I was charged with shoplifting at {store name removed} because the security guy says he saw me putting something in my jacket sleeve. When apprehended in the parking lot, I didn't have anything in my jacket sleeve. He grabbed an item from my shopping bag that was in the backseat of my car and told the cop who was there that this was the item I had stolen. I produced a receipt but that did not satisfy him as the tag was missing from the item. Later on I found the tag in the bag in the car but I had already been charged by the police. When I went back to the officer who was still over in his car, and showed it to him, he wasn't interested and said he had to go see about a traffic accident. He had been in the store after charging me and I'm wondering whether they showed him the security video?

Also, can anyone tell me if security video from {store name removed} is in colour or black and white? And did the security guard have the right to take something from my car without my permission? He kept the item too. Doesn't he have to give it to the police to keep as evidence? Does he have to bring it to court? How does the court know if what he brings in is the same item he took from my car? I don't trust him at all. I know that's a lot of questions but I'd really appreciate it if anyone out there knows the answers to all or any of them. Thanks.

OK, first.

1. did you steal something, what will the video show.
2. why does it matter if it is in black or white?

If you stole something you got caught, and was able to hide the item taken. They don't even need the item if it is clear in the photo you were taking and hiding it.

If you did not actually steal something ( and I assume you really did by the way this is written) ** it is more how do I get off, than I am falsely accussed***

You bring the receipt into court, and show the item shown was paid for.

If the video shows you stealing something they court will assume you bought one, and stole one.

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And this is how the site works, no one will just give you a vague answer without the facts. Esp in the legal section. We will give you a proper legal answer after getting all the facts.

You may supply them and get a answer, or you may try to play vague and be ignored

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There are no further facts needed to answer my questions, beyond those already provided. I do not want a "vague answer". I don't want "a answer", I require an answer. Who is this "we" you speak for? You may not wish to respond to my questions without what you see as being "all the facts", but others may know the answer or answers to any or all of my questions and may be kind enough to respond. I don't think you can speak for everyone on this site. I am sorry you feel you must ignore me ("and be ignored") but again, that doesn't mean that everyone on this site feels the same way. As you are not a lawyer and not a Canadian and obviously have nothing to offer in the way of answers to my questions about a Canadian store and Canadian law, I respectfully request that you do not post on this issue again.


You don't want an answer - you REQUIRE one? You certainly have some inflated sense of ego and entitlement

Please don't even attempt to dictate who will answer your question(s) and who will not. If you want advice from a Canadian Attorney, pay for one.

I'm an investigator so I'm going to ask you one question that stands out - why does it matter if the security cam is in color or black and white unless you produced an item in one color and the one stolen was another. Likewise, what does the Police Officer being in the video prove (or disprove)?

{store name removed} is tough.

You are correct - FrChuck doesn't speak for "everyone" on this site, you being part of "everyone." He does speak for me and most of the people who post on the legal threads.

You obviously have nothing to offer in the way of explanation and DEMAND an answer, and I respectfully request that you do not post on this issue again, taking up valuable time and space.

I'm sure your paid Canadian Attorney can work through this with you.

Before you start correcting spellings and typos on other peoples' posts ("I don't want "a" answer", I want "an"an") I would suggest that you review your own with special attention being paid to punctuation. Would you like an example or two?

I notice you post a lot of opinions on the medical boards - when you're not at {store name removed} are you a Doctor? The people posting also DEMAND answers, so I would suggest that, in light of your lack of medical training, you not post on the medical boards.

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First, we all volunteer our time, so sometimes we don't spend a lot of time proofing grammar and spelling. Criticizing typos is not something we do. If someone repeatedly uses a word incorrectly that's a different story.

Second, You can certainly respond that you are uncomfortable providing further info and let the responder decide whether to answer or not. However, one of the advantages of a site like this is the anonymity. So you can generally give information without concern. And what can't you simply state that you are asking for someone else. People do it all the time.

Of course you have the right to answer questions here. But there are certain caveats and standards to be maintained. One of those is giving medial advice without a proper examination. And the post referred to came dangerously close to doing so.

Finally, no one requested that you no post further. But, as noted we have some standards here. We take pride in the quality of the advice given and make sure that new members maintain that quality.

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Makes no sense to "withdraw" a post, particularly one that is insulting and shaped the way your posts are answered, when the "withdrawn" post is quoted.

So - your comments are still there in the event anyone thought I was unnecessarily harsh.

First you have no idea who most posters are, I am for one went to law school and worked most my life for the US Justice Dept and State police agencies.

And to be blunt, have worked with these boards for almost 15 years learning legal systems in several countries.

All of the people where that answered will normally be glad to help you, if you show respect and ask for help, And give enough info for a answer.

With what little info your provided, they will convict you. The color or non color has no bearing on the case and can be discovered when evidence is reviewed.

The question of quilt if fairly obvious, since a innocent persons, states that. A guilty person attacks those who ask.