I have a Irish Setter/Lab mix. He is 14yrs old and has always had seizures and shaking.. We don't currently have a vet and last week my dog fell and had a seizure we never seen before he could not get up then when he got up his backside was crooked he acts like he can't stand up long and keeps falling like his back legs don't hold up anymore... He don't cry or anything when I brush him so I don't think he is in pain but he is losing weight and not eating as much as he did before the seizure. We can't afford to have him put down but we don't want him to be suffering what do we do? Is there someplace we could take him before he dies and they will handle the situation when he dies?

What an amazing post, you want us to recommend someone who can handle your dogs demise before he dies because you can't afford a vet.

You are keeping your poor pet around way past his time, he sounds like he is suffering and how do you take him to do his business? I have been where you are and it wasn't pleasant and I absolutely did not keep my lovely girl around any longer then absolutely necessary after I realized she could not handle being alive with us any longer.

Scrape the money together and take him to a vet if you don't want him to suffer. Don't you know that they know a lot more then we do, don't you think is suffering even thinking that he can't take care of himself any longer, don't you think its time to give him the peace he needs.

You are fickle.

I don't know why you refuse to comment. These lovely animals who we have as pets for so many years, give us unconditonal love, but in some cases we don't give it back. Think about it giggles (what a name for this situation, so inappropriate). Are you giggling?

Okay, you didn't answer my question about how he was getting out to do his business: you have to carry him out, right ? Yes, I did that too and my old girl really didn't like it because she realized, it wasn't supposed to be this way.

You didn't find it helpful. Well, what kind of comment would you find helpful. Take him out in the back and shoot him ? Let him waste away while you watch him? WATCH him crawl around the floor while you watch him?

You find this answer not helpful as well because I really think your kind of people despicable.

Your original question was 'is there someplace we can take him before he dies, and they will handle the situation when he dies?'

I was with my girl when I had her put under, she knew I was there and her passing was a lot better for it.

You are still a cop out lady

Tick

You have a few options. Take him to shelter (there will be a charge for relinquishing your pet), let him live his last few days in a cage until they determine that he's unadoptable and put him to sleep. That could take months depending on the shelter.

Or you can take him to the back woods and put a bullet in his brain.

Or you could take him to the vet and have him euthanized.

Those are your options.

I know that money is tight. I completely understand that, but your dog is suffering. Many vets will do a payment plan, so call around. What's best for your pet is a quick painless death. Please, try to make that happen so he doesn't have to suffer any longer then he has.

I will probably get a reddie for this but if you can afford a computer and internet connection you have some money so don't tell us you have no option. Your dog is suffering and from what you describe is not going to live more than a month or two. The dog will suffer and will not ever act as well as he acts today. Call a vet for his help. Some may do this for little or nothing at all.

ballengerb1 finds this helpful : I'd go option #2

Bullet to the brain? I know many that have gone with this option, and if done right it is quick and painless. I myself can't do it. I can't look my dog in the eye and then shoot him. I just don't have it in me, nor does my husband.

No option is easy. No matter what you choose you're losing a pet that you love. A part of your life. The thing is, you do have options. I've asked many vets about euthanizing, and most offer a payment plan. If you can't take the gun and hold it to your pets head, there are other options. Yes, that option is the cheapest, but in my opinion it's the hardest.

Call vets in your area. Tell them what's going on. Ask if they are willing to do a payment plan. It can't hurt to try, and I know many vets will agree to a payment plan because they realize that most people can't afford a large fee to ease their pets pain.

No matter what, don't leave this be. The dog is in pain. He's old. He deserves to be released from the pain. If that means shutting off the internet, or selling something, well that's what we do for those we love.

You need to find the money.

Garage sale, e-bay, newspaper, sell some possessions and GET the money.

It is not fair on the poor dog to leave it in this condition.

No-one here is being mean or harsh, try and see from our point of view.
If you read your original post as if it were someone else's dog you would be begging for that person to find the money and have the dog put the sleep as well.

Giggles,

Almost everyone who has commented on your problem is telling you, basically, what they would do if in your position, in varying degrees of compassion ranging from: embarrassingly little, to understanding, to slightly empathetic. All of us have had to face this same dilemma, but it's one we all should have been preparing for when we first got a pet... we will likely outlive our pet, so what will we do when it's time has come? Sometimes the winds of fate are at our backs, sometimes in our faces, so we should be generous, at least when approached for advice.

A 14 year old Setter is nearing the end of it's natural life... things happen and go to pot rapidly, which is what you are seeing. Age produces spinal cord problems that lead to just what you are seeing, or a stroke hits with similar results. No worthwhile treatment for either. Losing weight is often a sign that the digestive system isn't working up to full capacity. Usually not productively treatable, as it's just wearing out. This isn't my simply giving up, were I the vet, it's either facing reality, or giving you false hope and charging you for 'making the effort'.

Not having the available money at this time is understandable, and it certainly is not our place to be critical of why you find yourself there. Money and compassion for your situation are the two factors at odds here. I doubt you will find an answer without reaching a compromise between the two. Your biggest need, I think, is some way to have your dog humanely put to sleep. Next is care for the remains. You can't do the first, might you be able to take care of the latter? Most vets would ordinarily charge about $100 to put an animal down, and another $100 to care for the remains. Compassion reduces the charges, mainly on the euthanasia end I would think. I hope you can find it in your means to find some cash to meet your end of the compromise.

Best wishes and I'm sorry we have no happier answers.

I have a Irish Setter/Lab mix. He is 14yrs old and has always had seizures and shaking .. We dont currently have a vet and last week my dog fell and had a seizure we never seen before he could not get up then when he got up his backside was crooked he acts like he can't stand up long and keeps falling like his back legs dont hold up anymore... He dont cry or anything when I brush him so I dont think he is in pain but he is loosing weight and not eating as much as he did before the seizure. We can't afford to have him put down but we dont want him to be suffering what do we do? Is there someplace we could take him before he dies and they will handle the situation when he dies?


Whatever you do, don't get another dog to "replace" this one.

Other than that - I'm speechless.

Altenweg, I saw option #2 as reading "Or you could take him to the vet and have him euthanized"

Giggles,


Not having the available money at this time is understandable, and it certainly is not our place to be critical of why you find yourself there. Money and compassion for your situation are the two factors at odds here.

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Hi paleo, you will get use to us eventually. There wasn't one of us who thought the OP had any excuses not to find the money for have their lovely pet put to sleep. What bothered myself and some others was her question about alternative measures. Many of us have been through this and it isn't pleasant and I for one don't seek any other alternative but that which I find necessary in a case like this. I can't see me keeping my elderly loved one around if it is unbearable for the dog or me. And I don't doubt the pet find his/her situation intolerable. They seem to have their pride too.

However, It is great to have your knowledge here.

Tick

Giggles,

Almost everyone who has commented on your problem is telling you, basically, what they would do if in your position, in varying degrees of compassion ranging from: embarrassingly little, to understanding, to slightly empathetic. All of us have had to face this same dilemma, but it's one we all should have been preparing for when we first got a pet...we will likely outlive our pet, so what will we do when it's time has come? Sometimes the winds of fate are at our backs, sometimes in our faces, so we should be generous, at least when approached for advice.

Not having the available money at this time is understandable, and it certainly is not our place to be critical of why you find yourself there. Money and compassion for your situation are the two factors at odds here. I doubt you will find an answer without reaching a compromise between the two. Your biggest need, I think, is some way to have your dog humanely put to sleep. Next is care for the remains. You can't do the first, might you be able to take care of the latter? Most vets would ordinarily charge about $100 to put an animal down, and another $100 to care for the remains. Compassion reduces the charges, mainly on the euthanasia end I would think. I hope you can find it in your means to find some cash to meet your end of the compromise.

Best wishes and I'm sorry we have no happier answers.


I find no reason for you (or anyone else) to be "embarrassed" by the responses here. We've seen this question (in varying forms) a thousand times. This dog is suffering, the owner (for 14 years, apparently) can't seem to figure out what to do next BUT has the time as well as computer access to go on line for advice.

Alternative means? Such as.. I've been in these shoes. I BEGGED my Vet to take payments. He did. If he had not I would have gone to the next Vet and the next and the Vet and every animal shelter and/or rescue. I would have pawned my jewelry (had I had any left!), taken on a side job, begged my relatives. I would not have watched MY dog suffer and wondered... "Gee, what should I do next?" That's just me, of course, and I find no embarrassment there - either in where I've been or what I've said. I don't know where a Vet will euthanize a dog for $100 - certainly not in my area, but I don't know where OP is. Maybe that's the "going rate" there.

I do disagree with the "disposal of the remains" part. OP shouldn't be looking at how to raise $100 to euthanize the dog and another $100 to "dispose of the remains." How about $100 to euthanize the dog and then come to the realization that things are what they are, the Vet will have to dispose of the remains, as sad and painful as that may be. As I said - been there, done that. Sad, painful, horrifying - but it's reality and this family pet is suffering.

Again, have seen this question a thousand times. Everyone who answered came from experience and compassion (whether or not you believe it) and experience on AMHD. No need to criticize the volunteers who care enough to come on here over and over and over and bat their heads against walls trying to help people.

I trust you saw the comment Giggles posted for my colleague, Tickle? And, for the record, I read this the same way my colleague, Altenweg, did. I think OP is looking for someone else to handle this. I'm not saying there is a right and wrong way. You do what you can do to the extent you can do it - but the post doesn't read very well.

I'm far more outspoken than my colleagues - your comment "... so we should be generous, at least when approached for advice" is WAY out of line. Together "we've" posted in excess of 84,500 times. You've posted 130. Maybe "we" know how to respond to questions honestly and to the best of our ability and don't need coaching.

< clunk> Off my high horse.

Thank you everyone for your replys I appriciate them.. I just want to say I never said I have zero money LOL I only can't afford to put him to sleep because I hear its very expensive so I was looking for alternate options that may be less expensive but of course if I can't find any soon I will put him down. Everyone has there own opinion and I appriciate everyone's input Thank You..

Thank you for explaining giggles, unfortunately there aren't many other options.
Even if you took him to a shelter most charge a hefty fee to drop off a dog there... more than the cost of euthanizing.

A bullet as Altenweg suggested... I have seen it done a few times. It is quick, and painless, although you would have to be careful of the laws where you live, I know you "can't" do it here in Aus.
Any other methods are too risky, I have read about ways people have "disposed" of their dogs on the internet before and heard some horror stories.

I hope you understand why we were so shocked by your original post and am thankful you will take the dog to the vet.

Thank you everyone for your replys I appriciate them.. I just want to say I never said I have zero money LOL I only can't afford to put him to sleep because I hear its very expensive so I was looking for alternate options that may be less expensive but of course if I can't find any soon I will put him down. Everyone has there own opinion and I appriciate everyones input Thank You..


You will put him down? How?

At any rate - how many Vets/rescues/shelters have you called? If you keep getting high prices, keep calling. There is one Vet in my area who will euthanize for free - his explanation? He gets paid to save animals, not kill them - his exact words.

Keep calling around. You'll find someone who will help you.

And let us know how you are doing. After 14 years, no matter how sick your pet is, your house is going to be very empty without him/her. My dogs are getting older and I cherish every day and worry about losing them.

Let us know -

On a side note, we have never paid for a vet to "dispose of remains" is this when you leave the body of the animals at the vets?
We have always taken ours home and buried them in the garden.
The last animal I had put to sleep was my rabbit Jack, he came home with me in my arms.

On a side note, we have never paid for a vet to "dispose of remains" is this when you leave the body of the animals at the vets?
We have always taken ours home and buried them in the garden.
The last animal I had put to sleep was my rabbit Jack, he came home with me in my arms.


Hmm - I don't know. I've had all my dogs cremated and buried. I guess you could take the remains with you if you wanted to.

Obviously there's a cremation charge, but I don't know if there's a "disposal" charge if the Vet disposes of the remains.

I've also been there when it's been time for every one of my dogs to go on - that way I know they weren't afraid. I supposed if you shoot them it's the same. I don't want to think about it - honestly, I don't.

I am the same Judy, there is no way I could do it.
My mother thinks I am a bit strange because I was looking into the process of turning the dogs ashes into diamonds, I thought it was a nice thought, she leaned to the side of creepy.

LifeGem - Memorial Diamonds created from a lock of hair or cremated remains / ashes / cremation (http://www.lifegem.com/index.aspx?BType=GTxt&BAg=HCrem&gclid=CIbj_rf5takCFYkRHAodKBz4Mw)

I have just found a local shelter that will take my dog he will spend his last days there and it's a great place the animals seem happy although we will miss him its what needs to be done . Thanks again everyone who replied :) My dog has been a treasured part of my family and will be missed...

I have just found a local shelter that will take my dog he will spend his last days there and its a great place the animals seem happy although we will miss him its what needs to be done . Thanks again everyone who replied :) My dog has been a treasured part of my family and will be missed...

Then, you don't want to be with him when he passes ? I really couldn't handle that, giggles, not being there at the last.
Tick

I just wanted to find alternate place to bring my dog that was not as expensive as putting him to sleep which is expensive in my area a friend of mine had that done.. Thank you for your replies my question is over and I found a shelter that is going to take him . My dog was a great part of my family he will be missed..

Many many many people don't stay in the room when they are put down . Many people have to move and give there dogs away many people give there dogs and cats to shelters its happens everyday.. I have had my dog for a long time he lived a great life and will truly be missed .

"Righteous indignation" is what I think this question has evoked.

So you all have seen this scenario, in various forms, (which means 'not exactly this scenario') many times before, and have thus "made up your minds and just know what this person is saying and thinking and is otherwise 'all about'", based on volumes of prior experience? Wouldn't it be nice if you were treated similarly by your own vet or MD?

My unsolicited advice would be to treat every case as unique, at least until you have taken the time to
Prove inconclusively that it isn't. By then the problem should be better understood, and we can go about giving advice that may be better than what could be gotten from a neighbor, over the back fence, rather than become distracted as we seem to be here.

Embarrassed by? Maybe I should have said 'embarrassed for' instead. Sort of like going to a banquet and someone at the party is variously and occasionally expelling gas at both ends, apparently unknowingly.

Just because the OP seems to have solved the problem doesn't mean we were any considerable help in bringing it about.

Contrary to what constitutes evidence hereabouts, this isn't my first Rodeo, either, just a different arena in a different 'town'. I know what it's like being the new kid on the block, as well as having to deal with one. The team that plays with the same players all the time never has the opportunity to see a new perspective, and consequently continues to play the same old game.

What I have found about righteous indignation is it's understandable to be righteous, but not always so to be indignant about it.

Having said that, I will close, and move on to the next question.

Always a very painful experience - soon he will be running like the wind (again).

I have a very nice poem/prayer (not the usual Rainbow Bridge) which I will post if you would like to see it.

Paleophlatus, we read the question the way it was written, and we responded in kind. We can't do any more then that.

I gave alternatives, and hoped that the OP would find one that suited her.

I'm in the same boat right now. My 16 year old lab has been going downhill for a while now. We're at a standstill. I think it's time to put him down, and have thought so for over a year, but my husband doesn't. I cannot go against him, take our Indy to the vet behind his back. I know that he'd never forgive me, and I wouldn't blame him.

We've looked into the cost, and it's not cheap. The euathanasia is not that expensive, $160 is the lowest quote we've gotten. Disposing of the remains has been the cost that we've had to re-think. Most places charge over $300 for cremation. We'd like to keep the ashes, that's closer to $500. We thought about burying him in our yard. The bylaws state that the grave must be 7 feet deep. We hit 4 feet, got to clay, and now, without an auger, there's no way it's getting any deeper.

So we're stuck. Do we pay the $300 (the vet charges this much to dispose of the body) and not get his ashes, but still end up paying almost $500 (we both work full time, but we're on a tight budget), or do we hire an auger, get our Indy put to sleep, dig the hole, end up taking out part of our fence to get the auger in, and still end up paying up to $500.

There's no easy answer.

None of us have answered this question the way you seem to think we have. We have all answered it with only concern for the OP and her dog. That's all we can do.

Giggles, I too just had to pay to have my 13 year old dog put down. Where I live, and I am sure it is the same where you live, you have to pay by weight. The more drug they use, the higher price you pay. We were given 3 options with his body. Take them with us, which they really frowned upon, gave us copies of the by-laws, where you can and can't bury a dead animal, how deep etc... they could cremate him and give us the remains, or they "dispose" of him, also fairly expensive.

HOWEVER, when I was 19 I adopted a much older dog, she was 13 when I got her and had numerous health issues. About 4 years later after many very expensive vets bills, I had to foot the cost of her euthanasia. I could barely afford the cost of that, I begged and pleaded for a deal, which seems morbid and horrible, but it needed to be done. I didn't end up getting the deal, and I think I paid close to $250 JUST for the euthanasia. I had no money for the disposal and living in a large city was not allowed to take the body with me. I left the body there. Like Judy said, it was what it was. They billed me, threatened to take me to collections for the cost of the disposal, but in the end, they just gave up.

Horrible story I know. I'm just trying to say, that I know how you feel, I have, like many others here, have been in your exact situation. There aren't many other options besides the ones that have been listed. I'm sorry you had to go the route you did, but you did what you needed to do and what you could afford to do. My sympathies for your loss.

Bella.

Paleo, this is the wrong post to be saying this, but I am really insulted by your post. And I am tired of you saying things like this. You are basically saying we are cliquish and not welcoming to new comers. You have it totally wrong. We were all new once. Some people just come in with better attitudes than others. Some come in, acting like they know it all, disagree and insult constantly, and are just royal pains in the behind. We've all had our good and bad days, and knowing a lot of the members here personally, there is not one person I would ever consider insensitive or condescending. We are ALL huge animal lovers and only have the pets best interest in mind. Sometimes it takes being harsh and blunt to get the point across, but we aren't here to candy coat things, we're here to help the ANIMAL. Take us, or leave us, but please stop insulting the members! :(

Paleo, this is the wrong post to be saying this, but I am really insulted by your post. And I am tired of you saying things like this. You are basically saying we are cliquish and not welcoming to new comers. You have it totally wrong. We were all new once. Some people just come in with better attitudes than others. Some come in, acting like they know it all, disagree and insult constantly, and are just royal pains in the behind. We've all had our good and bad days, and knowing a lot of the members here personally, there is not one person I would ever consider insensitive or condescending. We are ALL huge animal lovers and only have the pets best interest in mind. Sometimes it takes being harsh and blunt to get the point across, but we aren't here to candy coat things, we're here to help the ANIMAL. Take us, or leave us, but please stop insulting the members!! :(

I have to spread the rep!

Bravo! Standing ovation. Hopefully he'll finally realize why we're all here. Maybe he'll also realize that we do know what we're talking about.

Embarrassed by? Maybe I should have said 'embarrassed for' instead. Sort of like going to a banquet and someone at the party is variously and occasionally expelling gas at both ends, apparently unknowingly.


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LOL, first time I have read anyone comparing us to a bunch of old farts. You are really something else, paleo. It is a given that you are very knowledge, have a knack with words, but if you don't like our apparent 'indignation', and you are entitled to your own opinion, I would suggest you couch your responses in generic terminology. No one can take offence that way.

We have all been newcomers and quite frankly some of us have been through the ringer for our advice on any given topic, but still around to give more; in other words we bend and go with the flow, and willing to give anyone their 'day in court'.

Tick

Well, tick, since we seem fated to air this for all to see, judging by the reader count, here goes. It was your treatment of the OP in your initial two posts who started me off in a critical attitude. Others here were more civil in their comments. I am crediting you with more tolerance of peoples shortcomings in your other, professional work with the public, as you relate in your profile. I know how to conduct myself in these help site settings, this one being but little different than many others of similar format. Similar personal experiences
Are the basis for most of the relevant opinions and advice given here, but I guess I buck a little when it's used as a reason to jump down someone's (the OP ) throat for not being able to handle their particular problem in an acceptable manner. Righteous indignation I called it. I saw it welling up in most of our answers. Nothing wrong with it, but (I appear to be out of space)

I simply justified the resulting answers to have been influenced by it. You suggest I couch my opinions in terms so bland that no one recognizes them. Why do that. What good is criticism if no one takes offense. Maybe some offense is needed to promote a little introspection? As to 'old farts'? Never mentioned age and I doubt I'm the youngest one here. I like you, tick, I think because you have a way of telling someone to go to hell and making them look forward to the trip. I think we could have good times here. I tried not to single anyone out in previous 'posts', but such was not to be the case, I guess.

Let me ask one question in closing, to everyone 'listening'. Does everyone involved in providing answers on site believe your deportment in responding to OPs is in the manner of professionalism and courtesy such that it reflects favorably on all other responders here on site, as well as AMHD ?

Paleo, you didn't give me any option to highlight your particular comment I am referring to by using the comment feature. Would prefer you to use the reply feature which is more comprhensive and anyone can chime in.

Thanks, you would like one of my 'trips'. I do admit we have 'gut' reactions here, or 'shoot first ask questions later', but you must realize it is out of love for animals that we are like that. As for professionalism, you know we are all volunteers here, so I think that that question is a mute point. I am a professional in my field as you were, but now retired I gather?

I am on other boards and I think my professionalism shows up there, as do many others, i.e. Juidy K Tee for one.

Visceral reactions were where pets are concerned and I don't apologize for that. I just could not would not envision someone wanting an 'alternative' to having your pet put down because she couldn't afford it. As Shaz said, you go out and find the money no matter what. I haven't always had the money in the past, however I do now, to give my elder pet a good sendoff and I am always there no matter what. However, this is the not issue of your questions and my reply.

If you stick around, as I said, you will get used to us and then the 'unprofessionalism' in the 'pet board' will not seem so spontaneous. We all have heard some horrendous stories here, paleo, if I could send you back to read some, then I would be happy and you would be satisfied with what you have read in this thread, but I cant, I have another job to do which is calling.

Everyone here has good hearts, good intentions, and I know you aren't disputing that, just the general attitude towards people who can't cope.

As I said before, I am glad you are here with your knowledge and your input is much appreciated.

Tick

Tick...

NOW you tell me... where were you when I needed you... (oh,. yea)

Well, If I had anything left to say, I would say it here, right, so people could throw bombs at it?

Maybe NEXT time

This is not helping the OP and should be closed. That having been said -

For someone who was moving on - you haven't moved on.

Read what I posted. You want to play games with words, you are welcome to do that. My objection was your criticizing of other members of this site. There is no need for you to apologize to anyone for anyone else's behavior. I thought I made that clear.

I guess I didn't.

If you want to play with words (and, yes, you are correct. No one else has posted that there 14 year old dog was falling down and they wanted a place to take care of it until it passed) over the word "similar," you are confusing (referring to yourself and other people who have responded) "young" and "juvenile."

As far as your passive aggressive stance, take it somewhere else. Try answers.com again.

Moderator!

Let me ask one question in closing, to everyone 'listening'. Does everyone involved in providing answers on site believe your deportment in responding to OPs is in the manner of professionalism and courtesy such that it reflects favorably on all other responders here on site, as well as AMHD ?

Paleo, you have to understand that most of the frequent posters in the pet forum have been here a long time. We've seen people that had pets with maggots growing in a wound. Their treatment, pressure washing the wound. :mad: We've seen people that give bleach to their dog hoping it will cure parvo. :eek: We've seen people that have done unspeakable things. More often then not the pets threads are about people that won't spend the money on their very sick pet. After a while it gets to you.

I can only speak for myself. I give everyone on this site a chance. But, I go by their posts to determine my response. In this thread the OP was pretty clear that she was looking for alternatives to ending her dogs life, alternatives that wouldn't cost anything.

There really aren't any, other then a bullet to the brain and a clandestine burial in the backyard, not digging to the appropriate depth, and not notifying the county you live in that you're burying a body in your yard. Pet burial costs, in most places. And there are procedures that must be followed. I can bury my pet in the yard, for a fee of $20, and the grave must be 7 feet deep. Good luck without an auger. :(

There is no such thing as a free euthanasia, which is why some of us were upset about the question. Even relinquishing the dog to the shelter usually costs money. I've never seen a shelter that doesn't have a fee to relinquish. Ours is between $50 and $100 depending on the animal.

As for the clique you mentioned. You're very wrong. I have made friends on this site. Some have been here many more years then I have, others are very new. I can tell you one truth, and the people on this site that I know, can all tell you this is the truth. If I don't agree with something being posted, I'll tell you, friend or not. I'm not one to judge a post by who posts it, I judge by the post, and I don't mince words. If you're new and you give wonderful advice, you'll know about it. If you're new and you give horrible advice, I'll let you know. If I know you and you give horrible advice, you'll know about it, no matter how I feel about you.

As for airing this on this thread, well, you started it.:rolleyes:

This is not helping the OP and should be closed.

I agree, and as such it will be closed.

If the OP wishes me to re-open it, she can PM me, or one of the moderators.

If anyone wants to discuss the issues presented here any further, start a thread in member discussions. :)

Thread closed.

Yikes, well I missed all the fun and games, thanks for closing Alty.

I was probably too blunt in my post, and I do apologize for it, it's a tough time for the OP but given their second post on the thread I do hope/believe they understood why we reacted the way we did.

If I make a post that you think is out of line or too harsh then please feel free to tell me in a private message or use the report feature at the top of a post.