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bad1989
Jul 29, 2012, 06:46 PM
They letted my friend move in with her and they knew how old he was. He lives in ky

bad1989
Jul 29, 2012, 06:54 PM
The parents knew how old he was the whole time they were together. The daughter ask the mom if he could move in. The couple got into it and the mom called the cops and told them she only knew about is age for a few weeks. He is charge with class d statutory rape in ky

ScottGem
Jul 29, 2012, 07:30 PM
Statutory rape occurs when sex involves a child under the age of consent. That means the child can't legally consent and the parents can't consent for them.

Yes the parents can get into trouble for putting the child in that position. But it is not a defense for the person being accused of rape.

bad1989
Jul 29, 2012, 07:40 PM
So he can still get jail time. The parents allowed this to go on for 4 n a half months. They also gave him two counts of sodumy. They lived in the same room. His lawyer said there is lies in this case

joypulv
Jul 29, 2012, 07:48 PM
bad1989, you aren't him, and he has a lawyer, and there are too many 2nd hand reports this way. Let his lawyer do his or her job.

bad1989
Jul 29, 2012, 07:57 PM
I just don't want to see him in prison for this.

bad1989
Jul 29, 2012, 08:07 PM
What do u mean 2nd hand reports

joypulv
Jul 29, 2012, 08:12 PM
You are the 2nd hand reporter. There are far too many details that you don't have that the lawyer will sort out. Maybe if the parents realize that they can be in trouble too they will try to get the DA to drop the charges, but the DA can proceed anyway.

bad1989
Jul 29, 2012, 08:17 PM
Im a witness to all this. His lawyer drop his bond from 50,000 to 500. There is a no contact order on him. The girl already contacted him on fb

Fr_Chuck
Jul 29, 2012, 09:09 PM
So you were standing there when they had sex ? You were in the court when court dropped the bond, ( his attorney can not drop a bond, only ask for a reduction)

If he is on bail, and she is the victim, there is already a law in place to keep him from contcting the victim of the crime that he is charged with.

And yes, parents can not give consent, and the girl can not. So yes he will be going to prison almost sure of it, in fact they should be ready for several years at least, here in GA they will get from 3 to 7 years and I have seen some at 10 year sentence, with them serving 1/2 to 3/4 of it.

bad1989
Jul 29, 2012, 09:21 PM
No I was not there while the sex happen. I just know that her parents let him move in knowing his age and stay in the same room with her. When he first met her she told him that she was 16

bad1989
Jul 29, 2012, 09:25 PM
She has contacted him he didn't reply

ScottGem
Jul 30, 2012, 03:17 AM
I just dont want to see him in prison for this.

Go to prison for what? Having sex with an underage girl? You haven't said how old he is, but have you ever heard the term "jail bait"? Having sex with a 15 year old is ILLEGAL. He should have known better, regardless of what the parents did.

Yes the parents should be prosecuted for letting him live in the same room as a 15 yr old girl. But that doesn't change his problem. I don't know what lies his lawyer says are being told, but there is ONE important fact here. Did he have sex with a girl under 16? If he did and that can be proven then he stands a good chance of going to jail and living with a sex offender tag for the rest of his life.

And if the girl contacted him on FB, he should not respond or he will get into more trouble.

bad1989
Jul 30, 2012, 05:42 AM
He is 23. When he first met her and her friend lied about her age. He funded out by a tattoo that the girl was 15 after they had sex a was staying the night which the mother knew

ScottGem
Jul 30, 2012, 06:15 AM
He is 23. When he first met her and her friend lied about her age. He funded out by a tattoo that the girl was 15 after they had sex a was stayin the night which the mother knew

So when did he notice this tattoo? As soon as he did he should have have run from the room. But apparently he continued to have sex with her.

And how old did he think she was that she was still living at home? Shouldn't that have been a clue to at least check her age more carefully? At 23 he should have known better.

I'm sorry but your friend is either feeding you a line or he's a fool who will be lucky to avoid a lifetime sex offender tag. If I were him (and his lawyer), I would try to plead this down to avoid the sex offender tag. Maybe he can avoid jail too. Depends on how sympathetic the prosecution is.

bad1989
Jul 30, 2012, 06:24 AM
Scottgem. A week after he met her. Ag this time things already happen and the mother knew about him. He was told my the girl and there friend that she was 16

bad1989
Jul 30, 2012, 06:36 AM
Yes he should have left. The parents never said anything to him. Her mom would mention that he is 23 with out a job when they would argue.

Fr_Chuck
Jul 30, 2012, 06:57 AM
At 23, he is gone to jail, sorry don't know a court anywhere in the US that will not put a 23 year old in jail for having sex with a 15 year old. The issue now is how many years, good attorney and a plea bargain is going to be his best prayer

CPS should be called on the parents, it is very likely they may remove the child from the home at least temp while they investigate

J_9
Jul 30, 2012, 06:58 AM
It matters that her mom knew, but what matters most is that HE knew. He knew she was jail bait, but continued to have sex with her.

AK lawyer
Jul 30, 2012, 07:03 AM
OP has, through two pages of this thread, still not asked a question. :)

Bad, what is it you want to know?

ScottGem
Jul 30, 2012, 07:14 AM
He thought she was SIXTEEN? So a 23 yr old was willing to have sex with a 16 yr old?? I was thinking he thought she might be 18 or even older. Sorry, but any sympathy I might have had for him just went out the window. Even if she was legal at 16, a 23 yr old seducing a 16 yr old is exploitative. He had no business getting involved with her even if he thought she was 16.

I hope the prosecutor throws the book at him.

bad1989
Jul 30, 2012, 07:18 AM
I called him the other day of course he is flipping out because he has not heard from his lawyer but lawyers are busy. But my question even though her mom pretty much allowed all this to happen is there a way he can get out of it and the parents can be the ones in trouble?

J_9
Jul 30, 2012, 07:20 AM
Are you the HE? Why do you care so much?

excon
Jul 30, 2012, 07:21 AM
is there a way he can get out of it and the parents can be the ones in trouble?Hello bad:

If the DA is doing his job, the parents will be charged TOO. But, that WON'T lessen your friends culpability.

excon

bad1989
Jul 30, 2012, 07:22 AM
In the state of ketucky parent consent is 16. The girls older sister ( which is my ex) she is 28 and is having sex with a 16 year boy. From what I know is his dad up and left him so he is staying with a friend

J_9
Jul 30, 2012, 07:27 AM
In the state of ketucky parent consent is 16. The girls older sister ( which is my ex) she is 28 and is having sex with a 16 year boy. From what i know is his dad up and left him so he is staying with a friend

It would be easier if you could start this all over and give the pertinent information.

As far as I know there is no "parent consent." However, there is a legal age of consent. Parents aren't involved in this.


In your original question the minor was an adolescent female and the perpetrator was an adult male. It appears you have changed your story. Now it's an adolescent male having sex with an adult female.

Your story doesn't add up.

ScottGem
Jul 30, 2012, 07:34 AM
But my question even tho her mom pretty much allowed all this to happen is there a way he can get out of it and the parents can be the ones in trouble?


In the state of ketucky parent consent is 16. The girls older sister ( which is my ex) she is 28 and is having sex with a 16 year boy. From what i know is his dad up and left him so he is staying with a friend

Yes, age of consent is 16. But that doesn't make it right. There is a vast difference between a 23 yr old and a 16 yr old in terms of maturity. A 16 yr old will be likely to be flattered by the attentions of a 23 yr old and be more susceptible to exploitation. That is why it is reprehensible for your friend to have engaged in sex with this girl, even thinking she was 16. And I'm not surprised you broke up with the sister when she exploits 16 yr old boys.

This sounds like a real fun family. Mother lets a man sleep over with her 15 yr old daughter, big sister does a Mrs Robinson on a 16 yr old boy. But none of that helps your friend. He is responsible for his own actions. And if he said to the DA; "but I thought she was 16!", the DA is going to throw the book at him. What her parents knew about him or allowed has no bearing on his being prosecuted for statutory rape.

If he didn't have a place to live, he will soon. Probably not going to like it though.

ScottGem
Jul 30, 2012, 07:37 AM
It appears you have changed your story. Now it's an adolescent male having sex with an adult female.



I think you misread that. It's the OP's ex who had sex with the adolescent boy. She is the victim's (the 15 yr old girl) older sister.

Some family!

J_9
Jul 30, 2012, 07:37 AM
Am I missing something? In the beginning it was a an adult male sleeping with an adolescent female. It seems the story has changed to an adult female sleeping with an adolescent male.

AK lawyer
Jul 30, 2012, 07:38 AM
I called him the other day of course he is flipping out because he has not heard from his lawyer but lawyers are busy. ...


Are you the HE? Why do you care so much?


... The girls older sister ( which is my ex) she is 28 and is having sex with a 16 year boy. From what i know is his dad up and left him so he is staying with a friend

This is rich. The perpetrator is talking to OP, who is the ex lover of the victim's older sister. OP asks the perp what the perp's lawyer is advising the perp. The perp, wisely in my opinion, replies that he doesn't know what is going to happen because his lawyer is too busy to get back to him. I supect the perp is telling OP this because he rightly understands that it's none of OP's business, and OP may well have ulterior motives (probably involving his ex fooling around with another boy).

bad1989
Jul 30, 2012, 07:39 AM
I was using my ex which is the 15 year old older sister as an example. My friend is 23 he was dating a 15 year in the beginning her and a friend told him that she is 16. The girl told her mom about him and his age few days later after everything that happen he found out that she was 15. He continues seeing her. The girl ask her mother if he could move in with her the mother said yes. Few months later a incident happen the mom called the cops. The mother told the cops that she didn't know how old he was that there bedroom was a storage room.

J_9
Jul 30, 2012, 07:45 AM
I was using my ex which is the 15 year old older sister as an example. My friend is 23 he was dating a 15 year in the beginning her and a friend told him that she is 16. The girl told her mom about him and his age few days later after everything that happen he found out that she was 15. He continues seeing her. The girl ask her mother if he could move in with her the mother said yes. Few months later a incident happen the mom called the cops. The mother told the cops that she didnt know how old he was that there bedroom was a storage room.

We need the complete and honest truth in order to give the best advice possible. Your story has changed three-fold since the original question.

You can't use people as an "example," we need the complete and honest truth to provide you with the best advice possible.

Stop twisting and turning things around here.

ScottGem
Jul 30, 2012, 07:48 AM
I was using my ex which is the 15 year old older sister as an example. My friend is 23 he was dating a 15 year in the beginning her and a friend told him that she is 16. The girl told her mom about him and his age few days later after everything that happen he found out that she was 15. He continues seeing her. The girl ask her mother if he could move in with her the mother said yes. Few months later a incident happen the mom called the cops. The mother told the cops that she didnt know how old he was that there bedroom was a storage room.

Again, what the mother knew or didn't know, allowed or didn't allow does NOT matter in him being prosecuted. You are telling us, that he knowingly had sex with a 15 yr old. That is the ONLY fact that will matter to a prosecutor, judge and/or jury. As long as the prosecutor can prove to a jury that he had sex with this girl he's going to jail. The only out for him would be a plea bargain. But plea bargains are generally offered when a case is weak. This sounds like a pretty strong case and I don't see the prosecutor being really amenable to a plea here.

Whether they also prosecute the mother for child endangerment is a totally separate issue.

bad1989
Jul 30, 2012, 07:49 AM
The truth is that the parents knew how old he was and allowed him to move. The daughter lied to him about her age my friend found out and still stayed wit her

Can he use a false news report in court ? This issue was on the news

The reason y I care is because we been best friends for 7 years.

ScottGem
Jul 30, 2012, 08:21 AM
The truth is that the parents knew how old he was and allowed him to move. The daughter lied to him about her age my friend found out and still stayed wit her

Can he use a false news report in court ? This issue was on the news

The reason y i care is because we been best friends for 7 years.

The FACT is that he had sex with an underage girl and by his own admission, knew she was underage. That is the ONLY fact that matters in his being prosecuted for statutory rape. Why can't you understand that?

What was false about the report? And how do you think it might be used? What the news said doesn't matter it's the facts that the prosecutor presents to the jury that matter.

Its nice you care about your friend, but why didn't you warn him about this family? Did you know he was having sex with the girl? If you did and you didn't tell him to get out of that house immediately, you weren't being a good friend.

AK lawyer
Jul 30, 2012, 08:22 AM
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Can he use a false news report in court ? This issue was on the news
...

For what purpose?

If he wants a change of venue in order to get a jury which hasn't been influenced by the news, possibly.

Otherwise, I fail to see what the news coverage of the case has to do with anything.