While telling Virginians that with their help they can win North Carolina again (http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/14/speaking-to-virginia-crowd-biden-confuses-virginia-with-north-carolina-video/), he told the crowd that if Romney wins he will “put y’all back in chains (http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-campaign-is-ok-with-biden-s-saying-they-ll-put-y-all-back-chains).”

Asked for comment, Obama campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter (the same Cutter who lied about the steelworker ad), said (http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-campaign-is-ok-with-biden-s-saying-they-ll-put-y-all-back-chains):


I think [President Obama] probably agrees with Joe Biden’s sentiments. I mean he’s using a metaphor about what’s going to happen … look, I appreciate the faux outrage from the Romney campaign. If you want to talk about the use of words, then take a look at Mitt Romney’s stump speech where he basically calls the president un-American. So does Andrea Saul agree with that language?

Apparently if Romney and Ryan don't kill your spouse or push your granny over a cliff, they're going to put you in chains... and the president agrees with that sentiment.

What's the next new lowdown, sleazy BS to come from the Obama campaign going to be? Never mind, you're just going to tell me he didn't really say what he said.

Dems playing the race card again. Biden gets away with it because even commentators on our side will give him a pass because he's so gaffy .

"Look, this guy is so off the wall that he is able to make lifetime of gaffes and he doesn't get attacked for it because nobody expects any better. You know, it's just the crazy uncle in the attic, as Ross Perot used to say,"... "He turns out to be the crazy uncle in the attic. I think it is offensive and if anybody else had said it, it would have been a huge deal. But Joe Biden, is it a big f'ing deal? I don't know,"(Charles Krauthammer on 'Special Report ' today. )

Krauthammer went on to say (when the panel reacted to ' big f'ing deal' ) ,that he was using a direct quote from Biden.

You want to talk about Biden's gaffes, How about Romney, he is fast becoming another GWB - must be a republican thing

"Corporations are people, my friend… of course they are.(August 2011)

"I like being able to fire people who provide services to me."(January 2012)

"I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there."(January 2012)

"I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry's come back."

"It's hard to know just how well [the 2012 London Olympics] will turn out. July 2012


"I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed." .

. "[My wife] drives a couple of Cadillacs."(February 2012)

"Join me in welcoming the next president of the United States, Paul Ryan." August 2012

"I wish to remain an eternal enigma to myself and to others." (Mad Joe 'Lutwig' Biden)

Hello Steve:

I don't want to talk about name calling... I want to talk about ISSUES of import...

Speaking of which, if the Ryan Medicare plan is so good, why won't he let those 55 and older share in it?

excon

Hello again,

By the way, calling the Obama campaign a campaign of HATE is a new low too...

Steve, the only problem I have with your outrage, is that you're only outraged about the Obama team, and you IGNORE the crap coming from the other side... As I've said before, I can't get behind your outrage... To me, it seems FAKE!

excon

Well for one thing,before the Dems went completely radical socialist there was plenty of them that supported 'premium support' plans ;including Bill Clintoon in 1997 who's 'National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare' designed a plan built around premium support. Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon is a co-sponsor of the plan ;and no one ever accused him of being a right-winger.

Wah, Wah, WAH! Tom stop crying like a baby, there is nothing radically socialist in your nation, you have someone trying to implent a very poor version of universal health care and trying to stimulate an economy whilst trying to get a fair tax system, this isn't radical socialist but some form of common sense. You are bleating because it might cost you some money but I wonder does it really? The reality is the world you know is gone and you know who destroyed it, you did, you and your crony politics

You want to talk about Biden's gaffes, How about Romney, he is fast becoming another GWB - must be a republican thing

"Corporations are people, my friend… of course they are.(August 2011)

"I like being able to fire people who provide services to me."(January 2012)

"I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there."(January 2012)

"I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry's come back."

"It's hard to know just how well [the 2012 London Olympics] will turn out. July 2012


"I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed." .

. "[My wife] drives a couple of Cadillacs."(February 2012)

"Join me in welcoming the next president of the United States, Paul Ryan." August 2012

How the hell does an honest mistake compare to branding Romney a tax dodger, accusing him of causing cancer, Ryan of pushing grannies over the cliff and telling a largely black audience they'll put them back in chains?

A gaffe is a gaffe, these are intentional, indefensible character assassinations.

Hello Steve:

I don't wanna talk about name calling... I wanna talk about ISSUES of import...

Speaking of which, if the Ryan Medicare plan is so good, why won't he let those 55 and older share in it?

excon

No sir, we're not going off topic if I can help it. This is about the Obots and their cohorts reaching new levels of sleaze and slime. Really ex, the country deserves better.

Hello again,

By the way, calling the Obama campaign a campaign of HATE is a new low too...

Steve, the only problem I have with your outrage, is that you're only outraged about the Obama team, and you IGNORE the crap coming from the other side... As I've said before, I can't get behind your outrage... To me, it seems FAKE!

excon

What crap? Explain please, using Obama's own words against him? Puhleeeaase, that's fair game. Starting a tax dodger rumor, accusing him of causing cancer, and now this bullsh*t? Gimme a freakin' break.

Hello again, Steve:

If you DON'T see BOTH campaigns slogging around in the mud then we got NOTHING to talk about.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

If you DON'T see BOTH campaigns slogging around in the mud then we got NOTHING to talk about.

excon

I asked you to explain, you haven't.

I asked you to explain, you haven't.Hello again, Steve:

We've been over this... Romney lied when he said Obama said, "you didn't build that". He lied when he said Obama is removing the work requirement from welfare. He lied about Obama wanting to REMOVE GI's from the voter rolls. He lied about when he quit Bain Capital... I could go on, and on.. But, you get the message.. Romney is a LIAR.

You don't agree. You think he's a paragon of virtue, and Obama is the liar. Now, both tal and I ADMITTED that Harry Reid was lying. We admitted the ad accusing Romney of killing somebody was sleazy. And, I ADMIT to you right now, that Joe Biden dipped his toes in racial politics...

We admit stuff like that because it's IMPOSSIBLE to ignore it. Yet, you seem to IGNORE the crap your side does. So, as long as ONE of us is IGNORING the facts, there's NOTHING to talk about...

excon

Obama said "you didn't build that."

Congress specifically shielded TANF from the waiver process to keep work requirements intact, this administration unilaterally overwrote the will of congress (http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/policy/im-ofa/2012/im201203/im201203.html).

I have no idea what you're talking about GIs and voter rolls or where this lie about when he quit Bain evidence is either. So far, the only one lying is your side.

P.S. I don't think anyone is a paragon of virtue beyond my my departed mom, my friend Shar and my wife's late granny. I expect a tough fight, but I've had enough pure sleaze from the hopenchangey team. If you want to win by pure sleaze that's up to you, but we deserve better.

Hello again, Steve:

That's what I figured.. Are you going to ask me to explain again, so you can tell me what I already knew??

excon

I keep answering with facts and you keep answering with rhetoric. Obama did say that, tough for him. HHS did give themselves the power what congress told them specifically not to do. Fact.

And I repeat, I have no idea what you're talking about GIs and voter rolls or where this lie about when he quit Bain evidence is either. Since you choose not put up, back to the Biden's sleazy remark. You going to defend it?

Another straw man argument? Your side has been throwing rocks for years, but can't stand it when you find out my side can throw rocks to.

Learn to duck!

Another straw man argument? Your side has been throwing rocks for years, but can't stand it when you find out my side can throw rocks to.

Learn to duck!

Dude, your side can't hit the broadside of a barn. They just throw crap out there and hope it sticks.

Don't duck then, up to you.

Don't duck then, up to you.

I have no need to duck, I throw them back whence they came.

Romney has been slimed for weeks now... and the compliant media only noticed that the campaign got nasty when Romney said ,"Mr. President, take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago,"
Negative Campaign Rhetoric Reaches New Level of Ugly | PBS NewsHour (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/08/negative-tone-escalates-after-biden-remark.html)

Romney slimed his way through the primary, and is hollering foul now? Give me a break. Obama has been slimed since he ran for office. Grow up wingers!

Romney has been slimed for weeksHello again, tom:

Obama has been slimed for YEARS. Get over it.

excon

hello again, tom:

Obama has been slimed for years. Get over it.

Excon

Exactly!!

Obama has seen nothing compared to the years of Bush bashing, stop your whining.

Slime has been happening in American politics since the 1790s

In about 5 minutes ,the President is going to take Biden to the wood shed . The official schedule calls it a sit down lunch. Wonder what the President will be serving ?
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/08/16/obama-lunch-biden-today/

In about 5 minutes ,the President is going to take Biden to the wood shed . Hello again, tom:

I don't know ANYBODY who's unhappy with what Biden said, except you right wingers... I'm certainly NOT... After all, we DID put black people in chains at one time.. The right wing LOVED it back then, and they'd like to go back to it. All Biden did was speak the truth.

Isn't stopping them from VOTING putting the chains on again?? I think so.

excon

No one is stopping any eligible voter from voting .

Hello again, tom:

I dunno ANYBODY who's unhappy with what Biden said, except you right wingers... I'm certainly NOT... After all, we DID put black people in chains at one time.. The right wing LOVED it back then, and they'd like to go back to it. All Biden did was speak the truth.

Isn't stopping them from VOTING putting the chains on again??? I think so.

excon

You really have run out of arguments to vote for your guy haven't you?

no one is stopping any eligible voter from voting .

You aren't making it easier either.

no one is stopping any eligible voter from voting .

That is so long as they have ID of a certain prescribed type

You aren't making it easier either.

Um, I've voted many, many times. It's not that complicated.

Um, I've voted many, many times. It's not that complicated.Hello again, steve:

You've really hit the nail on the head... For YOU, voting is NOT complicated. Therefore, it's NOT complicated for ANYBODY.

What that shows is that you, AND your ilk, have NO empathy, whatsoever. You can't even IMAGINE voting being harder for SOME than it is for you.

I'd FIX that flaw if I was you.

Or, you DO know that voting is harder for some and they usually vote for the other guy, so you're FINE with suppressing their votes...

I'd FIX that flaw too.

excon

Hello again, steve:

You've really hit the nail on the head... For YOU, voting is NOT complicated. Therefore, it's NOT complicated for ANYBODY.

What that shows is that you, AND your ilk, have NO empathy, whatsoever. You can't even IMAGINE voting being harder for SOME than it is for you.

I'd FIX that flaw if I was you.

Dude, I have no 'ilk,' I'm just me and it's impossible to put me in your little box. You already know by my many posts on World Vision that I have plenty of empathy so attempting to paint me otherwise is not only intellectually dishonest, it's a damn lie.


Or, you DO know that voting is harder for some and they usually vote for the other guy, so you're FINE with suppressing their votes...

I'd FIX that flaw too.

For some reason beyond me you think voter ID laws only affect your side. I'd fix that flaw.

What's the middle ground?

Whats the middle ground?

You tell me, I'm not the one arguing in circles over objections that have already been satisfied.

So this is settled and on to the next great debate. Let me know, I got to go solve my Strausberg dilemna, and replace Melky!!

Brother, you need to solve more than a Strausberg and Melky dilemma. :p

Should'a known Melky in his contract year would juice up.The Yanks dumped him because he was a bad influence on Cano. Don't know what to tell you about Strausburg. It's too bizzaro. The Nats may not make the playoffs for another 20 years (you never know) ,and yet they are risking it by shutting down their best pitcher ? Very strange. They could've managed his time better during the season if they were concerned about innings .

I'll have someone available after CC gets back.

Hello Steve:

I agree that Joe Biden was addressing black people. He told them that the Republicans were going to put them "back in chains".

Who did he offend?

excon

Hello Steve:

I agree that Joe Biden was addressing black people. He told them that the Republicans were going to put them "back in chains".

Who did he offend?

excon

Me for one. It should offend blacks as well (and it did offend "the nation's first elected black governor, Virginia's L. Douglas Wilder (http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/aug/17/wilder-slams-biden-for-chains-remark/)").

It wasn't just what he said but how he said it, "they gon' put y'all back in chains!" Since when does Biden say "they" for "they're," "gon'" for "going to" and "y'all" for "you?" If a white conservative had done something similar the media and black activists would have had a nuclear hissy fit.

It's time to end this racist BS, are you with me or not?

How low can he go?

It's time to end this racist BS, are you with me or not?Hello again, Steve:

I didn't find it racist... Racism is when you disdain a particular group. There was NO disdain in his remarks... And, you KNOW he has no disdain for black people in his heart. Or, maybe YOU don't. This is the same kind of false accusation you make when a black artist uses the "n' word. To YOU, simply the mention of the word is RACIST... What the word MEANT - or the CONTEXT in which the word was spoken DOESN'T matter to you.

But, in the real world, CONTEXT does matter.

excon

It was racial pandering at its purest, you gon' deny that? Really ex, there is only one way to interpret telling a largely black audience that a white guy is going to put them back in chains. That intentionally conjures up one image...

http://api.ning.com/files/YIvHGbD16qCRp2SCl1y5qn7M0VdbqapWzZ2zgR9KJmkM04wRUW 6YZLJ5IXpxCQ7Hd6IriMyiPYUarajJDw3d1oQHM4uCalT9/545pxSlaves_in_chains_grayscale.png?width=654

His comment is inexcusable and indefensible, and that you would defend, gloss over it and refuse to join me in stopping this racist BS is quite revealing.

Really ex, there is only one way to interpret telling a largely black audience that a white guy is going to put them back in chains. That intentionally conjures up one image...

..that you would defend, gloss over it and refuse to join me in stopping this racist BS is quite revealing.Hello again, Steve:

I don't know if you glossed, or just missed it.. But, I AGREE with you that it conjures up only ONE image, and you NAILED it... Ceptin for ONE thing.. Biden wasn't just talking about a white guy. He was talking about a REPUBLICAN white guy, and I AGREE with him.. What's RACIST about telling the TRUTH??

excon

Are you also appalled by the hidden racism under guise of voter fraud suppressing blacks and minorities from voting? Even after you repubs admitted that was the goal?

Ohio GOP Admits Early Voting Cutbacks Are Racially Motivated | The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/blog/169454/ohio-voter-suppression-all)


Why do Ohio Republicans suddenly feel so strongly about limiting early voting hours in Democratic counties? Franklin County (Columbus) GOP Chair Doug Preisse gave a surprisingly blunt answer to the Columbus Dispatch on Sunday: “I guess I really actually feel we shouldn't contort the voting process to accommodate the urban—read African-American—voter-turnout machine.” Preisse is not some rogue operative but the chairman of the Republican Party in Ohio's second-largest county and a close adviser to Ohio Governor John Kasich.

Like Pennsylvania House majority leader Mike Turzai, who said his state's voter ID law “is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania,” Preisse said publicly what many Republicans believe privately—keeping turnout down among Obama supporters is the best way for the GOP to win the 2012 election. That's why, since the 2010 election, Republicans have devoted so much energy to voter-suppression efforts like limiting early voting hours, restricting voter registration drives, passing voter ID laws, disenfranchising ex-felons and purging the voter rolls.

At least Biden knows the language of those he speaks to, and gives them warning about YOU guys who are lying and saying its about election integrity, and not election fixing.

Your outrage over Joe, while ignoring your own is pretty selective to me and not very credible.

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno if you glossed, or just missed it.. But, I AGREE with you that it conjures up only ONE image, and you NAILED it... Ceptin for ONE thing.. Biden wasn't just talking about a white guy. He was talking about a REPUBLICAN white guy, and I AGREE with him.. What's RACIST about telling the TRUTH???

excon

The question is what's truthful about it? You have nothing, absolutely nothing to justify that claim. In fact, the facts tell a story just the opposite. Republicans fight to liberate people from their government master, it's Democrats that fight to keep blacks under a federal slave master.

Are you also appalled by the hidden racism under guise of voter fraud suppressing blacks and minorities from voting? Even after you repubs admitted that was the goal?

Ohio GOP Admits Early Voting Cutbacks Are Racially Motivated | The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/blog/169454/ohio-voter-suppression-all)



At least Biden knows the language of those he speaks to, and gives them warning about YOU guys who are lying and saying its about election integrity, and not election fixing.

Your outrage over Joe, while ignoring your own is pretty selective to me and not very credible.

Dude, truth is not a matter of you repeating the same lies until someone believes it.

Republicans fight to liberate people from their government master, it's Democrats that fight to keep blacks under a federal slave master.Hello again, Steve:


WASHINGTON—In the wake of last weekend's highly controversial comments from Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), top Republican officials condemned (http://www.theonion.com/articles/republicans-condemn-akins-comments-as-blemish-on-p,29259/) the congressman's statements Monday, calling them a black mark on the party's otherwise flawless record on women's rights issues.

“Throughout our history, whether it's been our position on birth control, abortion, or equal pay for equal work, Republicans have always stood together with women, listening to their needs and fighting for issues that are are important to them. That is why we were stunned that someone from our own party could have made such insensitive remarks or expressed such uninformed opinions about women,” said Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus, calling Akin's comments an outlier, especially when one considers the huge, progressive strides—both personally and professionally—the GOP has helped women make over the years. “We apologize for Congressman Akin. And we want the nation's women to know that they will continue to have no greater ally than the Republican Party.” Priebus added that while there was certainly no excuse for Akin's comments, after 150 years without a single insensitive remark against women, perhaps the GOP was due.

Excon

Dude, truth is not a matter of you repeating the same lies until someone believes it.

So he didn't say it and the newspaper lied?


Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Republicans fight to liberate people from their government master, it's Democrats that fight to keep blacks under a federal slave master.

No they don't, you are making that up!!

Hello again, Steve:



excon

How did we get to The Onion and Akin on a thread about the Obama campaign's sleaze tactics? Back to the OP.

So he didn't say it and the newspaper lied?

No, the newspaper (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/08/19/fight-over-poll-hours-isnt-just-political.html)didn't lie, the opinion guy (http://www.thenation.com/blog/169454/ohio-voter-suppression-all#) did. He twisted the words to fit in his nice little outraged box instead of showing it was about was about keeping the process fair and equal for all. EXACTLY what we've been saying.


No they don't, you are making that up!!

We're not the ones telling them to depend on the government a la Julia.

Helping some one that hasn't asked for help was the same rational for slavery, so should they be grateful to massa for help? Will you change your name? Or be upsetwhen they reject YOUR help?

I mean, who asked you for YOUR help?? Whose even asking YOU for help with the baby in the females belly?

Dude, a) you can't be truly liberated if you're beholden to massa Obama.

b) I didn't ask for Obama's "help" with my healthcare. I can't be liberated if I depend on unaccountable bureaucrats to decide what treatments I can have.

c) I'm not forcing "help" or anything else on on anyone, I fight for the right of a helpless child to get a chance at life.

Dude, a) you can't be truly liberated if you're beholden to massa Obama.
But you're not.

b) I didn't ask for Obama's "help" with my healthcare. I can't be liberated if I depend on unaccountable bureaucrats to decide what treatments I can have.
That's not how universal healthcare works, educate yourself.

c) I'm not forcing "help" or anything else on on anyone, I fight for the right of a helpless child to get a chance at life.
You're telling a woman what to do with her body. Don't speak for all women. let them decide on their own, they don't need massa speechless to tell them what to do. Feel free to force your beliefs on the your fellow followers. Not everyone believes what you do - is that so hard to understand?

QUOTE by speechlesstx;
Dude,
a) you can't be truly liberated if you're beholden to massa Obama.

Partisan straw man opinion. Why doesn't that apply to massa Mitt?


b) I didn't ask for Obama's "help" with my healthcare. I can't be liberated if I depend on unaccountable bureaucrats to decide what treatments I can have.

More straw man partisan rhetoric, you can spend your money anyway you want if you have any left after Mitt gets done with you.


c) I'm not forcing "help" or anything else on on anyone, I fight for the right of a helpless child to get a chance at life.

Now I get it, Julia and Otis are children to be told whats best for them.

Got it massa Speech!, Or would you rather be DADDY?

[QUOTE]Dude, a) you can't be truly liberated if you're beholden to massa Obama.
But you're not.

I didn't say I was, duh.


b) I didn't ask for Obama's "help" with my healthcare. I can't be liberated if I depend on unaccountable bureaucrats to decide what treatments I can have.
That's not how universal healthcare works, educate yourself.

15 unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats called the Independent Payment Advisory Board will be tasked to ration Medicare under the guise of "price controls." Obama has already alluded to expanding their role beyond Medicare. Educate yourself.


c) I'm not forcing "help" or anything else on on anyone, I fight for the right of a helpless child to get a chance at life.
You're telling a woman what to do with her body.

No, I'm trying to SAVE the CHILD, and if that happens to result in one woman avoiding the painful emotional after effects of an abortion, all the better.


Don't speak for all women. Let them decide on their own, they don't need massa speechless to tell them what to do.

I don't speak for anyone but me, so that's just another straw man. If anyone is pretending to speak for all women it's progressives/liberals and media wonks, and it really pi$$es off a lot of women that don't want to be boxed into their stupid stereotypes.


Feel free to force your beliefs on the your fellow followers.

Since I've already made clear I don't force anything on anyone and you have no evidence whatsoever to back that up, you're just poisoning the well (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well), something you excel at on a regular basis.


Not everyone believes what you do - is that so hard to understand?

Nothing I've ever said would lead to that conclusion. Is that so hard to understand?

Partisan straw man opinion. Why doesn't that apply to massa Mitt?

That's easy, Mitt isn't the one expanding government exponentially, giving himself credit on the bios of others and running on the premise that his policies are going to take care of you from cradle to grave. Nothing partisan about it, the facts speak for themselves.


More straw man partisan rhetoric, you can spend your money anyway you want if you have any left after Mitt gets done with you.

The FACT that I didn't ask for Obama's help with my health care, and in FACT vehemently opposed his involvement (as did the Majority of Americans) is a straw man? Dude, you don't know what rhetoric or straw man means.


Now I get it, Julia and Otis are children to be told whats best for them.

Got it massa Speech!, Or would you rather be DADDY?

No one on this side of the aisle is campaigning on cradle to grave care so you can only be speaking of Obama the Messiah.

No, I'm trying to SAVE the CHILD,Let the people involved do that - stay out of their lives!

Originally Posted by speechlesstx
No, I'm trying to SAVE the CHILD,

What about the children of rape and incest victims?

Let the people involved do that - stay out of their lives!

Don't force your beliefs on me, not everyone believes as you do -is that so hard to understand?

What about the children of rape and incest victims?

What about them?

Don't force your beliefs on me, not everyone believes as you do -is that so hard to understand?

LOL! The mind of the right-wing fanatic at work. Apparently my wanting to allow people to make their own decisions and live their own lives is equal to forcing my beliefs on them. This is why we can't take you seriously.

LOL! The mind of the right-wing fanatic at work. Apparently my wanting to allow people to make their own decisions and live their own lives is equal to forcing my beliefs on them. This is why we can't take you seriously.

As usual you can't grasp the message. I have as much right to an opinion and to try and INFLUENCE others as you do. It's a public forum -is that so hard to understand? If you can't handle that then feel free to stay out of it.

If it were just an opinion that'd be OK, but you guys want a constitutional amendment that applies to everyone in the US - that's not OK.

LOL! The mind of the right-wing fanatic at work.

P.S. to the mods - fair warning, if he continues to throw out ad hominems and do nothing but provoke I will defend myself.

If it were just an opinion that'd be ok, but you guys want a constitutional amendment that applies to everyone in the US - that's not ok.

You don't understand our system, if the people want an amendment we get an amendment. Doesn't matter what you think.

P.S. to the mods - fair warning, if he continues to throw out ad hominems and do nothing but provoke I will defend myself.
Haha, you have called liberals names over the past 5 years and you're still here. Put on your big girl underwear and stop being offended every single time. Thin skin people really shouldn't be on open forums.

Haha, you have called liberals names over the past 5 years and you're still here. Put on your big girl underwear and stop being offended every single time. Thin skin people really shouldn't be on open forums.

You know you really could add something useful to these discussions if you'd get your head out of your...

Hello again,

Is this the page where we post about the nuts from the other side?? If not, please excuse me...

Have you heard about what's going on in Lubbock? Here's what their head judge said, (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/us/lubbock-official-tom-head-stirs-city-with-remark.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120828)
“He [Obama] is going to try to hand over the sovereignty of the United States to the U.N. ” Mr. Head said on Fox 34 last week. “O.K. what's going to happen when that happens? I'm thinking worst-case scenario: civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war, maybe. And we're not talking just a few riots here and demonstrations. We're talking Lexington, Concord, take up arms and get rid of the guy.”

And if the president did send in United Nations troops, Mr. Head continued, “I don't want 'em in Lubbock County. O.K. So I'm going to stand in front of their armored personnel carriers and say, 'You're not coming in here.' And the sheriff, I've already asked him. I said, 'You going to back me?' He said, 'Yeah, I'll back you.'

“Well, I don't want a bunch of rookies back there,” Mr. Head said. “I want trained, equipped, seasoned veteran officers to back me.”

Here's what OTHER Texans are saying about what HE said,
“I believe that we need a sheriff's militia to protect Lubbock County, and get all the sheriffs in Texas to start a militia to protect Texas,” Kim Wade Gatewood, 48, told the commissioners and Mr. Head.

After the hearing, Mr. Gatewood, an agricultural contractor, identified himself as the counsel general of the interim government of the Republic of Texas, which he said was not active at the moment. “If secession happens,” he said, “it'll be active in a split second.”

Frankly, I think we should just set Texas adrift...

Excon

Ol' tingly legged Chris Matthews is upset at the GOP for "dividing the country along racial lines." Says Chris (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/08/chris-matthews-defends-attack-on-priebus-says-republican-133422.html):


"It is obvious that this is something I care passionately about: race was abused by white politicians in my lifetime, including Reagan. For someone to come on the program and deny that this is part of their process, I couldn't take that," Matthews said. "This is something I really, deeply believe in. We grew up in a country where appeals to race have been awful, terrible. This language -- we are beyond this. It had to be called out."

Does anyone remember if Tingles called out Biden for accusing Romney and Ryan of wanting to put blacks "back in chains"?

Not sure, maybe we could ask MagicUnderwear.

Does anyone remember if Tingles called out Biden for accusing Romney and Ryan of wanting to put blacks "back in chains"?Hello again, Steve:

You guys are a bit mixed up about race.. It's possible to talk about race WITHOUT it being racist... As we discussed earlier, YOU were offended by Biden's remarks.. I don't blame you.. He was DISSING you... But, BLACK people weren't... It wasn't OFFENSIVE to them.. It WASN'T racist. It was TRUTH. It was POLITICS.

In MY view, if the Republicans win, they WILL metaphorically, and maybe even physically, put black people "back in chains"...

Go ahead, call me a racist.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

You guys are a bit mixed up about race.. It's possible to talk about race WITHOUT it being racist... As we discussed earlier, YOU were offended by Biden's remarks.. I don't blame you.. He was DISSING you... But, BLACK people weren't... It wasn't OFFENSIVE to them.. It WASN'T racist. It was TRUTH.

This coming from the guy who just posted about a kook in Lubbock? Have you ever been to Lubbock? Please, set it adrift. But if you think the GOP wants to put blacks in chains, literally, economically, metaphorically or whatever, you and those blacks who believed Biden are not any more sane than the kook in Lubbock.

So 94% of the black voters are kooky not to trust righties and republicans? Wonder why?

So 94% of the black voters are kooky not to trust righties and republicans? Wonder why?

Ya know, that's a darn good question. Perhaps it's because your side loves to try and scare the hell out of them for no valid reason, "they gon' put y'all back in chains." But no, it's deeper than that...


Why Do Blacks Vote Democrat? (http://rightblack.hubpages.com/hub/Why-Do-Blacks-Vote-Democrat)

As a youngster someone told me that the Democrats are for the little guy. Therefore, I decided that I must be a Democrat. I was a true Democrat until I was about nine years old and I figured out that not only were the Democrats not for the little guy but they definitely were not for me, a black person. I was nine years old in 1968, this was the year that Rev. King was assassinated and Pres. Nixon was elected. It was the Democratic Party in the south that Rev. King was fighting. He fought against segregationists like Democratic Georgia Governor Lester Maddox, Alabama Governor George Wallace and Democratic Public Safety Commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor in Birmingham who was the man that released dogs and used skin scorching fire hoses against blacks. I can still remember convincing my mother that Nixon was the better candidate and the Republican Party should be supported because they were for all people not just “the little” people. If I am a “little” person what is it that I need? Little people need big people to take care of them. How did I figure this out at such a very early age? I read about the Civil War and the freedom that it brought my ancestors. It's just pure common sense that the people who were your enemy one day could not be your friend the next. This is the reason I have such a hard time answering the question, why do blacks vote Democrat? It’s emotional but here is my opinion based on the facts that I have read and lived over the years.

“When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.” 1 Cor. 13:11 This verse is what I perceive to be the whole problem. Let’s take a tour back in time to the days just before the Civil War. Most blacks lived in the south and most were slaves. Slaves were given their meager portions of food and poor lodging by their masters. They were told how to talk, “Yes, Master,” what to think, “You are worth whatever I paid for you” and when and where to go. Black people were told not to think, in fact they were told they could not think for themselves because God created them for servitude. It was the northern Abolitionist who first said this was an abomination. That one man should not enslave another. They were the ones who said we needed to live out our creed that all are equal in the eyes of Almighty God.

Once the Civil War ended the struggle for equality began. Most blacks saw the Republican Party as the party of freedom and during Reconstruction this was true. Reconstruction had to end and the Republican Party became a minority party in the south with very few white Republicans. The Democrats or the three “s” party, slavery, secession and segregation, had all the power and wielded it with an iron fist. Virtually enslaving blacks all over again.

Blacks in the south were left alone to fight for themselves, their paternalistic Republican Party left them to build alliances of their own. This failed miserably because the last thing the racist south wanted were free blacks, they wanted slaves, free labor and power. The violence that was released upon the freedmen was unbearable and the freedmen gave up their equality to be considered lesser men. Many injustices ensued at the hands of white racist Democrats but even when the Republicans tried to help they we rebuffed by the majority, the Democrats. President Theodore Roosevelt tried to intervene through the infamous peonage trials but could not stop the incidents of involuntary servitude. Therefore, blacks felt abandoned even though all the advances of the black race was a product of the Republican Party from 1860 to 1968 they left the party in droves when the Democrats started offering social programs to take care of “the little man.” Encouraged by the likes of Jesse Jackson more blacks voted Democrat. Because of Democratic social programs more black men left the home in order to let the government send money to take care of his family. He planted his seed far and wide and when the seed was rejected because the planter would be absent, our precious babies were aborted in the millions, all federally funded by Democratic social engineering.

Republicans kept offering a hand up and Democrats a handout. Handouts being easier they were accepted over a hand up. Even blacks that did not take handouts were glad that they were there so they wouldn't have to be responsible for their brothers and sisters. They voted and still vote to keep government handouts going because it is easier than arguing with those who won’t work or taking care of those who can’t. This is a syndrome that has affected all of our society and the Democratic Party has solidified its base of those who want government to be responsible instead of being responsible themselves. I admit that I could be wrong about some of my observations but I think they are rational and supported by history. Why do blacks vote Democrat, because there are so few responsible black men! Many blacks have been duped into a paternalistic psychological slavery where to be taken care of by the government is encouraged, freedom of thought is discouraged and to be different from the group is not tolerated. Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice and Michael Steele along with other Black Republicans are repudiated because they stand for responsibility and freedom, they are not on the Paternalistic Psychological Plantation.

Like I said, it's not our side keeping blacks in chains, and the nation's first black president just continues keeping them on the "Paternalistic Psychological Plantation."

Like I said, it's not our side keeping blacks in chains, Hello again, Steve:

I don't know.. Suppressing their vote is metaphorically keeping them in chains.. The Democrats aren't doing that. You are..

Besides, IF what you quoted above had even a scintilla of truth about it, you'd think you'd have a minimum of 40% of the black people who believe it. Ok, maybe 25%... No?? Let's go for 10%.. Still too many?? How about ZERO %??

Alan West doesn't count. Literally, he DOESN'T count.. Even if there are MORE Alan West's around, there isn't enough of them to measure even 1% of the black people..

Obama enjoys their support 94% to ZERO... You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool black people into thinking the right wing represents THEIR interests...

excon

So he is giving a handout to get minorities access to higher education while you guys want to cut it? Is that why you guys want more tax breaks for rich guys to take overseas to invest in sweat shops instead of Americans? Is that why you don't want contraceptives for poor women?

You say plantation thinking, or a least your writer does, but he offers no examples for his claims of helping anyone but rich white guys. Just bashing. Like you always say, its his OPINION. Even Michael Steele has said until the repubs get more diverse, they will never broaden the tent. And a few blacks in the window is NO proof of anything.

You tried, but some examples of the efforts of repubs to help minorities get off the plantation would help me see your point.

And thank you both very much for validating my point and the writer's analysis.

And thank you both very much for validating my point and the writer's analysis.

I take that as you have no examples of republicans helping minorities! I didn't think so, and I think your writer has none either.

You didn't even read the article.

I found it offensive that a brother could so callously degrade those who push for progress through some very strong opposition, and not recognize the many who have worked hard to succeed despite the notion that they were devalued and chastised and it's a point of fact that he was talking only of a small percentage of those yet he painted all the brothers as whores, and lazy shiffless welfare bums.

Of course its no surprise that you buy into his skewed rendition of history because it fits your notion of what a black person is. Not all minorities are on the welfare dole, just as all white people are rich greedy b@stards.

Besides the fact that Harry Reid and Durbin are shamelessly campaigning from the Senate floor (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/senate-democrats-47-comment-is-a-rare-look-at-the-real-mitt-romney/), Obama has some new campaign merchandise... welcome to Obamaland (https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-collections/artists-for-obama/our-stripes-flag-print.html).

Welcome to Romneyland where you get docked when the boss comes around for a photo op! (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/28/1125038/-Ohio-Coal-Miners-Lose-Pay-Forced-to-Attend-Romney-Rally)

Besides the fact that Harry Reid and Durbin are shamelessly campaigning from the Senate floor (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/senate-democrats-47-comment-is-a-rare-look-at-the-real-mitt-romney/), Obama has some new campaign merchandise...welcome to Obamaland (https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-collections/artists-for-obama/our-stripes-flag-print.html).
Because we are not a red nation ,we are not a blue nation... we are an Obama~nation.

because we are not a red nation ,we are not a blue nation... we are an Obama~nation.

Tom you have seen the light

Mitt released his 2011 tax numbers, so after all of Harry Reid's huffing and puffing here's (http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2012/09/note-trustee-brad-malt) what you have:


Note From Trustee Brad Malt
Brad Malt | September 21, 2012

This morning, Gov. and Mrs. Romney filed their 2011 tax return with the IRS. At 3:00pm today, the Romney for President campaign will be posting the 2011 return online.

The complete 2011 tax return, with full schedules, statements, and attachments, will be made available with all other previously-disclosed information at Public Disclosure | Mitt Romney for President (http://www.mittromney.com/disclosure).

Also posted will be a notarized letter from the Romneys’ tax preparer, PricewaterhouseCoopers, LLP (PWC), giving a summary of tax rates from the Romneys’ tax returns for the 20-year period of 1990-2009.

In advance of the posting of these new documents, I wanted to provide some top-line details.

Regarding the newly-filed 2011 Tax Return:


In 2011, the Romneys paid $1,935,708 in taxes on $13,696,951 in mostly investment income.

The Romneys’ effective tax rate for 2011 was 14.1%.

The Romneys donated $4,020,772 to charity in 2011, amounting to nearly 30% of their income.

The Romneys claimed a deduction for $2.25 million of those charitable contributions.


The Romneys’ generous charitable donations in 2011 would have significantly reduced their tax obligation for the year. The Romneys thus limited their deduction of charitable contributions to conform to the Governor's statement in August, based upon the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13% in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.

As with the 2010 tax return, the 2011 tax return will appear as four separate documents. It includes Governor and Mrs. Romney's Form 1040 as well as three underlying Massachusetts trusts detailing the sources of their income. Those are The W. Mitt Romney Blind Trust, The Ann D. Romney Blind Trust, and The Romney Family Trust.

The investments within the trusts are managed on a blind basis by me, the trustee. I have sole responsibility for making, holding and disposing of the investments.

Regarding the PWC letter covering the Romneys’ tax filings over 20 years, from 1990 – 2009:


In each year during the entire 20-year period, the Romneys owed both state and federal income taxes.

Over the entire 20-year period, the average annual effective federal tax rate was 20.20%.

Over the entire 20-year period, the lowest annual effective federal personal tax rate was 13.66%.

Over the entire 20-year period, the Romneys gave to charity an average of 13.45% of their adjusted gross income.

Over the entire 20-year period, the total federal and state taxes owed plus the total charitable donations deducted represented 38.49% of total AGI.


During the 20-year period covered by the PWC letter, Gov. and Mrs. Romney paid 100 percent of the taxes that they owed.

Finally, in addition to new documents related to tax filings, the campaign will also be posting on the same website physician letters for both Gov. Romney and Rep. Ryan, making public their current state of health.

After you have reviewed all of the newly-posted documents, you may have further questions. The campaign asks that you direct them to an e-mail account set up for that purpose. That e-mail address is returns @ mittromney.com.

Thank you.

R. Bradford Malt is a partner at Ropes & Gray, LLP. He has been the trustee of the Romney’s blind trust since 2003.

Go ahead, huff and puff and blow some more smoke about a rich, greedy guy whose average effective tax over 20 years is 20.20% and donated nearly 30 percent of his income last year.

Second, the Romneys take to heart "to whom much is given, of him shall much be required."Sounds like a marxist/socialist to me. Anti-american.

Sounds like a marxist/socialist to me. Anti-american.

That depends, if it's Mitt's version of PERSONAL sacrifice that's 100 percent American and 100 percent biblical. But then there's Obama's version (http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/02/news/economy/obama_tax_rich_jesus/index.htm).


"For me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus's teaching that for unto whom much is given, much shall be required," Obama said

Translation, "from whom much has earned, much shall be taken and redistributed."

Reid is predictably in denial (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/21/reid-responds-hes-hiding-something/)...


Reid on Romney deciding to release 2011 returns: "He's hiding something. He's hiding something! It is so evident he's hiding something!"

Aren't they All! now about Mitt,14% tax consistently over years; for the accountant in me that raises a few questions, it centainly doesn't answer the prime question, why does he need a tax cut?

Only one year. He's got something to hide.

Only one year. He's got something to hide.

No Karma his accountants say his effective rate has been consistent over twenty years, he has more than something to hide, I would suspect he has some creative accountants

Only one year. He's got something to hide.

A 20 year average is only one year? Math is hard isn't it?

arn't they All!, now about Mitt,14% tax consistently over years; for the accountant in me that raises a few questions, it centainly doesn't answer the prime question, why does he need a tax cut?

A flat tax would take care of that .

Romney doesn't want a flat tax he already has one. Tom, make your tax twenty five percent off the top, for Corporations as well as people, exempt welfare and unemployment, no other deductions or concessions and I will agree with you. When you have dealt with the debt and the deficit you can reduce tax just as we did

Our companies would jump at the chance for a 25% rate. The US corporate tax rate is already the highest in the world .The U.S. rate is 39.2% when both federal and state rates are included.Your country by comparison is at 30% .
You can't tax your way out of the debt mess we are in . The only answer is to grow the economy and cut the size of government . That means lower ,flatter rates are in order.

Rich guys can manipulate the books any way they please. And they do. So I think Clete has a legit question. If he can lower his taxes with deductions and still pay a lower rate than the bus drivers, why does he need a bigger tax cut?

And a letter from his accountant means squat. And how are those tax cuts paid for? He hasn't said so how do we know?

our companies would jump at the chance for a 25% rate. The US corporate tax rate is already the highest in the world .The U.S. rate is 39.2% when both federal and state rates are included.Your country by comparison is at 30% .
You can't tax your way out of the debt mess we are in . The only answer is to grow the economy and cut the size of government . That means lower ,flatter rates are in order.

Tom don't keep bringing up all those hoary old chesnuts, we were once at 45% and where did it get us, the business went to China, but now our top marginal rate is 47.5% where it has been for years so we tax the rich and keep the debt low. You might like to think about our system we don't have state tax or state sales tax so we have a nice flat GST 10%. Our corporate taxes are lower so we can compete with you, you might say 39.2% but the effective rate is very low 2% in some cases

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/08/07/653201/corporate-tax-rate-nine-percent/

A 20 year average is only one year? Math is hard isn't it?
Your condescension aside, releasing an average is certainly not the same as releasing your returns. He's hiding something.

Yeh he's hiding that he manipulates the system, doesn't look good to the poor people

Hello again,

Did I mention that I was a tax planner? Actually, I just ran the company, but I learned a few things... Primarily, there's only ONE reason to have a Cayman Island bank account, and that's bank secrecy. The only reason you'd WANT an account like that is if you have something you don't want the US Government to know...

Now, I don't know if he cheated... But, if you see a masked man with a gun walking into a bank, it's a fair assumption to believe that he's going to rob the bank.

excon

Primarily, there's only ONE reason to have a Cayman Island bank account, and that's bank secrecy. The only reason you'd WANT an account like that is if you have something you don't want the US Government to know...

Now, I don't know if he cheated... But, if you see a masked man with a gun walking into a bank, it's a fair assumption to believe that he's going to rob the bank.


I've looked for some time now and I just can't find the law that says having off shore accounts was illegal . Romney has not had income from anything other than investments for some time now . He took on jobs as Governor of Mass. And the Salt Lake City Olympics without pay . So the income he's realized was income that was already taxed ,and is being taxed again .

The Kennedy's are not "masked man with a guns"... right ? And yet the Kennedy family (JFK ,Teddy.. all of them )sheltered almost all their inheritted money there for decades .

Now Mitt... highest estimate I've seen has him having about $30 million in overseas accounts ,which represents about 10% of his wealth.The low was about $7 million . So around 90% of his income is invested in the US .As the audit of his taxes has shown ;he has contributed about 50 million dollars to charity in the time frame of the audit ,and still paid a 14% tax rate... which was far greater than the much richer John Kerry paid.

I've looked for some time now and I just can't find the law that says having off shore accounts was illegal .Hello again, tom:

There's nothing illegal about it all. In fact, I agree with Romney's previous statement, when he said nobody should vote for him if he paid MORE taxes than necessary... That was the essence of what I did... I helped people pay the lowest amount possible... I don't mean to suggest that he cheated, or that I HELPED people cheat. I didn't... I just kept what we did SECRET, and the banks helped with that... Frankly, that's what I think ALL banks should do - keep their MOUTHS shut, but I digress...

Having said that, if I had a client who was interested in running for president at some future date, I'd suggest that he DIDN'T avail himself of my services... That's because it'll LOOK exactly like it DOES look, and that ain't going to help ANY presidential candidate..

In terms of not voting for Romney if he paid MORE taxes than he owed, then NOBODY should vote for him.. Clearly, he didn't deduct all the charitable contributions he made because that would have brought his tax rate BELOW what he told Jake Tapper that it would be. So, he found the tax rate he WANTED to pay, and worked BACKWARDS from there. It was easy. He paid MORE taxes than he owed. Therefore, he doesn't deserve your vote.

So, after FOOLING you and me and Jake Tapper, when the campaign is over, Romney can simply file an amended return and claim ALL the charitable deductions he DIDN'T take, and get them then... We'll never know, will we?

Does Romney really think that nobody understands taxes?? Which brings me to my next point?? Why, at this particular point in the campaign, would he release this return?? From a POLITICAL perspective, this is absolutely the WRONG time to do it...

Obama in an even bigger landslide than I predicted before...

excon

We aren't voting for Romney, the real president and vice is Karl Rove and Grover Norquist, with Rush Limbaugh as press secretary. Mitt Ryan, Paul Romney, whatever, are but the official signer of documents, and his constituents are doormen and drivers for the getaway.

Matter of fact, the first robbery was so successful, they just have to try it again. Can you blame them?

OK so here's the deal. Obama has his pension in the General Assembly Retirement System in Illinois. They are invested in the Cayman Islands and in China through an entity called 'Advent International'... the specific investment being' Advent International GPE VI-A' . It's just part of a diversified portfolio.
So Romney's money is invested in the Caymans and China in a blind trust where he makes no investment decisions ;and the President's pension is invested in the 2 places also. In both cases they make no decision where the money is invested .
Hope that ends that phoney contention .

You mean like Sensata? (http://lemont.patch.com/blog_posts/romneybain-to-profit-from-moving-sensata-to-china)

Romney has majority shares in Bain . He has no operational authority or decision making in the company.Romney ran Bain Capital from 1984 through 1999 He left the company to run the 2004 Winter Olympics .Senseta was acquired by Bain in 2006.

Hello again, tom:

If high gas prices are Obama's fault, Senseta is Romney's fault.

excon

Romney hasn't worked at Bain in over a decade. Obama has been prez for nearly 4 years. Since you're still blaming Bush for everything I don't expect you to understand.

What's ironic is you libs keep living in the past while warning that Romney is going to take us backwards in time.

Hello again, Steve:


Since you're still blaming Bush for everything

Let me ask you this.. Let's say a drunk driver crashed into your car 4 years ago... You were hurt, and hurt badly.. Now, four years later, you're NOT recovering as fast as you want to.

Is your PAIN due to the drunk driver, or your doctor?

Now, if that were ME, it would be the drunk drivers fault FOREVER.. He'd NEVER get a pass. To YOU, the drunk is COOL, but your doctor is the bad guy...

Makes NO sense to me.

Excon

Obama said the low gas prices at the beginning of his term was due to a bad economy. Well gas prices were that low at the end of the Clintoon Presidency and the Dems brag about how good the economy was when he left... AND... gas prices are high now ,and the economy still sucks .

Let me ask you this.. Let's say a drunk driver crashed into your car 4 years ago... You were hurt, and hurt badly.. Now, four years later, you're NOT recovering as fast as you want to.

Is your PAIN due to the drunk driver, or your doctor?

Now, if that were ME, it would be the drunk drivers fault FOREVER.. He'd NEVER get a pass. To YOU, the drunk is COOL, but your doctor is the bad guy...

Makes NO sense to me.

I'd say when you get injured you shouldn't go to an amateur and a quack for treatment. You're an idiot if you keep going to the same quack instead of finding a new doctor.

You guys elected a quack conservative before and want to do it again. That's insanity, because what makes you think the results will be different this time.

Same policies, same taxe cuts, same ideas, just a different conservative, and for the record the patient is stable and healing under this doctor, but not ready for a marathon. But its amazing how you pass over things your guy does, but holler because our guy doesn't dothem the same way,or fast enough.

Amazing!

If you think anemic is good enough then you're there. Even Bill Clinton said the patient is still struggling - at an Obama campaign event.

OeBCWLGoJb0


Governor Romney’s argument is, ‘We’re not fixed, so fire him and put me in.’ It is true, we’re not fixed. When President Obama looked into the eyes of that man, who said in the debate, ‘I had so much hope four years ago, and I don’t now,’ I thought he was gonna’ cry — because he knows that it’s not fixed.

I agree.

So why should we dump the doctor that's making and keeping you stable to one that SAYS he can cure you faster and won't tell you what he will charge for his services?

NOT TOO SMART!!

Hello again, Steve:



Lemme ask you this.. Let's say a drunk driver crashed into your car 4 years ago... You were hurt, and hurt badly.. Now, four years later, you're NOT recovering as fast as you want to.

Is your PAIN due to the drunk driver, or your doctor?

Now, if that were ME, it would be the drunk drivers fault FOREVER.. He'd NEVER get a pass. To YOU, the drunk is COOL, but your doctor is the bad guy...

Makes NO sense to me.

excon

I wouldn't blame either as after getting hooked on the pain mads I don't care anymore. :)

Just keep the scripts coming ;)

So why should we dump the doctor thats making and keeping you stable to one that SAYS he can cure you faster and won't tell you what he will charge for his services?

NOT TOO SMART!!!!

Dude, the only reason the patient is up to anemic is because 4 million people gave up trying to find a job, some guy in California cooked the books and other creative number crunching.

We don't need a witch doctor for four more years.

I wouldnt blame either as after getting hooked on the pain mads I dont care anymore. :)

Just keep the scripts coming ;)

Now that's language ex should understand. :)

Anybody can say they will do a better job, but after 6 years of running for president, what has he offered to back that up. I know what his web sites says, but as far as details, there are NONE!!

And he has disavowed what he says on his web site, so how do YOU think he will pay for what he is going to do? 20% tax cut, AND balance the budget AND increase the military AND create 12 million jobs in four years.

You tell me, I am listening and waiting for YOUR math.

Anybody can say they will do a better job, but after 6 years of running for president, what has he offered to back that up. I know what his web sites says, but as far as details, there are NONE!!!

And he has disavowed what he says on his web site, so how do YOU think he will pay for what he is going to do? 20% tax cut, AND balance the budget AND increase the military AND create 12 million jobs in four years.

You tell me, I am listening and waiting for YOUR math.

And we're waiting on anything from Obama besides Seamus, Big Bird, binders, lady parts, Romnesia and forward, whatever the heck that means.

Hello again, Steve:

So, you admit we're flying blind... I don't disagree.

Therefore, there's ONLY one reason to vote for Obama. That's the Supreme Court Justice he'll nominate, who will vote to SAVE Roe v Wade, and the rest of the progressive agenda we've managed to pass over the last 50 years..

For ME, that's reason enough.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

So, you admit we're flying blind... I don't disagree.

Therefore, there's ONLY one reason to vote for Obama. That's the Supreme Court Justice he'll nominate, who will vote to SAVE Roe v Wade, and the rest of the progressive agenda we've managed to pass over the last 50 years..

For ME, that's reason enough.

excon

Flying blind? Not exactly, I have full confidence in getting government out of the way, cutting taxes to promote growth which will increase revenue.

Makes more sense than a $40 billion tax increase and another $3 trillion budget to spend on Obama picking 'winners.'

Hello again, Steve:


I have full confidence in getting government out of the way, cutting taxes to promote growth which will increase revenue.Talk about hope and change...

Bwa, ha ha ha.

Excon

And we're waiting on anything from Obama besides Seamus, Big Bird, binders, lady parts, Romnesia and forward, whatever the heck that means.

Don't want to answer my question huh? That's okay, I knew you wouldn't, or can't. Don't feel bad, Mittens can't either.

You can tell Obama and his surrogates are nervous, besides the aforementioned Sesame Street strategies et al, they're going after testimony in a divorce (http://www.tmz.com/2012/10/23/mitt-romney-divorce-thomas-stemberg-maureen-staples-gloria-allred-boston-globe/) for some "juicy" stuff about Romney, like maybe Romney urged someone not to have an abortion or suggested a woman put a child up for adoption. How scandalous that would be.

And let's not miss Chris Matthews making it racial again, a vote for Romney can only mean one thing, RACISM (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/263443-chris-matthews-racial-hatred-drives-romney-support)!

He must be hearing dog whistles again. Didn't someone mention basketball?

Smart republicans are no where to be found and the loonies are the only ones you see, like Sununu.

It's how Obama gets elected... get some sealed court docs about the opponent unsealed. The Chicago way .

And let's not miss Chris Matthews making it racial again, a vote for Romney can only mean one thing, RACISM (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/263443-chris-matthews-racial-hatred-drives-romney-support)!
That's the line I'm getting from my Republican relatives and in-laws -- Obama is half black *shudder*.

Smart republicans are no where to be found and the loonies are the only ones you see, like Sununu.

And you have Biden and a guy who thinks we have 57 states and that bayonets are irrelevant. What's your point?

That's the line I'm getting from my Republican relatives and in-laws -- Obama is half black *shudder*.

He's not half-black?

He's not half-black?
Yes, his whiteness has been tainted.

You said that, not me.

You said that, not me.
No, my Republican relatives and in laws are saying it.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/new-new-low-obama-campaign-693760-14.html#post3306135

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/new-new-low-obama-campaign-693760-14.html#post3306135
I'm quoting my Republican relatives and in-laws.

Well then you have some racist relatives. I can't recall anyone saying that in my circle, we just don't like his politics.

Well then you have some racist relatives. I can't recall anyone saying that in my circle, we just don't like his politics.
Just like when President Bush took us into war with Afghanistan and Iraq and I objected -- "But, Carol, he's a CHRISTIAN and knows what he is doing!"

Just like when President Bush took us into war with Afghanistan and Iraq and I objected -- "But, Carol, he's a CHRISTIAN and knows what he is doing!"

So we've finally found the wackos, they're with you?

So we've finally found the wackos, they're with you?
Some are in Illinois and some are in NY State.

Well, that's not the south.

Well, that's not the south.
What's the South got to do with it? (although... I was born and raised there, and know the Republicans down there believe that too.)

And so because you know or knew someone who thought that way they all do?