from those super pacs against Obama!!

They lost BILLIONS!!

http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-11-07/markets/34960698_1_fiscal-cliff-coal-stocks-presidential-election


An analysis of the market’s reaction to all presidential elections since 1900 found the Dow’s day-after reaction to be an unreliable if not misleading indicator about the market’s direction for the next four years. Read: Interpreting the market’s day-after reaction.

There you go assuming Obama is making the sky fall again!

2. The base of the Repubics were NOT enthusiastic about the Romney candidacy because he is a wishy-washy center-right .So you'd want your candidate to be *further* right? That would be an interesting election cycle for sure.

The right continues to believe that this is a center right country. Its not. That assumption was why they lost!

I didn't assume anything, I reported.


Wall Street greeted a second Obama term the way it greeted the first. (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=8878145)

Investors dumped stocks Wednesday in the sharpest sell-off of the year. With the election only hours behind them, they focused on big problems ahead in Washington and across the Atlantic Ocean.

Frantic selling recalled the days after Obama's first victory, as the financial crisis raged and stocks spiraled downward.

Four years later, American voters returned a divided government to power and left investors fretting about a package of tax increases and government spending cuts that could stall the economic recovery unless Congress acts to stop it by Jan. 1.

In Europe, leaders warned that unemployment could remain high for years, and cut their forecasts for economic growth for this year and 2013. The head of the European Central Bank said not even powerhouse Germany is immune.

The Dow Jones industrial average plummeted as much as 369 points, or 2.8 percent, in the first two hours of trading. It recovered steadily in the afternoon, but slid into the close and ended down 313, its biggest point drop since this time last year.

"It does look ugly," said Robert Pavlik, chief market strategist at Banyan Partners LLC. He said it was hard to untangle the impact of Europe-related selling from nerves about the nation's fiscal uncertainty.

"It's a combination of all that, quite honestly," Pavlik said.

It was the worst day for stocks this year, but not the worst after an election. That distinction belongs to 2008, when Barack Obama was elected at the depths of the financial crisis. The Dow fell 486 points the next day.

This time, energy companies and bank stocks took some of the biggest losses. Both industries would have faced lighter, less costly regulation if Mitt Romney had won the election.

Stocks seen as benefiting from Obama's decisive re-election rose. They included hospitals, suddenly free of the threat that Romney would roll back Obama's health care law.

Obama was elected Nov. 4, 2008.

The Dow plunged more than 400 points on each of the next two trading days.

Looks like a pattern to me.

So you'd want your candidate to be *further* right? That would be an interesting election cycle for sure.

Yes indeed . The Dems lost in 2004 with a center -left candidate and their prescription was to go hard left. That has worked out for them.

Looks like it comes and goes:
Market's performance the day after Election Day - News - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/11/07/market-performance-the-day-after-election-day/srWd0U0flTfRjefuHEkEdI/story.html)



How the stock market has behaved the day after recent presidential elections:

— Nov. 5, 2008: Optimism about an Obama presidency, which had fueled a 305-point rally the day before, gives way to postelection nerves during the financial crisis. The Dow Jones industrial average falls 486 points, more than 5 percent, to 9,139.

— Nov. 3, 2004: Wall Street celebrates the re-election of George W. Bush with a solid rally. A concession by John Kerry ends fears that the election would be fought in the courts. The Dow climbs 101 to close at 10,137.05.

— Nov. 8, 2000: A choppy trading session amid extraordinary political uncertainty. The postelection fight heads for Florida, and the Dow falls 45 to 10,907.

— Nov. 6, 1996: Voters deliver two more years of divided government, re-electing President Bill Clinton and returning Republicans to control of Congress. With the economy humming, that’s fine with investors. The Dow jumps 96 to 6,177.

— Nov. 4, 1992: Investors, having bid the market higher for a month in anticipation of a Clinton victory over President George H.W. Bush, cash in. The Dow falls 29 to 3,223.

— Nov. 9, 1988: A Republican victory fails to rally the market, and investors focus on problems for the new administration, specifically the trade deficit and a budget gap. The Dow drops nine to 2,118.

— Nov. 7, 1984: It may morning again in America, but something less than bright sun shines on Wall Street. The Dow falls 10 points — the equivalent of about 115 points today — to 1,233.

Hello Steve:

What's missing in the analysis of previous years, is our looming cliff. Then we had Mitch McConnell saying that nothing's changed. He's going to CONTINUE to obstruct..

THEN the market crashed... I wonder if those events are connected??

excon

What part of the falling market means a rich guy profits is it you are not understanding?

Are you still going to play that silly class warfare game, Tal? You won, and your own rich guys will still get richer while dividing us even further.

Just had to post this...

http://www.hillarybost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/obamaDumb.jpg

Hello smoothy:

I'd print that out and stick in on your pick up.

excon

Hello smoothy:

I'd print that out and stick in on your pick up.

excon

I've actually been considering it... except my rear cab window is tinted real dark... I don't put decals or stuff on any of My Mercedes, yes I have several of those... as in more than two.

I don't put decals or stuff on any of My Mercedes, yes I have several of those... as in more than two.When you feel the need to try to impress people on the internet you know how far downhill you've gone.

When you feel the need to try to impress people on the internet you know how far downhill you've gone.

I personally don't give a damn what you think... if you think I feel some need to impress you or anyone else here... you are the one with the deeply rooted problem, not me.

I'm a car collector... I have more than those as well... its not been kept a secret from anyone.

I personally don't give a damn what you thinkYou obviously do - you posted about how many mercedes you have in an effort to try to impress us.

You obviously do - you posted about how many mercedes you have in an effort to try to impress us.

You are really full of yourself then... aren't you?

Not sure how you jump to that conclusion but carry on, you really amazing powerful rich guy.

Wow, Trump had a meltdown!

Donald Trump melts down over Obama victory - Your Community (http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/11/donald-trump-melts-down-over-obama-victory.html)

Trump's a moron. What's Michael Moore's excuse?

Not sure how you jump to that conclusion but carry on, you really amazing powerful rich guy.

Who claimed I was rich, I never made that claim in my life... I'm not... and Incidentally... since you thought admitting to three was bragging...

I own 8 antique roadworthy and licensed vehicles, 4 are motorcycles(three of those I keep in Italy). Three are Cars and one is a truck... then I have non antiques as well.

You might have to be rich to do that in Canada... but you don't have to be where I live in the USA. Being over 50 and NOT in my twenties means I pay less to insure everything than I did for one of car as a 20 something recent college grad in the early 80's.

I don't get it! I have survived Nixon, Reagan, and TWO Bushes, but you guys can't get through the Obama administration? You guys are wusses!!

So did I. None of them took over my healthcare, spent nearly that much money, or bowed to dictators.

This is more of what we have to look forward to...


LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) — A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.
(http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/11/07/vegas-employer-obama-won-so-i-fired-22-employees/#.UJu0TosvAPg.twitter)
“David” (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that “elections have consequences” and that “at the end of the day, I need to survive.”

“I’ve done my share of educating my employees. I never tell them which way to vote. I believe in the free system we have, I believe in the right to choose who they want to be president, but I did explain as a business owner that I have always put my employees first. I always made sure that when I went without a paycheck that [I] made sure they were paid. And I explained that I always put them first and unfortunately I’m at a point where I’m being forced to have to worry about me and my family now and a business that I built from just me to 114 employees.

“I explained to them a month ago that if Obama gets in office that the regulations for Obamacare are gonna hurt our business, and I’m gonna have to make provisions to make sure I have enough money to cover the payroll taxes, the additional health care I’m gonna have to do, and I explained that to them and I said you do what you feel like in your heart you need to do, but I’m just letting you know as a warning this is things I have to think of as a business owner.

“Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic — I’m not going to go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees — well unfortunately we know what happened and I can’t wait around anymore, I have to be proactive. I had to lay off 22 people today to make sure that my business is going to thrive and I’m going to be around for years to come. I have to build up that nest egg now for the taxes and regulations that are coming my way. Elections do have consequences, but so do choices. A choice you make every day has consequences and you know what, I’ve always put my employees first, but unfortunately today I have to put me and my family first, and you watch what’s going to happen. I’m just one guy with 114 employees — well was 114 employees — watch what happens in the next six months. The Dow alone lost 314 points today. There’s a tsunami coming and if you didn’t think this election had consequences, just wait.”

Sounds like his reelection was good for minorities, eh?

Apparently, that business owner is clueless regarding Obamacare and how it will affect business.

Yeah, whatever.

Yes, whatever.

Hello again, wingers:

Want MORE proof of your utter devastation at the polls? Allan West - Defeated... Alan Grayson - WINNER WINNER Chicken Dinner...

excon

Yes in that case we supported the African -American war hero , and the left supported the over-the-top nut job.

Hello again, tom:


and the left supported the over-the-top nut job.Yeah, but he's OUR nut job...

We left you with a few, though.. Michell Bachmann won.

Excon

Grayson is comic relief . Bachmann is a serious legislator .

Hello again, tom:


Bachmann is a serious legislator .Snicker, snicker... Sorry, I can't hold it in.. BWA, HA HA HA.

Excon

Bachmann is a serious legislator .
Oh. My. God.

Talk about losing any credibility.

Right, NK. Someone with principles is a joke but the joker (Grayson) is the one with credibility. Bwa ha ha!

Hello again,

Here's a tidbit from FOX Business.. Does the OTHER side of the network know what they're doing??

What do YOU think it means?

excon

I think you are trying to say something here, like educated people will vote to the left. With statistics like this Republicans should not send their kids to college, or more likely, their support base exists outside of cities. Rural people are usually conservative so nothing new there. What the Republicans have grasped is their support isn't among those 47%, Romney said it, so if you alienate 47% of the country you aren't left with much to work with. I expect that given that situation they did well to get as close as they did in the popular vote.

As I've siad for a long time those with lower than average intelligence have got to live somewhere, perhaps you have found them

I think you are trying to say something here, like educated people will vote to the left. With statistics like this Republicans should not send their kids to college, or more likely, their support base exists outside of cities. Rural people are usually conservative so nothing new there. What the Republicans have grasped is their support isn't among those 47%, Romney said it, so if you alienate 47% of the country you arn't left with much to work with. I expect that given that situation they did well to get as close as they did in the popular vote.

as I've siad for a long time those with lower than average intelligence have got to live somewhere, perhaps you have found them
Most of them flock to cities... they aren't smart enough to survive in the wilds of suburbia much less rural areas..

Not to mention being educated does not make you smarter... there are plenty of very dumb people walking around with College degrees that don't have much of a capacity to think through a situation...

Remembering facts to pass tests is one thing... it doesn't automatically mean you are smart enough to apply them in the real world. I've seen many people like that.

smoothy a bit of a trog attitude there. I think it very likely that, since a college education has become a product in the US, that many people buy the product and do little with it. You say education doesn't make you smarter, maybe, but it broadens your horizons and hopefully provides some skills.

You don't have to be smart to survive in rural areas, you have to be adaptive.

smoothy a bit of a trog attitude there. I think it very likely that, since a college education has become a product in the US, that many people buy the product and do little with it. You say education doesn't make you smarter, maybe, but it broadens your horizons and hopefully provides some skills.

You don't have to be smart to survive in rural areas, you have to be adaptive.
Stick your average College grad in the outback... he's going to die... stick the average dumb person in the outback he's going to die...

The simple act of going to college doesn't make you smart... you are born with that.

Educated does not always equal smart. Nor does lacking a college degree make someone dumber.

I have actually known people who could test well in College... in Engineering no less... that couldn't actually do the job well because while they were able to memorize a lot... then were horrible bad at being able to use it because remembering something , and understanding something aren't always the same thing.

These people were in my graduating class at College... They Graduated at the top of the class... and got NO offers by graduation while I got several. Yes I knew them well enough to know they really couldn't apply themselves like many of us could. And I was about at the top third point.

How ago was that? I doubt the world is still the same as when we were in college, and a lot has happened besides the current president since you had YOUR opportunity to apply what YOU memorized to the real world.

Yawn ;the same ole Liberal smear... 'conservatives are stupid ' .

How ago was that? I doubt the world is still the same as when we were in college, and a lot has happened besides the current president since you had YOUR opportunity to apply what YOU memorized to the real world.


Obama the Magic well you know what did not magically transform anything except our credit rating from good to almost junk. Jack up our Unemployment rates and ruin everything... The world has not changed that much in my lifetime either... and the basic reality of life remains what it always was... at least for those who actually live in the real world... who knows what goes in in the minds of those who exist in the fantasy world.

Obama isn't King Midas either... because everything he has touched has turned to Feces and not gold.

Hello again, tom:


yawn ;the same ole Liberal smear... 'conservatives are stupidLet me see if I can help...

I'm a PROPONENT of conservative principles. That includes smaller, smarter government, lower taxes and government OUT of my personal life...

If conservatives did THAT, they'd be on TOP of the world.

But, conservatives went for the okee doak - first from the religious right, and second from conservative entertainment media. Consequently, SOCIAL issues have taken the forefront. And, conservatives LOSE on social issues.

Those conservatives who adhere to the William F. Buckley school of Republicanism, are FAR from stupid. But, the ditto heads, the Hannity fans, the listeners of all the vile right wing radio in this country, are VERY STUPID. Not, only are they STUPID, they're RUINING the Republican party.

Excon

Where does it show that on that smear chart ?

Hello again, tom:

If you look carefully, it's the SOUTH that's STUPID.. You live in NY, don't you?

excon

where does it show that on that smear chartHow is it a "smear chart"? It's statistics not opinion.

Conservatives are far from stupid, they lack a basic understanding of others who are not conservatives and blame the death of their idea of traditional America on everyone else. They don't adapt, they holler! And get mad when NON conservatives holler back.

They cannot believe that many suffered and endured through their traditional idea of America as we move to a more perfect union. Conservatives don't want a more perfect union because traditional is good enough for them and they have no clue why its not good enough for everybody.

That's not a smear, just an observation of why you guys LOST, and will lose AGAIN, unless you get with the program that works for the rest of us too!

I don't care if we lose 100 elections . I will not submit to what you say works for everyone. Under your plan we will very soon have more people in the cart than pushing it. It cannot be sustained no matter how much personal wealth you confiscate.

I'm a PROPONENT of conservative principles. That includes smaller, smarter government, lower taxes and government OUT of my personal life...

If conservatives did THAT, they'd be on TOP of the world.

But, conservatives went for the okee doak - first from the religious right, and second from conservative entertainment media. Consequently, SOCIAL issues have taken the forefront. And, conservatives LOSE on social issues.

Those conservatives who adhere to the William F. Buckley school of Republicanism, are FAR from stupid. But, the ditto heads, the Hannity fans, the listeners of all the vile right wing radio in this country, are VERY STUPID. Not, only are they STUPID, they're RUINING the Republican party.


I can see we're on track for uniting the country again. OK, so I can say I'm stupid for keeping my job instead of going on the government dole. That pretty much sums up the left's idea of progress, responsible government and most of all fairness. After all, people that work hard, make money, take care of themselves and be successful are obviously what's wrong with America according to Obama's campaign. Dennis Miller is right, why should I work when I can score nearly as much from the government?

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Hello again, Steve:

You've just pointed out some STUPIDITY... I KNOW you believe that we're about "free stuff", as O'Reilly put it. But, that conversation is only going on INSIDE the right wing bubble. You know the bubble I'm talking about... It's the bubble that CONVINCED itself that Romney can't lose, that the polls were rigged, and that Obama is a communist...

You've BEEN lied to. It's a figment of Rush Limprod's imagination, and you bought it. Some day you'll wake up, hopefully.

excon

I don't care if we lose 100 elections . I will not submit to what you say works for everyone. Under your plan we will very soon have more people in the cart than pushing it. It cannot be sustained no matter how much personal wealth you confiscate.

We haven't tried anything that works for everybody, just the stuff that works for "succesful people" and their business cycle.

Your cart has no motor, and isn't big enough for EVERYBODY, just those YOU deem worthy, tough luck for the rest of us. You holler about a 4% increase in tax rates on 3% of the population, where they were when Clinton and congress balanced the budget and CREATED 20 million jobs. Yet you guys refused to go back to what worked for EVERYBODY.

Wonder why that is?

I see Greece in our future.

I can see we're on track for uniting the country again. OK, so I can say I'm stupid for keeping my job instead of going on the government dole. That pretty much sums up the left's idea of progress, responsible government and most of all fairness. After all, people that work hard, make money, take care of themselves and be successful are obviously what's wrong with America according to Obama's campaign. Dennis Miller is right, why should I work when I can score nearly as much from the government?

The country will be united if YOU guys help unite it and stop thinking those on the public dole are having FUN at your expense. That's a dumb way of looking at those who are not a successful as you are.

I see Greece in our future.

I don't, I see more work to do to live up to the notion of in order to build a more perfect union without screwing everyone along the way!

You know that equality stuff you guys DON'T believe in. We do agree on one thing though, I don't care how many elections you guys lose either. I seem to win when YOU lose, and I hate that it works that way, but better than losing when YOU guys win I suppose.

But look at the bright side, no matter who the president is we both are here to vote in the next election, RIGHT?

ou holler about a 4% increase in tax rates on 3% of the population, where they were when Clinton and congress balanced the budget and CREATED 20 million jobs. Yet you guys refused to go back to what worked for EVERYBODY.


Here's your 'tax the rich 'bs


Dear Colleagues:

We would like to make you aware of a significant federally mandated change which will impact Yale's healthcare flexible spending account benefit. Effective January 1, 2013, as a provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the annual contribution limit will be capped at $2,500. Currently, the maximum amount of pre-tax dollars you can set aside in a healthcare flexible spending account is $12,000.

As a participant who contributed $2,500 or more in 2012, we encourage you to keep this in mind as you begin to plan for your 2013 out-of-pocket medical, dental and vision expenses. You will soon have an opportunity to re-enroll in the flexible spending account benefit plan during Annual Benefits Enrollment (December 3-17). As a reminder, you have until March 15, 2013 to incur expenses against your 2012 contributions, and until April 30, 2013 to submit claims those for reimbursement. We hope that this grace period is helpful for maximizing your flexible spending benefit for 2012.

The Treasury just added $24 billion in debt, or enough to fund Greece for over one year, sending the total debt load (now at 103% GDP) ever closer to the debt ceiling of $16.4 trillion.

Boeing, just announced layoffs cutting 30% of management jobs... one of many we will see in the coming days ;layoffs that were deferred until they saw the results of the election.

No sympathy from me on rich guy tax shelters, or right wing BLOGS. I would think that you favor businesses running lean and mean, at saving to tax payers.

Especially defense companies making tanks and planes we don't need.

The layoffs are starting.. and not just from big businesses but lots of small ones too... this is what the left wanted after all... I hope MOST of the people that are soon to be laid off are Democrats.

this is what the left wanted after allWhy does the left want this so badly?

Why does the left want this so badly?

It's the result of Obamacare and what it imposes on employers... Its its ALL on The Democrats because not ONE republican voted for it before it was rammed down out throats without having a proper vote.

Employers aren't in business to lose money... so they are cutting back and in some cases going out of business...

Just wait for the waves of Doctors closing practices... thats coming next. And yes... many doctors I have talked with said that's exactly what they would do... because if will force them to provide services at far less than it costs just to keep the lights on and they can't afford to be working for less than their expenses are much less expenses plus their wages.

You didn't answer the question: what is the benefit to the left to have massive layoffs?

Yesterday when I posted that a guy in Las Vegas laid off 22 people because of Obama's reelection, the response was to attack the guy as clueless. Clueless is voting for the guy who intends to eliminate your industry...


A Utah coal company owned by a vocal critic of President Barack Obama has laid off 102 miners (http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=22890041&nid=148&title=utah-company-blames-president-obama-for-102-workers-laid-off&s_cid=featured-4).

The layoffs at the West Ridge Mine are effective immediately, according to UtahAmerican Energy Inc. a subsidiary of Murray Energy Corp. They were announced in a short statement made public Thursday, two days after Obama won re-election.

The layoffs are necessary because of the president's "war on coal," the statement said. The slogan is one used frequently during the election by Murray Energy CEO Robert Murray, who was an ardent supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

In its statement, UtahAmerican Energy blames the Obama administration for instituting policies that will close down "204 American coal-fired power plants by 2014" and for drastically reducing the market for coal.

"There is nowhere to sell our coal, and when we can, the market prices are far lower," the statement said. "Without markets, there can be no coal mines and no coal jobs."

But that's OK, I'm sure they'll all get jobs building solar panels.

Nice spin but it's just the market at work:

Coal demand from U.S. power generation companies is down 17 percent this year, according to the federal Energy Information Administration's most recent figures. That's due in large part to low market prices for natural gas, and has the EIA forecasting the lowest coal consumption in at least two decades by the nation's electricity industry.

Trends in power generation have also put coal-fired plants at a higher risk for retirement. In its annual Energy Outlook, the EIA reports that 49 gigawatts of coal-fired capacity will be retired in the next eight years. That represents about one-sixth of the existing coal capacity in the nation and less than 5 percent of total electricity generation in the U.S.

As expected, not a drop of empathy for two rounds of layoffs accompanied by more cover for Obama.

If you read the comments from people in the area they mentioned that his lapses in safety measures caused employee deaths recently, also there has been a trend to lay off headcount in the winter and re-hire then in the spring.

Hey, a neo-con talking about empathy... that's funny.

Again, just attack.


Hey, a neo-con talking about empathy... that's funny

a) I'm not a neo-con and b) I'm the only one that's been talking about personally sacrificing (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/direction-will-right-wing-go-714823-2.html#post3317592)to help others (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/search.php?searchid=19383325) so don't point you snide crap in this direction. You can join me in sacrificing for others or you can shut the hell up about it in my opinion.

I volunteer my a$$ off but I don't brag about it. I didn't get the point in your link since it was all over the map.

And yea, you're textbook neo-con: Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism)

There is no bragging in there, you just can't help but make all your BS personal. Grow up.

Like when you said "not a drop of empathy"?
Such thin skin... Toughen up!

It's not thin skin, dude, you're just annoying.

Grow a pair. This isn't elementary school.

I'm not the one acting childish.

Grow up the pair of you

What do you have against a growing natural gas industry, and more jobs that don't call for black lung, or living underground for most of your life?

I'm all for natural gas. I'm not the whose panties are in a wad over fracking.

I'm all for natural gas. I'm not the whose panties are in a wad over fracking.
We don't keep the oil produced by fracking, right? It goes on the world market.

It can be done a lot safer, but the process and technology is new relatively, so I expect a learning curve, AND a FEW mistake. No need to be greedy and careless.

You wouldn't believe the job growth

Natural gas boom projected to fuel job growth - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/business/article/Natural-gas-boom-projected-to-fuel-job-growth-2347054.php)

We don't keep the oil produced by fracking, right? It goes on the world market.

How do you produce oil by fracking? Fracking is a method of extracting gas from coal

How do you produce oil by fracking? fracking is a method of extracting gas from coal

Technically is call hydraulic Fracturing... Fracking is a nickname of it.

They have means of fracturing (no I am not that familiar with the process) the rock to allow more exit paths than just the natural existing fractures allowing more of the oil (or natural gas) to be extracted.

The problem with it is that it's often below a drinking water table and, if done incorrectly, can spoil that drinking water supply.

I just think it's funny that since Obama's reelection you've discovered natural has a great future. Meanwhile, no job doesn't put food in the laid off coal workers children's belly.

Oh but wait, you'll just put that burden on our kids instead of letting people who want to work now take care of their own family. But who cares if children starve as long as your conscience is soothed?

I just think it's funny that since Obama's reelection you've discovered natural has a great future. Meanwhile, no job doesn't put food in the laid off coal workers children's belly.

Oh but wait, you'll just put that burden on our kids instead of letting people who want to work now take care of their own family. But who cares if children starve as long as your conscience is soothed?

I think it is a great failure of your society that you haven't heard of retraining. When an industry goes, it goes. The workers have to be given an alternative, a pratical alternative, employment in their region

How do you produce oil by fracking? fracking is a method of extracting gas from coal

No it is not coal gassification . That is a different process. This is extraction gas and oil from areas that were not accessible in the past by fracturing the shale layer above the reserve.

I think it is a great failure of your society that you haven't heard of retraining. When an industry goes, it goes. The workers have to be given an alternative, a pratical alternative, employment in their region

And I think it's a great failing of your society that you haven't learned any manners toward your allies.

Everyone is talking about gas, what sort of gas is that, hot air?

Your contempt for the U.S. seems almost pathological.

Hello again,

Looks to me like the right wing is skitzo... You got Jindal talking about NOT protecting the rich boys and their toys. You got Bill Kristol saying tax the rich...

Then you got Laura Ingraham saying that the way to beat the Democrats is NOT become Democrats... It's to be even MORE CONSERVATIVE...

I'll betcha you guys are more Laura types, huh?

excon

Yup . There are some Repubics in a panic. News to them you can't out Democrat Democrats... so why try ?

And I think it's a great failing of your society that you haven't learned any manners toward your allies.

Manners toward our allies, what is that about? We understood manners towards our allies way back, we saw how McArthur operated in WWII. We have seen your manners many times. I saw some of it the other day when Evita referred to our Foreign Minister and Defence Minister in their official capacity not by their titles but by their names and not even a Mr in sight. Our society is a classless society and so every tall poppy much be brought to reality..

From an outsiders point of view, much of what you do is strange, even quaint.You preach free trade but are highly protective. You espouse high ideals in government and yet your government is corrupt, you seem to take form over substance every time. It is extremely difficult to discern exactly who is running that place.

we saw how McArthur operated in WWII
Got to admit ;that's a good point. He was an A$$ Hole .

Ah, so to be friends we need to be a$$holes toward each other? That explains a lot.

We can see which direction the left is going to go this year... same old, same old...

The Democratic senate that hasn't passed a budget in 3 years has no plans to pass one this time around (http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2513547#.UKUng2f1bf2).

Wasn't that what Obama ran against, more of the same?

raising taxes is a higher priority for her than passing what would be the first budget in four years
Patty Murray must've been sampling that legal weed .

The truth is that the President has no intention to do budget balancing with the extra $1.6 trillion he wants to confiscate. He just wants to give constituents more candy.

The truth is that the President has no intention to do budget balancing with the extra $1.6 trillion he wants to confiscate. He just wants to give constituents more candy.
You know this how?

Well for one thing ;his annual budget already exceeds the $1.6 trillion his tax increases would generate in a decade . And we know he already plans to add $500 billion in new spending proposals .

Ah, so to be friends we need to be a$$holes toward each other? That explains a lot.

What you don't understand speech is it is a local traint to take the mickey out of your friends. We don't run around patting people on the back, or as we say ,pissing in their pocket, we will tell you when you are going the wrong way.

You think we don't like you, well it is because of your foreign policy, and of course, your multinational corporations, who are like leeches.

what you don't understand speech is it is a local traint to take the mickey out of your friends. we don't run around patting people on the back, or as we say ,pissing in their pocket,, we will tell you when you are going the wrong way.

You think we don't like you, well it is because of your foriegn policy, and of course, your multinational corporations, who are like leeches.

You hate McDonald's but you support over 780 locations. You hate our foreign policy but you're taking Hillary on a nice little wine tasting. You hate our products but are more than happy to ship us your crappy wine. You want us, you need us, you love us, admit it next time you feel like meddling. And have a Big Mac.

You hate McDonald's but you support over 780 locations. You hate our foreign policy but you're taking Hillary on a nice little wine tasting. You hate our products but are more than happy to ship us your crappy wine. You want us, you need us, you love us, admit it next time you feel like meddling. And have a Big Mac.

Mc Donalds sells crap, if you eat like that no wonder you are screwed up, as I said your multinationals are like leeches. We can be pleasant to visitors and our wines are world class, so if you don't like them it is a matter of taste. I think Hilary might have been amazed we had a military manufacturing industry.We understand markets just as you do, we would like to see less of you in ours, just as we would like to see less of you in our part of the world. Any threats that exist here are those you have manufactured and exploited for your own gain. You wanted a free trade agreement with us don't complain if it means our products wind up on your shelves

Mc Donalds sells crap, if you eat like that no wonder you are screwed up, as I said your multinationals are like leeches. We can be pleasant to visitors and our wines are world class, so if you don't like them it is a matter of taste. I think Hilary might have been amazed we had a military manufacturing industry.We understand markets just as you do, we would like to see less of you in ours, just as we would like to see less of you in our part of the world. Any threats that exist here are those you have manufactured and exploited for your own gain. You wanted a free trade agreement with us don't complain if it means our products wind up on your shelves

That almost sounds both a bit paranoid and xenophobic... Of course with your proximity to China... maybe you would prefer them instead of us... but they won't be as nice... plus we have no desire to take over... China on the other hand is slowly trying to do just that in that part of the world.

Lots of chinese goods on our shelves, we don't discriminate, we even buy from you. I don't have problems with the chinese, they generally stay at home, they are industrious and we don't hear them telling us how to do things

Lots of chinese goods on our shelves, we don't discriminate, we even buy from you. I don't have problems with the chinese, they generally stay at home, they are industrious and we don't hear them telling us how to do things
That your NEWS reports on that is... I've seen so many cases where stories were fabricated or distorted over the years In the US, in Europe and the UK... I consider most journalists about as trustworthy as a used car salesman.

just as we would like to see less of you in our part of the world.

I think you and a few outliers are alone in that opionion. Your government was more than happy to forward base us... and of course neighbors a little closer to the dragon's intimidations are begging us to set up shop.

Get used to it.The Obots plan is to pivot east.

Mc Donalds sells crap, if you eat like that no wonder you are screwed up

Naturally, the part where Australia supports nealy 800 McDonald's went right over your head.

Tom don't be niaive, our government doesn't know its arse from its apex. If they can park you in some remote spot, what do they care. It's development they don't have to fund. If Japan wants you, go to Japan, but I've heard you have worn out your welcome on Okinawa. If Korea wants you, go to Korea. What you don't get is your lifestyle and your culture isn't acceptable in some parts of the world. Go to Pakistan, they would like more of your culture. I think the East has had just about enough of you, concentrate on your own problems, we will let you know when there is one in this part of the world you can help with. How are the people of Haiti by the way, how many have you lifted out of poverty?

Vegimite didn't go over too well outside of Australia...

Naturally, the part where Australia supports nealy 800 McDonald's went right over your head.

Those stores as you call them come at the cost of many local small businesses but the availability of a car park and a tiolet make a difference. You want to know what part of Australia might be customers of McDonalds, those in a hurry and those who have no palate for something better. The last time I ate in a McDonalds it was to try something new on their menu and it convinced me not to go back again, it was absolute crap

Those stores as you call them come at the cost of many local small businesses but the availability of a car park and a tiolet make a difference. You want to know what part of Australia might be customers of McDonalds, those in a hurry and those who have no palate for something better. The last time I ate in a McDonalds it was to try something new on their menu and it convinced me not to go back again, it was absolute crap

And you still miss the point.

Obviously the left intends to stay the course that's gotten us nowhere for the last 4 years, raise taxes and regulate, regulate, regulate. Dingy Harry Reid even said yesterday that regulations have nothing to do with killing jobs.

Oh yeah? (http://reason.com/archives/2012/11/10/the-ugliness-of-unmaking-sausages)


Earlier this week I was disheartened to learn about the imminent closure of Il Mondo Vecchio, an acclaimed Denver, Colorado-area salumeria that has been producing a wide variety of artisanal cured meats—including Italian-style dry sausages and whole muscle salumi—since 2009.

Il Mondo Vecchio’s owner, Mark DeNittis—who’s followed the group I lead, Keep Food Legal, for some time on Twitter—reached out to me about his company’s plight after I tweeted about the pending closure of a Scottish bangery. (I don't know if that's what a Scottish sausage plant is called, but there's no doubt that's what it should be called.)

In the case of the Scottish sausage plant, Freshlink Foods, EU bureaucrats decided that the 30-year-old producer would have to comply with new EU cold-storage regulations.

One plant worker speaking to the British website Food Manufacture—presumably one of the 144 workers who will lose their jobs over the new regulation—characterized the costly new requirement as akin to mandating “a Rolls Royce engine in a Ford Escort.”

Il Mondo Vecchio's problem is a similar one—regulations run amok—according to a release prepared by DeNittis and his co-owner, Gennaro DeSantis, last week.

"In August, the USDA imposed additional requirements on Il Mondo Vecchio’s production methods. After two months of sharing information and collaboration back and forth between Il Mondo Vecchio and the USDA as well as various attempts to modify the production methods," the owners announced, "Il Mondo Vecchio has determined that the impact of the regulatory requirements on dry cured sausage products was detrimental to the quality of the product and therefore, Mark and Gennaro are forced to close the[ir] doors."

This conflict between modern regulations and traditional methods is something DeNittis thought for a time he could navigate.

"We adhere to Old World techniques of natural process while following New World regulations,” Il Mondo Vecchio’s website states.

When it comes to Old World methods, I think it would be hard to find a better example of a traditional, conscientious, sustainable, and local producer than Il Mondo Vecchio.

And then we have a Denny's franchisee in Florida that will be adding an Obamacare surcharge and making most of its workers part time, Papa Johns, Jimmy Johns and others already plan on reducing employee hours likewise. It's just beginning...

They won't blame their faulty policies. They will blame greed .

they won't blame their faulty policies. they will blame greed .

Yep.

If more businesses would just stop trying to make a profit we could turn this country around.

So regulations that protect consumers, and tax payers is a bad thing because it hurts profits? So BP was a victim of the government regulations?

Now Denny's doesn't want to give it employees insurance and that a good thing? I think it petty pandering by lazy business owner who refuse to explore better options.

You guy just don't quit!! Its your business model that's broken, NOT the regulations. But you can't tell that to those that worship MONEY!!

NOT the regulations. But you can't tell that to those that worship MONEY!!!!

LOL, right on cue.

P.S. Tal, you can't have jobs if businesses don't make money. Ask Hostess Brands.

You can't have a business without customers can you? They both have to be present to make a profit.

Supply AND demand, not just supply!

In the halls of the White House Michelle is doing a Snoopy dance because Hostess is going down .

in the halls of the White House Michelle is doing a Snoopy dance because Hostess is going down .
My dear friend's uncle was the one who invented Twinkies --- James Dewar. Hostess will survive. Twinkies will survive.

You can't have a business without customers can you? They both have to be present to make a profit.

Supply AND demand, not just supply!!

All those exclamation points won't change the fact that you hate when others make a profit.

All those exclamation points won't change the fact that you hate when others make a profit.

Not really, as long a they pay taxes like I do! They don't!

And the liberal bleat goes on (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121116/us-libya-attack-rice/)...


A dozen female members of the House staunchly defended U.N. ambassador Susan Rice against Republican criticism over her remarks on the deadly Sept. 11 Libya attack, suggesting the GOP lawmakers' comments were racist and sexist.

"It is a shame that anytime something goes wrong, they pick on women and minorities," Rep. Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio, the next chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, told reporters Friday at a Capitol Hill news conference.

Republican Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham earlier this week called Rice untrustworthy and unqualified to be the nation's top diplomat if President Barack Obama chooses her to succeed Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. The two vowed to block any Senate confirmation if she is nominated.

The House women, a majority of them Africa-American, lashed out at McCain and Graham and demanded that they retract their criticism.

"To batter this woman because they don't feel they have the ability to batter President Obama is something we the women are not going to stand by and watch," said Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Wis. "Their feckless and reckless speculation is unworthy of their offices as senators."

Blah, blah, blah RACIST! Blah, blah, blah SEXIST!

If you ask me that's all the more reason for Republicans to scrutinize Rice... and by the way ladies, one of those racist, sexist men is a lady, Sen. Kelly Ayotte.

When you guys stop crying, maybe we will too. Need a hug?

So, four dead Americans and an administration coverup means nothing to to you either.

So, four dead Americans and an administration coverup means nothing to to you either.hey listen just because those deaths mean nothing to you has no bearing on the rest of us who mourn them.

hey listen just because those deaths mean nothing to you has no bearing on the rest of us who mourn them.

You're pathetic.

No, you're coldness to those deaths are as cold as a person can get.

So, four dead Americans and an administration coverup means nothing to to you either.

Means a lot, but I don't believe YOUR version of events, plain and simple.

How are the people of Haiti by the way, how many have you lifted out of poverty?

That's the problem with counting on government . For my part ;one of my favorite charities to donate to is 'Habitat for Humanity ' . They are on the ground making a real difference . Not like Clintoon and his posturing .

Haiti isn't part of the USA or one of its terrirories, they are responsible for their own personal hell thanks to institutionalized corruption... They speak French... that makes it Frances problem.

Besides... if they are so poor why do they keep breeeding so fast.

They speak French... that makes it Frances problem.Haha, thanks for the laugh, I love your stuff.

Means a lot, but I don't believe YOUR version of events, plain and simple.

I don't have a version of events, that's why we need to investigate. I Just know the admin is lying to the American people.

Haiti isn't part of the USA or one of its terrirories, they are responsible for their own personal hell thanks to institutionalized corruption....They speak French...that makes it Frances problem.

Besides...if they are so poor why do they keep breeeding so fast.

Population control is the luxuzy of the rich, the point I was making was help the people in your own region before interferring elsewhere

population control is the luxuzy of the rich, the point I was making was help the people in your own region before interferring elsewhere

Haiti is the same as anythig to do with Africa... anything you do is a monumental waste of time and money and it only makes a handful of people much richer there..

Haiti is the same as anythig to do with Africa.....anything you do is a monumental waste of time and money and it only makes a handful of people much richer there..
My younger son was in Haiti a year ago for a church mission project to help rebuild a church and school. His stories and photos about the living conditions, animals freely roaming the streets, the dirt and poverty, the lack of ambition to clean up all the debris... mind-boggling.

Haiti is the same as anythig to do with Africa.....anything you do is a monumental waste of time and money and it only makes a handful of people much richer there..

It is amazing you think people who are depressed and without resources can help themselves. They need to be freed from poverty by restoration of their inferstructure and economy. The rich will get rich no matter what you do, that's no excuse not to help at the most basic level.

Do you think we stood back and applied the same attitude when the tsumani hit Indonesia. I'm sure we were aware there would be profiteers and momumental stuffups but we spent a billion dollars and we didn't have a government that couldn't get it together and we didn't say it was someoneelse's problem because they don't speak english

It is amazing you think people who are depressed and without resources can help themselves. They need to be freed from poverty by restoration of their inferstructure and economy. The rich will get rich no matter what you do, that's no excuse not to help at the most basic level.

do you think we stood back and applied the same attitude when the tsumani hit Indonesia. i'm sure we were aware there would be profiteers and momumental stuffups but we spent a billion dollars and we didn't have a government that couldn't get it together

Restoration of WHAT infrastructure and WHAT economy? THat place has been a disaster since it was a French Colony and its only got worse afterwards...

BILLIONS have been wasted there... Corruption is part of their culture... its like its part of their DNA... it always ends the same way... nothing ever changes... they actually LIKE it to be that way.

the lack of ambition to clean up all the debris.... mind-boggling.
That says a lot doesn't it.People on Staten Island and around this region are not waiting for someone else to do it for them. Within hours debris in most homes people could get to was cleaned out and left in a pile by the curb. When sanitation trucks come ;the people are helping them load the trucks.

You don't get, I know you don't. People with money and resources have a different attitude, and they even have insurance, they know they have to get things together to get back to normality. Haiti was hit by a earthquake which kicked a nation in the guts that was already on its knees. So what does normality look for them? These people didn't have anything to begin with so where do you start? You do what they did and set up temporary shelters. What they don't need is a neighbour standing back and saying well hard luck, call us when you get back on your feet

I call your BS . We have pumped tremendous resources into the country as a nation both publicly and privately. A nation needs real leaders at the top... that is what they have always lacked . Doesn't do them any good that their leaders line their pocket with the aid .

You don't get, I know you don't. People with money and resources have a different attitude, and they even have insurance, they know they have to get things together to get back to normality. Haiti was hit by a earthquake which kicked a nation in the guts that was already on its knees. So what does normality look for them? These people didn't have anything to begin with so where do you start? you do what they did and set up temporary shelters. What they don't need is a neighbour standing back and saying well hard luck, call us when you get back on your feet
I'm sure they would he happy to take your money. Lets see if you can actually get any different results...

You know there is an old saying... don't bite the hand that feeds you. This is one of those places that gets exactly what it deserves... they keep putting the most corrupt people possible into office. But then the entire place is either positively lazy or positively corrupt. There isn't much middle ground.

I'm sure they would he happy to take your money. Lets see if you can actually get any different results .............

You know there is an old saying......don't bite the hand that feeds you. This is one of those places that gets exactly what it deserves....they keep putting the most corrupt people possible into office. But then the entire place is either positively lazy or positively corrupt. There isn't much middle ground.

Not unlike your own country it takes corruption to get into office and hold it. In such a place if you don't have money you don't go anywhere and you don't get anything done, what you see as lazy is simply lack of means, I know they could put up mud huts but the rain would wash them away, concrete costs money. In such circumstances would you settle for a tent, I'll bet you would. Can you grow a crop without seed, can you take your crop to market without transport. You surely need a dose of reality. How long did it take your own slaves to find a place in society, it had to be done at the point of a gun. How does a nation of slaves lift itself out of poverty. I know what it is like to start with nothing even in a country where opportunity exists, what do you think it is like where there is no opportunity?

Not unlike your own country it takes corruption to get into office and hold it. In such a place if you don't have money you don't go anywhere and you don't get anything done, what you see as lazy is simply lack of means, I know they could put up mud huts but the rain would wash them away, concrete costs money. In such circumstances would you settle for a tent, i'll bet you would. Can you grow a crop without seed, can you take your crop to market without transport. You surely need a dose of reality. How long did it take your own slaves to find a place in society, it had to be done at the point of a gun. How does a nation of slaves lift itself out of poverty. i know what it is like to start out with nothing even in a country where opportunity exists, what do you think it is like where there is no opportunity?
You obviously don't get accurate information from your news sources pertaining to Haiti...

This is what needs done there... being nice to them and throwing money at them never works... maybe we can try this.

It's the New Haiti relief slogan

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/317272_478171608882412_867650224_n.jpg

What amazed my son when he was there last year was that no one lifted a finger to clean anything. There would be a heap of debris in the street and everyone just drove around it. He could see people sitting slumped on blocks of concrete that used to be part of a building. Not that they are lazy, but they are totally leaderless and lacking in incentive. "Why bother? What will it get me?" After Sandy, people were shell-shocked but already searching for belongings and moving debris and groups came in to clear roads, etc.

Haiti isn't part of the USA or one of its terrirories, they are responsible for their own personal hell thanks to institutionalized corruption....They speak French...that makes it Frances problem.



Does this make the people of Louisiana who speak French, a problem for France?




Besides...if they are so poor why do they keep breeeding so fast.



What does this mean?

Does this make the people of Louisiana who speak French, a problem for France?




What does this mean?

There aren't many of them... and what few there are live in Alligator infested swamps.

What does it mean?. if you can't feed the kids you have now... stop having kids.

Something to remember...

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And Another...
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THis explains what is Wrong with Haiti and 99% of the third world... and its NOT a new concept.

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There aren't many of them...and what few there are live in Alligator infested swamps.



Yes it is a minority language, but apparently French is also a minority language in Haiti



What does it mean?...if you can't feed the kids you have now...stop having kids.


Perhaps you can come up with some posters to that effect as well.

Yes it is a minority language, but apparently French is also a minority language in Haiti



Perhaps you can come up with some posters to that effect as well.

How much of your vast wealth have you sent to the Haitian money pit? And what is it with Liberals that think just because someone is dark skinned they are MORE entitled to aid than someone light skinned.

More people in Haiti speak french as a primary language than do in the entire USA.

How much of your vast wealth have you sent to the Haitian money pit? And what is it with Liberals that think just because someone is dark skinned they are MORE entitled to aid than someone light skinned.


If you can show me the relevance of your first question to the discussion then I will give you an answer.

Secondly, I am not a Liberal.





More people in Haiti speak french as a primary language than do in the entire USA.

I assume by the above sentence you are saying two things

(a) French is the dominant language of Haiti

(b) French is a minority language in the U.S.A.

I agree with (b), but disagree with (a). A Google search reveals that only 10 to 20 percent of the population speak French. The dominant language is Creole. Apparently Creole is a combination of a number of languages including French.


Tut

How much of your vast wealth have you sent to the Haitian money pit? And what is it with Liberals that think just because someone is dark skinned they are MORE entitled to aid than someone light skinned.

More people in Haiti speak french as a primary language than do in the entire USA.

What does what language they speak have to do with it or the colour of their skin, they are your neighbours, thus your responsibility and our government contributed $10M in aid

I don't know.. when the tsunami hit the Indian ocean I contributed . When the tsunami hit Japan I contributed. When the earthquake hit Haiti I contributed.. and I regularly contribute to 'Habitat for Humanity ' and other groups like 'Red Cross' ,'Salvation Army','Save the Children ' . American private donations to Haiti were more that $ 650 million last time I checked and the American government has done plenty too.
Here is the USAID website:
USAID/HAITI : Issues : Earthquake (http://haiti.usaid.gov/issues/earthquake.php)

The issue is not money going into the country .It is in fact poor governance that keeps the Haitians in abject poverty . Look ;if they had a government that didn't have it's corrupt head up it's a$$ ;American corporations would flock there ,create jobs by the thousands... Geeze ;it's in a region that is one of the most desirable locations on the planet to vacation . A mental midget could make the country prosper .

I don't know .. when the tsunami hit the Indian ocean I contributed . When the tsunami hit Japan I contributed. When the earthquake hit Haiti I contributed ..and I regularily contibute to 'Habitat for Humanity ' and other groups like 'Red Cross' ,'Salvation Army','Save the Children ' . American private donations to Haiti were more that $ 650 million last time I checked and the American government has done plenty too.
Here is the USAID website:
USAID/HAITI : Issues : Earthquake (http://haiti.usaid.gov/issues/earthquake.php)

The issue is not money going into the country .It is in fact poor governance that keeps the Haitians in abject poverty . Look ;if they had a government that didn't have it's corrupt head up it's a$$ ;American corporations would flock there ,create jobs by the thousands ... Geeze ;it's in a region that is one of the most desirable locations on the planet to vacation . A mental midget could make the country prosper .

Well Tom why don't you send some of your mental midgets over there, you must have plenty to spare in the aftermath of the GFC, you see you exported your industries to China, just as well you did because if you had exported them to Haiti you would have lost them in the Earthquake. You have a strange idea that you have to rid a country of corruption before you can deal with it, why? You haven't rid your own country of corruption. The way you do business would fit right in. If you cause the people to prosper they will eventually deal with the corruption among their own people. Isn't it better to lift your near neighbours out of poverty than to lift communists out of poverty

I'm pleased you gave so much to help those people, has the Congress released the funds yet or is this aid on the never, never plan?

A mental midget could make the country prosper .
If only I were younger...

What does that have to do with anything

Clete ,it's obvious . The Dominican Republic shares the same island and isn't close to the abject poverty of Haiti. And as much as you mock Smoothy ;Haiti's historic relations with France has a lot to do with it's situation today.
And I am aware that deals with dictator devils can be made. The difference on the Island of Hispaniola is that Duvalier sold out his people whereas Trujillo of the Dominican Republic at least encouraged economic development .

All history Tom and just an excuse. The earthquake was a game changer and an opportunity lost

History is a valuable lesson . Short of occupation and regime change ,what exactly should we have done ?
It cracks me up . The biggest critique of our nation in this hemisphere is our interference in other nations. Yet when there is problems the chorus is always the same... 'why isn't America doing something ? '... even in cases like this where our efforts have been massive. Let's see if Americans donate as much to the NY/NJ areas rebuilding as we have for Haiti or the tsunamis in Japan and the Indian Ocean. This morning there are many people in this area living in ad hoc tent cities... and temps dipped below freezing at night.

History is a valuable lesson . Short of occupation and regime change ,what exactly should we have done ?
It cracks me up . The biggest critique of our nation in this hemisphere is our interference in other nations. Yet when there is problems the chorus is always the same...'why isn't America doing something ? ' ...even in cases like this where our efforts have been massive. Let's see if Americans donate as much to the NY/NJ areas rebuilding as we have for Haiti or the tsunamis in Japan and the Indian Ocean. This morning there are many people in this area living in ad hoc tent cities ...and temps dipped below freezing at night.

Tom there is a difference between interferrence and aid or help, you seem to think that every time you help someone you have the right to dictate politically to them. There are people living in tent cities in the US and there are 14 million unoccupied homes, is there a mental block over there? There is a giant disconnect in your society, an inability to connect the dots, there is no need for people to live in tent cities in the US for any length of time but people have been living that way in Haiti for years. One day you will get your head out of your arse. Your country has the ability to rebuild NYNJ. Haiti does not have the ability to rebuild, Japan has the ability to rebuild, Haiti does not have the ability to rebuild, what part of that do you not understand? I seen to remember someone telling me you could fish and cut bait, well what you are telling me now is you cant. Welcome to reality

Giving massive aid to Haiti has been an exercise in throwing money away. It does not get to the intended recipient . How is it possible for that reality to change if the terms can't be "dictated "? How do you convince a corrupt regime to give the massive aid to the people ? It's you who need to get your head our of your arse . We could've multiplied our aid X10 and the results would not have been any different.

Giving massive aid to Haiti has been an exercise in throwing money away. It does not get to the intended recipient . How is it possible for that reality to change if the terms can't be "dictated "? How do you convince a corrupt regime to give the massive aid to the people ? It's you who need to get your head our of your arse . We could've multiplied our aid X10 and the results would not have been any different.

Tom you always have barriers to reality, when we gave $1 billion to Indonesia at the time of the Tsumani we made it plain, we would supervise how it was spent, no local officials involved in their customary dealing. They didn't like it but that's the way they got the aid. It isn't about quantity, it is about quality, getting bang for your buck. You want to be part of Asia but you understand nothing about it and as a result they will take you to the cleaners

Tell that to the Indonesians who drank water desalinated on one of our imperial nuclear Super Carriers and who received immediate aid from planes and copters that took off from the deck ;and received immediate medical aid from the staff of doctor on board the fleet. While that was happening the UN was having cocktail party discussions on how they should proceed with a relief plan. BTW.. 3 of our carriers are scheduled for retirement with no replacement.

tell that to the Indonesians who drank water desalinated on one of our imperial nuclear Super Carriers and who received immediate aid from planes and copters that took off from the deck ;and received immediate medical aid from the staff of doctor on board the fleet.
That is exactly 'clete's point -- be in control of aid and aid funds and don't just hand it off to the government of the stricken country.

In Indonesia we have the 3rd largest democratic nation on the planet. They invited us in on their terms . Haiti invites us in ,but they will never allow us to do what is necessary for them to sustain an economy necessary to eradicate the abject poverty of the nation. I'm sure your son would tell you that it is impossible to get the cooperation .So what is the choice ? If we send aid it goes down the pit. If we don't we are the cruel neighbor that doesn't do a thing to help .

I consider Haiti as a case study in learned helplessness.

Yes a textbook case. But frankly there have been times I've felt this area was the same. People crying in desperation because the lights went out a few days ,or even worse ,their cable or cell service out... ;or people hanging out in their homes for days waiting for the nanny state to come and clean the streets after a blizzard. I spoke of neighborhoods organizing clean ups before city sanitation came .But unfortunately that may be the exception and not the rule .
It goes back to the thinking that everything is of the public commons instead of the assumption of private ownership .

For years I lived in a mixed community that had a robust Haitian population .I have to say that the behavior of the general population is not inherent in the Haitian immigrant. They are as hard working as any group I've seen in this country . I think government dependency saps the energy out of people ;and it doubles down on a population that has lived under the jackboot of tyranny for so long that they resign to that fate.

I totally agree, Tom, and see that in my own family (in-laws) -- a niece who was diagnosed years ago as ADHD (not sure I agree, was a major parenting problem going on). She has knocked herself out so that she doesn't ever have to produce, except for producing two children from two different fathers.

There should definitely be a limit to handouts without personal responsibility. Even in the beginning, supervised volunteer/community service should be part of the deal with roadsides being cleaned up, public libraries being cleaned beyond the custodian staffs' contract (yes, book shelves get very dusty, plants need repotting, furniture needs wiping down, soiled and written-in books need cleaning -- I coordinated court-ordered community service for years). I know the need is there, and the workers are there too. So let's connect them.

I totally agree, Tom, and see that in my own family (in-laws) -- a niece who was diagnosed years ago as ADHD (not sure I agree, was a major parenting problem going on). She has knocked herself out so that she doesn't ever have to produce, except for producing two children from two different fathers.

There should definitely be a limit to handouts without personal responsibility. Even in the beginning, supervised volunteer/community service should be part of the deal with roadsides being cleaned up, public libraries being cleaned beyond the custodian staffs' contract (yes, book shelves get very dusty, plants need repotting, furniture needs wiping down, soiled and written-in books need cleaning -- I coordinated court-ordered community service for years). I know the need is there, and the workers are there too. So let's connect them.

Wow, we actually agree. If I had said that I'd get hammered.

Wow, we actually agree. If I had said that I'd get hammered.
I would never hammer you for talking about personal responsibility. The trick is that someone official has to do the connecting and overseeing. In court-ordered community service, the sentence is handed down by a judge. A PO masterminded the community service assignment, connected to me at a work site, and I trained and oversaw the offender at the work site, then reported back to the PO who reported to the judge. It worked real well.

So how can we do that as a nation?

How? If you're able, you contribute something meaningful to get government dollars, period. No show, no dough. I can think of all kind of things around here that need to be done. The state seems to have abandoned any pretense of maintaining the landscape along interstates, we have enough mowing, pruning, trimming and trash collecting to keep some people busy. Libraries and other government buildings, community centers, homeless shelters, schools all can use some help I'm sure.

How? If you're able, you contribute something meaningful to get government dollars, period. No show, no dough. I can think of all kind of things around here that need to be done. The state seems to have abandoned any pretense of maintaining the landscape along interstates, we have enough mowing, pruning, trimming and trash collecting to keep some people busy. Libraries and other government buildings, community centers, homeless shelters, schools all can use some help I'm sure.
Therefore, requirements need to be installed and guidelines written.

The public unions would never permit the government to do that .

the public unions would never permit the government to do that .
Why not? It wouldn't be taking their workers.

No ,it would be taking their jobs.

no ,it would be taking their jobs.
They don't have any.

What ? Around here every sanitation worker ,and every other public job is unionized.

What ? Around here every sanitation worker ,and every other public job is unionized.
I thought we were talking about the unemployed who are looking for government handouts. I learned from supervising community service workers that many jobs go undone (and are spit upon) by unionized custodians.

Demarcation, no unionised worker does work reserved for others, after all the lesser mortals must do something

FYI all of you who just can't wait to raise taxes on "rich" people to cheer people up (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/11/27/buffett_tax_hikes_on_rich_would_raise_the_morale_o f_the_middle_class.html), since Gordon Brown raised taxes on the wealthy in the UK it has "cost the UK £7 billion in lost tax revenue." (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9707029/Two-thirds-of-millionaires-left-Britain-to-avoid-50p-tax-rate.html)

Go ahead, stick it to the rich. It won't solve anything and probably will cost the government revenue but at least it'll cheer you up a bit.

What does that prove, speech, the wealthy are already using tax havens. British tax rates have always been draconian and they have convenient places to go to, like Luxemborg. Someone has missed the point here, you don't need an increase in the top rate on income because this tax is ineffective, you need an increased tax on Capital Gains, Interest and Dividends, that's where the rich derive their income

What does it prove? Just a warning...

It proves that capital chases tax havens once it has an assured income stream, rates are incidental, the idea is to pluck the goose with a minimum of honking

And our campaigner-in-chief thinks raising rates on anyone making over 250k is the answer. Sorry, it's just feel-good window dressing, a morale booster as the namesake of Obama's plan said (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/11/27/buffett_tax_hikes_on_rich_would_raise_the_morale_o f_the_middle_class.html). I won't raise much if any revenue and those who can will just find a way around it.

The Dems like to pretend the wealthy are all fat cat Republicans even though the majority of the wealthiest in Congress themselves are Democrats. You think wealthy Democrats aren't going to look after their own self-interest?

But it is telling when the progressives looks at taxes as "plucking a goose" .

Hello again;


Just a warningLook.. Some folks invest. Some folks watch FOX News to find out WHAT investors think.. But, THEY ain't telling you the truth, fair and balanced or not.

When considering an investment, FOX would have you believe that investors look at the TAX rate instead of the potential PROFITS that can be made... That just ain't so. It's not even close. In fact, it's SOOO wrong, that if it weren't so SAD (because people BELIEVE it), it would be funny. I promise you, NO investor in the world asks what the tax rate is when presented with a winning investment... That's NOBODY.

Excon

Hello again;

Look.. Some folks invest. Some folks watch FOX News to find out WHAT investors think.. But, THEY ain't telling you the truth, fair and balanced or not.

When considering an investment, FOX would have you believe that investors look at the TAX rate instead of the potential PROFITS that can be made... That just ain't so. It's not even close. In fact, it's SOOO wrong, that if it weren't so SAD (because people BELIEVE it), it would be funny. I promise you, NO investor in the world asks what the tax rate is when presented with a winning investment... That's NOBODY.

excon

Funny, but I almost never source Fox News so I have no idea where the hell you guys keep coming up with this Fox crap. I think it's a Fox Derangement Syndrome and I'm sure medication would help.

What I reported (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3336085-post215.html) was from The Telegraph, which tells us the UK lost £7 billion in tax revenue when "two-thirds of millionaires left Britain" after Gordon Brown raised their taxes. It's going to happen in France as well, and our wealthy aren't so dumb as to sit back and let the feds screw them out of their money. You think they are? Bwa ha ha!!

Their MONEY?? You mean the money they extracted from YOUR labors?? Your savings? Your benefits?? Your house?? Your children's future??

And you condone it as fair? You are screwing yourself and blaming the wrong person.

Hello again, Steve:

Just a note. I use FOX News as a metaphor for ALL right wing media, including the Limp one, Drudge, Hannity, WND, Bozell, or ANY of the others. You know who I'm talking about.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Just a note. I use FOX News as a metaphor for ALL right wing media, including the Limp one, Drudge, Hannity, WND, Bozell, or ANY of the others. You know who I'm talking about.

excon

Oh I know what you're talking about, shame you never use it in a relevant way.

Hello again, Steve:


shame you never use it in a relevant way.I suppose blaming the main stream media for stealing the election IS relevant..

As your post relates to the OP, it looks like you're party is splitting in half. We KNOW which half you're rolling with.

Excon

Their MONEY?????????? You mean the money they extracted from YOUR labors??? Your savings?? Your benefits????? Your house???? Your childrens future????

And you condone it as fair?? You are screwing yourself and blaming the wrong person.

Dude, I'd rather take a chance on screwing things up myself than watch you screw it up for me.

Hello again, Steve:

I suppose blaming the main stream media for stealing the election IS relevant..

As your post relates to the OP, it looks like you're party is splitting in half. We KNOW which half you're rolling with.

excon

Why yes, the FACT that the mainstream media withheld, whitewashed and covered for Obama (including that lady that interjected at the debate) is relevant (I don't believe I said they stole the election). Linking my response on Fox News is not.

Dude, I'd rather take a chance on screwing things up myself than watch you screw it up for me.

I don't want you screwing YOURSELF, but you are trying to. Just don't blame ME for your screw ups.

Don't try to screw me either.

I don't want you screwing YOURSELF, but you are trying to. Just don't blame ME for your screw ups.

Don't try to screw me either.

Here's a deal, you take care of you and I'll take care of me. I'll leave your stuff alone and you leave my stuff alone. See how that works?

By the way, we now know which way Obama will go, $1.6 billion in new taxes in exchange for nothing. Mitch McConnell literally laughed out loud (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mcconnell-burst-laughter-geithner-outlined-obamas-plan_664210.html) at Geithner's proposal.


Mitch McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, says he “burst into laughter” Thursday when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner outlined the administration proposal for averting the fiscal cliff. He wasn't trying to embarrass Geithner, McConnell says, only responding candidly to his one-sided plan, explicit on tax increases, vague on spending cuts…

So instead of getting serious about working together for a solution he's busy telling people to Tweet congress to pass his grand new compromise of all for nothing. Aren't you guys about tired of a Twit-in-chief yet?

Heard fast Eddie Rendell today. He called the insulting proposal an'opening bid ' in the negotiations . But we know very well that the President intends it to be 'my way or the highway off the fiscal cliff'. Tal already signaled it would be OK by him . So did Ex's Senator .

Yes, he's obviously not changed from his initial "I won" attitude and has no intention of any compromises... all the while blaming the GOP for "obstruction" as did Reid's spokesman after Boehner promised any Senate bill sent via his rule changes would be DOA (http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2012/11/boehner-slams-dems-filibuster-plan-150688.html) (as Reid has done to House bills when he was busy not passing a budget).

Actually, maybe we'd be better off if that's how Congress worked -.the Senate kills all House bills and the House kills all Senate bills.

Hello again,

Marco Rubio said that it doesn't matter if you're RIGHT on economic matters, they're NOT going to listen to you if they think you want to deport their grandmother.

He's right. Are you going to, or better said, CAN you, or SHOULD you shift a policy of demonizing Hispanics to one of welcoming?? Said another way, DO you still think all 12 million undocumented aliens should be thrown out??

excon

No one is demonizing Hispanics, but we do have rule of law which your president finds as a mere inconvenience to his unilateral rule. Apparently you do, too and are just fine with promoting the false narrative that we want to deport their grandmas. But you know Republicans are preparing their own DREAM plan, and with Rubio and Cruz in we're going to make inroads with Hispanics... while your side does all they can to paint them as inauthentic, extremist sellouts.

Hello again Steve,

In other words, you DO want to evict all of them. Why can't you say that?

excon

I don't know what anyone else has said ;but I said I'm welcome to a plan for what you guys call a "path to citizenship " after the border has been secured so we can have a reasonable expectation that we don't get another 20 million illegals in the next 2 decades . That to me is a bottom line . Now don't say I'm not open to compromise because my gut instinct is to kick out people who's 1st act in a country they want to live in is an illegal act.

Steve is right by the way . When any minority doesn't toe the party line it is the left who demonizes them . Oh wait that's right... all you guys jumped right on the Miguel Estrada nomination bandwagon.

I thought the border HAD been secured.

The very first requirement for any immigrant from any country who doesn't know English should be to connect with a native speaker who will be part of an amazing corps of English-teaching volunteers that can be easily created. The tutoring can be done at every public library in this country. Of course, there will be benchmark testing along the way until a certain standard has been achieved by the immigrant.

Cuban immigrants got instant sanctuary running from Castro but Mexicans have to have a fence to keep them out when they have been migrating north for centuries.

So illegal depends on the laws in place subject to change.

Yes, he's obviously not changed from his initial "I won" attitude and has no intention of any compromises.. Hello again, Steve:

Although you SAY that he didn't compromise during his first term, you just didn't like the compromises he made. In fact, in the stimulus, he devoted roughly a third of the money to tax cuts that he assumed Republicans would like. You did not. Likewise, his framework for universal health care included free-market elements that he thought Republicans would embrace. You did not.

So, he's not going to do that again.

Is he going to compromise on the tax RATES going back the Clinton era levels for the richest of the rich? No. He campaigned on it. He won. Even MORE people than voted for him want to raise taxes on the rich. That ISN'T going to happen.

So, it's not HIM who's refusing to compromise. It's the party of NO.

Excon

Hello again Steve,

In other words, you DO want to evict all of them. Why can't you say that?

excon

Because no matter what I say you'll put words in my mouth.

I believe I've made it clear that I'm fine with the "path to citizenship" too, as long as we secure the borders. What I'm not fine with is playing the race card. Enough already.

Hello again, Steve:

Although you SAY that he didn't compromise during his first term, you just didn't like the compromises he made. In fact, in the stimulus, he devoted roughly a third of the money to tax cuts that he assumed Republicans would like. You did not. Likewise, his framework for universal health care included free-market elements that he thought Republicans would embrace. You did not.

So, he's not gonna do that again.

Is he going to compromise on the tax RATES going back the the Clinton era levels for the richest of the rich?? No. He campaigned on it. He won. Even MORE people than voted for him want to raise taxes on the rich. That ISN'T going to happen.

So, it's not HIM who's refusing to compromise. It's the party of NO.

excon

You forget, he himself said raising taxes was a bad idea at the time. That doesn't translate into compromise. You also forget Americans overwhelmingly said NO to Obamacare, he rammed it through anyway. That's not compromise.

You also forgot the guy who gave you Obama Care was re-elected. And its you guys turn to compromise... for real this time.

Who said the borders weren't secure? He sure deports a lot of folks and why is reasonable commentary playing the race card? Ignoring the effects on policy that effects people isn't a race card, whether you like them or not.

You also forgot the guy who gave you Obama Care was re-elected. And its you guys turn to compromise...............................for real this time.

Who said the borders weren't secure? He sure deports a lot of folks and why is reasonable commentary playing the race card? Ignoring the effects on policy that effects people isn't a race card, whether you like them or not.

Joe Biden said Republicans wanted to put blacks back in chains. An Obama aide just said "You know, with the way politics of Washington are today, there'd still be slavery."

You guys don't do "reasonable commentary" on race.

You also forgot the guy who gave you Obama Care was re-elected. And its you guys turn to compromise... for real this time.

The Republican majority was sent back to Capitol Hill promising their constituents that they would hold the line on taxes and spending . If the President wants his agenda passed he'd best lose the 'my way or the highway' approach.

Yes that's compromise all right, didn't you guys learn the lesson of Custer's Last Stand?

That chart actually shows that private sector employment improved for more than twelve months, these charts chart net job losses

Google Image Result for http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/22480/FE_DA_PublicvPrivateJobsGraph.jpg (http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/22480/FE_DA_PublicvPrivateJobsGraph.jpg&imgrefurl=http://money.usnews.com/money/careers/articles/2011/07/08/public-versus-private-sector-job-gains&h=418&w=600&sz=129&tbnid=MidubDdjwR6rNM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__gfh0q7F_oT_PxN1-zL_rKAx5TmA=&docid=OSyjmS200nVkdM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wB29UMOrJOSBiQfLqYGIDQ&ved=0CDoQ9QEwAg&dur=2051)

This one is more telling

I don't see much hope for the future of the Republican party. Their base keeps on shrinking and they alienate so many voter groups. They lost the black vote in 1960, they turned off working and middle class people who used to vote for them with their stubborn refusal to tax the richest Americans, their anti-science, religious nutbar, tea party types have caused them to lose the college educated, moderates, women, immigrants, young people. You can't have a party with just greedy billionaires and redneck angry white guys.

Political parties go through times where they have to reinvent themselves, this often happens after election losses, but maybe it is time for generational change. As far as a party being red neck, they are just consigning themselves to the role of a minor party. The problem with the political system is it is driven by money and influence, so you can't expect them to bite the hand that feeds them, but when they are not in power a little bipartisanism goes a long way. When you have a platform that looks to small government you can easily paint yourself into a corner

I don't see much hope for the future of the Republican party
The Repubics thought they could have a permanent Republic majority after the 2004 elections .
Now Woodward says that there are huge rifts inside the Dem coalition. No surprise there.. Once the President takes the oath he'll be a lame duck and the long knives will be drawn to determine the future of the Dems .
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/12/12/woodward_theres_a_civil_war_in_the_democratic_part y.html