I heard that the relgion started some where in the US, but don't know anything about it?

As good a place as any to start: Mormons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon)

It started near where I grew up, near Rochester, NY. (I have walked through the sacred grove and climbed the holy hill.)

Mormons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (http://lds.org/?lang=eng)

In an earlyer discution with you when I quaoted wikipedia you said that I can't believe what written on the web site?

Quoting wondergirl
'And you believe what you read in Wikipedia?' from the discusion will poor be amongst us.

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in an earlyer discution with you when i quaoted wikipedia you said that i can't belive what writen on the web site?

You said the Wiki information on Appalachia is correct, so I figured you trust that source. That's why I used it in this thread.

The other link I posted is from the Mormon church itself (just in case you doubt Wikipedia).

Wiki is a very poor source but it is commonly used. And if you know nothing it is a start. But asking for info about them, is like asking what does a catholic believe or what does a Muslim believe,

Do you have any specific areas of question.

Wiki... But asking for info about them, is like asking what does a catholic believe ....

This is TOO funny.

Chuck makes a good point, and let us not forget that catholics, muslims and mormoms all believe something very different about Jesus. To the Christian, catholics included, Jesus is the eternal saviour, to the muslims he is a prophet, to the mormons he is the son but not God as the christians believe

On the surface they believe very closely to the rest of American Christianity. Most Christians call it a cult as it is an offshoot of mainstream belief. I am on the fence about the labeling it as a cult. The center of Christianity and every one of it's denominations is still that Jesus Christ came, died and rose from the grave for sinful humanity. This core belief is essential for the doctrine of salvation... which they hold just like every other denomination. It's when you really start studying their beliefs on the after life that they make a major turn from everyone else. Even their prophets have made some major claims contradictory to the Bible, which they still claim as divine authority. From the beginning their founder Joseph Smith had, at best, a sketchy history. It doesn't take much studying to find their history to be filled with problems. I am one of the few people who will gladly talk with them if they come to my home.

Was there a specific doctrine you were wondering about or just the religion as a whole?

Joseph Smith, if my history serves me right, lead his people (church of latter day saints) (protestant connection) west to escape persecution in the east, but Smith died before they reached salt lake city. Brigham Young then took over. Some of this history is lost on me, this is about all can remember from what I have read. It is start, but is a purely american religion constituted by Brigham Young. Of course, they do promote mutlliple marriages as far as I know.

Of course, they do promote mutlliple marriages as far as I know.
The main church body does not any longer (the practice was disavowed by the LDS Church in 1890, plus polygamy is illegal in the U.S.), but fundamentalist LDS groups do.

Polygamy may be illegal in the US, but seems to me those who believe in multiple unions move to Alaska or possible into Canada to avoid persecution but have heard they are sought out anyway. I mean how can you hide one man having multiple unions and the children resulting from those unions in the school system, either in Canada or the US; but maybe those children are home schooled?

Tick

Polygamy may be illegal in the US, but seems to me those who believe in multiple unions move to Alaska or possible into Canada to avoid persecution but have heard they are sought out anyway. I mean how can you hide one man having multiple unions and the children resulting from those unions in the school system, either in Canada or the US; but maybe those children are home schooled??

tick
There are LDS enclaves in the U.S. (a famous one in the backwaters of AZ) that believe in polygamy, and yes, their children are either homeschooled or the groups support their own parochial schools. Teen males who are competition for the young women whom the older males want as wives are kicked out of the group.

. Teen males who are competition for the young women whom the older males want as wives are kicked out of the group.

That sounds primitive, almost very territorial as in wolf packs.

That sounds primitive, almost very territorial as in wolf packs.
Who is that cute teen girl going to want to marry -- the buff young teen male or the grizzled old poop?

Here's a blog that lists a number of fundamentalist settlements, their membership, and their characteristics --

http://illegiterati.com/2008/04/26/fundamentalist-mormon-sects-a-handy-dandy-guide-part-2/

Also,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_fundamentalism

Who is that cute teen girl gonna want to marry -- the buff young teen male or the grizzled old poop?

The one who has the better accoutrements.

The one who has the better accoutrements.
And what's your definition of "accoutrements"?

Why would the older men kick out the younger ones if they were confident in their accoutrements?

But then how is the "multiple wives with multiple children so much different than those other elements in our society who have several children by different women, Call them "PLAYERS" or they are just staying over since they are the babies daddy and so on. The main difference I see is that those with multiple wives actually care for, support and are there for the family. And the women know about each other.

As long as they don't get a state marriage license, what is the real difference

And the women know about each other.

Most women don't want to share their man with two or more other women. Ask Lady Toni. Would she share you in a marriage? :D

Yeah, this is one of those groups that one could just go on and on with what they believe... especially what they believe versus what they USED to believe.

Most women don't want to share their man with two or more other women. Ask Lady Toni. Would she share you in a marriage? :D

She does not want to share me with this site some days, but I know far too many and of course stereotype but while they don't share them like in the house next door, but they stay with this babies mommy for this week or two, then that one the next few, Or they have two or three girlfriends or mistresses.


There just seems to be a double standard as to society accepting one over the other.

Even here on the sex boards, many of our own experts talk acceptance of threesomes if all the parties are OK with it.

So if they do not wish to commit to a long term relationship, it is OK, but it is not if they do

[QUOTE=Wondergirl;2838755]And what's your definition of "accoutrements"?

I didn't say that. I said, in answer to your comment that the younger women would go for the younger men that maybe they would not, depending on how the older men were 'equipped'. Am I making myself clear ? I can't say what I really mean on this board. It would not be acceptable. So you will have to read between the lines.

Tick

I didnt say that. I said, in answer to your comment that the younger women would go for the younger men that maybe they would not, depending on how the older men were 'equipped'. Am I making myself clear ?
Now you are. When you said "better accutrements," my first thought was money and possessions, stability. The young males probably have the better biological and more desirable accutrements.

Joseph Smith, if my history serves me right, lead his people (church of latter day saints) (protestant connection) west to escape persecution in the east, but Smith died before they reached salt lake city. Brigham Young then took over. Some of this history is lost on me, this is about all can remember from what i have read. It is start, but is a purely american religion constituted by Brigham Young. Of course, they do promote mutlliple marriages as far as I know.

You see tickle this is how misinformation gets around. At one time mormons did practice polygamy but that was discontinued, Joseph Smith founded the church and it was because of polygamy and for other reasons they had violent clashes with other citizens. This resulted in their expulsion more than once and migration to Utah, at that time not part of the US. The mormons favour their own Scriptures called the Book of Mormon over the Bible. They should not be regarded as protestant as they are their own religion. Here is a general discussion
Mormonism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism)

Now you are. When you said "better accutrements," my first thought was money and possessions, stability. The young males probably have the better biological and more desirable accutrements.

We could debate this probably but without good examples; I am thinking along the lines W, by accoutrements I meant what they are endowed with. Some older men may be better endowed then the younger ones.

Tick

Some older men may be better endowed then the younger ones.
That's what I meant by "biological." I still think the young women would prefer the hot-blooded young males. At least, it's that fear that causes the older males to drive out from the settlement the younger ones.

We basically agree, tick.

We basically agree, tick.



Oh, good, I wasn't sure :)

Just to jump in here. I have had missionaries visit me. I am open to talking with them, and even open reading the book of mormon that I have done on my own in the past. I will say that so far there are so many similarities between The book of Mormon and the Bible, you would swear that lots of the messages, quotes and information from the kings James bible landed right in the book of mormon. There is not much contradiction at all really. Now the Church itself and their intrepretations of the bible may differ. I am not defending them but the best way to learn about their church and faith is to talk with them. Does not mean you have to join the church although they defiantly like to put the pressure on you to join and get baptised in their church but it all comes down to choice. It all comes down to learning and growing. Not through information from the internet but actually talking with a Mormon brother or sister yourself.

Joe

Not through information from the internet but actually talking with a Mormon brother or sister yourself.Oh I have. I was a Big Brother (Big Brothers/Bid Sisters organization) and my little was the son one a single mom who was an LDS. I saw him every weekend almost and we also participated in their church (hall?) activities. The one thing I noticed is that it felt a little cultish, especially to the point of excluding family members that weren't part of the church. Having your religious text line up with the bible is one thing, how the congregation/church expects you to live your live is another.

The one thing I noticed is that it felt a little cultish, especially to the point of excluding family members that weren't part of the church.

Well I told the visitors that my wife has different beliefs and wants to stay within her own church she was brought up with along with my son. Did not seemed to phase them, because they are trying to work on me. I was told they will work on me, try to get me converted and they try to work on my family.

Oddly enough they didn't try to convert me. I think they look for more weak prey. :)

Wow. Well I told them I am open to learn about their beleifs. I am open to communicating with them, but that no way means that I am going to join their church.

Oddly enough they didn't try to convert me. I think they look for more weak prey. :)

Did you use the name Jesus that usually gets them on their way. I like to tell them Joseph Smith was a false prophet and none of his prophecies were ever fulfilled.