I am well aware of its connotations, just as I was in China. Humility is sometimes useful. What makes you think BO is a black man? He is what we call a coconut and making that statement he clearly demonstrated on which side of the line he stands

Well, we have other words for it. But the fact he can spew that and then have the balls to ask for civility, is like the criminal that had the nerve to walk into a police station and shoot it and the police in it up, then cry about police brutality during his arrest, when he isn't treated like a celebrity at a traffic stop.

I'm glad that it is you and not me who has the choice.

Another Democrat telling the egregious, inexcusable lie that Republicans want people to die.

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“For a moment, I want to get back to what was asked about the issue on the floor today that Mr. Hoyer addressed,” Pelosi said. “He made a point and I want to emphasize it. Under this bill, when the Republicans vote for this bill today, they will be voting to say that women can die on the floor and health care providers do not have to intervene if this bill is passed. It’s just appalling.”

No Mimi, women's lives will still be saved, but Republicans don't want to force doctors and nurses to murder babies like you do.

Another Democrat telling the egregious, inexcusable lie that Republicans want people to die.

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No Mimi, womens lives will still be saved, but Republicans don't want to force doctors and nurses to murder babies like you do.


Hi Speech,

I think I have come in on the middle. So this is some sort of Bill relating to abortion? Can you fill me in on some details please.

Tut

In a nutshell Tut, since 1976 federal funds have been barred from paying for abortion except in limited circumstances such as the life and health of the mother or cases of rape and incest. Obamacare opened the door for changing that and Republicans vowed to close that loophole as part of their campaign promises. This bill did that and also protects the right of providers to not be forced to perform abortions of convenience against their conscience.

It passed the House 251-170 with 15 Democrats voting in favor, in spite of Pelosi's asinine rant.

I'm amazed everyone in the House has managed enough self control to NOT knock that witches teeth out.

I doubt I could muster enough for 5 minutes.

The truth about this bill is it's the 3rd to be brought that tries to expand on the law that prohibits federal dollars to be spent on abortions. This one allows hospitals mostly Catholic, to refuse treatment for woman who need a certain procedure when they have a distressed pregnancy. The current law allows them to stabilize and transport them. The new law allows them to refuse treatment.

The new law affects woman who may be miscarriage, And who want to keep their child but cannot carry it to full term. Just because its labeled as an abortion its neither voluntary, nor is it planned, or wanted by the mother.

It also prohibits anyone who is purchasing private insurance and gets tax credits for having that insurance from buying any policy that can be used for not only abortions, but other female reproductive procedures that can terminate a pregnancy for whatever reason.

So much for choices under the right wings draconian over reach into woman's rights to choices, and care as they basically have intervened between a doctor/patient relationship, and taken the basics of life itself and given hospitals the right to allow you to die to appease religious zealotry. Don't you guys watch Cspan??

What's disturbing is these are the things the house is undertaking but the debate about jobs was abruptly canceled.

That's what has people upset, and what has ME upset is the pandering of the right wing deciding who lives and who dies.

Again you righties gobble it up when they say abortions. The proper term is miscarriage, but then you would get excited over that would you?

Like the right wing movement to ban contraceptives all over the country.

Conservatives Look to Ban Contraceptives (http://mydd.com/2009/9/13/conservatives-look-to-ban-contraceptives)

Mississippi to pass law that may ban contraceptives (http://www.debatepolitics.com/abortion/109580-mississippi-pass-law-may-ban-contraceptives.html)


I KNOW you righties mean well, but are carried away by your feelings, and conveniently skip over the FACTS... yet again.

So what's wrong with them paying for their own abortions, they were capable of concieving the kid... many of those are for booty calls from people too cheap or lazy to use condoms.

And the government should not more be able to force any doctor to perform a procedure that's against his religious beliefs, than they should force Aetheists to attend Catholic Church and take mass weekly.

Now if its fine to force doctors to do things against their beliefs, then I'm all for making all prisoners eat pork products three times a day. Because they have no right to religious objections either.

The truth about this bill is it's the 3rd to be brought that tries to expand on the law that prohibits federal dollars to be spent on abortions.

Expands? Looks to me to be a mirror of what we already have.


(c) Limitation on Abortion Funding-

(1) IN GENERAL- No funds authorized or appropriated by this Act (or an amendment made by this Act), including credits applied toward qualified health plans under section 36B of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 or cost-sharing reductions under section 1402 of this Act, may be used to pay for any abortion or to cover any part of the costs of any health plan that includes coverage of abortion, except--

`(A) if the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest; or

`(B) in the case where a pregnant female suffers from a physical disorder, physical injury, or physical illness that would, as certified by a physician, place the female in danger of death unless an abortion is performed, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.

Life and health of the mother and rape and incest exceptions just as I said.


This one allows hospitals mostly Catholic, to refuse treatment for woman who need a certain procedure when they have a distressed pregnancy. The current law allows them to stabilize and transport them. The new law allows them to refuse treatment.

So you believe Catholic hospitals should be FORCED to violate their conscience and kill babies? Dude, that's just wrong. What the bill does is prevent government agencies from discriminating against facilities that receive government funds because they refuse to perform induced abortions. What in God's name makes you think that facilities that are "pro-life" in nature would watch women die? That's just fear mongering, tal and wholly inconsistent with what it means to be pro-life.


(g) Nondiscrimination on Abortion-

`(1) NONDISCRIMINATION- A Federal agency or program, and any State or local government that receives Federal financial assistance under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act), may not subject any institutional or individual health care entity to discrimination, or require any health plan created or regulated under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) to subject any institutional or individual health care entity to discrimination, on the basis that the health care entity refuses to--

`(A) undergo training in the performance of induced abortions;

`(B) require or provide such training;

`(C) perform, participate in, provide coverage of, or pay for induced abortions; or

`(D) provide referrals for such training or such abortions.

What "other" procedures anyway? Terminating a pregnancy is terminating a pregnancy.


So much for choices under the right wings draconian over reach into woman's rights to choices, and care as they basically have intervened between a doctor/patient relationship, and taken the basics of life itself and given hospitals the right to allow you to die to appease religious zealotry. Don't you guys watch Cspan??

Again, you think the woman deserves a choice, which she has, but the provider has no choice? Dude? And this idea that health care providers are just going to let people die is just stupid, and one doesn't have to be a religious zealot to understand a baby is a life, too.


What's disturbing is these are the things the house is undertaking but the debate about jobs was abruptly canceled.

Another lie, the House passed trade agreements with Colombia, Panama, and South Korea the day before. They've been working on jobs bills all week.


That's what has people upset, and what has ME upset is the pandering of the right wing deciding who lives and who dies.


Dude, do you even think what you say? What are voluntary, induced abortions if not deciding who lives and who dies? I will actually defer to Ron Paul on this one:

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Again you righties gobble it up when they say abortions. The proper term is miscarriage, but then you would get excited over that would you?

NO, it isn't. A miscarriage (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002458/) is a "SPONTANEOUS loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy." An abortion can be spontaneous or induced, and it's the induced abortions for the sake of convenience that are at issue here.


Like the right wing movement to ban contraceptives all over the country

There is no movement to ban contraceptives all over the country. I don't even know who this fringe group is, so enough with the silly season.



I KNOW you righties mean well, but are carried away by your feelings, and conveniently skip over the FACTS... yet again.

Well, I just schooled you on the facts so it isn't us who are factually challenged.

What should a catholic hospital do when a female in BIRTH DISTRESS comes to there doors? By law they have to stabilize, and at least transport. The new law says they can say sorry, you are on your own. They don't have to transport.

Miscarriages are always a danger to females, and to deny them care, which can be life threatening is UNACCEPTABLE to any hospital, no matter the religious affiliation, particularly, when time is of the essence.

If you don't understand the needs of female health concerns, say so!!

But to your point, we already have a law that covers these things, then why are republicans going over it again?

Trade agreements are fine for future jobs, but what about NOW!! Why are you guys stalling!

Nice dodge, tal. Still wrong but nice dodge.

Why are you guys stalling!

Nice try . Speaker Bonehead gave the President a piece of his mind over the President's lies about the Repub efforts.


The speaker, who last spoke with the president three weeks ago, reminded Obama that the House GOP released a jobs plan in May and that his leadership team has spoken with Obama and his staff about the plan “on numerous occasions.”

“The speaker told the president that when he sent his jobs plan to the Hill, Republicans pledged to give it consideration, and have done so,” the release stated. “The president was reminded of a memo written by GOP leaders outlining the specific areas where they believe common ground can be found. The Speaker also noted that a number of the president’s ideas have already been acted on in the House, including a veterans hiring bill, trade agreements, and a three percent withholding bill approved by the Ways & Means Committee today that will be considered on the House floor this month.”



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