Hello:

The drug war in Mexico USED to be a police issue, like it is here... No more. The cartels have ramped it up to resemble a real war. Not surprisingly, they're winning... They've taken over huge swaths of Mexico and are poised to take over the entire country. It's not going to be good for us with a narco state on our border - not good at all.

We can END it with the stroke of a pen... Or we can engage in it. I vote for the pen. But, nobody listens to me.

excon

What exactly did you have in mind that the power of the pen is supposed to do? The Taliban is also a drug cartel. Im not sure its going to be so simple.

What exactly did you have in mind that the power of the pen is supposed to do? The Taliban is also a drug cartel. Im not sure its going to be so simple.Hello dad:

We can put them out of business too. We just end the drug war. They'll all go back to being farmers. It may not be so simple, but it surly isn't that hard.

excon

We can put them out of business too. We just end the drug war. They'll all go back to being farmers.
They are miners too, don't forget. Lots of treasure under that country.

Also, *greenie* for the perfect solution.

Hello dad:

We can put them out of business too. We just end the drug war. They'll all go back to being farmers. It may not be so simple, but it surly isn't that hard.

excon

In a perfect world that could happen. But not in the one we currently live in. I fear that those already drunk with power that they have wouldn't just let it go. Making drugs legal and providing a pipeline for it will only reduce the price. I believe the control issues would still be there.

Making drugs legal and providing a pipeline for it will only reduce the price.Hello again, dad:

Then we could make them free, and throw in rehab on demand too. That'll for SURE put 'em out of business and cost us a hell of a lot less.

excon

Hello again, dad:

Then we could make them free, and throw in rehab on demand too. That'll for SURE put 'em out of business and cost us a hell of a lot less.

excon

Still an unrealistic expectation. Right now it IS the cartel's that are in control of the fields growing the drugs. So instead your going to make them plantation owners is all. Making it "free" isn't realistic unless you plan on crossing the boarder and taking it. If grown and harvested here there would be the all the laws and regulations that would have to be overcome just to get started.

Still an unrealistic expectation. Hello again, dad:

Nope... We have the means to control the production and distribution RIGHT here within our borders... Think of the jobs it'll create.. Why send a nickel over there?

When I said it would put them out of business, I wasn't kidding.

excon

So ex you want the US to become a narco state?

Hello clete:

No, I want the US to be a FREE state.

excon

I see . All we have to do is make every dangerous drug legal and Mexico will suddenly stop being a failed state .

This reminds me a bit of Colombia back in the 80s . Everyone was sure the Narco-terrorists FARC was going to defeat the government . Now FARC is still an insurgency.But there is no serious threat of the government collapsing . Juan Manuel Santos has all but defeated those narco-terrorists.

The reason the cartels made headway in Mexico is because the government is corrupt and inept.This is a country rich in oil and yet the people leave in droves because of poverty . Remittances from relatives in the US is one of the largest sources of national revenue. Mexico was bordering on a failed state before the cartels set up shop and if the cartels went out of business tomorrow they still would be a failing state.

Mexico was bordering on a failed state before the cartels set up shop and if the cartels went out of business tomorrow they still would be a failing state.Hello tom:

You confuse me with a person who gives a damn about Mexico.. My post, and my interest is in the preservation of THIS country...

excon

Maybe we could make Mexico our 51st state, thus better controlling the drug trade and drug abuses, plus adding great vacations spots, large amounts of untapped treasures, and scores of untrained but willing workers who will do all the drudgery for us.

Maybe we could make Mexico our 51st state, thus better controlling the drug trade and drug abuses, plus adding great vacations spots, large amounts of untapped treasures, and scores of untrained but willing workers who will do all the drudgery for us.

Well why not? You took two thirds of their country in the eighteenth century. It is only fair to move the border south and complete what NAFTA was put in place to achieve. Then you could civilise those poor peasants by teaching them english and changing the culture to fast food. An immediate workers utopia fueled by hambergers and southern fried chicken, you all

well why not? You took two thirds of their country in the eighteenth century. It is only fair to move the border south and complete what NAFTA was put in place to achieve. Then you could civilise those poor peasants by teaching them english and changing the culture to fast food. An immediate workers utopia fueled by hambergers and southern fried chicken, you all

The Reconquistas will take care of that problem soon .Oregon will be the southern border .

The Reconquistas will take care of that problem soon .Oregon will be the southern border .

The southern border of Canada? The US is an artificial construct anyway, a land acquired from the indians, the French, the Spanish, the British, the Russians, tHe Hawaiians

Would decriminalizing marijuana help reduce violence and put drug cartels out of business? I heard it is already semi-legal to possess small amounts in 12 or 13 states. I wonder if crime is any lower in those states.

Cigarettes are legal and still there is an organized crime business in smuggling them. Most states have lotteries and still organized crime run numbers.

Didn't we just surrender to the Mexicans, I read we will no longer be buiding that invisible fence on the boarder. So now they know where we are not stopping anyone

The southern border of Canada? The US is an artificial construct anyway, a land acquired from the indians, the French, the Spanish, the British, the Russians, tHe Hawaiians

And Australia ? I'm sure the aboriginal population always sang 'God Save the Queen' .

And Australia ? I'm sure the aboriginal population alway sang 'God Save the Queen' .

Well they did, it's just we couldn't understand what they were saying. From the earliest aboriginees were included and even travelled to the UK. No, Tom, we arrived to an empty continent there was just flora and fauna. Don't listen to those hybrids, the white aboriginees. According to them we will soon celebrate invasion day. The aborigine still lives in the Northern Territory and Western Australia on their own lands. We didn't conduct wars and make and break treaties. Most of the time you couldn't find more than a few aboriginees. We didn't conquer, we didn't buy the land from a foreign power and we didn't institute invasions of our neighbours and take their land away from them.

So you did not have other European powers to compete against ,and your aboriginals did not threaten your outposts. The net result is the same... a European power colonized land they did not originally come from. The aboriginals talk of disposession from their land .What does that mean ? There was no forced relocations ? What were the 'Frontier Wars ' ?

So you did not have other European powers to compete against ,and your aboriginals did not threaten your outposts. The net result is the same ....a European power colonized land they did not originally come from. The aboriginals talk of disposession from their land .What does that mean ? There was no forced relocations ? What were the 'Frontier Wars ' ?

Forced relocations, let's start with the thousands who suffer forced relocation from Britain, the poms could go home at the end of their tour of duty but the convicts stayed on, not wishing to dispossess anyone. There were no wars, a few skermishs with isolated groups who didn't object to all, just some. Those who came were luckly not to suffer the same fate as Jamestown. What happened is disease wiped out the aboriginals not warfare by an invading power. The early settlers were favourably disposed towards the aboriginals but one or two aboriginals harboured a grudge because of poor treatment.

I don't know what frontier you are talking about the whole continent was a frontier

Australian frontier wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_frontier_wars)

Australian frontier wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_frontier_wars)

A colourful portrail of what I described earlier, skermishes. You could not describe what happen as wars but, at best, police actions following killings or raids. The difference between aboriginal people and europeans was land ownership and land use and this is what produced conflict. Europeans regarded any land not under cultivations or settlement as open land whereas aboriginals did not cultivate or settle but were nomadic hunter gatherers. So aboriginals did not recognise ownership either of land or stock. Theirs was an egalagarian society based on common ownership, a concept foreign even for another century to europeans. You could descripe this as the first conflict between a communist system and a capitalist system. Interestingly you would prefer the capitalist over the communist but criticise the british handing of the situation. Please remember when you look at these times you are dealing with the British not the Australian mindset. That mindset was very evident in america in the eighteenth and nineteenth century and persists even today

Anyway way the hell does this have to do with Mexico

I have to agree with you Ex. I personally believe drug use is a bad idea and will continue to teach my kids to "just say no." However, prohibition has never worked, not in the 20's and not now. Legalize it, tax it, regulate it and hell use the money to fund rehabs for all I care. Take the massive amounts of money out oof it and you take the inducement away for the criminals. The kidnappings and murders are far worse damage than if people could buy cocaine and pot at the local walgreens for 2.99 a pound.

Imagine if alcohol had never been illegal, no mafia, Chicago would have been a law abiding city... IMHO