Why are they doing this to pitbulls its turcher!!

Sick, demented people with no lives and little... brains.

There are illegal groups that gamble on the dogs fighting,its for money,that's why.

It does not make it right by any means,but cruelty to animals,example,coursing,puppy farms,battery(sp) hens have all been around for a long time.

If you know of someone who is fighting dogs my advice would be to report them to the police.

Disgusting, pathetic excuses for human beings. No morals, and no brains, just total waste of human parts.

Because it makes money - if nobody bet, if nobody went to a dog fight, there would be no such industry.

Same with bullfighting, cockfighting, any other illegal activity.

The dogs were created for dog fighting. That's what they were made to do. Dog fighting was legal, but then animal activists stepped in and called it cruel.

Its not right.. Its not OK.. Its sick and horrible. Unfortunately it will never end.

The dogs were created for dog fighting. Thats what they were made to do. Dog fighting was legal, but then animal activists stepped in and called it cruel.

Its not right.. Its not ok.. Its sick and horrible. Unfortunately it will never end.


I don't know that animal activists stepped in and called it cruel.

I think people "stepped in" and called it cruel... because it is. You don't have to be an activist to think so. Ever investigate a dog fight ring? Ever seen the dogs up close and personal? I have. It's not pretty and the photos don't do it justice.

When I saw the ring the losing dogs were drowned, also for the pleasure f the spectators.

Again - animal activists didn't call it cruel. They brought it to the attention of other people who saw it for what it is.

Suffering by anything or anybody for the pleasure of others? That's sick.

Gladiators were a sick "business."

I don't know that animal activists stepped in and called it cruel.

I think people "stepped in" and called it cruel ... because it is. You don't have to be an activist to think so. Ever investigate a dog fight ring? Ever seen the dogs up close and personal? I have. It's not pretty and the photos don't do it justice.

When I saw the ring the losing dogs were drowned, also for the pleasure f the spectators.

Again - animal activists didn't call it cruel. They brought it to the attention of other people who saw it for what it is.

Suffering by anything or anybody for the pleasure of others? That's sick.

Gladiators were a sick "business."


And what makes things worse, now people want to kill the breed off because of some punk gangbangers that want to fight dogs. I feel bad for the pits... or any other fighting breed. We created them, praised them for what they did... and now we want to kill them off because of what we created. I hate it.. absolutely hate it.

Never saw the actual rings or fighting dogs, but during rescue, we got a few bait dogs in. Completely traumatized and of other dogs and various shaped objects.. all marked up... poor babies :(

Is there a specific reason for the 'question' or is it designed to begin a 'discussion'? In other words, do you really want a history lesson?

My smaller dog was a teaser dog, not a bait dog, and she certainly has "issues."

People who have no feelings for anything. Poor Dogs.. they have a higher IQ then the ones who breed them to fight.

I just wanted to correct something. Pit bulls were created to heard cows and sheep. They go for the nose of the animal to keep it from straying. Then some sick people figured out how to turn this instinct in to a sick sport.

i just wanted to correct something. Pit bulls were created to heard cows and sheep. They go for the nose of the animal to keep it from straying. Then some sick people figured out how to turn this instinct in to a sick sport.



Please post your source. My understanding is that they were bred to fight bulls and bears in England, a favorite "sport" of many Kings, including Henry VIII.

In fact - "His ancestors were brought to the United States in the mid - 1800's by Boston-Irish immigrants. Originally bred from a variety of bulldogs and terriers, American breeders increased his weight and gave him a more powerful head. A forbearer to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, they were originally bred to be a fighting dog. Bull baiting was banned in England in 1835 and these dogs are no longer being bred to fight. There is some complication in registries of this breed. The AKC considers the American Staffordshire Terrier as separate and distinct from the American Pit Bull Terrier, yet the UKC will register both as American Pit Bull Terriers (APBTs)." American Pit Bull Terrier (http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/americanpitbullterrier.html)

I'm a liability investigator; I've testified as to the results of my investigation, the origin of my photos; listened to a breeder as well as a Vet on more than one occasion (when it's been a horrific attack); the above is what I have heard and what I understand.

Please post your source. My understanding is that they were bred to fight bulls and bears in England, a favorite "sport" of many Kings, including Henry VIII.

In fact - "His ancestors were brought to the United States in the mid - 1800's by Boston-Irish immigrants. Originally bred from a variety of bulldogs and terriers, American breeders increased his weight and gave him a more powerful head. A forbearer to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, they were originally bred to be a fighting dog. Bull baiting was banned in England in 1835 and these dogs are no longer being bred to fight. There is some complication in registries of this breed. The AKC considers the American Staffordshire Terrier as separate and distinct from the American Pit Bull Terrier, yet the UKC will register both as American Pit Bull Terriers (APBTs)." American Pit Bull Terrier (http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/americanpitbullterrier.html)

I'm a liability investigator; I've testified as to the results of my investigation, the origin of my photos; listened to a breeder as well as a Vet on more than one occasion (when it's been a horrific attack); the above is what I have heard and what I understand.


We are both right. Look in the 15th paragraph.

Pit Bull Breed History -- Pitbull (http://www.pitbull411.com/history.html)

I would paste it bit it says not to. When they first came to America that was the use. But you are correct when first created they were protectors then fight dogs. That link list a lot of great info.

Is there a specific reason for the 'question' or is it designed to begin a 'discussion'? In other words, do you really want a history lesson?


Apparently the question is both - a discussion and a history lesson.

Either way if ONE person learns SOMETHING about dog fighting, the thread is worthwhile.

Apparently the question is both - a discussion and a history lesson.

Either way if ONE person learns SOMETHING about dog fighting, the thread is worthwhile.




I totally agree!

Apparently the question is both - a discussion and a history lesson.

Either way if ONE person learns SOMETHING about dog fighting, the thread is worthwhile.

I agree! Had to spread the rep.

Apparently the question is both - a discussion and a history lesson.

Either way if ONE person learns SOMETHING about dog fighting, the thread is worthwhile.

That's why I kept it here. Hopefully someone will read our thoughts on the issue as well as the facts about dog fighting.

Any objections about it being in dogs, let me know and I'll move it to a discussion forum.

That's why I kept it here. Hopefully someone will read our thoughts on the issue as well as the facts about dog fighting.

Any objections about it being in dogs, let me know and I'll move it to a discussion forum.

I have no problems with history lessons or personal opinions about those involved. I just want to make certain that there isn't a specific 'they' that the op is concerned about. Making certain that the op gets the information he/she needs.

For example: In the past few weeks, a ring was closed down in my region. It has led to comments/questions like the op's on the local news' message boards. An interesting thought about 'what goes around comes around', one of the people arrested and charged died a week after the arrest in a car wreck.

I agree This is a big issue and people need to know the truth and the history. These dogs are only viloent when made to be.

A lot of you know Lady was a rescue. She was part of a puppy mill, and with all the scars on the poor girl and the way she acts around other dogs, it was suspect that she was used in a fighting ring. I love my dog, and to think what she may have gone through brings tears to my eyes. I posted this before, but I have a book somewhere in the depths of my spare bedroom, the author says that the Pit bulls were originally bred for digging gold, and kept in barns to keep the rodents and other scavengers like coyote's and the such away from the live stock. I have never read about them digging gold in any other article or book, but I have read about them protecting farms and such.

Max, my oldest Staffy will be in the lake at our camp and dig up rocks and pull them up on shore. He will even stick his whole head under water blowing air from his nose while he digs for rocks. I guess after witnessing him and his rock digging skills, the gold digging doesn't seem so far fetched.

My neighbors have a pit bull. He's one of the sweetest dogs in the world. Loves pets and getting his belly and ears scratched. Has never intentionally hurt anyone. He is, however, a large and energetic dog that doesn't always realize his own strength.

Unfortunately, they have no idea how to deal with him. He's left chained up all the time. He doesn't get taken for walks because he drags them or ends up breaking the leash. Instead of giving him the level of attention he needs, they yell at him when he barks. He's just a big teddy bear that needs more love than he gets and has more energy than he's allowed to expend.

A lot of people are afraid of him because he's a big dog with a big bark, and a pit bull. My neighbors are STILL surprised that I'm not afraid of him, and never have been. I met him when I was looking at the apartment, and was scratching his ears and rubbing his belly right off. His size and bark mean nothing. He's just an over-excitable puppy, at heart.

I would never recommend the breed to a novice dog owner, or a lazy one at that. Lady and Max are both at the age where they are quite happy lounging around or sleeping on their pillows or running walking and swimming. But when Max was a pup he was very demanding. We were constantly walking, running and swimming with him. He would become very destructive in the spring when it was too wet or rainy to spend hours out side.

All dogs need to be exersiced or they become bored. They need jobs, and when they don't have what they require, they become destructive and loud.

I spend a lot of time out doors and walking with my dogs. And it shows.

He's not even 2, yet. He's completely torn up the side of the garage. If he doesn't have a stick or board to chew on, he is not a happy dog. When he can't reach one, he yanks pieces off the garage. He'll actually eat the sticks and boards, if they're not taken from him.

The thing that bothers me the MOST is that he's not fixed. He's not even 2, and he's already developing hip problems. My neighbors won't get him fixed because their son (who actually 'owns' him) wants to maybe breed him someday. He's still a puppy, and he ALREADY has signs of the early stages of hip dysplasia and that dimwit wants to BREED him?

(edited because the censor butchered one of my words and I didn't catch it.)

Oh dear Lord. I don't even know what to say. Aside from those people should be neutered and I wish the ASPCA would step in and rescue him. It's sad when people get dogs to tie them out side and forget about them. Like what's the point of having an animal?

Oh dear Lord. I don't even know what to say. Aside from those people should be neutered and I wish the ASPCA would step in and rescue him. It's sad when people get dogs to tie them out side and forget about them. Like what's the point of having an animal??

The thing is, there isn't any actual neglect going on for him to be seized. He's fed and has water (when he doesn't dump his bowl right after it's filled). He has access to the garage for shelter from the sun and weather. He's just ignored.

And, being a pit bull, if he was a seized he would have a greater chance of being put down than placed. State law requires all pit bull owners (rather or not a dog is considered a pit bull is left COMPLETELY up to animal control people) to have liability insurance for at least $100,000. Even if the dog has never bitten someone, and it's reported as being a pit bull and there's no insurance, then the owners face fines and possible jail time and the dog is seized. Pit bulls almost always get put down because they're defined as vicious animals in this state.

Chapter 955 Ohio Revised Code defines "vicious dog" as a dog that, without provocation,:
-Has killed or caused serious injury to any person
-Has caused injury, other than killing or serious injury, to any person, or has killed another dog.
-Belongs to a breed that is commonly known as a pit bull dog.

Take 2 Rescue | About Ohio Required Pit Bull Insurance (http://www.take2rescue.com/pit_insurance.asp)

Wow.

There was even a th a couple years ago, which THANKFULLY failed, which would have required all pit bulls to be turned over to animal control to be put down. Once again, rather or not a dog is a pit bull would have been up to the animal control people to decide. The definition is so broad that it can include all bulldog-like breeds and even boxers and mastiffs. Some authorities even read it to include any dog with a short coat, square head, and muscular build.

On a lighter note, some criminals really are complete idiots:

Crime Blotter: Chihuahua, Pit Bull Mix-Up - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/CrimeBlotter/story?id=90971&page=1)

on a lighter note, some criminals really are complete idiots:

Crime Blotter: Chihuahua, Pit Bull Mix-Up - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/CrimeBlotter/story?id=90971&page=1)

I think I now owe J_9 some pain meds for her bunny avatar. :rolleyes:

I think I am just glad they know the diffence between cats and dogs.

Hell, if they were mistaking chihuahuas for pit bulls, I'm surprised they didn't end up with large rats instead of puppies.

(edited because the censor butchered one of my words and i didn't catch it.)


Sorry you had to rewrite but I don't think that the people who abuse animals are necessarily mentally retarded. I think they don't have moral compasses.

On another note - my neighbor has a pit. Looks like a pit, walks like a pit and so forth. Her homeowners refused to insure her. She went to the Town Hall, re-registered it as a boxer - and her homeowners accepted her.?

there was even a th a couple years ago, which THANKFULLY failed, which would have required all pit bulls to be turned over to animal control to be put down. once again, rather or not a dog is a pit bull would have been up to the animal control people to decide. the definition is so broad that it can include all bulldog-like breeds and even boxers and mastiffs. some authorities even read it to include any dog with a short coat, square head, and muscular build.

You it's called BSL.

Sorry you had to rewrite but I don't think that the people who abuse animals are necessarily mentally retarded. I think they don't have moral compasses.

On another note - my neighbor has a pit. Looks like a pit, walks like a pit and so forth. Her homeowners refused to insure her. She went to the Town Hall, re-registered it as a boxer - and her homeowners accepted her. ??

That's the thing. I wasn't TRYING to imply that they are mentally disabled. I find the term 'retard' offensive and never use it. There was more to the word than that, but the censors deleted it, so I just went back and changed the word.

Not really a big deal, just annoying and causing unintentional confusion.