What does tearing pages out of it do?

It's a bizzaire but predictable twist that the promised burning of the quoran didn't take place but others thought to rip pages out of the quoran to demonstrate their anger. So can we say that those who tore the pages are unconcerned about a heightened threat of Muslim militantism or is it that political correctness has, at last, met its match ?

Islamic idiocy was at play without Korans being burned... and burning them, tearing them up or using pages from them to wipe the feces from ones Butt after deficating ( I like that idea even better than burning it, as you get a longer lasting satisfaction) won't change these idiots one iota.

Its just a lame excuse to shoot off their mouths.

THEY started this... THEY are the ones to make the first step of showing respect towards non-muslims. And I think Churches and Temples in Mecca and Medina both are a good place to start. With Saudi Arabia and other muslims funding their construction.

Islamic idiocy .

Are you suggesting it was Muslims who tore the Quoran?

No, there was a different form of idiocy at play. The form of idiocy that can give offence to millions but avoid contravening some city ordinance.

It does no good to propose solutions which will only antagonise. It is time stop defining freedom as the ability to do anything and start defining it in terms of common sense and respect. The Muslims lack respect in their proposal to build a mosque, by whatever name, a mosque after all is just a prayer room, at ground zero, a place that people have heightened emotions about, and those who tore the Quoran lack respect.

This problem is beginning to escalate and give militants the excuse they are looking for

They offended US and killed numerous times over the years before Military action was taken against them.

9/11 was a HUGE offence they have not paid penance for yet.

Far too many Islamic countries and many , many millions of Muslims celbrated it and supported it. IF you had a TV and watched it then you saw many examples of celebrations in the streets by brain damaged Muslims... and a LARGE percentage of Imams support this sort of thing to give a free pass to ANY muslims... after all its OUR right and OUR choice. WHere was the mass killings of Imams that supported radical Islam? I haven't seen or heard about it? I'm still waiting for it in fact. IF in fact most Muslims didn't support the lunatic element they would do just that.

Escalate what? Escalate FROM what?

Personally, we haven't killed nearly enough yet to satisfy me...

When 1,000 muslims have died for every single individual that died on 9/11 or was injured in some way... THEN we can talk about WHO escalated what.

In its 1,300 years of existence, exectly WHEN what Islam ever peaceful?

When 1,000 muslims have died for every single individual that died on 9/11 or was injured in some way
That's already happened.

That's already happened.

Prove it... and I don't accept claims by Muslim associated groups as being valid.



The initial numbers are indelible: 8:46 a.m. and 9:02 a.m. Time the burning towers stood: 56 minutes and 102 minutes. Time they took to fall: 12 seconds. From there, they ripple out.


•Total number killed in attacks (official figure as of 9/5/02): 2,819

•Number of firefighters and paramedics killed: 343

•Number of NYPD officers: 23

•Number of Port Authority police officers: 37

•Number of WTC companies that lost people: 60

•Number of employees who died in Tower One: 1,402

•Number of employees who died in Tower Two: 614

•Number of employees lost at Cantor Fitzgerald: 658

•Number of U.S. troops killed in Operation Enduring Freedom: 22

•Number of nations whose citizens were killed in attacks: 115

•Ratio of men to women who died: 3:1

•Age of the greatest number who died: between 35 and 39

•Bodies found "intact": 289

•Body parts found: 19,858

•Number of families who got no remains: 1,717

•Estimated units of blood donated to the New York Blood Center: 36,000

•Total units of donated blood actually used: 258

•Number of people who lost a spouse or partner in the attacks: 1,609

•Estimated number of children who lost a parent: 3,051

•Percentage of Americans who knew someone hurt or killed in the attacks: 20

•FDNY retirements, January–July 2001: 274

•FDNY retirements, January–July 2002: 661

•Number of firefighters on leave for respiratory problems by January 2002: 300

•Number of funerals attended by Rudy Giuliani in 2001: 200

•Number of FDNY vehicles destroyed: 98

•Tons of debris removed from site: 1,506,124

•Days fires continued to burn after the attack: 99

•Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100

•Days the New York Stock Exchange was closed: 6

•Point drop in the Dow Jones industrial average when the NYSE reopened: 684.81

•Days after 9/11 that the U.S. began bombing Afghanistan: 26

•Total number of hate crimes reported to the Council on American-Islamic Relations nationwide since 9/11: 1,714

•Economic loss to New York in month following the attacks: $105 billion

•Estimated cost of cleanup: $600 million

•Total FEMA money spent on the emergency: $970 million

•Estimated amount donated to 9/11 charities: $1.4 billion

•Estimated amount of insurance paid worldwide related to 9/11: $40.2 billion

•Estimated amount of money needed to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $7.5 billion

•Amount of money recently granted by U.S. government to overhaul lower-Manhattan subways: $4.55 billion

•Estimated amount of money raised for funds dedicated to NYPD and FDNY families: $500 million

•Percentage of total charity money raised going to FDNY and NYPD families: 25

•Average benefit already received by each FDNY and NYPD widow: $1 million

•Percentage increase in law-school applications from 2001 to 2002: 17.9

•Percentage increase in Peace Corps applications from 2001 to 2002: 40

•Percentage increase in CIA applications from 2001 to 2002: 50

•Number of songs Clear Channel Radio considered "inappropriate" to play after 9/11: 150

•Number of mentions of 9/11 at the Oscars: 26

•Apartments in lower Manhattan eligible for asbestos cleanup: 30,000

•Number of apartments whose residents have requested cleanup and testing: 4,110

•Number of Americans who changed their 2001 holiday-travel plans from plane to train or car: 1.4 million

•Estimated number of New Yorkers suffering from post-traumatic-stress disorder as a result of 9/11: 422,000

September 11 by Numbers (http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/1year/numbers.htm)



Total those numbers of injured and killed and multiply the resulting sum by 1,000

And I do mean ALL injured people as well as those killed... not just those killed outright.


And Islamic nations and Mosques have reimbured the USA and the people effected by their followers exactly HOW MUCH so far... Because I'M still waiting on my money... and I don't want a dime from the USA... Islam owes it to me.

Because one hell of a lot more Muslims are going to die before I get my pound of flesh for them trying to kill me... and yeah, its personal, really, really personal.

I rarely hold a grudge... but this is an exception... when I hold one... I can hold it for a very, very long time.

16,000 during the invasion of Iraq, and at least 100,000 during the occupation.

The United States invaded a country that had not attacked us, dismantled its regime, and took hardly any precautions to prevent the (predictable) outbreak of violence. Having uncapped the volcano, we are not at all blameless.

Now subtract the numbers of Iraqis killed by Iraqis or jihadists .

16,000 during the invasion of Iraq, and at least 100,000 during the occupation.

The United States invaded a country that had not attacked us, dismantled its regime, and took hardly any precautions to prevent the (predictable) outbreak of violence. Having uncapped the volcano, we are not at all blameless.

No proof of those numbers claims... and even if those were true... it still isn't nearly enough.

Can you comprehend what a CEASE FIRE AGREEMENT is? Its pretty darn clear you don't... because we didn't invade ANY innocent Country. PEROID. THose are typical Democrat Talking points issued by idiots that can't understand military things (usually democrats but a few republicans as well)... one of them what a cease fire is... and what violates them and what can happen when one does violate it too many times.


We had EVERY right to go in when we did... because Saddam the Headless Buffoon, got exactly what he was asking for repeatedly since he begged for a Cease fire to save his sorry butt. And suitibly got his head popped off like a cheap doll.

Here.. since you don't believe there was ever a cease fire agreement, nor that Iraq had a LONG list of conditions they were REQUIRED to honor... here is the UN brokered Cease Fire agreement.

http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0687.htm

They offended US and killed numerous times over the years before Military action was taken against them.
9/11 was a HUGE offence they have not paid penance for yet.

WHO HAS TO PAY THIS PENANCE YOU IMPOSED?

I would have thought that US bombing of Al Qaeda and the Taliban might than been recompense in kind. How many of them were killed? To want 1000 times revenge is just not reasonable, it's insane.

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Far too many Islamic countries and many , many millions of Muslims celbrated it and supported it. IF you had a TV and watched it then you saw many examples of celebrations in the streets by brain damaged Muslims... and a LARGE percentage of Imams support this sort of thing to give a free pass to ANY muslims... after all its OUR right and OUR choice. WHere was the mass killings of Imams that supported radical Islam? I haven't seen or heard about it? I'm still waiting for it in fact. IF in fact most Muslims didn't support the lunatic element they would do just that.

So, you think that every person who ever expressed a radical thought or followed an idiot leader should be exterminated? By your standard, every german and japanese should have been exterminated in WWII and now Pakistan and Afghanistan should be wiped off the map because radicals live there. Would it surprise you that you are expressing the same sentiments as radical islam, those who are not with you are against you and should be eliminated.

Those who celebrated, the Palestinians and Iranians, are nuts anyway and deserve what they get, but they are minority even in Islam. Can you blame uneducted people for the rubbish their leaders teach them when even educated people have fallen for the same sort of rubbish?

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Personally, we haven't killed nearly enough yet to satisfy me...

When 1,000 muslims have died for every single individual that died on 9/11 or was injured in some way... THEN we can talk about WHO escalated what.

I begin to think you are seriously deranged and should seek help

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In its 1,300 years of existence, exectly WHEN what Islam ever peaceful?

It's 1400 years and some parts of Islam have been peaceful. Not the Arabian branch, I agree, they have been very radical, and essentially we have them to thank for the present situation, but have you observed that they haven't discriminated they have done to their own what they have done to you

WHO HAS TO PAY THIS PENANCE YOU IMPOSED?

I would have thought that US bombing of Al Qaeda and the Taliban might than been recompense in kind. How many of them were killed? to want 1000 times revenge is just not reasonable, it's insane.

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So, you think that every person who ever expressed a radical thought or followed an idiot leader should be exterminated? By your standard, every german and japanese should have been exterminated in WWII and now Pakistan and Afghanistan should be wiped off the map because radicals live there. Would it suprise you that you are expressing the same sentiments as radical islam, those who are not with you are against you and should be eliminated. ?

Those who celebrated, the Palistinians and Iranians, are nuts anyway and deserve what they get, but they are minority even in Islam. Can you blame uneducted people for the rubbish their leaders teach them when even educated people have fallen for the same sort of rubbish?

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I begin to think you are seriously deranged and should seek help

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it's 1400 years and some parts of Islam have been peaceful. Not the Arabian branch, I agree, they have been very radical, and essentially we have them to thank for the present situation, but have you observed that they haven't discriminated they have done to their own what they have done to you

You Don't Determine what does and doesn't count as compensation by Islamic nuts. Americans do... Specifically Americans Directly affected on 9/11.

Muslims and Islamic Countries OWE that pennance... they haven't exicuted a single pro radical Imam, but killed plenty of women for stupid stuff... not to mention all of their violations of international law pertaining to terrorism and support of terrorism. Hamas and Hezbolah are just to recurring examples of many.

Islam has no concept of peacefulness... they have no concept of right and wrong. THey think they are superiour to all other non-muslims... yet manage to maintain a 7th century mindset and haven't progressed intellectually as a group in 1,300 years.


I think you are aterrorist lover... Muslims attacked us... everyone they killed on 9/11 were civilians. Everyone they effected on 9/11 were Civilians... and YOU have the balls to defend them? THAT is what is derainged.

Tell that to Isreal... tell that to every place Islam conguered and subdued by force... if you actually studied History you would know this. Islam has never been peacefull to non-muslims... EVER.

I'll be happy if I personally get to cut the gonads and tongues off 100 Imams with a rusty knife and nothing to dull the pain.


When someone attempts to kill you and fails... THEN you might be able to grasp the concept of retribution.

Jesus may have turned the other cheek... but I'm not Jesus, and I want my due.

You Don't Determine what does and doesn't count as compensation by Islamic nuts. Americans do....Specifically Americans Directly affected on 9/11.

Muslims and Islamic Countries OWE that pennance....they haven't exicuted a single pro radical Imam, but killed plenty of women for stupid stuff....not to mention all of their violations of international law pertaining to terrorism and support of terrorism. Hamas and Hezbolah are just to recurring examples of many.

Islam has no concept of peacefulness....they have no concept of right and wrong. THey think they are superiour to all other non-muslims....yet manage to maintain a 7th century mindset and haven't progressed intellectually as a group in 1,300 years.


I think you are aterrorist lover......Muslims attacked us...everyone they killed on 9/11 were civilians. Everyone they effected on 9/11 were Civilians....and YOU have the balls to defend them? THAT is what is derainged.

Tell that to Isreal....tell that to every place Islam conguered and subdued by force.....if you actually studied History you would know this. Islam has never been peacefull to non-muslims.......EVER.

I'll be happy if I personally get to cut the gonads and tongues off 100 Imams with a rusty knife and nothing to dull the pain.

When someone attempts to kill you and fails........THEN you might be able to grasp the concept of retribution.

Jesus may have turned the other cheek.....but I'm not Jesus, and I want my due.

As I said you have some serious problems, yes the muslims attacked the symbol of US imperialism, the Trade Centre, they did it on more than one occasion and they intended to cause maximum damage and if possible financially destroy your nation. Your problem is your pride has been hurt because they succeeded in demolishing your symbol of superiority

I don't love terrorists, I deplore what they do, and have been castigated more than once for a poor attitude towards Muslims, but I know that large numbers of Muslim deaths will solve nothing. The Attack on Iraq by the US killed thousands of Muslims who were not involved in the 9/11 attacks, now what if those people demanded the same penance as you do, I doubt there is sufficient population in america to meet the price, that is how ridiculous your statement is.

You will not change their seventh century mindset by attacking them. All you do is prove what they think of you. The appropriate response was destruction of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and you have achieved that

I have problems because I feel I have a RIGHT to justice.

I suppose you tell molested children to "get over it"?

After all, They unlike most victims of Islam... will have the rest of their lives to remember someone told them to "Get over it"... while most victims of Islam are dead.


I'd LOVE to hear your justifications for defending Islam, is it because you worship the same child molester they do?

George Bush really hit the nail on the head when he said you are either with us or you are against us. There is no middle ground when Islam and its institutional support of terrorism is involved.

So... killing off the Islamic Radicals accomplishes nothing?

I suppose you oppose the death penalty too?

How many exicuted criminals ever repeat their crime.

How many Dead Islamic nutcases ever kill or opress another person?

The answer to both above questions are NONE... because they are dead... out of the human gene pool permanently.

I suppose the FACT that most problems in the world onvoling a Muslim have no bearings on the mindset Islam taeaches to these idiots... and look at ALL the trouble spots where Muslims are involved around the world... THEY are the ones that instigate it.

And I am NOT a believer in rolling over and submitting to that scum. Because THAT is the only alternative to killing them. They won't stop killing others.

Islamic nuts have no respect for the rest of the world, none at all.

THey certainly have no respect for those afraid to fight them.

And incidentally... it isn't over as long as Islam opresses anyone anyplace in the world.


IRAN, then you have Hezbolah... Islamic Terrorists, Hamas---more Islamic Terrorists...

Sudan... Islamic Terrorists, Somolia -- Islamic Terrorists...

THe Child molestors that want to build a Victory Mosque at ground zero - Islamic Terrorists.

I really don't give a damn what they think of me... at least they know I'm not afraid of them... at least they aren't thinking look at this other wussy that doesn't have the gonads to defend what he believes is right.


And you are aware most of what Islam tells the Western world is not what they tell their own people? Being Decietful and a liar is not only allowed but encouraged by Islam.

A point to remember before you believe anything they tell you.

After all, show me any proof they systematically cleaned house and killed the Imamas and radicals among them. If it has EVER happened it's the best kept secret of the last 1,300 years.

I begin to think you are seriously deranged and should seek helpHello clete:

Smoothy's posts, as vile as they are, should serve as a wake up call. He's not like the nut in Florida whom NOBODY agrees with. He's a hater who a LOT of Americans agree with. And, their numbers are increasing every day.

The right wing is fanning the flames for political gain. Newt Gingrich, a fellow who is running for president, introduced his new movie, "America at Risk" (http://gawker.com/5635587/newt-gingrichs-very-scary-movie-warns-this-is-the-end-of-times), by warning us "this is the end of times. This is the final struggle".

Is it any wonder that smoothy and his ilk, are scared?

excon

From a new Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey on religion in America (Statistics on Religion in America Report -- Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life (http://religions.pewforum.org/reports)) --

78.4% Christian

00.6% Muslim

Hello clete:

Smoothy's posts, as vile as they are, should serve as a wake up call. He's not like the nut in Florida whom NOBODY agrees with. He's a hater who a LOT of Americans agree with. And, their numbers are increasing every day.

The right wing is fanning the flames for political gain. Newt Gingrich, a fellow who is running for president, introduced his new movie, "America at Risk" (http://gawker.com/5635587/newt-gingrichs-very-scary-movie-warns-this-is-the-end-of-times), by warning us "this is the end of times. This is the final struggle".

Is it any wonder that smoothy and his ilk, are scared?

excon
Right... you love terrorists and those who support them, THEY define HATE, THEY define Oppression... and I'm the hater.


You know what... if hating Islams oppression and aggression, and Hating their worlwide terrorism campaign makes me a hater... then conversely it make you their dupe for believing their propaganda that 1,300 years of their history, much like Obamas life so far, NOTHING has been their fault.

If we are supposed to be pussies and surrender to terrorists to be Pollitically correct and not offend their delicate sensibilities while they continue to kill innocent people worldwide... just so satisfy some left coast mentality that the USA is at fault for everything... including the Dlack death in the middle ages...

I just have to cordually invite the terrorist appeasers to collectively kiss my butt.

I suppose you would demand the same tollerance to serial child molestors too, because they much like Islamists have never harmed anyone that didn't deserve it by your reckoning?


Exactly WHERE in the world have these Muslims STOPPED their reign of murder and terror? I'm waiting because they are STILL actively killing people everyplace... you know, that same religion that's managed to dupe the left into thinking its really peaceful.

Smoothy I just don't get how islamic militants went from terrorists to child molesters. I expect it is some sort of back handed reference to mudhutmad, but what this has to do with burning the quoran or riping pages out of it is anybody's guess.

Ok I get that you have a problem with muslims, that you are an islamophobe, but can't you see you have become what you hate

Ok I get that you have a problem with muslims
Plus, it gets his mind off all the illegal (Hispanic) immigrants that are overrunning our country.

Or maybe it doesn't.

I wonder if he knows that white males will be a minority in not too many years?

Smoothy I just don't get how islamic militants went from terrorists to child molesters. I expect it is some sort of back handed reference to mudhutmad, but what this has to do with burning the quoran or riping pages out of it is anybody's guess.

Ok I get that you have a problem with muslims, that you are an islamophobe, but can't you see you have become what you hate

Islamist KILL people and you and excon among a minority, what to surrender to them... and give them a free reign to kill and opress.

Child molesters rarely kill anyone so you HAVE to want to give them the same free ride too. After all, their victims survive to grow up.

You are a CHRISTIAN and JEW HATER...

You love terrorists because YOU defend them... there is NO middle ground.

You can surrender to them if you wish... but you have absolutely NO right to demand others surrender to them.

Anyone who aids , hides, funds, or defends terrorists really are no better or different than the terrorists themselves.

And like I said... before... Terrorist lovers and defendors can collectively kiss my butt.

THere are only two sides when it comes to terrorists... and you either want to end their capacity to kill... or you are on their side. There is NO middle ground.

You make your own choice... you either want to help them, or you want to kill them before they kill more.


Only foools think they will listen to a non-muslim, their faith teaches against that. THey are taught to believe all non-muslims are below them on the evolutionary scale. If that concept sounds familiar... The Nazis taught that about the Jews.

Plus, it gets his mind off all the illegal (Hispanic) immigrants that are overrunning our country.

Or maybe it doesn't.

I wonder if he knows that white males will be a minority in not too many years?

We have the guns...

Most liberals don't. Wait until some latinos, rape you and steal your property... then all I can say is we told you so. You will be on your own then.

When you can't get a job because all our illegals flood your states when we kick them out... don't come crying to us... you asked for it.

And we are running the Illegals OUT of our state so those who love them can have THEIR taxes increased to support even more of them in their states, while we lower ours now they aren't leeching our tax dollars. Because none of that support comes free.

I catch anyone stealing my property... they get shot. They won't have a day in court explaining how the laws don't apply to them.

Here is some things on why muslims are looked at differently by the west.

Ref: Not for weak stomachs

Sharia Law (http://www.trosch.org/moh/sharia-law.html)


About sharia law

American Thinker: Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies (http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html)

We have the guns...
Yup. We're NRA members at my house.

Wait until some latinos, rape you and steal your property... then all I can say is we told you so. You will be on your own then.
Thank goodness for the 2nd Amendment.

When you can't get a job because all our illegals flood your states when we kick them out... don't come crying to us... you asked for it.
I'm retired. I'll help them with resumes and do job coaching and will ask for empanadas in exchange.

And we are running the Illegals OUT of our state so those who love them
I'm perfecting my Spanish skills. They're moving in nicely around here and cleaning up some bad (and also rundown) neighborhoods.

I catch anyone stealing my property... they get shot.
I'll remember not to drop in unexpectedly.

We have the guns....

Most liberals don't. Hello again, smoothy:

THIS liberal does. And, THIS liberal isn't intimidated by your threats. I've defended this country before, and I'll do it again. Let's go...

excon

THIS liberal does.
I gots mine ready. And I also gots my dictionary, plus grammar and punctuation books.

I think we need to get a few things straight here, you are sadly mistaken


Islamist KILL people and you and Excon among a minority, what to surrender to them... and give them a free reign to kill and opress..

I don't want to surrender to anyone, and I certainly don't want islamists, muslims, taking over my neighbourhood. I believe Muslims belong in their own place which is the middle east, africa, and not in western countries because they appear to be incapable of assimulation.

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Child molesters rarely kill anyone so you HAVE to want to give them the same free ride too. After all, their victims survive to grow up..

Child molesters are the lowest form of life in my estimation and should be permanently incarcerated since we are unable to execute the biblical judgement on them in this society.. [/QUOTE]

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You are a CHRISTIAN and JEW HATER...

Yes I am a Christian and I don't hate Jews. Israel has a right to exist in peace just as any country does. Having said that, other people have a right to exist in peace too.

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You love terrorists because YOU defend them... there is NO middle ground.

You can surrender to them if you wish... but you have absolutely NO right to demand others surrender to them..

I neither love terrorists or defend them, but I don't descend to using terrorist tactics. Shooting people indiscriminately as you suggest is ridiculous. Troops should be in a position to defend themselves but not to kill civilians on suspicion.

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Anyone who aids , hides, funds, or defends terrorists really are no better or different than the terrorists themselves..

Have I said anything different, they are equally quilty, but pointing out you are over the top isn't defending terrorists, and pointing out that certain policies of your government has created the situation isn't defending terrorists.

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And like I said... before... Terrorist lovers and defendors can collectively kiss my butt..

As we say buddy, up your nose with a rubber hose

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THere are only two sides when it comes to terrorists... and you either want to end their capacity to kill... or you are on their side. There is NO middle ground.

You make your own choice... you either want to help them, or you want to kill them before they kill more..

You and I only disagree as to tactics, you want to take a lot of bystanders with them and perpetuate the war, I don't


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Only foools think they will listen to a non-muslim, their faith teaches against that. THey are taught to believe all non-muslims are below them on the evolutionary scale. If that concept sounds familiar... The Nazis taught that about the Jews.

Now we are getting to the nub of the problem, you are a lot closer to a nazi than you think. You come across as a white supremist, you have just moved muslims into the number one slot you reserved for others. Yes, the muslims are brain-washed, but so are you, buddy, and perhaps you have listened to the german propaganda so long you can't tell when you are using it on others.

The muslims are a fact of life in this world, as long as they stay where they belong, I won't seek to make war on them, but I'm not too sure about you. Forgiveness is an important principle, it sets you free, try it sometime!

Child molesters are the lowest form of life in my estimation and should be permanently incarcerated since we are unable to execute the biblical judgement on them in this society.

Did you happen to look at that first link I posted before? To me that's child molestation too what those idiots are doing to that young child.

Here it is again:

Sharia Law (http://www.trosch.org/moh/sharia-law.html)

Hello, again:

Rightwingers believe that the reason hate is spreading throughout America is because MODERATE Muslims do NOT speak up against Islamofacism. Apparently, if they DON'T speak out against it, YOU believe they're FOR it.

I'm WAITING for any of our resident rightwingers to speak out against smoothy... Tick tock...

excon

\Wait until some latinos, rape you and steal your property.....then all I can say is we told you so. You will be on your own then.

I'm done with smoothy.

My step daughter is latino.

What a piece of S#!t

Did you happen to look at that first link I posted before? To me thats child molestation too what those idiots are doing to that young child.

Here it is again:

Sharia Law (http://www.trosch.org/moh/sharia-law.html)

Sharia law is crap, a system thought up by a desert manic cobbled together from various systems

Hello again, smoothy:

THIS liberal does. And, THIS liberal isn't intimidated by your threats. I've defended this country before, and I'll do it again. Let's go....

excon

Well I'm glad at least YOU believe in the Second amendment rights unlike many of your liberal cohoprts. Now there is a HUGE problem that you support the "RIGHTS" of muslims ,even those who are NOT Americans in Higher regard than Non-Muslim Christian Americans rights.

im done with smoothy.

my step daughter is latino.

what a piece of S#!t

First off, I doubt your stepdaughter is an illegal. And if she is... well, if the shoe fits. And yes... I've distanced myself from people I found out were illegals. And turned them in. All were not Latino, but some were.

The Law is the Law. I spent thousands of dollars and years to get my wife here legally... tough, I have no respect or tolerance for those that think they are above the law and too good to take the time and follow the law... pay the fees and get the permission.

Illegal Latinos Commit a HUGE portion of the crime around here even though they are not a HUGE percentage of the population.

I don't have problems with latinos that followed the law and got their green card legally. I have HUGE problems with those that are here illegally, pay no taxes, drive uninsured without valid driversliscenses, commit all number of crimes... and then have the balls to argue THEY have a right to be here.


Sorry... nobody that was NOT born here has a RIGHT to be here, It's a privlege to be allowed to come here... but this is OUR country, and WE have the right to control who is allowed to come here. Follow the laws, get permission from INS to come here then I and the rest of us are fine with their being here.

If you can't differentiate between the two... then the problem is yours, not mine.

I really hope a MS-13 gang moves into the nieghborhood of ANYONE who thinks everyone from south of Texas has any right to come and go as they please without a green card or Visa, and disrespect our immigration laws. After all, nearly every one of them is here illegally, the left should love them. And none of them are any better than the Islamists. They all want to oppress and kill Americans. And if they aren't already... wait a while , the lefts attitude of look the other way means its going to happen sooner rather than later.

You have tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of Chinese... East Europeans, Indians Pakistanis... that all want to come here... do THEY have any less right to come here than every illegal Latino? If so... you better explain exactly what gives them special rights? And where in the constitution its enumerated as such.

I think we need to get a few things straight here, you are sadly mistaken



I don't want to surrender to anyone, and I certainly don't want islamists, muslims, taking over my neighbourhood. I believe Muslims belong in their own place which is the middle east, africa, and not in western countries because they appear to be incapable of assimulation.

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Child molesters are the lowest form of life in my estimation and should be permanently incarcerated since we are unable to execute the biblical judgement on them in this society..


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Yes I am a Christian and I don't hate Jews. Israel has a right to exist in peace just as any country does. Having said that, other people have a right to exist in peace too.

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I neither love terrorists or defend them, but I don't descend to using terrorist tactics. Shooting people indiscriminately as you suggest is rediculous. Troops should be in a position to defend themselves but not to kill civilians on suspicion.

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have I said anything different, they are equally quilty, but pointing out you are over the top isn't defending terrorists, and pointing out that certain policies of your government has created the situation isn't defending terrorists.

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as we say buddy, up your nose with a rubber hose

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you and I only disagree as to tactics, you want to take a lot of bystanders with them and perpetuate the war, I don't


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Now we are getting to the nub of the problem, you are a lot closer to a nazi than you think. You come across as a white supremist, you have just moved muslims into the number one slot you reserved for others. Yes, the muslims are brain-washed, but so are you, buddy, and perhaps you have listened to the german propoganda so long you can't tell when you are using it on others.

The muslims are a fact of life in this world, as long as they stay where they belong, I won't seek to make war on them, but I'm not too sure about you. Forgiveness is an important principle, it sets you free, try it sometime!

Ok... actually I'm glad you spelled out exactly where you stood, because from my perspective it really wasn't clear based on many of your arguments.

I do live in a place where the Death penalty exists and is used.

And personally... I'm glad it does. It should be used in more cases than it is, (Including repeat Child molestors, Gang related crimes, etc).

And your rants about me being a right wing extremists couldn't be further off base.

I see little difference between the White supremacists, Nation of Islam, Black Panthers and most Muslims... except that most muslims are far more disposed to force THEIR way on others than the Klan or other similar group is.

Funny how the left in general has been assulting the rights of Christians and Jews for decades... and yet at the same time defend Muslims and what they do, and try to do.

They pay OUR tax dollars for the lunatic Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf to go raise money to pay for this Victory Mosque... IN THE MIDDLE EAST, so it isn't even American Muslims paying to build it...

Imam behind support for Ground Zero mosque, Feisal Abdul Rauf may do fundraising on Federally funded trip - NYPOST.com (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/feds_funding_zero_imam_mideast_trip_OTq9dmoHpxbaKv JbB4VLGM)


But let a High school football team have a group prayer THEY lead and let the howling form the left start...

So its fine to waste tax dollars on a Radical Imam... but heaven forbid they do it on a Christian. Or allow Christian Children Celibrate christmas together.

And the problem is Muslims don't want to stay where they belong... they believe it's their right and destiny to force their way on the rest of us. And it's that sad fact that means you can't let you guard down around them. Its true here... Its doubly true in Isreal... and its true in the rest of the world.


If they Muslim world is such a wonderful place why do Muslims want to leave it... now if that was so simple it would be different, but they won't assimulate, worse they want to force their ways on the rest of us... and I say to them, you join our way of living, OUR laws, OUR way of life... or pack your bags and go back to your 7th century world.


We have progressed into the 21st Century here where Sharia isn't wanted... or welcome in "The west".

I'm really not sure what country you live in... I'm sure you have mentioned it before, I just don't remember what it was.

Personally, I disagree with most thing Obama has done or tried to do.

As far as Gitmo detainiees... they should all be taken out and shot. Animals at the Zoo are more civilized than that bunch of degenerates are.

And this is from a personal Friend who was a guard at Gitmo for 2 years. You don't hear in the mass media about what those prisoners are relly like, and what they do.

Tigers at the Zoo have more respect for life than Terrorists at Gitmo do.

In fact, Gitmo terrorists act more like the Monkey house at the zoo than humans... with a propensity to throw Feces, Urine and vomit on a daily basis. Yeah, what a nice bunch of innocent people they are according to the New York Times and Washington comPost.

Man all I see here is an awful lot of howling from the right... jus' sayin'

man all I see here is an awful lot of howling from the right...jus' sayin'

And a lot of terrorist "rights" being defended by the left... just saying.

And a lot of terrorist "rights" being defended by the left......just sayin.
I'm saying look at this forum - it's mostly filled with people from the right bellyaching about something, anything. It isn't the left that's doing all the whining it's the right. Everything offends them!

I'm saying look at thsi forum - it's mostly filled with people from the right bellyaching about something, anything. It isn't the left that's doing all the whining it's the right. Everything offends them!

When did excon become a righty?

When did excon become a righty?Yup, you're correct, he's on his own against you guys.

I'm saying look at thsi forum - it's mostly filled with people from the right bellyaching about something, anything. It isn't the left that's doing all the whining it's the right. Everything offends them!

Really... the left argues terrorist have the right to build memorials to terrorists , burn bibles and kill people unopposed and that's "RIGHT" whining?

the left argues terrorist have the right to build memorials to terrorists , Please show where a liberal on this forum said that.
terrorist have the right to...burn bibles Please show where a liberal on this forum said that.
terrorist have the right to ...kill people unopposed Please show where a liberal on this forum said that.

Rightwingers believe that the reason hate is spreading throughout America is because MODERATE Muslims do NOT speak up against Islamofacism. Apparently, if they DON'T speak out against it, YOU believe they're FOR it.

I'm WAITING for any of our resident rightwingers to speak out against smoothy.... Tick tock...

Tick tock...

excon

Brisbane Lawyer Expects To Be Fired For Burning Koran And Bible (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-atheist-burns-koran-and-bible-20100913-157ao.html?)

A Bribane academic was not content that people in the US had all the fun with the burning Quoran debate, he put his own twist on it and rolled and smoked joints using both the Bible and the Quoran. He said he preferred the Bible and now Muslims are up in arms. Now this is putting US-Australian solidarity at a new level and I ask is he endangering Australian troops by doing this?

Please show where a liberal on this forum said that. Please show where a liberal on this forum said that. Please show where a liberal on this forum said that.

The examples are too numerous to qoute... pages after page after page in fact.

The entire argument defending the Ground Zero Mosque is EXACTLY that. Pick any.

The existing structure at that site was damaged heavily directly BY parts of one of the two jets that hit the WTC towers first (specifically the landing gear). This makes that site ground zero as well.

So much for your argument, Run along now.

So much for your argument, Run along now.

Well, it was a dumb question that would require linking at least 50% of the posts in a thread that was pages long... and you know it.

And the post was about the Memorial Mosque a radical Imam wants to build at ground zero... YOUR arguments about how they had a right to do it was among them.

Rightwingers believe that the reason hate is spreading throughout America is because MODERATE Muslims do NOT speak up against Islamofacism. Apparently, if they DON'T speak out against it, YOU believe they're FOR it.

I'm WAITING for any of our resident rightwingers to speak out against smoothy.... Tick tock...Hello again,

Tick tock...

excon

Yup, you're correct, he's on his own against you guys.

What "you guys?" I am me and me alone and which side is it that you take?

How about speaking out against Liberals that would hand over the USA to Sharia Law by surrendering to the Islamic Terrorists.

YOu either Fight them or subject yourself to their demands... there are no other alternatives.

Wait until they target the west coast... THEN you might understand when it hits close to hiome for you rahter than 5,000 miles away.

5,000 miles away.Hello again, smoothy:

Uhhh... It's 3,000, but don't let facts get in your way.

excon

Brisbane Lawyer Expects To Be Fired For Burning Koran And Bible (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/brisbane-atheist-burns-koran-and-bible-20100913-157ao.html?)

A Bribane academic was not content that people in the US had all the fun with the burning Quoran debate, he put his own twist on it and rolled and smoked joints using both the Bible and the Quoran. He said he preferred the Bible and now Muslims are up in arms. Now this is putting US-Australian solidarity at a new level and I ask is he endangering Australian troops by doing this?

Really... where is this vitriol when it comes to Saudi Arabia and what they do to non-muslims just to single out a single country (they aren't alone in this).

Actually I'm glad that guy did it... maybe you will see the differnce between Muslims and Christians. You won't see the Vatican sending suicide bombers, they might pray for him instead... but listen to the Muslims acting like the lunatics most of them are. And he makes his point very effectively.

Seriously take a step back and read what the reactions were to a stack of paper with words on it.

Tell me that is either rational or reasonible?

See if I wanted to do that, I have a legal right ( I don't however smoke anything, except for certain food items that are tastey smoked), I do not know if in Australia he has the same legal rights granted in your constitution.

My knowledge of the Aussie legal system and the rights one has there are not at all very extensive

Hello again,

Tick tock...

First of all I don't live here so this is the first I've seen your challenge.


Originally Posted by excon View Post
Rightwingers believe that the reason hate is spreading throughout America is because MODERATE Muslims do NOT speak up against Islamofacism.

Who said that? I've never said that. I think most of the hate in this country is on the left. It has little or nothing to do with Muslims, moderate or not.


Apparently, if they DON'T speak out against it, YOU believe they're FOR it.

Don't think I've ever said that either, but silence on Islamic terrorism speaks volumes.


I'm WAITING for any of our resident rightwingers to speak out against smoothy... Tick tock...

You're doing a fine job. I typically don't read his posts but I did call one of his hunts a waste of time (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/bias-left-dominated-media-503825-5.html#post2508121). But you let me know when Smoothy fails to speak out against Christian fascism and I'll say something.

First of all I don't live here so this is the first I've seen your challenge.



Who said that? I've never said that. I think most of the hate in this country is on the left. It has little or nothing to do with Muslims, moderate or not.



Don't think I've ever said that either, but silence on Islamic terrorism speaks volumes.



You're doing a fine job. I typically don't read his posts but I did call one of his hunts a waste of time (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/bias-left-dominated-media-503825-5.html#post2508121). But you let me know when Smoothy fails to speak out against Christian fascism and I'll say something.

Exactly... I have no more tollernace for Louis Farikhan and his followers than I do for the KKK or the Jehovah Witnesses than I do radical Islam.

WHen Christians start sending out suicide bombers like so many Muslim Imams do, I'll be on the forfront of those calling for the end to it.


But the underlying message ex and the left has they won't openly say is summerd up in this quote.

"Freedom of speech for ME, but not for thee"

First of all I don't live here so this is the first I've seen your challenge. Who said that? I've never said that. Hello again, Steve:

Thanks for addressing it.

Nahhh. You didn't say it. But, OTHER rightwingers do - like the LEADERS of your party. Newt, said it on FOX News Sunday. You can see it here. (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/#/v/4336236/newt-gingrich-on-fns/?playlist_id=86913)

Look, it's OK if you want to give smoothy a pass. You are not obligated to defend his craziness - just like the Muslim living on your corner ISN'T obligated to defend craziness, no matter WHAT the Newtster says.

excon

You should know that knowledge of a crime before its committed makes you an accompliss to that crime if you remain silent.

And many muslims are aware of the radical element among them... but choose to remain silent, because they respect the Muslim radical more than any non-muslim that might be harmed.

They are taught this in Islam.

Far more know and stay silent than actually do the right thing and pass on information.

And many people call defending Terrorists, and otehrs who break the laws as craziness. Not those who defend the laws and follow them.

After all, yet again you prove my point that to the core beliefs of the left... nobody has less rights than American Conservatives have.

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My knowledge of the Aussie legal system and the rights one has there are not at all very extensive

Let's see, he doesn't have the right to smoke weed and he has provided video evidence of breaking the law, as far as I know there is no law about burning the Bible or the Quoran in this manner but he has placed the university in disrepute so that would be a breach of contract and if there were riots as a result he might be charged with encitement, etc.

He is fortunate he didn't do it further south or some Muslim idiot might have decided he needed killing.. They have taken it somewhat calmly
We have rights we didn't need to spell out in a Bill of Rights and our Consititution was modelled on yours but with a hundred and twenty years of hindsight, It has rarely been amended

And many people call defending Terrorists, and otehrs who break the laws as craziness.Hello again, smoothy:

The craziness is that you make up stuff as you go along. The craziness is your hate.

We've been here before, though. You are NOT original. But, this is such a great country, that we've overcome your kind of hatred and bigotry before. We've remained an INCLUSIVE nation... We will continue... You are a relic.

excon

Let's see, he doesn't have the right to smoke weed and he has provided video evidence of breaking the law, as far as I know there is no law about burning the Bible or the Quoran in this manner but he has placed the university in disrepute so that would be a breach of contract and if there were riots as a result he might be charged with encitement, etc.

He is fortunate he didn't do it further south or some Muslim idiot might have decided he needed killing..They have taken it somewhat calmly
We have rights we didn't need to spell out in a Bill of Rights and our Consititution was modelled on yours but with a hundred and twenty years of hindsight, It has rarely been amended

If he actually broke laws... then yeah... he might get called on it. If he was a lawyer, he should have known what he could and could not get away with. Unless he really WANTS arrested to make a point in court.

As far as Universities... around here, many are known as hangouts for the lunatic fringe on the left that can't get real jobs. Californias Berkely Campus being #1 on the list.

Can't comment on any Aussie Universities. I really know or have even heard little about any of them.

Problem many on the left tend to forget... freedom of speech doesn't mean they can say anything they want and be free from anyone contradicting them... or be free from hearing viewpoints they might not like.

But there are Laws on the books (here in the USA) about aiding criminal actions... even if prior knowledge of an event that they remained silent about is a crime. People can and have been sent to jail for it.

Funny how the people acting like idiots complaining about someone TALKING about burning a Koran... or in the case you mentioned using pages as a reefer wrapper, were strangely Silent with some loons that Call themselves artists, fashion a Jesus Christ on a Cross from human and animal excrement and urine and call it art... and defend THAT as free speech.

But in the next breath... just talking about burning a book is reprehensible...

And they think they are the only logical people with those thoughts?

Nahhh. You didn't say it. But, OTHER rightwingers do - like the LEADERS of your party. Newt, said it on FOX News Sunday. You can see it here. (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/#/v/4336236/newt-gingrich-on-fns/?playlist_id=86913)

I didn't watch but if the transcript (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday/transcript/newt-gingrich-boosting-economy-and-2010-midterms?page=2) is accurate, and I have no reason to believe it isn't, he said nothing of the sort.


WALLACE: Finally, and we've only got less than two minutes left -- you enjoyed that. It was a pretty funny line.

Let's talk about the mosque near ground zero and the threat to burn Korans this week. You say if the president was willing to call out the pastor about the Korans, he should be willing to call out in equally strong terms the imam about the mosque.

GINGRICH: It doesn't even have to be strong -- but first of all, I'm totally opposed to burning the Koran. I think every religious person should have a deep sense of respect for other people's religious documents and religious symbols just as we were deeply opposed to the Taliban destroying the two historic buddhas which they blew up. So I think we ought to all oppose burning the Koran.

Second, all the president has to do is something mild. He could just say publicly, "They shouldn't build it there." Now, that shouldn't be that painful for him. But the truth is he's unwilling to say that. And that's unfortunate because it's a very bad idea to build that mosque and center that close to ground zero.

And it is the opposite of what Imam Rauf says it is. It is, in fact, an affront to virtually all the families who lost loved ones at 9/11.

WALLACE: Speaker Gingrich, we want to thank you, as always, for coming in and talking with us. Always good to talk to you, sir.

And we want to note the speaker and his wife Calista host a new documentary called "America at Risk: The War With No Name" which can be found at the Website on the screen.

Well? I missed whatever it was he was supposed to have said.


Look, it's OK if you want to give smoothy a pass. You are not obligated to defend his craziness - just like the Muslim living on your corner ISN'T obligated to defend craziness, no matter WHAT the Newtster says.

I would hope the Muslim on the corner isn't obligated to defend craziness, but I do hope he is courageous enough to condemn Islamofascism. And as I said, if Smoothy fails to speak out against Christian fascism you let me know.

Don't think I've ever said that either, but silence on Islamic terrorism speaks volumes.
Well? I missed whatever it was he was supposed to have said.

I would hope the Muslim on the corner isn't obligated to defend craziness, but I do hope he is courageous enough to condemn Islamofascism. And as I said, if Smoothy fails to speak out against Christian fascism you let me know.Hello again, Steve:

You're right. I thought it was Sunday. I was wrong. I'll find it though. I DON'T make up stuff.

I'm bummed that you're not as courageous as you think your Muslim neighbor should be. By the way, if you DIDN'T say it before, you just did. YOUR silence on the issue SPEAKS volumes, too.

excon

Hello again, smoothy:

The craziness is that you make up stuff as you go along. The craziness is your hate.

We've been here before, though. You are NOT original. But, this is such a great country, that we've overcome your kind of hatred and bigotry before. We've remained an INCLUSIVE nation.... We will continue... You are a relic.

excon

You defend illegals that break the laws... you defend terrorists who want to erect a Victory Mosque on ground Zero to honor the 9/11 terrorists, you defend artices that defame Christ with isplays showing him on a Cross fashioned out of excrement and urine... and call that free speech.


But threaten to burn a stack of paper and you like the Muslims go bonkers and you call US crazy? Draw a cartoon of Mohammed and they send the exicution squad to kill you. Yeah... I have trouble grasping how anyone can call THAT normal and reasonible behaviour, and clearly you do it you call US crazy. NO Christian killed that degenerate that created that so called "Art". The same can't be said about the Murdered Cartoonist or Salmon Rusdie who lives in hiding.

Sorry, but your believef might be at home in Berkley or San Francisco, but they are woefully out of tough in most of America.

Bigotry is Islam... Ignorance is refusing to see what Islam stands for and teaches, and has for 1,300 years, its well documented, ignore the lessons of history at your own peril..

You may have a closet Islam Fetish... I however am a Christian and will be until the day I die. And incidentally... I WILL take as many of them out as possible rather than convert by force, which is what they do every place they develop a critical mass. I would rather die a Christian fighting for my beliefs than convert to Islam, either by force or threats of force much less voluntarily.

You again are attacking Christianity while defending Islam and its oppression.

Its Islam that can't peacefully coexist with other faiths... Not Christianity.

I'm bummed that you're not as courageous as you think your Muslim neighbor should be. By the way, if you DIDN'T say it before, you just did. YOUR silence on the issue SPEAKS volumes, too.

Silence on what? I don't know exactlky what you want me to speak out against, but the way you've framed it is, Smoothy doesn't speak out against the flip side of Islamic fascism so I should speak out against Smoothy. I can only assume you're referring to Christian fascism and I was unaware that it was a problem. If it isn't a problem, why should speak out against Smoothy for something for which he has no reason to speak out? See how logical I am?

If on the other hand, you just want me to speak out against bigoted, hateful, so-called Christians like Jones and Phelps I have, I am, and I will continue to do so. Otherwise, I see you and Smoothy handling things just fine between you. If he's THAT bad, I'm sure the mods at AMHD will put an end to it and meanwhile, I'll continue to speak for myself on this particular forum and let others do the same.

Its clear he doesn't believe in the First Amendment rights... he feels they ONLY apply to the left and nobody else has the right to an opinion.

Typical Democrat stratagy. When you lose an argument you pull the race card and start making false claims.

Dan Rather Got caught doing that when George Bush couldn't be caught doing something the left tried to accuse him of... so he created fake evidence and got caught.

Personaly, unlike the lefts stance of "Freedom of speech for me, NOT for thee"... they can rant all they want... I don't try to silence them like they want to silence me. And that's a HUGE difference between us.

People 5,000 miles from ground zero can't possibly understand 9/11 like someone who was there, almost died or saw it with their own eyes WITHOUT a TV or radio that day will.

That's no different than someone "Understanding" what a victim of violent crime or rape feels by watching it on TV.


Sorry... NOT the same thing, TV only conveys images and sound... nobody that wasn't there can understand it the same way someone who was can.

You can't understand Combat like a Veteran does if you only watch war movies either.

I don't try to silence them like they want to silence me.
Who is trying to silence you?

Who is trying to silence you?

Everyone here that's complaining about me having an opinion they don't want to hear.

Everyone here thats complaining about me having an opinion they don't want to hear.
And you want to hear opinions that aren't the same as yours?

You're listening -- and still positing. No one has stopped you.

We're listening -- and still posting. You haven't stopped us.

It's the American way.

Everyone here thats complaining about me having an opinion they don't want to hear.Hello again, smoothy:

You got it WRONG again, but I'm used to that. Nobody is complaining about your opinion. In fact, I'm GLAD you're posting the tripe you post. It shows you for what you really are - a racist. Plus, I agree with you, MOST of America feels the same way you do. I'm also glad that you don't hide. You're right out front with your racism, although you deny that's what it is. But, most people can read...

Now there are some people on the right who say that MODERATE Muslims should speak UP against terrorism, and if they DON'T, the right wingers think they AGREE with the terrorists. So, I thought I would call out the wingers HERE, to see if they'd speak up against your racism, because if one were to use THEIR logic, if one DOESN'T speak out against it, one AGREES with it.

One person did speak out. Good for KP. The rest of them are silent. That's just so. Just as silent as the Muslims THEY think SHOULD be speaking...

Now, I KNOW you aren't going to understand what I just said... That's fine.

excon

And you want to hear opinions that aren't the same as yours?

You're listening -- and still positing. No one has stopped you.

We're listening -- and still posting. You haven't stopped us.

It's the American way.

I wasn't the one complaining someone had an opposing positoion.

Not naming names... but I wasn't the one, wasn't you either. You have to read back through the thread and figure it out.

As far as Universities....around here, many are known as hangouts for the lunatic fringe on the left that can't get real jobs. Californias Berkely Campus being #1 on the list.

Can't comment on any Aussie Universities. I really know or have even heard little about any of them.

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Our Universities, excepting for Sydney or La Trobe, are places for hard working students to get their degrees and get on with it. We don't have the college system you do so our students, excepting for political science, don't get the opportunity to learn to be lay about trouble makers, can't say the same for the lecturers. Our trade union movement appears to be the hangout for the lunatic left thus the reason why so many graduate to become politicians

Hello again, smoothy:

You got it WRONG again, but I'm used to that. Nobody is complaining about your opinion. In fact, I'm GLAD you're posting the tripe you post. It shows you for what you really are - a racist. Plus, I agree with you, MOST of America feels the same way you do. I'm also glad that you don't hide. You're right out front with your racism, although you deny that's what it is. But, most people can read....

Now there are some people on the right who say that MODERATE Muslims should speak UP against terrorism, and if they DON'T, the right wingers think they AGREE with the terrorists. So, I thought I would call out the wingers HERE, to see if they'd speak up against your racism, because if one were to use THEIR logic, if one DOESN'T speak out, one AGREES with it.

One person did speak out. Good for KP. The rest of them are silent. That's just so. Just as silent as the Muslims THEY think SHOULD be speaking...

Now, I KNOW you aren't going to understand what I just said... That's fine.

excon

I'm not the one throwing the race card around like Obama has... or the Democrat party in General.

Oh It's abundently clear what you said... Everyone who has a backbone and stands up to Illegals that cross our border without permission, Terrorists that think they have a right to build memorials to Mohammed Attah and his band of merry buttmunchers, Anyone who objects to the lunatic fringe on the left demanding we hand over most of our money to support the lazy SOB's who are too lazy to work their way into better jobs, the LAZY SOB's on welfare that think they are entoitled to have as many babies as they want and the taxpayers HAVE to support them all because the fathers won't do it... The Lunatic fringe on the left that thinks Illegals are entitled to educations and free health care on the dime of those of uswho actually work and actually pay taxes, something most Liberals DON'T do...

Just because the left can't grasp the Concept they got a total IDIOT elected to the office of president and even after almost 2 years in office, those same left wing Lunatics blame George Bush for every stupid thing they have done even though he as been out of pulic office just as long...

That same lunatic Fringe to still believe theoir Messiah has done absolutely nothing wrong even though unemployment rates have nearly doubled with no end in sight, and they the Democrats bought off their political supporters with 1.5 TRILLION of taxpayers money...

Ever wonder why Lehman Brothers was refused bailout by Obamas gang? Really? Look it up... it was the ONLY wall street firm that gave more to republicans than to democrats... the info is out there...

If you actually have the Gonads to call ME a rascist... that proves you neither have the mental capicty to understand that term... or the fact you really have no respect for most americans.


I am steering to the fact that BOTH are true.

Because You just proved what is true in general with Democrats... when they are losing a campaign or argument, they pull out the race card and start the name calling.

If I'm a rascist for saying Illegals should be thrown out of this country...

THen you are a lover of Child molesters and Murderers... Because more than a few of those Illegals You love so well have done this in MY state as well as others..

Just so you know... because YOU and others of your ilk, defend the right of Illegal criminals to be here, you have the blood of rape victims... molested Children... and innocent families who have had family members killed by illegals driving drunk... without a license... and without insurance to attempt to compensate for their losses.

And you know what, I hope you sleep well at night knowing you had a part in that... because I don't lose a minutes sleep for expecting them to follow the laws in the country.

YOU seem to be the person most quick to start in with the name calling and personal attacks, there are a lot of names I can call you in response, but know what, I'm not stooping that low.

Rascist? Get real man... look the word up and find out what it means.

Better yet, I did it for you...

racist Also found in: Medical, Legal, Idioms, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia, Hutchinson 0.01 sec.

rac·ism (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

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racist adj. & n.



ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. racist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
racialist
bigot - a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
Adj. 1. racist - based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
racial - of or characteristic of race or races or arising from differences among groups; "racial differences"; "racial discrimination"
2. racist - discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
anti-semite, antiblack
discriminatory, prejudiced - being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand; "a prejudiced judge"

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racist
adjective
racially prejudiced, prejudiced, racialist, racially bigoted, anti-Semitic, intolerant, chauvinist a racist society
noun
racial bigot, bigot, chauvinist, racialist, anti-Semite He has a hard core of support amongst white racists.

racist - definition of racist by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racist)

And contrary to your beliefs... Islam is not a race. The US Constitution means I don't have to even LIKE Islam... and Islam has no business dictating or threatening us if they don't get what they want people are going to die.

You may wish to read the definition of bigot and look in a mirror.

Any issues I may or may not have with KP... I talk with KP about. He's a big enough man to speak for himself.

Read the definition or racist... nowhere in there does it say... " those who hate criminal activity, including illegals that violate border laws" or anything to that effect.

I am owed an appology for you calling me a rascist.

It really shows when the lefties don't even have the conviction of what they preach to pay for their own initiatives... they exempt themselves and expect the rest of us to finance them.


I may not agree with Ed Begley or Darryl Hannah, but they at least practice what they preach, and I respect them more for doing it... unlike most people on the left.

And contrary to your beliefs...Islam is not a race. The US Constitution means I don't have to even LIKE Islam....Hello again, smoothy:

Ok, you're not a racist. You're an Islamaphobe, a Hispanaphobe and a homophobe. Feel better?

excon

rac·ism (rszm)

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Same guy who said:

Wait until some latinos, rape you and steal your property.....then all I can say is we told you so.

Unlike YOU excon, I have a legitimate and good reason to hate Islam... THEY tried to kill me just because I'm American... on 9/11. THat doesn't make me a rascist... it means I have a brain and doen't confuse what they were really doing with the politically Correct explanation whatever that might be. I didn't run and hide like so many liberals did in Vietnam... it made me want retribution.

When was the last time a Conservative strapped on bombs or Flew Planes into liberal landmarks to commit mass murder?

Unlike YOU who hates just to hate, I have a justified reason for my disdain for law breakers and Islamists that want a Victory Mosque on ground Zero.

You were safely in your bed on 9/11 5,000 miles from the closest target. Of Course you won't grasp what that means to those of us that were near, or IN a target that morning.

I suppose you will be celibrating in the streets if and when Iran attacks Isreal?

Unlike YOU excon, I have a legitimate and good reason to hate Islam...THEY tried to kill me just because I'm American....on 9/11.
Hello again, smoothy:

You, are OUT of your tree, as usual. America was attacked. Not YOU. YOU, like ME weren't hurt. Therefore, YOU, like ME, DON'T have a right to be touchier about 9/11 than ANY other American does.

YOU ain't special. Get over yourself!

exconHello again, smoothy:

I posted this on the other thread. It's worth posting it again.

excon

Hello again, smoothy:

I posted this on the other thread. It's worth posting it again.

excon

You like most liberals don't have a clue...

Nobody tried to kill anyone on the west coast, OR the Midwest for that matter... YOU weren't there, YOU weren't almost killed, YOU don't have any business lecturing someone who was.

I'd love to see you try that argument on the streets of Manhattan... at any police barraks, or fire station. You'd see a beatdown From the receiving end worse than Mike Tyson taking on Woody Allen.

Maybe their next attempt will be on the left coast instead of the four on the east coast last time... maybe that will shock you and everyone that sympathizes with them back into reality. You don't honestly believe they are done yet, do you? You can thank the Military, FBI, NSA and the CIA for the fact they haven't pulled it off again yet.

Next time you get robbed... it isn't about you, they were only after the stuff after all.

YOU don't have any business lecturing someone who was.Hello again, smoothy:

Let me be CLEAR. YOU AIN'T SPECIAL! To think, that they attacked smoothy, and NOT excon, is just plain ridiculous.

excon

Hello again, smoothy:

Lemme be CLEAR. YOU AIN'T SPECIAL!! To think, that they attacked smoothy, and NOT excon, is just plain ridiculous.

excon

Gee... I was in the Pentagon that morning, the TWO guys I worked with all night begged me to stay after shift change and explain to their shift relief and their Supervisor what the problem was... they both Died. THe ONLY reason I wasn't was because I had what could be called a preomonition, anxiety attack or whatever, but that was the LAST place I wanted to be any longer that morning.

Its never happened before... its never happened since.

Excon was sleeping in Bed 5,000 miles away and didn't even know what happened until sometime later...


I was there you wasn't... but you argue it wasn't about me at all, Well it was... what it wasn't about was you because you were thousands of miles away in bed.


Hmmmmmmm...

Your argument doesn't pass legal muster.


If YOU were standing in a bank branch in a teller line, Some deranged fellow who's house was forclosed upon by a Bank of that name comes in shooting and kills people around you.

What would that person have standing to file assult with attempt to kill charges against the shooter, if it was about the bank... and not the customeras in the branch?

Sorry smoothy, reading your posts for a while makes me doubt that you would be the type that would be working at the Pentagon.

Excon was sleeping in Bed 5,000 miles away
Where on earth do you think he lived??

I was there you wasn't...
Where were you during Vietnam?

Sorry smoothy, reading your posts for a while makes me doubt that you would be the type that would be working at the Pentagon.

You know... if you have seen a fraction of the things I've seen the last 25 years but can't talk about because of non-disclosure agreements I think you too would view things differently. Before 25 years ago when I started to see what really happens vs what you see on the news reports... I was once a liberal too.

There s a list of places I can't travel to and things I can't talk about... and since I don't need to be on the hot seat... I have to err on the side of caution about what I do say about a lot of things... and limit it to what I know is widespread public knowledge (IE been in the news), yes I actually do check sometimes when I don't know if its been on TV.

You can't un-see things... you can't change the past.

And even worse... you can't always talk about everything you see or know. Ever think of how frustrating THAT can be sometimes?

And seriously... do I wish 9/11 never happened? More than you know, being that close to being killed yourself does effect you, it effects everyone that has been there.

Incidentally... I was never a Pentagon employee... I was there doing undisclosed technical work as a contractor, and I am and have been called to go in all hours of the day or night. And I've been in and out of there hundreds of times over the last 16 years. Places no tour group ever goes... nor do any but a fairly select group. And know what, I STILL can't find my way around in that place... it's HUGE.

Where on earth do you think he lived????

Where were you during Vietnam?

Where was I during Vietnam? Just for an FYI, I'm 49, well I will be in a little more than a month, I was in the 8th grade when the Fall of Saigon happened on April 30, 1975 The 74-75 school year. I was 13 over 6 months from turning 14... a bit young to have been drafted or even enlisted.

Excon has said he lives in Washington State... but has eluded to California. Exactly what county and City I don't have a clue.

Where was I during Vietnam? Just for an FYI, I was in the 8th grade
Back then excon et al. fought in 'Nam to keep this country safe so you could grow up and have rights.

Excon has said he lives [on the Left Coast]
Well, if he was in the continental U.S. during 9/11/01, he definitely wasn't 5,000 miles away, but more like half of that or less.

Back then excon et al. fought in 'Nam to keep this country safe so you could grow up and have rights.

Well, if he was in the continental U.S. during 9/11/01, he definitely wasn't 5,000 miles away, but more like half of that or less.

So... I was handling one of only a few handling most of the secured communications that made the first gulf war possible, FROM overseas. We were in a similar situation then.

Lets see, if YOUR kids get killed in a home invasion... then I can argue its really no different than when it happens to someone across the country.

When I heard the Pentagon was burning... I didn't turn on the TV... I went outside and could see it from the roof of my office.

When they listed the fatalities in the paper... the names of the two guys I worked with all night were in it. To this day I don't know how many other people in that office died, beyond the two names I recognised. I had no way of finding out. It was destroyed, and the Military wasn't going to divulge that info anyway. Thing called "Need to know".

Don't pretend it effected you the same when you didn't know people that actually died... saw them only a few hours earlier, and was almost there yourself, and should have been.


Empathize all you want... but unless you were actually there, you can't grasp its totality.

Ever try that line with a Combat veteran? What response did you get out of curiousity?

Ever try that line with a Combat veteran? What response did you get out of curiousity?Hello again, smoothy:

I'm a combat veteran. I say again, to think that YOU, smoothy was attacked, but 99.9% of the REST of us, in this great country, WEREN'T because we weren't there, is the NUTTIEST thing, out of a BUNCH of nutty things, you have ever said... But, I'm sure they'll get nuttier.

excon

Hello again, smoothy:

I'm a combat veteran. I say again, to think that YOU, smoothy was attacked, but 99.9% of the REST of us, in this great country, WEREN'T because we weren't there, is the NUTTIEST thing, out of a BUNCH of nutty things, you have ever said.... But, I'm sure they'll get nuttier.

exconReally... 99.9% of the public was never in their targets and never were at risk of getting killed much less injured.


Try that with many of the people that walked out of the towers or the pentagon, or the first responders, you will be guaranteed to get clocked.

Kudos for doing your part and not running to Canada... just so I acknowledge that part...

However that really isn't parcel to this specific discussion. That's like a clerk in a Depot in Ft Letterkenny saying he was just as much in danger as the poor SOB pulling point duty on a patrol in the jungle of Nam (you name the place) or on one of those godforsaken river patrol boats like my best friend was on. He never saw who was shooting when he was on one and got shot at plenty. Damn near got killed on dry land over there too several times IN TOWN. Surely YOU can relate to THAT analogy... because you are making that same argument.

Really....99.9% of the public was never in their targets
But if you think back to that day, NO ONE knew what the targets were -- the Golden Gate Bridge, the Sears Tower, Mount Rushmore, the Alamo. EVERYONE was scared and EVERYONE felt like a target and NO ONE knew where the next plane would hit -- that day, the next day, every night, the next week, even the next month. We're still holding our collective breath.

But if you think back to that day, NO ONE knew what the targets were -- the Golden Gate Bridge, the Sears Tower, Mount Rushmore, the Alamo. EVERYONE was scared and EVERYONE felt like a target and NO ONE knew where the next plane would hit -- that day, the next day, every night, the next week, even the next month. We're still holding our collective breath.

Funny... we knew in very little time HOW MANY planes were hijacked and where the last one was headed before the passengers brough it down... in PA. True the first two were a mystery... the Pentagon they knew about only moments before... the forth they tracked for quite a ways before it turned around and headed for DC.

Harry Homeowner in Podunk Idaho was never at risk in his house.

Target #4 was the whitehouse... and depending on the approach angle, my office was easily in downrange debris hitting range.

There WAS a citywide evacuation when that happened. But streets were gridlocked so it was never an option.

THat one if it hadn't been brought down may or may not have effected us... in my office, too many variables.

I however WAS in that Pentagon office, I was asked to stay a few more hours and help them on the next shift... I routinely did do that, in fact that was the ONLY time in the 30 years I have been working, 16 at this employer that I essentually go up and walked out on a customer, told them I could come back later but I really needed to leave right now for a while.

IF 9/11 would not have happened I would have been disciplined and possible fired for that.

But you can not relate to what a combat vet experiences... and you can't relate to what ammounts to narrowly escaping death by pure luck.

You can't relate to what a rape victim goes through, unless you were one, and you can't relate to what child abuse does to a kid if you were nevre abused yourself.


You may think you have an idea... but reality is NOT what imagination makes you think.

Nobody really knows what metal they are made of until they themselves are in that position... some of the strongest people break down, and some of the meekest (is that really a word) rise to show valor.

Harry Homeowner in Podunk Idaho was never at risk in his house.
Harry didn't know he wasn't at risk.

Nobody really knows what metal they are made of
The word is "mettle" -- a person's ability to cope well with difficulties or to face a demanding situation in a spirited and resilient way.

Nobody really knows what metal they are made of until they themselves are in that position...some of the strongest people break down, and some of the meekest (is that really a word) rise to show valor.Hello again, smoothy:

So, somebody shot at you and missed. Big deal. Somebody shot at me and didn't miss. Big deal. It didn't make me special, like you think your ordeal made you feel. But, I don't CARE how you feel. Being shot at and MISSED, doesn't entitle you to anything. You AREN'T special. You have no more right to feel anger at being attacked than 300 million other American do.

To say you are SPECIAL, as you continue to do, is arrogant, and it diminishes and trivializes what your fellow Americans feel.

excon

So perhaps we can get back to the thread that seems to be lost, we have an answer, the Muslims in Kashmir (rent a crowd) went nuts over the wack jobs in the US tearing pages out of the Quoran in Washington but I quess they missed the guy smoking it. It seems Iran was upset with Washington and focused their hate there. I think it is interesting we haven't heard from the Muslims in Afghanistan and Pakistan, they might have other things on their mind and in any case you wouldn't want to get too close to the guns

Clete , the nut jobs in Kashmir have been waging civil war on and off since the partition. Why do we have to cower concerned over their reaction ? I for one am sick of walking on egg shells worrying what the Muslim on the street thinks . They take their marching orders from their clerics from the day they are born and nothing we do can change that .The Kashmiri riots were the result of some clown calling himself a man of god stoking the flames... not the burning of the Koran. Let's at least be honest about where the problem lie.

Clete , the nut jobs in Kashmir have been waging civil war on and off since the partition. Why do we have to cower concerned over their reaction ? I for one am sick of walking on egg shells worrying what the Muslim on the street thinks . They take their marching orders from their clerics from the day they are born and nothing we do can change that .The Kashmiri riots were the result of some clown calling himself a man of god stoking the flames....not the burning of the Koran. Let's at least be honest about where the problem lie.

Hey Tom who's asking you to cower, this is the opportunity to show strength and show India the same consideration you have shown Afghanistan unless of course you side with pakistan, difficult to know who your friends are, but a few drones should sort things out, after all they are Muslim militants, aren't they?

I for one have always advocated a close relationship with India. Our "friendship" with the Pakis is a cold war relic.
In your previous reply you referenced Iranian intervention. That appears to be a common thread throughout the ummah.
But not to worry. Our President still has that outstretched hand of friendship waiting to grasp the hands of the delusional homicidal sadistic 12ers .

. Our President still has that outstretched hand of friendship waiting to grasp the hands of the delusional homicidal sadistic 12ers .

He has a peace prize to justify Tom, hey, did you hear about the brit who is banned from the US for sending BO an offensive email, no outstreached hand there even though the content was probably milder than what Ahamadjihad serves up

Harry didn't know he wasn't at risk.

The word is "mettle" -- a person's ability to cope well with difficulties or to face a demanding situation in a spirited and resilient way.

Lets just say, I had an inside track as to what was happening before the news reported it... they were pretty quick getting it out however that day.

Actually I thought that was the correct spelling, but wasn't sure. Spell checkers even when you have one only go so far.

He has a peace prize to justify Tom, hey, did you hear about the brit who is banned from the US for sending BO an offensive email, no outstreached hand there even though the content was probally milder than what Ahamadjihad serves up

The Messiah is pretty thin skinned. Its well known here in Washington how indignent he gets when second guessed or questioned much less when anyone disagrees with his sermons on the mound.

What do you expect from a guy that's what 21 months into the job now (12 months last year and 9 so far this year) and still blames everything he did wrong on someone else that's not even in office, anywhere.


Except of course... the Peace prize, he took credit for that even if he hasn't done anything to earn it at all.

Damn the Norweigans really blew it on that one... the Nobel Peace prize now carries the same value as a McDonalds Happymeal prize. Nobody can ever hold that up again and be taken seriously.

Why do people insist on injection their religion into politics?

Why do people insist on injection their religion into politics?

Well, in Islam politics IS part of the Religion as is every aspect of ones life, think 1984, its even in the bedroom telling what you can do and how often.

Its not simply a religon like most others.

Its like asking a politician to keep their personal viewpoints to themselves when they are supposed to be acting in their constituents interests... It rarely happens.

He has a peace prize to justify Tom, hey, did you hear about the brit who is banned from the US for sending BO an offensive email, no outstreached hand there even though the content was probally milder than what Ahamadjihad serves up
Well that's different. He has a personal grudge against the Brits that goes back to the colonial era. He made it clear early on that he will at best tolerate our special relationship . It has also been obvious that he will neglect relationships with friends while he tries to appease enemies.

Hello again, smoothy:

So, somebody shot at you and missed. Big deal. Somebody shot at me and didn't miss. Big deal. It didn't make me special, like you think your ordeal made you feel. But, I don't CARE how you feel. Being shot at and MISSED, doesn't entitle you to anything. You AREN'T special. You have no more right to feel anger at being attacked than 300 million other American do.

To say you are SPECIAL, as you continue to do, is arrogant, and it diminishes and trivializes what your fellow Americans feel.

excon

What is arrogant is what YOU are saying.

I can hear you telling a rape victim to suck it up... you are still alive, YOU aren't special.

Or THe families of First Responders killed or died later of lung problems... because they aren't special.


You on the west coast somehow believe you went through the same thing someone who was actually there did.


If you were a Combat Veteran like you said... the Clerk in Headquarters can claim he went through the same thing you went through on Patrol when you encountered VC or NVA. Because after all, you weren't special, and it diminished the hardships the people in the rear had to deal with as opposed to hose in the field.


Yeah, right, and I have some prime Kanasas ocean front property to sell you if you believe that.

...think 1984, its even in the bedroom telling what you can do and how often.
Sounds like the Christian right.

Sounds like the Christian right.

You won't get stoned to death by the Christian right anyplace in the world, in fact most on the christian right don't give a damn what you do in the bedroom... you will get stoned to death in an Islamic country where Sharia is the rule of law.

You won't get stoned to death by the Christian right anyplace in the world, in fact most on the christian right don't give a damn what you do in the bedroom......you will get stoned to death in an Islamic country where Sharia is the rule of law.
Yea but that wasn't what I was commenting on was it? You keep moving the goal posts. ADHD?

Yea but that wasn't what I was commenting on was it? You keep moving the goal posts. ADHD?

I responded to YOUR comments. And it's a valid answer to your comment. You compared the Christian right to Islam telling you what you can do in the bedroom.

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...think 1984, its even in the bedroom telling what you can do and how often.

Sounds like the Christian right.

If you were a Combat Veteran like you said
He was and didn't run from the scene, but stuck it out and sucked it up and was there for his buddies.

He was and didn't run from the scene, but stuck it out and sucked it up and was there for his buddies.

Go back and read the rest of the post again you clipped that segment out of instead of editing a quote heavily and presenting it out of context.

Hey Tom who's asking you to cower, this is the opportunity to show strength and show India the same consideration you have shown Afghanistan unless of course you side with pakistan, difficult to know who your friends are, but a few drones should sort things out, after all they are Muslim militants, arn't they?

I do have to give you credit as one of the few people who get AfPakia in the broader context of the India -Pakistan conflicts. I for one am sympathetic with the separatist inside Kashmir. Being part of either Pakistan of India doesn't do them justice.

Go back and read the rest of the post again you clipped that segment out of instead of editing a quote heavily and presenting it out of context.
I was remarking on his behavior vs. yours.

I was remarking on his behavior vs. yours.

No... you heavily edit a quote and throw it out there like that was actually a single quote I made when that is NOT what I wrote in that thread...

That is rude, and dishonest to do.

Did you know EXACTLY what it was like to lose a parent until you actually did? Nope

By YOUR claims I can claim that I knew EXACTLY what he felt In Vietnam In the Jungle getting shot at because I saw it on TV.

And the fact is... I can't because I wasn't THERE in Vietnam getting shot at from people I couldn't even see...

Its statements like your and others that actually belittle his experiences as a Combat Vet... because TV can not pass more than images and sound... you can't know what its like to be in a situation unless you were actually there... you may THINK you do... but until you actually are you don't really know what you will do, or how you will react.

... exactly the same as claims by people who were visciosly arguing I can't possibly felt the impact MORE because I was there while THEY saw it on TV.

Ever see a guy get shot in the chest from 20 feet away with a .45 Colt? Ever find a dead body a few days ofter they passed? Was it anything like watching it on TV? Ever see a decapitated body in a traffic accident shortly after it happened? Heck no it wasn't, and honestly, that is a good thing. See I have over the years.


I may not agree with excon on a lot of things... but I do know nobody can claim they know what something is like exactly until they have been there themselves.

And like other things... you don't know what its like in combat unless you yourself were in combat. Its NOT like playing a video game.

I have never belittled anyone's combat service they were honest about. And I get irked when anyone suggests I have.

TV is a poor substitute for reality.

That is rude, and dishonest to do.
No, I wasn't being that way. You totally missed the point I was making.

No, I wasn't being that way. You totally missed the point I was making.

Well, if you weren't... it certainly appeared that way if you took the time to edit it to read exactly the opposite as it was posted in the thread.

Look at it literally as you quoted it, as if someone did not read the thread you pulled it from. What would it appear to them as?

See my point now?

See my point now?
Nope.

Nope. I know Alice and she definately wasn't tripping when she stepped through the mirror.

What you qouted made it look like a disrespectful swipe at a Combat vet because it was heavily edited.

There was nothing that I wrote in that post that was disrepectful to someone's military service.

Editing a quote is easy... see I did it... but it you are going to quote.. leave sentances intact... it doesn't make it look like you are dreaming stuff up.

Did you or did you not say exactly what is in the quote above?

No... and neither did I say exactly what you had in your guote.


Now lets just say... you misunderstood what I wrote... and your post came across differently than you wanted to say... and leave it at that.

Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Nope. I know Alice and she definitely wasn't tripping when she stepped through the mirror.
Where did the words after "nope" come in? I didn't post them, and I definitely can spell "definitely" correctly!

What you qouted made it look like a disrespectful swipe at a Combat vet because it was heavily edited.
What I quoted was a salute to excon for being a brave combat soldier who was wounded in battle.

I too can say: There was nothing that I wrote in that post that was disrespectful to someone's military service.

Same place the words after what you attributed to me went... into and out of the ether.

did you go back and read what I wrote in that post in its entirety?

excon could no more claim to feel EXACTLY what I felt on 9/11 (due to my circumstances that thus far are unique in this thread.) Than I could feel exactly what he felt on patrol in the Nam Jungle because I saw it on TV like he saw 9/11 on TV.

Now this assumes he did actually see combat... I have to assume he did, you said it.. he didn't, but I'm willing to take it as fact.

Unlike most of the left... I don't automatically assume anything the other side says if false.

If you have never been shot... how can you say you know exactly what it feels like when he has (or whatever the injury was).

Fact is... I've never been shot, you've never been shot... there is no way OUR experience can be equal to his on the topic, no matter how active an imagination we might have.

Same issue of the 9/11 experience... there is no way those who were not there could feel EXACTLY the same as those of use who were directly.

Also... the same argument... using the same rules..

is any guy claiming they know exactly what Childbnirth is like... after all, they watched it on TV. Yeah right... you know it hurts like hell, but there is no possible way you can know EXACTLY if you haven't been there and done that yourself.

And there have been HOW many pages arguing TV = Real life experience so far?

Unlike most of the left....I don't automatically assume anything the other side says if false.
If you were a Combat Veteran like you said....Hello again, smoothy:

No, of course you don't.

excon

I do have to give you credit as one of the few people who get AfPakia in the broader context of the India -Pakistan conflicts. I for one am sympathetic with the separatist inside Kashmir. Being part of either Pakistan of India doesn't do them justice.

Yes Tom but you have to be sensible, Asia, doesn't need another small land locked country surrounded by belligerent neighbours. It isn't so much separatism but a Muslim majority wanting to be part of Pakistan, not ruled by a Hindu majority nation, which was after all the reason for forming Pakistan. I wouldn't doubt there might be good reasons for the federally administered terrorities being excised from Pakistan because of tensions, also but seriously we can't partition off all the trouble spots.

What Pakistan has to realize is that they have no fear of an India invasion . Then they wouldn't need buffers like Kashmir and Afghanistan .

What Pakistan has to realize is that they have no fear of an India invasion . Then they wouldn't need buffers like Kashmir and Afghanistan .

Paranoia, smaller state and, of course, history, both recent and ancient, all figure in this. Kashmir isn't seen as a buffer, but as part of the Ummah and Afghanistan, perhaps it was a buffer against Russia, but I expect it is more of a nuiance and a source of Muslim militancy. Pakistan is a cobbled together nation, diverse ethnic groups and languages. It could take another century to get a true national consensus and they have that shiia/sunni thing going on

Obviously, not only are drawing cartons out of the question, so is joking about it.


'Everybody Draw Mohammed' Cartoonist Goes Into Hiding (http://gawker.com/5639705/everybody-draw-mohammed-cartoonist-goes-into-hiding)

Molly Norris, the Seattle cartoonist whose joking suggestion for an "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" earned her a fatwa from religious extremists, has been forced into hiding, for her own safety.

The Seattle Weekly, which ran Norris' comics, said yesterday that "on the insistence of top security specialists at the FBI, she is, as they put it, "going ghost": moving, changing her name, and essentially wiping away her identity." For the moment, at least, she's no longer publishing cartoons, or doing anything else, except hiding from cowardly fanatics who would kill a human being over a stupid cartoon.

Outrageous. Come back soon, Molly.

Go ahead, let's see all you Muslim apologists defend this one.

except hiding from cowardly fanatics who would kill a human being over a stupid cartoon....... Go ahead, let's see all you Muslim apologists defend this one.Hello again, Steve:

I'm sorry, Steve. I don't, and haven't ever apologized for "cowardly fanatics". Muslims, on the other hand, don't need apologizing for, any more than Christians do.

You DID, however, hit the nail on the head with your post... YOU, like smoothy, can't tell the difference between Muslims and fanatics. That's not good.

excon

We see a difference... its the left that can't. They have spent decades fighting anything that hints of christianity who have no "Rights" apparently... They however are quick to back anything Muslims want to do as it being their "right". Even when its Muslims that aren't even American having rights to do anything they want on our soil.

You DID, however, hit the nail on the head with your post.... YOU, like smoothy, can't tell the difference between Muslims and fanatics. That's not good.

Don't compare me to Smoothy.

I know the difference between Muslims and Muslim fanatics, it's the Muslims apologists who don't. This aversion to calling Muslim fanatics Muslim fanatics makes you look kind of like one of those Muslim apologists I'm talking about. You know, the guys that come crawling out the woodwork like ants defending Muslims that haven't attacked against people who haven't attacked them.

We see a difference....its the left that can't. They have spent decades fighting anything that hints of christianity who have no "Rights" apparently...Hello again, smoothy:

I don't know who this mythical left is that you keep arguing with. It's not ME for sure. I'd like to take you on, but I don't represent anybody but ME, and I haven't heard ANYBODY arguing the points you're arguing with. Personally, being a BELIEVER in the First Amendment, as I KNOW you KNOW that I am, Christians have quite a few rights in this country, and I have supported EVERY one of them. If you want to go back and find posts where I didn't, we can talk about that.

Now, it's difficult for me to grasp how you can come up with "They however are quick to back anything Muslims want to do as it being their "right"", from our conversations we've had here. But, you do, and you're still going to do it no matter what is said to you, and no matter what facts are presented to you.

So, if you want to take an actual position I HOLD, and articulate how it's incorrect, then I'll argue with you... But, you can't, and you won't. You'd rather spout your talking points. By the way, I'm the guy that FIRST accused YOU of arguing with talking points. Then, without the slightest hesitation or embarrassment, you say the same thing to me... You're something else...

excon

I'm sorry, Steve. I don't, and haven't ever apologized for "cowardly fanatics".
it's the Muslims apologists who don't. This aversion to calling Muslim fanatics Muslim fanatics makes you look kinda like one of those Muslim apologists I'm talking about. Hello again, Steve:

How can I NOT compare you to smoothy? He makes up stuff and argues with it. So do you.

What part of "cowardly fanatics" sounds like an apology? What part of "cowardly fanatics" sounds like I'm NOT calling them "cowardly fanatics"?

Why is your pot so much better than mine?

excon

Hello again, Steve:

How can I NOT compare you to smoothy? He makes up stuff and argues with it. So do you.

I don't make things up, ex. You ought ta know by now I can generally back things up with facts. It's like clockwork, if a conservative criticizes Muslim fanatics, voices an opinion that a mosque shouldn't be built near the site that Muslims killed 3,000 people in the name of Islam or say a Christian fanatic has the right to burn a Koran, the Muslim apologists crawl out of the woodwork to tell us to stop judging ALL Muslims. They come out at Huffpo (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-green/but-nothing-why-the-right_b_697901.html), KOS, and all over the news shows.

I haven't judged all Muslims, now or ever, so stop judging me as the Muslim apologists do, and judge the Muslims that sent this cartoonist into hiding instead.

Hello again, smoothy:

I don't know who this mythical left is that you keep arguing with. It's not ME for sure. I'd like to take you on, but I don't represent anybody but ME, and I haven't heard ANYBODY arguing the points you're arguing with. Personally, being a BELIEVER in the First Amendment, as I KNOW you KNOW that I am, Christians have quite a few rights in this country, and I have supported EVERY one of them. If you want to go back and find posts where I didn't, we can talk about that.

Now, it's difficult for me to grasp how you can come up with "They however are quick to back anything Muslims want to do as it being their "right"", from our conversations we've had here. But, you do, and you're still going to do it no matter what is said to you, and no matter what facts are presented to you.

So, if you want to take an actual position I HOLD, and articulate how it's incorrect, then I'll argue with you.... But, you can't, and you won't. You'd rather spout your talking points. By the way, I'm the guy that FIRST accused YOU of arguing with talking points. Then, without the slightest hesitation or embarrassment, you say the same thing to me... You're something else....

excon

You are part of the "Left" and its not a all Mythical.. Its no more MYTHICAL in fact than the RIGHT. Its no more MYTHICAL than liberalism... which IS a left of center belief system.

You have in fact in argued against References to Christ in any public school or government celibration of Christman... or Easter.

You have been among those that have opposed evena voluntary group prayer of sport events, and in fact a simple Google search will present page after page of attacks on Christianity by the left over the last 40+ years. Now that same left who spewed such hatred against Christian principles are the same one arguing how Muslims have the right to protections against ANY person or group that may offend them in any way.

Funny how Christian values are such a thing to be hated by liberals and yet, they Embrace the people who HAVE been trying to force Sharia law on us... and it obscene things it calls for based on the Quran... here are 10 that Liberal women really need to know, since the Quran is such a book of Peace... And just the top 10 that apply to how they view women...

Top 10 Quran quotes every woman MUST SEE


Tell every woman you know about these verses. The oppression of women that Islam advocates is not only disturbing, but is direct contrast with everything that Western civilization stands for when it comes to the rights of women.

These are referenced from an article published from the American Thinker in 2005. Each one goes into much greater detail if you are interested in reading more on each verse. The article is here: Top 10 rules in the Quran that oppress women

10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.

The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004)

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.

The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A'La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur'an, vol. 1, p. 165)

8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.

The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

7. A woman's testimony counts half of a man's testimony.

The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.

The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden. (Maududi, vol. 5, pp. 599 and 617, emphasis added)


Top 10 Quran quotes every woman MUST SEE (http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/01/11/top-10-quran-quotes-every-woman-must-see/)
Of course... the fact that they WILL and ARE imposing Sharia on Europe using the DNC talking points of incrimentalism since an all at once approcach would raise opjections... thats how the DNC has worked for decades... common knowledge to those willing to see what's happening.

Feisal Abdul Rauf... HAS publicly called for Sharia law in the USA.

Sharia IS Islam... you worry about bibble thumpers Celibrating a holiday and are completely willing to give up all of your rights to live under Sharia...

Islam is not simply a Religion... its a lot like Communism in that they dictate every part of your life... from WHO you can whorship to when, to who you can martry to what you can do in the bedroom, eat... everything about your life.

You call it talking points... I call it Reality the left wants to ignore... or worse chooses to ignore.

Abundent proof of this is EASY to find... but since you ONLY believe what the DNC commands you to believe...

You have been proven wrong time and time again... you repeat the same things that every other liberal repeats... almost word for word.

If the Left doesn't issue talking points of what to say, then exactly how can every left leaning media source (and supposedly independent from each other) use the same words taking the same stance in a matter of an hour of an event? If they weren't repeating verbaitum what they were told to say.

Yeah... I don't doubt YOU believe in the first amendment... it all in how you interpret it...

The Left feels free to say anything you want... but look at how they talk about Fox news.. the Tea Part... the Christian Faith... heaven forbid THEY say anything...

After all its Democrats that proposed the laughably names " Fairness Doctirine" which is anything BUT fair. It's the lefts attempt to shut down the rights radio and TV broadcasts while exempting the left dominated Newpapers, TV, etc... Left wing NPR that getts kept on life support with tax dollars. No such program for Right wing media.

But then... its clear you would rather just shout down anyone that disagrees with what you proclaim everyone HAS to believe... or they are somehow not being reasonible... or rational...

The left in general fought in court for the RIGHT to burn the American flag as a RIGHT. And they are the very same people who threatened and mocked a pastor that wanted to burn a book.. and made a HUGE deal out of nothing.


Funny... the left despises Christians so much... yet where was the Christian riots, and death threats over the Lefts lawsuit to prohibit a Cross in the Mohave Desert? We all know what the Muslims did over just the threat to burn a book... acted like a bunch of idiots and uncivilized animals...


THe left wing kook, that made the Crap cross of jesus being crucified and called it art... did the vatican send a hit squad calling for their death, much less actually kill them? Nope...

How about a few instances about A mohammed Cartoon... you know where MUSLIMS assassinated the artist...

How about the recent case of a journalist having a draw mohammed contest... that never actually even happened... that due to death threats had to be taken in to protective custofy with the FBI and is in witness protection now... and that's in the last couple weeks.

Here is the link...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/16/draw-muhammad-cartoonist-goes-hiding/

More proof of how Loving and kind Islam is when you have THAT.

You want to defend that bunch of lunatics that make death threats at Americans? Oh, sure not ALL Muslims are ready to kill Americans... with 1.5 billions followers you obviously can find some that don't agree with everything. BUt statistically the threat is huge... and numbers have been posted by the Pew polls that is NOT a right wing poll and percentages of Muslims supporting terrorism almost matches the total population of the USA. Its NOT a handfull of idiots we are talking about.

You can't offend a single Muslim in the world according to the left... but its fine for them to insult every American with a Victory Mosque at ground Zero which WILL be an offence every day its allowed to exist assuming its ever built. JUst arguing about building it is a major offence to Americans.

Its fine for them to make death threats at Americans for exercising their freedomn of speech..

Again... its not a "Handfull" of Muslims guilty of this when there are riots in the street.


And yes... I do believe there are some things that are indefensible.

Genocide is one... and Islam having RIGHTS over Americans rights is another.

AS well as Islams ongoing attempts to destroy Isreal (Hamas and Hezbolah ARE Islamic supported terror groups, they don't exist in a vacuum).

A ground Zero Victory mosque is another.

THere are others... but these are high on the list.

argued against References to Christ in any public school or government celibration of Christman...or Easter.

And I, as a Christian Republican, will also argue against Muslim or Jewish or Scientologist or Hindu or Buddhist or Shinto or Taoist or whatever religion's references or statues or plaques or icons or altars or holiday decorations in any public school or government locations.

No one is stopping a public school student from whispering a quiet prayer to Jesus or the Buddha or Ganesh or John Travolta or the Virgin Mary or Blaise Pascal before a test.

And I, as a Christian Republican, will also argue against Muslim or Jewish or Scientologist or Hindu or Buddhist or Shinto or Taoist or whatever religion's references or statues or plaques or icons or altars or holiday decorations in any public school or government locations.

No one is stopping a public school student from whispering a quiet prayer to Jesus or the Buddha or Ganesh or John Travolta or the Virgin Mary or Blaise Pascal before a test.

Ah... but they are, the left has fought against a "moment of silence" which is completely free on any particular leaning.. or religion. Yes we had those when I was in Jr & Sr High school. My memories of elementery school are fuzzy enough to not be sure if we had actual prayers then or not. Latter half of the 1960's.

And they can teach politically correct hooey about Islam... but mention Christianity (even in the context of history) and the lawsuits fly.

And it does come right back to the premise... Islam isn't simply a religion. It is a totalitarian regime in every aspect. And its completely in conflict with the Constitution AND the bill or rights.

Ah...but they are, the The left has fought against a "moment of silence" which is completely free on any particular leaning.. or religion.
"A moment of silence" is a coercion, a forcing of students to do something. A student whispering or mouthing a prayer to his deity is perfectly acceptable.

In my NC public grade school during the early '50s we memorized Bible verses and said prayers out loud. We also had to relearn the Pledge when "under God" was added.

"A moment of silence" is a coercion, a forcing of students to do something. A student whispering or mouthing a prayer to his deity is perfectly acceptable.

In my NC public grade school during the early '50s we memorized Bible verses and said prayers out loud. We also had to relearn the Pledge when "under God" was added.

Really, a moment of Silence to you qualifies as Coercion? Forcing them to do nothing... you mean like forcing them to do homework, take tests... attend class? Lunk forces them to eat even if they don't want to... then they have all that free time they are forced to take even if they do eat. Forced to take gym class even iff they would rather use a playstation... etc.

Then exactly what would you call a school field trip AT A BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOL dragging students to a mosque on taxpayers money during school hours using schools busses, where parents were not even informed..

It was caught on video...

Public School Field Trip: Inside Video Captures Kids Bowing to Allah (http://bigpeace.com/cjacobs/2010/09/16/school-trip-to-moderate-mosque-inside-video-captures-kids-bowing-to-allah/)


Massachusetts, | BOSTON, Sept. 16 | Video Shows Public Middle School Boys Joining Muslim Men In Prayer at Controversial, Saudi-Funded Boston Mosque | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC (http://www.heraldonline.com/2010/09/16/2457369_video-shows-public-middle-school.html)


School Trip to ?Moderate? Mosque: Inside Video Captures Kids Bowing to Allah (http://www.peaceandtolerance.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=129:school-trip-to-moderate-mosque-inside-video-captures-kids-bowing-to-allah&catid=7:our-statements&Itemid=39)

If a moment of silence is coercion, then that is liberal Teachers committing Kidnapping, misappropriation of school funds and taxpayer money. On TOP of violating the Civil rights of christians that want nothing to do with Islam or their kids in or near a mosque.

Really, how is dragging non-muslim kids to a mosque for some more propaganda brainwashing acceptable if they can't mention Christ in an assembly during a christian holiday at the same school that dragged them there?

Being this is a BOSTON PUBLIC school, its clearly NOT a bunch of conservatives violating the constitution there. Boston would be happy if it was moved to Berkley, Where is the huge uproar from the anti-christianity in school (freedom FROM religion) crowd?

I bet if they were taken to see the Pope... they would be raising holy hell about it.

Really, a moment of Silence to you qualifies as Coercion?
Yup. If it's required and unnecessary and useless, 95% of the students won't honor it (or want to, because it's stupid).

If you were 12 or 13 again, what would you be doing during a required, legally mandated moment of silence?

Yup. If it's required and unnecessary and useless, 95% of the students won't honor it (or want to, because it's stupid).

If you were 12 or 13 again, what would you be doing during a required, legally mandated moment of silence?

You didn't answer the part about the Public school fieldtrip to the mosque without parental permission during school hours. Its on video... they can't claim it never happened.

How does dragging kids OFF school property during school hours without parental Permission compare in any way to a moment of silince. What if there was an accident? WHat right does a public school have of forcing Islam on students.

You CAN make kids shut up in the classroom... even if they stare at the wall for a minute, how is that any different... its not stupid... its called discipline, something sadly lacking from 99% of school kids the last 30+ years.



So... answer how THIS is acceptable?

http://bigpeace.com/cjacobs/2010/09/16/school-trip-to-moderate-mosque-inside-video-captures-kids-bowing-to-allah/

http://www.heraldonline.com/2010/09/16/2457369_video-shows-public-middle-school.html

http://www.peaceandtolerance.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=129:school-trip-to-moderate-mosque-inside-video-captures-kids-bowing-to-allah&catid=7:our-statements&Itemid=39

What, if anything, does this have to do with endangering the troops?
Will they be endangered if school children visit a mosque?
Will the muslims turn aside from their war because a few kids visit a mosque?

What, if anything, does this have to do with endangering the troops?
Will they be endangered if school children visit a mosque?
Will the muslims turn aside from their war because a few kids visit a mosque?Just as much as over half of what is in this thread has to do with it

So, what exactly have the muslims been doing the last 10 years... the last 1,300 years for that matter, Hosting out troops for afternoon tea and Kabobs?

And explain how exactly is a Koran or 2 being burned going to change anything they have been doing all along?

Did they get a Gypsy to look in a Crystal ball in the 1970's and tell them someone was going to threaten to burn a Koran in 2010 so they embarked on a campaign to kill westerners oh... for the last 30 years?

You didn't answer the part about the Public school fieldtrip to the mosque without parental permission during school hours. Its on video... they can't claim it never happened.
I don't know about the lack of parental permission. Will research it.

WHat right does a public school have of forcing Islam on students.
It was a social studies class, and kids were kids trying out what happens in a mosque. Islam was forced on the kids?

You CAN make kids shut up in the classroom... even if they stare at the wall for a minute
Glad you weren't MY teacher. What a useless way to discipline. I suppose you made your own kids face the wall with noses touching it and while standing on their tiptoes?

I don't know about the lack of parental permission. Will research it.

It was a social studies class, and kids were kids trying out what happens in a mosque. Islam was forced on the kids?

Glad you weren't MY teacher. What a useless way to discipline. I suppose you made your own kids face the wall with noses touching it and while standing on their tiptoes?

If it was a minor case of acting up in class... if it was a bad offense they would have gotten paddled.


And yeah... THAT was a very effective deterant to misbehaving in school.

Guys that feared nothing else feared getting paddled in from of others.

People rarely smarted off to teachers when I was in school. I knew of and actually saw only two cases where studenets physically attacked a teacher... both cases there were big guys... and both times the kids got their butts kicked... in a very big way. On was by a teacher by reputation you did not cross... the other was a 5'8" 300 lb civics teacher, Saw him take a punch from a 6'4" football player then grab that player pick him up WWF style and body slam him to the concrete floor so hard it knocked the kid out.

Police hauled both those kids out of the school and they were never allowed to return.

Shame on you, or a time out isn't really effective on kids that don't have respect for the teachers.


SO... YOU are agrueing a 1 minute moment of silence is unconstitutional but forcing CHristian kids to go to a mosque... WITHOUT their parents permission or even with it is fine...

How about lets make the schools take Muslim kids to a Christian Church or a Jewish Temple and make them pray? I suppose THAT would be unconstitutional because Muslims are better than Christians... like they are taught in the Mosque.


And besides... THAT is clearly not the separation of Church and state something so very dear to the left to the extent kids can't even celibrate Christmas... they b*stardize it and call it "merry Xmas" and disallow any reference to Chist because that isn't allowed in school. But dragging them to a Mosque to feed them lies about Islam is OK? No wonder so few kids can read by the time they graduate these days. And incidentally I was reading College level in the 6th grade, not vice versa.

You are aware your logic on that is not at all consistent or logical on this topic. Unless you are asserting Islam = Good, Christianity & Judahism = bad.

where parents were not even informed..

It was caught on video...

The parents signed permission slips.

It was filmed with permission by the Muslims.

if it ws a bad offense they would have gotten paddled.
Thank God we're past those days!

There is a disconnect here somewhere, you seem to have forgotten that after their expansionary period, the Muslims suffered defeats and were in retreat and decline until some modern twitts with dillusions aplenty gave them a target and a reason to get organised again.

Giving your enemies a reason to hate you is not a good idea, unless, of course, you are so full of confidence in your own ability to kill anything and everything that you don't care who you offend. That the Muslim resemble the Nazi with their emphasis in religious purity is not coincidental, nor is it coincidental that they have the same enemy as the Nazi, but we cannot use the Nazi solution to the solution of the Muslim question. Burning books is a not an answer, nor is warfare and extermination, but allowing these people to live in peace might be.

What the Muslims told the 6th grade class is true. Women's status improved greatly with the rise of Islam. They could finally own property and vote, could inherit, and were allowed to seek education. Women couldn't vote in the U.S. under Washington (late 1700s) and Lincoln (mid 1800s).

Thank God we're past those days!

Really... with the youth of today? I'd rather have the youth of yesterday. At least they could read and knew how to respect others.

What the Muslims told the 6th grade class is true. Women's status improved greatly with the rise of Islam. They could finally own property and vote, could inherit, and were allowed to seek education. Women couldn't vote in the U.S. under Washington (late 1700s) and Lincoln (mid 1800s).

Really... in WHAT Islamic country is that true? The Propaganda YOU quoted flies in opposition of Sharia, the Quran and actual practices in Islamic Countries, right here, right now.

Look at Iran... Look at Saudi Arabia, Look at most countries of the Midle east... you really don't know many people from the Middle east region do you?

Go back a few posts... actual sharia law and Quran passeges are quoted pertaining to the " Supposed" women's rights under Islam.

Really.....with the youth of today? I'd rather have the youth of yesterday. At least they could read and knew how to respect others.
The last thing the youth of today needs is paddling and being disrespected by adults and peers.

Really...in WHAT Islamic country is that true?
I said with the rise of Islam, just as your mosque video says -- the opposite had been your retort. Sharia as we know it hadn't been invented yet back then.

Originally, Shar'iah meant the road to the watering place or path leading to the water, i.e. the way to the source of life.

The last thing the youth of today needs is paddling and being disrespected by adults and peers.

Oh poor babies... they just don't have enough of a spine to deal with the real world... They sure as hell haven't learned to show any respect of the average...

I said with the rise of Islam, just as your mosque video says -- the opposite had been your retort. Sharia hadn't been invented yet back then.

Sharia has been in the Quran since it was written 1,300 years ago. Sharia ISN'T a new concept. Except in Ancient Greece, people weren't VOTING for their leaders then.

Islam is a totalitarian regime... its not simply what exists in a Mosque. Where are you getting your information from? Do you actually think Sharia is a good thing? YOu are willing to shred the constitution AND bill of rights to make some loons happier that they can control every aspect of your life, including who you worship and when or they stone you to death?

In most Islamic Countries you talking to me could get you lashes and stoned to death since I'm not your husband or relative.

We're talking about the 7th century, smoothy. You said women didn't get voting rights. I said they did, thanks to Mohammed and the rise of Islam. And they got education, property rights, the right to divorce.

We're talking about the 7th century, smoothy. You said women didn't get voting rights. I said they did, thanks to Mohammed and the rise of Islam. And they got education, property rights, the right to divorce.

Along with the right to be mutilated, lashed in public, and stoned to death, which they still have today.

Along with the right to be mutilated, lashed in public, and stoned to death, which they still have today.
Not in the 7th century. That came about later when one sect decided to twist Mohammed's words.

We're talking about the 7th century, smoothy. You said women didn't get voting rights. I said they did, thanks to Mohammed and the rise of Islam. And they got education, property rights, the right to divorce.

This happens today... right now. THey are going to stone a woman to death in Iran under Sharia for sleeping with someone not her husband. Have you NOT watched the news?

Muslim women are NOT allowed to divorce... but their Husbands can very easily.

Property rights, under Sharia today... not in very many Islamic countries they don't. Women are second class citizens in the Quran... which is interpreted literally, and all later passages supercede any that's early in the Quran. And Under Sharia its no different because SHaria IS directly from the Quaran. Its all part of Islam. THere is no speration of Politics and Religion in Islam. It is TOTALITARIAN by design. It dictates EVERYTHING in your life.

Doubt me... just go over to the Islam Forum...

This hapens today....right now. THey are going to stone a woman to death in Iran under Sharia for sleeping with someone not her husband.

Muslim women are NOT allowed to divorce....but their Husbands can very easily.

Property rights, under Sharia today....not in very many Islamic countries they don't. Women are second class citizens in the Quran...which it interpreted literally. ANd Under Sharia its no different because SHaria IS directly from the Quaran. Its all part of Islam. THere is no speration of Politics and Religion in Islam. It is TOTALITARIAN by design. It dictates EVERYTHING in your life.

Doubt me....just go over to the Islam Forum....

While totalitarian is descriptive, the proper adjective to describe Islam is Theocratic, because the state is ruled by the religion.

7th century, smoothy. We're talking about the 7th century and the rise of Islam.

Along with the right to be mutilated, lashed in public, and stoned to death, which they still have today.Hello Cats:

Yeah, sharia law sucks.. What I want to know is why you're so damn scared of it. You don't think it's going to getcha, do you?

excon

Hello Cats:

Yeah, sharia law sucks.. What I wanna know is why you're so damn scared of it. You don't think it's gonna getcha, do ya?

excon

Hi, Ex.

The only thing I'm afraid of is you liberals letting the Dar al Islam expand far enough that the planet won't survive the war.

excon
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Be careful, wear your boots, and have fun!Hello Carol:

Boots, is RIGHT! I got waders!

excon

While totalitarian is descriptive, the proper adjective to describe Islam is Theocratic, because the state is ruled by the religion.

True...

Sharia law has been working its way into European countries... Including England. They are waking up to being suckered into incremental Islamification the liberals taught them to use to sneak it in. Exactly the same reasons as the parable of the frog in the pan of cool water on the stove.

You think its so petty and insignifican to the west, you really need to read up on it.


You might love it however... since the Liberals hate Christianity ad Christian morals so much.

Kiss any form of freedoms you enjoy now goodbye then...

The hipwaders will be needed for the Liberal pro-Islamic propaganda that's about to spew. After all, the Democrat party will stump for anyone that gives them enough money. Like being lakies for George Soros.

The U.S. is NOT a bunch of small European nations. Plus, we have our guns, thanks to the 2nd Amendment. And only .6% of our population is Muslim. Seventy-eight point four percent is Christian. I'm not worried yet.

I had a Ghirardelli chocolate brownie and Mountain Dew instead of an ice cream cone. I'm feeling very fine right now. Thanks for asking! Wish I could have shared with you.

You think its so petty and insignifican to the west, you really need to read up on it. Hello again, smoothy:

You DO think it's going to getcha, huh? Me? I have more faith in our Constitutional system than you do. Why oh why you think our Constitution will fall in the face of some extremists is beyond me. But, you think we're weak... Dude!

excon

Hello again, smoothy:

You DO think it's gonna getcha, huh? Me? I have more faith in our Constitutional system than you do. Why oh why you think our Constitution will fall in the face of some extremists is beyond me. But, you think we're weak... Dude!

excon

You have more faith than I do... beween liberal activist judges and the fools on the 9th circuit court... they all think the constitution is open to interpretation when its actually written in clear english and specifically gives a means to amend it... via amendments and how many states have to approve...

NOT by a couple unelected judges with delusions of granduer.

THink I'm kidding, just look at the gun grabbers on the left trying to take away the 2nd amendment right from those of us with guns (like yourself as you have said before)... they will never get an amendment so they try to circumvent the constitution via judicial activists... luckily, they haven't goten their way very much.


Don't get me wrong ex... I do see what you are trying to say, the problem is the democrat party has corrupted that system so badly over the last 50 years with activist judges that don't know what it says that I can't truly trust them or their motives. If they can't pass a legislations they get judicials to rule from the bench improperly and illegally to get their way.

THe COnstitution ISN'T a living breathing Document, its VERY clear what it says... and any deviation from its clear language should be made ONLY via amendments ratified by the states... not by a political appointee or appointees.

Hello again, smoothy:

I just don't see how activist judges are going to bring sharia law here. I can't make the connection... Hep me out.

excon

Hello again, smoothy:

I just don't see how activist judges are gonna bring sharia law here. I can't make the connection... Hep me out.

excon

All they (The Supreme Court activists) have to do is rule that it can be allowed... and then its constitution be damned from that point. Because you can't have two sets of conflicting laws for two different groups. And most parts of SHARIA are blatantly unconstitutional if not outright illegal.

And it wouldn't be the first time they have done it. Its not a foreign concept... the Democrat party has relied on it for years. Incrimentally pushing things on the population the majority doesn't want... and that would never pass via amendment.

Its been done in the UK, France and other European Countries and they are waking up to it now...

After all, who do the Supreme court answer too? They aren't elected, and the only way you can get one out is bump them off unless they drop dead on their own or retire voluntarily. They aren't elected by the American people, and the American people really have no say about who get on it... and with Congress and the Senate with 11% approval rates who honestly thinks they are acting on anyone's behalf but their own for the most part. It's the Special Interests that line their pockets... and that's who they listen too. At least during non-election years... then they pretend to care.

Simple numbers... they need 75% of 50 states to ratify an amendment... but it only takes 5 unelected Supreme court activist Judges to throw out any part of the Constitution or law on the books.

I see it differently, Smoothy. I don't think Shari'a will be instituted here. I see it covering the Mediterranean as the Ottomans did, along with Asia
Minor and the Malaysian Archipelago, all ruled from Teh'ran and Riyadh. Then when surrounded Israel defends itself from a nuclear armed Hamas(or, as they will likely be termed, Iranian irregulars), the whole planet burns.

This is not paranoia, this is extrapolation. I really really hope I'm wrong.