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tomder55
Sep 30, 2010, 04:55 PM
Somali pirates captured and released by Russian navy 'have died' - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/piracy/7713375/Somali-pirates-captured-and-released-by-Russian-navy-have-died.html)
we don't need no stinkin Gitmo

donf
Sep 30, 2010, 05:24 PM
And that's a problem because?

paraclete
Sep 30, 2010, 07:05 PM
This is a somewhat old story, we don't want to be discussing yesterday's news Tom. Having said that I think the Russians have the right idea. There has been only one answer to pirates for centuries and we should answer terrorists in the same way. Summary execution, in that way the rule of law will be returned

Have you noticed there have been fewer stories of pirates capturing vessels since this event? Did the russians just happen to execute the most active group, or have the pirates found a less hazardous occupation?

tomder55
Sep 30, 2010, 07:36 PM
There were incidences last week off Somalia . Earlier this month I posted about a US Marine Transport that went pirate hunting... and there was an incident yesterday where Mexican pirates murdered an American on Falcon Lake on the Rio Grande .

paraclete
Sep 30, 2010, 08:46 PM
A little home grown terrorism there, pirates on the Rio Grande, sounds almost romantic, better call Zorro out of retirement

tomder55
Oct 13, 2010, 02:20 AM
A Mexican police commander investigating the Falcon Lake piracy murder was assassinated .His decapitated head was found in a suitcase .
Sheriff says Mexican investigator was decapitated | cleveland.com (http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/index.ssf/story/sheriff-says-mexican-investigator-was-decapitated/bb683b5ef4f34913a11125538669566e)

paraclete
Oct 13, 2010, 03:47 AM
And this has to do what with Somalian Pirates? Perhaps it has to do with Mexican Pirates on the Rio Grande? Did their boat inexplicably sink? Still waiting for Zorro or are you out of superheroes over there?

smoothy
Oct 13, 2010, 04:51 AM
You would think a good Pirate would know how to swim. Hey... boats sometimes sink... sometimes with good people aboard... sometimes with wastes of human flesh like this time.

excon
Oct 13, 2010, 07:13 AM
A Mexican police commander investigating the Falcon Lake piracy murder was assassinated . His decapitated head was found in a suitcase.Hello tom:

The AMAZING thing about this, is that the cops will wrinkle up their noses, and scratch their heads, and wonder WHY those Mexicans are doing this stuff, all the while prosecuting their OWN version of the drug war at home, and NEVER connecting the two...

Same thing about droning the Muslims... When they take exception to it, and try to drone us, you wrinkle up your noses, scratch your heads, and say they hate us for our freedoms... Yeah, that's it...

Dudes... If your silliness wasn't so dangerous to the world, I'd be laughing right along with you.

excon

tomder55
Oct 13, 2010, 07:19 AM
Finally admitting the link between the narco-gangs and Jihadistan ? And you say there is no reason to secure the border.

paraclete
Oct 13, 2010, 03:52 PM
Finally admitting the link between the narco-gangs and Jihadistan ? And you say there is no reason to secure the border.

A narco is a criminal whether he is a muslim or not, there is a remarkable similarity in behaviour between terrorists, jihadists and the narco gangs of the americas, if you didn't know better you might think they had all read from the same book, but Tom, remember, they grow poppies in Afghanistan and coca in the Americas for the same purpose

excon
Oct 14, 2010, 09:07 AM
Finally admitting the link between the narco-gangs and Jihadistan ?Hello tom:

Not really... The narco's don't hate us for our freedoms. In fact, they LOVE us for our freedoms... It makes their product VERY, VERY valuable.. Plus, I don't recall them blowing up buildings, and things... The terrorists, on the other hand, don't want to make money. They're just pissed at what we're doing to them...

No, I really DON'T see a similarity... I DO, however, see a similarity in our reaction to them... We look around - see what's NOT working, and DO MORE of that...

The similarities are obvious. Both wars rely upon cartoon depictions of scary villains (The Drug Kingpin, Mexican Cartels, the Terrorist Mastermind). This to keep the population in a state of heightened fear and thus blind us to rational discourse. But both wars are not only complete FAILURES in eradicating those villains, but they both do MORE to empower those very villains than any other single cause - the War on Drugs by ensuring that cartels' profits remain sky-high, and the War on Terror by ensuring more and more support and recruits for anti-American extremists. And both, separately and together, endlessly erode basic American liberties by convincing a frightened public that they can stay safe only if they cede more and more power to the state. Many of the civil liberties erosions from the War on Terror have their genesis in the War on Drugs.

The most important commonality between these two wars is that they continue - and will continue - for reasons having NOTHING to do with their stated justifications. Both wars ensure an unlimited stream of massive amounts of money into the private war-making industries and police forces which fuel them. By itself, the increasingly privatized American prison industry - fed a constant stream of human beings to be warehoused - is OBSCENELY profitable. Add to these powerful profit centers the fear that politicians have of being perceived as abandoning any war before it is "won," and these two intrinsically unwinnable wars - unwinnable by DESIGN - seem destined to endure forever.

It's the perfect deceit. These wars, in an endless loop, sustain and strengthen the very menaces which, in turn, strengthen and sustain their continuous escalation. These wars MANUFACTURE the very dangers they are ostensibly designed to combat. Meanwhile, the industries which fight them become richer and richer. The political officials those industries own become more and more powerful. Brutal drug cartels monopolize an unimaginably profitable, no-competition industry, while Terrorists are continuously supplied the perfect rationale for persauding huge numbers of otherwise unsympathetic people to join them or support them.

Everyone wins - except for ordinary citizens like you and me, who become poorer and poorer, more and more imprisoned, meeker and meeker, and less and less free.

excon

tomder55
Oct 14, 2010, 10:12 AM
Add to these powerful profit centers the fear that politicians have of being perceived as abandoning any war before it is "won," and these two intrinsically unwinnable wars - unwinnable by DESIGN - seem destined to endure forever.

It's the perfect deceit. These wars, in an endless loop, sustain and strengthen the very menaces which, in turn, strengthen and sustain their continuous escalation. These wars MANUFACTURE the very dangers they are ostensibly designed to combat. Meanwhile, the industries which fight them become richer and richer. The political officials those industries own become more and more powerful.


For a minute there I thought you were talking about the war on poverty.

tomder55
Oct 14, 2010, 05:04 PM
The narco's don't hate us for our freedoms. In fact, they LOVE us for our freedoms... It makes their product VERY, VERY valuable.. Plus, I don't recall them blowing up buildings, and things...

They love our freedoms so much that they murdered a guy on a jet ski and chased his wife all the way back to the American shores .

Yes keep defending them . The truth is that if their product was legal here they would still be criminals. The mafia did not go away when prohibition ended . There are merchants all over the neighborhoods here that pay "protection " money to mobsters .Maybe these gangsters are into gambling... States are tripping over each other making gambling legal and the mobsters doing illegal gambling still exists and thrive .

Tobacco is legal /regulated and taxed to death (as is the so called solution to the drug problems ) ,and it still hasn't stopped the illegal trafficking of the product .
Obviously the easy answer to criminal activity is to surrender to it. If everything is legal than quid pro quo nothing is illegal .