FIGHT TERRORISTS WITH TERROR

Why are we fighting this war against terrorism with one hand tied behind our back?

We are aware that nearly all of the terrorist acts being committed are by Muslims. They are fierce warriors, as well they should be according to their beliefs. If they win a battle, then they gain points with their god for killing infidels. If they die in the fight, they believe that they go directly to paradise, with all the perks and pleasures. Either way, they win.

We should use their own belief against them. I wonder how brave they would be if they thought they would go straight to Hell if they were killed in battle.

These people believe that if they are contaminated by swine, they are going to Hell for sure. We should begin immediately to spread the word that every bullet, rocket, and bomb contains lard or some other product derived from swine. That would effectively take away their sense of security and strike fear into their hearts.

It would create a very real advantage for our troops on the battlefield.

A glowing glass lake where Teh'ran used to be would probably serve as well.

FIGHT TERRORISTS WITH TERROR

Why are we fighting this war against terrorism with one hand tied behind our back?

We are aware that nearly all of the terrorist acts being committed are by Muslims. They are fierce warriors, as well they should be according to their beliefs. If they win a battle, then they gain points with their god for killing infidels. If they die in the fight, they believe that they go directly to paradise, with all the perks and pleasures. Either way, they win.

We should use their own belief against them. I wonder how brave they would be if they thought they would go straight to Hell if they were killed in battle.

These people believe that if they are contaminated by swine, they are going to Hell for sure. We should begin immediately to spread the word that every bullet, rocket, and bomb contains lard or some other product derived from swine. That would effectively take away their sense of security and strike fear into their hearts.

It would create a very real advantage for our troops on the battlefield.

You are apparently not a student of history, a tactic such as that was used in India in the eighteenth century in the Indian army making native troops fearfull of using cartridges. http://www.educationforum.co.uk/KS3_2/mut.htm It's impact lasted until the army agreed to use other products to grease cartridges. Look there have even been attempts to defile mosques by killing pigs in them, the muslims clean up the blood and reconsecrate the mosque. These people are fairly dense, they don't get the message. I could imagine we would see Muslim troops on the battlefield in white gloves so deep is their hatred of us. Our own troops die without assurance of reward and we could expect they would too if they thought dying would bring in their nirvana

A glowing glass lake where Teh'ran used to be would probably serve as well.

That tactics is not an answer but the start of a generational world war

I can see it now, before we invade an area, we air drop a load of pigs to stampede ( do they stampede ?) though the area to stop the ememy from being able to pay attention to the battle

I can see it now, before we invade an area, we air drop a load of pigs to stampede ( do they stampede ?) though the area to stop the ememy from being able to pay attention to the battle

Perhaps we could load them up with demons, sort of a pig legion.

Have we lost the plot? We are talking about having a war with Muslims, ridiculous! This is the sort of thinking that creates racial war, religious war. In the crusades they used to say it's not a sin to kill an infidel, don't the Muslims have the same attitude. This is foolish thinking.

that tactis is not an answer but the start of a generational world war

It worked quite well for Hulagu-khan in 1258. Kept the subcontinent quiet for half a millennium.

It worked quite well for Hulagu-khan in 1258. Kept the subcontinent quiet for half a millenium.

That is an extremely obscure reference where did you find it? I'll continue to eat bacon for Breakfast and Ham for Christmas it should keep the Muslims away from me.

Have we lost the plot? We are talking about having a war with Muslims, rediculous! This is the sort of thinking that creates racial war, religious war... This is foolish thinking.Hello clete:

Psssst.. Haven't you noticed?? The wingers here believe we ARE having a war with Muslims. YES, it is foolish. Ok, that never stopped 'em before.

excon

Hello clete:

Psssst.. Haven't you noticed??? The wingers here believe we ARE having a war with Muslims. YES, it is foolish. Ok, that never stopped 'em before.

excon

Pssst, Ex, haven't you noticed? The Muslims in Teh'ran believe they ARE having a war with the West. YES, it is foolish. If they ever convince us they're in real trouble. That hasn't stopped them, either. As a member of the Lesser Satan, I would have thought you might have noticed.

Pssst, Ex, haven't you noticed?? The Muslims in Teh'ran believe they ARE having a war with the West.Hello Cats:

What I noticed is that we have enemies who happen to be Muslim. We also have some who happen to be Korean. That doesn't mean we're at war with ALL Koreans.

At least you'd better HOPE we're not a war with Muslims, cause they'd win. There's 1.57 billion of 'em. Most of 'em are sitting idly by drinking tea. But, if you stir 'em up too much with your careless talk, and your Gitmo's, or your drones bombing their civilians, we might have a hornets nest on our hands. For sure, we're going to have more terrorists. You guys are the best recruiting tool they have.

excon

Our war is against jihadists .

Hello Cats:

What I noticed is that we have enemies who happen to be Muslim. We also have some who happen to be Korean. That doesn't mean we're at war with ALL Koreans.

At least you'd better HOPE we're not a war with Muslims, cause they'd win. There's 1.57 billion of 'em. Most of 'em are sitting idly by drinking tea. But, if you stir 'em up too much with your careless talk, and your Gitmo's, or your drones bombing their civilians, we might have a hornets nest on our hands. For sure, we're gonna have more terrorists. You guys are the best recruiting tool they have.

excon

You sound like you think this conflict is of recent origin. It has been going on (off and on) for literally centuries. Who recruited them in ancient history? Just how could they be any more rabid if we offend them?

Jihadists are Muslims, as far as I know. All I am saying is that we should mess with their minds. It can be very effective.

The way they believe, if the bullet that hits them is greased with lard, they go to Hell. Do not pass go, do not collect a reward. It is not a matter of conjecture for them. That is a really big load to carry into battle, no?

The Muslims in Teh'ran

Read it again, EX.

Our war is against jihadists .

So just at the drop of a hat we have gone from a war on terror to a war on Jihad, why don't you go all the way and have a war on war, or would that mean winding down your key industries and having a war on yourselves as chief supplier of weapons

A simplistic solution to a complex problem. Keep in mind that the jihadi who hijacked the planes on 9-11 were seen sucking down booze and hanging out in stripper bars. It wouldn't surprise me if they had eggs and bacon on a bagel before they boarded the planes.

As for Tehran , we blew a once in a generation opportunity last year when we refused to support the Green Revolution after the Ahmamadjihad stole the election Since then the Mahdi-hatter has consolidated his power to a point I believe that he has more influence than the clerics and he has for all intent staged a coup with the support of the Revolutionary Guard(IRGC).

The theology of the irrational ,meglomaniac, messianic followers of the 12th Mahdi is bizarre even for your typical jihadists movement .Most Iranians do not support them ,but when there was a chance to take them out with the help of the Iranian people , the President still believed in extending the unclenched hand.Neda Agha-Soltan died in vain .

I don't want to see Tehran destroyed or the people.I lived with them for part of 2 years. The people are mostly freedom loving .
But the ruling class has been at war with use since the early 1980's and we really do have to come to that realization.

So just at the drop of a hat we have gone from a war on terror to a war on Jihad, why don't you go all the way and have a war on war, or would that mean winding down your key industries and having a war on yourselves as chief supplier of weapons

What is this something new ? I have been calling it that since 9-11 . I never called it a war on terror or any of the other politically correct variations.

What is this something new ? I have been calling it that since 9-11 . I never called it a war on terror or any of the other politically correct variations.

No Tom, nothing new, just the same tired old clichés. Who is the blame for the world situation. The Iranians, before that it was the Iraqi, and just for good measure we will have a side helping of North Korean. Yes, certain parts of the world are peopled with meglomaniacs and religious fanatics, but I wonder if these symptoms may not be more generally dispersed than was first thought. Meglomania is not something that happens outside the US. I just notice you only declare war on something that is outside your own borders, so that the collateral damage isn't in plain sight. What would happen if you declared war on illegal aliens? Poverty? BP, oh sorry you have already done that

Talking about tired old clichés (as if the "war on poverty" hasn't been waged by the US throughout the post WWII era)! Maybe Australia is in a position to retreat to an island fortress ;but the US is not.

talking about tired old cliches (as if the "war on poverty" hasn't been waged by the US throughout the post WWII era)! Maybe Australia is in a position to retreat to an island fortress ;but the US is not.

If you have waged a war on poverty how come you haven't won after all this time? Could it be your war has been waged with a new form of slavery called illegal immigration? Old habits die hard. We are not an island fortress but an island of prosperity in a sea of averice. We don't say we have won the war on poverty, since there are still poor people here, I think they are called aborigines, but we must be closer to a result than you are and we aren't having a war. Perhaps it is because every time our politicians talk out of their a** they are called on it, like Krudd, who has gone from love him to hate him with one stroke of the ego, or his Labor cohorts who suffered a 26% swing in a bi-election last weekend

Yes you have had some great leaders who understand that national interests and influence are not confined to national borders.Or perhaps you think deploying your military to East Timor wasn't exercising power in Australia's national interest (or the coming intervention in Fiji ).

Yes you have had some great leaders who understand that national interests and influence are not confined to national borders.Or perhaps you think deploying your military to East Timor wasn't exercising power in Australia's national interest (or the coming intervention in Fiji ).

I would be surprised if Australia interfered in Fiji. It would not be in our national interest. As to East Timor that was long overdue, we lacked national fortitude and a broad perspective in 1975, and we had our own internal problems on our mind, otherwise we would have stopped the Indonesian takeover of East Timor and West Papua. Helping East Timor actually cost us a great deal so it is fairly neutral in national interest and every now and then you do have to give the bully boy a bloody nose. We have had a number of people who have played a good innings on the world stage, sadly they are usually one match wonders

Don't know what this has to do with what we were discussing, haven't seen any terrorists here lately, unless you count Krudd for terrorising the miners, and the stock market.

Psssst.. Haven't you noticed??? The wingers here believe we ARE having a war with Muslims. YES, it is foolish. Ok, that never stopped 'em before.

Am I one of those wingers who has said that?

Am I one of those wingers who has said that?Hello Steve:

Nobody says it... just like nobody said what the wingers REALLY think about government and BP, until Joe Barton said it... Of course, he backtracked real quick, because nobody is supposed to SAY those things - even though that's what they really believe...

So, I don't care if you SAID it, Steve. I care whether you BELIEVE it.

excon

Steve ,aren't you glad that now ,besides putting words in our mouths ,that thoughts are put in our minds. And I thought I was privilaged to have a personal source monitor.

Nobody says it... just like nobody said what the wingers REALLY think about government and BP, until Joe Barton said it... Of course, he backtracked real quick, because nobody is supposed to SAY those things - even though that's what they really believe...

Kind of like Obama telling an Arizona senator he COULD secure the border but he won't until Republicans agree to amnesty?

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So, I don't care if you SAID it, Steve. I care whether you BELIEVE it.

In other words, you're backtracking.

Steve ,aren't you glad that now ,besides putting words in our mouths ,that thoughts are put in our minds. And I thought I was privilaged to have a personal source monitor.

That's why I formed my response as a question, so I'd know what I thought before replying.

Kind of like Obama telling an Arizona senator he COULD secure the border but he won't until Republicans agree to amnesty?Hello again, Steve:

Couple things. If the Democrats are want to cram stuff down your throats, why would they need the Republicans agreement on ANYTHING?

Plus, I was about to call Kyle a liar, but he was telling the truth in the video. It was YOU who wasn't. Words DO matter. In this case it makes a BIG difference between what Kyle actually said, and what YOU say he said.

Words matter - but not to you guys where end of life counseling is a DEATH PANEL. Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

That's why I formed my response as a question, so I'd know what I thought before replying.Hello again, Steve:

Even though I'm not supposed to know, I actually DO know what The Republican Study Committee thinks. That's a group of more than 115 House conservatives. They wrote it down before they knew they shouldn't. They said the escrow fund amounts to "Chicago-style shakedown politics."

I guess you guys really think you're fooling everybody.

excon

[QUOTE]Couple things. If the Democrats are want to cram stuff down your throats, why would they need the Republicans agreement on ANYTHING?

Perhaps he doesn't have the votes from his own majority side?


Plus, I was about to call Kyle a liar, but he was telling the truth in the video. It was YOU who wasn't. Words DO matter. In this case it makes a BIG difference between what Kyle actually said, and what YOU say he said.

"On June 18, 2010, Arizona Republican Senator Jon Kyl told the audience at a North Tempe Tea Party town hall meeting that during a private, one-on-one meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office, the President told him (http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2010/06/20/obama-tells-kyl-in-private-oval-office-meeting-i-wont-secure-border-bc-then-republicans-will-have-no-reason-to-support-comprehensive-immigration-reform/), regarding securing the southern border with Mexico, “The problem is, . . . if we secure the border, then you all won’t have any reason to support ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’” [Audible gasps were heard throughout the audience.] Sen. Kyl continued, “In other words, they’re holding it hostage. They don’t want to secure the border unless and until it is combined with ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’”

In other words, Obama told him he COULD secure the border but he won't unless Republicans agree to amnesty... just as I said. Although I could have used he's "holding it hostage" for political reasons instead of enforcing the law he's sworn to uphold. Either way works for me.


Words matter - but not to you guys where end of life counseling is a DEATH PANEL. Bwa, ha ha ha.

The proposed mandatory end of life counseling is one objectionable aspect of Obamacare, but it isn't a death panel. Words matter.

They said the escrow fund amounts to "Chicago-style shakedown politics."

What does that have to do with me allegedly believing we're at war with the Muslim world?

They said the escrow fund amounts to "Chicago-style shakedown politics."


... and so it is . Forcing BP to agree to the terms of the escrow is beyond the powers of his office (ultra vires ). The fund should've been authorized by Congress ;the decisions on it's distribution by a judge .

Here are more things "they" said.
"They" said Bush invaded Iraq for the oil. "They" said Bush hates African-Americans when they thought Bush was slow to respond to Katrina . "They " told seniors that Bush was going to take away the elderly's Social Security"... and on and on...

Speaking of words that matter, the White House and their media accomplices were aghast over a man who was just replaced (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0610/Emanuel_Hayward_yachting_a_big_mistake.html) as the point man for the Gulf disaster for spending some time yachting with his family.


“People will chew over this,” Emanuel said. “But don't take your eye off the major priorities and the key goals, that is dealing with the problem down in the well, and dealing with the problems of the region as it makes as important the people getting the resources they need to restore their lives and restoring that coastline to it environmental purity that it had at one point.”

No word from the White House on how we should react to a president who's "in charge" and "fully engaged" for attending baseball games and golfing - again - while complaining of Hayward's outing.

Update: White House spokesman says Obama's golf outings "does us all good as American citizens (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/21/white-house-defends-obama_n_619692.html)."

I certainly feel better when he plays golf... less time he has to ruin the country.

Hey Clete,

Aren't you a Christian? I think so from many of your other posts.

SO------

No one is going to win the war on poverty. Jesus said that there will always be poor people.

You believe Him, don't you?

Hey Clete,

Aren't you a Christian? I think so from many of your other posts.

SO------

No one is going to win the war on poverty. Jesus said that there will always be poor people.

You believe Him, don't you?

Jesus words were not anything more that addressing a wrong attitude in a person who would subsequently betray him. Like so many who seek to help the poor they also seek to help themselves. The US is like Judas, his words drip with honey but self interest is what motivates him.

Yes I believe him but that doesn't stop us from trying since Jesus saying so doesn't make it mandatory for your nation to have large numbers of poor. We should not find reason to hide from our unwillingness to attack the big issues with vigour. Look at the resources you are willing to put into war and the Gulf cleanup, if you were to mobilise those resources to clean up poverty and you could start by addressing the issues in latin america which cause large numbers of people to migrate into you country and swell the numbers of poor there

Jesus words were not anything more that addressing a wrong attitude in a person who would subsequently betray him. Like so many who seek to help the poor they also seek to help themselves. The US is like Judas, his words drip with honey but self interest
is what motivates him.

Yes I believe him but that doesn't stop us from trying since Jesus saying so doesn't make it mandatory for your nation to have large numbers of poor. We should not find reason to hide from our unwillingness to attack the big issues with vigour. Look at the resources you are willing to put into war and the Gulf cleanup, if you were to mobilise those resources to clean up poverty and you could start by addressing the issues in latin america which cause large numbers of people to migrate into you country and swell the numbers of poor there

First step would be to forbid the bureaucrats from redefining "poverty" every year so they can get a raise. "Poverty" in the US is defined as earning less than the price of a car in a year. That's ridiculous.

First step would be to forbid the bureaucrats from redefining "poverty" every year so they can get a raise. "Poverty" in the US is defined as earning less than the price of a car in a year. That's ridiculous.

I think income of less than $1 a day would be a good place to start. Of course that would make most people in the US above the poverty line but someoneelse might get a look in while you could claim you have solved the problem, once you have conquered that one you could go to the next level say $5 a day. At this rate we will take a long time to get to the price of car but the lives of billions will be improved. Here's an idea give everyone below $10,000 income in the US a car, you can afford it, it will take a lot of clunkers off the road and improve those government owned industries. Just think of it 30 million new cars!

The cure for poverty is in your own hands, start helping someoneelse who really needs it and stop giving tied aid which really impoverises the poor more while enriching yourselves, a Judas solution

I think income of less than $1 a day would be a good place to start. Of course that would make most people in the US above the poverty line but someoneelse might get a look in while you could claim you have solved the problem, once you have conquered that one you could go to the next level say $5 a day. At this rate we will take a long time to get to the price of car but the lives of billions will be improved. here's an idea give everyone below $10,000 income in the US a car, you can afford it, it will take a lot of clunkers off the road and improve those government owned industries. Just think of it 30 million new cars!

The cure for poverty is in your own hands, start helping someoneelse who really needs it and stop giving tied aid which really impoverises the poor more while enriching yourselves, a Judas solution

To correct myself: defining poverty so the bureaucrats can get a raise.

To correct myself: defining poverty so the bureaucrats can get a raise.

I understood what you said, it is all part of that solution I told you about, self serving ideas which really help no one. We all watch politicians give themselves salary increases that are bigger than the poverty line itsself. There is where the problem lies, in the political gravy train. The solution, forget the lie about having to pay to get the best and demand that politicians are unpaid and get expenses only. You would see a quick exit of a lot of high minded citizens, next cut fat cat bureaucrat salaries in half, and ditto and you quickly see how see small government can run

I understood what you said, it is all part of that solution I told you about, self serving ideas which really help no one. We all watch politicians give themselves salary increases that are bigger than the poverty line itsself. There is where the problem lies, in the political gravy train. The solution, forget the lie about having to pay to get the best and demand that politicians are unpaid and get expenses only. You would see a quick exit of a lot of high minded citizens, next cut fat cat bureaucrat salaries in half, and ditto and you quickly see how see small government can run

I'll sign on to that plan; I've wanted all our politicians to be paid(including expenses) out of profit for years.

Jesus words were not anything more that addressing a wrong attitude in a person who would subsequently betray him. Like so many who seek to help the poor they also seek to help themselves. The US is like Judas, his words drip with honey but self interest is what motivates him.

Yes I believe him but that doesn't stop us from trying since Jesus saying so doesn't make it mandatory for your nation to have large numbers of poor. We should not find reason to hide from our unwillingness to attack the big issues with vigour. Look at the resources you are willing to put into war and the Gulf cleanup, if you were to mobilise those resources to clean up poverty and you could start by addressing the issues in latin america which cause large numbers of people to migrate into you country and swell the numbers of poor there

Get real!

Over many decades, this country has spent HUGE sums of money fighting the "war on poverty". Guess what? Poverty is still winning.

We could have had as much results from using those dollars to build a really big bonfire.

Something else, Clete.

We don't get a lot of co-operation from foreign countries when we try to "help them" eliminate their poverty.

Now if you are talking about the PERSONAL POVERTY of the government officials, then that is a different matter. They will take all the money we are willing to send them.

We can't end poverty in our OWN country, as proved by years of evidence.

And now we should end poverty in Latin America?

What are you smokin'?

Somethin' else, Clete.

We don't get a lot of co-operation from foreign countries when we try to "help them" eliminate their poverty.

Now if you are talking about the PERSONAL POVERTY of the government officials, then that is a different matter. They will take all the money we are willing to send them.

We can't end poverty in our OWN country, as proved by years of evidence.

And now we should end poverty in Latin America?

What are you smokin'?

It is very fashionable in your country to have wars, Lyndon Johnson initiated a war on poverty, no doubt to distract from his war in Vietnam and just like the war in Vietnam you lost that one too.

Poverty in latin america and poverty in your own country are tied and you are so vain you cannot see it. You think that giving aid, with a big rope around it is helping these people deal with poverty when all it is doing is subsidising your own inefficient industries. You are a victim of your own success, you invited the poor to come to swell your nation and provide cannon fodder for your industries and then you lament the fact that you have poor in your midst. Then you open your borders and let more poor in and further lament you have both poor and illegal immigrants in your midst. The question is what are you smokin'? In reality what you have is a poverty mentality, always striving for more and you will not be free of poverty until you change your thinking

You apparently do NOT understand human nature.

There will be those who, either because of inability or lack of initative, always be poor. We see in many times when someone wins the lottery. Their money disappears swiftly.

Others who get a windf