The dim bulb from Alaska is at it again. She shouldn't be traveling around the country, she should be in summer school to make up for the 4th grade history lessons she missed. From her recent travels in the Boston area:

"We saw where Paul Revere hung out as a teenager, which was something new to learn. He who warned the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and by making sure that as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free and we were going to be armed.”

Wow...

Did I miss something? What dim bulb?

Well, if you copied and quoted at least this person can spell. That's highly unusual.

She won't back down either and admit she was mistaken, that she had the story wrong. She also said, "This Statue of Liberty was gifted to us by foreign leaders, really as a warning to us, it was a warning to us to stay unique and to stay exceptional from other countries. Certainly not to go down the path of other countries that adopted socialist policies."

Hello e:

Yeah, she said she was asked a "gotcha" question. You got to watch out for the lame stream media.. Here's the "gotcha" question:

“What have you seen so far today and what are you going to take away from your visit?”

Would you trust this woman with nuclear weapons?

excon

To tell you the truth ;I'd bet most Americans do not know the whole story of the ride ,as so much of it is legend .

Technically she is correct on 2 counts although her phraseology is a bit muddled.

The Brits were on the march to seize the Patriots arsenal at Concord Mass. So on that count she is correct .

The truth is that the 'dim bulb' was doubly correct because part of the little known history of the ride was that Revere was captured by the redcoats and did warn them that the militia knew of their movement to Concord and was prepared to meet them.
This is from his own account of the ride in a 1789 letter maintained by the Massachusetts Historical Society.

I observed a Wood at a Small distance, & made for that. When I got there, out Started Six officers, on Horse back,and orderd me to dismount;-one of them, who appeared to have the command, examined me, where I came from,& what my Name Was? I told him. it was Revere, he asked if it was Paul? I told him yes He asked me if I was an express? I answered in the afirmative. He demanded what time I left Boston? I told him; and aded, that their troops had catched aground in passing the River, and that There would be five hundred Americans there in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up. He imediately rode towards those who stoppd us, when all five of them came down upon a full gallop; one of them, whom I afterwards found to be Major Mitchel, of the 5th Regiment, Clapped his pistol to my head, called me by name, & told me he was going to ask me some questions, & if I did not give him true answers, he would blow my brains out. He then asked me similar questions to those above. He then orderd me to mount my Horse, after searching me for arms

Edit... most Americans get it wrong because poet Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's account is often what's taught.

There would be five hundred Americans there in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up. Hello tom:

No, he didn't WARN the British. He LIED to the British. He was one of OUR guys..

But, it's a nice Sarah spin. She actually DIDN'T know what you suggest that she did, and I really don't believe you think she did either..

Look. I LIKE Sarah Palin... IF, after she lost her bid to become VP, she COULD have gone on a crash course in history and world politics. She COULD have used the time to educate herself so that she'd BE relevant today. She DIDN'T. She WANTED to remain as dumb as a rock, and she DID.

Would you trust this woman with nukes??

excon

To tell you the truth ;I'd bet most Americans do not know the whole story of the ride ,as so much of it is legend .
Here's what my generation learned about the famous ride:

The Real Midnight Ride (http://www.kidsandhistory.com/paulvm/h2_real.html)

Yes his warning was mostly bluff ,and I did say her rhetoric was a bit muddled . As far as trust goes ,
I'd trust her as much as I trust the guy who sees fallen heros in the audience on Memorial Day ;whos reforms are intended to bring inefficien­cies to our health care system, who stated that 10,000 people died in a Kansas tornado that took 12 lives.
The problem is that politicians have made these type of statements for years . But now with the net everything goes viral.
So if that standard is to be applied to Palin;then it's fair to treat everyone's comments the same way .
You know and I know the point Palin was attempting to make as much as I know that the President doesn't really believe there are 57+ states .

Here's what my generation learned about the famous ride:

The Real Midnight Ride (http://www.kidsandhistory.com/paulvm/h2_real.html)

Pretty accurate summation. Many people are not aware that there were more than one rider ,and that Revere did not complete the mission. The fact is that shortly after he was released ,the first shot was fired ,and the Brits who captured him became nervous and concerned that his account of the Minutemen strength was correct. I'd bet by the time they made it back to Boston they thought they were opposed by 500 men .

Edit... here is link to Revere's account
http://www.americanrevolution.org/revere.html

I obviously don't even bother reading what Sarah Palin has to say - or else I would have known who was being discussed a very long time ago.

Pretty accurate summation.

edit ....here is link to Revere's account
Revere Speaks (http://www.americanrevolution.org/revere.html)
What I posted was from his own account, from his journal.

I obviously don't even bother reading what Sarah Palin has to say - or else I would have known who was being discussed a very long time ago.

I thought it was pretty clear from the title of the thread...

I obviously don't even bother reading what Sarah Palin has to say - or else I would have known who was being discussed a very long time ago.
I haven't read anything about it either. The weekend newscasts on all stations were full of it. Even Fox News was laughing.

Historians agree: Palin was right about Revere (http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1343353)

The thing is people are quick to jump at any chance to add to the perception that she's stupid. That is not the case . Recall she made the comment "Let's party like it's 1773 " ,and it went viral . Everyone thought she was speaking of 1776 Declaration of Independence when in fact she was speaking to the Tea Party movement and was referring to the date of the Boston Tea Party.

Hello:

More Palin spin... Where, in your historians account, are the bells and warning shots?? Toms too...

How come you guys skip over that bunch of crap?

Besides, if she was RIGHT, how come she blamed the "gotcha media"?

excon

Read it:


Sarah Palin yesterday insisted her claim at the Old North Church last week that Paul Revere “warned the British” during his famed 1775 ride — remarks that Democrats and the media roundly ridiculed — is actually historically accurate. And local historians are backing her up.

Palin prompted howls of partisan derision when she said on Boston’s Freedom Trail that Revere “warned the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.”

Palin insisted yesterday on Fox News Sunday she was right: “Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there. That, hey, you’re not going to succeed. You’re not going to take American arms.”

In fact, Revere’s own account of the ride in a 1798 letter seems to back up Palin’s claim. Revere describes how after his capture by British officers, he warned them “there would be five hundred Americans there in a short time for I had alarmed the Country all the way up.”

Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British, he did say to them, ‘Look, there is a mobilization going on that you’ll be confronting,’ and the British are aware as they’re marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That’s accurate.”

Patrick Leehey of the Paul Revere House said Revere was probably bluffing his British captors, but reluctantly conceded that it could be construed as Revere warning the British.

“I suppose you could say that,” Leehey said. “But I don’t know if that’s really what Mrs. Palin was referring to.”

McConville said he also is not convinced that Palin’s remarks reflect scholarship.

“I would call her lucky in her comments,” McConville said.

Meanwhile, the state’s Democratic Party held a thin blue line on the issue, insisting on mocking Palin despite a brief historical review of the matter. State party chairman John Walsh wise-cracked that the region welcomes all tourists, even those with “an alternative view of history.”

“If you believe he was riding through the countryside sending text messages and Tweets to the British, still come to Boston,” he said. “There are a lot of things to do and see.”

But Cornell law professor William Jacobson, who asserted last week that Palin was correct, linking to Revere quotes on his conservative blog Legalinsurrection.com, said Palin’s critics are the ones in need of a history lesson. “It seems to be a historical fact that this happened,” he said. “A lot of the criticism is unfair and made by people who are themselves ignorant of history.”

The facts are clear . Bells were ringing and gun shots were firing . You don't think she's saying that Revere was ringing church bells as he raced through the town... do you ?

Where, in your historians account, are the bells and warning shots?? Toms too...

Indeed the bells in Lexington did begin to ring.
I already linked to Revere's account of the ride . Here's another .

In the rider's wake there erupted the peeling of church bells, the beating of drums and the roar of gun shots - all announcing the danger and calling the local militias to action.
Battle at Lexington Green, 1775 (http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/lexington.htm)

Indeed the bells in Lexington did begin to ring.
Later. Not before and during the ride.

And ? That's the point of contention that makes her a "dim bulb " ;or the subject of ridicule by the media ? I bet Chris Wallace and the rest of these media experts didn't know a thing about the ride until now . And people wonder why she points a finger back at them over such minor nitpicking.

and ?
I think she opens her mouth before engaging her brain, and I'm not so sure she's real clear on facts.

She's pretty, vivacious, knows how to tap into those two assets, and is being called a kingmaker. Now, if she can get her act together and do it right, she and the GOP might surprise us all.

I've already shown that historians said she's right. Tom has shown she was right. What's left to say?

I've already shown that historians said she's right. Tom has shown she was right. What's left to say?
Good grief.

Good grief.

What? You said "I think she opens her mouth before engaging her brain, and I'm not so sure she's real clear on facts."

She was right, 'nuff said.

What? You said "I think she opens her mouth before engaging her brain, and I'm not so sure she's real clear on facts."

She was right, 'nuff said.
No, she wasn't.

Yes she was.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/palin-paul-revere-riding-warn-british-580325-2.html#post2817980

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/palin-paul-revere-riding-warn-british-580325-2.html#post2818096

What part of "Historians agree: Palin was right about Revere" do you not get?

What part of "Historians agree: Palin was right about Revere" do you not get?
That's your "proof" she was "right"? Oh, puhleeeese. Read Revere's journal (primary source, i.e. he was there).

Hello again,

Well if you ask me, I'll take a LIBRARIAN over a half-governor ANY time.

excon

That's your "proof" she was "right"? Oh, puhleeeese. Read Revere's journal (primary source, i.e., he was there).

Uh, did you miss where they cited his journal to back her up? Geez, did anyone read the damn article?

Uh, did you miss where they cited his journal to back her up? Geez, did anyone read the damn article?
The night of the ride? I read his journal. "About 10 o'clock, Dr. Warren Sent in a great haste for me, and begged that I would immediately Set off for Lexington, where Messrs. Hancock and Adams were..." At 12:05 a.m. he accomplished his mission to warn Hancock and Adams ("I found Messrs. Hancock and Adams at the Rev. Mr. Clark's; I told them my errand.... 12:30 a.m. Mr Daws came; we refreshid ourselves, and set off for Concord to secure the Stores, etc. there."). About 12:35, "We were overtaken by a young Doctor Prescot, whom we found to be a high Son of Liberty."

From the article --

Boston University history professor Brendan McConville said, “Basically when Paul Revere was stopped by the British [1 a.m. "I was about one hundred Rod ahead... in an Instant I was surrounded by four... the Doctor jumped his Horse over a low Stone wall, and got to Concord"], he did say to them, 'Look, there is a mobilization going on that you'll be confronting,' and the British are aware as they're marching down the countryside, they hear church bells ringing — she was right about that — and warning shots being fired. That's accurate.”

Patrick Leehey of the Paul Revere House said Revere was probably bluffing his British captors, but reluctantly conceded that it could be construed as Revere warning the British.

If this is the quality of american politicians all I can say is God help america because no one else can

"We saw where Paul Revere hung out as a teenager, which was something new to learn. He who warned the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and by making sure that as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free and we were going to be armed.”

Wow....



The quote is a grammatical nightmare. Shouldn't a politician be able to string a coherent sentence together?

Tut

It was off the cuff chatting that got caught on video . Maybe she should be more guarded and have a travelling teleprompter like the President carries around with him.

As I've already demonstrated ;without his TOTUS (teleprompter of the United States ) ,the President is a gaffe machine . The difference is that he gets a pass by the press ,and a slip of the tongue or an unscripted moment is not worthy of a week worth of coverage.

But that's the way it is here. Simple gaffes become permanently branded onto conservative public figures.Former VP Dan Quayle's misspell of the word potato is legendary. There were books written about President Bush's malaprops . But when VP Biden makes a gaffe ,It's just good ole Joe being Joe. He isn't really as stupid as he sounds.

It was off the cuff chatting that got caught on video . Maybe she should be more guarded and have a travelling teleprompter like the President carries around with him.

As I've already demonstrated ;without his TOTUS (teleprompter of the United States ) ,the President is a gaffe machine . The difference is that he gets a pass by the press ,and a slip of the tongue is not worthy of a week worth of coverage.

But that's the way it is here. Simple gaffes become permanently branded onto conservative public figures.Former VP Dan Quayle's misspell of the word potato is legendary. There were books written about President Bush's malaprops . But when VP Biden makes a gaffe ,It's just good ole Joe being Joe. He aint really as stupid as he sounds.



Hi Tom,

Off the cuff chatting ? One would hope a person would be more lucid away from the spot-light. Apparently not.

The president shouldn't be a gaff machine. Does this say something about the quality of people running for office?

I don't know about Dan Quayle's ability to spell. Do Latin Americans really speak Latin? If true, these types of 'errors of judgement' are not gaffs. They indicate something profound is afoot.

Tut

I wonder how you would fare if everything you uttered was caught on cell phone and turned into a Youtube video . Do we really want our pols so guarded that they just refuse these moments ?

That's what has happened with the President . His public appearances are carefully screened .

A reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle almost lost access for bringing a recording device to a fundraiser.
SF Chronicle video prompts White House threat | Full Page (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/04/28/MNA51J994T.DTL&ao=all)
Only when that became public did the White House reverse and deny it's decision.

The President's use of TOTUS has become legendary. During one address the teleprompter went faster than the President could speak . He stopped the speech completely until the script was rolled back.

I wonder how you would fare if everything you uttered was caught on cell phone and turned into a Youtube video . Do we really want our pols so guarded that they just refuse these moments ?


Hi Tom,

Good point.

President Joe Blow was a very intelligent man, unfortunately he was caught off guard on a number of occasions saying very derogatory and obscene things about this party members.

Fred Smith was a president who was know for the large number of gaffs he made. This reflected poorly on his intelligence.

In the end both presidents will be remembered as being incompetent politicians. No more or no less. Strange isn't it?

Tut

If you ask me, having a president who's been to 57 states is more embarrassing than anything Palin has said.

If you ask me, having a president who's been to 57 states is more embarrassing than anything Palin has said.



Give her time.

Tut

In the end both presidents will be remembered as being incompetent politicians. No more or no less. Strange isn't it?

It's a problem and it goes well beyond that. Lincoln made brilliant speeches . But his voice grated on the listener... being described as shrill, squeaking, piping, unpleasant . He would not fare well today in a television world . He was described as an ape by his opponents because of his appearance.

Today selecting a President is like picking a winner from the 'Idol ' shows.
Mitch Daniels... too short. Chris Christe... too fat .

Palin... too folksy .

There was a time in the past when that was considered a strength. Harry Truman ,generally regarded as a good to great President did not have a college education . Before he entered politics he was a haberdasher and a farmer . He ran the country on good instinct ,common sense and principles . But he steered the country through some of it's greatest challenges and contained Communist expansion before it consumed all of Europe and Asia .When he left office he was reviled and labelled with similar smears we hear today about certain politicians who don't sound smart. He left office with one of the lowest approval ratings a President has had. History has been much kinder to him.

The United States has had a very small field to choose from for more than 20 years. When did it become a prerequisite for a President to come from an Ivy League school ? The last 4 have been either Yale or Harvard or both . It lends credence to the charge that America is run by an elite class .

Palin.... too folksy .


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Now there you have a man or woman of the people is not welcome because what you are electing is a god

Palin.... too folksy .


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Now there you have it a man or woman of the people is not welcome because what you are electing is a god

It was off the cuff chatting that got caught on video . Maybe she should be more guarded and have a travelling teleprompter like the President carries around with him. Hello again, tom:

I don't know. There's a difference between a gaffe and being stupid... A REALLY BIG difference. I wonder why you can't see it. EVERYBODY around you can.

excon

There is no way a stupid person achieves as much as she has done. Stupid people do not become 2 term mayors;do not get appointed to lead the State Oil and Gas Committee,do not get elected Goveror based on their accomplishment in reforming the agency , do not get selected as a VP candidate ;do not attract a huge base of support ,do not attract a huge pool of campaign donations , and some of the best managers in politics .
I think such ad hominem attacks represent the threat she poses to her opponents. Now if you said she is parochial and not ready for prime time yet I'd accept that a debatable point. At least you have an argument when you claim she has not sufficiently expanded her base of knowledge to be considered a national leader.

But why don't you admit it . This country has increasingly drifted towards the elite politician . In the last 100 years ,only Reagan ,Truman ,and Harding have not been Ivy League or military Academy educated . Ridiculous that a nation founded on populism has gone that way.Even the losing candidates have generally come from such select stock. I would say that in the last century 2 of the 3 were great leaders . But we limit ourselves and our choices by having such a narrow view.
So when I hear complaints about existing leadership I'll tell you we will continue to get more of the same until we break out of this narrow view of what qualifies someone to represent the people.

Really Tom haven't you heard of the last man standing syndrome over there and it usually is a woman

There is no way a stupid person achieves as much as she has done. Hello again, tom:

You can fool some of the people some of the time. People LOVE her stance on social issues SOOO much, that they're willing to overlook her lack of gravitas on any OTHER issue. We can argue about my use of the word "stupid". How about ignorant, or uneducated?

I don't disagree about where our political "elite" come from... Term limits would eliminate that too. Then, we wouldn't have to reach sooo far down into mediocrity in order to find a person who's one of the regular people.

excon

People LOVE her stance on social issues SOOO much, that they're willing to overlook her lack of gravitas on any OTHER issue.
Nonsense ; She had a 90% approval rating throughout most of her term as governor because of her accomplishments ;not her stance on social issues. I think it's you who is hung up on her politics to a point that you overlook her achievements .

Wait I have more. This "too dumb"... has been a label that many Republicans have carried in my lifetime. So what's different this time ? Goldwater was too dumb ;Reagan was too dumb ;Bush was too dumb ;Quayle... and on and on it goes .She's just the next version of a tired narrative.
Edit... forgot Gerald Ford.

Wait I have more. This "too dumb" .... has been a label that many Republicans have carried in my lifetime. So what's different this time ? Goldwater was too dumb ;Reagan was too dumb ;Bush was too dumb ;Quayle ...and on and on it goes .She's just the next version of a tired narrative.
All this could be said of republicans characterizations of democrats. Look, you guys even have a Facebook page about it! Democrats Are Dumb - A Children's Guide | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Democrats-Are-Dumb-A-Childrens-Guide/104434119591143) and a book! Amazon.com: Democrats Are Dumb: A Children's Guide (9781432725174): Mark W Stephens: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Democrats-Are-Dumb-Childrens-Guide/dp/1432725173)

I think it's you who is hung up on her politics to a point that you overlook her achievements .Hello again, tom:

She's achieved a great deal. I don't begrudge her those. However, that says much about her political acumen. It says nothing about her intellect. In this great country of ours, even mediocre people CAN achieve.

But, let's forget for a minute about what she said... Let's talk about the WAY she said it. She doesn't SPEAK like an educated person... She RUINS the English language to the point that you can't quite figure out what she says. As president, what she SAYS could change the direction of the world - and NOT in a good way. She is UNABLE to utter a cogent thought. Wouldn't that worry you??

excon

Look, you guys even have a Facebook page about it!
I don't know who "you guys " are. It has certainly not reached the level of popular narrative . But maybe that's because the popular media have not permanently branded Dems as stupid or bumbling like they portrayed Ford ,Reagan ,Bush and Palin .

now there you have it a man or woman of the people is not welcome because what you are electing is a god

I've never viewed any president that way, but that's darn sure what all those Obama worshipers thought they were getting (http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/).

I don't know who "you guys " are. It has certainly not reached the level of popular narrative . But maybe that's because the popular media have not permanently branded Dems as stupid or bumbling like they portrayed Ford ,Reagan ,Bush and Palin .
What popular media? Examples?
Conservatives have a book on Amazon for sale that blatantly says "democrats are dumb". It doesn't get more popular than that.

I've never viewed any president that way, but that's darn sure what all those Obama worshipers thought they were getting (http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/).How many people believe that as per that website?

Ex ,ever hear the President in an unguarded moment ? If I took his mumbling fumbles seriously I'd think he wants to give an asthmatic child a breathalizer .

Like I said;Yale law graduate Gerald Ford was smeared as too dumb. Palin is just the most recent incarnation of the character .

How many people believe that as per that website?

Read the quotes, they're all legit.

Well he is a god, we all are.

There is no way a stupid person achieves as much as she has done. Stupid people do not become 2 term mayors;do not get appointed to lead the State Oil and Gas Committee,do not get elected Goveror based on their accomplishment in reforming the agency , do not get selected as a VP candidate ;do not attract a huge base of support ,do not attract a huge pool of campaign donations , and some of the best managers in politics .


Hi Tom,

That's exactly what stupid people do. It is also what intelligent people do.

That's the beauty of politics.

Tut

Well the stupid politician in question had an impressive executive record as governor. She took a scaple to the Alaska budget and whittled it down line by line. She reformed the Alaska energy sector and strong armed Exxon to actually drill on land they held leases on.She kicked the butts of the good ole boy network that was the political establishment of the state.

Ok quick quizz. Which 'too stupid to be President " politician said this ?

"Of the many responsibilities granted to a president by our Constitution, few are more serious or more consequential than selecting a Supreme Court justice. The members of our highest court are granted life tenure, often serving long after the presidents who appointed them. And they are charged with the vital task of applying principles put to paper more than 20 centuries ago to some of the most difficult questions of our time."

Or this one who made a joke about the handicapped...
"I bowled a 129. It's like - it was like the Special Olympics, or something."

Or this observation...

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."

Yup our beloved President... by the way.. he was reportedly a professor at the University of Chicago . Strange that none of his students have bothered to display or put on Ebay one of the papers he graded . Just an interesting thought given that with his biography ,especially in his academic years ,there should've been a treasure trove of published material by him besides 2 ghost written autobiographies.

Well the stupid politician in question had an impressive executive record as governor. She took a scaple to the Alaska budget and whittled it down line by line. She reformed the Alaska energy sector and strong armed Exxon to actually drill on land they held leases on.She kicked the butts of the good ole boy network that was the political establishment of the state.

Ok quick quizz. Which 'too stupid to be President " politician said this ?

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Hi Tom,

This has little to do with intelligence. It's called politics. All the above shows is that she has a determination to impose her political will.

I don't see how being a good politician has anything to do with intelligence. In exactly the same way I don't see how intelligence has anything to do with being a bad politician. You wrongly equate intelligence with success in politics.

Comparing Obama with Palin? I don't see the value of comparing rocks and stones. Shouldn't the voters be aiming a lot higher?

Tut

Comparing Obama with Palin? I don't see the value of comparing rocks and stones. Shouldn't the voters be aiming a lot higher?

Tut

A great southern perspective there Tut but you have to remember they don't have much to work with over there. Their party machines are no going to give them anyone truly smart, they like to maintan control. As to their candidates being Ivy League, wasn't Bush supposed to be a skull? It's who you know, not what you know

You wrongly equate intelligence with success in politics.
Not me... I'm not the one who's saying she's too stupid to be President.


As to their candidates being Ivy League, wasn't Bush supposed to be a skull? It's who you know, not what you know
Perhaps his legacy status helped him gain admission... I don't have proof either way . But he is a graduate of both Yale and Harvard Business School(MBA). That my friend was on merit.

From Walter Williams' column today:


There are a lot of things, large and small, that irk me. One of them is our tendency to evaluate a presidential candidate based on his intelligence or academic credentials. When Obama threw his hat in the ring, people thought he was articulate and smart and hailed his intellectual credentials. Just recently, when Newt Gingrich announced his candidacy, people hailed his intellectual credentials and smartness as well.

By contrast, the intellectual elite and mainstream media people see Sarah Palin as stupid, a loose cannon and not to be trusted with our nuclear arsenal. There was another presidential candidate who was also held to be stupid and not to be trusted with our nuclear arsenal who ultimately became president -- Ronald Reagan. I don't put much stock into whether a political leader is smart or not because, as George Orwell explained, "Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them."

All the evidence that I see is that academics and intellectuals have messed up the world. I challenge anyone to show me a major calamity that was engineered by a stupid, inarticulate person, but those caused by intelligent, articulate persons are too numerous to count, from the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao to Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Obama.

My vision of a good presidential candidate is a person with ordinary intelligence but great respect and love for our Constitution.

Yep, intellectuals have messed up the world.

Yep, intellectuals have messed up the world.Hello again, Steve:

So, the answer is to turn it over to a dunce... That's a good plan..

excon

I never said that. I don't want Palin in this election, I don't want Bachmann in this election. They aren't dummies, but the media and other progressives will beat them mercilessly and for that reason alone I find them to be liabilities to the cause of beating Obama. Unless of course they get a sympathy vote after things like this (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/07/comic-chris-titus-hints-at-assassinating-palin-if-she-gets-elected-president/#ixzz1Oh1PmXeP):


Sometimes there is a line that is crossed between what appropriate for comedy and what’s likely off limits. But did comic Christopher Titus cross that line?

In an appearance on Monday’s “The Adam Carolla Show” podcast, Titus may have waded into that territory. In responding to a question about former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s appearance on “Fox News Sunday,” in which Palin defended her interpretation of what happened during Paul Revere’s pre-Revolutionary War famous ride, Titus launched into a description of what he would do if Palin were elected.

“You know what man?” Titus said. “I am going to literally — if she gets elected president, I am going to hang out on the grassy knoll all the time, just loaded and ready — because you know what? It’s for my country. It’s for my country. If I got to sacrifice myself, it’s for my country.”

Where's the outrage?

By the way, WaPo-ABC News poll shows Romney ahead of Obama 49-46 among registered voters.

After listening to TPAW give his supply side economic speech yesterday ;I pretty sure I'm on his bandwagon.

Text of Pawlenty's Speech on His Economic Plan - Washington Wire - WSJ (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/06/07/text-of-pawlentys-speech-on-his-economic-plan/)

Hello again:

I don't know WHERE this discussion is going... Sarah Palin, along with our resident right wingers, said she was RIGHT, but the question was a gotcha... But, if she was RIGHT, she's the one who GOT the press.

Plus, in your article above, you seem to be saying, yes, she's stupid, but look at what all the smart people have done...

So, I don't know if you AGREE that she's an idiot, or you now think that idiots should get their chance...

excon

After listening to TPAW give his supply side economic speech yesterday ;I pretty sure I'm on his bandwagon.

Text of Pawlenty’s Speech on His Economic Plan - Washington Wire - WSJ (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/06/07/text-of-pawlentys-speech-on-his-economic-plan/)
Oh yea, that'll work... not!
ANALYSIS: Pawlenty's Tax Plan Would Cost $7.8 Trillion Over Ten Years, Triple The Size Of Bush Tax Cuts | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/06/07/238929/analysis-pawlentys-tax-plan-cost/)

ANALYSIS: Pawlenty’s Tax Plan Would Cost $7.8 Trillion Over Ten Years, Triple The Size Of Bush Tax Cuts

I can't think of one reason I'd take 'Think Progress ' seriously.

I can't think of one reason I'd take 'Think Progress ' seriously.
Oh the hypocrisy of the conservatives on this board. LOL!

Oh the hypocrisy of the conservatives on this board. LOL!

Good thing you can amuse yourself, you make no sense to the rest of us.

I thought you'd selectively forget. :)
Are you and tom the same person?

I thought you'd selectively forget. :)

No, since you're the official board monitor of approved sources you think it's hypocritical for tom to discredit a source. There's a difference between discrediting a source here and there and trying to discredit every source.


Are you and tom the same person?


What a stupid question.

No, since you're the official board monitor of approved sources
Apparently I'm not: Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - Palin: Paul Revere was riding to warn the British! (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/2819517-post68.html)


I can't think of one reason I'd take 'Think Progress ' seriously.

If you can't counter the content just say so.

No reason to... they don't understand a growth policy or how tax cuts grow the economy and increase government revenues... and they never will .

No reason to .... they don't understand a growth policy or how tax cuts grow the economy and increase government revenues ...and they never will .They explain their methods and show their sources (which are the IRS, CBO and Tax Policy Center). Did you even read the article?

How could they get a CBO ,IRS and Tax Policy Center assessment of the Pawlenty plan when he only made the speech yesterday ?

how could they get a CBO ,IRS and Tax Policy Center assessment of the Pawlenty plan when he only made the speech yesterday ?
They used their data for their research and extrapolation. Really? You didn't get that? It says it right in the article.


Which part of it made you a believer? You can cite your sources as well if you wish.

Again ;they have no clue... they are fixated on progressive tax rates .

TPAW's plan is for a two tier flat tax . They call it a tax cut for the rich when in fact the biggest benefits goes to those in the lower tier.
Like I said ;they have no clue about growth. They think the economy is a zero sum game .Their assumptions are all wrong . Expansion of the economy is the goal . Government revenues increase as the economy grows . So their claim of loss of gvt. Revenue is only true if the result isn't expansion . Got it ?

So where is PAWS plan to expand the economy since it is crucial for his plan to succeed that he does?

You're making a huge assumption that the economy will expand when it's much safer these days to plan for a stagnant economy.

Its so easy to state high hopes and good intentions in a broad way, but the devil is in the details, and T-Paw wasn't all that great as a govenor of Minnesota.


Tim Pawlenty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Pawlenty)


Former Minnesota Governor Arne Carlson, an Independent Republican, criticized Pawlenty's budget strategy: he borrowed more than $1 billion from the tobacco settlement (money set aside for heath care), borrowed more than $1.4 billion from K-12 education funding, borrowed more than $400 [million][64] from the Health Care Access Fund for low-income families, among other short-term shifts in accounting. The result was a $5 billion deficit, the seventh largest in the United States.[65] Minnesota property taxes rose $2.5 billion, more than the previous 16 years combined, and Moody's lowered the state's bond rating.[66]

DNC Attacks Pawlenty’s Record : Roll Call Politics (http://www.rollcall.com/news/dnc_attacks_tim_pawlenty_record-205860-1.html)

NationalJournal.com - Is Pawlenty Telling the Truth About His Record? - Monday, May 23, 2011 (http://nationaljournal.com/politics/is-pawlenty-telling-the-truth-about-his-record--20110523)

But it’s also true that in his last year in office, the governor balanced the books by using $2.3 billion in federal stimulus money and what the nonpartisan Minnesota Taxpayers Association called “budgetary duct tape”—shifting $1.4 billion in school-aid payments; delaying $152 million in sales and corporate income-tax refunds; raiding $124 million from state funds meant for other purposes; and resorting to other accounting tricks.

You think the Dems ain't smacking their chops on T-Paw??

You think the Dems ain't smacking their chops on T-Paw???

What do they have to run on?

You think the Dems ain't smacking their chops on T-Paw??

Perhaps ;but they are soiling their pants on the prospect of a Palin run.

perhaps ;but they are soiling their pants on the prospect of a Palin run.I know, it's exciting isn't it!

Hello:

If unemployment doesn't ratchet down, Obama can be beaten, even by a fool named Palin. The Republicans LOVE to spread fear, and THAT possibility scares the hell out of me.

excon

What do they have to run on?

Pragmatic common sense short, and long term solutions, in the face of rabble rousing right wing scare tactics, and blatant and obstructionism, and over reach to send the nation into submission to directions of corporate power brokers.


Quote by Tom,
Perhaps ;but they are soiling their pants on the prospect of a Palin run.

Aren't YOU??


Quote by Excon,
Obama can be beaten, even by a fool named Palin.

Even republicans ain't that crazy!!

pragmatic common sense short, and long term solutions, in the face of rabble rousing right wing scare tactics, and blatant and obstructionism, and over reach to send the nation into submission to directions of corporate power brokers.

Lol!

BREAKING NEWS: Media having an orgasm over Palin's emails. (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/06/10/breaking-news-still-no-news-whatsoever-from-palin-e-mails-yet/)

Now they can get over Weinergate and cover something of crucial importance.

Brian Williams : "today some are talking about the bad economic news, a double dip recession...but we are not going to talk about that, we will stay focused on what is newsworthy...So here is Andrea Mitchell to discuss in a 15 minute segment why Sarah Palin uses 'e' before 'i' even with 'c' in her emails...shocking evidence Palin actually uses "you betcha" in her written emails....Also, we have exclusive coverage on how Palin uses her official Governor's email address to tell Todd Palin she will be late getting home and to start heating up last night's left overs..."

I bet in all her emails you won't see one crotch shot.

Brian Williams : "today some are talking about the bad economic news, a double dip recession...but we are not going to talk about that, we will stay focused on what is newsworthy...So here is Andrea Mitchell to discuss in a 15 minute segment why Sarah Palin uses 'e' before 'i' even with 'c' in her emails...shocking evidence Palin actually uses "you betcha" in her written emails....Also, we have exclusive coverage on how Palin uses her official Governor's email address to tell Todd Palin she will be late getting home and to start heating up last night's left overs..."

I bet in all her emails you won't see one crotch shot.



What else is new? We already suspect she struggles when it comes to constructing a sentence.

Does this exclude her from being successful in politics? No.

Should this exclude her from politics? No.

Is personal morality really an issue in politics?

Tut

What else is new? We already suspect she struggles when it comes to constructing a sentence.

Does this exclude her from being successful in politics? No.

Should this exclude her from politics? No.

Tut

Tut ;I should've has the parody font on when I wrote that. Williams didn't really report that... It is made up.


Is personal morality really an issue in politics?


Personal morality is important... if you can't govern yourself how can you govern others ? Look no further than that fool who would be French President who is in house arrest here in NY for assault of the hotel maid . He's the type of person you are going to entrust your country with ?

That goes to my premise about a well informed electorate. Its not the fault of the politician for being a boob, its our fault for electing them.

When we change, they will change.

Tut ;I should've has the parody font on when I wrote that. Williams didn't really report that... It is made up.


Hi Tom,

Thanks for the bum steer. I think that is an American saying.

Tut

You can always rely on Tom

Hey I don't feel like reading 93 posts, can anyone sum it up as to where this has progreess

Hello Padre:

Here's a recap... Sarah Palin is dumb.. Our resident right wingers don't think so.

That's all. You didn't miss anything.

excon

hey I don't feel like reading 93 posts, can anyone sum it up as to where this has progreessTo be honest none of the threads in Current Events ever actually progress. :)

To be honest none of the threads in Current Events ever actually progress. :)

Where would you like them to progress too?

Where would you like them to progress too?Don't know, ask Fr Chuck, he asked.

I'll sum it up . The Palin critics have nothing . Her account of the Revere ride has been confirmed by historians who are familiar with the event. The essential critique given is that she did not give a narrative like a college professor .She instead gave an enthusiastic ,off the cuff ,appreciative accounting that admittedly was structured to make a political point . That is used as evidence that she is "dumb" .

The search through thousands of her emails that were released have shown that she was a hard working and effective Governor.

The search through thousands of her emails that were released have shown that she was a hard working and effective Governor.That'll be hard to prove considering how heavily redacted they are. But then again there are less emails than planned since she quit halfway through her mandate.

Palin-Bachman 2012!

I'll sum it up . The Palin critics have nothing . [

Tom a little too simplistic. Even if Palin was right this time although it is a twisted view of the conventional history, she still has the same ability that Bush had of speaking with both feet wedged in her mouth.

The essential critique given is that she did not give a narrative like a college professor .She instead gave an enthusiastic ,off the cuff ,appreciative accounting that admittedly was structured to make a political point . That is used as evidence that she is "dumb" .

Hi Tom,

I am assuming you are making reference to my posts. The conclusion you are drawing about her lack of intelligence is yours. I would be appreciative if you can show me the post where I said she was dumb.

I think I said it was not unreasonable to expect a politician to be coherent.

Tut

TUT you aren't the only one who responded . That she doesn't speak eligantly ;she's guilty as charged . It is a meaningless assertion that has nothing to do with intelligence.

Clete. Before he became President GW Bush was a much better and more relaxed public speaker . He became guarded in his replies because he was constantly put on the defensive by the braying pack of jackels of the press corps. They have now shifted their focus on their next victim.

I think I said it was not unreasonable to expect a politician to be coherent.

Without a teleprompter.

Without a teleprompter.or notes written on their hand.

Originally Posted by tomder55
I'll sum it up . The Palin critics have nothing .

She is a quitter, but who wouldn't be if there was more money to make. And less hassle. I doubt she could afford a mansion in Arizona, or fueling a huge bus for family vacation, on a Governors salary. She may not know much about anything else, but the woman can count, and that's a fact.

So she quit her job as governor and is still immensely successful. Why is everyone dumping on such a successful woman? Seems rather sexist to me.

She is a quitter, but who wouldn't be if there was more money to make. And less hassle. I doubt she could afford a mansion in Arizona, or fueling a huge bus for family vacation, on a Governors salary. She may not know much about anything else, but the woman can count, and thats a fact.Yup, at the first opportunity at making more money she'll bail. It's not about public service to her, it's about the almighty dollar.

Lol The President stayed in the Senate long enough to take a bathroom break. Had he gone through a 10th of the media scrutiny that Palin has endured perhaps he wouldn't be President .

Had he gone through a 10th of the media scrutiny that Palin has endured perhaps he wouldn't be President .Hello again, tom:

Bwa, ha ha ha ha...


excon

So she quit her job as governor and is still immensely successful. Why is everyone dumping on such a successful woman? Seems rather sexist to me.

There is nothing sexist about disagreeing with any one that runs their mouth to the public in front of a TV camera, or microphone. Put it in the public, money or no money, some will agree, some won't. Being successful, doesn't make you right, or wrong for that matter. Nor does your gender.

Hello again,

Of course, there ARE 57 states... I have historical experts who say so...

excon

talaniman, she's been dumped on from the time she got the VP nod for everything from not aborting Trig, to not being a stay-at-home mom, her wardrobe, looks, figure, you name it, by the very people that allege to support women. You called her a quitter, which has NOTHING to do with her opinions. She's successful in spite of everyone's attempts to destroy her, and I'd say that makes he pretty smart and an excellent example for women.

She's successful in spite of everyone's attempts to destroy her, and I'd say that makes he pretty smart and an excellent example for women.Hello again, Steve:

She's treated like a messiah by her followers.. You and tom are a perfect example of that. You support her NO MATTER what. Those are the people who buy her books, pay to hear her speak, see her movies, and watch her on TV. Because she capitalizes on them doesn't make her smart. It makes her a businesswoman.

I APPLAUD her business acumen. I'm proud that she's an accomplished woman. I'm THRILLED she had Trig. But, she doesn't know sh*t about this country or the world, and doesn't want to learn, either, because it'll make her an elite. In fact, if she KNEW stuff, her constituency would ABANDON her. They LIKE her because she's dumb. Nobody who KNOWS anything would ever buy her stuff.

excon

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/e/J/2/palin-messiah.jpg

She's treated like a messiah by her followers.. You and tom are a perfect example of that. You support her NO MATTER what. Those are the people who buy her books, pay to hear her speak, see her movies, and watch her on TV. Because she capitalizes on them doesn't make her smart. It makes her a businesswoman.

I've never treated her like a messiah, don't believe tom has either. I don't want her to run for prez, and I'm a little tired of her and the obsessive coverage (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/palin-paul-revere-riding-warn-british-580325-9.html#post2821348) quite frankly. The media and her other detractors are far more obsessed than any of her supporters could ever be as their stalking her during her bus trip and the feeding frenzy over her emails show. But the point of this thread is Palin's stupidity over a comment in which she was vindicated. Are you done with it or do you guys still feel the need to change the subject and trash her for other reasons?

I've never treated her like a messiah, don't believe tom has either. I don't want her to run for prez, and I'm a little tired of her and the obsessive coverage (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/palin-paul-revere-riding-warn-british-580325-9.html#post2821348) quite frankly. The media and her other detractors are far more obsessed than any of her supporters could ever be as their stalking her during her bus trip and the feeding frenzy over her emails show. But the point of this thread is Palin's stupidity over a comment in which she was vindicated. Are you done with it or do you guys still feel the need to change the subject and trash her for other reasons?
You always have the option to ignore this thread and move on to matters that are more important to you.

You called her a quitter, which has NOTHING to do with her opinions.

You're right, nothing to do with her opinions, but she is a quitter because of her actions, and she did quit. Nothing personal, just a statement of FACT!

the obsessive coverage
But she invites and enjoys the obsessive coverage.

But she invites and enjoys the obsessive coverage.That's a very good point. Very similar to actors' love/hate relationship with the paparazzi. Palin needs the coverage to make more money, as do actors.

I made the point in another posting today that Sec Gates should've resigned rather than compromise his position on something vital .

There is nothing wrong with resigning for a good reason . Palin had a good reason. State resourses were being wasted on frivoulous ethics complaints against her. State resources were being wasted in the pursuit by activitist in filing these charges.She became in essence a victim of the law she championed and the people who would abuse the law for a cheap political witch hunt..

The fact she resigned is completely irrelevant to the op . The emails show that while she was Governor she was competent .The proof that the charges were frivoulous is in the fact that none of them went anywhere . Again ;her emails are proving beyond a doubt she ran a clean and ethical office in her tenure.

The emails show that while she was Governor she was competent .The proof that the charges were frivoulous is in the fact that none of them went anywhere . Again ;her emails are proving beyond a doubt she ran a clean and ethical office in her tenure.
Nope, she did state business using a Yahoo email address to hide whatever it is she had to hide.

Why should she cost Alaska a bunch of money and go through the political agravations of frivilous ethics charges, when she could just quit, and make bookoo bucks.

She may have a fire in her belly, but not when it comes to fighting for what she believes. That's why she only goes to friendly places, makes money, and won't run for president. Its easier throwing rocks, than dodging them.


I made the point in another posting today that Sec Gates should've resigned rather than compromise his position on something vital .

He served his country, and we are grateful for his service, Don't compare what Sarah does to what Gates has done, they are not equal in any way.

Just saying.

But she invites and enjoys the obsessive coverage.

I said nothing about her enjoying it, I responded to the charge of treating her as a messiah (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/palin-paul-revere-riding-warn-british-580325-12.html#post2823317), which I don't and never have. I did however, point out who really is obsessed with her (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/palin-paul-revere-riding-warn-british-580325-12.html#post2823350) and that is the media and her detractors.

This thread is just another example. She's been vindicated about the OP but that hasn't stopped people from trashing her anyway.

that hasn't stopped people from trashing her anyway.
I guess some people don't like her. Politics is a popularity contest after all. Look at the threads in Current Events over the last two years - Obama bashing trumps all other subjects.

Don't compare what Sarah does to what Gates has done, they are not equal in any way.


Why not ? Gates not standing up for his convictions may have cost US lives. Perhaps resignation would've been the honorable thing to do if he had fundamental disagreements with the policies .

I have good news for you we had a back woods red head here with political pretensions, had quite a following too, but they tend to run out of steam after a while and the odd scandal, so be of good cheer it will all be over soon

TUT you aren't the only one who responded . That she doesn't speak eligantly ;she's guilty as charged . It is a meaningless assertion that has nothing to do with intelligence.
.

Hi Tom,

I think there is an important difference between a person speaking elegantly and someone speaking coherently.


Her original quote is non compos mentis. The way the sentence is constructed it is difficult to understand how anyone can say the quote is historically accurate. In fact, there is a good argument for saying the quote says absolutely nothing. In other words, it is just a jumble of words.

Tut

Hi Tom,

I think there is an important difference between a person speaking elegantly and someone speaking coherently.


Her original quote is non compos mentis. The way the sentence is constructed it is difficult to understand how anyone can say the quote is historically accurate. In fact, there is a good argument for saying the quote says absolutely nothing. In other words, it is just a jumble of words.

Tut

So Tut if I read you right you are saying it was lost in translation, must be that Twang that does it

Why not ? Gates not standing up for his convictions may have cost US lives. Perhaps resignation would've been the honorable thing to do if he had fundamental disagreements with the policies .The fact he didn't resign, but stayed speaks volumes on his convictions.

So Tut if I read you right you are saying it was lost in translation, must be that Twang that does it


Hi Clete,


Could be.

I am not sure how people can interpret Palin in terms of historical accuracy. I am somewhat surprised the majority seem to regard this side of the debate as a dead issue. I think the OP was right the first time.

Palin is confused about history. This doesn't men she lacks intelligence. Most people are confused about history.

Tut

.

Palin is confused about history. This doesn't men she lacks intelligence. Most people are confused about history.

Tut

Yes, Tut, tend to agree with you here. I for one like her, but I am Canadian so don't have to put with your presidency issue should she run. Although her lack of historical knowledge is a little bothering to me, being on the other side, if she becomes president.


Tick

Although her lack of historical knowledge is a little bothering to me, Hello tick:

The problem with her LACK of a historical foundation, is "Those who cannot remember the past (or never knew it in the first place) are condemned to repeat it".

That was true when George Santayana, wrote those words, and it's true now.

excon

yes, Tut, tend to agree with you here. I for one like her, but I am Canadian so dont have to put with your presidency issue should she run. Although her lack of historical knowledge is a little bothering to me, being on the other side, if she becomes president.


tick


Hi Tickle,

Actually, I don't have to spend my time voting for anyone and everyone. Like you I live under the Westminster system of government.

Tut

Hello tick:

The problem with her LACK of a historical foundation, is "Those who cannot remember the past (or never knew it in the first place) are condemned to repeat it".

That was true when George Santayana, wrote those words, and it's true now.

excon

So you are saying Ex that Palin is destined to ride to warn the British, will that be on a honkin great harley?

What ex is trying to say is the same thing the media is now saying out loud, conservatives are just stupid "wingnuts."

Wingnut debt ceiling demands (http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/14/news/economy/debt_ceiling_demands/?section=money_latest)

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/cnn-wingnut.jpg

Could someone tell CNN that Gingrich and Palin won't be voting on the debt ceiling? If Fox had printed a similar headline, the source monitors here would be having a fit over their bias and how they aren't really a news organization.

LOL, CNN using "Wingnut". Brutal.

LOL, CNN using "Wingnut". Brutal.

Yes her ears don't stick out

I sure hope Mitt Romney gets the GOP nomination, he seems to be the most intelligent and least wacky and controversial than anyone else.

I sure hope Mitt Romney gets the GOP nomination, he seems to be the most intelligent and least wacky and controversial than anyone else.

It would swiftly bring Mormomism into perspective, going from one minority to another

I sure hope Mitt Romney gets the GOP nomination, he seems to be the most intelligent and least wacky and controversial than anyone else.

You mean he sounds more Democrat than the others.. . agreed .

Hello again, tom:

So you agree that the race is filled with whackos??

excon

I agree that's the way the left perceives it. Obviously the "least wacky " candidate would be the one who created Romneycare before Obamacare . Pawlenty is right... it's 'Obamney' Care

I agree that's the way the left perceives it. Hello again, tom:

It IS a matter of perception, isn't it? But you've got your perceptions, too.

You do view Obama, and say, Weiner, or Pelosi and your favorite Shumer, as wacko's too, do you not? I think you do.

excon

Nahh Weiner's not wacko... he is an obsessive compulsive pervert .

nahh Weiner's not wacko... he is an obsessive compulsive pervert .
No, he's a narcissist.

He is a narcissistic obsessive compulsive pervert

While I find what Weiner did perverted, if every women he was sending things to did not care, wanted them, and was doing sexual chats with him, he may have issues, but was it right to force him out of office ? If it was all consenting adults, where is his right to be a sick puppy if he wants to be

One of those poor young ladies he sent photos to, was dancing here in Atlanta last week, she now gets twice her normal rate of pay to appear and dance naked.

Well Chuck as they say it's an ill wind that blows nobody any good, but you are wrong, Weiner should be held accountable because he chose to be in public life and be an example and he failed. From your training Chuck you should know that what is on the leaders comes down on the followers. Do you want that in your life, of course, you don't?

If it was all consenting adults, where is his right to be a sick puppy if he wants to be
That remains to be seen . They've already investigated his "chats " with a 17 year old.

I think it was crucial that he got dumped . It's not a matter of it being private... he's a public servant . Let's just suppose that he didn't actually screw up and post his pix to everyone in his twitter account ,and he was able to serve for years doing this .

But some foreign intelligence agency discovered his activities and decided to use it against him . Do you think he would then be upfront about it ? No way ! He stonewalled for over a week until the proof became undeniable.
More likely his compromise of public trust would lead to decisions that are not in the public interest .

That is why character is important in elected officials .We hire them and there is a level of behavior we should demand from our elected officials .

That is why character is important in elected officials .We hire them and there is a level of behavior we should demand from our elected officials .Hello again, tom:

Vitter?? You can demand his departure anytime. There's room in the space below this one. He BROKE the law. He actually HAD sex. Yet, he remains in power. I guess it's OK if you're a Republican. Vitter did his thing LONG ago. If it miffed you so much, how come you didn't post EVERY day about it? Where was your outrage? I pay attention to these boards. I don't remember seeing any from you. I guess it's OK if you're a Republican.

excon

Already addressed, ex. The character with which each man responded (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/weinergate-579675-5.html#post2820199). If Weiner had just been up front instead of lying about it he might have caught a break, too. But what's funny here is not that Republicans are defending Vitter, but that Democrats bailed on Weiner instead of staunchly defending him as they did Clinton for perjuring himself.

Hello again, Steve:

Weiner lied - he must go. Vitter was sorry - he can stay...

BULLS**T!

So, if all the people in prison were sorry, you'd say let 'em out? No, you wouldn't. Sorry only counts if you're a Republican...

excon

I made it clear regarding Vitter . I'll say it again . He should go .

A better comparison to Vitter would be Spitzer. Both patronized prostitutes illegally . Spitzer resigned . So should Vitter .

Hello again, Steve:

Weiner lied - he must go. Vitter was sorry - he can stay...

I just contrasted their responses. Weiner lied and weaseled and people demanded he resign. Vitter accepted responsibility and got a pass. Personally, I think all three should have a show together on CNN.

Well Palin quits her bus tour:

Sarah Palin baffles and frustrates fans by quitting bus tour - War Room - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/06/22/palin_quits)

RealClearPolitics - Palin Bus Tour Takes Extended Pit Stop (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/06/22/palin_bus_tour_takes_extended_pit_stop__110313.htm l)

Guess she didn't ask their permission when she would begin /end the tour or what the agenda would be.
BOOO HOOO .
Alaska is a great place to be this time of year especially as the family also works the salmon season.

guess she didn't ask their permission when she would begin /end the tour or what the agenda would be. What does even mean: "asking their permission"?

From the article:

aides had drafted preliminary itineraries that would have taken her through the Midwest and Southeast at some point this month. But those travel blueprints are now in limbo, RCP has learned, as Palin and her family have reverted to the friendly confines of summertime Alaska

She's a quitter all right. It's salmon season!

They ran the numbers and she probably will make more money not on finishing the bus tour. She has a DVD to hock, she laways has some merchandise to sell to the masses. Palin has no intention of ever doing any real work again in her life. She's going to milk her publicity for everything she can, but never get caught up enough in something that she might have to follow through.

What does even mean: "asking their permission"?

From the article:


She's a quitter alright. It's salmon season!

They ran the numbers and she probably will make more money not on finishing the bus tour. She has a DVD to hock, she laways has some merchandise to sell to the masses. Palin has no intention of ever doing any real work again in her life. She's going to milk her publicity for everything she can, but never get caught up enough in something that she might have to follow through.

I understand from news reports that she bought a house for her family in Arizona.

Tick

Yea I saw that too. It'd be different if she was doing her little tour on her own money but she's travelling on donations. Nice little paid holiday for the family I guess.

Yep, she continues to frustrate the media more than anything. Poor souls, didn't know where she was headed, caused them to break the law, having to endure an experience described as "harrowing, a rolling menace careening up the East Coast in hot pursuit."

Whaaa.

Then again there is no urgency for her to tour Iowa now. She's not like the other candidates who have to get name recognition . She already has her organization if she decides to pull the trigger . She may decide to continue to build her IOUs by acting as king maker .

She has time on her side for both 2012 and 2016 .
This idea that one has to be an announced candidate a year and a half before the election is insane anyway. The Iowa caucus is not until Feb 6 and the NH primary isn't until March 5 . She could take the whole summer off ; announce around Labor Day ;and still campaign a half year before the 1st contest.

The other thing is that she takes so much cr@p from the media ,maybe her family doesn't want to deal with it. Already Mitch Daniels has bowed out over similar considerations .

Meanwhile I love the idea that she keeps the baying hounds guessing . So much theater . It keeps this board going too . Over 160 replys to this one posting!! Lol .

You don't know why she ended it and neither do I ;and she is chosing not to say. Perhaps she decided a bus tour though areas of the midwest with severe flooding was not a good idea.

BTW ,you can mock the salmon season all you want. But there are provisions for use it or lose it regarding the territory designated as a license holder of fishing rights at Bristol Bay .The Palins hold a commercial license in a coveted restricted fishing area .

Meanwhile I love the idea that she keeps the baying hounds guessing . So much theater . It keeps this board going too . Over 160 replys to this one posting !!! lol .

You'd think all these people that hate her but can't stop talking about her might eventually figure out they've been outsmarted by this supposedly dumb woman.

You'd think all these people that hate her but can't stop talking about her might eventually figure out they've been outsmarted by this supposedly dumb woman.
Kind of like all the Obama threads you guys have started? At least the Palin stuff is all in one thread. How about you keep the Obama stuff in one thread?

Sarah, who??

Apaprently the media is making this up.

Sarah Palin Confirms Tour Will Go National (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/06/sarah-palin-confirms-tour-will-go-national.html)

June 01, 2011 10:12 AM


ABC News' Sheila Marikar (@SheilaYM) reports:

Sarah Palin's northeast tour took to the water this morning as she hit Liberty Island today with her parents and youngest daughter, Piper. They were accompanied by approximately 10 park rangers and police escorts as they made their way to the Statue of Liberty.

It's a scene we'll likely be seeing for some time to come.

Palin confirmed that she's going to Boston after New York and that after the northeast, she'll go back to Alaska before re-launching the tour - called the "One Nation Tour," after all - on the West Coast.

She told ABC News about her plans after she leaves the northeast:

"Go back to Alaska - in fact today, Willow [the middle Palin daughter] already had to get back to work so she had to leave - go back to Alaska, come back on the trail again, and take the tour west as the summer progresses."

Asked if she'll go all over the country, Palin said, "that is our plan, our tentative plan, anyway."

They can't even keep up with her when she tells them what she's going to do.

Hello again,

Palin KNOWS Bachman would kick her butt. They BOTH need the same constituency/Tea Party.. As bonkers as Bachman is, she's at least, a REAL candidate.

excon

Good find Steve

Hello again, tom:

Thanks.

Steve

Hello again,

Palin KNOWS Bachman would kick her butt. They BOTH need the same constituency/Tea Party.. As bonkers as Bachman is, she's at least, a REAL candidate.

excon

I think if Rick Perry gets in you won't see Palin in the race.
You are right that Bachmann has the left nervous.So long as Palin is in the forefront she runs cover for Bachmann. But that's changing since her strong performance in the debate .

Matt Taibee of Rolling Stone has her in his cross hairs.
Michele Bachmann's Holy War | Rolling Stone Politics (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622)

He will be salivating over her with Olbermann tonight on Current TV .

Bachmann has the left nervous.
Huh? The Left is hoping she will get the nomination.

You are right that Bachmann has the left nervous.

He will be salivating over her with Olbermann tonight on Current TV .Hello again, tom:

When I said she's a REAL candidate, I meant that she has an organization, she knows how to raise money, she HAS experience, and she's a religious zealot which will appeal to early primary voters.. But, I certainly didn't mean the left feared her. Not only is Taibee salivating about her candidacy, the entire left wing is...

excon

PS> I'm bummed. I don't get Current TV.. I'm going to miss the worst. I don't even get HBO in HD. Can you believe it? This IS Seattle, after all.

I don't either . Cablevision has not added it . It is on satellite Direct TV and Dish network.

I'm sure all the clips will be on YouTube.

Yeah I get it Palin stupid... Bachmann bonkers .

You got to love the way the press thinks.. they've been touting the candidacy of Huntsman because they know another moderate Mormon ,former Governor candidate ,will weaken Romney.

Huntsman is the only REAL candidate, all the rest are wacko nut jobs except Romney, he is a privileged rich boy that only big business can love, who is taking his just due, because its his turn. That's how Republicans operate, and we have had the lineup for the whole freaking next 20 years.

As for Sarah, She will never get 20% of the vote ever because, as crazy as repubs are, nobody is THAT crazy.

PS> I'm bummed. I don't get Current TV.. I'm gonna miss the worst. I don't even get HBO in HD. Can you believe it? This IS Seattle, after all.

You know what has amused me the last few days? Olby advertising on Fox News.

Huntsman is the flavor of the month. Lat month it was Daniels.

I like the way he conducted himself as his time as Ambassador to China ended. I thought his stroll with the jasmine protesters was the right action to take.

I'll vote for him over the President if it came to it... but for now ,I'm not looking for the next "no label " candidate.

It won't be the self proclaimed prophet Rick Perry. Oh and Daniels had to stay home because of the lawsuits over his legislation, and the money he owes for leasing the toll road, he agreed to make up lost revenue, when it floods or they don't make enough money off the truckers. Perry tried to do the same thing, but Texans whapped him over the head for that one, and trying to make preteen girls get cancer shots.That's just a start to what he is about.

The repubs are running out of flavor. But its early yet. Got your popcorn, and comfortable chair? This will be good.

I'm bummed. I don't get Current TV.. I'm gonna miss the worst. I don't even get HBO in HD. Can you believe it? This IS Seattle, after all.

You might be able to watch them on the net.

Current TV: Official Site (http://current.com/)

Hello again, dad:

Nahhh... Thanks, but there's just bits and pieces over there. They need to stream it... This IS the 21st Century, after all.

excon

This IS the 21st Century, after all.

excon

Now Ex how could you say that? You know the 21st century hasn't got beyond the Maryland border. Hey I noticed in BO's little withdrawal speech that he put Pakistan on notice. Won't tolerate a safehaven for terrorists. Now that is 21st century rhetoric. Isn't that the justification for invading Afghanistan and maybe Iraq. Could be those troops are coming home via Pakistan

Oh and Daniels had to stay home because of the lawsuits over his legislation

Nahh ,he knew the minute he got in, the rabid press would start the drip... drip.. drip.. inuendo and speculations about his marriage and family life .

Yeah that too! He has a lot of baggage for the press to unpack.

Yeah that too!! He has a lot of baggage for the press to unpack.

Now if they would just start unpacking Obama's baggage.

What makes you think they haven't. He is the most watched, commented on, and criticized of any President in history. Even more than the last one.

Heck, he even has baggage the right wing gives him to carry.

Nah, the majority of the media gives Obama a pass, and did you miss the Bush years?

Isn't nothing there. They had problems ;his wife left him ;they reconciled and lived happy ever after .

His wife and family didn't want to get dragged through the mud over a painful past that is under the bridge .

The same people who were willing to give Bill Clintoon a pass for having oral sex in the White House with and intern ;and elected him when his infidelities were well known ,was prepared to slime the Daniels family and drag their children into it like they did to the Palin children.

Because of that one of the most eligible Republican candidates was eliminated before the campaign began.

Yesterday the President told the 10th Mountain Division that he'd given the Medal of Honor to a lving member of the group when in fact he'd given it posthumously .

This was no slip of the tongue or off the cuff comment . It was presumably the end product of a carefully crafted address.
This wasn't him idiotically saying he doesn't speak good Australian ;or speaking of the “Navy Corpse Man” ;or having too much beer at the 'Cinco de Cuatro' celebration.

Who is proof reading his public comments ? Who on his staff is responsible for it ? Who is responsible for factual errors like Hirohito signed the surrender to MacArthur ;or that Texas has traditionally leaned Republican ; or his uncle liberating Auschwitz ,or his parents meeting at a civil rights march in Selma ?

The prevailing opinon by some here has been that Palin is disqualified because her public statements have gaffes and occasional dysfluency . Does the President's factual errors and mistatements, which carry much more weight ,get a pass,when what the President says becomes defacto policy ?

Could it be that he is so guarded that his statements do not go through the same perusal that most Presidents have from their staff ? Does his speeches get distributed around the WH for comment ;or is he insulated among a Nixonian shrinking inner circle ?
During the 2008 campaign his message and image was polished . The problem is that he has not been able to keep up the Corinthian column façade . Over time the truth has been revealed .

Yes that is incredibly damning evidence. Good research!

Nah, the majority of the media gives Obama a pass, Hello again, Steve:

And, the one's who don't can't find anything??

excon

What does giving him a pass mean, ex? They're excusing the man in spite of what they know.

Why are you mad at the "lame stream media", when you can switch to Fox News, or Rush Limbaugh, and get the FACTS?

What does giving him a pass mean, ex? They're excusing the man in spite of what they know.Hello again, Steve:

There's those who give him a pass and there's those who DON'T.. I was talking about the one's who DON'T. The ones who are digging as fast as they can - you know, like Brietbart and his minions... How come THEY can't find anything??

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Look... I don't think he's a very good president... But I also don't think he's a Muslim plant, or a commie plant, or a whatever you dodo's think he is.

excon

Mad? Just pointing out the facts doesn't mean one is mad, and I don't use the term "lame stream media." Fox may have the cable ratings but they're a drop in the media bucket. We're talking 3-4 million for FNC prime time to 24 million for the 3 networks, and that doesn't include the other cable news networks and print media. Perspective.

There's those who give him a pass and there's those who DON'T.. I was talking about the one's who DON'T. The ones who are digging as fast as they can - you know, like Brietbart and his minions... How come THEY can't find anything????

Can't find anything? If they did would it be reported? No. Past performance is indicative of future results.

If they did would it be reported? Hello Steve:

No, it wouldn't. Brietbart, Hannity and the Limp one are ALL in Obama's pocket...

DUDE!

excon

Past performance is indicative of future results.Correct, sadly:
The Failed Corporate Record of George W. Bush (http://alaric3rh.home.sprynet.com/science/bceo.html)

Fox is too busy vetting the Republican candidates, to determine which one is acceptable to them . They are not acceptable unless they pass the Charles krauthammer/Chris Wallace seal of approval .

Enough Already.

Any dangers of acting like ADULTS..

Any chance of allowing legitimate, verifiable, factual posts stand? Or is it too politically incorrect to repeat the news?

Speaking of dim bulbs, and I don't mean CFL's, while using illegal aliens as a prop to push the DREAM act, Sen. **** Durbin pointed out that one of them could be our future president. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/29/durbin_illegal_alien_could_be_our_future_president .html)


"When I look around this room, I see America's future. Our doctors, our teachers, our nurses, our engineers, our scientists, our soldiers, our Congressman, our Senators and maybe our President."

I guess he's unfamiliar with our constitution.

"maybe our President"

There has been talk over the years of changing the Constitution so that someone born outside the US could run for President. If I remember correctly, the discussion at one time had floated around Schwarzenegger.

Yeah there was talk, but that has nothing to do with Durbin being an idiot.

Yeah there was talk, but that has nothing to do with Durbin being an idiot.
How so? He's usually a pretty sharp cookie. Or is it his political party choice that makes him an idiot?

Nah, things like his gitmo comments, threatening people with the "hottest ring in hell" for criticizing Michelle Obama and telling illegal aliens they could one day be president make him an idiot.