I know I'm going to get jumped on for this but I have been rescuing dogs and cats sense I was very young and I have a 9 year old rottwiler lab mix that I rescued at about 6 months old she had been beaten starved sevrial of her litter mates had been killed by the oweners or cars anyway she has been diinsosied with diabetes about a month ago and now she has stopped eatting I have been force feeding her for a week now and she is not getting any better I can't take her to the vet for I have a nowborn, health problems and no income as of may she had an alergic reation to a fla medican right before this started I have put her on antibotics and vitamen past if is there any advice please I could use it I fear she is going to die she is very weak

i know im going to get jumped on for this but i have been rescuing dogs and cats sence i was very young and i have a 9 year old rottwiler lab mix that i rescued at about 6 months old she had been beaten starved sevrial of her litter mates had been killed by the oweners or cars anyways she has been diinsosied with diabetes about a month ago and now she has stoped eatting i have been force feeding her for a week now and she is not getting any better i can't take her to the vet for i have a nowborn, health problems and no income as of may she had an alergic reation to a fla medican right before this started i have put her on antibotics and vitamen past if is there any advice please i could use it i fear she is going to die she is very weak


You apparently don't understand diabetes. It's the inability of the body to convert sugar into energy. That's a VERY basic explanation. Vitamins, antibiotics, things of that nature are ineffective because they don't address the problem.

Yes, there is a really good possibility she will die a slow and painful death. Her kidneys will shut down.

You are not doing her any favors by holding on to her. Either give her to someone who can afford her Vet visits and insulin or call your local animal shelter.

She isn't sick. She IS diabetic. A diabetic death is a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE death.

Force feeding her is very possibly making it worse, depending on what you are force feeding her.

I had a diabetic dog; my husband DIED from the side effects of diabetes.

Please - she is suffering. She looks to you for help. Help her.

Can you just sit there, wringing your hands, while you watch her die?

I'll refrain from jumping on you and urge you to think of the dogs well being.
Diabetes can be tricky it must be monitored and managed carefully, this can get expensive.
Is she on insulin? You know this will be life long for her.
If you truly cannot afford to care for her properly then do her a favor and consider euthanasia or surrendering her to someone who can properly care for her.
There is no shame in either of these things if done with the best interest of the dog at the heart of it.

No she is not on insulin and I'm force feeding her boiled chicken, chicken liver, fresh veggies and fruit with rice blinded about 100 cc every 2 to 4 hours and she had an alergic reaction and a infection that I treeted and she is not bouncing back that's why I said she was sick I I know about Diabetes some of my family have it or the oppisite including me I am not getting rid of her or putting her down I jujt want help on what I can do to help speed her healing I have dealt with worse like parvo in 11 puppies and akk are alive and well the vet told me that the only reason they all did so well is because of how much I did that even they did not have the staff or time now I hardly slept for 3 weeks and was pushing fluds and any thing I could get in them intell they got brtter I can do this money or not I just want some advice from some one that has dealt with it longer than I have in dogs

no she is not on insulin and im force feeding her boiled chicken, chicken liver, fresh veggies and fruit with rice blinded about 100 cc every 2 to 4 hours and she had an alergic reaction and a infection that i treeted and she is not bouncing back thats why i said she was sick i i know about Diabetes some of my family have it or the oppisite including me i am not getting rid of her or putting her down i jujt want help on what i can do to help speed her healing i have dealt with worse like parvo in 11 puppies and akk are alive and well the vet told me that the only reason they all did so well is because of how much i did that even thay did not have the staff or time now i hardly slept for 3 weeks and was pushing fluds and any thing i could get in them intell thay got brtter i can do this money or not i just want some advice from some one that has dealt with it longer than i have in dogs


You are feeding a diabetic dog fruit! Who advised that?

What is the opposite of Diabetes?

She won't HEAL. It's not a problem like an infection or a broken leg. She isn't converting sugar to energy (and I see it's pointless to get any more complicated here than that), and you are feeding her FRUIT! Diabetes is a disease, not an illness.

I had a diabetic dog. She lived to be 12 - on insulin and monthly Vet visits. And, yes, eventually her kidneys failed. It comes with the disease.

I'm not saying Parvo is or isn't worse. Maybe they're the same. What does that matter? Parvo is NOT permanent; Diabetes is. Parvo is curable. Diabetes is not. Amazing if you had 11 puppies with Parvo and they all survived, truly amazing. Good for you.

Diabetes is not Parvo. If you have a history of Diabetes (and I need you to explain the medical opposite to me) then you know how quickly people (and animals) can go into shock, how terrible kidney failure is, that kidneys do not "come back" with medication.

I don't understand your point of view here.

You want help getting your Diabetic dog over being sick. Diabetes is not a sickness. Diabetes is a disease, an uncurable disease. What else do you want to know?

Small amounts like oranges to give her vitamen c and natral suger is not as bad as other sugar and I know Diabetes is not a sickness she got sick after getting diensosed with Diabetes ( an infection) and the oppisite of Diabetes is hypoglycemia and I have that

small amounts like oranges to give her vitamen c and natral suger is not as bad as other sugar and i know Diabetes is not a sickness she got sick after getting diensosed with Diabetes ( an infection) and the oppisite of Diabetes is hypoglycemia and i have that


Here's my source and the info: "Hypoglycemia happens from time to time to everyone who has diabetes - Check blood glucose levels to determine when your level is low; Learn to identify the symptoms of hypoglycemia so you can treat it quickly; Treat hypoglycemia by raising your blood glucose level with some form of sugar. Hypoglycemia, sometimes called an insulin reaction, can happen even during those times when you're doing all you can to manage your diabetes. So, although many times you can't prevent it from happening, hypoglycemia can be treated before it gets worse. For this reason, it's important to know what hypoglycemia is, what symptoms of hypoglycemia are, and how to treat hypoglycemia." Hypoglycemia (Low blood glucose) - American Diabetes Association (http://www.diabetes.org/living-with-diabetes/treatment-and-care/blood-glucose-control/hypoglycemia-low-blood.html)

Right, oranges are not as bad as other fruits.

So, again, what is your question.

She has stopped eatting I have been force feeding her for a week now and she is not getting any better I can't take her to the vet for I have a nowborn, health problems and no income as of may she had an alergic reation to a fla medican and an infection right before this started I have put her on antibotics and vitamen past

she has stoped eatting i have been force feeding her for a week now and she is not getting any better i can't take her to the vet for i have a nowborn, health problems and no income as of may she had an alergic reation to a fla medican and an infection right before this started i have put her on antibotics and vitamen past


I already answered this - as did Ladysam.

I want to know what I can do to help her get better sense I can't take her to the vet

i want to know what i can do to help her get better sence i can't take her to the vet



Read my first post - she's diabetic. She needs/requires insulin. There is NO home remedy for diabetes. You can't mix up your own batch of insulin. You are giving a diabetic dog that is NOT on insulin oranges which contain sugar which is "better" than other types of sugar, but sugar nevertheless.

Quite frankly while you're fooling around here her organs - kidneys, heart - are being damaged by the highs and lows in her blood sugar.

If you can't afford her, take her to someone who can. Everyone who posts here isn't independently wealthy. I think we've all BEGGED a Vet at one time or another for help, for a payment plan, for something to help our dogs. I took a THIRD job at one time in my life because I had a life and death situation with a much loved GSD. A lot of us had made really tough decisions this past year when it's come to our pets. In some cases it was a partially financial decision. In other cases it was not.

Did you read what I posted? My late husband was a highly educated man, a college professor, a practicing Doctor of Pharmacy. He was Diabetic. He had all the time and money and resources to manage his Diabetes. The lows and highs permanently damaged his kidneys and heart and intestines. He died a TERRIBLE death - despite the time and money and resources.

You have diabetics in your family. Is someone force feeding them and not providing access to insulin?

And you are sentencing your dog to that and simply cannot understand that diabetes is NOT a sickness and there IS no cure.

What else do you possibly want anyone to say?

Good that you saved 11 puppies with Parvo. Your Vet says - or so you posted - that you are totally responsible for them living and dying. Show the same consideration to this dog. Get help for your dog!

You have computer access. Give it up. Use that money to help your dog.

I cannot believe your cruelty, I simply cannot.

No you are not getting it I know its not an sinkness what I am saying she got sick and I can't give her to someone I have no one that can take care of her and I'm not putting her down so help me or quit posting

no you are not getting it i know its not an sinkness what i am saying she got sick and i can't give her to someone i have no one that can take care of her and im not putting her down so help me or quit posting
Without insulin, she will die. There is no other way to help her.

no you are not getting it i know its not an sinkness what i am saying she got sick and i can't give her to someone i have no one that can take care of her and im not putting her down so help me or quit posting

Excuse me for shouting - you can't help her! What is it that you are not understanding?

You call a rescue, you call the SPCA, you call the Animal Control Officer. How do you think I ended up with a diabetic dog?

She was a surrender because she was diabetic.

What do you not understand? The lack of appetite is most likely directly related to the diabetes.
So you are shoving food into her, your own mixture of this and that.
Was this advised by your vet, did your vet not stress the need to you that you regulate the blood glucose and get her on an insulin dosage that will work to help keep her glucose in check?
What exactly are you calling sick?the fact that she is not eating.
I'm confused, I've seen the words diabetes, allergic reaction and sick, to you what is sick?

Since you are not believing what Judy is telling you I will leave this web site to read

Canine Diabetes Center (http://www.marvistavet.com/html/canine_diabetes_center.html)

Be sure to read the section on Diabetic Ketoacidosis, which is probably what your dog is experiencing now.
What I don't understand is how you can rescue a dog from starvation, beatings and whatever else and then when unable or unwilling to help her you turn your nose up at euthanasia which is much more humane goodbye than the one you are planning to give her. You need to help her if you can't, then find someone who can.

no you are not getting it i know its not an sinkness what i am saying she got sick and i can't give her to someone i have no one that can take care of her and im not putting her down so help me or quit posting

Let me try to explain, even though you haven't listened so far, or really don't understand.

She isn't sick of something you, or we, can cure. She is diabetic, and the way she's acting right now is because she's not getting treatment for her diabetes.

You stated that you can't afford the treatment. So really, you only have a few options. You asked for advice, and you've gotten the only advice that can help your dog. Here are your options.

1. Find the money to take her to the vet and get the insulin she needs.

2. Take her to the shelter, they'll treat her, and find her a new home, one that's willing and able to provide her with the medicine she needs to live.

3. Put her to sleep.

4. Watch her die a slow and painful death.

Those are your only options. There aren't any other options. This is not a cold, or even parvo. You can't cure this by feeding her rice and chicken, or any other home remedy. This dog needs insulin, she's diabetic!

I don't understand how you're not realizing that this is life or death, no matter what you want to do.

I see that you are in a very difficult situation and my heart goes out to you and your dog. She obviously requires ongoing veterinary care and due to life circumstances beyond your control you find yourself unable to care for her properly at this time. Regardless, due to your dog's condition she definitely requires treatment right now. So, if you can't afford to take your dog to the vet you need to find another option. It is highly unlikely that you will be able to help her yourself or that anyone on a forum can help you with the treatment she needs. However, there are alternatives.

Please check out the following websites that might help you find a means of being able to provide your dog with the necessities of life... I think you will find them helpful.

Having Trouble Affording Veterinary Care? : The Humane Society of the United States (http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/resources/tips/trouble_affording_veterinary_care.html)

Financial Assistance for Veterinary Care | Animal Compassion Network (ACN) (http://www.animalcompassionnetwork.org/resources/1)

I hope that the information on those pages help you to get your pet the medical care she so dearly deserves. If not, then I would strongly suggest you turn her over to a suitable dog rescue or the SPCA in your area. As much as it hurts, you must put the best interests of your gal at heart. I think you will find a means of providing her with what she needs if your read the links that I provided though. I do hope you can get her the help she needs before it's too late. Please let us know how things go.

Hugs,
Didi

Please check out the following websites that might help you find a means of being able to provide your dog with the necessities of life... I think you will find them helpful.


She should start by talking to HER Vet in her town - she is not willing to do this although she apparently knows the Vet well.

Any "assistance" in my area (and, as far, as I know, the US) needs information from the Veterinarian. I've worked enough fund raisers to have experience in this area. If the dog is no longer eating and being forced fed - well, see what the Vet recommends.

The owner needs to take the first step - and she also needs to face reality.

It's a very bad situation all the way around - and sad.

Whod o you do rescue through? Maybe they can help. Either way this is not something you can treat at home. Surrender her to the spca or watch her die slowly and painfully at your hands. Even euthanasia would be less cruel at this point.

She should start by talking to HER Vet in her town - she is not willing to do this although she apparently knows the Vet well.

While I agree, I think that before jumping you might want to actually check out the one website I recommended ( http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/resources/tips/trouble_affording_veterinary_care.html ) as it very clearly lists ways of working with your veterinarian. In addition, I don't know where this person lives, but I do know that where I live it would be very expensive to treat this dog, no matter how much negotiating I did with my regular vet. As a general rule, all of my pets receive the very best of veterinary care. However, when I was recently widowed, dealing with my adopted daughter's Reactive Attachment Disorder regression, having heart issues, suffering from depression (just to name a few things) I found it extremely difficult to cope with a serious health condition that our rescued kitten was found to have.

I was very fortunate to have people in my life who could offer me hope instead of blame. Should I have given up our kitten who had the worst heart condition 3 vets had ever seen? Would she have had a better life? No. She had already been through enough, and quite frankly so had I. Thanks to the people I spoke of earlier I actually felt like I had options and hope. There are times in people's lives where circumstances just leave you feeling helpless. Rather than have people jump all over you and drag you further down a pit of perceived helplessness and despair, I feel it's better to treat them with respect and empathy and offer alternatives that enable them to take the appropriate action.

You may not agree with me, and that's fine. However, in my nearly 60 years of life and over 40 years of working both with and for animals and people, I have learned that I get better results when I treat BOTH with compassion and understanding so I will continue to do so. I'm all about whatever WORKS to resolve a situation and I don't feel blame, shame and personal attacks works in the majority of situations. In fact, I feel that it is usually counter-productive. Of course this is just my experience...

Hugs, Didi

While I agree, I think that before jumping you might want to actually check out the one website I recommended ( Having Trouble Affording Veterinary Care? : The Humane Society of the United States (http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/resources/tips/trouble_affording_veterinary_care.html) ) as it very clearly lists ways of working with your veterinarian. In addition, I don't know where this person lives, but I do know that where I live it would be very expensive to treat this dog, no matter how much negotiating I did with my regular vet. As a general rule, all of my pets receive the very best of veterinary care. However, when I was recently widowed, dealing with my adopted daughter's Reactive Attachment Disorder regression, having heart issues, suffering from depression (just to name a few things) I found it extremely difficult to cope with a serious health condition that our rescued kitten was found to have.

I was very fortunate to have people in my life who could offer me hope instead of blame. Should I have given up our kitten who had the worst heart condition 3 vets had ever seen? Would she have had a better life? No. She had already been through enough, and quite frankly so had I. Thanks to the people I spoke of earlier I actually felt like I had options and hope. There are times in people's lives where circumstances just leave you feeling helpless. Rather than have people jump all over you and drag you further down a pit of perceived helplessness and despair, I feel it's better to treat them with respect and empathy and offer alternatives that enable them to take the appropriate action.

You may not agree with me, and that's fine. However, in my nearly 60 years of life and over 40 years of working both with and for animals and people, I have learned that I get better results when I treat BOTH with compassion and understanding so I will continue to do so. I'm all about whatever WORKS to resolve a situation and I don't feel blame, shame and personal attacks works in the majority of situations. In fact, I feel that it is usually counter-productive. Of course this is just my experience....

Hugs, Didi


As you know I was also widowed so you have my sympathy there.

However, no one jumped all over this woman. Did you read the thread? She thinks Diabetes is a sickness and she can make her dog "better" through force feeding and goodness knows what else WITHOUT the services of a Vet.

Yes, I'm very familiar with the vast majority of the sites you posted. I am not aware of a single one who works directly with the owner and NOT with the Vet. Your circumstance as you posted it is not even close to what the OP is expressing. Should you have given up on the kitten with the most serious health problems? Quite frankly, yes - if the kitten was suffering. Did you seek the help of a Vet? Yes. Did the OP? Apparently not.

Do you actually know anyone who has end stage kidney disease, who has suffered the ravages of kidney disease, who has died of kidney disease? It's not a nice, clean death.

The OP has not approached her Vet about this particular dog. When she does that - and I can only speak for myself - I'll be a LOT more understanding. And please don't think you're the only person who has posted here who has had loss and financial difficulties. Did you read that I took a third job when my GSD was sick and needed medication?

Sorry but this OP wasn't simply the object of anyone's upset because "we" didn't have anything better to do. She chose not to listen and to leave her dog suffering while she stuffed food down his throat.

That is irresponsible.

And hugs back to you - and I'm sorry for your loss.

The humane society doesn't have the funds to provide on going medical care. Spay neuter, vaccines and some other ONE time services, but not continual care for things like diabetes, they WILL help her with euthanasia costs though.

The humane society doesn't have the funds to provide on going medical care. Spay neuter, vaccines and some other ONE time services, but not continual care for things like diabetes, they WILL help her with euthanasia costs though.

Bella, I agree and disagree.

In the Humane society in our area they will likely try to find a foster family and they will provide some money towards the cost of treatment, if not all. Fund raising, and many other things, are done for just this sort of thing.

A dog that is otherwise healthy, and able to find a new home, is not euthanized just because they don't have the money. Many times the vets that volunteer at the Humane society will pay for the treatment out of their own pocket, if the dog is a good candidate for a new home. I've seen it many times before. :)

But, that's the Humane society in my area. I can't speak for others. You and I live in the same country and obviously your experience is very different than mine. So I can just imagine what other countries do.

Rather than have people jump all over you and drag you further down a pit of perceived helplessness and despair, I feel it's better to treat them with respect and empathy and offer alternatives that enable them to take the appropriate action.

Didi, I have a great deal of respect for you, but I would like to ask. What alternatives could we have offered?

Do you know of an alternative treatment for diabetes? If so, why don't the doctors and vets know about this?

We gave the OP the only options she has. I'd love to know what else we could have suggested, because really, I see no other alternative other than getting the dog the treatment it needs, putting the dog to sleep, or watching the dog die. If there is an alternative, please, share it with us.

I don't see a single post on this thread where someone jumped on this poster. We gave her advice, she refused to accept it. We gave her alternatives, she didn't want to hear them.

I have many animals. If one of my fur babies was diagnosed with diabetes I doubt that I could afford the treatment. I can tell you that my fur babies are like my children. I would rather see them go to another home then watch them die a slow painful death because I can't afford to give them the treatment they need. If I couldn't do that for them, then I'd put them down humanely, and go home crying my eyes out because I couldn't fulfill the promise I made to them when I brought them to my home. But there's no shame in any of that. Vets are expensive. There's not one person on this thread that doesn't understand that. But for the OP to dismiss the seriousness of her dogs situation, that is not okay.

I really resent you post. We did the best we could. If you can do better, then please, do. So far you haven't.

Didi, I have a great deal of respect for you, but I would like to ask. What alternatives could we have offered?

Thank you, Alty. I appreciate that you have respect for me. To clarify, my issue wasn't with the alternatives that were (or were not) offered. It was the manner in which they were offered.


Do you know of an alternative treatment for diabetes? If so, why don't the doctors and vets know about this?

No, I do not know of an alternative treatment for diabetes and even if I did I probably wouldn't give it here, because it should be a decision between a pet owner and their veterinarian.


We gave the OP the only options she has. I'd love to know what else we could have suggested, because really, I see no other alternative other than getting the dog the treatment it needs, putting the dog to sleep, or watching the dog die. If there is an alternative, please, share it with us.

I agree that there are only 3 options here. I personally would have the dog euthanized or ensure she receives treatment. I was trying to provide the original poster with the strength to see that she DOES have options and she CAN ensure her dog gets the treatment it needs. I attempted to empathize with her and provide her with a few resources that would help her to gather the means necessary to meet that end.

I assume (and I could be wrong) that you didn't even look at the one site I referred her to. It had a link to look at a list of groups nationwide that offer veterinary care assistance. It gave advice as to how you might work with your vet to negotiate a payment plan; suggested offering services to your vet to help pay for their services; suggested going to an area where vet care is less expensive; and suggested checking out veterinary schools (and provided links) as many veterinary schools in the U.S. run low cost clinics for those with limited incomes.

The site offered some great ideas on how to raise the funds to afford your vet care (i.e. - yard sales, selling items on eBay, etc.) They outlined resources for short term credit available even if your credit rating is poor and provided links for dog-breed specific veterinary care assistance programs. They also explained that you should speak to your vet to submit an assistance request to the American Animal Hospital Association's "Helping Pets Fund".

See, I tried to find a way that the dog's owner could figure out how to actually get veterinary care. Sometimes, when you are in a bad situation you feel there is no way out. I felt that page, in particular, offered MANY ways out. [/QUOTE]


I don't see a single post on this thread where someone jumped on this poster. We gave her advice, she refused to accept it. We gave her alternatives, she didn't want to hear them.

Perhaps you are right there, however, even when I read all of the posts again I felt that most people were reacting instead of actually helping this woman find a way to do what she needed to do. I personally would have felt attacked if I were in her shoes and I didn't feel that anyone really gave her any constructive advice. I felt that I did.


I really resent you post. We did the best we could. If you can do better, then please, do. So far you haven't.

I'm sorry that you resent my post, Alty. I felt upset reading many posts from people who just kept telling her she needed to go to the vet while the woman was quite clear that she felt she couldn't because she had already spent a lot on the vet recently, she had a newborn baby, she was suffering from health problems herself and she had no income. Is it an ideal situation? NO. However, the goal was to get that dog to the vet any way I could. It was apparent to me that the previous posts were not working so I was attempting to be empathetic and kind while offering her constructive advice that she could find a way to get her dog the treatment it required... whether that be euthanasia or medication.

She didn't need to hear that the dog needed to go to the vet. She KNEW that. She felt that she COULDN'T afford it. The links I provided gave her the knowledge that she COULD get that dog to the vet with not just one option, but many great options. So, while you don't think I did "better" so far, I feel I did, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I meant no disrespect to anyone. My goal was to help the dog. Hopefully the original poster found a means through the websites I provided and the dog is either being euthanized or treated as I type. She felt that she was not able to take the dog to a vet. I made sure that she knows that she CAN. In my books that was very helpful - whether she uses the knowledge or not.

I do hope you can step back and understand where I was coming from and not feel like you have to resent my post but see that my original response to the poster was a good one filled with empathy and resources to ensure her dog received care. Anyhow, even if you do resent my post... I still love you. :)

Hugs, Didi

Didi, I'm sorry but I feel like I have to jump in here.

This dog is dying. Dying. Being force fed - and dying. The OP is stuffing oranges down the throat of a dying dog (with the excuse that they contain less sugar than who knows what). I'm not reading anywhere that "OP" knew the dog needed treatment. I am reading that she thought she could cure the "sickness."

I've had dogs. I've had rough times. If you can't afford your animals, don't have animals - it's not just all glory and congratulations because you "saved" any numbers of dogs with Parvo. It's about the day to day caring for their needs. So the OP now has a newborn, has health issues, has no money - so the dog dies a painful death?

Didi, I've posted thousands of times. Literally thousands of times. I was on this thread for hours - look at the times - literally hours! Ladysam was here; Alty joined me. You had criticism.

When anyone comes on and criticizes the advice I also feel insulted. Maybe you could have answered more kindly or more helpfully than I did - and I can only address me. If you have superior information, I'd like to hear it.

The OP continued to believe that Diabetes was a "sickness" that she could cure at home. I see absolutely no indication that she has consulted with a Veterinarian, asked about prices, asked about help. I see her force feeding a dying dog (and, yes, I know all about diabetes and dying) and excusing her behavior.

There isn't time to hold a lemonade sale - the dog is shutting down!

What are you reading in any of OP's posts that I am missing?

Sorry, but it's easy to come in and quarterback when the game is over.

Judy, I have to spread the rep.

Didi, I read your post to me, and I can only say this. I still respect you, and perhaps you read the thread differently than I did, or anyone else did. Fact is, everyone else that answered read it the way I did. So perhaps you read it wrong?

From what I read, the OP knows her dog is diabetic, but doesn't believe that the symptoms her dog is experiencing are related to diabetes, even though the dog has not received treatment for diabetes. She thinks the dog is just sick. Upset tummy, or something else mundane.

The OP believes that force feeding her dog, and forgoing vet care, will cure her dog.

You can't cure diabetes. We all know that. Correction, the majority of people know that, but the OP is clueless in that regard.

No, she can't afford the vet. I get that, been there, done that, and I can't speak for everyone else that posted, but the majority of those that did have been in the same boat. Vets are expensive. We all know that.

Here's why I was insulted by your post. We told the OP that she needs to find a way to treat her dog, be it getting assistance, a loan, or giving up her dog. She insists that her dog is just sick, that the issues her dog is having have nothing to do with the untreated diabetes. She refuses to accept that a diabetic dog that's not getting insulin and treatment for the diabetes, will die, that the supposed illness she thinks her dog has, is not an illness, but a side effect of the diabetes that's not being treated.

Not once did the OP say "okay, I can't afford to treat my dog for diabetes". She said she can't afford a vet, even though a vet diagnosed the diabetes. She refused to accept that the issues had to do with a diabetic dog. Sorry, repeating myself. :(

Fact is, a diabetic dog needs treatment for diabetes. If the OP can't afford to do that, no, I won't judge her, nor will anyone else on this thread. We've all been there. But every other option we gave was dismissed, because the OP won't accept, or believe, that her dog isn't just sick, it's dying from lack of diabetic treatment.

The OP never took any option, the only options she has, to heart. She continued to post that she just wanted to keep her dog alive, from a supposed illness, without getting the treatment for diabetes, which is killing her dog.

Sorry if this makes no sense. I just really don't think you get the whole picture. You said you agree she has only a few options. Well, that's what we've been battling. None of those options, the only options available, are things she's willing to do.

So the dog dies. Slowly, painfully, because his owner didn't want to hear that the problem isn't a stomach bug, or something else, but diabetes. Chicken and rice won't cure it, nor will oranges. That means death, since she won't even try to get vet advice, won't re-home the dog and won't even contact the Humane society. Death. That's it.

That's why we're upset.

Judy, I have to spread the rep.



Thanks - and likewise.

It always pains me (doesn't hurt me) that it's so easy to come into a conversation and judge the people who came before.

I know I've done it. I know I've regretted it.

So now we've all spent a lot of time, the OP hasn't (and probably won't come back) and no one knows (or understands) any more than they did this time yesterday.

Sigh -

Thanks - and likewise.

It always pains me (doesn't hurt me) that it's so easy to come into a conversation and judge the people who came before.

I know I've done it. I know I've regretted it.

So now we've all spent a lot of time, the OP hasn't (and probably won't come back) and no one knows (or understands) any more than they did this time yesterday.

Sigh -

We tried to make her understand, we did our very best. She wouldn't, or couldn't, or simply didn't. Not our fault. It is what it is.

Sadly we can only save those that listen. The OP wouldn't listen, so her dog will likely die a painful death.

I wish there was something we could do about that. I wish I could save every dog or any other animal I meet. But none of us can. We can only do what we can do. If the human being in charge of that pet refuses to listen, refuses to see the truth, the animal pays the price. It's painful, and hurts, but what else can we do? We can't make someone intelligent. We can't force someone to listen to reason. It's not in our power.

It is what it is, and it's part of the hardship of volunteering on a site like this. Not everyone will get it. In fact, only a few do. All we can do is continue and hope that one out of a hundred is smart enough to follow the advice given.

I resigned myself to this fact a long time ago. It was hard. But, if push comes to shove I'd rather save 1 out of a hundred than 0. That one counts. That one is why I continue to post. This just wasn't that one. :(

I'm the only one so far who hasn't responded to this, please allow me to do so, but before that let me say this.
Grammadidi, I have always admired the posts that you make in the pet forum, you do bring compassion, thoughtfulness and sincerity.
But in this case I can only go by what the OP posted which was,

"i know im going to get jumped on for this but"

I'm taking to mean the she already knows how others may feel about this probably because she has already heard it.

"i have been rescuing dogs and cats sence i was very young and i have a 9 year old rottwiler lab mix that i rescued at about 6 months old she had been beaten starved sevrial of her litter mates had been killed by the oweners or cars"

Somehow justifies what she is about to say.

"has been diinsosied with diabetes about a month ago"

The dog was diagnosed with diabetes, I presume by a vet a month ago.

"i have been force feeding her for a week now and she is not getting any better"

You should never have to force feed a diabetic dog, if you have to resort to force feeding then something is very wrong.

"i can't take her to the vet for i have a nowborn, health problems and no income"

I get that I've been through some pretty tough times myself.

" i have put her on antibotics and vitamen"

I can only take for the exact way it sounds, she is self medicating the dog.

"i fear she is going to die'

She realizes that her dog is in bad shape.

I don't think I jumped on her, you may have read it differentlly.
I was simply trying to urge her to do right by the dog.
If that meant rehoming or euthanasia then so be it.
After her post that he dog had not been on insulin it was pretty apparent, to me anyway, that
1) She and her vet were not on the same page, I can't imagine that after a diagnosis of diabetes that a vet didn't stress the need for proper treatment, if that is the case she needed a different vet.
2) She was equating diabetes in dogs with non insulin dependent diabetes in people where insulin is not the treatment, but rather more diet related. She did post that she had family members that were diabetic but didn't elaborate.

What I saw after the first post and her response to the first couple of posts, given the history of what was going on was simply, this is a case where this dog stand little chance of recovery because her body is likely in shock due to her uncontrolled diabetic state.

I've seen this scenario too many times, pet owners will allow their animal to suffer and languish when it is apparent what needs to be done.
It is heartbreaking to watch, often times the owners at our clinic stay away and force us to watch this play out while either declining treatment or treating to the extent that that pet has no quality of life.
It makes me angry, but I don't think that anger was directed at this particular person.
I simply asked her to take the best interest of her pet to heart.

Don't get me wrong, I know where you were coming from and I actually appreciated your post.
I simply think that this dog was living on borrowed time and OP had already neglected the condition for a month, I can guarantee you that the dog had been diabetic longer than that.

Lady Sam, I'm in tears. I wish I knew you in real life. I'd invite you to my home in a heart beat.

I can only respond online. I was able to give you rep, and wish I could do more.

You said what I failed to say. You said it eloquently. That's something I have yet to learn. I'm blunt to a fault. :( I doubt that I'll change. Too old, and too stubborn. ;)

Well said. Very well said.

Will the OP and Didi get it? I really hope so.

Bella, I agree and disagree.

In the Humane society in our area they will likely try to find a foster family and they will provide some money towards the cost of treatment, if not all. Fund raising, and many other things, are done for just this sort of thing.

A dog that is otherwise healthy, and able to find a new home, is not euthanized just because they don't have the money. Many times the vets that volunteer at the Humane society will pay for the treatment out of their own pocket, if the dog is a good candidate for a new home. I've seen it many times before. :)

But, that's the Humane society in my area. I can't speak for others. You and I live in the same country and obviously your experience is very different than mine. So I can just imagine what other countries do.


But this dog isn't other wise healthy AND not in a high re-adopt rate, other wise, I know from personal experience that the HS here in NS will not pay for continuing care for a dog with an illness. They just can't afford it. All I am saying is that this point euthanasia is more humane than what she is doing.

But this dog isn't other wise healthy AND not in a high re-adopt rate, other wise, I know from personal experience that the HS here in NS will not pay for continuing care for a dog with an illness. They just can't afford it. All I am saying is that this point euthanasia is more humane than what she is doing.

I do agree that euthanasia is much more humane that what she's doing.

But, I would give the humane society a call. There are many people that foster that are willing and able to take care of the costs of medication. It happens all the time, but again, that's where I live, and it's not the same at every shelter.

I do agree that euthanasia is much more humane that what she's doing.

But, I would give the humane society a call. There are many people that foster that are willing and able to take care of the costs of medication. It happens all the time, but again, that's where I live, and it's not the same at every shelter.



And, again, that's how I happened to have a diabetic dog own me (and that's pretty much the way it worked out). I got the call, diabetic dog, could I help just until she was stablized. Lie, lie, lie. And I keep falling for it!

She died with me holding her and looking into her eyes 12 years later!

Her name was Maggie May. She was a great dog.