Well weeks have gone by and still Daffy is allowed to kill civilians with excuses being made that his forces are dug in in civilian areas. The answer predator drones we all know how good they are at targeting forces in civilian areas. When will we get real about this and realise protecting civilians means troops on the ground?

We ? The President is developing a doctrine here .
'Lead kinectic military operations from behind.'


Nonetheless, Obama may be moving toward something resembling a doctrine. One of his advisers described the President’s actions in Libya as “leading from behind.” That’s not a slogan designed for signs at the 2012 Democratic Convention, but it does accurately describe the balance that Obama now seems to be finding. It’s a different definition of leadership than America is known for, and it comes from two unspoken beliefs: that the relative power of the U.S. is declining, as rivals like China rise, and that the U.S. is reviled in many parts of the world. Pursuing our interests and spreading our ideals thus requires stealth and modesty as well as military strength. “It’s so at odds with the John Wayne expectation for what America is in the world,” the adviser said. “But it’s necessary for shepherding us through this phase.”
How the Arab Spring remade Obama's foreign policy : The New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/02/110502fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=1)

He sees his role as hastening and managing America's decline.

we ? The President is developing a doctrine here .



Yes his doctrine is do nothing decisive otherwise known as do nothing

[QUOTE=tomder55;2783929]we ? The President is developing a doctrine here .

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Yes his doctrine is do nothing decisive otherwise known as do nothing

Actually doing nothing would be a far better doctrine than the "make it up as you go" doctrine they have been using.

Really I thought he had switched to doing nothing as distinct from bombing the crap out of everything

He's doing what the "international community " and his Valkyrie trio tell him to do.

"Valkyrie" can we expect an assassination attempt any time soon?

"Valkyrie" can we expect an assassination attempt any time soon?

Maybe . Lindsey Graham suggested that very thing this week .

But my reference is about his 'Amazon' advisors Evita Clintoon, Samantha Power, and Susan Rice .

Ah I hear Wagner playing and don't you just love the smell of naplam in the morning. It occurred to me the other day that the solution to the problem in Libya is aircav and assault heliocopters. Now that is a unique US capability, I wonder why it hasn't occurred to BO. They don't need to actually touch ground.

Oh I remember now the last time they used heliocopters in Africa they did actually touch ground

Speaking of the international community, ironically Syria is about to join the UN Human Rights Council while rolling tanks out against their own people.

UN insanity (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2011/0426/Amid-brutal-crackdown-Syria-poised-to-join-UN-Human-Rights-Council)

Speaking of the international community, ironically Syria is about to join the UN Human Rights Council while rolling tanks out against their own people.

UN insanity (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2011/0426/Amid-brutal-crackdown-Syria-poised-to-join-UN-Human-Rights-Council)

Yes ironic how they let the scumbags in isn't it?

Speaking of the international community, ironically Syria is about to join the UN Human Rights Council while rolling tanks out against their own people.

UN insanity (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2011/0426/Amid-brutal-crackdown-Syria-poised-to-join-UN-Human-Rights-Council)

Doesn't Surprise me at all. They have a long history of doing stupid and inappropriate things.

Just heard someone put a well placed rocket where it ought to go but as usual, missed, you think they would have learned something in Iraq, but no. The dear leader is never where you expect him to be, after all he might be mad but he isn't stupid..

It seems you can threaten the US all you like but you can't threaten Italy, are the Romans making a come back?

And as usual, officials claimed they weren't targeting Gaddafi.

Obama must be throwing another tantrum that everyone and everything isn't doing performing exactly as he demands.

You think BO did this, no he's letting his henchmen take the blame

He had been there . He got lucky again. He was making a socal call at the time of the strike.

Disgusting that he allowed his grandchildren to stay at a place ,operating as a command and control bunker ,that he knew would probably be hit. He used his gradchildren as human shields .
That's the type of sub-human we are dealing with.

I'm switching the name for this bird from daffy to dodo, he is about to become extinct

Libya seems to have dropped off everyone's radar screen after the spectacular in Pakistan last week but far more important than Obama stroking his ego is the loss of life in Libya.

It has been reported that that there have been a number of sinkings of refugee boats and one has to ask, what the hell are the various powers surrounding Libya doing about it? SQUATT?
Aid agencies: Refugee boat carrying hundreds sank off Libyan coast - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/aid_agencies_refugee_boat_carrying_hundreds_sank_o ff_libyan_coast/2011/05/09/AF3SHraG_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage)

What exactly can they do about a refugee boat sinking ? This happened also when the communist North Vietnamese took over South Vietnam . In that case they fled the country after it was over-run having lived their lives in their homes throughout decades of war.

Are you suggesting that Daffy is sinking refugee boats ? I've seen no evidence of that . The article you link to suggests it was an over-crowded boat.

The answer to the rest of your question is that both Egypt and Tunisia have refugee camps on their respective borders with Libya.

Are you suggesting that Daffy is sinking refugee boats ? I've seen no evidence of that . The article you link to suggests it was an over-crowded boat.

The answer to the rest of your question is that both Egypt and Tunisia have refugee camps on their respective borders with Libya.

Dodo might be sinking them but no I don't expect there is a vacuum or a radar blackout in the mediterranian so those naval vessels know where boats are and the conditions yet a number of vessels have been lost. Obviously the refugee camps are inadequate and the people smugglers are doing a roaring trade

Tom you asked if I was suggesting Dodo was sinking boats, the reports are he is doing the next best thing, forcing refugees on to boats after stealing their money. Only in the arab world (Islamic) do we find behaviour like this. Must be a reason for it. It is nothing short of Nazism or perhaps they are financing the flight of the Dodo since he hasn't been seen since the bombing. A true coward

It's amazing how a current topic can quickly fade from the public interest. Daffy the Dodo defies us all and is still in Tripoli making trouble despite the best efforts of the allsoround nations typified by NATO to bomb him out. All I can say is; if a real war starts, God help us all

All I can say is; if a real war starts, God help us all
Without America leading the effort ,the western world is basically neutered . Yet you still say the US should bring our military down to western standards.

Not much happening here. The President has gone so far as to ignore even the basic provisions of the 'War Powers Act';even though he cited the Act as the legal basis of his ability to conduct military activities . He was supposed to obtain Congressional authorization 60 days after he took America into war... oops I mean “time-limited, scope-limited kinetic military action.”

He says that he doesn't need their approval because of the limited scope of US participation ,and that it is a NATO led operation. I don't see his case . The Act doesn't mention either scope of operation or only wars that the US leads . The US is probably lending very critical and valuable logistic and intel to the effort.

He did "send a letter " to Congress asking for a declaration of approval . That has not come .The 60 days has expired . He is now in violation of the law.

The left which went nuts protesting the Iraq war has barely been heard from.

The War Powers Act itself is worthy of it's own posting . There are justifiable reasons for both sides of the aisle to believe the Act was an over-reaction to the Vietnam war and is unconstitutional .From my perspective it allows Congress to veto executive action by inaction rather than by resolution . Others say the act is unconstitutional because it allows for executive action up to 60 days without Congressional approval.

President-elect Obama met with a bi-partisan commission that proposed to Congress "the War Powers Consultation Act of 2009" which would update the 1973 act and eliminate many of the objections . Evidently the President found the act convenient once in office because he has not done a thing to support the revisions.

Suffice it to say that for now it is the law of the land ,and the President is in violation of the law.

The left which went nuts protesting the Iraq war has barely been heard from.....

Suffice it to say that for now it is the law of the land ,and the President is in violation of the law.Hello again, tom:

I agree. Does that count as more than barely?

excon

Don't worry Tom the US is contributing its unique abilities which apparently don't need a declaration of war and an act of congress. No doubt a predator or two is waiting for the moment to end the dodo, that will make two down if and when it happens. Interesting that such devices originate in the home of the brave

But the Messiah is above the laws meant for mere mortals.

But the Messiah is above the laws meant for mere mortals.

I didn't think there were any mere mortals over there:D

But the Messiah is above the laws meant for mere mortals.
Why does your crappy religion keep creeping up everywhere? Think for yourself!

Why does your crappy religion keep creeping up everywhere? Think for yourself!

Just to use the word messiah doesn't imply religion unless you are referring to the Cult of the President, which is very much crappy religion

Just to use the word messiah doesn't imply religion ...http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41784_2201852595_3782_n.jpg

Messiah | Define Messiah at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/messiah)

Why does your crappy religion keep creeping up everywhere? Think for yourself!

I don't worship Obama...

Besides... I'm every bit as much entitled to have a religion as you are to not have one... and incidentally... worshiping ones self and you own greatness is pretty crappy as a religion. Just look in any newspaper to see plenty of examples why.

This Obama guy is really turning out to be a war monger.

U.S. Is Intensifying a Secret Campaign of Yemen Airstrikes (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/world/middleeast/09intel.html?_r=1)

He's doubled the number of wars we're in, does that make you Obots happy?

He's doubled the number of wars we're in, does that make you Obots happy?
Does that make you neo-cons happy?

I'm not a neo-con.

Well they aren't any 'obots' here either, you might try another forum with your question.

Well they aren't any 'obots' here either, you might try another forum with your question.

Go away.

Go away.
I know, you don't like to be caught out. Cheers!

I know, you don't like to be caught out. Cheers!

Go away.

Go away.No you go!

It's like kindergaten here when you do that stuff.

No you go!

It's like kindergaten here when you do that stuff.

Then stop being a juvenile pest.

How am I being a juvenile pest?
You're the one trying to tell people not to post in a public thread.

At last Daffy the dodo has been made a prime target, it apparently took the UN and NATO months to figure out that Daffy just might be part of the Libyan military command.
This apparently qualifies him for some special attention as if he were a tank or a rocket launcher. Military intelligence, it hasn't improved.

It's taken a couple of months but daffy is back in the news. Crying no doubt because he has lost his home as rebels take his compound, kick in the windows and stand on his head (bust, that is). Now the coward is going to fire quad rockets at the rebels giving NATO an excuse to destroy these installations. All the big noting himself has gone for nothing

Ah well it's back to living in a tent

It's taken a couple of months but daffy is back in the news. Crying no doubt because he has lost his home as rebels take his compound, kick in the windows and stand on his head (bust, that is). Now the coward is going to fire quad rockets at the rebels giving NATO an excuse to destroy these installations. All the big noting himself has gone for nothing

ah well it's back to living in a tent
With his favorite camel no less.

Perhaps the camel's name is Clive?

Daffy is going to be forever known as a coward like that other coward Saddam.
I know his excuse it's ramadan so he can't come out and fight, he's fasting

I think he's in the hotel where the reporters are being held as human shields.

http://www.news.com.au/world/muammar-gaddafis-son-seif-al-islam-appears-despite-reports-of-arrest/story-e6frfkyi-1226122447290

No he has ridden out into the desert on his camel named Clive where like Saddam before him he will hide in a rat hole

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No he has ridden out into the desert on his camel named Clive where like Saddam before him he will hide in a rat hole

Well my previous words appear to have been prophetic
Gaddafi Dead | Libya Leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi Dead (http://www.smh.com.au/world/muammar-gaddafi-dead-20111021-1maw9.html)

Yes they were, weren't they.

Another one bites the dust. Next??

Assard? KIM?

Chavez?

Oooooooo I'd like to see Chavez torn apart by a Wild Bore.

You might need help with that one Smoothy, no popular uprising as an excuse

You might need help with that one Smoothy, no popular uprising as an excuseTrue... I don't even know if they have wild bores there. We could send them some.

True.....I don't even know if they have wild bores there. We could send them some.

Yes you could send them BO he is certainly a bore

yes you could send them BO he is certainly a bore

BO is his bestest buddy... he used to have Hugos poster in his headquarters before the election...

We need to send them a few hundred angry Arkansas Razorbacks and set them loose.