As we know, no document has fallen out the skys from heaven.

Lots have been dispruven for example adam and eve, unless we are all incest.

Gods change all the time due to environment.

Lets not forget the pre human stage - dinosaurs

I've said before that my belief is that religion (all religions) were created by man to explain the unexplainable and to provide a moral structure.

Why are we to not forget dinosaurs when we ponder the existence of God?

Lets not forget the pre human stage - dinosaurs
I remember learning that humans and dinosaurs were around at the same time.

LOL, dinosaurs went extinct around 65 million years ago.
We were sort of human about 3 million years ago.
Of course any dinosaur expert will get his hackles up about dinos being extinct - they just evolved into birds.

Maybe it was from that movie I watched with Shelley Long, One Million B.C. or whatever it was called.

***ADDED*** It was Caveman with Ringo Starr --

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Yes, that's a former Beatle in caveman costume for this more-dumb-than-funny 1981 comedy about a prehistoric misfit (Ringo Starr) who recruits other misfits to start a new tribe. The jokes about flatulence and sex are banal, but the cast of then-unfamiliar faces is fun to watch from the perspective of history. The best thing going are some dinosaur special effects, though Ringo might argue meeting his future wife (Barbara Bach) was a good deal. -- Tom Keogh

To keep this on task, God doesn't change "with the environment." Men find different names to call him, but in general his attributes seem to be the same.

A moral structure yes , is this not a early form of law and order, punishment death?

If this is true do you infarct need to turn to a book of religion toform a moral compas - e.g. some laws we may break because they are morally questionable/

And all this said there can]t be a god as it is just a human idear

Who nakes mormans any more correct or no the cults?

Why argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Since humans started talking there have been gods for most.
We have always had believers (most) and non believers (least).
I am a non believer, but I don't go around announcing it much. Then it's embarrassing if I shout OH GOD about something.

I would like to say that even as man has its limitations, God is said to be supreme, an ideal, and as geesuzz puts (in her original post/query) "all-incest" theory and "depends upon environment", I agree. Needless to mention, the appearance and nature of God varies from place to place (read - country/nation/religion to nation) and there are many such religions which are either silent about God, or believe in his non-existence. For example, Budhism is silent, while Jainism says there is NO GOD, and these religions consider virgins to be ideals. If all attain this ideal, how will the mankind grow is a question (with all respect for Budhism/Jainism) which teases me more than often, and sure someone will dilute my tension!

About God, I personally may have any thought, but at the heart of it, it is a personal matter and if you call someone in question, or even if you tell I AM ATHEIST, you are sure to face the brunt or at least ire/anger/neglect of certain believers. So, better to keep your ideas to yourself, about what you are (atheist or theist).

Still, the best and the purest religion is MANKIND, respect for all, whether they believe in any religion or not, in the religion you believe in or any other. Religion, not itself, but on its name, so many have been killed, even as all religions teach EQUALITY and BROTHERHOOD, only as there are staunch or misguided followers who give and spread misinterpretations and make a hell on heaven (ly earth), wrongly thinking that they are creating a heaven on what they call 'hell' (to the earth).

In this line, I want you only to keep guessing, what I am?

The limitations of man to believe in God comes often from their desire to make themselves a more important. If man accepts God then he has to admit he is not in control.

As for as Adam and Eve, there is also no proof of anything that say they did not exist. The fact is that things showing bibical and religious issues such as the flood have been found

a moral structure yes , is this not a early form of law and order, punishment death?

If this is true do you infarct need to turn to a book of religion toform a moral compas - eg some laws we may break because they are morally questionable/

And all this said there can]t be a god as it is just a human idear

who nakes mormans any more correct or no the cults?

I'm really not sure what you are saying here. I suggest you proofread before hitting the submit button.

Joy has a valid point. This is an argument that will never be resolved. Whether god is an invention of man or religion is a matter of divine inspiration will be argued forever.

The true fact is that some people find great comfort in believing in religion. It works for them. If it helps make them better people then who am I to argue with that? As long as they don't try to interfere with what I believe, then I won't try to interfere with what they believe.

But, I also have to point out that a lot of harm has been done in the name of religion. See the Inqusition, the Crusades and Islamic terrorism. That isn't a condemnation of Christianity or Islam, simply a statement of fact.

I thought harder minded chritstians didn't wan't evolution because it goes against the bilbe. As foe extiction, this did happen on massage scale only certatian lizards, birds and mammals survived

i thought harder minded chritstians didn't wan't evolution because it goes against the bilbe. as foe extiction, this did happen on massage scale only certatian lizards, birds and mammals survived

What has that got to do with anything? If your goal here is the attack Christians and Christianity, this thread will be closed immediately and such comments removed. If you want a reasonable and civil discussion about the origins and effects of religion (in general) on society we can do that.

i thought harder minded chritstians didn't wan't evolution because it goes against the bilbe.

There are actually pleanty of Christians who have no problem at all accepting theories of evolution as well as current theories of astronomy, geology, paleontology, and archaeology. Yes it is true that many Christians do not accept any scientific theory that implies the earth is over 5000 years old, based on the way they interpret the Bible. But there are many Christians who think that science and theology need not be in conflict but can complement each other. See for example: Science, Technology and Faith (http://www.ecusa.anglican.org/19021_58398_ENG_HTM.htm)

In this line, I want you only to keep guessing, what I am?
I think you are a clever person who looks at the world in a rational way. I think philosophy and religion interest you because they are similar in debate.
I think you probably have your own opinion on life and death, creation and choas, and would be interested to reed it.

i thought harder minded chritstians didn't wan't evolution because it goes against the bilbe. as foe extiction, this did happen on massage scale only certatian lizards, birds and mammals survived.


What has that got to do with anything? If your goal here is the attack Christians and Christianity, this thread will be closed immediately and such comments removed. If you want a reasonable and civil discussion about the origins and effects of religion (in general) on society we can do that.

Well it is relevant that firstly the dinosaurs aren't mentioned at any point because humans didn't know about them yet. And it puts a bit of a riff in the age of the world as we know that to be wrong ,fact.

This is not an attack I see religious people gettting great pleasure from there practice, the question if you reead it is 'is god a human idea'

Your thoughts please

Well it is relevant that firstly the dinosaurs arn't mentioned at any point because humans didn't know about them yet. And it puts a bit of a riff in the age of the world as we know that to be wrong ,fact.

This is not an attack i see religious people gettting great pleasure from there practice, the question if you reead it is 'is god a human idea'

Your thoughts please

No its not relevant. You make a valid point that when people started developing organized religions, the dinosaurs and other aspects of pre-history were not known. But that applies to ALL religions, so your asking specifically about Christians is not relevant to the issue, which as you point out is "is god a human idea".

And I've already given my thoughts on that.

This is about god being a human invention that includes all gods from what ever religion still actively worshipped or dead to a lost civilisation.

This is one of the other points I think to why god is a human invention because gods come and go as civilisation rise and fall through out history.

It's a matter of which came first, the chicken or the egg -- or in this case, the god or belief in him.

One could argue that man has invented god/gods to explain natural phenomena. One could also argue that man sees the natural phenomena and realizes that something/some power bigger than himself has been at work.

In other words,

The question is -

1. Is God a creation or creator?
2. Are we puppets in His hand, or the other way round, as atheists say? (The rationalists believe that God is just a puppet in our hands, we can make Him, we can mar Him, by just becoming logical, as they believe)

I personally am not going to open my heart here. I may be daring or courageous or whatever, in this case, I am shy, hesitant, whatever. I shall keep my personal views close to my heart.

In my opinion, this debate will never stop, but we must remember that in such public forums one can't vent one's personal viewpoints, as the people on both sides of the wall, often fail to understand the psyche of the person, who thinks opposite to what they believe in.

In other word of Quoting Kahani Punjab:

The question is -

1. Is God a creation or creator?
2. Are we puppets in His hand, or the other way round, as atheists say? (The rationalists believe that God is just a puppet in our hands, we can make Him, we can mar Him, by just becoming logical, as they believe)

I personally am not going to open my heart here. I may be daring or courageous or whatever, in this case, I am shy, hesitant, whatever. I shall keep my personal views close to my heart.

I think that this is a good way to look at it, me myself can not help what I think and on a fourm I've been accused of many thing, for example trying to have a go at Christians where I was speaking about all gods and there concepts, and civilisation and histiry to learn from our mistakes when blindly following a qgod until death (Mayan)Theses people were one of the most cutting edge civilisations from the past some things have proven to be more accurate like there calendar.

But after a climate change there crops and animals began to die.
How could one of the most forward thinking civilisation become cannibals,