Report: Never an Anti-American Protest in Benghazi, Only a Planned Attack (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/report-never-anti-american-protest-benghazi-only-planned-attack_652761.html)


CBS reports this morning that witnesses are saying "that there was never an anti-American protest outside of the consulate [in Benghazi, Libya]. Instead, they say, it came under planned attack. That is in direct contradiction to the administration's account of the incident."

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"What's clear," the CBS reporter concludes, "is that the public won't get a detailed account of what happened until after the election."

Just another example of what we get for Obama's promise of an "unprecedented level of openness"? Could this be the beginning of the media doing their job? Naaa...

Some of us knew this the day it happened... I'm a bit surprised CBS is actually not burrying this completely like they have so many other things... maybe there is hope for them yet.

And they still lie about it in claiming that although it was a terrorist attack ,that it wasn't planned. Because if it was plannned then they'd have to admit that the Brotherhood in Cairo was complicit in the plot .And that would kind of ruin their narrative about the Brotherhood ;and this ridiculous diversion about some silly video .

The two former Navy SEAL heroes killed in the attack ,Tyrone Woods, and Glen Doherty, were not part of Ambassador Chris Stevens' official embassy security detail but took up arms in an effort to protect the counsellate and the Ambassadoer when they were overrun by insurgents .

. No ;in fact the Ambassador's protection was detailed to local Libyians with at best questionable loyalties (the insurgents knew of the safe house that the Ambassador attempted to escape to) ,who were hired by a British firm. Marines were not stationed at the embassy in Tripoli or the mission in Benghazi, as would typically have been the case.Why ? Because the US has tried to keep a low profile in Libya .
Daily Press Briefing - September 18, 2012 (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2012/09/197912.htm)

Just waiting for the rest of the media to do their job. Maybe Tapper will at least grill them on it.

NBC actually joined the fray (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/20/13978780-analysis-manufactured-outrage-behind-middle-east-protests?lite) over the now "manufactured outrage," although this line cracks me up:


Much of the mainstream media has played it as a spontaneous reaction to a disgusting film clip which denigrated Muslims and happened to be made and promoted in the USA.

I would hope they consider themselves as part of that "much of the mainstream media."

This is only telling us what was apparent from the beginning

Then the administration has to answer for it's denials and continuing cover-up.

I've spent enough time in the State Dept and still know enough people in it to call BS the instant they started to lie on that day.

But it was patently obvious to most thinking people from the beginning.

I've spent enough time in the State Dept and still know enough people in it to call BS the instant they started to lie on that day.

But it was patently obvious to most thinking people from the beginning.

Yes I don't know why they do that? Thinking that they don't want to give Al Qaeda any credit, don't want to expose their unpreparedness. The thing is the film trailer has been out there for months and yet, suddenly, it is an issue, the trailer didn't start a problem but as soon as the film became know it was used as an excuse to fermet trouble. I still ask, how come the Muslims in the US aren't protesting, aren't rioting? Are they being suppressed? Is this the result of an attempt to promote the film, if so the producer should be charged with public nuiance and promoting religious hatred

Yes I don't know why they do that? thinking that they don't want to give Al Qaeda any credit, don't want to expose their unpreparedness. The thing is the film trailer has been out there for months and yet, suddenly, it is an issue, the trailer didn't start a problem but as soon as the film became know it was used as an excuse to fermet trouble. I still ask, how come the Muslims in the US arn't protesting, arn't rioting? Are they being suppressed? Is this the result of an attempt to promote the film, if so the producer should be charged with public nuiance and promoting religious hatred

I know a few Muslims well enough to consider them friends and know their personal and very private problems... they all mention their disgust with the troglodyte element over there any time they act up overseas.

That's why they left their countries to come here. Also I might add... none of the ones I call friends wear the crap the more extreme elements wear. And they have said there is no requirement in the Koran to do so.

There have been no mass protests here by the Muslims... (like the blacks are famous for, and to a lesser degree the Hispanics).

The producer of that film has every right to make it... and considering the behaviors of the mouth breathers overseas doing the protesting... its likely quite accurate.

Martin Scorsese wasn't lynched or prosecuted for "The last temptation of Christ" and this other producer shouldn't be either.

There was a time when the libs celebrated freedom of speech and supported artists . God knows they still support artistic freedom here when it's target is Christianity . But it wasn't that long ago when the world's libs stood in solidarity with Salman Rushdie ,and openly read chapters out loud , when he wrote a book that the Muslim world considered disrespectful.

Tom the Muslim world considers everything disrepectfull, any mention of Islam is disrespectfull. I have news for them; stop disrespecting my religion and I might consider not disrespecting a religion started by Mudhatmad. What do I want? I want the persecution to stop, the killings to stop. I want Muslims to allow us the same freedom they want for themselves. You know I applauded when I heard some Iranian girls had kicked the shlt out of an Iman who had a go at them about how they were dressed. The muslims are the fashion police, the thought police of this world and it needs to stop

Quick quizz.. Who is the current US National Security Advisor ? (don't look it up... if you don't know just admit it )

Not very high profile these days , O and Hill steal all the photo ops, I remember when it was Rice but isn't someone from the CIA

No ,a retread from the Clintonoon State Dept. His claim to fame before now was to help in the negotiations for the Bosnian peace agreement . Before that he like many Dems revolved between being a Fannie Mae exec padding his wallet ,and a lobbyist. . He is also formerly from Goldman Sachs and Citigroup... what Ex would call a "bankster ".

Point is , during these times he should be out front informing the public . Everyone should know his name.

Can't see he has the experience to Do That Tom does he know anything about National Security?

None that I know of except his time in the Clintoon State Dept as a negotiator . Obama's former National Security Advisor was highly critical of him for his lack of experience. Behind the scenes ,and under the radar ,he is very influential in shaping the Obama foreign policy.

Oh so he knows something then, like when to get out?

Can't see he has the experience to Do That Tom does he know anything about National Security?

Being qualified doesn't seem to be a matter of any importance to this administration... or the Democrat party for that matter these days.

Pakistan, where our State Dept. has spent $70,000 to run ads apologizing for the offending movie, is having a
"Day of Love (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/21/us-protests-idUSBRE88J0VU20120921)." For Mohammad that is.

Apparently expressing love for Mohammad involves rioting, burning their own cars, banks and cinemas and cutting people in little bits publicly.


Mohammed Tariq Khan, a protester in Islamabad, said: "Our demand is that whoever has blasphemed against our holy Prophet should be handed over to us so we can cut him up into tiny pieces in front of the entire nation."

I'm trying to follow the logic here but there is none. Seems some cartoons published in France stoked anger over the video made in California. So Pakistanis are pi$$ed at the video because the French published some cartoons and are tearing up their own stuff while we're apologizing for free speech. Is that about right?

Oh so he knows something then, like when to get out?

Yeah right... today is the last day of the "surge " in Afghanistan and Sec Defense Panetta called it a success.

yeah right ... today is the last day of the "surge " in Afghanistan and Sec Defense Panetta called it a success.

Particualrly since MORE people have died in the last three years under Obamas watch

Yes Afghanistan was successful war for the Taliban, they are undefeated by the greatest power on Earth, two down, who's next

Yes Afghanistan was successful war for the Taliban, they are unfeated by the greatest power on Earth, two down, who's next

Problem is certain political types have never learned their lessons from Vietnam... if you go into a fight with one or both arms tied behind your back... and you opponent doesn't... you are going to lose. Yet they make many of the same mistakes in Afghanistan... measured response is a code word for we don't want to win.

We didn't win WW2 using that tactic.

Which part of WW2 are you speaking of. In Europe you were fighting a conventional enemy, not guerilla forces and it took the combined strength of armies numbering millions

In the Pacific you virtually had to dig the enemy out at great cost and you lost your patience and used weapons of annilhation

Using weapons of annilhation in Afghanistan wouldn't kill many, just covert the place into more of a wasteland than it already is, and you don't have the option of overwhelming numbers. There is one strategy, subdue Pakistan and you win in Afghanistan. Pakistan has shown itself to be a fair weather friend and may in fact be prosecuting the war

which part of WW2 are you speaking of. In Europe you were fighting a conventional enemy, not guerilla forces and it took the combined strength of armies numbering millions

In the Pacific you virtually had to dig the enemy out at great cost and you lost your patience and used weapons of annilhation

Using weapons of annilhation in Afghanistan wouldn't kill many, just covert the place into more of a wasteland than it already is, and you don't have the option of overwelming numbers. There is one strategy, subdue Pakistan and you win in Afghanistan. Pakistan has shown itself to be a fair weather friend and may infact be prosecuting the war

Carpet bombing of cities might be frowned upon by the same people the believe in measured response... but it beat the Germans. And they WERE a formidable foe. Eventually they just didn't have enough men to fight... and had resorted to the very young and very old... in the end.

Put combat troops in a city... the city becomes fair game... stay behind and you are considered a combatant...

We did what we had to do... and that Included in Japan... they were warned enough times and had plenty of chances to surrender.

We did what we had to do... we would have beat them conventionally we were well on our way to do it... but it would have cost many more lives to do it. Actually far fewer died on BOTH sides because We DID use the bomb... than if we had continued conventionally.

I'm glad we did, I'm proud we did...

I had a great Uncle die during the Bataan Death March. I also had another uncle carried off Omaha Beach on D-Day with every bone in his body broken from a German artillery shell. I had a number of relatives in every war the last 100 years, including Afghanistan and Iraq.

I myself provided com support to the entire region during Desert Shield AND Desert Storm... yes I saw more than most ground commanders were privy to. Because I saw what many of them were being told to do and not just one of them before they even got their orders, daily. The work I did had me that close to everything. It didn't start there either and it didn't end there. See how I can comment on the BS you see on TV that's called news... and why I have zero respect for CNN... I saw it before they reported on it... or more like... told their version of what happened vs, what really happened.

And I've got a nearly 30 year history of seeing things before AND after the journalists get a hold of it and distort it.

I agree... Pakistan has been proven to be unworthy of trust.

You have said all that to say this



I agree...Pakistan has been proven to be unworthy of trust.

I think you let them off too lightly, I couldn't help laughing when local television screened Rules of Engagement while the Pakistanis are beseigning the american embassy, I couldn't help wondering beyond the opportunistic programming whether it wasn't both pathetic and prophetic

You have said all that to say this



I think you let them off too lightly, I couldn't help laughing when local television screened Rules of Engagement while the Pakistanis are beseigning the american embassy, I couldn't help wondering beyond the opportunistic progrgramming whether it wasn't both pathetic and prophetic

I don't see unfiltered info on every world event... and I haven't on this one... so I use an educated guess from what I have seen and who distorted it how to guess what might be closer to the truth in those cases I haven't... so I have no doubts reality is somewhat different that you are seeing from any news agency... colored by whatever slant would put their favored politicians in a better light.

I also know it happens in EVERY other country as well... and in most cases is skewed even worse by other countries news services.

Objective journalism is not only dead, its extinct... they are all run by Partisan Editors with political agendas to push.

Smoothy I have a particular interest in Pakistan, besides we get Al Jazzera here so we get more than one perspective. Things have been very bad there, they seem to have a very virilent form of islamism spilling into the political arena. No doubt the violence is orchestrated. The protests are more about american presence in the region than they are about a rediculously crude film

Tribal law rules and a president is no more than a mayor to the city in which he lives in some nations. Yes we get Al Jazeera here too, and nothing has changed the way those nations/tribes live and think. It is what it is.

Yes nutcase central

Tribal law rules and a president is no more than a mayor to the city in which he lives in some nations. Yes we get Al Jazeera here too, and nothing has changed the way those nations/tribes live and think. It is what it is.

It is what it is?? I remember the sheer horror over the impending Bush theocracy and the mythical "Dominionist" plot of 2011. A widespread Islamist eruption where people are actually dying, a real war on women is being waged and a battle for global domination under Sharia law? It is what it is...

Hey, as long as it's over there, right?

You are absolutely right speech, we can't have freedom for everyone now can we? Fact is we have got to stop being the thought police no matter how wrong we think it is. Someoneelse's culture is their culture and as long as they don't impose it on us, we shouldn't impose ours on them. It takes a long time to change things and we have to accept that.

In some of these places people are centuries apart from us. England has a civil war four hundred years ago, The US two hundred years ago but some of these places have just reached that stage now

Hey, if Muslims want to whack each other perpetually then maybe they'll eliminate the problem themselves, but I happen to believe a child should eat and women shouldn't be treated as property. Still waiting for libs to catch up with us on that instead of wasting their time fretting over "extremist" Republicans.

but I happen to believe a child should eat and women shouldn't be treated as property. Still waiting for libs to catch up with us on that Hello Steve:

Oh, I agree with you, and I'm a lib. The only difference is that I don't think we should start WARS over it... It's a great IDEA to make the world over in our image. It's just not doable.

excon

3 words for you that has replaced all our policies starting with the Obama Adm...
"Responsibility TO Protect " . They used it in Libya ;and they will use it in Syria.

Hello again,

I entered this thread late because I was trying to figure out what the fuss was all about. I STILL don't know.. Yes, the Middle East erupted again. What?? That's NEW? That's Obama's fault? Yes, he miscast a terrorist attack. He should have done it sooner?

Are you saying that he's SOFT on terrorism?? What ARE you saying?

excon

The whole point of this thread is the Obama administration, the guy who promised unprecedented transparency has once again lied through their teeth to the American people, people keep dying because of their incompetence, incoherent foreign policy and total lack of leadership and they need to be finally held accountable. You guys won't do it.

You guys won't do it.Hello again, Steve:

Will this do it for you? It was a terrorist attack. He should have KNOWN sooner. He's a bad man...

excon

LOL, no.

I just can't help but wonder at the media hissy fit that would erupt over Romney calling a terrorist attack, a dead ambassador and widespread violence "bumps in the road", or Israel's concern about Iran just "noise" as the president did yesterday.

I just can't help but wonder at the media hissy fit that would erupt over Romney calling a terrorist attack,Hello again, Steve:

If you're suggesting the media DIDN'T have a hissy fit, then we just have a different idea about WHO the media is...

If you think right wing talk radio together with FOX News doesn't reach MORE people than the "lamestream media" does, then you're living in backwardsville.

excon

Dude, I've posted the numbers many times and the "lamestream media" still dwarfs Fox and talk radio. The three evening news networks alone dwarf ALL cable news, and CNN, MSNBC and HLN combined beat Fox. Talk radio is I believe about 50 million a week, but that includes all aspects of talk radio including left and right leaning shows, sports programming, NPR, etc. Add virtually every newspaper on the planet and your argument holds no water.

your argument holds no water.Hello again, Steve:

Yes, it does..

excon

Post the numbers.

The numbers don't matter, what should be done with the info you get is what's important.

You guys think we should be telling other countries what to do and not to do. Right?

That's the leadership you want with military to back it up and take out our enemies. Right?

Correct me if I am wrong but what kind of leadership should we be presenting?

Evita has gone out of her way to apolgize for a video on Youtube... opps that's right... I mean grovelling publicly and having faux condemnation of free speech,calling the video that mocks Islam "disgusting and reprehensible;"
.Funny thing is that I know for a fact that Evita sat through a performance of 'The Book of Mormon' on Broadway which skewers and mocks the Mormans for the entire show.

The show has been greeted not by protests but rhapsodic reviews and standing ovations from crowds that have included celebrities as diverse as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, actor Jack Nicholson and composer Stephen Sondheim. More than 300 people show up daily for a shot at 14 lottery seats to a musical that is sold out through September.
'Book of Mormon' creators now pushing the edge on Broadway | MLive.com (http://www.mlive.com/tv/index.ssf/2011/06/book_of_mormon_creators_now_pu.html)
I'm sure there were many in the Mormon community that found the show "offensive and reprehensible and disgusting" . But there was Evita enjoying the show and cheering it on with the rest of the audience. Why didn't Evita ask Eric Holder to go after the creators of South Park who authored this insult to the Mormon religion ?

Back to the subject... the White House has been lying about these incidents from the beginning and it's time they came clean. Ambassador Stevens knew he was on a hit list . Where was his protection on the anniversary of the 9-11 attacks . For years we have been told that there would be heightend security on that day for the obvious reason.
The adm may think they can skate past this ;but they can't . Time for them to come clean.

The numbers don't matter, what should be done with the info you get is what's important.

Ex is the one whining about numbers.


You guys think we should be telling other countries what to do and not to do. Right?

I remember a few years back many on your side were urging Bush to "save Darfur." Seems that quite often you want UN troops to go in and rescue some country. Only problem is they just rape and abuse the refugees instead. Your side has no problem with intervening in another country, you just pick your causes like everyone else.


That's the leadership you want with military to back it up and take out our enemies. Right?

Correct me if I am wrong but what kind of leadership should we be presenting?

We aren't presenting any leadership now, just excuses and coverups for those nasty "bumps in the road" to Obama's reelection. That and apologizing for our values like free speech.

Hey, if Muslims want to whack each other perpetually then maybe they'll eliminate the problem themselves, but I happen to believe a child should eat and women shouldn't be treated as property. Still waiting for libs to catch up with us on that instead of wasting their time fretting over "extremist" Republicans.

It's nice for you to have this view Speech, a child should eat, how does that carry over into your own country if you support Republican policies. There is some sort of disconnect here where you have more concern for the children of Muslims than you do for US children and you say the Muslims treat women as property, I'll come back to what I said earlier and remind you we are only a century away from giving women the vote and you are only fifty years away from giving blacks their rights. How dare you come over all self righteous on the rest of the world. Fix your own problems and let Muslims fix theirs

You guys think we should be telling other countries what to do and not to do. Right?



I remember a few years back many on your side were urging Bush to "save Darfur." Seems that quite often you want UN troops to go in and rescue some country. Only problem is they just rape and abuse the refugees instead. Your side has no problem with intervening in another country, you just pick your causes like everyone else.

Wasn't that long ago when the Clintoons led a NATO operation in the Balkans because Muslims were being ethnically cleansed by Serbia. They were willing to risk war against the Russians over the issue.

Tom you know for a long time I have been saying you should not be interferring in other countries. The reason you have the problems you do is because you interfere and tell other countries what they should do. You speak about the yugoslavian civil war, you were not alone in seeking an end to that war and the atrocities of ethnic cleansing and it may yet be necessary to do the same in Syria, but you must not act unilaterally as you did in Iraq.

Muslims have some long standing differences that we probably can't even understand and they have long memories. Blood fueds must be satisfied if they are to live together, barbaric I know, but a cultural thing

Nice spin righties, way to go to twist the facts to fit your views. No wonder you back Mitt, he has a problem with facts and figures too, but he has plenty of SPIN, and loads of red meat.

but you must not act unilaterally as you did in Iraq we had a huge coalition What are you talking about ? Oh I know... you mean that we must submit national interest to UN approval .

Have you gone troppo, there was no national interest in Iraq, just unfinished Bush business. The embargo's had already bled Iraq dry, you could have sat there twenty years until Saddam died or was assassinated. You chose to believe the lies of Iraqi expatriates who used you get get back into power. It was the snow job of the century, how to steal a country and bankrupt its enemies. You were used to do the hatchet work for the Saudi's who laughed all the way to the bank and what did you get for your trouble, some nice defence contracts? And some nice catering contracts?

Tom, we are over the B/S all right, we put up with it right through the Bush era

, there was no national interest in Iraq umm we led the no fly zone enforcement for a decade . That was a UN operation wasn't it ?

Look ,the US has to decide what it wants to be. If we want to lead the world as we have then we can't retreat from the world as you and the Obots prefer. If we want to be lead by the bogus international organization called the UN , or the Europeans ,then Obama's your man.


You talk of B/S ? Why don't you ask Putin about the lie Obama told him to convince Putin to give the UN go ahead for a "no fly zone" in Libya . Do you really think he signed on to a plan to wack QDaffy and regime change ?

If we want to lead the world as we have...?But you don't lead the world. How incredibly arrogant.

Yeah we should get behind Canada's leadership. Canada can't defend it's islands from the Danes.

Wow, that's really relevant. What island?
Anyway, our aim isn't to lead the world, we are just our own country... of nice folks. :-)

Well you will have to open your piggy banks and beef up your military to defend the Arctic from the Russians who claim just about whole ocean as a Russian lake.. . The Danes ? Didn't they go to the Hans Islands and plant their flag on Canadian territory ?

They can claim what they want, there's nothing going on there. Why do you feel this is relevant?
You seem to thrive on conflict.

Some Americans would rather fight than talk and what do you expect but bluster from a political party that's about the money, and their own capitalistic interests?

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism)

No ,the world has a choice to make too. WE can withdraw from the world ;cut off the spigot of US aid ,and let y'all fend for yourselves . But behind closed doors ;when no one in the press is listening ;I know that the sentiment is different .
Day one... any nation who allowed violent mobs with rage fueled by the rhetoric of the clerics ,breach the walls of our embassies and planted the AQ flag will have ALL foreign aid suspended ;and their ambassadors expelled until they can prove that they can safeguard our embassies and all US personel .

Day one ..... any nation who allowed violent mobs with rage fueled by the rhetoric of the clerics ,breach the walls of our embassies and planted the AQ flag will have ALL foreign aid suspended ;and their ambassadors expelled until they can prove that they can safeguard our embassies and all US personel .Sounds reasonable enough.

Yeah we don't worry about mobs anymore, or armed rebellion by the citizens. Those A holes have had a year to get it together and that's sufficient isn't it?

I don't give a rat's a** if they ever "get it together " . If they attack the US through surrogate rent a mobs then they have to suffer consequences.

It's nice for you to have this view Speech, a child should eat, how does that carry over into your own country if you support Republican policies. there is some sort of disconnect here where you have more concern for the children of Muslims than you do for US children and you say the Muslims treat women as property, I'll come back to what I said earlier and remind you we are only a century away from giving women the vote and you are only fifty years away from giving blacks their rights. How dare you come over all self righteous on the rest of the world. Fix your own problems and let Muslims fix theirs

Clete that answer is full of so much bullsh*t I don't know where to begin. I didn't realize we had a bunch of starving children here, everyone keeps telling me they're obese. Oh wait, we do have starving children now because they apparently don't like the black beans and hummus for lunch (http://townhall.com/columnists/kyleolson/2012/09/23/complaints_mount_against_michelle_obamas_new_lunch _menu) that Michelle Obama wants them to eat.

Beyond that , why don't you just take your own advice and stop with the self-righteous BS, you don't seem to have a clue as to how we take care of our own beyond the liberal narrative you apparently think is gospel. We'll take care of our own and then some.

I didn't realize we had a bunch of starving children here, everyone keeps telling me they're obese. Hello again, Steve:

Although I doubt you'll understand this, obesity is a SIGN of starvation...

Clete is right on.

excon

We Are Hungry - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IB7NDUSBOo)

Hello again, Steve:

Although I doubt you'll understand this, obesity is a SIGN of starvation...

Clete is right on.

excon

LOL, do I need to buy you a dictionary? First it was "process", then "allow" and "suppress" and now obesity. You have bloat from malnutrition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwashiorkor) confused with eating too many Fritos while playing video games.

Damn and all these years we thought fat people just ate too much because they always seem to have something in their mouths, or in their hands ready to put in their mouths.. at least all the fat people I know personally.

Hello again,

See?? I KNEW you wouldn't get it... Maybe it's TOO subtle for the right wing brain... You don't get that the drug war is Jim Crow laws in disguise. That's too nuanced for you, too.

But, I'm TRYING.

excon

I guess I was never trained to hear those dog whistles.

Is that anything like saying she's a really active person for someone on life support because she's brain dead?

I don't give a rat's a** if they ever "get it together " . If they attack the US through surrogate rent a mobs then they have to suffer consequences.

So the peaceful ones have to suffer your disdain along with the rabble rousers?

So the peaceful ones have to suffer your disdain along with the rabble rousers?

That's life... and that's how its ALWAYS been. and that's how it will always be.

The peaceful ones have a responsibility to take care of the trouble makers or suffer with the results of their actions due to complicity.. E.G. You are out with your thug buddies... they stop by the bank to get some money... you are in the car... they rob the bank and kill someone... YOU get charged with a capitol crime even if you didn't actively have a part just for being in the same car.

So should we put YOU in jail for voting for GWB?? I think so, its your fault he became president.

They say you can't go to jail for stupidity but it should be a crime

So should we put YOU in jail for voting for GWB??? I think so, its your fault he became president.
He didn't commit a crime, nor was he ever convicted of one... Bill Clinton who you probably did vote for actually did and was convicted of it, The Only reason Hillary wasn't for her contempt was the lefties shielded her... if you or I refused to turn over ordered documents that were later found in our house... we would have both been doing time for it.

Obama isn't beyond being charge and tried yet either... he will be out of office soon enough...

They say you can't go to jail for stupidity but it should be a crime

THe ENtire Democrat party would have to go to jail... and there aren't enough cells... but we could do what England did... ship them to you. But I'm sure you don't want them either.

THe ENtire Democrat party would have to go to jail...and there aren't enough cells....but we could do what England did.....ship them to you. But I'm sure you don't want them either.

As I recalled they shipped them over there before they shipped them here, but point taken we don't want anyoneelse's idiots


From my viewpoint, it would seem there is a great deal of questionable behaviour in the ruling circles over there, it is as if public office is an excuse to write your own rules

As I recalled they shipped them over there before they shipped them here, but point taken we don't want anyoneelse's idiots


From my viewpoint, it would seem there is a great deal of questionable behaviour in the ruling circles over there, it is as if public office is an excuse to write your own rules

Nope... they weren't shipping them here... the people coming here were fed up with what they were putting up with at home, the US Colonies were never a penal colony...

The Democrat party feels anything is OK as long as its only them that gets to do it.

Nope...they weren't shipping them here....the people coming here were fed up with what they were putting up with at home, the US Colonies were never a penal colony...

The Democrat party feels anything is OK as long as its only them that gets to do it.

As you said the US wasn't a penal colony persee, but you are making up for it now so the same thinking that infested eighteenth century England must have taken root in the colonies. I guess those dissatisfied with British justice realised it had its usefullness.

As far as the political process is concerned, I don't see a lot of difference, just swapping one set of cronies for another

Yesterday Obama lied again to the UN overplaying the role some 2 bit Youtube video has on the riots in the ummah. I did not understand why he continued to cling to this fiction until it was pointed out to me that the full length movie about the wacking of OBL ;that had been scheduled to be released next month as the victory lap;high five, October surprise ;has now been delayed until after the election .

The President and his minions have been adamant that the US has nothing to do with the video ;however ,it is alleged that the White House gave a lot of assistance to film director Kathryn Bigelow in her making of 'Zero Dark Thirty' .

The mobs outside the embassy in Cairo and other places have chanted 'we are Osama Obama' . So imagine how that mob will react when a full length Hollywierd production about the hunting down and killing of OBL is released.

..however ,it is alleged that the White House gave alot of assistance to film director Kathryn Bigelow in her making of 'Zero Dark Thirty' .Man I'd love to see some evidence of that. Do you have any?

That's why I used the word "alleged " . You want me to produce evidence of an allegation ?

Will you take CNN as a source ?
E-mails show White House support for bin Laden movie – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs (http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/28/e-mails-show-white-house-support-for-bin-laden-movie/)


Newly released e-mails show the Obama administration was eager to help the makers of an upcoming documentary on the dramatic raid that led to the death of Osama bin Laden - and the e-mails are likely to once again raise questions about whether the filmmakers had special access.

The records from the CIA and Defense Department were made public Tuesday by the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said the e-mails indicate the Obama administration "played fast and loose with national security information to help Hollywood filmmakers," and that there was no doubt the "White House was intensely interested in this film that was set to portray President Obama as 'gutsy'" - a reference to one of the e-mails that said the raid "was a gutsy decision" by the president.

The e-mails indicate filmmaker Kathryn Bigelow, screenwriter Mark Boal and other members of their team were given special access to senior administration officials just weeks after the May 1, 2011, raid as they researched their movie entitled "Zero Dark Thirty," originally scheduled to come out in October but now delayed until after the presidential election.

Well there you are Tom it's no longer an allegation, CNN makes it fact?

Hello again, wingers:

So, assisting a film maker who wants to make a POSITIVE film for you is WRONG?? What planet are you living on?

excon

So Tom is defending Islam now?

imagine how that mob will react when a full length Hollywierd production about the hunting down and killing of OBL is released.Hello again, tom:

Muslims don't like the west to diss Mohammed... But, there's no evidence that they mind us dissing Ben Laden... If they were going to riot, doncha think they would have done it when we killed him??

You really don't know what's going on over there, do you? Oh, right... They hate us for our freedoms...

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Hello again, tom:

Muslims don't like the west to diss Mohammed... But, there's no evidence that they mind us dissing Ben Laden... If they were going to riot, doncha think they would have done it when we killed him?

Aren't you glad I have such a great memory to keep you on track?


Protesters condemn 'brutal killing' of bin Laden (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42927020/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/t/protesters-condemn-brutal-killing-bin-laden/#.UGMKXa7pzKc)
'Jihad against America will not stop with the death of Osama,' Pakistani cleric says

Muslims in the Philippines, Indonesia and Pakistan protested Friday over the killing of Osama bin Laden, with one cleric vowing the holy war against the U.S. "will not stop with the death of Osama."

People in the crowds referred to the former al-Qaida leader as a martyr.

In Manila, Philippine police used anti-riot shields to stop a march on the U.S. Embassy by dozens of Muslims.

The marchers, who set off from Manila's main mosque, were prevented from reaching the boulevard leading to the seaside embassy compound after Friday's noon prayers. The protesters later dispersed peacefully.

Protest leader and Islamic cleric Alim Jamil Yahya said he condemned the "brutal killing" of bin Laden and described the al-Qaida founder's burial at sea as a desecration of his body.

He said that although many Muslims did not agree with bin Laden's methods, they still revered him as a martyr because he fought for freedom against oppression by "the satanic U.S. hegemony."


This just in from London-istan: Violent clashes outside U.S. Embassy after hundreds of UK Muslims stage mock funeral for 'murdered' Bin Laden (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384344/Osama-Bin-Laden-death-UK-Muslims-stage-mock-funeral-outside-US-Embassy.html#ixzz27aIg1L7S)

By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 09:03 EST, 7 May 2011

Violent clashes broke out around the world today as thousands of supporters of Osama bin Laden took to the streets to protest at the Al-Qaeda leader's death.

While many protests took place across the Muslim world, the most extraordinary took place in London, where hundreds of supporters gathered at the U.S. embassy to stage a mock 'funeral service' for the slain terror leader.

The violence erupted just days after the city - often dubbed London-istan because of its reputation for Islamic extremism - was branded a major recruiting ground for Al Qaeda.

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More images (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384276/Osama-Bin-Laden-death-revenge-Muslim-fury-erupts-Friday-prayers.html#ixzz27aJnDXOl):
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Flag on fire: Pakistani protesters burn a representation of the Star and Stripes in protest against the killing of Osama Bin Laden in Multan

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Indonesia: The Al Kaida group, which took a public oath to avenge the death of Bin Laden

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Devotion: An Islamist kisses a picture of Osama Bin Laden during a protest in Cairo

Yesterday Obama lied again to the UN overplaying the role some 2 bit Youtube video has on the riots in the ummah.

Even though virtually everyone else knows it's a lie (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/26/14105135-libyan-president-to-nbc-anti-islam-film-had-nothing-to-do-with-us-consulate-attack?lite).


An anti-Islam film that sparked violent protests in many countries had “nothing to do with” a deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi earlier this month, Libya’s president told NBC News.

In an exclusive interview with NBC News’ Ann Curry, President Mohamed Magarief discounted claims that the attack was in response to a movie produced in California and available on YouTube. He noted that the assault happened on Sept. 11 and that the video had been available for months before that.

“Reaction should have been, if it was genuine, should have been six months earlier. So it was postponed until the 11th of September,” he said. “They chose this date, 11th of September to carry a certain message.”

Magarief said there were no protesters at the site before the attack, which he noted came in two assaults, first with rocket-propelled grenades on the consulate, then with mortars at a safe house.

The White House knew this was the work of terrorists in less than 24 hours (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/26/u-s-officials-knew-libya-attacks-were-work-of-al-qaeda-affiliates.html), in direct contradiction to their story five days later.

When will the media hold them accountable? When will you libs here do the same?

When will the media hold them accountable? When will you libs here do the same?Hello again, Steve:

Talk about memory... I held him accountable just yesterday... I SAID he should have known it was terrorism sooner, and I SAID he was a bad guy for missing it... What I DON'T think, is that he's in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood like you guys do.

What else do you want? Do you want me to call him a socialist Marxist Kenyon hell bent on destroying the American way of life?? Well, it ain't going to happen...

excon

Nah you don't have to call him Kenyan .

Hello again, Steve:

Talk about memory... I held him accountable just yesterday... I SAID he should have known it was terrorism sooner, and I SAID he was a bad guy for missing it... What I DON'T think, is that he's in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood like you guys do.

What else do you want? Do you want me to call him a socialist Marxist Kenyon hell bent on destroying the American way of life??? Well, it ain't gonna happen...

excon

I must have missed that yesterday, just like I missed where I thought he was in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood. Is that one of those dog whistle thingies I can't hear?

My point about bringing up the movie is that we know that the attack on Stevens was the mission;that the attacks on the Cairo embassy was a ruse . That they have spread is because of the initial effectiveness of the attacks. Now knowing the attack was retaliation for the killing of AQ's 2nd in command... Abu Yahya al-Libi (ie.. from Libya ) ;what will be their reaction to a chest bumping full length celebration of OBL ?
Don't get me wrong... I plan on going to see it opening weekend and will cheer with the best of them.
I think Obama is lying about the video to imply this is about disrespect for Islam because his bs that if you wack OBL the war on jihadistan is over has been tragically proven a fantasy.

Still better than that crazy mexican mormon.

The Mormon was smart enough to work hard enough and make a fortune when he grew up in poverty... He wasn't a Kennedy who inherited their money.

Unlike Obama who grew up and lived a life of privilege... who only made what money he has selling two books to a bunch of fools.

... when he grew up in poverty....Romney? LOL! You have no idea what you are talking about... again.

Unlike Obama who grew up and lived a life of privledge......who only made what money he has selling two books to a bunch of fools.Are you a lawyer? What is your profession?

Romney? LOL! You have no idea what you are talking about ... again.

You are just Jealous that Romney is smarter and has more business sense than you have.

You are just Jealous that Romney is smarter and has more business sense than you have.He grew up in one of the country's most affluent neighborhoods. You were so wrong about his growing up poor. So very wrong.

You are just Jealous that Romney is smarter and has more business sense than you have.

Very disengenuous of you, there is no evidence to support your claim

He grew up in one of the country's most affluent neighborhoods. You were so wrong about his growing up poor. so very wrong.

Right.. the Canadian who wasn't around at the time is who we are supposed to take the word of?

very disengenuous of you, there is no evidence to support your claim

Need proof... how rich did he get? How many people does he have working for him? At what age did he retire?

Whom of us are still working because we AREN'T that rich... or because we don't have underlings to do everything for us.

Hey... I can say that, because its true.

I'm also not claiming to be smarter than Romney unlike so many Democrats who haven't even come close to the success level I have much less what Romney has achieved.

People don't spend their life working service industry jobs because they like it... they do it because they aren't smart enough to do better.

If I was as smart as Mitt and had as much business sense I'd be retired right now myself, or rolling in the money while I have others doing all the work for me... but I'm not, and I'm not even close to it. Though I do make good money I don't really have to work all that hard to make, sweat or get dirty... In some parts of the world I'd be considered rich... and in fact I make a damn good wage compared to Europeans doing anything remotely similar... Because I'm one of less that 100 people in the country with the background and skill-set that I have, and one of even fewer that are actually doing it.

Unfortunately it doesn't translate to financial independence or being able to tell my employer to go get stuffed.

But it does allow me to have several Mercedes Benz (as in more than two) in my driveway.

smoothy have you noticed you are raving?

No one expects you to match Romney, in fact with his reputation for creating unemployment who would want to. Remember his fortune was won at the expense of others.

Now I am not rich by the standards of some, in fact my tax rate is lower than Romneys, nor do I have hot and cold running flunkeys, which you seem to consider desirable, but money is only good to buy what you need; beyond that...

Remember his fortune was won at the expense of others.

Thousands of workers in many companies owe their jobs to his business sense.

And thousands more are on the unemployment lines because of him. Hey I know how this thing works buy a company strip it of its assets, fire it's employees and sell it off

and thousands more are on the unemployment lines because of him
I can tell you the companies he helped get off the ground or saved and the number of employees they have . At best you guys come up with a couple that went belly up ;and would've gone belly up with or without Romney .

Hello again,

His job WASN'T to save jobs.. It was to make a profit. THAT he did. Sure he CREATED some jobs, and he DESTROYED some jobs. That's what businessmen do. Get over it.

NONE of that qualifies or disqualifies him to be president...

The ONE thing that DOES qualify him to be president is his SIGNATURE law that he got passed in Ma. Oh, that's right... He CAN'T mention that...

Santorum was right... In terms of the hated Obamacare, he's absolutely the WRONG guy to run against it... I don't know WHY you guys love to shoot yourselves in the foot, but the prize was bigger this time... Two and maybe THREE Supreme Court Justices... That's going to shape the ENTIRE 21st Century...

excon

Agreed... The Repubics have a habit of playing their B team. But the shine has come off Obama's halo too. This is resembling the Kerry -McCain contest... the consolation round . Obama is polling like Kerry did in 2004, and Romney is polling like McCain did in 2008. This election is like the NFL counting on fans watching games officiated by Lingerie League rejects . We the people get to vote against the other side's loser.

"I do not know if the people of the United States would vote for superior men if they ran for office, but there can be no doubt that such men do not run.” (Alexis de Tocqueville 'Democracy in America')

It is what it is Tom, you guys have your guy, we have ours. You can't cry because your guy ain't who YOU want!

No telling where the poll would be if Newt, Rick, or Herman had gotten the nomination. Or if Mitt was running a BETTER campaign. Did I leave out Michele??

Tal you know these guys are who they are. They aren't world beaters just politicians. This is why they don't have solutions for the economy, it was their sort of thinking that caused the problem. What amazes me is the Christain right is so close to these people, after all the system they espouse is the opposite of Christian principles

Yeah Jesus was a commie

yeah Jesus was a commieHello again, tom:

He kind of WAS, wasn't he?

excon

yeah Jesus was a commie
Well the republican party is certainly not following his teachings that's for sure.

Obama has been dodging the question about the attack on Ambassador Stevens by saying he is waiting for the FBI's investigation.

Now it is revealed that the FBI has not begun an investigation at the site yet over 2 weeks after the attack. CNN National Security Analyst Fran Townsend says the FBI has not ventured past Tripoli in their pursuit of the truth . CNN also reports that the State Department hasn't secured the consulate since the attack, despite a direct requests from the FBI.That means that an investigation of the site is pretty much a meaningless venture at this point since it is highly probable that evidence has been removed and/or tampered with .

Also AQ leader Ayman al Zawahiri's brother has claimed credit as an organizer of the Cairo protest;which gives credence to the claim that the Cairo riots and the attack on the Ambassador was a coordinated event. I'm sure the Obots have been doing their best to keep the lid on this information until after the election . But the web of deceit is unravelling .

Hello again, tom:

He kinda WAS, wasn't he?

excon

No actually he liked capitalism... Matthew 25 14-30

Matthew 25 14-30That's one nasty Jesus.

No actually he liked capitalism ... Matthew 25 14-30Hello again, tom:

Well, he was Jew... But he believed in taking care of his fellow man, didn't he?? He wasn't for throwing them off the cliff, was he?? If so, those are even BETTER reasons I'm NOT a Christian..

excon

You want me to quote some Old Testament ?

you want me to quote some Old Testament ?
Oh please, I like fictional tales!

Hello again, tom:

Well, he was Jew... But he believed in taking care of his fellow man, didn't he??? He wasn't for throwing them off the cliff, was he???

Unlike what Obama preaches he did believe in such things - personally and through the church. Jesus NEVER, EVER preached a government Robin Hood gospel of taking from the rich and giving it to the poor.

Throughout the bible it is a message of personal, voluntary sacrifice and for some inexplicable reason you lefties seem to have contempt for us giving of ourselves to help others instead of channeling everything through a corrupt, extremely inefficient federal government. Makes no sense, dude.

...giving of ourselves to help others ...
Lefties do this too, so do atheists, so do jews, it isn't a "righty" feature, not by a long shot.

you want me to quote some Old Testament ?

Why don't you quote some New Testament, doesn't it fit with your thinking?

Clete I already did if you would've looked first.

you lefties seem to have contempt for us giving of ourselves to help others instead of channeling everything through a corrupt, extremely inefficient federal government. Makes no sense, dude.Hello again, Steve:

You're WONDERFUL people... Nonetheless, I have contempt for ANY party that would FORCE a women to have a baby she didn't want. You want the extremely inefficient FEDERAL government to police THAT. Makes no sense to me, Dude.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

You're WONDERFUL people... Nonetheless, I have contempt for ANY party that would FORCE a women to have a baby she didn't want. You want the extremely inefficient FEDERAL government to police THAT. Makes no sense to me, Dude.

excon

Me either.

lefties do this too, so do atheists, so do jews, it isn't a "righty" feature, not by a long shot.

If I had ever even remotely implied it was the exclusive domain of "rightys" then you might have a point, but as always you deflect from the point actually raised in a weak effort to impugn me.

The point was why does the left seem to have contempt for us preferring private charity than channeling everything through a corrupt, inefficient government?

Hello again, Steve:

You're WONDERFUL people... Nonetheless, I have contempt for ANY party that would FORCE a women to have a baby she didn't want. You want the extremely inefficient FEDERAL government to police THAT. Makes no sense to me, Dude.

excon

I just love children more than you I guess.

The point was why does the left seem to have contempt for us preferring private charity than channeling everything through a corrupt, inefficient government?They don't.

Here's a thought: maybe making changes so that your government is not corrupt and inefficient would worth your time and effort.

That's why we want the Dems voted out

that's why we want the Dems voted outYou think your politicians are not part of the corrupt inefficient ones? Oh dear, you have the blinders on.

They don't.

Yes they do.

Hello again, Steve:

I've been following closely.. I still can't see the SIGNIFICANCE of the miscalculation Obama made. Terrorists attacked us. It took him a few days to recognize it. So?

Do you think that makes him weak? Really?? The DRONE president?? The DEAD Ben Laden president?? That president??

excon

Obama's campaign meme... we killed Bin Laden and destroyed AQ... there have been no terrorist attacks on our watch... oh yeah and we saved GM .

Well that got shot to hell if he admits AQ successfully attacked and wacked a US Ambassador. Gee when was the last time that happened ? The last Ambassador that got killed was in a plane crash that killed a Paki President . Before that ;a US Ambassador had not been targeted and killed since the 1970s .So who was asleep at the wheel ?
Even bigger question is that knowing what they knew ? Why did Evita send Susan Rice to be the sacrificial lamb spouting to the nation the clear lie that this was about videos ?

Eli Lake of Newsweek had been unravelling this story string by string and the more he finds ;the more he reveals that the State Dept knew in advance about the threat to the Ambassador, and did nothing.

Eli Lake of Newsweek had been unravelling this story string by stringHello again, tom:

If he's the guy that told you the Ambassador was raped by his Libyan guards, then I'd find a more credible source. Maybe briebart.com. They know stuff.

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Why is the Obama administration treating the results of the Autopsy like Obamas college transcripts? It was performed in Germany in Landstuhl on the US Army base. What are they hiding and why?

Hello again, Steve:

I've been following closely.. I still can't see the SIGNIFICANCE of the miscalculation Obama made. Terrorists attacked us. It took him a few days to recognize it. So?

Do you think that makes him weak? Really??? The DRONE president??? The DEAD Ben Laden president??? That president???

excon

It didn't take him days, they knew in hours. It's a PATTERN of lies from this administration. You think Bush lied? Obama is Bush on STEROIDS.

Hello again, tom:

If he's the guy that told you the Ambassador was raped by his Libyan guards, then I'd find a more credible source. Maybe briebart.com. They know stuff.

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

I never brought up the allegations of rape. Eli Lake is a very credible reporter and to my knowledge has not reported anything that is unsubstantiated .
Eli Lake is the national security correspondent for Newsweek He was previously a State Department correspondent for the UPI. He is also a contributing editor for The New Republic.

Hello again, tom:

If he's the guy that told you the Ambassador was raped by his Libyan guards, then I'd find a more credible source. Maybe briebart.com. They know stuff.

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

So even if it's the truth it should be disregarded because of the source? Even Dems are demanding answers (http://washingtonexaminer.com/dems-join-chorus-questioning-obama-on-attack/article/2509261) now led by John Kerry. I don't get it, if this were Bush there would 4 threads demanding his and Cheney's head on a platter, but you are apparently fine with Obama lying to you and campaigning instead of dealing with a terrorist attack that killed an ambassador.

but you are apparently fine with Obama lying to you and campaigning instead of dealing with a terrorist attack that killed an ambassador.Hello again, Steve:

So, you don't think the DRONE president is looking for 'em with DRONES??

I didn't see a lie. I saw a miscalculation. Look. Didn't he wait too long to declare the Army major a terrorist?? He DID, didn't he? Did that miscalculation END the world? Nope. Did it CHANGE it much? Nope.

I'm STILL missing something... Unless, you wingers are grasping at straws cause your candidate is going down. That could be it...

excon

The only reason you're missing anything is you aren't paying attention. Or more likely, just don't care that Obama is consistently lying to you.

As I remember it 911 was tied to Saddam, so maybe we better chill until the real facts are found out.

Bet you guys would just love the Prez to stop campaigning and hunt for the terrorist himself. That didn't work out for McCain either.

As I remember it 911 was tied to Saddam You remember wrong ;or perhaps you can find the quote or source where President Bush or anyone in his adm directly made the link that Saddam was behind 9-11.

You remember wrong ;or perhaps you can find the quote or source where President Bush or anyone in his adm directly made the link that Saddam was behind 9-11.

The impact of Bush linking 9/11 and Iraq / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html)

Hey have you noticed the crisis is over

From the 2nd paragraph of your link... "Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. "
I thank you for proving my point.

Hey ! History let's get back to the present

from the 2nd paragraph of your link... "Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. "

But there's more.

Yet the White House appears to be encouraging this false impression, as it seeks to maintain American support for a possible war against Iraq and demonstrate seriousness of purpose to Hussein's regime.

The only reason you're missing anything is you aren't paying attention. Or more likely, just don't care that Obama is consistently lying to you.

BenghaziGate... the President and Evita sent Ambassador Rice on all the major network Sunday shows to advance the lie that the attack on Ambassador Stevens was directly linked to a YouTube video days after they knew the truth. That lie was reinforced by daily press briefings by White House press secretary Jay Carney.(Baghdad Bob).

The President continues to cling to that fiction in interviews and speeches like his address to the UN.
To further bolster their false narrative they chillingly unleashed the Justice Dept on the video maker and arrested him on some minor inconsequential parol violation,sending the message to the world that the US will come down hard legally on anyone who dare speak out against Islam. It is interesting that they would concentrate on that video ,and not on one created by AQ leader
Ayman al-Zawahri calling on jihadists to avenge the death of his 2nd in command , Yahya al-Libi(ie from Libya), killed in a U.S. drone attack.

They are covering up the now known fact that there was plenty of indication that the Ambassador was personally at risk .Still they didn't even bother to take the precautions of beefing up US security in the region on the anniverary of 9-11 . This after they knew that the counsellate in Benghazi had previously been attacked by bomb in June. Perhaps if he had attended some of the daily national security briefings he would know these basic facts.

The President continues to cling to that fiction in interviews and speeches like his address to the UN. Hello again, tom:

I've been asking what the fuss is all about, but nobody here can tell me.. I was watching Hannity last night and HE told me...

It was like I thought... Obama made a speech in Cairo, and you right wingers THOUGHT he solved the Middle East forever.. When you found out he DIDN'T, it was PROOF that his foreign policy is in shambles and he should be replaced by Mitt Romney...

Boy, you guys are really unhappy that Romney is going to LOSE, aren't you?

excon

Hello again, tom:

I've been asking what the fuss is all about, but nobody here can tell me.. I was watching Hannity last night and HE told me...

It was like I thought... Obama made a speech in Cairo, and you right wingers THOUGHT he solved the Middle East forever.. When you found out he DIDN'T, it was PROOF that his foreign policy is in shambles and he should be replaced by Mitt Romney...

Boy, you guys are really unhappy that Romney is
gonna LOSE, aren't you?

excon

You've learned the Obama way well my son. No matter what, keep advancing the false narrative.

You've learned the Obama way well my son. No matter what, keep advancing the false narrative.Hello again, Steve:

Well, what's the RIGHT narrative? That the Middle East is in shambles and that Obama didn't stop it? Duh!

excon

PS> (edited) Look, Steve. I'm up on world affairs. I want to know who's screwing it up. But, to find out that the Middle East is a dangerous place, and that they want to kill us, ISN'T surprising. That they got away with another attack, is NOT surprising... That Obama was SLOW to grasp it, is NOT surprising... That you think there's some sort of conspiracy and/or coverup in the White House over it, is NOT surprising...

But, that you think it means the end of the world is pretty surprising...

No not the end of the world... just the end of the Obama Presidency and his phoney narrative that he ended the war on terrorism by wacking OBL and subverting the victory in Iraq.

Hello tom:

I can SMELL the desperation on you. It don't smell good.

excon

Obama can screw up until the cows come home, NOBODY thinks Mitt can do better. Like Grover said he won't be making policy just signing where they tell him. Have you forgotten what he told the donors at his 47% lunch? There is nothing he can do about the situation in the rest of the world.

Just curious. What will you guys do if Mitt loses?

Washington Post details the incompetence of the security arrangement in Benghazi.
In Libya, security was lax before attack that killed U.S. ambassador, officials say - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-libya-security-was-lax-prior-to-deadly-attack/2012/09/29/a56ffca0-0992-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html?hpid=z1)

But as Stevens met with Benghazi civic leaders, U.S. officials appear to have underestimated the threat facing both the ambassador and other Americans. They had not reinforced the U.S. diplomatic outpost there to meet strict safety standards for government buildings overseas. Nor had they posted a U.S. Marine detachment, as at other diplomatic sites in high-threat regions.

Just curious. What will you guys do if Mitt loses?
Haven't considered that possibility .

Haven't considered that possibility .http://www.u-tax.co.uk/blog/image.axd?picture=%2f2012%2f07%2fhead-in-sand.jpg

Washington Post details the incompetence of the security arrangement in Benghazi.Hello again, tom:

Yes, it was a mistake... What it WASN'T was a conspiracy and coverup. You guys ARE desperate...

By the way.. Your news source said "U.S. Officials" decided NOT to bulk up security... Would one of those U.S. Officials BE the ambassador himself?? I think it WOULD be..

excon

No I don't think that's true . His diary tells a different story. The lie and conspiracy was the cover story the Adm attempted to forward to deflect blame.The coverup is the continued insistence that the attack can be in any way attributed to a YouTube video.

The coverup is the continued insistance that the attack can be in any way attributed to a YouTube video.Hello again, tom:

Nahhhh... A COVERUP is when you have something you're HIDING... What, exactly, are they hiding?

You're candidate is Losing badly... You're looking for ANYTHING that might save him, and you're grabbing at straws. That's what this manufactured coverup comes from...

Good luck with that.

excon

No I don't think that's true . His diary tells a different story. The lie and conspiracy was the cover story the Adm attempted to forward to deflect blame.The coverup is the continued insistance that the attack can be in any way attributed to a YouTube video.

They have been using videos and news clips of politicians for years in the middle east as recruitment tools and talking points. The goal is to inflame and throw red meat at low information muslims. Its for power and control for the church, much the same as conservatives here.

They too want a weak central government and the elites and churches to rule over the masses in social issues. They too dealing plots and conspiraies too.

It's amazing... nothing that is a scandal or controversy is a big thing worthy of comment and investigation... Benghazi-gate ;Fast and Furious cover-ups stone walling... aint no biggie.

it's amazing ... nothing that is a scandal or controversy is a big thing worthy of comment and investigation... Hello again, tom:

When you have the top Senate Republican saying his major objective is to see that Obama is a one term president, and you have Darrell Issa saying (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/24/issa-calls-obama-admin-the-most-corrupt-government-in-history/) Obama is the "most corrupt president in history" with NO evidence to back it up, I'd have to say that you're looking for a scandal just a little too hard.

Now, I'm all for scandals... We have one too, and that's the Republicans suppressing the vote... But, you don't want to talk about THAT scandal

excon

Univision's new expose on Fast and Furious will finally put it into the national debate . They are doing the job the Obama compliant press won't .

Univision’s new expose on Fast and Furious will finally put it into the national debate . They are doing the job the Obama compliant press won't .Hello again, tom:

Great... I can't wait for them to expose the conspiracy Obama is perpetrating in order to confiscate ALL the guns in his second term..

THAT'S why this stuff doesn't hang on... IF it was REAL to start with, the LIES the Republicans are telling about it, overshadow the scandal, IF there ever was one.

excon

Nah no biggie . Thousands of guns smuggled into the country by a foreign government resulting in 100s of dead Mexicans. One could argue that was an act of war .

Nah no biggie . Thousands of guns smuggled into the country by a foreign government resulting in 100s of dead Mexicans. One could argue that was an act of war .Hello again, tom:

Yeah. It WAS a stupid program. But, the part you guys DON'T get is that it was a low level operation that neither Obama or Holder KNEW of. Even the IG said so. But, you STILL want to make a big deal out of it.. That has the look and feel of DESPERATION... Frankly, it always did.

If you WANT a scandal, look into WHY the Republicans kept HIRING this lying, cheating, company who committed voter FRAUD. What did Romney know, and when did he know it?

Or, why don't you mention the CRIME Ronald Regan perpetrated with Ollie North??

excon

I'm on record as being a critic of the Iran Contra. As I recall that was thorougly investigated by an independent prosecutor , and it resulted in criminal charges for 14 people ;four were convicted of felony charges by a jury ; seven pleaded guilty either to felonies or misdemeanors, and one had his case dismissed.
So tell me the name of the independent prosecutor for Fast And Furious??

So tell me the name of the independent prosecutor for Fast And Furious ????Hello again, tom:

Tell me the CRIME they're suspected of perpetrating, and I'll join you in your call for a prosecutor. When Reagan broke the law, it was CLEAR that a CRIME had been perpetrated... All you got here, is a bunch of fuming Republicans making stuff up. We don't usually hire prosecutors to investigate conspiracy theories.

excon

So people being murdered, including a Border Patrol agent, and letting guns walk explicitly against ATF policy, not to mention the blatant obstruction of the investigation, is just "fuming Republicans making stuff up."

Oh yeah, "Mexican authorities estimate 300 of their citizens have been injured or killed by Fast and Furious guns."

Read more: 'Furious' guns tied to 2010 Juarez massacre, other murders in Mexico | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/01/report-claims-to-have-found-57-more-guns-tied-to-operation-fast-and-furious/#ixzz283LmeCS6)

But they're just Mexicans, right?

P.S. Univision is about to create quite a stir about F&F (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/29/fast-and-furious-back-in-headlines-as-univision-reportedly-finds-more-victims/?print=1).

So people being murdered, including a Border Patrol agent, and letting guns walk explicitly against ATF policy, Hello again, Steve:

Yes, it was a BOTCHED low level operation. Tell me, in ENGLISH, what CRIME Obama and Holder are suspected of committing.

Look. I KNOW you hate them. If they're crooks, I want to put 'em away too. I just want to know what they did. I've been asking, and NEITHER of you guys can tell me. Therefore, I conclude, they did NOTHING.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, it was a BOTCHED low level operation. Tell me, in ENGLISH, what CRIME Obama and Holder are suspected of committing.

Look. I KNOW you hate them. If they're crooks, I wanna put 'em away too. I just wanna know what they did. I've been asking, and NEITHER of you guys can tell me. Therefore, I conclude, they did NOTHING.

excon

So your only threshold for holding someone accountable is a crime committed. What is it they were wanting Bush executed for? I personally believe obstruction at a minimum, accessory to murder, and if nothing else a bunch of people need to be FIRED. I'm sure the families of all those innocent who were killed or injured could think of plenty of things they should be charged with. You? Apparently no big deal since a Democratic administration is in charge.

F&F was a bungled policy yes ;but the IG report clearly identifies high ranking members of the Justice Dept for wrongdoing... possibly criminal . It is more likely in the coverup where crimes have been committed . But we won't know without an investigation now will we ?

So your only threshold for holding someone accountable is a crime committed. Hello again, Steve:

To hold them LEGALLY accountable, identifying a crime would be helpful. Otherwise, it's a witch hunt.

If you want to hold them POLITICALLY accountable, you're free to vote for the other guy...

excon

Hello again, Steve:

To hold them LEGALLY accountable, identifying a crime would be helpful. Otherwise, it's a witch hunt.

If you want to hold them POLITICALLY accountable, you're free to vote for the other guy...

excon

Tom mentioned we don't know enough without a thorough investigation which I've twice said has been obstructed. If you aren't concerned about getting to the bottom of a bungled op that led to many deaths in multiple countries including two (not one) American law enforcement agents, keep turning your eyes.

I'm absolutely floored that you don't think we need answers.

I'm absolutely floored that you don't think we need answers.Hello again, Steve:

I HAVE the answers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal)..


While the OIG report found no evidence that higher officials at the Justice Department in Washington had authorized or approved of the tactics used in the Fast and Furious investigations, it did fault 14 lower officials for related failures,

You just don't LIKE them.

Excon

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, it was a BOTCHED low level operation.
excon

If it was a botched low level operation and Obama and his flunkies had no involvement, why is the White House invoking executive privilege?

why is the White House invoking executive privledge?Hello smoothy:

Because it's resisting the witch hunt. What? They should let the right wing congress rummage through their files?? Ain't happening.

Look... Tell me what CRIME Obama is suspected of committing, and what evidence you have, if any. But, you ain't got squat. You're just pissed that Romney is going to LOSE.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

I HAVE the answers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal)..



You just don't LIKE them.

excon

Again, then what the hell is the most transparent administration ever hiding? Don't feed us that "resisting the witch hunt" crappola, PEOPLE DIED, families need ANSWERS.

Hello smoothy:

Because it's resisting the witch hunt. What? They should let the right wing congress rummage through their files??? Ain't happening.

Look... Tell me what CRIME Obama is suspected of committing, and what evidence you have, if any. But, you ain't got squat. You're just pissed that Romney is gonna LOSE.

excon

THis administration hasn't hesitated to throw underlings under the bus before... if this IS a low level thing... the upper level people have nothing to hide and tossing the offenders under the bus would put it behind them quickly... but then, where there is smoke there is usually fire. Particularly with this historically opaque administration.


Valerie Plame was a witch hunt... this is anything BUT a witch hunt, there are mounds of dead bodies with this... and the pile keeps growing.

Tell me what CRIME Obama is suspected of committing

My prediction is that the Mexican government will very soon hit the US government with RICO charges . What ? You don't think a conspiracy to give weapons to drug cartel terrorists that are used to gun down innocent Mexican civilians isn't Racketeering ? You don't think the coverup and possible pergury in testimony isn't ?

Yeah ,this will probably not be a major campaign issue because Romeny hasn't made it one ;and neither has the compliant press . But Watergate wasn't a big issue in 1972 either .

You don't think the coverup and possible pergury in testimony isn't ?Hello tom:

NO. Because what you think he covered up, is his plans to confiscate ALL the weapons during his second term... I DO NOT believe the government should HELP right wing NUTS dig in the dirt.

Exocn

Hello tom:

NO. Because what you think he covered up, is his plans to confiscate ALL the weapons during his second term... I DO NOT believe the government should HELP right wing NUTS dig in the dirt.

Exocn

I don't wear a tin foil cap. This isn't about confiscation.

But clearly when Evita stands with the Mexican President and tells the lie that gun smuggling from the US is a factor in drug violence in Mexico ;... then the President spreads the falsehood that this war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, ...
Then we find out that the US government conspired to make it true... then one has to question the motivation.

Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers and civilians

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/world/americas/26mexico.html


I think it has something to do with gun control that's true... but their plan falls short of confiscation. Their plan is for national standards of gun control with an emphasis on semi-automatic weapons.

Drug cartel leader was captured with Fast & Furious weapons | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/01/univision-juarez-drug-cartel-leader-el-diego-was-captured-with-fast-and-furious-weapons/)

Drug cartel leader was captured with Fast & Furious weapons | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/01/univision-juarez-drug-cartel-leader-el-diego-was-captured-with-fast-and-furious-weapons/)

Not sure what you are trying to prove here Tom the operation was successful in infiltrating the cartel? The drug dealers can't get weapons any other way? In any case it was a Bush era operation

Not sure what you are trying to prove here Tom the operation was successful in infiltrating the cartel? the drug dealers can't get weapons any other way? In any case it was a Bush era operation

That is a fallacy the Obots are trying to spread. The gun walker program was a small operation conducted with the consent of the Mexican government. When they found that the guns could not be tracked as well as they had thought they immediately ended the program.

F&F was conducted without the Mexican govt knowledge on a much larger scale. There is no comparison between the 2 operations.

There is no comparison between the 2 operations.Hello again, tom:

For the purposes of THIS conversation there is ONE, and ONLY one comparison that's germane... And that is, NEITHER George W. Bush OR Barack Obama ordered them, or KNEW about them...

Your attempts to label EVERY misstep this president makes, as some grand conspiracy, takes the spotlight OFF the misstep and puts it on your sides wackyness.

excon

Your attempts to label EVERY misstep this president makes, as some grand conspiracy, takes the spotlight OFF the misstep and puts it on your sides wackyness.

excon

Did you miss the Bush years?

Don't miss them at all

don't miss them at all

I didn't ask you and the word, I said "did" not "do" and the meaning is did you fail to notice people like ex pouncing on EVERY Bush misstep?

Back to the OP for a second, even CNN is concluding the White House tried to cover up something (http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/10/02/exp-erin-white-house-leaves-out-key-info-on-libya-labott.cnn) on the terrorist attack on our consulate in Libya.

Of course some of us realize that's SOP for this administration, lies and coverups.

The question is unknown how high up the ranks the approval went . I suspect at least ;despite the rather suspicious IG's investigation ,that Holder at least knew much more... and since it was across borders ,I'd be surprised if Evita did not have input.

Back to the OP for a second, even CNN is concluding the White House tried to cover up something (http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/10/02/exp-erin-white-house-leaves-out-key-info-on-libya-labott.cnn) on the terrorist attack on our consulate in Libya.

Of course some of us realize that's SOP for this administration, lies and coverups.

Unconfirmed but credible evidence that Libyan 'rebels '/ jihadists are being recruited to take up arms with the 'Free Syria Army'. Speculation is that part of the cover-up is that Obama doesn't want the connection made between the recruited rebels and the attack on Ambassador Stevens .
Also ;the President and advisors like Samantha Power want to keep the policy of R2P credible ;and if it is proven that we assisted anti-American jihadists in regime change in Libya ,the policy would be thoroughly discredited .

Eli Lake is still on the job. Turns out there were two bombings (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/02/u-s-consulate-in-benghazi-bombed-twice-in-run-up-to-9-11-anniversary.html) at the Benghazi consulate this year prior to the 9/11 terrorist attack, and "increasing threats to and attacks on the Libyan nationals hired to provide security at the U.S. missions in Tripoli and Benghazi."

Yep, that 9/11 attack was purely "spontaneous."

Heard him on an interview this week. He has the goods but is only releasing what he knows when he has multiple confirmation of his information.

The Slimes is revealing tidbits of the truth
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/24/world/africa/attack-in-libya-was-major-blow-to-cia-efforts.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

But the dots have not been connected yet... the CIA presence in Benghazi... the attack on the compound (especially the safe house )... and the recruiting of jihadists for war against the Assad regime in Syria.

I guess multiple confirmation is a bad thing.

No he's doing the right thing and he's unravelling the Obama lies thread by thread.

And yet Obama continues to lie (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-defiantly-declares-al-qaeda-its-heels-even-after-successful-terrorist-attacks_654000.html). At a fundraiser last night he he claimed Al Qaeda was "on its heels" - a month after Al Qaeda attacked the Benghazi embassy and spontaneously killed our ambassador. In fact AQ attacked at least 4 of our embassies in September.

CBS News Foreign Correspondent Lara Logan, a victim of sexual assault in the Arab Spring, takes issue with the lie...


Eleven years later, “they” still hate us, now more than ever, Logan told the crowd. The Taliban and al-Qaida have not been vanquished, she added. They’re coming back (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/10/09/lara_logan_the_idea_al_qaeda_is_weak_is_a_major_li e).

“I chose this subject because, one, I can’t stand, that there is a major lie being propagated . . .” Logan declared in her native South African accent.

The lie is that America’s military might has tamed the Taliban.

There is this narrative coming out of Washington for the last two years,” Logan said. It is driven in part by “Taliban apologists,” who claim “they are just the poor moderate, gentler, kinder Taliban,” she added sarcastically. “It’s such nonsense!”

Logan stepped way out of the “objective,” journalistic role. The audience was riveted as she told of plowing through reams of documents, and interviewing John Allen, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan; Afghan President Hamid Karzai, and a Taliban commander trained by al-Qaida. The Taliban and al-Qaida are teaming up and recruiting new terrorists to do us deadly harm, she reports.

She made a passionate case that our government is downplaying the strength of our enemies in Afghanistan and Pakistan, as a rationale of getting us out of the longest war. We have been lulled into believing that the perils are in the past: “You’re not listening to what the people who are fighting you say about this fight. In your arrogance, you think you write the script.”

All Obama needs now is the Bush "Mission Accomplished" banner to tote with him everywhere.

Agreed. American foreign policy will continuously create more terrorists.

Agreed. American foreign policy will continuously create more terrorists.

Like advocating for women's rights? That sure does irritate the Islamists.

Taliban gunmen shoot 14-year-old girl activist (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_PAKISTAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-10-09-08-50-39)

Yes that's exactly what I was referring to. (oh boy... some people... )

Yes that's exactly what I was referring to. (oh boy...some people...)

What, Muslim girls should be shot instead of going to school?

And with Romney you are going to do more of it, working to eliminate the enemy with failed techniques. The best thing the US has done is stay out of Syria, let the arabs work it out for themselves, there are enough helpers standing on the sidelines without the US, enough middle powers willing to test their arms without the US. You don't need a proxy fight between the US and Iran in Syria

All due respect to Miss Logan, but she and the right wing wouldn't know the difference between the Taliban, Al Quaida, an Afghan, a Somali, Tunisian or Egyptian. That's why its best to stay out of the internal affairs of nations and whatever civil wars they are engaged in.

What's BS is thinking you know what's best for them. They obviously don't agree. Guess we didn't learn from the Shah of Iran and trying to be a colonial master. Or Britain and the Chinese (Africa, Middle East), just to name a few. Concentrate just on the rock throwers and let the business men pay for their own army.

Surprised no one has ever connected the dots from the bad name of America to the dealings of BIG business exploits abroad. They can't tell the guys with bombs from the guys with suits they work for and protect.

All due respect to Miss Logan, but she and the right wing wouldn't know the difference between the Taliban, Al Quaida, an Afghan, a Somali, Tunisian or Egyptian. That's why its best to stay out of the internal affairs of nations and whatever civil wars they are engaged in.

What's BS is thinking you know what's best for them

So you're OK with shooting a 14 year old girl because she wants an education? Sorry dude, but I can recognize terrorism and oppression and I'm not going to appease or excuse it.

FYI, Al-Qaida making comeback in Iraq, officials say
(http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaida-making-comeback-iraq-officials-165659290.html)

BAGHDAD (AP) — Al-Qaida is rebuilding in Iraq and has set up training camps for insurgents in the nation's western deserts as the extremist group seizes on regional instability and government security failures to regain strength, officials say.

Iraq has seen a jump in al-Qaida attacks over the last 10 weeks, and officials believe most of the fighters are former prisoners who have either escaped from jail or were released by Iraqi authorities for lack of evidence after the U.S. military withdrawal last December. Many are said to be Saudi or from Sunni-dominated Gulf states.

During the war and its aftermath, U.S. forces, joined by allied Sunni groups and later by Iraqi counterterror forces, managed to beat back al-Qaida's Iraqi branch.

But now, Iraqi and U.S. officials say, the insurgent group has more than doubled in numbers from a year ago — from about 1,000 to 2,500 fighters. And it is carrying out an average of 140 attacks each week across Iraq, up from 75 attacks each week earlier this year, according to Pentagon data.

Yep, got 'em on their heels all right Mr. President. Darn shame the news just won't cooperate with his lies lately.

White House Scientists Struggle to Contain Outbreak of Scrutonium (http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2012/10/white-house-scientists-struggle-to-contain-outbreak-of-scrutonium.html)

Then you should go over there and do something yourself and not send my kids to do it for you (YES I have kids over there!! ). Further and more to the point, its up to them to govern there own country and if the people are so terrified of what they are being oppressed by, then its them that should change it, however outrageous, immoral,or dangerous it appears to others.

I applaud your compassion and will agree it's a travesty what goes on in other countries, but sending the army in, uninvited, to stop what goes on in other countries has seldom works. It causes a lot more harm than good.

This girl was a celebrity in her own land and a vocal enemy of the Taliban, this wasn't just a shooting of a child but a political act carried out against an enemy, no different to the assassination of Bhutto..

To consider interferring is nonsense and shows an immature mentality. Emotional claptrap. There is a bigger issue in Pakistan than female education, to which there are no barriers, and it has to do with the assassinations carried out every other day by the US. Let those who call for the stopping of acts such as the attack on this girl also call for the stopping of drone attacks. It is education, not arms, that will eventually win in Pakistan

Then you should go over there and do something yourself and not send my kids to do it for you (YES I have kids over there!!!!!!!!!). Further and more to the point, its up to them to govern there own country and if the people are so terrified of what they are being oppressed by, then its them that should change it, however outrageous, immoral,or dangerous it appears to others.

I applaud your compassion and will agree its a travesty what goes on in other countries, but sending the army in, uninvited, to stop what goes on in other countries has seldom works. It causes a lot more harm than good.

I didn't send your kids. I would assume they volunteered.

I didn't send your kids. I would assume they volunteered.

Yes they did, and have served admirably, but Bin Laden is dead, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Time to come home!

The best thing the US has done is stay out of Syria, let the arabs work it out for themselves
?? You really think that is the Obama Doctrine ? Why exactly do you think Ambassador Stevens was a target ?

Why exactly do you think Ambassador Stevens was a target ?Hello again, tom:

I don't think he WAS a target.. If so, they're slacking off.. He was killed by smoke inhalation... I don't think that's the way Alquaida does their hits..

excon

????? You really think that is the Obama Doctrine ? Why exactly do you think Ambassador Stevens was a target ?

You still don't know why he was a target? He was a target because he was helping the enemies of Al Qaeda, the enemies of Islamic fundamentalism and he was a traget because of inadequate security

Seriously who cares what Obama doctrine is or Romney doctrine for that matter. Stay out of other peoples countries and that isn't just confined to the middle east. Stay out of mine.

Hello again, tom:

I don't think he WAS a target.. If so, they're slacking off.. He was killed by smoke inhalation... I don't think that's the way Alquaida does their hits..

excon

Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/09/report-ambassador-stevens-said-he-was-al-qaeda-hit-list/57050/)

Report: Ambassador Stevens Said He Was on an Al-Qaeda Hit List (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/09/report-ambassador-stevens-said-he-was-al-qaeda-hit-list/57050/)That article showed no proof whatsoever - did you read it and the source it links to?

Hello again, tom:

I don't like Al Quaida... But, I don't underestimate them. They don't KILL a target by setting fire to a building and HOPE he breathes too much smoke to continue living...

That AIN'T how terrorism operates... They have GUNS. They have rocket propelled GRENADES. They have IED'S. They don't CARE how many people they kill as collateral damage...

Nahhh, you'll NEVER convince me he was a target.

excon

CNN, who got into the Benghazi compound 3 days after the attack and long before the FBI, was the source as reported in the article.


American intelligence officials insist that the attack on the Benghazi consulate was not pre-planned, but a new CNN report says that Ambassador Chris Stevens had expressed concerns about the safety of the mission in the months before his death. According to "a source familiar with his thinking," Stevens was worried about the growing threat of al-Qaeda and other extremists in Libya and even mentioned that he was on a terrorist "hit list."

Their source? His journal, recovered from the compound. Any questions?

Stevens was worried about the growing threat of al-Qaeda and other extremists in Libya and even mentioned that he was on a terrorist "hit list."
Any questions?Hello again, Steve:

Just one.

How many American officials AREN'T on an Al Quaida hit list?

Excon

Their source? His journal, recovered from the compound. They don't say anything about that in that article.

Hello again, Steve:

Just one.

How many American officials AREN'T on an Al Quaida hit list?

excon

You're the one that said he wasn't targeted. Obviously and unfortunately he proved his fears right.

You're the one that said he wasn't targeted. Obviously and unfortunately he proved his fears right.Hello again, Steve

Well, I'll leave you to your delusions that, as an Al Quaida target, he was killed with HOPE.

excon

They don't say anything about that in that article.

Did I say the article referenced the journal? No, I was stating a fact. Feel free to dispute that fact.

Hello again, Steve

Well, I'll leave you to your delusions that, as an Al Quaida target, he was killed with HOPE.

excon

??

???????Hello again, Steve:

Did they SHOOT him? Did they BOMB him? Nahhh, they set fire to the building, and HOPED he'd breath enough smoke and die. That is assuming they even knew he was there.

Now, if it was me, and I was running the operation targeting the ambassador, he'd have more holes him than a loaf of Swiss cheese... But, that's just me...

If we were to believe YOUR account, we'd have to believe that Al Quaida terrorists FORGOT how to DO terrorism. I don't BELIEVE that.

excon

He was in a fortified room with two other guys, classic move if you can't get in, smoke 'em out. But go ahead, keep downplaying it while calling me delusional.

He was in a fortified room with two other guys, classic move if you can't get in, smoke 'em out. But go ahead, keep downplaying it while calling me delusional.Hello again, Steve:

I don't know.. I've seen 'em plant IED's that kill lots of people and blow big trucks way up into the air.. Seems to ME, that if they were TARGETING someone, they'd bring one of those. But, all THESE Keystone Terrorists brought, was their Bic lighter...

Who's downplaying it? It was a terrorist attack. I said that LONG before Obama did. But, clearly, it was an attack on a BUILDING, and they had NO IDEA who was inside.

excon

Are you really telling us the guys who planned and brought down the Twin Towers and killed thousands botched a simple one story job?

I think I will wait for facts instead of hollering points.

You guys don't read much do you? Here you go then (http://kgoam810.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=113&itemid=29922213)...


(WASHINGTON) -- The size and "lethality" of the attack on the U.S. consulate compound in Benghazi, Libya, that left Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead was "unprecedented," according to a senior State Department official.

Senior State Department officials Tuesday gave the most detailed account to-date of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Sept. 11, which killed Ambassador Stevens and three other diplomats. One official said the nature of the assault was unparalleled in recent history.

"The lethality and number of armed people is unprecedented," one of the officials said. "There was no attack anywhere in Libya -- Tripoli or Benghazi -- like this, So it is unprecedented and would be very, very hard to find a precedent like that in recent diplomatic history."

Though the timeline of events outlined was similar to the last official account of the incident, which was given on Sept. 12, some stark differences and new details were revealed.

The biggest difference was a clear statement that there were no protests before the attack. Also it was revealed that former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods died from a mortar attack and that officials still do not know how Stevens, who was suffering from severe smoke inhalation, made it from the compound to the hospital.

The officials gave reporters a vivid narrative of the events of the night, painting a picture of exactly what the compound looked like.

There were four buildings in the main compound, according to the State Department's narrative: The barracks where the local guards were housed; Building C, which is the main building that contained Stevens' residence; Building B, a building on the compound; and the TOC (Tactical Operations Center) that served as the main security and communications center for the compound.

The area of the compound was about the size of a football field, with a nine-foot-high wall, topped by three feet of barbed wire.

On Sept. 11, Stevens did not leave the compound because of security fears due to the 9/11 anniversary. He had arrived in Benghazi the day before with five guards in total. Two additional Diplomatic Security agents from Tripoli were with him in addition to the three agents normally detailed to the compound.

Though some administration officials had initially said that the attack grew out of protests over an anti-Muslim film, the senior State Department official told reporters today that "nothing was out of the ordinary" on the night of the attack.

At 8:30 p.m. the ambassador said goodnight to a visiting Turkish diplomat outside the compound and the streets were empty. But at 9:40 p.m. noises, gunfire and an explosion were heard by the agents located in the TOC and Building B.

The agent in the TOC looked at one of the camera feeds monitoring the perimeter and saw a large group of armed men entering the compound. Asked about the initial reports of the protests, the official said that while "others" in the administration may have said there were protests, the State Department did not.

"That was not our conclusion," the official said. "I'm not saying that we had a conclusion."

This starts a series of events during which Stevens, Information Specialist Sean Smith and the agent locked themselves in a safe area in Building C. The area is set aside from the rest of the building by a metal grille with several locks and contained a small room with water and medical supplies.

From the safe haven room where Stevens, Smith and the agent were hiding they could see the men roaming throughout the house, trying to open grates, looking for them.

When the men didn't find anyone, they poured diesel fuel all over the rooms and furniture, setting the house on fire. As black smoke, diesel fumes and fumes from the burning furniture filled up the safe haven, the three tried to get to the bathroom area where there was a small window to open it for air, which did not help.

At this point, the official said, the security officer, Smith and the ambassador were on the ground gasping for air and suffering from "severe" smoke inhalation and decided to take their chances and get out of the safe haven and building.

The security agent led the way, but when he got outside he realized that neither Smith nor the ambassador had made it after him.

He went back in several times to find them, but eventually had to leave because he was overcome by the strong smoke. He climbed to a safe area outside of the building and radioed for help. Meanwhile the other agents in the compound had gone to Building B to get helmets, body armor and their "long guns." They headed back, but after encountering a large group of armed men, they decided to head back to Building B to barricade themselves, and the two agents in the TOC did the same.

The attackers attempted to enter both buildings, but failed.

After the agent in Building C's unsuccessful attempt to find his colleagues he radioed to the other four that building C was on fire. This was the first time they realized the building was on fire.

A quick reaction security team of six agents from the building roughly a mile away, known as the "annex," arrived at the compound with 16 members of the local Libyan militia, the 17th of February Brigade.

They set up a perimeter around Building C, where Stevens and Smith were still inside, which allowed the two agents to take over the task of looking for Stevens and Smith.

Under heavy, thick black smoke the agents took turns looking for the missing diplomats, feeling their way around on their hands and knees. They finally found Smith dead, and pulled him out, but did not find Stevens.

Outnumbered by "an unbelievable amount of bad guys" in the compound the militia fighters told the security team they had to evacuate, according to the State Department official.

"We've got to leave, we can't hold the perimeter," the official said the militia told the team.

The security team then loaded up into an armored vehicle and headed slowly to the annex building. They took heavy fire as they emerged from the compound's main gate and turned back twice upon encountering crowds and small groups of armed men.

They came upon a group of armed men in an adjacent compound who motioned them to turn inside. The official said the agents "smelled a rat and stepped on it," taking heavy fire at short range, which damaged the armored vehicle. Despite two flat tires, they kept moving, and when they were stopped again, this time by traffic, the team careened over a median and drove against traffic until they reached the annex.

But the annex was not safe either, and began to come under intermittent AK-47 and RPG fire for the next several hours.

By that time a team of security reinforcements had arrived at the annex in Benghazi from the U.S. embassy in Tripoli aboard a chartered aircraft to help with the fight.

At 4 a.m., the annex took "precise" mortar fire with some of the rounds landing on the roof, immediately killing Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods and severely wounding another security officer, official said.

At this point the U.S. team was outmatched and a decision was made that they would have to evacuate the annex, the official said. The next hours were spent securing the annex and moving everyone to the airport in Benghazi, where they were evacuated on two flights back to Tripoli.

Stevens was not seen by the security team again until his body was delivered to the airport, officials said, and they still do not know how he reached the Libyan hospital where attempts were made to treat him.

Officials said that, in fact, they were informed that Stevens was at the hospital only after doctors found his cell phone and began phoning people on his recent call list.

Copyright 2012 ABC News Radio

I doubt the Keystone Cops could manage "precise mortar fire." But go ahead, keep downplaying it - the death of one ambassador and 3 others is no biggie, right?

the death of one ambassador and 3 others is no biggie, right?Who says that? You? That's disgusting.

I can't believe what I'm reading here . It was a botched attack because he was killed allegedly from smoke from the burning building he was surrounded in ;instead of from a bomb or gun shot ?

Seriously who cares what Obama doctrine is or Romney doctrine for that matter. Stay out of other peoples countries and that isn't just confined to the middle east. stay out of mine.


Well that isn't happening .

http://news.yahoo.com/panetta-us-sends-forces-jordan-131927741.html

I can't believe what I'm reading here . It was a botched attack because he was killed allegedly from smoke from the burning building he was surrounded in ;instead of from a bomb or gun shot ?

No one is saying that Tom the criticism is how YOU guys politicize a tragedy. At least let the real investigators do their jobs.

Who says that? You? That's disgusting.

Still challenged by sarcasm, eh?

No one is saying that Tom the criticism is how YOU guys politicize a tragedy. At least let the real investigators do their jobs.

The politicization came when the administration pushed the lies.

I can't believe what I'm reading here . It was a botched attack because he was killed allegedly from smoke from the burning building he was surrounded in ;instead of from a bomb or gun shot ?

Maybe the intention wasn't to kill him but send the US a message, something along the lines of we can take out your embassies any time, go home.

Who knows what is the mind of extremists, or in the mind of governments

Maybe the intention wasn't to kill him but send the US a message, something along the lines of we can take out your embassies any time, go home.

Who knows what is the mind of extremists, or in the mind of governments

You have been drinking what Ex has been. The people on the ground who know what they are talking about told of precision mortar rounds.

Still challenged by sarcasm, eh?

That's what you say when someone catches you putting words into someone's mouth and setting up a strawman. A weak argument all 'round.

I still can't believe you said that; incredibly disrespectful.

you have been drinking what Ex has been. The people on the ground who know what they are talking about told of precision mortar rounds.

Yes so precision they left the ambassador alive to die of smoke inhaliation, sounds like a message to me.

You need to understand, Tom, that it is your people who are smoking dope, we have a saying here, is he on drugs? And the view we get, more and more, is that someone over there is, because reality this ain't.

Jihadists are everywhere, Why? Because of what your foreign policy stirred up in the world. The few successes there have been are nothing compared to the misery inflicted on a billion people. You really do need to concentrate on your own problems.

The politicization came when the administration pushed the lies.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/05/rice_on_benghazi_blame_the_intelligence_community


Rice was responding to a Sept. 26 letter from the GOP senators in which they accused Rice of jumping the gun and disseminating false information about the attack. The letter quotes Rice's comments selectively, leaving out the context where she cautioned that the information was based on initial assessments. Rice emphasized in her response that she had caveated her remarks in her TV appearances.

So much for keeping you guys in the loop as things develop. Better she said nothing since you were going to holler LIES any way. You have done it before you no doubt will do it again while you yourself condone YOUR lies to the American people.

Without caveat I might add. You would politicize a bump on a log to get MITT elected, and that makes him the perfect right wing loony candidate.

Dude, they knew in a matter of hours (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/09/us-knew-about-al-qaeda-link-benghazi-within-24-hours/57303/). Rice was feeding us her load of crap FIVE DAYS LATER (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/ambassador-susan-rice-libya-attack-not-premeditated/).

Hello again, desperate housewives, I mean right wingers...

So, Obama didn't protect our guy's, huh? He's the one who's weak, huh?

Turns out, the right wing shares the blame... In fact, the LOUDEST mouth on your side is the congressmen who VOTED to cut diplomatic security budget (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/1005/Libya-attack-Congressmen-casting-blame-voted-to-cut-diplomatic-security-budget).

Whoda thunk that?

excon

According to the State Dept's testimony, there were NO budget issues for not sending more security.
No ,they can't behind that canard.

Hello again, tom:

I ain't buying it... If cutting a security budget doesn't result in LESS security on the ground, then why are we spending ANYTHING?

excon

I'm going by Congressional testimony provided by Eric Nordstrom ;the head of security in Libya who informed State he needed more personel ;and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Charlene Lamb (the person most directly responsible for rejecting multiple requests for increased security) ,who testified under oath that she felt there was adequate security there .
Their decision had NOTHING to do with budgetary constraints. It had everything to do with this idea that they wanted the US to have a light presence there .

And by the way, Libya was denied use of a DC-3 for security ops in Libya but by golly, European embassies got their Chevy Volts (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/10/kelly-libya-security-cut-while-vienna-embassy-gain/#.UHbBEtLAzfY.twitter), and a new $108,000 charging station 4 days after their request was denied.

Priorities you know.

Hello wingers:

Here's a little MORE from the hearing... In their right wing zeal to tarnish the president, they blew the CIA’s cover.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-letting-us-in-on-a-secret/2012/10/10/ba3136ca-132b-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html?hpid=z2)
Silly Republicans..

excon

Ex there are some weird ideas at that enquiry, but really it's same old, same old, some back room Johnny, or in this case Jil,l has made a bad judgement call