And not the New Black Panthers which AG Holder let off the hook. Apparently the left no longer even bothers to compete in the arena of ideas, intimidation is the ticket.

Bloggers Aaron Walker (arrested for blogging (http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/05/warning-sign-2/)), Patterico (http://patterico.com/2012/05/25/convicted-bomber-brett-kimberlin-neal-rauhauser-ron-brynaert-and-their-campaign-of-political-terrorism/), Liberty Chick (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2011/02/14/As-Hacked-ChamberLeaks-Emails-Break--Left-Scrambles-to-Hide-Ties-to-Domestic-Terrorist), Stacy McCain (http://theothermccain.com/2012/05/18/who-warned-us-about-brett-kimberlin/) and Erick Erickson (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/05/27/swatting-the-ericksons/) have all been targeted by convicted Speedway bomber Brett Kimberlin and his minions, who has taken to targeting conservatives by filing lawsuits, obtaining bogus "peace orders" and the more dangerous SWATting - spoofing someone's phone number and hoaxing the police to report a violent crime and provoke a police response.

Patterico writes:


THE NIGHT I COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BECAUSE OF MY BLOGGING

At 12:35 a.m. on July 1, 2011, sheriff’s deputies pounded on my front door and rang my doorbell. They shouted for me to open the door and come out with my hands up.

When I opened the door, deputies pointed guns at me and ordered me to put my hands in the air. I had a cell phone in my hand. Fortunately, they did not mistake it for a gun.

They ordered me to turn around and put my hands behind my back. They handcuffed me. They shouted questions at me: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE HOUSE? And WHERE ARE THEY? And ARE THEY ALIVE?

I told them: Yes, my wife and my children are in the house. They’re upstairs in their bedrooms, sleeping. Of course they’re alive.

Deputies led me down the street to a patrol car parked about 2-3 houses away. At least one neighbor was watching out of her window as I was placed, handcuffed, in the back of the patrol car. I saw numerous patrol cars on my quiet street. There was a police helicopter flying overhead, shining a spotlight down on us as I walked towards the patrol car. Several neighbors later told us the helicopter woke them up. I saw a fire engine and an ambulance. A neighbor later told me they had a HazMat vehicle out on the street as well.

Meanwhile, police rushed into my home. They woke up my wife, led her downstairs and to the front porch, frisked her, and asked her where the children were. Then police ordered her to stand on the front porch with her hands against the wall while they entered my children’s bedrooms to make sure they were alive.

The call that sent deputies to my home was a hoax. Someone had pretended to be me. They called the police to say I had shot my wife. The sheriff’s deputies who arrived at my front door believed they were about to confront an armed man who had just shot his wife. I don’t blame the police for any of their actions. But I blame the person who made the call.

Because I could have been killed.

The weirdest part of the whole thing was that I halfway expected this might happen. Because I was not the first one it had happened to.

It's not just Kimberlin and his "Velvet Revolution" either, left leaning groups are sending out mailers telling people whether their neighbors voted and about their political contributions.

"We're sending this mailing to you and your neighbors to publicize who does and does not vote (http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/06/were-sending-this-mailing-to-you-and.html)."

Just letting you know your neighbors’ political contributions (http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/06/just-letting-you-know-your-neighbors-political-contributions/)

Really? No surprise when the intimidator-in-chief publicly called for snitching on your neighbor but come on, are you goping to let these people get away with this nonsense? Where's the media on this?

Kind of what the republicans are doing in Florida?

The GOP, demographics and voter suppression - Leonard Pitts Jr. - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/02/2829960/the-gop-demographics-and-voter.html)

Both sides have issues and bad eggs apparently.

Um, no, and since your favorite argument is consider the source, Pitts is a habitual race baiter.

Preventing voter fraud is something both sides should agree on - clearing the rolls of those who don't have the right to vote is hardly the same as threats, bogus lawsuits and SWATing - putting people and their families in danger for exercising their first amendment rights. What does the left have to fear from making sure the vote is legitimate? Nothing. You can't say the same for someone pretending to be you and reporting to the police that you've just murdered your wife.

You can't seriously make that comparison.

I wonder if DHS boss Janet Napolitano will call the SWATTERS domestic terrorists ? I wonder if Eric Holder will have the FBI hunt them down ?

LOL, only the right would call purging the voting rolls fair since its already been shown that the METHODS they use are extremely FLAWED, and discriminatory. But they did this in the Bush governor years and scratched many potential voters from the rolls that as it turned out was enough to give GWB, his brother the presidency.

But to your OP, must be some nuts on the left, as there are on the right, but far right wing nuts think its okay to bomb, maim, and kill people they target. Yes they go to great lengths to personally target folks but its wrong on both sides.

I never said anything about purging voter rolls, just keep making sh*t up.

On the OP, I'm sure if this had "Tea Party" in it somewhere and the targets were leftists you'd be screaming your head off. Unlike you, I would be screaming my head off, too. This is the kind of stuff we should both find chilling.

Napolitano made it a point to make the false claim about "right wing" domestic terrorism. As I said... I'll wait to see if she prioritizes these incidents .

This puts both the target and the law enforcement personel at unnecessary risk ,and it diverts them from other duties which puts the public at large at a greater risk.

The Obots threw down the gauntlet about the Fla efforts . Let's see what happens . I am undecided about the impact of voter fraud although I do suspect it has been a factor.
Now the point is that if the DOJ is sure that the Fla enforcement of voter registration laws is a violation of the Voting Rights Act ,then they can and should bring indictments to the State or bring other legal actions like a suit to make the state cease. They haven't gone that far ,and instead rely on intimidation in the form of letters. That makes me think that the DOJ in fact doesn't believe there is a case.
So the ball is in Holder's court .Prove there is a voter's rights violation or apologize to the state for sticking your big federal nose in a state enforcement issue.

I was screaming when they were killing abortion doctors so where were you? Doesn't matter who the nut is to me, right or left.

I'm with you . I consider targeting abortionists as a huge national threat. Why there must be 1 incident for every million babies murdered.

I was screaming when they were killing abortion doctors so where were you? Doesn't matter who the nut is to me, right or left.

Yep, 4 abortion doctors have been killed in the U.S. since 1993, 2 receptionists, 1 off duty cop (by Eric Rudolph the Olympic Park bomber) and 1 clinic escort. All a tragedy, yet I don't know a single soul that believes in violence against abortion providers. I can't believe anyone is still using that dodge. Let's talk about what's happening today, SWATting, abuse of the justice system and sharing personal information to shame your neighbors.

I don't know a single person who would engage in such tactics, either.

I don't know a single person who would engage in such tactics, either.

You keep changing the terms. I said I don't know a single soul that believes in violence against abortion providers, but nor do I know anyone the engages in it. Quite obviously a number of liberals both believe in and engage in the tactics mentioned in this OP. Do you find it disturbing or not?

Almost as disturbing as Florida purging 180, 000 voters, and Texas a million! Disturbing is Orly tatz running for senator of California. Disturbing is the guy in Canada cutting up another human filming it, and sending body parts to an elementary school.

Why are you disturbed by a criminal doing criminal behavior? Is it more disturbing he targets conservatives and not liberals? Do you know him?

To purge assumes that the person was qualified under state law to vote. I suggest that if people are being purged in violation of the Voting Rights Act ,then Eric Holder should immediately move to bring charges.
But he won't because he can't make that case.

Why are you disturbed by a criminal doing criminal behavior? Is it more disturbing he targets conservatives and not liberals?

Why are you not disturbed? That's the relevant question.


Do you know him?

??

If I got disturbed by every act of criminal behavior, I would be crazy(?). I have seen much worse without the publicity. Done to ordinary citizens. I use the example of abortion doctors because even though you stated you don't know of any of these kinds of folks, were you disturbed by their criminal action?

I already know that we agree these actions were criminal on both sides. To what degree we can debate, but murder is definitely more disturbing to me than what this convicted criminal did to harass the right wing bloggers. Don't get me wrong its serious enough to land this NUTCASE in jail, and his henchmen, but I think soliciting murder is a lot more disturbing to me than intimidation.

Clear enough?

Why would anyone not be disturbed by a murder of any kind? I hate that any nut job killed an abortion doctor - but I hate more that abortionists kill millions of babies. I'd like to see as much outrage from the left over the daily, legalized murder of innocent children as I see over the murder of 8 abortionists and clinic workers over a 19 year span.

If someone should (God forbid) target a liberal blogger I expect to see as much apathy as you're showing over Kimberlin's activities. Clear enough?

I said I don't know a single soul that believes in violence against abortion providers, but nor do I know anyone the engages in it.
Well there are many apparently:


Murders

In the U.S. violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[8][9]

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility, the Ladies Center, in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003. The clinic in Pensacola had been bombed before and was also bombed subsequently, in 1984 and 2012.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.[10] His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.

May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas.[11]

Attempted murder, assault, and kidnapping

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[12] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[8][13][14]

August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[15]
January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured, and lost an eye, in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.

Arson, bombing, and property crime

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[12] The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993.[16] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[17] Incidents have included:

December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."[18][19][20] The clinic, the Ladies Center, would later be the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994 and a firebombing in 2012.
May 21, 1998: Three people were injured when acid was poured at the entrances of five abortion clinics in Miami, Florida.[21]
October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[22]
May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire resulted in several thousand dollars' worth of damage. The case remains unsolved.[23][24][25] This was the second arson at the clinic.[26]
September 30, 2000: John Earl, a Catholic priest, drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building, who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.[27]
June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in $6,000 in damages.[22][28]
July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[22]
December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a "memorial lamp" for an abortion she had had there.[29]
September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan, crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions; however, Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.[30] Time magazine listed the incident in a "Top 10 Inept Terrorist Plots" list.[31]
April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas, contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.[32]
May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[33]
December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Altman's girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.[34][35]
January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness[36] rammed an SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.[37]
January 1, 2012 Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the American Family Planning Clinic in Pensacola, Florida with a Molotov cocktail; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion, and that what more directly prompted the act was seeing a patient enter the clinic during one of the frequent anti-abortion protests there. The clinic had previously been bombed at Christmas in 1984 and was the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994.[38]

April 1, 2012 A bomb exploded on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin, resulting in a fire that damaged one of the clinic's examination rooms. No injuries were reported. On April 3, the FBI arrested 50-year-old Francis Grady on charges of "arson of a building used in interstate commerce" and "intentionally damaging the property of a facility that provides reproductive health services".[39]

but I hate more that abortionists kill millions of babies.It's the mothers who make the decision, your anger is misplaced. You need to turn your hate towards women.

Don't get yourself all riled up Speech, it seems the difference between us is you may be a lot more outwardly emotional than I am, and for the record, I am against abortions, as MY choice, but I believe others must make theirs, so I guess I am pro choice.

How about dropping this liberal/conservative title when speaking of criminal acts. What is it you expect from me?

Well there are many apparently:

I don't know any. Point being, the anger over abortionists being killed is misdirected. We didn't do it.

P.S. A lot of those mothers would not have an abortion if it weren't for PP turning it into an industry and saturating schools with their bilge under the guise of "education." My anger is directed at the right people.

How about dropping this liberal/conservative title when speaking of criminal acts. What is it you expect from me?

When the criminal activity is directed at a certain group of people, you can't ignore it. Forgive ,me, I thought you guys would find SWATing conservative bloggers reprehensible enough to avoid dancing around it.

P.S. A lot of those mothers would not have an abortion if it weren't for PP turning it into an industry and saturating schools with their bilge under the guise of "education." My anger is directed at the right people.Nope. If women didn't request abortions there would be no abortion doctors - free market thinking. Your assumption works if you think women cannot think for themselves, I happen to think they can (well the ones I hang out with anyway).

If women can think for themselves then why does Obama want them all dependent on government, like Julia (http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia)?

Now back to the OP. Enough misdirection.

When the criminal activity is directed at a certain group of people, you can't ignore it. Forgive ,me, I thought you guys would find SWATing conservative bloggers reprehensible enough to avoid dancing around it.

I have danced around NOTHING, I said it was wrong and criminal. That's all you get and when the shoe is on the other foot I expect the same from you, just say its wrong and criminal.

No more, no less, FAIR?

So you don't support equal pay for equal work?? Or equal protection under the law? You better do the math, as what you earn now translates into benefits later, like the size of your pension, and social security checks.

Julia isn't the only one who will need protection from right wing over reach, as you give power over your lives to corporations, banks, and rich guys seeking more profit for doing NOTHING!!

I have danced around NOTHING, I said it was wrong and criminal. Thats all you get and when the shoe is on the other foot I expect the same from you, just say its wrong and criminal.

No more, no less, FAIR?

I have and will.

So you don't support equal pay for equal work?? Or equal protection under the law?

Asked and answered, and not the subject of this thread.


Julia isn't the only one who will need protection from right wing over reach, as you give power over your lives to corporations, banks, and rich guys seeking more profit for doing NOTHING!!

You really hate corporations don't you? You know, those same ones that Obama is slamming on one hand while holding his other hand out to them to buy another term for a "do-over," his new campaign theme.

Now back to the OP. Again.

Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/senator-asks-doj-to-investigate-swat-ting-attacks-on-conservative-bloggers/)

Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/senator-asks-doj-to-investigate-swat-ting-attacks-on-conservative-bloggers/)


'Bout time. Tomorrow is National Day of Blogger Silence (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/329849.php).


On Friday, this site will be absolutely dead-silent, which is what Brett Kimberlin and his stalker crew seeks, and what the media and our supposed Representatives in Congress would permit.

The only post on Friday will be a bold-faced Open Letter to Congress, urging them to act and not attempt to pass the buck to others.

They are our representatives; we would like some representation.

They vowed to defend and protect the Constitution; they can honor that vow now.

I will post links of Congressmen's and Senator's email addresses and offices and phone numbers, and urge every concerned American citizen to let them know, in no uncertain terms, that a crime in progress against the First Amendment (and people's safety) is occurring, and we humbly request they take this seriously.

They are literally going to get someone killed. That is their endgame here.

Will the media and Congress pretend "we didn't know" when this happens?

ABCNews knows.

The Weekly Standard knows.

The Daily Caller knows.

And many, but not yet all, Congressmen and Senators know.

I encourage all bloggers and twitterers to essentially strike that day, or write nothing except your desire that you expect your Congressmen to take threats to your First Amendment rights seriously.

On another note, authorities are investigating death threats (http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/157664325.html) Scott Walker received after the recall election. Perhaps the left should tone down (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/greghengler/2012/06/06/ed_schultzs_wi_eulogy_if_this_is_a_template_i_beli eve_its_some_pretty_damn_scary_stuff) the rhetoric (http://www.libertynews.com/2012/06/06/howard-dean-walker-victory-the-beginning-of-the-undermining-of-american-democracy/) before we get another Gabby-type incident.

Your country seems beyond repair - both sides hate the crap out of each other. Is it fixable? How?

Don't worry NK, we usually call time out for the FOURTH (of July). But we throw rocks again on the 5th.

Your country seems beyond repair - both sides hate the crap out of each other. Is it fixable? How?

I don't hate anyone, more of your "gross misrepresentations" to distract from the issue at hand (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/intimidation-tactics-667019-3.html#post3143984). Stick to the OP and fix your own country.

I don't hate anyone, more of your "gross misrepresentations" to distract from the issue at hand (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/intimidation-tactics-667019-3.html#post3143984). Stick to the OP and fix your own country.
But isn't that the bigger picture? The fact that the right hates the left and the left supposedly hates the right? Hence the subject of the OP.

So, how does that problem get fixed? How does your country start to heal itself from the nasty polarizing effect of your current politics?

Don't hijack this thread please, refer to the topic at hand.

I am on topic. Maybe you can stop cherry-picking events and discuss the underlying issue(s) that causes the events.

I think I know what my own thread is about, and it's going back to where we left off before your distractions.


Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/senator-asks-doj-to-investigate-swat-ting-attacks-on-conservative-bloggers/)

'Bout time. Tomorrow is National Day of Blogger Silence (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/329849.php).


On Friday, this site will be absolutely dead-silent, which is what Brett Kimberlin and his stalker crew seeks, and what the media and our supposed Representatives in Congress would permit.

The only post on Friday will be a bold-faced Open Letter to Congress, urging them to act and not attempt to pass the buck to others.

They are our representatives; we would like some representation.

They vowed to defend and protect the Constitution; they can honor that vow now.

I will post links of Congressmen's and Senator's email addresses and offices and phone numbers, and urge every concerned American citizen to let them know, in no uncertain terms, that a crime in progress against the First Amendment (and people's safety) is occurring, and we humbly request they take this seriously.

They are literally going to get someone killed. That is their endgame here.

Will the media and Congress pretend "we didn't know" when this happens?

ABCNews knows.

The Weekly Standard knows.

The Daily Caller knows.

And many, but not yet all, Congressmen and Senators know.

I encourage all bloggers and twitterers to essentially strike that day, or write nothing except your desire that you expect your Congressmen to take threats to your First Amendment rights seriously.

On another note, authorities are investigating death threats (http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/157664325.html) Scott Walker received after the recall election. Perhaps the left should tone down (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/greghengler/2012/06/06/ed_schultzs_wi_eulogy_if_this_is_a_template_i_beli eve_its_some_pretty_damn_scary_stuff) the rhetoric (http://www.libertynews.com/2012/06/06/howard-dean-walker-victory-the-beginning-of-the-undermining-of-american-democracy/) before we get another Gabby-type incident.

After 15 months of Ed Schultz's attacks on Scott Walker (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-ens/2012/05/31/study-eds-obsession-anti-scott-walker-guests-dominate-ed-show-237-) it's no wonder he's receiving death threats.

There's your underlying issue, obnoxious leftists hypocrites.

Well if you're blind to what those of your political beliefs do then there's not much to discuss is there?


There's your underlying issue, obnoxious leftists hypocrites.
No respect for others and trolling based on emotional responses. Good luck!

Well if you're blind to what those of your political beliefs do then there's not much to discuss is there?

There's nothing to discuss when you willfully ignore the truth, such as here (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/war-women-662145-12.html#post3136464).


No respect for others and trolling based on emotional responses. Good luck!

Back to personal insults. Nice. Do you have anything to say on the topic or not?

Back to personal insults. Nice. Do you have anything to say on the topic or not?Oops, forgot about your hypersentivity - sorry.

Well you're reposting the same stuff over and over so I guess that topic is done.

If you can't see that both sides do stupid things then the blinders are on full speed ahead. Saying that 50% of your fellow americans are obnoxious hypocrites only serves as a great example as to why your country is so divided.

Oops, forgot about your hypersentivity - sorry.

Ah, another personal insult. You really know how to liven up the discussion. Well you would if you would actually engage in the discussion.


Well you're reposting the same stuff over and over so I guess that topic is done.

Just keeping you guys from burying it.


If you can't see that both sides do stupid things then the blinders are on full speed ahead. Saying that 50% of your fellow americans are obnoxious hypocrites only serves as a great example as to why your country is so divided.

You're terrible at math. Howard Dean and Ed Schultz is hardly half of America. Perhaps if people like you would stop the over exaggeration and gross misrepresentations we might get somewhere.

Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
Senator Asks DOJ to Investigate SWAT-ting Attacks on Conservative Bloggers - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/senator-asks-doj-to-investigate-swat-ting-attacks-on-conservative-bloggers/)

'Bout time. Tomorrow is National Day of Blogger Silence (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/329849.php).


On Friday, this site will be absolutely dead-silent, which is what Brett Kimberlin and his stalker crew seeks, and what the media and our supposed Representatives in Congress would permit.

The only post on Friday will be a bold-faced Open Letter to Congress, urging them to act and not attempt to pass the buck to others.

They are our representatives; we would like some representation.

They vowed to defend and protect the Constitution; they can honor that vow now.

I will post links of Congressmen's and Senator's email addresses and offices and phone numbers, and urge every concerned American citizen to let them know, in no uncertain terms, that a crime in progress against the First Amendment (and people's safety) is occurring, and we humbly request they take this seriously.

They are literally going to get someone killed. That is their endgame here.

Will the media and Congress pretend "we didn't know" when this happens?

ABCNews knows.

The Weekly Standard knows.

The Daily Caller knows.

And many, but not yet all, Congressmen and Senators know.

I encourage all bloggers and twitterers to essentially strike that day, or write nothing except your desire that you expect your Congressmen to take threats to your First Amendment rights seriously.

On another note, authorities are investigating death threats (http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/157664325.html) Scott Walker received after the recall election. Perhaps the left should tone down (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/greghengler/2012/06/06/ed_schultzs_wi_eulogy_if_this_is_a_template_i_beli eve_its_some_pretty_damn_scary_stuff) the rhetoric (http://www.libertynews.com/2012/06/06/howard-dean-walker-victory-the-beginning-of-the-undermining-of-american-democracy/) before we get another Gabby-type incident.

After 15 months of Ed Schultz's attacks on Scott Walker (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-ens/2012/05/31/study-eds-obsession-anti-scott-walker-guests-dominate-ed-show-237-) it's no wonder he's receiving death threats.

There's your underlying issue, obnoxious leftists hypocrites. Count 'em, that's two.

Convicted Speedway bomber Brett Kimberlin and his minions, are radical criminals whose tactics are the same as far right loonies and we should lock them all up if not for harassment, but conspiracy to do bodily harm to law abiding citizens.

There, next debate! Oh wait, we have to charge right wing loonies with murder, since they actually did conspire to kill people!

There that's it, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth! On message, and on target, and on subject of this thread.

Here's the next talking point we'll hear about from the right:
Spokeskid on "Barack Hussein Kardashian" - The Rush Limbaugh Show (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/06/07/spokeskid_on_barack_hussein_kardashian)
Classy, huh?

Also feel free to browse the discussions at Free Republic Home Page (http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm)
It's a very active site for conservatives. Check the rhetoric in the comment threads.

This is what we should aspire to since the right is apparently morally superior.

Here's the next talking point we'll hear about from the right:
Spokeskid on "Barack Hussein Kardashian" - The Rush Limbaugh Show (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/06/07/spokeskid_on_barack_hussein_kardashian)
Classy, huh?

Also feel free to browse the discussions at Free Republic Home Page (http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm)
It's a very active site for conservatives. Check the rhetoric in the comment threads.

This is what we should aspire to since the right is apparently morally superior.

Talk about krap being everywhere

Barack Hussein Kardashian... pretty funny. The President does seem to be running his own reality show.

Barack Hussein Kardashian .......pretty funny. The President does seem to be running his own reality show.

One difference he doesn't have as much money to spend

Convicted Speedway bomber Brett Kimberlin and his minions, are radical criminals whose tactics are the same as far right loonies and we should lock them all up if not for harassment, but conspiracy to do bodily harm to law abiding citizens.

Yep, SWATters should be locked up.


There, next debate! Oh wait, we have to charge right wing loonies with murder, since they actually did conspire to kill people!

Specifically??


There that's it, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth! On message, and on target, and on subject of this thread.

On topic, but without evidence.

Here's the next talking point we'll hear about from the right:
Spokeskid on "Barack Hussein Kardashian" - The Rush Limbaugh Show (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/06/07/spokeskid_on_barack_hussein_kardashian)
Classy, huh?

Also feel free to browse the discussions at Free Republic Home Page (http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm)
It's a very active site for conservatives. Check the rhetoric in the comment threads.

This is what we should aspire to since the right is apparently morally superior.

The Kardashians, now that's funny.

You guys on the left are quite the paradox. You tell us to consider all sides of an issue then when we try to discuss it with you, you insult us and tell us to go to chat with like-minded folks.

Oh, and I don't pretend to be morally superior, that's just you and your gross misrepresentations again. You just keep striking out in your efforts to smear me dude. When will you learn?

I wasn't talking to you, LOL.
And I'm not "on the left". I voted conservative last election.

I wasn't talking to you, LOL.
And I'm not "on the left". I voted conservative last election.

I answered anyway and you have a funny kind of conservatism.

Back to the topic at hand. Rep. Kenny Marchant of Texas also stepped up (http://twitchy.com/2012/06/07/rep-kenny-marchant-calls-for-doj-swating-investigation/) and called for the DOJ to investigate these dangeours hoaxes and the American Center for Law and Justice has jumped into the fray (http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/bloggers-free-speech-rights-under-attack).

Add the regime's attack on religious freedom via contraceptive mandate to the intimidation factor and I have to ask, what does the left have against the first amendment?

I have to ask, what does the left have against the first amendment?Hello Steve:

Nothing more than you righty's have against the Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Fourteenth, for starters...

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Let's see, Obama has claimed the right to kill Americans or anyone else on his personal "kill list." An activist judge has had blogger Aaron Walker arrested for exercising his constitutional right to free speech (http://www.volokh.com/2012/05/29/aaron-walker-brett-kimberlin-and-the-fog-of-litigation/) in a non-threatening manner. Your President has openly and blatantly attacked the first amendment. I'd say your side is determined to actually destroy the constitution.

Let's see, Obama has claimed the right to kill Americans or anyone else Hello again, Steve:

Excuse me! You'll have to look pretty hard to find a post where I said Obama is a lefty... He's NOT. I believe I've said that he's center right... I haven't changed my mind. It's YOU hysterics that continually accuse him of being a socialist, commie Kenyon.

excon

I've NEVER called him a Kenyon.

i've never called him a kenyon.

Lol...

Did you not have a smoke this morning ex? You're the one sounding hysterical. I'm just fine.

Actually ,I have on occasion, called him a Keynesian

Leave it to a rightie to defend a terrorist because he WAS an American. Now he wants to kill Americans. Even funnier to me is that you neglect to present the fact that he targets other humans from a terrorist LIST, compiled by intelligence. And damn good at it. Better than invading a country ain't it?

That's okay he knows the right gives the left any credit, but let me tell you what hilarious. Every one of his proposals are right, center right, and indeed use to be republican ideas, especially Obamacare, crafted by a republican, and you guys still vote against it.

LOL, even Bush's brother said he would take a 10-1 budget deal. How whack is that?? Sometimes I am a Keynesian too, everybody should be.

I have never, ever defended a terrorist for any reason. I don't particularly care how they're taken out of the picture. I do care that our President thinks he is a power unto himself. This is not a dictatorship.

Like the way another president took you to two wars and got thousands of your fellow americans killed?
Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War)

You say he takes power, I say he takes responsibility. You say he dictates, I say he proposes. You say his policies failed, I say they have been blocked, and the ones that have been embraced, have worked.

Like the way another president took you to two wars and got thousands of your fellow americans killed?
Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War)

I beg your pardon, the Iraq War Resolution passed with bipartisan support of both branches of congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#Passage). The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists passed with only 1 no vote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Te rrorists#Congressional_votes). Exactly how is that a dictatorship, which was my last point?

Tal, I say you need to turn off MSNBC and get away from Kos.

I beg your pardon, the Iraq War Resolution passed with bipartisan support of both branches of congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#Passage). The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists passed with only 1 no vote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Te rrorists#Congressional_votes). Exactly how is that a dictatorship, which was my last point?
Party Ayes Nays PRES No Vote
Republican 215 6 0 2
Democratic 82 126 0 1

And this: 935 Iraq Falsehoods (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/01/23/BL2008012301758.html)

In the same vein the current president can only do what an elected president can do. I don't think you know what a dictatorship is, here is a definition: Dictatorship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship) It is impossible for your country to be under a dictatorship unless a very large coup happens.

Still having trouble with math skills? 82 Demos voting for is a rather strong bipartisan support in this country. The total vote was:

374 Yes
156 No
6 Not voting

I stand on my previous post. My math is good.

I know what a dictatorship is, which is why his power grabs are disturbing (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/22/obamas-power-grab/). As I said, this is NOT a dictatorship.

No you're right, it isn't a dictatorship, not by a long shot.

Whatever dude, I'm not playing your juvenile games today so feel free to argue amongst yourself instead.

I agreed with you! LOL!

What are you, 12?

Tal, I say you need to turn off MSNBC and get away from Kos.

Like Rush, and Fox are a bastion of info, LOL!!

Let's see, I used six sources for this thread and none from Rush or Fox. But you guys keep spreading the myth.

Let's see, I used six sources for this thread and none from Rush or Fox. But you guys go ahead and keep spreading the myth.Wow, Tal's post went right over your head.

Wow, Tal's post went right over your head.

Wow, no it didn't. Are you ever going to grow up?

All conservatives on the far right all talk the same things, from the same source, all fear NO facts!!

How afraid are they? The further right, the greater the FEAR! Still no facts.

All conservatives on the far right all talk the same things, from the same source, all fear NO facts!!!

Tal, my first fact for you is you have no facts to support that silly liberal talking point. My second fact for you is I'm kicking your a$$ in baseball. Add the two together and we know I'm damn good with facts.

Can't argue the arse kicking so far, LOL, but facts and figures is where we differ. I do my own research, and fact check everything that's said, and read.

Sometimes you have to go deeper than the first level to find FACTS,

Brother if you did deep, deep fact checking you'd drop the Fox News and Rush bit because the facts don't support it.

Well I will just ask straight, who your favorite source of info is from, and who you think is an example of proven leadership?

How come you don't think Rush is the new face of the republican parties truth machine??

I listened to Rush for the 1st time in a long time a couple months ago ;when there was that issue with the contraception issue and he presumably stepped in it. When I saw it was a lot to do about nothing ,I stopped listening .

I read the Wall Street Journal opinion daily. That I guess has the Murdoch connection , but I also read the NY Slimes op-eds and I can assure you it doesn't make me a "progressive" .

Erik Erickson is an intriguing individual. But Shepard Smith is "fair, and balanced". CSM, is a major source of opinions in the mainstream, most times. I read a lot of newspapers in the mornings, for regional info.

I listen to Rush everyday to make sure I know when I hear his crap from others.

Um, some of my favorite sources are cited in this thread. It's extremely obvious that my sources are from just about everywhere but Fox and Rush 99 percent of the time.

Conspicuously nothing from the left, or the middle, HMMMMM!!

I can assure you it doesn't make me a "progressive" .

I don't think there is much hope of describing you as progressive Tom

Conspicuously nothing from the left, or the middle, HMMMMM!!!

Feel free to search for the dozens upon dozens of links I've used from WaPo, NYT, Huffpo, MSNBC, CNN, BBC and dozens of others. I'm not wasting my time on your charade any more, my record is open for all to see.

Then don't accuse me of only quoting two source, because mine are as varied as yours. And its useless throwing rocks at some one who has rocks, without recognizing that the right and left are different, and solutions and resolutions lie in the middle.

Why can we both get some, and give some? Even in this thread the only intimidations you see are on my side, but fail to see your own. That's not fair, nor will I go for it. How can you expect me too?

Then don't accuse me of only quoting two source, because mine are as varied as yours. And its useless throwing rocks at some one who has rocks, without recognizing that the right and left are different, and solutions and resolutions lie in the middle.

Why can we both get some, and give some? Even in this thread the only intimidations you see are on my side, but fail to see your own. Thats not fair, nor will I go for it. How can you expect me too?

Dude, mine was pure sarcasm. You guys seem to actually believe we really only get our news from Fox and Rush.

LOL, listening to Rush now, and to be honest he makes me want to kick conservative butts, so I can imagine him firing people up with his BS! Not a shred of truth or honesty from this blurb.

I guess he is not a CREDIBLE source. I pray for people that take this money grubber seriously.