TLC just received their highest ratings ever (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/sarah-palins-alaska-breaks-tlc-45421) for a debut with roughly 5 million viewers for the premier of Sarah Palin's Alaska. On a Sunday night. The night of one of the highest rated reality series ever, The Amazing Race. The night of one of last year's highest rated new series, Undercover Boss. The night of Sunday night football featuring the Steelers and Patriots.

Will the ratings last or is it just curiosity? Who knows, but the left is already in a tizzy over the promo. She allegedly fished too close to the bears.

'Sarah Palin's Alaska': John Toppenberg Criticizes Reality Show's Bear Encounter For Alleged Violation Of Wildlife Guidelines (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/15/sarah-palins-alaska-john-_n_783613.html)

After whining about all those birthers for the last 2 years, a half a million of you and growing are now proudly "bearthers."

Hello Steve:

Palin in '12. Without her, Obama will lose.

excon

She called 'em grizzlies. They were brown bears.

She tried to climb a rock wall and said, "I will never quit," but she quit as governor of Alaska.

I too hope she gets the Republican nomination in 2012.

I watched it because one of these days I plan on taking a vacation in Denali .

I'm not a big fan of the reality show format and seeing the Palin family in that setting is no exception.

However I do appreciate the irony of people calling her an unqualified dummy ;and her answering it by having a hit series on 'The Learning Channel' .

Politicians pay a fortune for the type of exposure she gets paid for in her TLC and FOX gigs.

an unqualified dummy ;and her answering it by having a hit series on 'The Learning Channel' .
No one ever said "dummies" can't be pretty and charming and charismatic.

Do you want her to be your president?

"Do you want her to be your president?"

Nope!

However I do appreciate the irony of people calling her an unqualified dummy ;and her answering it by having a hit series on 'The Learning Channel' .Hello tom:

She's a street fighter, all right. She presses all the right buttons. But, that stuff doesn't make her smart. She's quite uninformed about the world. That's by design. In fact, she's using her ignorance as a campaign plank. Can't know stuff - that's elite.

excon

No one ever said "dummies" can't be pretty and charming and charismatic.

Do you want her to be your president?

I just think it's the perfect answer... having" The Learning Channel" sponsor an educational series hosted by her . I already said in an earlier posting that this will be a boom for the Alaska tourism industry .

I have not made an opinion about her Presidential prospects ,although initially I think there are better candidates to represent the GOP . I think if the Republicans were wise they would ask her to take over for Michael Steele as the RNC chair . One thing she did demonstrate the last cycle was she could be a 'king maker' ;help recruit candidates ,raise funds ,and help them get elected .
Even in races where the candidate she supported lost ,the Dems ended up forced to unexpectedly expend resources to defend their candidate .

Dear lord! Now I'm in the elite? Guess I'd better stop correcting grammar and start baking more cookies.

She's quite uninformed about the world.

And I saw the President get a smack-down on his Asian tour except in India . Smarts don't account for much... I'm more into results.

She called 'em grizzlies. They were brown bears.

I didn't watch the show, but I watched the promo and she called them "mama bears." I think it's hilarious that people are calling her a quitter and worse based on this. How many of you would be that calm as a brown bear approached your boat? Not me...

How many of you would be that calm as a brown bear approached your boat? Not me...
The brown bear didn't approach her boat; she approached the brown bear and cubs. Grizzlies are mean and nasty; brown bears are usually fairly agreeable. We'd go to Yellowstone and watch parents put their kids astride brown bear cubs' backs (and photograph them). Mama Brown Bear didn't object (as long as someone was feeding her bread or other treats).

And I saw the President get a smack-down on his Asian tour except in India . Smarts don't account for much ...I'm more into results.

And 2 years into his presidency, she's doing pretty good.

P.S. I'm still pulling for a Christie run (http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/culture/2010/11/765977/inside-christie-bubble-jersey-peers-take-denials-pound-salt).

However I do appreciate the irony of people calling her an unqualified dummy ;and her answering it by having a hit series on 'The Learning Channel' .

Politicians pay a fortune for the type of exposure she gets paid for in her TLC and FOX gigs.Justin Bieber is really popular too, more than Palin, I guess the public picks winners!

Justin Bieber is really popular too, more than Palin, I guess the public picks winners!

I'm not aware of any polls between the two. Although I'm sure Bieber would win the under 15 female demographic, I doubt his real impact is anything close to Palin's.

What exactly is Palin's impact?

What exactly is Palin's impact?

I'm not even going to waste my time with you any more.

Ok. If the answer was easy you'd give it.

NK I suppose that Justin Bieber is about the best you got ,and effeminate pop flavor of the month.

I don't know if she will be a nominee or even a candidate for President. What I do know is that if she is not ;whoever is the GOP nominee will actively seek her support.

The best part of this ;the more viral the hatred of her ,the more powerful she becomes.

Actually I'm loving The Walking Dead - great new series!

Edit to add: I love how you romantically come to Steve's defense - it's cute :)

The best part of this ;the more viral the hatred of her ,the more powerful she becomes.Hello again, tom:

I don't hate her. I'm proud that she's been able to get where she has. She's a wonderful wife and mother, and would make a great girl scout leader. The fact that she's done so well, is a testament to LIBERAL ideas, and LIBERAL lawmakers. In fact, if it were left up to conservatives, she wouldn't have had the opportunities she did. That is just so.

But, being proud of her, does NOT require me to support her politics, and I surly don't.

excon

I didn't say you hate her. I read the comments on the left sites and just the mention of her name prompts spontaneous combustion.

BTW... the 'dummy' now has a word she invented that is officially recognized by the New Oxford American Dictionary .They announced that “refudiate” is the official 2010 word of the year.

"From a strictly lexical interpretation of the different contexts in which Palin has used 'refudiate,' we have concluded that neither 'refute' nor 'repudiate' seems consistently precise, and that 'refudiate' more or less stands on its own, suggesting a general sense of 'reject.' "
OUPblog Blog Archive OUP USA 2010 Word of the Year: Refudiate (http://blog.oup.com/2010/11/refudiate-2/)

English ;unlike the American Constitution ,is living ,breathing, and constantly changing .
Add to that the phrases she has helped popularize in her brief time on the national scene and it amts to an impressive resume in it's own right.
You betcha!
Drill, baby, drill!
Corrupt bass turds
Death Panels.
Cackle of Rads
Mamma Grizzlies
Hockey Moms...
(waiting for Wondergirl's comments )

One more thing... NY Slimes editorialist DR. Paul Krugman, the lefty economist of choice, confirmed in an interview on ABC over the weekend that what is in the ObamaCare legislation is indeed a "death panel" ;and that we should embrace it .

I hope that Sarah runs for the presidency. Go Sarah!

New Oxford American Dictionary [/U].Hello again, tom

So, when Lisa Murkowski beats Joe Miller, you could call that a refuke of Palin...

excon

That word will be in the 2011 edition.

Joe Miller probably beat himself .

Wasn't "TLC" last big hit what not to wear? Not much learning going on there.

I expect she'll get an Emmy Award for this travel documentary series.

If anyone should win an Emmy it should be Adam Richman from Man Vs Food. That dude can eat.

Wasn't "TLC" last big hit what not to wear? Not much learning going on there.

She beat that debut, too.

Hockey Moms .......
(waiting for Wondergirl's comments )
WG's comments about what? The term was originally "soccer moms." Sarah just went a step further. In my world, there have always been "library moms."

WG's comments about what? The term was originally "soccer moms." Sarah just went a step further. In my world, there have always been "library moms."We've had hockey moms in Canada for as long as I can remember. Hey maybe she can hear us from there!

She beat that debut, too.

That was my point. There is nothing to learn on The Learning Channel.

You can learn about polygamy and pimping your kid out to beauty pageants.

WG's comments about what? The term was originally "soccer moms." Sarah just went a step further. In my world, there have always been "library moms."

The larger topic that she coined a word that is now officially recognized in the dictionary of record .

You can learn about polygamy and pimping your kid out to beauty pageants.

HAHAHAAHAHAAA! Ok point taken. Speech just to change directions for a second Do you think Jason Garrett held back in the play calling on purpose to get Phillips fired?

He saw something in the Gnat's D that Phillips didn't .

Is Vick the MVP ?

Hello again,

I have to say that I'm falling in love with Bristol Palin. Her Paso Doble rocked..

excon

HAHAHAAHAHAAA! Ok point taken. Speech just to change directions for a second Do you think Jason Garrett held back in the play calling on purpose to get Phillips fired?

You know Spit, I've wondered that myself as he is one smart guy. But I don't think so, he has more class than that. The team quit on Phillips and his "aww shucks" style wasn't going to light a fire under them.

P.S. I was down 15 points in another league with Vick and Akers to go against DeSean Jackson. We cruised to a 25 point win thanks to Vick's Superman show.

Tom If he keeps playing the way he is I would say yes. Lets see how he does against the Giants.

Hello again,

I have to say that I'm falling in love with Bristol Palin. Her Paso Doble rocked..

So you're the one behind the Bristol the Pistol DWTS conspiracy.

I know the tea party sites have a call in campaign .

The show asks for votes and they get 'em, nothing unfair about it. But she really did well, five 9's and an 8 I think last night... those are good numbers.

Speech going into last night's game I was down like 197 to 67 and ended up losing by 19 points!! Vick had 83 points I think.

Speech going into last night's game I was down like 197 to 67 and ended up losing by 19 points!!!! Vick had 83 points I think.

I had tom until the last half of the Steelers game and Ben came alive and the Steelers D crumbled. Oh well, there's always next year... and my other leagues. I can always take solace in tom's team likely being crushed by another girl.

Then I can be an assistant winner? Cool!! :cool:

then I can be an assistant winner ?? cool !!!:cool:

Exactly!

I think it's something to keep Palin in the public spotlight so folks don't forget her. Maybe it's just as well as who else do we have to chose from in 2012 for Prez?

I don't think that TLC can credibly call itself the learning channel anymore if they are going to air this Sarah Palin trash. I am so sick of hearing about her. I am praying that someone intelligent like Mitt Romney gets the GOP nomination or they will have no chance of defeating Obama in 2012.

Clearly you did not see the show. I am more determined than ever to take vacation to Denali Park . I want to fish for Salmon in a river that bears are fishing in . I want to hike on glaciers at the foot of Mt McKinley . I hiked on a glacier in Alaska before ,but I took a helicopter to the glacier . It was a blast . I also hiked to the edge of the glacier on Mt Rainier . But Mt Mckinley makes these mountains look like foothills .

Palin did a stomp down on Kathleen Parker's brag that she led the political assassination of Palin in 2008
“On September 26, 2008, I said that she was out of her league, and I have rested my case so many times that I don't need to bring that up again.”

Palin responded in a tweet .
“Parker: appreciate your admittance. Now, I'm still standing; Standing by family, faith & flag. Who do u stand by today?”

Parker of course stands by the disgraced former Governor of NY ,the pervert "Client #9", whore monger Elliot Spitzer . They co-host the latest CNN venture into no ratings. In fact ,her ploy in starting a feud with Palin is a desperate attempt to drum up some viewers.

Meanwhile ,as the OP points out , Palin's show broke TLC ratings ,and I'd love to see how it fared against Rachel Madcow.

I'll have to watch the show myself now, it'll be interesting to see how it fares the 2nd week.

Meanwhile, the left is having convulsions (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/17/brandy-leaves-dancing-wit_n_784665.html) over Brandy losing out to Bristol last night.

Bristol consistently scores near the bottom, she is only being voted through due to the Vote For The Worst campaigns for these phone-in voting reality shows. People like toying with the concept of these shows by keeping the worst people on the show for the laughs.

Hello again, Steve:

I read the article.. I didn't see any convulsions - just reporting.

Nonetheless, in some elections, the best person DOESN'T win. Ho hum. I think it's FINE that a bunch of Sarah Palin supporters voted for Bristol. There ain't no litmus test for voting. Thems the rules.

excon

I read the article.. I didn't see any convulsions - just reporting.I noticed the same thing. More disinformation from the usual suspects.

I only watched the show briefly during a few week stretch when Buzz Aldrin was a contestant . I serial voted for one of my boyhood heroes each week until he was kicked off.
I knew he wasn't the best performer but it took guts for him to do it at his age.

Sarah Palin's Alaska.

I'm truly homesick now after watching that. :(

I don't know if Bristol can Dance cause I don't watch dancing with the stars But I do know that her and "The Situation" can't act at all in this PSA commercial.
YouTube - 'The Situation' and Bristol Palin Talk Sex (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyWKlxNAh30&feature=player_embedded#!)

Hello again, Steve:

I read the article.. I didn't see any convulsions - just reporting.

You didn't read the comments.


MarieB 10 minutes ago (9:18 AM)

The bagger voters are creating another monster... feeding an ego of someone with no substance or ability to be doing what they are doing.


PaxEterna 10 minutes ago (10:52 AM)

Dumb and dumber... down you go America. Home of the ignorant and narcissistic, not the talented and hard-working.


Scentedflower 10 minutes ago (10:51 AM)

Injustice to the black talent.


RasputinsLiver 13 minutes ago (10:49 AM)

Aaaaaaaaaa­aaahahahah­ahahaahhaa­aaa!

God, this is too rich!

She's going to "win" and it'll be just one more notch in the bedpost of making her and her odious family total national/i­nternation­al jokes.

And when she does Letterman, O'Brien, SNL, Daily Show, Colbert and the vast majority of Americans who loath the Palins will laugh their collective kiesters off for some time.

Eventually, the deluded Bristol will realize nobody voted for her. They just voted for her mother. And she'll know, at least deep down, that she once again was used by her mother and her mother's worshippers.


lioness39 13 minutes ago (10:49 AM)

I've never seen such tea party clap trap. All of the great unwashed called in to DWTS and are keeping Bristol mooing. Now does this render DWTS a new political party or what's going on here?


southernred 12 minutes ago (10:53 AM)

As soon as Brandy was voted off, I turned it off and edited my DVR to no longer record this show.


drdubski 2 hours ago (8:39 AM)

The other contestants should refuse to compete... this is a joke.


hjo4 2 hours ago (8:52 AM)

This is bogus and DTWS should be canceled. This is outrageous, it cannot get any more obvious that this is a sham of a show.


Addy Sul 5 minutes ago (11:05 AM)

I am just disgusted.

This just goes to show the direction our country will take if Sista Sarah is voted into any office. Her supporters obviously don't care about what is the right thing to do or who is most qualified. They are showing just how daft they really are by voting to make a point and that is exactly how they would vote in the election and our country will implode.


nirak 5 minutes ago (11:09 AM)

When I think of the Palin's ( which is not very often) I think of a Cancer who destroys anything good. In this case the country and even the Entertainment shows.

No, they aren't having convulsions over this...

I don't know if Bristol can Dance cause I don't watch dancing with the stars But I do know that her and "The Situation" can't act at all in this PSA commercial.
YouTube - 'The Situation' and Bristol Palin Talk Sex (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyWKlxNAh30&feature=player_embedded#!)

I saw that, that is bad.

You didn't read the comments.Should we start posting comments from FreeRepublic and WND? They are "convulsing" 24/7 over there and it's much, much worse than what you posted.
We read the news articles not the comments.

You didn't read the comments.Hello again, Steve:

No, I didn't. I read the ARTICLE you linked me to. That was where I expected the convulsions you mentioned, and I didn't see any. It's true. I did not read the blog. I never do. Those screeches and hollers don't interest me. The only ordinary people I want to hear from are right here. That's all the screeching and hollering I can take.

excon

Report: Man Shoots TV Over Palin Dance (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/report-man-shoots-tv-palin-46616)

Better?

I wonder if he had a permit for that gun? I was always told law abiding citizens with gun permits are not a threat.

Palin home invasion - legitimate threat. Remote was too far to change the channel.

Obviously if you are shooting your TV and threatening your wife then you are not a law abiding citizen.

One has to wonder if a history of bipolar disorder was in his record when he filled out the application for a permit .

obviously if you are shooting your TV and threatening your wife then you are not a law abiding citizen.Not sure what legal grounds you are using to come to that conclusion.

Not sure about rural Wisconsin .Here in semi-rural NY there are discharge laws and laws against threatening someone with a gun.

I missed the part where he turned the gun on his, my bad.

Hello Steve:

Palin in '12. Without her, Obama will lose.

excon

Good Morning all.

Excon, it appears you might get your wish. According to a news report I just read, she announced to Barbara Walters that she has decided to make a run for the Presidency in '12.

The dumbing down of America (http://www.politicususa.com/en/beck-palin-dumb).

Excon, it appears you might get your wish. Morning, J:

I wish I could handicap the horses as well as I can politics..

Her ego WOULDN'T let her NOT run. I'm reminded, however, of a few words from Dirty Harry - "a man has got to know his limitations".

excon

She did not announce it .However she strongly indicated she would make a run .

And Why not ? There will be plenty contenders vying for the Republican nomination. I don't see any other obvious front runner . Everyone mentions Romney... but he seems like yesterday's news to me and he's damaged because RomneyCare was in many ways a template for the disaster the Dems have strapped us with.

She could be looking at the political landscape and thinking 'why not' . Once she gets past the Republican field ;and the country experiences another year + of Obamanation perhaps the country will call on a Mother Goddess .

Michael Vlahos: Mother Goddess, Ascending (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-vlahos/post_917_b_737238.html)

And Why not ? Hello again, tom:

Because having an idiot like her running things is sure to cause us trouble, by golly.

excon

Sorry... forgot to put the sarcasm font on my reply.

I think she's having a blast causing agita to all the people who worry about these things.

Hey... we currently have the second coming of Heraclitus running the country and screwing it up royally . Maybe some Truman like downhome dagum gosh golly good ole simple common sensical leadership is what we need .

I am not impressed by the characterization of 'idiot'.. every Republican President since Nixon has been called one and every Democrat since JFK geniouses .
Ivy Leaguers have run this country since 1988... How they doing ?

I am not impressed by the characterization of 'idiot' ..Hello again, tom:

Let me put it this way. Right here, on these very pages, we have our own version of Sarah Palin. His political wherewithal, like Palin, is garnered from bumper stickers and Glenn Beck. His positions on the issues, like Palin, are talking points and slogans. When scratched, like Palin, there's no THERE, there.

How'd you like HIM running things?

excon

I think Palin quotes end up on bumper stickers ,not the other way around.
I can't speak to the experiences of other experts here since all I know is self professed resumes. Palin has confirmed experiences and a resume that are at least as impressive as the current occupant of the Oval Office.

Palin has confirmed experiences and a resume that are at least as impressive as the current occupant of the Oval Office.Hello again, tom:

Oh, I agree. However, having experienced the likes of Obama, I'd think you'd want to delve a little deeper into your candidate, than just their resume... Obama is smart, but he's weak. Palin is dumb, and strong... We just had one of those. It was a disaster.

excon

Tom, I took the clip that I saw as confirmation she has every intention of running. Although she talks about discussing this with her family prior to making any decision, I think what she is concerned about (and rightly so) is figuring out how to overcome her history while serving as mayor & governor. Resigning as governor with 18 months left to go amid ethics probes will be dredged up very quickly once she starts to actively campaign. I think part of her solution is choosing to participate in this reality show. Good or bad, Americans love their reality TV stars and they seem to quickly forget past "mistakes in judgement".

Excon, you and others may think she is "dumb" but look at the life she has carved out for herself in the past 3 years. I think she is a very shrewd businesswoman. I very much doubt she signed a contract for that show without having final say prior to each episode airing. However, I think she is going to have a very difficult time overcoming her political history, along with an apparent lack of knowledge regarding foreign & domestic policies, and world knowledge in general. I also think she may be underestimating how many Republicans will be throwing their hats in the ring. I am looking forward to seeing a record number of people vying for the nod. I will be surprised if either Romney or Huckabee decide not to run again. Unless Obama pulls something amazing out of his bag of tricks, or the GOP nominates such a complete dud, there is no question in my mind we will be taking back the White House in 2012. And I believe all the Republican politicians who have ever dreamed of becoming POTUS are salivating at the thought they may finally have their shot.

Agreed . I don't think the nominee is obvious at this time. I have already expressed my opinion that I thought the position of chairing the RNC would be a good next step in her progression. But who listens to me ?

I see a governor emerging .I have a handful in mind besides Romney or the Huckster who would be fine Presidents(hint... a current GOP Governor just completed an Asian tour promoting business for his State)

The ethics thing is easily parried. By resigning she turned a smear job against her into a strength. Compare her honorable way of dealing with charges that didn't amt to anything against one of the pillars of the House of Reps Charlie Rangel who will avoid prosecution because the Holder Justice Dept will not pursue charges.

His political wherewithal, like Palin, is garnered from bumper stickers and Glenn Beck. His positions on the issues, like Palin, are talking points and slogans.

Just think, if Obama's every word got as much attention as Sarah's do, the Democrats might not have lost so bad.

the Democrats might not have lost so bad.
Just out of curiosity, how many Dems won and how many Repubs during the mid-term elections? And how many Repubs are Tea-Partiers?

Just out of curiosity, how many Dems won and how many Repubs during the mid-term elections? And how many Repubs are Tea-Partiers?

I'm not the statistician. If you'd like to tell us then great, but that really had nothing to do with my point. Everyone pays attention to the Palins... no one is listening to Obama.

BTW .... the 'dummy' now has a word she invented that is officially recognized by the New Oxford American Dictionary .They announced that “refudiate” is the official 2010 word of the year...

Speaking of dummies, last night on Larry King, Biden commented on the time line to pull out of Afghanistan. "Daddy is going to start to take the training wheels off in October -- I mean in next July, so you'd better practice riding.” Meanwhile, Obama is set to tell Europe he still cares (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/19/obama-europe-trip-to-show_n_785839.html).

And these are the grownups in charge?

Fox News making fun of Palin:

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You had to know that they never believed the crap that they spew.

Lol ,the only wild life Judith Miller and Liz Trotta have ever encountered are leashed poodles on the Manhattan streets where they live.

Speaking of dummies, Hello again, Steve:

Can someone be cunning and dumb too? I think so. Sarah Palin has extraordinary political instincts. Yet, she's as dumb as a rock.

excon

Good point ex, I think that applies equally to Obama and Biden.

Good point ex, I think that applies equally to Obama and Biden.
And most of the republicans here. :)

Good point ex, I think that applies equally to Obama and Biden.Hello again, Steve:

Actually, no. Obama is smart as a whip, which has done him absolutely NO GOOD so far. I WISH the Obaminator would develop a little cunning... Right now, he looks like a meek little lamb.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Actually, no. Obama is smart as a whip, which has done him absolutely NO GOOD so far. I WISH the Obaminator would develop a little cunning... Right now, he looks like a meek little lamb.

Biden agrees, Obama is just too darn smart, “I think what it is, is he’s so brilliant. He is an intellectual (http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/19/biden-obama-viewed-as-aloof-because-he%E2%80%99s-so-brilliant/),” Biden said.

Now speaking about the 'hatred out their to anything Palin;
'Dancing with the Stars' rocked by Bristol Palin 'fan mail' containing white powder, threats: report (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/11/20/2010-11-20_dancing_with_the_stars_rocked_by_bristol_palin_ fan_mail_containing_white_powder_.html)

Geez, first a guy shoots his TV and points the gun at his wife, then TV insiders think a Bristol win would ruin the show (http://www.popeater.com/2010/11/18/bristol-palin-dancing-with-the-stars/), now terrorism. This Palin derangement is out of control.

This Palin derangement is out of control.Hello again, Steve:

She IS a divisive figure, isn't she? The derangement goes both ways, though... She doesn't like her critics any more than they like her.

excon

This Palin derangement is out of control.
Totally agree, you guys have posted practically everyday about her.

Obama is smart as a whip, which has done him absolutely NO GOOD so far. I WISH the Obaminator would develop a little cunning... Right now, he looks like a meek little lamb.
Obama is trying to keep everyone happy, and that tactic is failing miserably. Reminds me of my father. He tried to keep us kids happy and uncomplaining by being constantly agreeable to anything and everything, so we complained even more. My mom heard our complaints, opened the utensil drawer, and got out the big, black wooden spoon.

She IS a divisive figure, isn't she? The derangement goes both ways, though... She doesn't like her critics any more than they like her.

All of the events in my last post were about Bristol. People are terrorizing one of her children? Even you should admit that's gone too far.

A guy shoots his TV & threatens his wife. People complain that DWTS is rigged (or whatever the complaints are -- I don't watch the show) because Bristol shouldn't be there, and now someone sends baby powder through the mail. It appears to me that some people simply don't like Bristol. So what. She appears to be handling it very well, just as an adult should. She isn't a child. She has placed herself in the public eye as her baby's daddy has. She is going to receive criticism, hate, crazed love letters, hate mail, marriage proposals, threats, possibly a stalker or two,. whatever. That is what happens when a person chooses to be in the public spotlight as the Palins and Lohans of the world have. I have no sympathy for any of these people. They have chosen the lives they are leading. You can call it terrorism if you want to. I don't. I call it the price of fame.

Even you should admit that's gone too far.Hello again, Steve:

EVEN me? As though I countenance SOME bad behavior?? Dude!

excon

A guy shoots his tv & threatens his wife. People complain that DWTS is rigged (or whatever the complaints are -- I don't watch the show) because Bristol shouldn't be there, and now someone sends baby powder through the mail. It appears to me that some people simply don't like Bristol. So what. She appears to be handling it very well, just as an adult should. She isn't a child. She has placed herself in the public eye as her baby's daddy has. She is going to receive criticism, hate, crazed love letters, hate mail, marriage proposals, threats, possibly a stalker or two,... whatever. That is what happens when a person chooses to be in the public spotlight as the Palins and Lohans of the world have. I have no sympathy for any of these people. They have chosen the lives they are leading. You can call it terrorism if you want to. I don't. I call it the price of fame.Perfect post - you echo my sentiments exactly.

Hello again, Steve:

EVEN me?? As though I countenance SOME bad behavior??? Dude!

Not my intent at all.

You can call it terrorism if you want to. I don't. I call it the price of fame.

OK, call it a hate crime. Whatever you call it it's not the price of fame, that's going too far.

OK, call it a hate crime. Whatever you call it it's not the price of fame, that's going too far.
I don't feel it is going too far. Sorry you don't agree.

Among a number of things that have happened, a Nutty Mcnutjob sent a hate letter filled with talcum powder to Bristol Palin. You want to call it a hate crime? That's okay with me. Other reality TV stars deal with hate mail and threats all the time, as well as love letters and all the stuff I mentioned above. If the Palins had settled back down into their normal lives in Alaska after the 2008 election, none of this garbage would have happened. Bristol would have just been one of many unwed mothers in the U.S. So for her and her family, all the negative (as well as positive) attention IS the price they are paying for their desire to be in the limelight. I am not saying I believe she should be treated that way. She shouldn't. No one should (except maybe that douche Spencer Pratt). Anyway, it just is what it is In my opinion. Famous people are the prime targets of all sorts of crackpots & fans. I suspect it will get a lot worse before it gets better.

We'll have to agree to disagree, because no one deserves to be stalked, threatened and harassed just because they're in the public eye. Particularly after the anthrax letters, mailing white powder is no joke.

We'll have to agree to disagree, because no one deserves to be stalked, threatened and harassed just because they're in the public eye. Particularly after the anthrax letters, mailing white powder is no joke.
Steve, I think you are misinterpreting what I stated as my tacit agreement that this anti-social behavior is okay. I never said that anyone deserved to be stalked, etc "just because they're in the public eye." I specifically said she shouldn't be treated that way. Of course "mailing white powder is no joke." I never said it was. However, do I consider it a terrorist attack? No. Do I think a person with too many loose screws went too far? Yes. Do I think the person who sent that letter hates Bristol Palin with an irrational passion? You betcha. Do I consider it a hate crime? No, not in the way you appear to feel it is but I won't pick at you if you want to call it that.
I believe when people place themselves in the spotlight non-stop, the loonies come out of the woodwork and anything (good or bad) can happen. It is what I call the price of fame. You don't agree. That's okay. Yes, we can agree to disagree.

I don't agree it is either necessary or right ,or 'the way it is" .

Princess Di was killed by this obsession with celebrity and fame ;so was John Lennon.
There was not this passionate hatred of either ,and still they were stalked until killed .

Sematics aside ,does it really make a difference if John Lennon was shot by a terrorist,by a deranged fan ;or a stalking paparazzo ? It has to be treated seriously

It has to be treated seriouslyAgreed. She has the option of retreating from the spotlight and take care of her child. That would be a good start.

No worries Jal, I didn't come away believing you thought that kind of behavior was OK.

Agreed. She has the option of retreating from the spotlight and take care of her child. That would be a good start.

Yes the liberal position is that women should be barefoot and pregnant cooking dinner.

Yes the liberal position is that women should be barefoot and pregnant cooking dinner.
Really? I grew up in a very conservative Republican family/community and was always given that message.

Did not know NK was conservative .

did not know NK was conservative .
He said "option." Liberals give choices.

He said "option." Liberals give choices.

Liberals dictate who should get choices. Almost from the day Palin bounced onto the national scene the left has said she should go home and take care of her family. They're still saying it today.

They're still saying it today.Hello again, Steve:

Those bastards!

excon

He said "That would be a good start"

Do you ever hear them suggest that would be the right choice for a man ?

He said "That would be a good start"

Do you ever hear them suggest that would be the right choice for a man ?
Black Chicago Sun-Times columnist John Fountain does.

Real men work for their families :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: John W. Fountain (http://www.suntimes.com/news/fountain/2904502,fountain-column-111810.article)

I don't agree it is either necessary or right ,or 'the way it is" .

Princess Di was killed by this obsession with celebrity and fame ;so was John Lennon.
There was not this passionate hatred of either ,and still they were stalked until killed .

Sematics aside ,does it really make a difference if John Lennon was shot by a terrorist,by a deranged fan ;or a stalking paparazzo ? It has to be treated seriously
Tom, I never stated it is "necessary" or "right". I did state "it is what it is" and if you want to disagree, that is your privilege.

I am not saying this stuff should be ignored. Of course it should be treated seriously!

You have stated in a different way what I have been saying here. You said, Princess Di & John Lennon were "killed by this obsession with celebrity and fame". Along with the regular fan base, you have crazies that will latch onto people who are famous. Unlike your examples of Lennon & Di, Bristol Palin did have the choice to remain out of the spotlight.

Yes the liberal position is that women should be barefoot and pregnant cooking dinner.
Who said that? You continue your habit of mis-representing people's words. If you don't believe that children need a healthy household with two present caring parents then that's your belief, not mine.

did not know NK was conservative .I'm conservative on some issues and liberal on others. Does that matter?

Do you ever hear them suggest that would be the right choice for a man ?
I took 5 months of parental leave, did you?

Unlike your examples of Lennon & Di, Bristol Palin did have the choice to remain out of the spotlight.


Sure they did . Lennon sought fame his whole life . Reality hit the Beatles after the Shea Stadium concerts . They became so afraid for their personal safety they quit doing concerts.
Di knew fame was part and partial when she married the probably future King of England. She tried to put it to good use .Neither she ,nor Lennon ,nor Bristol have signed up for the treatment...

Sure they did . Lennon sought fame his whole life . Reality hit the Beatles after the Shea Stadium concerts . They became so afraid for their personal safety they quit doing concerts.
Di knew fame was part and partial when she married the probably future King of England. She tried to put it to good use .Neither she ,nor Lennon ,nor Bristol have signed up for the treatment .....
So?

,nor Bristol have signed up for the treatment .....
How did Bristol get on DWTS?

How do we even KNOW Bristol?

How do we even KNOW Bristol?
She's the daughter of Sarah Palin.She has been the subject of the obsessive media since Sept 2008 . Why shouldn't she cash in since her name is dragged through the mud anyway ? Were Carter's or the Clintoon's daughter treated that way ?

Why shouldn't she cash in since her name is dragged through the mud anyway ? Were Carter's or the Clintoon's daughter treated that way ?Hello again, tom:

Nobody is saying she shouldn't cash in. They're just saying there are downsides to doing so. Did Carter or Clintoon's daughter cash in?? Noooo, they didn't...

excon

Unwed mother need to make a buck; speaking engagements about Family Values™ don't seem to pay the rent I guess.

Liberal empathy again.. She should've done the responsible thing and abort.. right ?

She should've done the responsible thing and abort ..right ?
If that is what you believe.

Sarah is the one who should have done the responsible thing and aborted Trig, who is just a financial burden to society (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2008/09/17/objectivist-writer-trig-palin-financial-burden-who-should-have-been-abo).

Sure they did . Lennon sought fame his whole life . Reality hit the Beatles after the Shea Stadium concerts . They became so afraid for their personal safety they quit doing concerts.
Di knew fame was part and partial when she married the probably future King of England. She tried to put it to good use .Neither she ,nor Lennon ,nor Bristol have signed up for the treatment .....
LOL! Lennon was a musician. Princess Di married into Royalty. Bristol Palin's claim to fame? Daughter of a vice presidential candidate. Unwed mother whose child is being raised by her family while she is dancing her way into the hearts of millions.

Re: "signed up for the treatment" You are right about Lennon & Princess Di. They never expected the "treatment" they received. No one did. Very, very sad outcomes that should be used as food for thought by anyone considering stepping into the spotlight. You would think what happened to them AND the hateful stuff that has been directed at Sarah Palin would have given them an inkling as to what to expect.

Sarah is the one who should have done the responsible thing and aborted Trig, who is just a financial burden to society (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2008/09/17/objectivist-writer-trig-palin-financial-burden-who-should-have-been-abo).
Provenzo is a schmuck.

Provenzo is a schmuck.

No argument there.

Hello again, tom:

Nobody is saying she shouldn't cash in. They're just saying there are downsides to doing so. Did Carter or Clintoon's daughter cash in??? Noooo, they didn't...

excon
Exactly!

Tom, Carter & Cintoon's daughters were under the media's scrutiny while their fathers were in office as POTUS. They never had a choice in the matter. We hear about them from time to time but they certainly weren't/aren't reality TV stars. If Sarah gets voted into that position, I will more than likely come to the defense of her children. Right now, everything is of their own making. As a caring person I can be concerned for the young woman's welfare but I can't feel sorry for anyone who has purposefully jockeyed themselves into the spotlight.

Add Andrew Sullivan to that list

Just thought I'd throw this in here for y'all to have a read: BBC News - Will Sarah Palin run for president? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11816590)

Personally, I believe that if Mrs Palin ever became President then the USA would become an even bigger laughing stock on the International Stage then it already is.

Sort of like your aircraft carriers ? So Ben... where is that bust of Churchill being displayed these days ?

We don't have Aircraft carriers anymore as we don't have any planes that can fly off them ;)

Lol I wonder if you could defend the Falklands today.

Anyway... today Palin's 2nd autobiographical book is published. By current standards, that makes her qualified to be the President.

But I kind of like her in her role as the new Will Rogers .

Tom, You don't need an Aircraft carrier to defend an Island, that's why we've traded ours in ;)

What's her second book called, Advanced Colouring By Numbers...

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
Amazon.com: America by Heart : Reflections on Family, Faith, and Flag (9780062010964): Sarah Palin: Books (http://www.amazon.com/America-Heart-Reflections-Family-Faith/dp/0062010964)

Thing there's a slight Typo there Tom, it should read


Rule, Britannia! Britannia, ruled the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.

Death Threats Targeting Bristol Palin, Mark Ballas (http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/22/death-threats-bristol-palin-mark-ballas-dancing-with-the-stars-security-letter-white-power/)

They didn't bargain for that.

That's the same event you posted days ago.

They didn't bargain for that.Hello again, Steve:

No, they didn't. It's ugly out there, make no mistake about it. But, your wide eyed bewilderment about why people could DO such a dastardly thing to poor innocent Bristol Palin, rings hollow. Your outrage ignores the hatred being fomented by Sarah Palin supporters like Glenn Beck.

excon

a) I didn't post the story and it was about a single "threatening letter," not multiple "death" threats.

b) There is no "wide eyed bewilderment" involved and Glenn Beck isn't issuing death threats as far as I know.

c) There is no partisanship on my part. I don't care who it is, threats on your life shouldn't be the cost of fame.

*nods head* Uh huh. Sarah didn't have a clue her daughter might have a huge target on her back. :rolleyes:

This was reported back in March. I am sure there have been other less public threats since she first showed up on the general public's radar Left wing extremist issues death threats against Sarah Palin, Tea Party members and Eric Cantor on Twitter : Fire Andrea Mitchell! (http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2010/03/25/left-wing-extremist-issues-death-threats-against-sarah-palin-tea-party-members-and-eric-cantor-on-twitter/)

Fantasyland, Alaska must be a wonderful place to live. Now Mama Grizzly is suggesting DWTS approach Christine O'Donnell for their next season. Sarah Palin wants Christine O'Donnell on next 'Dancing With the Stars' | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment (http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/sarah-palin-wants-christine-odonnell-on-next-dancing-with-the-stars/)


Steve, I agree "threats on your life shouldn't be the cost of fame." However, there just is no getting around the fact that they are and Mrs. Palin has been well aware of it for quite a while.

The Palins in the 1st episode of their show conceded that they had a target on their back and were willing to take it.

It is one thing for her to place herself in jeopardy and entirely another for her to place her daughter in that situation. There has never been any doubt in my mind that Bristol was encouraged by her mother to join DWTS. If Mom was against it, the daughter would not have joined the cast. Mrs. Palin's attendance front and center is enough of a confirmation for me. This has been and will continue to be all about Mom and her political ambitions.

Tom, you may think of her as a modern day Will Rogers but I don't think she is as politically astute or as quick witted as that man was. She is quick and can be charming at times, but In my opinion she can't hold a candle to Will Rogers.

I believe this entire media storm she has created won't give her the overwhelming public approval she believes it will. I guess time will tell. ;)

Hello again:

Couple things. I'm unbelievably impressed with the way Sarah Palin has promoted her brand, is getting rich, and is setting herself up to be elected president. That's pretty good for a mom from Wassila. Liberal's ALWAYS root for the underdog.

I just watched Bristol Palin dance. I was very impressed. No, she's not the best dancer, but she IS a trooper. She's a typical underdog, so of course, I love her.

excon

JAL only Mark Twain lights a candle to Willomania when it comes to genuine Americana .But tell me who else comes close in the 21st century .

I envision Rogers in the 21st century tweeting the quotes he is famous for... saying what people are thinking. Like I mentioned earlier ,her contribution to the national lexicon has been impressive in her short time on the stage.

Tom, I see your point. But the century is still young! LOL!

Excon, I mentioned in an earlier post that I think she is a shrewd business woman when you called her dumb. You are evidence that her plan is working. In addition to the things you mentioned, people are falling in love with her charming personality, along with her poor lamb of a daughter who has been treated so shabbily by the media and others. The Bible belt and middle America are now closer to forgiving Bristol for having a child out of wedlock since Sarah is part of the family values team they always back. Her "Alaska" show will help to cement America's love for Sarah Palin and her family. But, I don't believe it will be enough for her to win the primary or the Presidency in 2012. AND, I "betcha" you will be very glad for that.

All I know is DWTS is saved since Bristol only came in 3rd (I voted for the winner, Jennifer Grey).

Today's episode of The View featured all three winning couples doing very lively dances. Bristol looked much more relaxed and did a good job.

People seriously consider THIS presidential material!!

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More coverage here: Sarah Palin calls for US to stand by North Korea ? The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/25/palin_north_korea/)
My fave part is this


The Tea Party's favourite cupcake showed exactly what she'd do, i.e. engage mouth and let rip before taking her foot off the brain brake.

I wonder if all 57 States will stand by our North Korean allies ?

It's that slip of the tongue thingy that is ignored by partisans when their person does it. The difference of course is that when a Democrat does it ;it isn't picked up by major news outlets .
Sarah Palin North Korea Gaffe on Glenn Beck Show - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palin-north-korea-gaffe-glenn-beck-show/story?id=12242889)

Of course if Jimmy Carter was President then the NORKS would be our allies and South Korea the enemy.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-spine/79455/jimmy-carter-korean-communist-dupe

Her comments about the current administration's timid response to the NORK provocations is right on.

(edit) by the way... the current POTUS's adm conducted peace negotiations and paid a fortune to a presumed Taliban who turned out to be an imposter. So who is scarier behind the wheel ?

I wonder if all 57 States will stand by our North Korean allies ?

It's that slip of the tongue thingy that is ignored by partisans when their person does it. The difference of course is that when a Democrat does it ;it isn't picked up by major news outlets .
Sarah Palin North Korea Gaffe on Glenn Beck Show - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sarah-palin-north-korea-gaffe-glenn-beck-show/story?id=12242889)

Of course if Jimmy Carter was President then the NORKS would be our allies and South Korea the enemy.
Jimmy Carter, Korean Communist Dupe | The New Republic (http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-spine/79455/jimmy-carter-korean-communist-dupe)

Her comments about the current administration's timid response to the NORK provocations is right on.

(edit) btw ....the current POTUS's adm conducted peace negotiations and paid a fortune to a presumed Taliban who turned out to be an imposter. So who is scarier behind the wheel ?


Hi Tom,

A question on context. I was wondering what Palin's poor geographical knowledge has to do with Carter's 'support' for North Korea?

Regards

Tut

You mean her slip of the tongue?Not much except Carter is going all over the country shilling for the Kim regime ,as he does most despots in the world.

He ,for some oddity, is considered a voice of reason ;and he has the credentials because the American electorate foolishly chose him, in a moment of insanity, to become President.

I'd say his dangerous appeasing positions are far more harmful to the country than a momentary gaffe. Yet the same people who would mock Palin for this moment would also adopt Carter's foreign policies ,and in fact,have thrust him back onto the world stage often in the last 30 years as a representative of the country.

I'd say his dangerous appeasing positions are far more harmful to the country
How?

Did you actually read the Post article or just the righty spin?

How?

Did you actually read the Post article or just the righty spin?



The article is a poor one.

It denounces Carter because of his circumstances. Because he is "a Korean Communist Dupe" We cannot believe anything he says.

I don't see the point in accusing Carter "asserting" and "reasserting" (presumably, Carter lacks proof) and then committing exactly the same fallacy by claiming that historically Carter fits into the mold of people who have argued for the good intention of Marxist tyrannies.

Tut

The New Republic is not a righty publication ;and for the record yes I did read the Compost op-ed... not that that is relevant... I don't need to read his drivel to know that he blames the U.S.

The facts are that the NORKS have moved the red line for over 15 years regarding proliferation and aggressive provocations . People like Carter and especially Carter have argued a straight line appeasement policy ;so the NORKs read the reaction as weakness ,and move the red line further. It is no mistake that this attack occurred a week after they revealed their latest proliferation violation.. This also comes in the wake of Kim elevating his son to the rank of General in anticipation of the coming succession to power. We now know that the Kims visited the base where the attack came from last week so the timing is not a response to some ROK action as they claim ,but outright aggression .

Here is Palin's Facebook Thanksgiving Greeting using Obama's many gaffes .

My fellow Americans in all 57 states, the time has changed for come. With our country founded more than 20 centuries ago, we have much to celebrate – from the FBI's 100 days to the reforms that bring greater inefficiencies to our health care system. We know that countries like Europe are willing to stand with us in our fight to halt the rise of privacy, and Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. And let's face it, everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma and they end up taking up a hospital bed. It costs, when, if you, they just gave, you gave them treatment early, and they got some treatment, and ah, a breathalyzer, or an inhalator. I mean, not a breathalyzer, ah, I don't know what the term is in Austrian for that…
A Thanksgiving Message to All 57 States | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=463364218434)
She links to the Youtube videos of each for reference. And of course it did make it on Youtube .
But the difference of course is the media didn't consider them newsworthy . Nor were they used as illustrations of his fitness for office.

Here's the thing Sarah. Everyone pretty much recognizes that the mistakes that Obama and Biden made were just gaffes or misstatements due to being on the campaign trail for a long time. That is why those stories were not newsworthy for the legitimate news outlets. In your case, however, what you said is worth reporting because everyone thinks that there is a distinct possibility that you actually believe that we are aligned with North Korea.

Plus this is the type of response that you'd expect from your 6th grade niece on her Facebook page...

Why does this unemployed quitter get so much play from the right, I don't get it.

Hello:

I must agree with my northern friend... Sometimes I misspeak - but, not because I'm stupid. Sometimes others misspeak, too, because they ARE stupid. I can tell the difference.

You can't, can you?? Poor fellows.

excon

But those are the same bs claims the left makes regardless of the Republican that misspeaks . Recall the ridicule that Dan Quayle still gets over the misspell of a word.

You know what I think ? If she was a Democrat man her story would be Capraesque ;a 21st century version of 'Mr Smith Goes to Washington' .

Recall the ridicule that Dan Quayle still gets over the misspell of a word.

If she was a Democrat man her story would be Capraesque ;a 21st century version of 'Mr Smith Goes to Washington' .Hello again, tom:

Couple things... You're right. We'd LOVE to have a Sarah Palin on our side. But, the ridicule Dan Quayle received was richly deserved.

Quayle, however, wasn't smart enough to take advantage of his stupidity. Sarah is. She's made being ignorant, a political advantage... That's pretty smart, really...

excon