Frankly, I never thought about this issue until I heard of a recent survey on NPR.
Pew Survey: Growing Number Of Americans Say President Obama Is Muslim (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/08/19/129298975/growing-number-of-americans-believe-president-obama-is-muslim-pew-survey-shows)

I know that he attended a Christian church for many years up to recently... but also know now that in his autobiography he claims to be Muslim.

It blows my mind that a national and reputable organization would support and quote a "survey" on this issue.

Can anyone supply a recent quote from the President Obama where he affirms what his faith is as of today?

Where (on what page) of his autobiography does he claim to be a Muslim?

(And if he were, so what?)

Hello J:

Most Americans aren't very bright. They go along with who's yelling the loudest. It's a shame people believe what they do about him.

excon

Where (on what page) of his autobiography does he claim to be a Muslim?

(And if he were, so what?)
I don't really care, but I'd like to know. Is that OK?

In answer to your questions:

1. I've not read his autobiography but have read in other posts on this site that it is there:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/mosque-ground-zero-488247-7.html#post2486425

If that person is wrong, I'll be the first person to confess to "passing along rumors".

2. So what? I don't know, I was just asking. Is it not OK to ask or wonder what faith group the President of the US belongs to?

President Obama is a Christian.

What is "quoted" about President Obama being Muslim is taken out of context.

It's like if I would say Joggs doesn't really care about anything. But then that's not what you said, is it.

Wondergirl, please don't presume too much about me. I was just wondering.

Since you posted, I'll pick up a copy of Dreams from My Father and read for myself.

As a second thought/comment: You say that he is Christian. What is your source for that information?

The President is, or is not ,Christian . I think he attended services in Chi-town because it was poltically expedient to do so . He has not exactly shown an enthusiasm for attending services as President . He more likely will shoot hoops than attend services.

I really don't think it's a big deal. The only thing you can divine from his autobiographies is that he did attend a Muslim school as a young child. But ,that really doesn't tell you much . There are plenty of children who go to religious instructions and then make the decision to reject their parent's faith later . He's not said or done anything to suggest he follows Islam today.

His belief shouldn't matter, it's a personal issue.

I really don't think it's a big deal. .

I'll agree. I was just wondering. Since someone here said that Obama claimed to be a Muslim - and he apparently attended a Christian church for many years - and there's now a big survey... I just couldn't help but wonder.

Being that I saw it here on this site (see the link above) that he claimed to be Muslim, can anyone here who has read the book (especially member "smoothy" who said it) confirm what Obama said and on what page?

Again, I'm just wondering. Please don't beat me up too bad for wondering :o

His belief shouldn't matter, it's a personal issue.

Ok, but I'm just wondering. Isn't that OK here on a public forum?

Again, I'm just wondering. Please don't beat me up too bad for wondering

I'm not... it is a legit question ;and since you point out the survey published today ;it qualifies as Current Events .

I don't believe he has made any claim as an adult to being Muslim.

I don't believe he has made any claim as an adult to being Muslim.

So did "Smoothy" misquote him at the post I mentioned earlier? I'll find out for myself and pick up a copy of the book this afternoon.

Smoothy, are you here? If so, can you please tell me where to look for where Obama says that he is a Muslim? You said "Obama is a Muslim...and he said so in his own autobiography".

Being that I saw it here on this site (see the link above) that he claimed to be Muslim, can anyone here who has read the book (especially member "smoothy" who said it) confirm what Obama said and on what page?
I'm not beating you up. It's a fair question.

I too have asked for the page and quote (and name of the book), but no one who claims President Obama is Muslim has come forward yet. I'm still waiting.

Your question is fair. If I've presumed something that is not true then I will be the first to apologize.

Since we're on the subject of sources, Wondergirl, what is your source for saying that Obama is Christian?

President Obama is a Christian.

What is your source for believing that?

I don't believe you will find it in the autobiographies . But I will do a quick search. He has said things like "my Muslim faith " in an interview to ABC's George Stephanopoulos; but I don't think you can read too much into it. The fact that his father was Muslim is undeniable. But a comment like that could be cultural in context ;much like my saying "I'm Italian" .

He attended Rev, Wright's radical Trinity United Church of Christ in Chi-town for close to 20 years.

So did "Smoothy" misquote him at the post I mentioned earlier? You might to do your own research before using assertions from "Smoothy" - just a heads up.

You might to do your own research before using assertions from "Smoothy" - just a heads up.

I'm learning as I go. I should do my own research before using assersitions from ANYONE on a public forum.

Haha, I know the 3 most important things about real estate: 1. Location, 2. Location, and 3. Location.

I should know better and know the three most important rules about what I hear, read or see on TV: 1. Source, 2. Source, and 3. Source.

Cite your sources!
Right?

You can check my facts . According to his bios his father wasn't even that good a Muslim. He allegedly lost faith and became atheist.

My opinion... I don't think he holds any religious faith too intensely . Like I said... I think his attendance at Trinity was part political opportunism ,and part the parental obligation to raise your children with a moral foundation.

He sent NASA Administrator, Ret. General/Astronaut Bolden on tour to raise Muslim esteem (NASA site/Bolden speeches and Al-Jazerra interview)) while muslims kill American military.
He appointed devout muslims to high level Homeland Security positions (snopes.com: Muslims Appointed to Department of Homeland Security? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/dhs.asp))

Two well-documented, sourced, vetted, very pro-muslim facts.

Please respond with equally documented Obama Christian Support credentials.

He sent NASA Administrator, Ret. General/Astronaut Bolden on tour to raise Muslim esteem (NASA site/Bolden speeches and Al-Jazerra interview)) while muslims kill American military.
He appointed devout muslims to high level Homeland Security positions (snopes.com: Muslims Appointed to Department of Homeland Security? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/dhs.asp))

Two well-documented, sourced, vetted, very pro-muslim facts.

Please respond with equally documented Obama Christian Support credentials.

? I support Muslims but I'm not a Muslim. I'm not sure how your comments are an answer to my question.

I don't support muslims. I support the American troops fighting against muslims as we speak.

He sent NASA Administrator, Ret. General/Astronaut Bolden on tour to raise Muslim esteem (NASA site/Bolden speeches and Al-Jazerra interview)) while muslims kill American military.
He appointed devout muslims to high level Homeland Security positions (snopes.com: Muslims Appointed to Department of Homeland Security? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/dhs.asp))

Two well-documented, sourced, vetted, very pro-muslim facts.

Please respond with equally documented Obama Christian Support credentials.

snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama? (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp)

Obama has appointed Jews & Christians to various posts as well. Maybe he figures devout Muslims might have a better insight? I don't know. But, being a devout Muslim doesn't automatically make someone a Muslim terrorist.

I don't support muslims. I support the American troops fighting against muslims as we speak.Hello smear:

And, the Muslims fighting along WITH our soldiers?? What are they? Chopped liver?

Besides, I thought we went into Iraq to LIBERATE the Muslims. How does THAT sit with your anti-Muslim rant? You don't need to answer. There IS no answer to the stuff you're saying.

I WILL say this. I'm a Jew. If you want to know what lead to the holocaust, it was stuff LIKE THIS. I also know that you won't understand what I'm saying. Bigotry is BLIND.

excon

I don't support muslims. I support the American troops fighting against muslims as we speak.

That's a sad comment.
So what about the Muslims who are a part of our troops?

But I digress. Unless someone can quote Obama as to what he says his faith is, I guess there's no answer to my question.

I don't want a debate right here right now, I just asked a question.

I don't support muslims. I support the American troops fighting against muslims as we speak.Kill all the brown people!!!

Here is an interesting op-ed in a major.. um.. publication during the campaign.


It says that because the President's father was Muslim ,under Muslim law the President is one .For him to declare anything else makes him apostate.
The New York Times > Log In (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=3&pagewanted=print)

The only conclusion one can draw from anything I've read is that the President considers himself Christian .

Joggs, I am having trouble finding transcripts with actual quotes for some reason. I agree with Tom. Everything I have read points to Obama considering himself Christian. Here is one transcript I found that might help you.

Obama sets record straight on religion - Politics - Decision '08 - Barack Obama News - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22767392/)

"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
-Article VI, Section 3, United States Constitution

NK . No one is using his religion as a basis to say he's ineligible for the Presidency.

"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
-Article VI, Section 3, United States Constitution

I know. So what's the point of posting that?

I see only 2-3 posts here that even come close to being attempts to answer my question. Is that how things work here? Did I post in the wrong place?

I'm just reaffirming that the faith of a president shouldn't even be an issue. He needs not "affirm" his faith to anyone.

Did I post in the wrong place?Hello again, Joggs:

No. You just posted an insensitive question. I suspect that you are totally unaware of it, though, and I don't know how to explain it to you.

excon

Hello again, Joggs:

No. You just posted an insensitive question. I suspect that you are totally unaware of it, though, and I don't know how to explain it to you.

excon

So it's insensitive to wonder and ask? Wow.

I'm just reaffirming that the faith of a president shouldn't even be an issue. He needs not "affirm" his faith to anyone.

I've never suggested that he "need to". I'm mind blown how asking a simple question has brought out so many opinions and comments that have nothing to do with the question.

You say this:
I've never suggested that he "need to".

But your original question for this thread is:

Can anyone supply a recent quote from the President Obama where he affirms what his faith is as of today?

Which is it?

Hello again, Joggs:

His religion has been a topic for a long time. You're not the first to ask. One of the first major controversy's about him involved his CHRISTIAN CHURCH, and the Rev. Wright... So, to those who looked, his religion was clear from the get go.

Then came the accusations that he was SECRETLY a Muslim, or that he didn't tell the truth, or that the circumstances surrounding his birth are mysterious... This was done to paint him as someone "other" than us, someone "different", someone "not like you and me". Personally, I don't care if he's a Muslim or not, but the accusations weren't simply about his religion, the accusations were about his AMERICANISM, and his ALLEGIANCE to this country.

Now, you may have asked out of simple curiosity. But, LOTS of people who would ask the same thing, have a political AGENDA in mind. Only YOU know which one you are.

excon

I have no agenda. I just became curious based on the survey that I heard about on the radio.

Frankly, I presumed him to be Christian knowing that he went to a Christian church for a long time. It surprised me that the survey results were 1 in 4 presume him to be Muslim.

You say this:

But your original question for this thread is:


Which is it?

I guess the quote system is not working right.

I asked a question and in NO WAY suggested that he NEED to state it.

If the answer is "He's never stated it", then that's fine by me!

Don't presume what is not there in my question.

I don't think the question was insensitive . It frankly is surprising that there are so many people who hold the opinion .However I have not looked at the poll closely and don't know how the questions were framed ,or if the headline represents the results. 25% seems high for a fringe opinion.

Excon is correct in that there are many who question the legitimacy of his Presidency over birth (natural citizen qualification) . I believe I have proven those opinions as faulty .

excon is correct in that there are many who question the legitimacy of his Presidency over birth (natural citizen qualification) . I believe I have proven those opinions as faulty .

I too think that those are silly arguments.
As silly as judging him based on his religion.

Well, I don't know what religion he holds, or whether he actually holds one.

But, it is error to say that what religion a person holds has no bearing on what kind of president he will make.

What any one of us believes has a direct influence on what course we will follow. In other words, our religion shapes our world view.

Politicians hold beliefs of every kind. Protestant, Catholic, Atheist, Muslim, etc, and unless the professed faith is hypocritical, it does matter what they believe.

And even the hypocrisy matters.

Christians aren't allowed to attend a MADRAS, he attended a MADRAS, except his Mother, his entire family is Muslim. He told the Egyption Envoy he was Muslim.. and he's let it slip several other times...

Of course... he's the Messiah to the left and his word is Gospel to them. I myself believe the Messiah was here about 2010 years ago... he HASN'T returned YET.

I believe he's a closet Muslim that attended the Rev Wright Church of Hate Whitey for political gain in Chicago. He's got plenty of time for several vacations a month... but not an hour or two a week for church.

In fact since the Democrat Propaganda machine is in full swing their MUST be truth to it if they are doing damage control as aggressively as they are.

I'm surprised President dumboears hasn't filed to keep THAT secret as well with everything else about his past he's hiding. Maybe he will do that next week.

but not an hour or two a week for church.

No, just for an hour or so every morning to start his day. What do you do first thing in the morning?

No, just for an hour or so every morning to start out his day. What do you do first thing in the morning?

Anyone ever see him do that?

In private he can make any claim he wants... how can it be either proven or disproven. Convenient, huh?

After all with 20 years of the church of Hate Whitey with the Rascist Rev Wright at the pulpit... Its an offense to good Christians for him to claim to be one of us.

Well, I am a christian myself, but I do not see any evidence that Obama is a muslim. Even if he is a Muslim, as long as it is not affecting his decisions I don't see how it really matters.

I have no agenda. I just became curious based on the survey that I heard about on the radio.

Frankly, I presumed him to be Christian knowing that he went to a Christian church for a long time. It surprised me that the survey results were 1 in 4 presume him to be Muslim.

You do know about what sort of "Church" he attended... it was akin to a white person attending KKK rallies.

THe Rev Wright he respected so much spewed hatred to white americans and the United States... and there are plenty of video and audio of those hate speachs out there.

The Rev Wright Obama said was his mentor makes the Aryan Brotherhood seem like a tollerant and racially inclusive bunch.

Well, I am a christian myself, but I do not see any evidence that Obama is a muslim. Even if he is a Muslim, as long as it is not affecting his decisions I don't see how it really matters.How many Christians you know ever spent their Childhood in a Muslim Madras (religious school). Those are OFF limits to anyone who is not Muslim.

Anyone ever see him do that?
His wife and kids.

Well, mixing politics and religion, two major no nos. This is bound to cause a fight. OP, was that you intention?

I'm not American, so maybe I don't have a say in this, but, who cares what religion he is?

I understand that many people think that his religion will dictate what he does, but I think that's a cop out, a handy little excuse to disagree with him when he does something you don't like, than it's easy to say "Oh, he did it because he's Muslim".

Whatever faith he is, he doesn't seem to be making it public, so why would it effect how he rules the US?

It's a non issue as far as I'm concerned, or is everyone saying that only a Christian should be allowed to hold the position of President?

How many Christians you know ever spent their Childhood in a Muslim Madras (religious school). Those are OFF limits to anyone who is not Muslim.
His Muslim father put him, a minor child, into that school. He had no choice if he had even thought there was a choice. That was over 40 years ago. As a kid, I attended a Baptist Sunday School and church for a while, but no one has ever called me Baptist.

It's a non issue as far as I'm concerned, or is everyone saying that only a Christian should be allowed to hold the position of President?
Republican President Nixon was a Quaker. Democrat President JFK was Catholic. (You should have heard the outcry back then! )

I still don't understand why it matters? If he attended church every Sunday, took communion, prayed to God and Jesus and read the bible, would that make everyone happy?

If so, why?

Why does it matter?

Do you judge a man by his worth or his religion? It seems that it's the latter, which makes me very afraid.

Christian, Muslim, Pentecostal, Deist, Wiccan, it shouldn't matter. He isn't the Pope, he's the president. :(

Republican President Nixon was a Quaker. Democrat President JFK was Catholic. (You should have heard the outcry back then!!)

And it's still going on to this day.

What happened to freedom of religion? Is that just talk?

What happened to freedom of religion? Is that just talk?
Apparently it's freedom of religion only if someone is the same religion as the one complaining.

His wife and kids.Can't see him do what he's not doing.

Apparently it's freedom of religion only if someone is the same religion as the one complaining.It matters when One religion has a history of Civil rights abuses and forcing women into virtual slavery.

And it REALLY matter when he lies about it.

Particularly since he has turned his back on Isreal our Allie... and sucks up to Hamas a terrorist organization that vows to destroy Isreal, which is in their Charter.

Can't see him do what he's not doing.
You know for sure he's not?

It matters when One religion has a history of Civil rights abuses and forcing women into virtual slavery.
Ever read the Bible, especially the Old Testament?

You know for sure he's not?

He made the claim... its up to hiom to prove it... after 20 years of Rev Wrights hate speaches... the man has no credibility. He's a rascist at heart. Only a rascist spends 20 years listening to hate speech.

If it I had spent 20 years at KKK or Aryan Brootherhood meetings... I'd have one hell of a hard time proving I wasn't one of them.

He made the claim...its up to hiom to prove it
Why does it have to prove it?

Ever read the Bible, especially the Old Testament?Old Testiment has nothing to do with today... and Incidentally... I'm not Jewish... the New testiment has greater importance in the Christian faith the Old testiment is a base... but not irrelevant, and yes I have read it. Memorized no, but read yes.. And the Muslims have recently been guilty of far worse than the worst you find in the old testiment.

That is CENTURIES Older than Islam... who at no point in their history has any record of civil rights towards anyone. They are effecetive brainwashers however... they treat women like crap... and make them like it.

No I don't envy that... I don't look down my nose at women.

It matters when One religion has a history of Civil rights abuses and forcing women into virtual slavery.

And it REALLY matter when he lies about it.

Particularly since he has turned his back on Israel our Allie...and sucks up to Hamas a terrorist organization that vows to destroy Israel, which is in their Charter.

Obama is not a Muslim. Just because his father was one does not make him one. My father was baptist, I am not. There have been people born to Atheist parents and they have embraced a religion.
He was married in a Christian church, raised his kids in a Christian church and professes to be a Christian and unless anybody here has the power to divine the heart of a person, to say he is not a Christian is a stretch.
What else does the man have to do. No other president has been held to this standard.

Smoothy, I have to ask. Do you have a problem with his religion or his politics?

He has stated time and time again that he's a Christian. What more proof does anyone need, and again, why should it matter? If he is Muslim, that's his religion, not his politics.

Why do people have to prove their religious beliefs? People do change religions. Maybe he was Muslim, but now he claims to be Christian, and that should be enough.

I was Lutheran, went to a Catholic school. Now I'm a Deist. Do I have to prove I'm not Lutheran or Catholic? After all, I have the background. I was baptized in the Lutheran faith. I was confirmed in the Lutheran faith. I do not consider myself Lutheran.

Why does it have to prove it?

He has been calling out all his propagandists in the leftwing media outlets...

If he was and it was so personal to him... why the need to spread all the false propaganda.

The drive by media repeats anything they are told to repeat by their religious leader. ANd every one uses the same worrds and same quotes. Impossible if they were not all reading off the same script they were told to read from.

Smoothy, I have to ask. Do you have a problem with his religion or his politics?

He has stated time and time again that he's a Christian. What more proof does anyone need, and again, why should it matter? If he is Muslim, that's his religion, not his politics.

Why do people have to prove their religious beliefs? People do change religions. Maybe he was Muslim, but now he claims to be Christian, and that should be enough.

I was Lutheran, went to a Catholic school. Now I'm a Deist. do I have to prove I'm not Lutheran or Catholic? After all, I have the background. I was baptized in the Lutheran faith. I was confirmed in the Lutheran faith. I do not consider myself Lutheran.

I'm not a fan of Obamas'. If he is a Christian he'll show it. He'll make mistakes as all of do. Who am I to say he isn't?

So it's true then. Freedom of religion only applies if the person is the same religion as you.

Good to know. :(

I'm not a fan of Obamas'. If he is a Christian he'll show it. he'll make mistakes as all of do. Who am I to say he isn't?

My question is "why does it matter?"

If he's not Christian does that make him ineligible to be president? Do Americans only elect Christians? If so, than why preach "Freedom of religion" when that's obviously not the case?

Smoothy, I have to ask. Do you have a problem with his religion or his politics?

He has stated time and time again that he's a Christian. What more proof does anyone need, and again, why should it matter? If he is Muslim, that's his religion, not his politics.

Why do people have to prove their religious beliefs? People do change religions. Maybe he was Muslim, but now he claims to be Christian, and that should be enough.

I was Lutheran, went to a Catholic school. Now I'm a Deist. do I have to prove I'm not Lutheran or Catholic? After all, I have the background. I was baptized in the Lutheran faith. I was confirmed in the Lutheran faith. I do not consider myself Lutheran.

I have a problem BOTH with his religion AND his Politics... in fact there is NOTHING I like about him. And for a number of reasons. The man is a liar, and caught in lie after lie. The man is NOT what he pretends to be...

He is a socialist who thinks those of us that work HAVE to support the lazy half the population which Also contributes ZERO in taxes here.

And as it is under Obama 38% and a growing percentage of the population pay not taxes... he expects the rest of us to hand over OUR earnings to give to the lazy ones.

IN his campaign he said he wants to share the wealth... that means take from those who earned it to give to those who didn't.

I didn't go to college, spend 10 years paying that off, and 30 years clawing my way to where I am to give most of what I earn to a high school dropout drug dealer who thinks he is entitled ot the same stuff I have earned.

Incidentally in the last two years, I forget the exact date he HAS told Egyption dignataries he was Muslim, In his autobiographies he says he was Muslim... except for his mother his entire family is Muslim... he went to muslim only schools as a child...

THe ONLY Christian church he has been seen in was a glorified rascist back church that preached hatred of white people and hatred of America... he went there 20 years and claims he heard none of it... yet that Preacher has Dozens of CD's for sale OF his hatred laced sermons that were sold to anyone who would buy them. So there is tons of proof of that.


He refused to attend a prayer breakfast after he was sworn in... but he attended a Muslim ceremony recently.

If that was a republican President he would have been Impeached before his first six months in office.

Its more about the fact he lies about his religion and everything. What is he hiding? He can't be both. THe two religions are mutually exclusive. You either Believe in Mohammed or Jesus Christ.

He made the claim...its up to him to prove it....after 20 years of Rev Wrights hate speeches....the man has no credibility. He's a racist at heart. Only a racist spends 20 years listening to hate speech.

If it I had spent 20 years at KKK or Aryan Brotherhood meetings... I'd have one hell of a hard time proving I wasn't one of them.

Have you hear 20 years of Wrights sermons? All you have heard is what was shown in the media. I know a lot of people who attend that church and they are not racist and all of his sermons are not like that. Did you hear the context of the remarks he made in that particular sermon? Obama is not a racist.

We have basically been listening to hate speech about Obama for almost two years it's no wonder people are believing what they really want to believe to begin with.
But to call that man a Muslim racist is irresponsible. You don't know what's in that man's heart. All you know is what you have been led to believe.

So it's true then. Freedom of religion only applies if the person is the same religion as you.

Good to know. :(

No I'm not saying that. I am a Baptist. I was brought up that you love people. I don't love a lot of people. I don't hate them. Let's say you were Catholic or Jewish. I respect your faith. You are a deist. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have the same rights as everybody else.

Or vice versa. Let's say everyone in the world were mostly diest. I should and you should have freedom to believe any thing you like. No Alty no one has a right to take away anyone's freedom of religion. Obama set himself up to called a Muslim.

How has he set himself up to be called a Muslim?

Obama has gone to the same church since he has been married. His children were baptized in the Church. He has never been referred to as a Muslim until now.
Why do you suppose that is?

I have a problem BOTH with his religion AND his Politics....in fact there is NOTHING I like about him. And for a number of reasons. The man is a liar, and caught in lie after lie. The man is NOT what he pretends to be...

He is a socialist who thinks those of us that work HAVE to support the lazy half the population which Also contributes ZERO in taxes here.

And as it is under Obama 38% and a growing percentage of the population pay not taxes....he expects the rest of us to hand over OUR earnings to give to the lazy ones.

IN his campaign he said he wants to share the wealth....that means take from those who earned it to give to those who didn't.

I didn't go to college, spend 10 years paying that off, and 30 years clawing my way to where I am to give most of what I earn to a high school dropout drug dealer who thinks he is entitled ot the same stuff I have earned.

Incidently in the last two years, I forget the exact date he HAS told Egyption dignataries he was Muslim, In his autobiographies he says he was Muslim...except for his mother his entire family is Muslim....he went to muslim only schools as a child....

THe ONLY Christian church he has been seen in was a gorified rascist back church that preached hatred of white people and hatred of America....he went there 20 years and claims he heard none of it...yet that Preacher has Doezens of DC's for sale OF his hatred laced sermons that ewre sold to anyone who would buy them. So there is tons of proof of that.


He refused to attend a prayer breakfast after he was sworn in.....but he attened a Muslim cerimony recently.

If that was a republican President he would have been Impeached before his first six months in office.

Who was "the Godly President" who lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction... Mr. "I am such a good Christian Bush." He lied to this country and his lies cost so many men and woman their lives. What for? Tell a mother who is handed folded flag he is a good "Christian he Not only was he incredibly stupid and a drunk he was a liar.man"... :mad:

Obama has gone to the same church since he has been married. His children were babtised in the Church. He has never been referred to as a Muslim until now.
Why do you suppose that is?Really, you live in a sheltered world and only listen to liberal media then. THis is stuff that's Been well Publicized.


Ever hear Reverand Wrights Hate speaches before... google them up if you haven't.

He makes Adolf Hitler seem like a moderate person.

Who was "the Godly President" who lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction...Mr. "I am such a good Christian Bush." He lied to this country and his lies cost so many men and woman their lives. What for? Tell a mother who is handed folded flag he is a good "Christian he Not only was he incredibly stupid and a drunk he was a liar.man"...:mad:

The lie you claim was proven to be total Bullsh*t. Proven in the Congressional record. Bush never lied about that..

Every Member of Congress including all the Leading Democrats saw and are on record having seen those same reports and agreeing the WMD's existed... except Obama who voted Present .
Anything else are total LIES spread by Democrats...

except Obama who voted Present .
In Illinois (where I went to college and live now) plus in a few more states, a "present" vote means "you haven't proven your case. Work on it and get back to me."

From your favorite Tar Heel

The lie you claim was proven to be total Bullsh*t. Proven in the Congressional record.

Every Member of Congress including all the Leading Democrats saw and are on record having seen those same reports and agreeing the WMD's existed.....except Obama who voted Present .
Anything else are total LIES spread by Democrats...

Seeing reeports is not the same as seeing the weapons. He wanted a chance to get sadaam and he did. Because as he so eloquently said; "He tried to kill my Daddy" There were no weapons.

He refused to attend a prayer breakfast after he was sworn in... but he attended a Muslim ceremony recently.

So is the problem that you believe he's lying?

If that's it, well, no one can really prove that he is lying. He says he's Christian, and I don't see any reason for him to lie about that. If he isn't, how can you prove it? Going to a Muslim school, having family members that are Muslim, that doesn't prove anything. My father was Catholic, my mother was Lutheran, I was raised Lutheran, baptized Lutheran, confirmed Lutheran. I was even married in a Lutheran church and my son was baptized as Lutheran as well. I went to a Catholic school.

I am neither Lutheran or Catholic. I was Lutheran. I did believe in the Lutheran religion for most of my childhood and many years of my adult life. I am now a Deist. I can't prove it though. If you base my religion on my past teachings, you'd have to say I'm Lutheran. I'm not.

I'm not into politics, especially because I don't get to vote (not a Canadian citizen). Also, I'm not in the US, so although I know who the president is, and have heard many things about him and his politics, I'm not as well versed on what he's doing in the US as a US citizen is.

The only issue I have with this thread and many of the posts in it, are his faith. The US prides itself on the constitution. The constitution states that freedom of religion is a right to every US citizen. Is Obama a US citizen? Yes. Does he not deserve the rights that every other US citizen has, that of freedom of religion?

You don't have to agree with other religions. Every one has the right to believe what they want. If he chooses to believe in Christianity, that's his right. If he chooses the Muslim religion, that's also his right. If he decides that there is no God and becomes an Atheist, that's also his right.

His religion shouldn't have anything to do with his ability, or lack thereof, to be President.

Homegirl ;

My pastor never uttered such hate filled diatribes not in 20 years and certainly not in 15 second segments.

I don't think there is any place on a Christian pulpit for the Rev Wright's type of sermon.

That being said, I really don't think the President paid much attention . It is my contention that the Ivy League graduate attended the church for the street cred... pure political opportunism .

It was wise for the President to throw the Rev under the bus .Again ,the politically expedient move.

He would never be a practicing Muslim in this country .Why ? Political expediency.

How has he set himself up to be called a Muslim?

His Autobiographies.. that he couldn't delare a national secretlike his College transcripts and his records as Illinoise senator and hide.

He also hung out with and palled around with The convicted Weather Underground terrorist.

His close buddies are in jail... he hung around with the nicest bunch of convicted criminals.

No I'm not saying that. I am a Baptist. I was brought up that you love people. I don't love a lot of people. I don't hate them. Let's say you were Catholic or Jewish. I respect your faith. You are a deist. that doesn't mean you shouldn't have the same rights as everybody else.

Or vice versa. Let's say everyone in the world were mostly diest. I should and you should have freedom to believe any thing you like. No Alty no one has a right to take away anyones freedom of religion. Obama set himself up to called a Muslim.

Kit sweetie, my post wasn't directed at you.

I agree with you. Everyone should be allowed their own beliefs. That's what bothers me about this thread. The topic "Obama: Christian or Muslim?" and the discussion, it shouldn't happen.

If there is freedom of religion in the US, this thread shouldn't exist.

I'm not talking about Reverend Wright, I'm talking about Obama. He has never been referred to as a Muslim and I would imagine you can find all kinds of unsubstantiated crap on some of those websites.

I do know people that go to his church and all of his sermons are not like that although he has been known to speak out against racial injustice.
Again have you heard all of his sermons, did you hear that one in it's entirety? What was the context in which that particular one took place.
You don't like Obama and that is your right but to make statements that are so wrong, based on nothing but your opinion is irresponsible.
The man is not a racist and he is not a Muslim.
He may not go to church every Sunday, he may not wear his Christianity on his sleeve but if he professes Christianity and he does, who are we to say he is not.
Unless of course you don't like him and so you will believe any negative thing that is out there and said.

So is the problem that you believe he's lying?

If that's it, well, no one can really prove that he is lying. He says he's Christian, and I don't see any reason for him to lie about that. If he isn't, how can you prove it? Going to a Muslim school, having family members that are Muslim, that doesn't prove anything. My father was Catholic, my mother was Lutheran, I was raised Lutheran, baptized Lutheran, confirmed Lutheran. I was even married in a Lutheran church and my son was baptized as Lutheran as well. I went to a Catholic school.

I am neither Lutheran or Catholic. I was Lutheran. I did believe in the Lutheran religion for most of my childhood and many years of my adult life. I am now a Deist. I can't prove it though. If you base my religion on my past teachings, you'd have to say I'm Lutheran. I'm not.

I'm not into politics, especially because I don't get to vote (not a Canadian citizen). Also, I'm not in the US, so although I know who the president is, and have heard many things about him and his politics, I'm not as well versed on what he's doing in the US as a US citizen is.

The only issue I have with this thread and many of the posts in it, are his faith. The US prides itself on the constitution. The constitution states that freedom of religion is a right to every US citizen. Is Obama a US citizen? Yes. Does he not deserve the rights that every other US citizen has, that of freedom of religion?

You don't have to agree with other religions. Every one has the right to believe what they want. If he chooses to believe in Christianity, that's his right. If he chooses the Muslim religion, that's also his right. If he decides that there is no God and becomes an Atheist, that's also his right.

His religion shouldn't have anything to do with his ability, or lack thereof, to be President.

Everyone said JFK would never beat Nixon because JFK was Catholic. There's one for the books. He did win and was a very well loved President. Doesn't matter how you believe or I believe it's what we stand for that counts. I voted for Bush and I have regretted it. There had never been a Catholic president before, JFK changed that.

I'm saying we should all love each other no matter what we believe.

George Bush was a cheerleader in College and barely made passing grades.

His Autobiographies
Did you read his books?

that he couldn't delare a national secretlike his College transcripts and his records as Illinoise senator and hide.
Those are private as someone has already told you. Even my husband can't get a copy of mine unless I give the college official and formal permission to release them.

He also hung out with and palled around with The convicted Weather Underground terrorist.
No, he didn't. His campaign for state senator started in his neighborhood and the host happened to be the Ayers. They served on a committee together for a while. Ayers knows more about me than he does President Obama.

His close buddies are in jail... he hung around with the nicest bunch of convicted criminals.
Wrong again. They are not close at all. I'm closer to you than he is to them.

Everyone said JFK would never beat Nixon because JFK was Catholic. There's one for the books. He did win and was a very well loved President. Doesn't matter how you believe or I believe it's what we stand for that counts. I voted for Bush and I have regretted it. There had never been a Catholic president before, JFK changed that.

I'm saying we should all love each other no matter what we believe.

I agree Kit. Faith shouldn't matter. Religion is just a belief. {{{{Kit}}}}

This thread isn't about politics, or who Obama is friends with, or what he has or hasn't done for the country. The OP asked if Obama is Christian or Muslim. That's it. Now it's turned into a fight about Obama's politics. That's not what the OP asked.

So, to answer the OP's question, freedom of religion is a constitutional right. Whether the president is Christian or Muslim doesn't matter, it has no bearing on his presidency. The fact that I'm in Canada, not the US, and apparently I care more about the US constitution than many of the people on this thread, is very sad.

The fact that I'm in Canada, not the US, and apparently I care more about the US constitution than many of the people on this thread, is very sad.
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Right back at you WG. :)

I think Reverend Wright is a hate Monger. To compare him to Adolph Hitler is asinine. Six-million Jewish people. Remember? Rev. Wright should be thrown out of the church for spreading his hate and Bigotry.

Adolph Hitler was a monster.

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Personally, I think it's time to close this thread. I can only see this getting ugly... er.

I respect everyone's right to their opinion, and to their faith, but the question the OP has asked should have been an easy one to answer. It shouldn't be on the 10th page of discussion/argument.

We have to learn to tolerate others beliefs. We don't have to agree with every religion out there, but the people that follow those religions have a right to do so. That's the bottom line.

Love you all. Smoothy, you know I respect you, and I like you, I just don't agree this time. Doesn't change the fact that I think you're a good person. I hope you can understand that.

Time to close?

Homegirl ;

My pastor never uttered such hate filled diatribes not in 20 years and certainly not in 15 second segments.

I don't think there is any place on a Christian pulpit for the Rev Wright's type of sermon.

That being said, I really don't think the President paid much attention . It is my contention that the Ivy League graduate attended the church for the street cred....pure political opportunism .

It was wise for the President to throw the Rev under the bus .Again ,the politically expedient move.

He would never be a practicing Muslim in this country .Why ? Political expediency.
How much of that did you hear, do you know the context of the sermon.
I grew up in the 50s and I would imagine white folk would have wanted to hang many a black pastor that spoke on bigotry and how white folk were doing blacks, how the government could care less because they were bigots too. That God would punish the United States for the evil of Slavery.
That was not hate speech but at that time it was truth. And there are pastors who will still speak on that truth.
I have also attended white churches that taught n***ers were not human and should not be allowed to sit along side whites. That they will not be allowed in their church no matter what law was passed and those fine Christians set up in there every Sunday knowing they were going to heaven.

This is about Obama. He has said he is Christian and unless you know what is in his heart, who are you to say he is not? I would venture to say he may not be the only one to go to a church because it made him look good. In fact there are probably a whole lot of folk sitting up in church every Sunday for that reason.

How much of that did you hear, do you know the context of the sermon.
I grew up in the 50s and I would imagine white folk would have wanted to hang many a black pastor that spoke on bigotry and how white folk were doing blacks, how the government could care less because they were bigots too. That God would punish the United States for the evil of Slavery.
That was not hate speech but at that time it was truth. And there are pastors who will still speak on that truth.
I have also attended white churches that taught n***ers were not human and should not be allowed to sit along side whites. That they will not be allowed in their church no matter what law was passed and those fine Christians set up in there every Sunday knowing they were going to heaven.

This is about Obama. He has said he is Christian and unless you know what is in his heart, who are you to say he is not? I would venture to say he may not be the only one to go to a church because it made him look good. In fact there are probably a whole lot of folk sitting up in church every Sunday for that reason.

I lived in the South and never once did I hear a Pastor use the N word.
If one of us had ever uttered that word my Dad would have tanned our hide. I believe in God and Jesus and I have friends who do not. It doesn't make me love them any less.

I do believe that the Bible is being fulfilled every day and I think we are living in the last days. There are people who will scoff. That's fine.
I think we need to love each other and live like this were our last day on earth.. God is Love

KitKat, not everyone believes as you do and not everyone has lived as you have.
I have heard the word many times in my life and I have heard it uttered by so called Christians and pastors. Although some I think used the word because they grew up with the word. They heard it in their home so they use it, not realizing how ugly it is.
It's good that you have love in your heart.

I am a Christian and I don't hate anybody of any race or creed and I have a difficult time understanding the anger, hate and lies about Obama, based on nothing but the fact they just don't like him, so they will believe any bad thing about him and refuse to hear any good.
I'm glad our heavenly Father is not that way.
But people will be people and I am done with this.
Have a good night and weekend.

KitKat, not everyone believes as you do and not everyone has lived as you have.
I have heard the word many times in my life and I have heard it uttered by so called Christians and pastors. Although some I think used the word because they grew up with the word. They heard it in their home so they use it, not realizing how ugly it is.
It's good that you have love in your heart.

I am a Christian and I don't hate anybody of any race or creed and I have a difficult time understanding the anger, hate and lies about Obama, based on nothing but the fact they just don't like him, so they will believe any bad thing about him and refuse to hear any good.
I'm glad our heavenly Father is not that way.
But people will be people and I am done with this.
have a good night and weekend.

I don't hate Obama, I did however despise George Bush and as I said I voted for him. I am concerned with the way the world is and how my grandchildren will have to face it headon. I was really hoping Obama could help this country heal. I don't think anyone but the good lord can do that.

Homegirl, I think that you're view on things is dead on.

I too hate the lies, or anything people can find to hate one man. Who cares what his belief is? It's not about belief, and that's a fact. It's about politics. It's about hate. This thread wasn't started and didn't continue because of religious belief. It thrived on hate. Religion was just the stepping stone.

I was raised Lutheran, but I have to say, my parents never pushed that belief on me. Now that I'm older (ha, older, I'll be 40 soon) I've decided my beliefs for myself.

I have friends that are devout Catholics, friends that are firm Atheists. I even have one friend that's a Satanist. I have Wiccan friends, Muslim friends, Baptist friends. Every single one of them are good people. I don't categorize them based on their beliefs, and they show me the same respect.

This thread is about hate. I couldn't sit by and watch it, so, in my own way, I tried to make everyone realize that the actual topic, whether Obama is Christian or Muslim, doesn't matter.

I don't know if I succeeded, but I do find it telling that all the hate posts stopped after I mentioned the constitution and the fact that I seem to care about it more than Americans do.

It's belief everyone. It means nothing to anyone but you. You have the right to believe whatever you want, as does everyone else.

Homegirl, I think that you're view on things is dead on.

I too hate the lies, or anything people can find to hate one man. Who cares what his belief is? It's not about belief, and that's a fact. It's about politics. It's about hate. This thread wasn't started and didn't continue because of religious belief. It thrived on hate. Religion was just the stepping stone.

I was raised Lutheran, but I have to say, my parents never pushed that belief on me. Now that I'm older (ha, older, I'll be 40 soon) I've decided my beliefs for myself.

I have friends that are devout Catholics, friends that are firm Atheists. I even have one friend that's a Satanist. I have Wiccan friends, Muslim friends, Baptist friends. Every single one of them are good people. I don't categorize them based on their beliefs, and they show me the same respect.

This thread is about hate. I couldn't sit by and watch it, so, in my own way, I tried to make everyone realize that the actual topic, whether Obama is Christian or Muslim, doesn't matter.

I don't know if I succeeded, but I do find it telling that all the hate posts stopped after I mentioned the constitution and the fact that I seem to care about it more than Americans do.

It's belief everyone. It means nothing to anyone but you. You have the right to believe whatever you want, as does everyone else.



I think ignorance is the worst thing. My dad always said you can tell how a person feels in his heart by the way he treats other people. He taught me kidness is more important than being rich. I wish we all could come together and make a difference by showing love and tolerance and not turn a blind eye to hatred and racism and bigotry. I do hope Obama does a good job.

Alty you said it all, you and me and wg and hg all of us have that freedom. I hope people realize it came at a high price.

There are many types of churches, here in Atlanta, we have one that I refer to as "black power" but it basically teaches that all white people are of ( or are) the devil. And that no black person should have any dealings with them.

Also the real black Jesus has not come yet but he will come to save his real people from the hands of Satan ( white people)

They have a large church in the West End of Atlanta, they were clergy clothes, look like any other church from the outside.

**** I guess I have to ask, if you changed the words white and black and a white church tried to preach that, how many law suits would be against it.


And by the way, my opinion, Obama is a politician. He went to the right churches to be with the right people at the time for his career in Illinois. And when it was a liability he cut the ties, for now

Most people don't give a hoot what religion they are... as long as they are honest about it.

The coverup after a lie is ALWAYS worse than the truth would have been.

Richard Nixon learned that... So did Bill Clinton. So far the apologists for Obama have been aiding the coverup. But his day of reckoning is coming.

Most people don't give a hoot what religion they are....as long as they are honest about it.

The coverup after a lie is ALWAYS worse than the truth would have been.

Richard Nixon learned that....So did Bill Clinton.

And Bush... the Cheerleader? What did he learn? How to lie better?

Bush perhaps learned ( or knew) not to go hunting with Chaney

bush perhaps learned ( or knew) not to go hunting with chaney

Omg::D

And Bush...the Cheerleader? What did he learn? How to lie better?Bush Lied as much as you are... exactly what lie did he tell that you can prove?

Still on that fake WMD claim... do you have ANY clue as to how national security reports work, have you ever seen one in your life? Because ALL the top Democrats that were in office then saw them, they are on record proving they saw them... they are also audibly on the record saying their WAS WMD's and they saw the very same report Bush saw.

Do you really have a clue who generates that report? Do you believe it originates in the Oval office.. Bwaaaahahahaha... you really don't have a clue about any of this.

Clearly you don't and haven't based on your comments. Because you see, I have actually seen more than one... I know who creates them, what they contain, who sees them and in what order and the timelines of it, and particularly that the records of every person that touches it are all recorded.

Oh well, getting a little too hot and heavy even for the discussion area.

Closed, we can go fight on a new thread