If only he'd given the order to whack the terrorists in Benghazi...

He cannot give such an order in the open. Libya is a soveriegn nation, This is not Afghanistan in 2001. No doubt he has some drones deployed looking for likely targets.. Do you remember that the Libyans didn't want american troops on the ground in support of their revolution and they don't want them now. They moved to take action against certain groups. These are different days and landing on the shores of Tripoli is just not on. He may yet have to deal with Mali, which is where those terrorists probably came from

Hello again, tom:

You don't understand command.. Obama didn't have to fire the gun to have killed Ben Laden, and he doesn't have to drive a truck to manage the well oiled machine called FEMA.

excon

FEMA distrubutes Federal Money . If all he had to do was "drive a truck to manage the well oiled machine called FEMA." then he could've done it from his Oval Office ,and not done that Laurel and Hardy act with Christie. It was a disgrace. I'm more in awe of the cops I saw breaking up the potential riot at the gas station today than his faux look of concern from the helicopter .

When it comes to rebuilding the communities on the barrier beaches let's see how often the Federal Government gets in the way .

As much as I've had issues with nanny Bloomy and Governor Andrew Cuomo ,I have to say they called it right when they respectfully told the President to stay out of Dodge. The unheralded heroes are not the President and Christie hogging the oxygen. It is the first responders who pumped oxygen into infant babies when the generators failed at NYU Hospital . It's the police controlling traffic at dangerous congested intersections when the lights went dark. It's my friend who travelled from his home in PA ,and doesn't know when he'll return home because he is helping local utilities get power back up .

Tal says this won't be Katrina . That's right ,BECAUSE we aren't sitting on our thumbs waiting for Federal Government assistance.

he could've done it from his Oval Office ,and not done that Laurel and Hardy act with Christie.
Had he sat in his Oval Office, there would have been hoots of derision at an uninvolved, unsympathetic president.

Not from me . It was a left wing talking point that Bush was detached and uninvolved and unsympathetic . I knew better .

Look Tom we know that Bush was a little detached and slow to decide, thankfully these are different days and if the only critism of Obama in a crisis is that he acted too quickly, I think you guys should find something better to gripe about, he acted before the possibility that he became a caretaker and unable to act

He didn't act . That's bs. He didn't do a damn thing. You think taking a helicopter ride is acting ? Do you think he personally ordered the Army Corp of Engineers to bring pumps into NYC to pump out the subways ? Give me a break !

Bush wasn't slow to react . By law he had to wait until the Governors requested aid . Governor Blanco of Lousiana was the person slow to react .Governor Christie has been up the President's butt since the hurricane hit.

Hello again,

If you said this about FEMA,


"Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better.

We cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids."

What would be the worst thing that could happen to you a week before the election?

Excon

You guys have never heard of the Waffle House Index obviously.

How to Measure a Storm's Fury One Breakfast at a Time (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904716604576542460736605364.html)

The private sector is always more efficient. By the way, the Red Cross is not a government agency either.

Hello again, Steve:


The private sector is always more efficient.Let me ask you this, Mr. average American... Let's say it was YOUR city that was flooded. I presume you live in an AVERAGE neighborhood. RICH people don't. Who do you think the profit seeking companies are going to rescue first? When their profits are in danger, who do you think will be left on their own?

You certainly don't propose funding this giant private company with TAXPAYER dollars, do you? Or, should it be a charity like the Red Cross? That'll be good.. A GIANT hurricane hits and we ALL have to depend on charity to get rescued...

Excon

Yep ex that's where capitalism will get you

Hello again,

Boy, Mitt's had a couple of bad days.. First his FEMA cuts didn't help.. His keynote speaker fawned over Obama, and then Bloomberg endorsed him.

excon

That same Bloomberg running massive generators for the marathon while half the city is in the dark? I don't think anyone is the least bit surprised by Bloomy's endorsement. I read it, it's a bunch of conflicting gibberish.

And don't forget the looting, lack of food of and heat (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/were-going-to-die-staten-island-residents-plead-for-help-3-days-after-sandy/)... but let's run a race.

Christie's Laurel And Hardy act with President flyover didn't surprise me. At heart he is a big government Republic despite his bombast . Got a chance to drive through inland NJ today His concentration with the coast towns he grew up in are admirable .But he has a whole State in the dark and in bad temper . Today volunteer utility workers from the South were turned away because they weren't unionized workers .

Nanny Bloomy is convinced that the storm was a global warming event . He's afraid that future NYC Marathons may be disrupted . Not only are generators being used for a Central Park party tonight; but people ,who went to Hotels because their homes were destroyed ,are being evicted so the runners have a place to stay.

Tom in every generation there are severe weather events. The extent to which climate change might have contributed will be debated for a long time to come. From my observation far away late season storms can have unexpected consequences and this one took an unexpected track.. The fruitcakes will all be blaming climate change because who else have they to blame, but the people who built their houses close to the shore must bear part of the blame

but the people who built their houses close to the shore must bear part of the blame

Indeed . In fact the rich people who have vacation homes on the beach will no doubt be utilizing all the subsidized resources available to them including Federal flood insurance ,FEMA bucks ,Army Corps of Engineers rebuilding their beaches. I have no sympathy for them .
However ,there are people who live in those communities who make their living from the sea ,or catering to the beach crowd . They deserve as much assistance as the people of New Orleans did .
But I have to say that local governments need to make hard choices about riverside living etc .
My own rule of thumb is that if you can see water from your house it will eventually be in your house. I chose a house on the top of a hill.

"I may be the only person in America, but I'm more excited about Obama this time." -Bill Clinton

With support like that...

By your rule I am safe Tom even though I am 10-20 metres above the river. In my community hard choices have been made about riverside living, either it is protected by a levy or it is resumed and demolished. It is amazing your local governments are so slow to act, seems some politicains need a kick in the ding

"I may be the only person in America, but I'm more excited about Obama this time." -Bill Clinton

With support like that...

And 'stand up ' Joe weighs in again :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPdTSnmzdb4

Even Axelrod is getting in on the act...


“You can see in the speech that he's delivering —that he, that this is coming from his loins,” Axelrod declared, adding, “I just wanted to say loins. I wanted to see if I could get loins in the story.”


I really don't think most voters want to think about what's coming from Obama's loins.

Hello again,

So, I see the right wing contingent is slobbering over Romney. But, I wonder if it's because they LOVE Romney so much, or because they HATE Obama so much.

Anybody?

excon

I'm sure you noticed my comment about one being president and the other being presidential. Yeah, I'm liking him more and more.

But, as I've said from the start which you can't seem to believe (presumably because you drank the koolaid), I find his policies disastrous. We are not better off than we were 4 years ago and all he has waiting for us is more regulations (http://www.nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/obama-administration-sits-on-key-regulations-20121101?page=1)that will further strangle the economy, limit choice and infringe on my rights.


Federal agencies are sitting on a pile of major health, environmental, and financial regulations that lobbyists, congressional staffers, and former administration officials say are being held back to avoid providing ammunition to Mitt Romney and other Republican critics.

Despite looming legislative deadlines in the Affordable Care Act, court deadlines requiring environmental-protection rules, and a financial industry awaiting clarification on key reform details, the pace of regulatory release has slowed by almost half. The drop-off stands out not just compared to earlier years of Obama's term but also compared to other years in which presidents are running for reelection, according to analyses from experts at George Mason and George Washington universities.

The administration has also failed to release a required regulatory outlook document, describing its regulatory agenda. Such documents are supposed to be published every six months; the most recent one was published in January, making this the longest lag between outlooks since the deadline schedule was created in 1994.

Rules for thee but not for me... we can't afford this man.

Hello again, Steve:

What do you think of Romneys' etch a sketch retake on Detroit? First off, do YOU buy it? And, if you do, I guess you're the WRONG one to ask about his recent Jeep lie.

But, the people who build cars in northern Ohio took notice of it, and it's THEIR votes that are going to put Obama over the top.

excon

I see you don't want to discuss what Obama is going to do, just like him and the media. If they would do their job this would already be Romney in a landslide. Just goes to show you guys don't care about the country, you only care about yourselves. You even admit as terrible as Obama is you couldn't vote for someone capable of restoring our economy and our honor because of what I can only call your irrational fears.

What's with the creepy Romney ad by Pat Boone? I thought Halloween was over.

***I just tried to add a link and see that the ad was pulled. Hmmmm.

I see you don't want to discuss what Obama is going to do, just like him and the media. If they would do their job this would already be Romney in a landslide. Just goes to show you guys don't care about the country, you only care about yourselves. You even admit as terrible as Obama is you couldn't vote for someone capable of restoring our economy and our honor because of what I can only call your irrational fears.

Irrational fear?? OUR honor?? Its you guys hollering gloom and doom, instead of getting off your arses and working. You and Romney never ever have presented facts or processes that can be scrutinized or debated, refined and implemented in effective ways.

That's why you lose in the court of law. And you will lose in the court of public opinion too!

Come on those auto lies are but the latest example of desperation by you guys. Where was the integrity in lying so blatantly? I would say the irrational fear is best exemplified by your embracing this liar you sell to us as the only savior you have.

This is the best you got? This is the best you guys can do?

He'd vote for Romney if he weren't afraud Roe be overturned? Irrational. Where's the honor in the Benghazi coverup?

Speech there is no honour in politics

Hello again, Steve:


He'd vote for Romney if he weren't afraud Roe be overturned?You're not talking about me, are you? There's a FEW other things that prevents me from voting for Romney... But, on to other matters...

Nate Silver (http://www.salon.com/2012/11/04/sunday_update_nate_silver_makes_obama_85_percent_f avorite/?source=newsletter) makes Obama 85% favorite. Does the right wing have somebody like that? What does HE say?

Excon

I think Silver and the major polls are still operating under 2008 turnout models.

The Redskins lost yesterday, Obama is going down.

Chicago won big! So will Obama!

Hello again,

Watching my new fav channel, FOX.. My new best friend, D!ck Morris says that Romney is going to win 325 electoral votes. That's about the same number of votes Nate Silver says Obama is going to win.

Whaddya know about that?

excon

Well you can say this it is either a landslide or it is a landslide this is what passes for journalism these days

AliceCooper - Elected (1972 promo video) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs6AExtcNEQ)

Obama's closing argument

Batman (1989): Popular Joker - Video (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-DQSFutu2bhu2Y/batman_1989_popular_joker/?noFBRedirect=1)

Sniff'n The Tears - Driver's Seat- Rock Song - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr4wGFJrSss)

The Guess Who - No Time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqeSUAlI5uI)

Hello again,

Not Guilty & The Frameups, and their hit "Get Real".

Whose Line is it Anyway - News Flash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irQLbZJixQE)

Which one is you? Bearded guy?

Hello again, Steve:

Hell no. I'm the cool bass player in the back.

excon

Seriously?

Hell no. I'm the cool bass player in the back.

That was my second guess.

Hello again,

The fat lady sung.. Cepting Romney doesn't think he lost Ohio, when EVEN Fox says he did...

Four more years... Yeah!

excon

Yes four more years of deadlock, know how you feel

Sherman "We've had the devil's own day."
Grant "Lick 'em tomorrow."

Ps .I blame Christie . 2 weeks ago he was going around the country saying we have to send Obama back to Chi-town . Then the hurricane comes ,and he put a lip lock on the President's posterior. They did the flyover... Christies got to meet his idol Sprinsteen ;and the next thing you know Christie starts his man-love act... and the President got to act "Presidential " while Romney all but disappeared from the campaign.

The October surprise was a hurricane. If I was a tin foil hat type of person ,I'd be wondering about HAARP .

... he put a lip lock on the President's posterior... starts his man-love act.. Projecting? LOL.

I blame the media. My projection for the next two years? More gridlock, overwhelming regulatory overreach and I lose my health insurance, thank you very much.

I've asked this before but never got an answer: why are conservatives so impotent in making any changes in the msm or education? I noticed they use that as a scapegoat often but can't seem to bring their ideology to those perceived "liberal-bias" institution.

That's a helluva question coming from this site's most ardent Fox News basher.

See? Never an actual answer. <sigh>

I keep holding out hope that some day you'll actually take the clues you're being fed and figure it out.

Hello again,

So, when Obama wins Florida, that'll be another 29 Electoral votes... What's that? Landslide? It IS, isn't it?

excon

Yeah ;the State that returns Ben Nelson and Alan Grayson back to Congress .Last I heard there is a difference of about 1% or less in the popular vote . I would not call that landslide. Neither would you.

Chris Matthew's final thoughts last night :
I'm so glad we had that storm last week because I think the storm was one of those things. No, politically I should say, not in terms of hurting people. The storm brought in possibilities for good politics.

Hurricane Sandy united people.

That wasn't why... because the President got his photo-op with Christie and Christie got that 'thrill up his leg'.

Hello again, tom:

All I got to say, if it's God's will that a women should get pregnant when she's raped, then it was God's will that Obama won.

excon

Since I don't believe in the nonsense about rape I'll decline comment . As far as Obama goes ;
God permits humans to make mistakes.

hello again, tom:

All i gotta say, if it's god's will that a women should get pregnant when she's raped, then it was god's will that obama won.

Excon

Amen!!

For accuracy we should at least change the title of this thread from "who's winning?" to Who won? And why? Its simple our side out numbered their side. The difference is 3 million and counting. Reasons become excuses when you lose.

It's time to let this thread go, the result is clear, the people have spoken, at least some of them

This thread is closed. A winner has been declared.