I am dreading the implementation of the new Super Congress being seated. Technically, then we don't need the House or Senate as they would be superfulous in making ANY laws as Congress initiates any new laws.

What are your thoughts on this? Good for America? Or the Worse possible scenerio?

If this goes through I personally think America as we know it today will be buried. Why not just appoint Obammy as Life Dictator and get it over with? Seems we're headed more in that direciton now anyway.

I think that's the Intent of the Democrats currently in office. Create an emergency, suspend the constitution, Declare martial law, and appoint their messiah as supreme ruler with no term expiration.

Its all in line with all the other illegal and unconstitutional things they have been doing thus far.

Create an emergency, suspend the constitutionYou have that backwards - that's a neocon tactic called "the shock doctrine". Google it.

They have already essentially suspended the constitution in essence. Now all they have to do is declare martial law.

Coming soon to a city or county near you!!

The Republican Governors are doing a fine job of that in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Florida. Destroying local governments, and making their states a tyranny.

Can't you conservatives survive a few years of democrats? After all we Dem's and independents, and yes other repubs survived 8 years of Bush.

The dems didn't create the super congress, CONGRESS did.

You have that backwards - that's a neocon tactic called "the shock doctrine". Google it.

That's pretty lame... You don't listen to Obamas goons, like a good democrat?

Don't Let a Crisis Go to Waste - Continuations (http://continuations.com/post/59332464/dont-let-a-crisis-go-to-waste)

Don't let a crisis go to waste is Rahm "Dead Fish" Emanuel's quote... when he was Chief of Staff for Obama...

Since you only believe what the DNC tells you to believe... here is Rahm saying himself on video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

And it isn't a neocon tactic... its right out of the lefties handbook written by Saul Alinsky.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

But Emanuel is one man and is no longer there. What I referred to is decades old.

The Alinsky link you posted has nothing to do with creating a crisis/shock and capitalizing on it for one's benefit.

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I am dreading the implementation of the new Super Congress being seated. Technically, then we don't need the House or Senate as they would be superfulous in making ANY laws as Congress initiates any new laws.
It's a committee, not aa super congress, an effort to get a bi partisan bill, the whole congress still has to vote on it, and the Prez still has to sign it.


What are your thoughts on this? Good for America? Or the Worse possible scenerio?
Considering the partisan wrangling, the gridlock, and the debt debacle, maybe it could work and congress always forms committee to craft a bill.


If this goes through I personally think America as we know it today will be buried.
As I said, this is really nothing new as congress has sitting committees already, and has formed bi partisan committees before. Usually the are confined to either the HOUSE, or the SENATE, but this one is a combination of both. If they can indeed get a bill from this that addresses the problem, and can pass, it's a great thing. If not, automatic budget cuts are triggered.


Why not just appoint Obammy as Life Dictator and get it over with? Seems we're headed more in that direciton now anyway
Don't know where that came from but I suspect it was straight out of RIGHT field. I mean who has the power to appoint a dictator for the US?

But if it came down to a republican dictator, or the current president, I vote for the President.

Who are you for, Perry, or Palin?? Yeah we get to vote on the next dictator. You do know about the election coming up in 2012 don't you??

Its a commitee, not aa super congress, an effort to get a bi partisan bill, the whole congress still has to vote on it, and the Prez still has to sign it.


Considering the partisan wrangling, the gridlock, and the debt debacle, maybe it could work and congress always forms committee to craft a bill.


As I said, this is really nothing new as congress has sitting committees already, and has formed bi partisan committees before. Usually the are confined to either the HOUSE, or the SENATE, but this one is a combination of both. If they can indeed get a bill from this that addresses the problem, and can pass, its a great thing. If not, automatic budget cuts are triggered.


Don't know where that came from but I suspect it was straight out of RIGHT field. I mean who has the power to appoint a dictator for the US??

But if it came down to a republican dictator, or the current president, I vote for the President.

Who are you for, Perry, or Palin??? Yeah we get to vote on the next dictator. You do know about the election coming up in 2012 don't you???




Interesting isn't it?


The left waits for a crisis while the right manufactures one.


Amounts too much the same don't you think?

Tut

I have no problem with a bi-partisan committee that recommends legislation. What I don't like is the automatic triggers and cuts that happen if Congress and the President don't pass their legislative ideas or if the committee doesn't come to a consensus.

In my view the super committee is constitutional ;but the automatic triggers are not.

Article I, Section 5 allows Congress to make whatever rules they please for conducting business. As long as they hold a vote at the end of it all.'

Also I would insist they meet in public.

I like the idea of triggers, they add a deadline to things and great incentive to get something done.

Again ;as currently constructed they are probably unconstitutional. The closest comparison I can come up with is BRAC. That was subject to extensive public hearing and comment before a final decision was made... and even that was subject to a final congressional vote.

Tom is correct. Triggers (in my humble opinion) are attempts by a current Congress to impose their will on a future Congress (or Administration). In other words, a guy/gal could be voted out next year and have more impact on the future, than the new guy/gal I just voted in. I need to study up further about what the triggers actually say--but that's my first impression about them.

The triggers are about spending cuts and revenue raising, not elections. I was reminded by my conservative friend that congress can give, and take away anything they decide on.

My opinion is that the government should be flexible to meet the times situation, and not be stuck by ideology that makes new ideas impossible to implement.

Sometimes it makes sense to raise taxes, and sometimes it makes sense to lower them. Sometimes a combination of cuts and taxes hikes makes sense also.

But if we are stuck in our thinking, we will never get the right solutions for the right problems. We get what we have now gridlock, because we are stuck on a position, ALL of us, so we cannot forge ahead and do what's needed collectively.

There are no tax increases in the triggers... just spending cuts. From an ideological point of view I should hope that the trigger is pulled .But I think the means has to comply with the Constitution.
I think the triggers are unconstitutional for the same reason I think the War Power's Act is ;because Congress cannot vote away their responsibilities under the Constitution.

What are your thoughts on this? Good for America? or the Worse possible scenerio?Hello twink:

I vote for worst possible scenario..

We always do the exact WRONG thing. Cutting spending now, is the exact WRONG thing. That's not to say that our growing deficit isn't a problem. It IS. It's just not the IMMEDIATE problem. The IMMEDIATE problem is mass unemployment, which is eating away at the foundations of our nation.

Speaking of foundations, we should be improving ours... I heard a Republican say that it does no good make schools LOOK PRETTY! He doesn't get it! No, dumbkoff, it's NOT to make schools look pretty, it's to make OUR bridges SAFE! Plus, it'll put people to work.

Cutting spending is eating our seed corn. It's the WORST possible scenario for my beloved nation. I fear for my country.

excon

Seed corn ? Our silos are bare . We are feeding on borrowed feed corn.We are eating the seed corn of our children. And you want to do what ? Feast on more if it ?

We are eating the seed corn of our children. And you want to do what ? Feast on more if it ?Hello again, tom:

You want to know what a businessman does when his awnings are shabby and there are holes in the carpet?? First off, he doesn't FIRE the awning and the carpet guy. Second off, he INVESTS in new awnings and fixes the holes.. You HAVE heard of the word, INVEST?? That's what BUSINESS'S DO. If we're smart, our investment will pay off. But, NOT investing will turn us into a third world country.

excon

Hello again, tom:

You want to know what a businessman does when his awnings are shabby and there are holes in the carpet??? First off, he doesn't FIRE the awning and the carpet guy. Second off, he INVESTS in new awnings and fixes the holes.. You HAVE heard of the word, INVEST??? That's what BUSINESS'S DO. If we're smart, our investment will pay off. But, NOT investing will turn us into a third world country.

excon

Hi ex have you seen some of the third world countries these days, they might have something to teach you. They have taken the investing in the future to new levels of extravagance. Truth is you have lost your way because of greed and that same thinking still pervades so you can't get out of the problem.

seed corn ? Our silos are bare . We are feeding on borrowed feed corn.We are eating the seed corn of our children. And you want to do what ? Feast on more if it ?

Naw, I want to invest that money the rich fat guys ain't investing. May not pay ALL the bills, but we could eat while we go broke.

If the job creators haven't done their job because they were scared, shouldn't we FIRE them anyway? Try telling your boss that you were scared to come to work, and do your job, and see how that works out for you!

Tal you are a one trick pony.
Here's a hint... business owners are not in business to create jobs. Jobs are the residuals. Business owners take the risks of owning a business to make money. And yes they should own the risk just like they should own the profit . You continue to think they owe you a living . The more government piles on them the less likely they are to take the risks... that's the facts Jack .

Time after time this nonsense of pump priming has failed to bring desired results and yet the lefts answer is to double down on failure . Where did the almost $ trillion in stimulus go ? Why should we believe a failed policy in 2009-10 will work any better in 2012 ?

There is only one tax discussion worthy of having ,and that's a total reform of the tax code ,to simplify it ,reduce rates and eliminate loop holes. Raising and lowering of rates is nonsense because the rates are warped . I guarantee a reform of the tax code is the stimulus everyone is looking for.

Then lets stop calling business men the job creators, (Republicans words not mine) and put the money where the people get something for it. Fat cat taxes get nothing, and having certainty is a crock of crap because there is no guarantees to THEM making money, so they can lose some tax loopholes and pay taxes.

Last I checked, businesses wanted cheap labor, and tax breaks. Well wages haven't gone up, in 30 years, and they have had tax breaks for a decade. No Tom, that formula ain't worked for us either. Then you talk of government being in the way of them making money, since when did having rules to curb their greediness (a watered down Dodd/Frank bill), or clean air, and water stopping them from making money? How I ask is government in the way? That's a load of bull because they can't do what they want. Even the crap about the Boeing lawsuit is a load of hooey, since they built the thing already and are going to make money off it, for years.

No Tom, I ain't buying none of those talking points because truth be told, big business can make more than they ever made before, and there is absolutely nothing stopping them from expanding, creating demand, and circulating the money so the economy can grow. NOTHING but their own greed.

And I expect nothing free from anyone since I make mine the old fashion honest way, by earning it, and blame no one but myself when I don't. Why can't big business do the same? Why do they have to have slaves to make a buck?

Heck, they don't want you going to a doctor without making a profit off you. You are right though, I am a one trick pony, and I don't like to be cheated, and lied too. Don't try it.

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Reforming the tax code is cool, as long as simple means FAIR.

You don't want fair taxes... you want Robin Hood. Not much to debate when the terminology equates profits with greed.
I just don't see common ground..

Where did the almost $ trillion in stimulus go ? Why should we believe a failed policy in 2009-10 will work any better in 2012 ?Hello again, tom:

Because it didn't fail.. It just wasn't big enough. In the first place HALF of it was made up of tax cuts, so they didn't stimulate anything... The other half turned around the tremendous job loss that was happening when Obama took office...

Then the Republican onslaught against organized labor resulted in million of teachers, firemen, and other public service workers losing their jobs. They destroyed whatever progress we were making.

excon

Ex you are just describing history repeating itself. I heard the same argument by Keynesians who say Roosevelt's New Deal failed because it wasn't big enough .
The truth is that it's never big enough; because it's fundamentally flawed ;because it presumes that government is the job creator. Order more asphalt.. that'll turn it around. Good thing there are infrastructure repairs needed with all these hurricanes. Yeah that's the ticket.

you don't want fair taxes ...you want Robin Hood. Not much to debate when the terminology equates profits with greed.
I just don't see common ground ..

Fair as in my 33% regular contribution on my wages should be matched by HIS 33% regular contribution on his wages, or I guess that's not fair huh, since he doesn't contribute as regularly as I do, or at the same rate. Why do you equate taxes with Robin Hood, it ain't Robin Hood when I pay mine??

Who in their right mind actually believes that the way to get out of debt is to spend more money?Hello again, tom:

That's YOUR objective.. Mine would be to grow the economy and when that happens, we can pay off the debt.. Who, in their right minds lays off teachers when the education of our youth is plummeting??

excon

Who in their right mind actually believes that the way to get out of debt is to spend more money?

The way to get out of debt is to EARN more money, and have a reasonable plan to pay bills. Or file for bankruptcy, and start all over with a lower credit leverage.

If your car broke down and you couldn't get to work you wouldn't quit would you? No, you would borrow the money to fix it, and pay it back. Its not easy, but do able.

Repubs say cut poor people to pay the debt, I say raise taxes to pay it. But then again a poor guy deserves nothing and rich guys deserve all they can make.

They didn't pay slaves either.

Ex you are just describing history repeating itself. I heard the same argument by Keynesians who say Roosevelt's New Deal failed because it wasn't big enough .
The truth is that it's never big enough; because it's fundamentally flawed ;because it presumes that government is the job creator. Order more asphalt ..that'll turn it around. Good thing there are infrastructure repairs needed with all these hurricanes. Yeah that's the ticket.

Bridges have been crumbling for decades and the bill to fix them was fillibustered, and is till in the Senate. And the new deal didn't fail, and it wasn't big enough. Repubs watered that down and blocked it too. History repeats itself, and since you learned nothing from it, we get the same results, a stunted half arse recovery.

For once can't you guys get out of the way with the no we can't gloom and doom?

No wonder guys like Slick Rick, and his $7.50 job creation impresses you guys.

Show me one example where Keynesian pump priming was big enough. That is doesn't work because it wasn't big enough is the constant complaint of the left. They won't admit their assumption is wrong.

Tal as you know I would be very happy with a flat rate. But that isn't the lib argument. They say the rich don't pay their fair share when they already pay by far the vast majority of Federal Revenues.

The rich have lawyers, accountants, lobbyist, and all kinds of resources, why are you defending them? Let them defend themselves why don't you, as I don't understand why hard working repubs such as yourself worry so much about what rich guys make, I don't get it.

I understand the lib philosophy perfectly. Rob Peter to pay Paul because there are more Pauls than Peters. The problem is there is no sating that attitude. The President has already redefined downward what it is to be rich because he knows the rich don't have enough to pay for his ambitions.
Even then there would be a thin case for it if anyone could demonstrate a Keynesian success.

You didn't answer my question, Why defend the rich when they have the resources to defend themselves?

After every depression or recession, they still are rich, so what's with this robbing somebody stuff? They screw themselves with messing up the economy we suffer, so how are they getting robbed? Forget Keynes, he didn't rob anybody either.

What we got to beg the rich to have a few bucks or what?

How about blaming this on the half of the population who are leaches... they pay no taxes yet are quick to line up to suck at the puplic tit.

Make them pay their fair share... (which is the SAME percentage anyone else has to pay of their income). Take away the handouts for the terminally lazy... and see if deficits disappear in a hurry.

Hello again:

Smoothy laid out the Republican position perfectly... Don't tax the rich. Tax the poor.

No wonder we're going to hell.

excon

No wonder we're going to hell.

excon

Yes going to hell in a handcart

Hello again:

Smoothy laid out the Republican position perfectly... Don't tax the rich. Tax the poor.

No wonder we're going to hell.

excon

We are going to hell in a hurry because HALF the population don't think they should contribute at all... and they think half that does isn't paying enough (talk about hypocrits)... and the half that actually IS footing the bills are sick and fed up with it... and THAT is why the economy is where it is.

Welfare states never work... thats why California is so much worse off than many other states... in fact Socialism hasn't worked anyplace in history.

Why bust your butt if your money goes to pay the lazy bum next door to sit on his butt and breed the neighborhood welfare queens.

We are going to hell in a hurry because HALF the population don't think they should contribute at all...Hello again, smoothy:

I'm not into giving people a free lunch either, and certainly there are SOME of those...

But, as I have corrected you before, what you're saying is just NOT SO! The BULK of the 47% of the people you're talking about, DO contribute just like YOU and I do. True, the don't pay income taxes, but they pay PLENTY of federal taxes where most of the federal budget is derived... Just to list a few taxes they pay: Payroll taxes, unemployment taxes, Medicare taxes, federal telephone taxes, federal gasoline taxes, federal excise taxes, and they pay plenty of state taxes too, like sales tax, cigarette tax, beer tax, highway tax, car tab fees, drivers license fees, and I could go on and on... Yup. Looks like they contribute to ME.

So, if you want to repeat right wing talking points, be prepared to BACK them up...

excon

We are going to hell in a hurry because HALF the population don't think they should contribute at all....and they think half that does isn't paying enough (talk about hypocrits)....and the half that actually IS footing the bills are sick and fed up with it....and THAT is why the economy is where it is.

Welfare states never work....thats why California is so much worse off than many other states....in fact Socialism hasn't worked anyplace in history.

Why bust your butt if your money goes to pay the lazy bum next door to sit on his butt and breed the neighborhood welfare queens.

Okay I'll bite, how much should a $19,000 (The per capita income of TEXAS), family of FOUR, be expected pay in income taxes?

We are going to hell in a hurry because HALF the population don't think they should contribute at all....and they think half that does isn't paying enough (talk about hypocrits)....and the half that actually IS footing the bills are sick and fed up with it....and THAT is why the economy is where it is.

Welfare states never work....thats why California is so much worse off than many other states....in fact Socialism hasn't worked anyplace in history.

Why bust your butt if your money goes to pay the lazy bum next door to sit on his butt and breed the neighborhood welfare queens.
You guys have a 50% employment rate??

Hello again, smoothy:

I'm not into giving people a free lunch either, and certainly there are SOME of those...

But, as I have corrected you before, what you're saying is just NOT SO! The BULK of the 47% of the people you're talking about, DO contribute just like YOU and I do. True, the don't pay income taxes, but they pay PLENTY of federal taxes where most of the federal budget is derived... Just to list a few taxes they pay: Payroll taxes, unemployment taxes, Medicare taxes, federal telephone taxes, federal gasoline taxes, federal excise taxes, and they pay plenty of state taxes too, like sales tax, cigarette tax, beer tax, highway tax, car tab fees, drivers license fees, and I could go on and on... Yup. Looks like they contribute to ME.

So, if you wanna repeat right wing talking points, be prepared to BACK them up...

excon

Federal Income tax is a federal tax... state taxes are state taxes, MANY states the income tax are factored and based against your Federal income tax returns... Reduce or eliminate the Federal and the state obligation decreases or goes away too.

And many of these worthless lumps don't just get away with paying nothing... many get money back for doing nothing but breathing. That is a net LOSS for the Federal tax coffers... which means they are worse than simply not contributing... they are siphoning off tax dollars that might actually go to something useful (but more than likely just some pork project).

You guys have a 50% employment rate?????

Where did you get that from? 47% of the population effectively pay no income tax... thanks to liberal tax credits... and worse, many of those actually get money back from the tax trough they never earned or had deducted in the first place...

Not sure how taxes are handled in Canada... but here its all smoke and mirrors... they pretend to pay... but thanks to lefty breaks and adjustments... they might get $10,000 returned when there was only $3,000 withheld in the first place.

That means $7,000 of someone else's taxes went not to the government to pay for government projects... but to some lefty who dropped out of high school. Or feels working hard to get ahead is against his civil rights.

47% of the population effectively pay no income tax.

Oh you referring to that myth.

It's A Myth That 47% Of Americans Pay No Taxes, In Truth 86% Pay Taxes (http://www.politicususa.com/en/half-americans-taxes)

Daily Kos: Breaking Down the 'Half Pay No Taxes' Myth (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/22/1009489/-Breaking-Down-the-Half-Pay-No-Taxes-Myth)

47 Percent 'Don't Pay Taxes'? No Big Deal - Business - The Atlantic Wire (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/business/2010/04/47-percent-don-t-pay-taxes-no-big-deal/24826/)

If you are going to pull out blogs with no accountability or credibility... I'm sure I can find a blog or two that claim Obama is a space alien too. But that's not going to prove anything either.

You mean those article I posted with links to their sources? Yea, those.

You just don't even bother even looking at them do you?

You have that backwards - that's a neocon tactic called "the shock doctrine". Google it.

Ah, so some Canadian author's conspiracy theory is what we should be worried about? I'd put that in the same category as "the Dominionist conspiracy." Total BS.

You mean those article I posted with links to their sources? Yea, those.

You just don't even bother even looking at them do you?

I looked at them... obscure no-name pro-liberal blog places with no real reputation at any of them. Just because you find it on the net doesn't mean its true.

Okay I'll bite, how much should a $19,000 (The per capita income of TEXAS), family of FOUR, be expected pay in income taxes?

Id say right about 15% after they get their prebate. That covers the tax on the basics for a family of 4. Pass the fair tax and be done with it.

I looked at them......obscure no-name pro-liberal blog places with no real reputation at any of them. Just because you find it on the net doesn't mean its true.

So these places are all discounted by you:
Census.gov
Finance,senate.gov
IRS.gov

All those all liberal conspiracy sites?

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Id say right about 15% after they get their prebate. That covers the tax on the basics for a family of 4. Pass the fair tax and be done with it.



So that means a family of 4 can live off roughly $16,150 dollars a year, after taxes.



In 2009, in the United States of America, the poverty threshold for a single person under 65 was US$11,161; the threshold for a family group of four, including two children, was US$21,756.

Poverty threshold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_level)

Poverty Thresholds 2009 - U.S Census Bureau (http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/threshld/thresh09.html)

That makes Texas a welfare state right?? The Gov. of that welfare state wants to be President based on his accomplishments on behalf of that welfare state.

So that means a family of 4 can live off of roughly $16,150 dollars a year, after taxes.




Poverty threshold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_level)

Poverty Thresholds 2009 - U.S Census Bureau (http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/threshld/thresh09.html)

That makes Texas a welfare state right??? The Gov. of that welfare state wants to be President based on his accomplishments on behalf of that welfare state.

If you go by the fair tax then that 16,150 would be adjusted up by the amount they receive in the prebate. And if your asking can they live at that level? If they are then it stands to reason they can. There still may be other programs in place to help.

Can you support YOUR family on $336 dollars a week? With no help for rent, utilities, transportation, education, or medicine??

My point, that's a hard living with a couple of kids, and no outside help. But those programs are the very ones being put on the cut list. Those are the new jobs being created here, a majority at least, and the unemployment rate is ticking up, not down. What am I missing here, because we still have a big deficit.

I can get with tax reform, but I am not seeing how more working poor jobs gets the economy working again? Help!!

So these places are all discounted by you:
census.gov
finance,senate.gov
irs.gov

All those all liberal conspiracy sites?

Do you actually believe the true unemployment rate is what the government reports? You would be VERY wrong to say yes... that number only counts those actually collecting benefits... not how many are actually unemployed that want to be working, those who gave up trying or those whose benefits have run out. The REAL unemployment numbers are far higher than the fudged numbers are intended to lead you believe.

But I suppose the libs only believe the government completely when a liberal is in office... here's a newsflash... the libs lie even more than the average politician. And you don't think a government worker isn't influenced to do what the powers that be demands... without fear of payback... think again. If the government is involved... you can count on someone cooking the books.

And besides... YOU didn't quote those sources anyway... you picked three practically unknown liberal blogs.

All right Smoothy, post your sources that you trust or shut up forever about liberal conspiracies.

Also you never ever comment on the content of articles, you always deflect to some other argunment that you invent.

Hey Karma you know he is right, the figures are fudged. Knowing that doesn't help the situation, it just means that the recovery is further away

Speaking of the new super congress and taxes, how about letting the IRS do your taxes for you?


Imagine this scenario (http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/06/coming-soon-the-irs-will-do-your-taxes-for-you/#ixzz1XHNKM89o): The IRS may soon just do your taxes for you — and send you the bill.

If this sounds farfetched, it’s not.

With a new congressional “super committee” tasked with finding $1.5 trillion in cuts by November, creative ways to find additional revenue are in high demand. And allowing the IRS to prepare you taxes could be one solution.

The idea has been around for a while, but has been picking up steam in recent years. In 2006, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) argued it would close a $345 billion annual difference between what the government believes taxpayers owe them and what the IRS actually collects, which he calls the “tax gap.”

“I think the solution [to the tax gap problem] is to get rid of the middle-man and no fees required,” he said.

Obama’s former Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers Austan Goolsbee made a strong case for it in a 2006 New York Times op-ed, explaining, “… the revenue service could send you a tax form already filled out with the information it has for you — a Simple Return — rather than a blank tax form. You would simply check the numbers against your W-2 and 1099 and then sign it.”

But this isn’t just an idea floated by senators and presidential advisers. While running for president, then-Sen. Barack Obama touted it during a 2007 speech at the Tax Policy Institute: “The government already collects wage and bank account information,” he said, “so there’s no reason the IRS can’t send Americans pre-filled tax forms to verify.”

While the notion of allowing government to encroach on yet another aspect of our lives might sound like a hard sell, members of the Computer and Communications Industry Association (CCIA) believe this is a very real threat.

“There is a fundamental conflict of interest if the tax collectors also become the tax preparer,” said CCIA President and CEO Ed Black. “If you don’t trust the fox to guard your hen house, why trust the IRS to do your taxes. It’s the same exact thing. They make it sound so convenient, but it’s really just a convenient way to kiss your deductions and tax credits goodbye.”

Black is among the increasing number of voices who worry the “super committee” might see this as a quick way to raise taxes by $345 billion per year – the amount of the “tax gap” – without a single member of Congress ever having to vote for a tax increase.

What could possibly go wrong?

Speaking of the new super congress and taxes, how about letting the IRS do your taxes for you?
What could possibly go wrong?Nothing. It's a form with pre-filled info that you can edit. Many companies and schools do this.

the “super committee” might see this as a quick way to raise taxes by $345 billion per year – the amount of the “tax gap” – without a single member of Congress ever having to vote for a tax increase.
What could possibly go wrong?Hello again, Steve:

I'm not sure what you're saying... Are you saying that the super committee can make all the CUTS they want WITHOUT a vote, and that's FINE with you?? But, let 'em raise taxes, and YOU want it VOTED on??

That ain't right.

Excon

Nothing. It's a form with pre-filled info that you can edit. Many companies and schools do this.

Nothing? If the IRS is going to fill out my form for me they just can just do the work also and send me the check. Are you nuts, letting the IRS do your taxes? That's insane.

Hello again, Steve:

I'm not sure what you're saying... Are you saying that the super committee can make all the CUTS they want WITHOUT a vote, and that's FINE with you??? But, let 'em raise taxes, and YOU want it VOTED on???

That ain't right.

excon

I'm saying the idea of the IRS doing my taxes for me is nuts. Are you ready to turn your finances over to the feds?

P.S. You did good in your draft. Not as good as me but solid.

Nothing? If the IRS is going to fill out my form for me they just can just do the work also and send me the check. Are you nuts, letting the IRS do your taxes? That's insane.

From your own post:

“… the revenue service could send you a tax form already filled out with the information it has for you — a Simple Return — rather than a blank tax form. You would simply check the numbers against your W-2 and 1099 and then sign it.”

You're making stuff up to be outraged more than last time you were outraged. That's a lot of outrage.

Are you ready to turn your finances over to the feds?Hello again, Steve:

I'm STILL not sure what you're saying... If they do the MATH, but FORGET a deduction that I'm entitled to, I'll find it. If they do the math, and YOU don't find YOUR deductions, I'm not going to feel bad for you. If they do the math, and TOOK away my deduction arbitrarily, then I wouldn't like it... But, they won't do that.

Now, if the writer (and you) are worried about being forced to let the IRS do your entire return as it stands now, I think you could find more CREDIBLE things to worry about, like an invasion from MARS... But, you guys like to make big to do's about nothing..

excon

You're making stuff up to be outraged more than last time you were outraged. That's a lot of outrage.

Your representation of me as "outraged" is "making stuff up." Please stop making stuff up about me and find someone else to stalk before you end up getting yet another thread closed. I'm serious dude, I will not tolerate you misrepresenting me one bit.

Your representation of me as "outraged" is "making stuff up."

You mean like this:

Are you nuts, letting the IRS do your taxes? That's insane.

I'm STILL not sure what you're saying...

No one is stirring up a conspiracy, I'm just having a discussion over an item of interest in the news. A possibility, which as noted has been advocated for by the president and others. Do you think the IRS doing your taxes is a good thing? I don't, I think it's about as stupid an idea as I've ever heard.

Forgive me for thinking you wouldn't trust the government that much as well. I can never guess when you're going to protest their intrusions and when you're going to trust them.

Do you think the IRS doing your taxes is a good thing?
They aren't. They are sending pre-filled in forms to you to verify and sign. This is like the third time I mention it to you but you keep misrepresenting your own original post on the subject.

You mean like this:

You never give up do you? That was a figure of speech to address the premise of "letting the IRS do your taxes," not the person, you.

They aren't. They are sending pre-filled in forms to you to verify and sign. This is like the third time I mention it to you but you keep misrepresenting your own original post on the subject.

Please, go stalk someone else.

Do you think the IRS doing your taxes is a good thing? I don't.

Forgive me for thinking you wouldn't trust the government that much as well. I can never guess when you're going to protest their intrusions and when you're going to trust them.Hello again, Steve:

Here's the thing... Given the way taxes are calculated today, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for the IRS to fill out my form.. So, although I would object, I could find more things to object to than something that ISN'T going to happen, EVER...

Now, if they SIMPLIFIED the tax code like they SAY they're going to do, then I'm NOT going to HAVE any deductions, and then I wouldn't mind if the IRS filled in the blanks.

excon

Nothing. It's a form with pre-filled info that you can edit. Many companies and schools do this.

I can see nothing that could go right with that... they already have disclaimers if you called for tax advice on their advice line it might lot even be factual much less legal... coming from them... I certainly don't trust them do do anything involving my hard earned money.

They aren't ever going to simplify the tax code either. But if people are willing to let them fill in the blanks I won't get in their way.

Me, I'm not crazy about the idea of having to challenge their figures if they get it wrong. I like it much better as it is, them having to prove me wrong, not me having to prove them wrong.

Its not that hard, or scary, if you don't like their figures you electronically file an amendment, with your figures, that's what I have been doing for years. You don't have to wait for them to send anything really, but that's an option. I download the forms fill them out, and mail them.

Piece of cake.

Speaking of the new super congress and taxes, how about letting the IRS do your taxes for you?



What could possibly go wrong?

It is actually a good idea and has been operating successfully here in recent years in an electronic setting. Identify yourself, download the software with prefilled information, make adjustments and submit, Very simple

It is actually a good idea and has been operating successfully here in recent years in an electronic setting. Identify yourself, download the software with prefilled information, make adjustments and submit, Very simple

But they won't even hold themselves responsible for bad or wrong tax advice they give on their own tax helpline.

Sorry... I don't trust them with my garbage much less my money.

But they won't even hold themselves responsible for bad or wrong tax advice they give on their own tax helpline.

Sorry.....I don't trust them with my garbage much less my money.

You need to get a better government

But they won't even hold themselves responsible for bad or wrong tax advice they give on their own tax helpline.

Sorry.....I don't trust them with my garbage much less my money.

How long have you been in the Tea party

How long have you been in the Tea party

Before you discount that you should actually look into it, its no great national secret like Obamas school records... if you watched TV at all anywhere near the tax deadline they tell you that every year... its no great secret... and it the Lefty Drive by media is who puts that information out between their discertations of Democrat Party Propaganda. So you HAVE to take them at their word... they may throw you under the bus if you don't.

Hello again:

I'm willing to have an ADULT conversation with a winger, but you can't do that cause they HOLD back.. Every single "adult" conversation THEY want to have is about cutting entitlements... The STUPID Democrats engage the wingers in THAT conversation giving it credence, where it deserves NO credence whatsoever...

Now, I don't disagree with the WINGER position that we need to LIVE within our means. I'm even WINGYIER than they are on budgetary matters, and SMALL government matters...

But, when I look at the federal budget, I look at the WHOLE budget, and not just the part the emails said I should be looking at...

So, in its simplest form, we can BALANCE our budget very SIMPLY if we ended the two wars we know about, and the 15 or so that we DON'T know about, trimmed down the surveillance state, let the Bush tax cuts end, and make a few adjustment to our entitlement programs...

Oh, and I'd institute Medicare for all Medical costs are rising faster than we can keep up. It's KILLING us. Medicare for all will nip it in the bud.

A little tinkering here and there, and we're DONE. That's all! Next??

excon

Ex... Is your idea of an "Adult" conversation as one restricted to and limited to what you personally want it to be in content?

Have you taken a look at the mess Medicare is in right now... they can't pay for their current obligations and you want to pile on more?

Get rid of the pork... the pet projects... and all the blatant political payback projects like 100% of the "stimulus" program that only benifited major liberal campaign donors.

STOP spending more than we take in... just like every other person has to do...

Make EVERYONE pay the same percentage of their income... and stop giving the majority of tax breaks to Democrat slum dwellers... get rid of Obamacare since most liberal organisations were granted wavers exempting themselves from it by the Messiah.

And OH... how about taking away all of HOLLYWOODS tax breaks... with the money they make and the money they throw around in salaries... they clearly don't need them.


But then... King Barry, and Queen Harry (Nancy got demoted)seem to think they are royalty and are entitled to spend as much as they want... and that you can spend your way out of debt.

Originally Posted by talaniman
How long have you been in the Tea party


Before you discount that you should actually look into it, its no great national secret like Obamas school records... if you watched TV at all anywhere near the tax deadline they tell you that every year... its no great secret... and it the Lefty Drive by media is who puts that information out between their dissertations of Democrat Party Propaganda. So you HAVE to take them at their word... they may throw you under the bus if you don't.
Is that a yes, or no to being in the tea party, and how long?? And all I saw during the debt ceiling debate was sidetracking, and hostage taking by those that are afraid of whatever they are afraid of, who like you fail to recognize FACTS, and FIGURES, and would rather proselytize, than recognize, that not everybody is in agreement with your vision of the way things should be done, or the method of doing it, but as shown with the stimulus you decry and hate so much, have no shame taking credit for the money getting to your own home states, and that's the only time you guys smile (cheese, and grin), when you are taking credit for somebody else's SUCCESS.


Ex... Is your idea of an "Adult" conversation as one restricted to and limited to what you personally want it to be in content?
Adult conversation is a calm rational expression with a goal of working together to RESOLVE issues to the benefit of ALL. Not a crying screaming campaign to undermine the PROCESS by not listening and understanding, and refusing to talk at all. Your way or the highway doesn't work for me. Or anyone who doesn't want to reach a solution that we all gain from.

Have you taken a look at the mess Medicare is in right now... they can't pay for their current obligations and you want to pile on more?
Talk about not reading, but I guess sites with just FACTS, and figures, and no colorful pictures, and rhetoric, isn't something to study and understand. Doesn't your TV get more than FOX NEWS? Or is changing your remote batteries not an option. A week of Cspan, Natgeo, the Discover Channel and the History Channel, May give you the facts you are lacking without the partisan rhetoric, or maybe just learn to Google multiple sources to catch up on math, and science.

Get rid of the pork... the pet projects... and all the blatant political payback projects like 100% of the "stimulus" program that only benefited major liberal campaign donors.
LOL, Repubs said NO earmarks, but behind the scenes they sent personal letters to the Treasury, White House, and as many agency's as they could find asking for funds for their pet projects. So they have another way to get their "EARMARK< and PORK, for their donors, just not in public. And you act like there is no such thing as conservative campaign donors. REALLY... Really... really??


STOP spending more than we take in... just like every other person has to do...
Stop taking all we take in and giving it to the rich.

Make EVERYONE pay the same percentage of their income... and stop giving the majority of tax breaks to Democrat slum dwellers... get rid of Obamacare since most liberal organizations were granted wavers exempting themselves from it by the Messiah.
So all the slum dwellers are democrats, poor people are democrats, laid off people are democrats. Yeah, right, borderline veiled racism. Par for the course with the low information, scared crowd. But I won't get into that aspect of things because why waste time on FACTS, when you can holler and scream, and make noise to distract, disrupt, and obstruct, which REPUBLICANS have proven they are GREAT at as a group.

and OH... how about taking away all of HOLLYWOOD'S tax breaks... with the money they make and the money they throw around in salaries... they clearly don't need them.
Last I checked, ALL the rich people had money to do as they please with. Isn't that the pledge of all the wingers on the right? Keep your hands off my money, and give me more!


But then... King Barry, and Queen Harry (Nancy got demoted)seem to think they are royalty and are entitled to spend as much as they want... and that you can spend your way out of debt.
They spend on things a poor fellow like myself can get with, what is a republican spending on? Oh that's right, no more spending, just cut the things a poor fellow such as myself might need, or depend on in a time of crisis.

Right wingers think it's a crime to feed hungry people, or the sick kids, or show them how to read. But they never met a FAT CAT they didn't like. You wish you could get rid of everybody else and just have the fraidy right wing left. Doubt that happens, but keep hollering.

So how long have you been in the TEA party, Wait don't answer, the right fringe just decided to change their name to get others to think they are something other than the nut jobs we have come to know and love, and dismiss.

See you at the voting booth, if they haven't changed the rules on that too!!

England shows the way .

GPs told to ration cancer scans in bureaucratic directive | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2034914/GPs-told-ration-cancer-scans-bureaucratic-directive.html)

England shows the way . GPs told to ration cancer scans in bureaucratic directive | Mail OnlineHello again, tom:

Let's be clear. You're not against rationing. You're against GOVERNMENT rationing... It's fine with you if the insurance adjuster does it, or your bank account doing it...

excon

Be really simple for those who created the mess to fix it, and stop blaming the janitor.

That's what republican policy seems to do, blame the ones the roof fell on instead of the guys that ran into it. And get mad at the guy that's supposed to rebuild it.

I think its very odd, and very telling that one side says the AMERICAN people want.. without listening to what the AMERICAN people want!

Is that a yes, or no to being in the tea party, and how long??? And all I saw during the debt ceiling debate was sidetracking, and hostage taking by those that are afraid of whatever they are afraid of, who like you fail to recognize FACTS, and FIGURES, and would rather proselytize, than recognize, that not everybody is in agreement with your vision of the way things should be done, or the method of doing it, but as shown with the stimulus you decry and hate so much, have no shame taking credit for the money getting to your own home states, and thats the only time you guys smile (cheese, and grin), when you are taking credit for somebody elses SUCCESS.


Adult conversation is a calm rational expression with a goal of working together to RESOLVE issues to the benefit of ALL. Not a crying screaming campaign to undermine the PROCESS by not listening and understanding, and refusing to talk at all. Your way or the highway doesn't work for me. Or anyone who doesn't want to reach a solution that we all gain from.

Talk about not reading, but I guess sites with just FACTS, and figures, and no colorful pictures, and rhetoric, isn't something to study and understand. Doesn't your TV get more than FOX NEWS? Or is changing your remote batteries not an option. A week of Cspan, Natgeo, the Discover Channel and the History Channel, May give you the facts you are lacking without the partisan rhetoric, or maybe just learn to google multiple sources to catch up on math, and science.

LOL, Repubs said NO earmarks, but behind the scenes they sent personal letters to the Treasury, White House, and as many agency's as they could find asking for funds for their pet projects. So they have another way to get their "EARMARK< and PORK, for their donors, just not in public. And you act like there is no such thing as conservative campaign donors. REALLY....Really.....really????


Stop taking all we take in and giving it to the rich.

So all the slum dwellers are democrats, poor people are democrats, laid off people are democrats. Yeah, right, borderline veiled racism. Par for the course with the low information, scared crowd. But I won't get into that aspect of things because why waste time on FACTS, when you can holler and scream, and make noise to distract, disrupt, and obstruct, which REPUBLICANS have proven they are GREAT at as a group.

Last I checked, ALL the rich people had money to do as they please with. Isn't that the pledge of all the wingers on the right? Keep your hands off my money, and give me more!


They spend on things a poor fellow like myself can get with, what is a republican spending on? Oh thats right, no more spending, just cut the things a poor fellow such as myself might need, or depend on in a time of crisis.

Right wingers think its a crime to feed hungry people, or the sick kids, or show em how to read. But they never met a FAT CAT they didn't like. You wish you could get rid of everybody else and just have the fraidy right wing left. Doubt that happens, but keep hollering.

So how long have you been in the TEA party, Wait don't answer, the right fringe just decided to change their name to get others to think they are something other than the nut jobs we have come to know and love, and dismiss.

See you at the voting booth, if they haven't changed the rules on that too!!!!

Do you really believe all that crap? I hope not.


I'm not rich.. and I'm damned tired of my money going to housing projects where nobody bothered to finish high school much less work hard. I'm tired of paying for fat lazy people to breed like rats. You make it you work to support it. Even if it takes three jobs.

I'm tired of being preached to by people that did nothing but "block and obstruct" when they didn't hold the majority... I'm tired of the lunatic left that refused to even allow debate on the Obamacare rape. Don't remember THAT going through the normal process of a vote... never mind it was done behind closed doors and republicans were refused to have ANY input over... you mean that sort of obstructionism?

I'm tired of the lunatic left that refused to even allow debate on the Obamacare rape. Don't remember THAT going through the normal process of a vote... never mind it was done behind closed doors and republicans were refused to have ANY input over... you mean that sort of obstructionism?

You mean the same process that got us the BUSH tax cuts? You ever heard of paying for two wars, and programs by lowering taxes? That's what we did under you right wing compassionate conservatives, in addition to making theft, LEGAL!

Yeah I am tired too smoothy. Your crap is no better than mine, and that's a darn shame, because you think it is.

You mean the same process that got us the BUSH tax cuts? You ever heard of paying for two wars, and and programs by lowering taxes? Thats what we did under you right wing compassionate conservatives, in addition to making theft, LEGAL!

Yeah I am tired too smoothy. Your crap is no better than mine, and thats a darn shame, because you think it is.

You are trying to compare the Bush tax cuts to Obamacare? They are nothing alike...


Afghanistand and IRAQ both are legal actions... Bush got congressional approval BOTH times... and three years into Obama we are still there... with even MORE people... Time to look at your messiah and point fingers aty him... HE owns that now... and has for some time.

Exactly where is that approval for Libya? Right... it was NEVER given yet there we are... troops over there and Billions spent for what? THAT is the one you should be indignant about... because THAT is in clear violation of the War Powers Act.
When does Obamacare sunset? Right, it doesn't. It didn't go through ANY debate... or proper vote, because the Republicans who had every right to debate it... were literally and physically locked out of the process. THe Democrats literally did it unilaterally behind actual closed doors.

Want to talk executive orders... there are hundreds the Popus blowhard in the whitehouse has issued.

The Bush tax cuts were for people who actually paid taxes... unlike the breaks given to people that don't even work much less pay.

I am sick and tired of my tax dollars paying for ILLEGALS education... in my case that's several thousand of MY dollars going to people who don't beliong here... based on my own counties assessment of the percentage of illegals in my counties schools and what I pay in property taxes every year.

Then there is what the Illegals cost us in hospitals they never pay the bills for... and Obama decide to decree laws that were passed properly will not be enforced because he is the Lord Almighty and nobody shall ever question anything he says or does because as the Messiah... he and only he determines what laws are enfoced or not... and none shall apply to him.

I have no problem helping the severely handicapped... but abled bodied people can get off their butts and work... FAT and lazy aren't a handicap... they are an excuse. Illegals seem to find work even in this economy... why can't they.

That's theft... and Illegal...

Gee I also notice there is no outrage over Hollywoods tax breaks... they can afford to pay actors tens of millions for a film... manke hundreds of millions profits per film... and THEY deserve a dime in tax breaks?

What's wrong with Democrats anyway?. OBAMA is president... this is Obamas mess. Bush has been out of office a long time... and isn't running a shadow government as much as the left wants to believe.

Nice rant!

Nice rant!

Not a rant... its reality. And a LOT of people feel the same way too. Just NOT the liberal minority.

Seems we are not the minority you think we are, but we will count the votes next year, like we do every TWO years.

Get some rest, we wouldn't want you to tired to vote would we?

Seems we are not the minority you think we are, but we will count the votes next year, like we do every TWO years.

Get some rest, we wouldn't want you to tired to vote would we?

Liberals ARE the minority group... Obama duped enough of the independents to vote for him is the only reason he stole the election... and nobody has proven ACORNs fraud wasn't enough to swing the vote.

Independents are wise to the fact they were conned bigtime. They won't make the same mistake twice.

Last gallop Poll I saw had Obama at 29% positive which is not a lot more than the die-hard lefties actually number. But those will believe anything the Party tells them to believe.

All Obma as done for three years was waste trillions... start a third war... and blame Bush for everything including his Erectile dysfunction and hemeroids.

Since your ratings are no better than mine, then your erectile dysfunction and hemorrhoids are no WORSE than mine. So why can't we share the only tube of Preparation H? Mind if I go first?

Okay, I confess, I used the only tube of butt ointment during the Bush years, and there ain't no more, so I guess you have to cure your hurt butt with something else. I know, a selfish thing to do, and I am sorry, but my butt really was hurting back then.

Much better now, though. Can I recommend ice cubes, won't help the farts, but will ease the pain.

I can happily say I suffer from neither yet. And I hope to make it to a ripe old age before I do.