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QLP
Apr 12, 2011, 01:38 PM
So it's now a level 7, although people are still arguing about just how serious it actually is:

BBC News - Japan: Nuclear crisis raised to Chernobyl level (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13045341)

So, just what are we supposed to eat? :

Europeans warned to avoid drinking milk or eating vegetables due to high radiation levels (http://www.naturalnews.com/032050_radioactive_food_nuclear_radiation.html)

Curlyben
Apr 12, 2011, 01:42 PM
I'll add some tempering thoughts to this one,

Mummy, mummy, there's a nuclear monster! ? The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/12/fukushima_ffs/)

Notice the url ;)

QLP
Apr 12, 2011, 01:49 PM
I'll add some tempering thoughts to this one,

Mummy, mummy, there's a nuclear monster! ? The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/12/fukushima_ffs/)

Notice the url ;)

Ok, you can have a good laugh at this question Ben, but what IS a url? :o I did look it up but didn't understand a word of the explanation...

Curlyben
Apr 12, 2011, 01:54 PM
URL = Universal Resource Locator = Address ;)

It's the bit on the end that raise a rye smile..

QLP
Apr 12, 2011, 01:59 PM
URL = Universal Resource Locator = Address ;)

It's the bit on the end that raise a rye smile ..

Oh, ffs on your link?

Wondergirl
Apr 12, 2011, 02:25 PM
It's the bit on the end that raise a rye smile ..
My smile was whole wheat. ;)

Curlyben
Apr 12, 2011, 02:26 PM
It's the bit on the end that raise a rye smile ..
My smile was whole wheat. ;)

Should have known you'd pick that one up ;)

Wondergirl
Apr 12, 2011, 02:28 PM
Should of known you'd pick that one up ;)
It's wry, by the way. :eek:

Curlyben
Apr 12, 2011, 02:28 PM
TomatoEs, tomatoes :p

Wondergirl
Apr 12, 2011, 02:30 PM
tomatoes, tomatos :p
e!!

Curlyben
Apr 12, 2011, 02:31 PM
tomatoes, tomatos :p
e!!
Eggszachary ;)

Wondergirl
Apr 12, 2011, 02:33 PM
Whew!!

tomder55
Apr 12, 2011, 05:06 PM
Yes this is bad . You know it's bad when a French agency warns us of the dangers of eating cheese.

However to put it in perspective the emissions from your typical coal burning power plant (according to Scientific American)

.. is actually more radioactive than that generated by their nuclear counterparts. In fact, the fly ash emitted by a power plant—a by-product from burning coal for electricity—carries into the surrounding environment 100 times more radiation than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of energy.
Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste: Scientific American (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste)

Last summer the US nuclear regulatory Administration fined a coal fired plant for exposing their workers to high doses of cesium 137.
Coal Plant Owner Is Fined Over Cesium Radiation Exposure - NYTimes.com (http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/and-you-thought-radiation-was-a-problem-for-nuclear-plants/)

As you know ;coal is burned to convert to electricity all over the world ,and in many nations there is no control on the emissions.

The unanswered question is what is the real effect of low level radiation exposure ? Let's face the facts . We are exposed to it on a daily basis with the products we routinely use.


For 60 years, the hunt has been on for handfuls of "excess" cancers in populations subjected to unnatural doses of radiation. The findings have been more politically vexing than scientifically satisfying...


Meeting in Vienna in 1986, experts expressed a hope that Chernobyl would finally resolve the debate. "In 20 to 30 years' time we're going to know whether the linear dose hypothesis [is correct]," predicted one, "at least for leukemia and maybe for lung cancer."

It was not to be. For the record, aside from a serious uptick in curable thyroid cancer among those exposed as children (which faster action at the time would have avoided), a U.N. monitoring project finds "no scientific evidence of increases in overall cancer incidence or mortality rates" among residents of the Chernobyl region. But that hasn't stopped other studies from predicting tens of thousands of "excess" cancer deaths across Europe over many decades based on the same linear, no-threshold modeling that governments everywhere have adopted as a regulatory standard.

Jenkins, Jr.: Coal Is More Dangerous Than Nuclear - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703385404576258522889597188.html)

The WSJ article goes on to restate the dangers inherent in the burning of coal (which as been an energy source for over 100 years ) .

Start with deaths that aren't the product of statistical imagination: Thousands more die in coal mining accidents each year (especially in China) than have been killed in all nuclear-related accidents since the beginning of time. What's more, coal plants spew toxins like mercury and other metals—along with more radioactive thorium and uranium than a nuclear plant—

Ann Coulter was mocked last month for pointing out that there is a hypothesis in the scientific community called radiation hormesis,that surmises that low levels of radiation exposure helps the human immune system protect the body from diseases related to radiation exposure.
I for one hope they are right.

excon
Apr 14, 2011, 06:42 AM
Ann Coulter was mocked last month Hello tom:

Ann Coulter should be mocked at every opportunity, and even some occasions when there isn't an opportunity.

excon

NeedKarma
Apr 14, 2011, 07:22 AM
Hello tom:

Ann Coulter should be mocked at every opportunity, and even some occasions when there isn't an opportunity.

excon

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tomder55
Apr 15, 2011, 04:40 AM
Sorry QLP . I tried to turn this into a serious discussion.

NeedKarma
Apr 15, 2011, 04:45 AM
sorry QLP . I tried to turn this into a serious discussion.
You mean you're *not* going to post the standings of your rotisserie league in this thread? Thanks.

tomder55
Apr 15, 2011, 04:47 AM
Again ,your contribution is insignificant and irrelevant .

NeedKarma
Apr 15, 2011, 04:57 AM
Again ,your contribution is insignificant and irrelevent .
You're such a nice person.But you don't seem to like others pointing out inconsistencies.

tomder55
Apr 15, 2011, 05:00 AM
All you do is snipe . Rarely do you add anything to a conversation. I'll gladly reply and exchange ideas when you add something useful to a discussion .

NeedKarma
Apr 15, 2011, 05:09 AM
And rotisserie league scores are good additions to conversations? I'm trying to learn here.
And just because you don't like my opinions doesn't mean I have to keep them to myself. You're not going to bully me around - sorry to burst your bubble sport.

tomder55
Apr 15, 2011, 06:58 AM
OK another attempt at posting something relevant

During the round-the-clock coverage of the nuclear drama, the specter of Chernobyl has been raised repeatedly. It is worth noting that the worst nuclear disaster in history directly caused only 31 fatalities. The World Health Organization estimates that 4,000 deaths could be linked to the disaster over 70 years, whereas the OECD projects a range of 9,000-33,000 deaths during this period.

That is substantial. But consider that, according to the OECD, every year nearly one million people die from fine-particle outdoor air pollution. Yet this massive death toll provokes no discernible fear in the developed world, and receives virtually no news coverage.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/lomborg71/English

paraclete
Apr 18, 2011, 06:08 AM
Put it down to the media, they can shout disaster, outrage but particulate pollution? It's not something that happens here, is it?

tomder55
Apr 18, 2011, 06:29 AM
82% of Aussie power generation comes from coal fired plants.

paraclete
Apr 18, 2011, 03:46 PM
Hi Tom I was not speaking about my country but a general attitude throughout the world that what ever is happening it isn't happening in my backyard.

Our coal fired plants are properly regulated and the only sign of their operation is a steam cloud, this is dramatic contrast to some parts of the world like China, also a place which has a high concentration of coal fired plants, and which has a high degree of particulate pollution