First time seeing the new doctor in a new province. After three years have right away came up with adenoids have to be removed. That's great now the problem solved right.

Before the surgery. The episodes of waking up got worse. Gagging, coughing and vomiting.
Kept getting him checked over. Doctor does not want to spend the time with us and passes it off as nothing, or and trying to push inhalers on my child even though there has never been any evidence of asthma or any related symptoms as wheezing , etc...

Well had his adenoids out and was doing great until today he woke up with the same symptoms the coughing, gagging , etc...

Went to the doctor and the doctor and training was giving my wife an lecture about how we should still be giving him his sprays after a month. Even though they have no clue what is going on.

I also feel that his tonsils should have been removed but the surgeon we had did not want to remove them. Thinking this is part of the problem. I do not know.

Anyway, that is it. Your Thoughts??

Hi Jesushelper, the jury used to be out on removing tonsils from a toddler, and I guess its still out. Has he had allergy tests, immune deficiency tests. Those are the only options I can think of at the moment. You say a new doctor, but is the new doctor a Pediatrician ?

Tick

No, the new doctor is not a pediatrician.

That is all I want is investigation instead of just pushing us out of the door with an lazy answer without anything checked.

Allergy tests and immune deficiency tests. What does the immune deficiency tests for? What kind of things you might have in mind?

Thank you for your answer...

Joe

Couple of other things to look at before thinking about serious tests.
Does he sleep with a dummy/pacifier ?
Have you tried using a decongestant vapour like Olbas Oil, or similar ?

Mr T had a stage of this and we found he was simply inhaling snot while he was asleep. Using Olbas oil helped him breath easily at night and stopped this happening.

Thank you Curlyben, No he does not sleep with a pacifier. But we have not tried using a decongestant vapour.

Your right it is better to look at other things before looking at series tests and thank you again.

Thank you for sharing about Mr T having a similar stage of this, and that you guys found a solution to help him breath easier at night.

Are you talking about something similar to vicks?

Joe, can you describe the vomit? Is it frothy? Clear?

Thank you Curlyben, No he does not sleep with a pacifier. But we have not tried using a decongestant vapour.

Your right it is better to look at other things before looking at series tests and thank you again.

Thank you for sharing about Mr T having a similar stage of this, and that you guys found a solution to help him breath easier at night.

Are you talking about something similar to vicks?

CB may be on to something, yes Olbas oil is almost same as Vicks an inhalant decongestant in a vapourizer to reduce swelling of mucous membranes; would be a good idea to try and can't do any harm.

Do think lining yourself up with a good Pediatrician may be a better then a GP. Why not get a referral ?

Tick

Hello J9,

It is clear usually, but he had a spell of this a few weeks before the adenoid surgery.

He was fine for a while but just a cough that will not go a way, seems to be happening for two months.

Now, the last few days, we have already been back to the doctor and says there is congestion in the nose. Throat is fine.

Since being there the coughing spells have got worse.

Now he is gagging and coughing up tons of dark green phlegm.

Call the nurse line, because we have brought him to ER with these symptoms before and they turn us away.

We have tried everything, including what CB was mentioning.

I am ready to punch the television because this is getting too frustrating.

The nurse on the phone did not think it was series either. Even though he is coughing up loads of dark green phlegm.

Is there a chance there is still an easy explanation for all this crap? I am not showing my frustration to my buddy. Giving him lots of fluids and whenever he has these spells we sit him up and keep him up until he seems better. It is now 3 am without any sleep yet...

I'm wondering if he has acid reflux or GERD. Also, you say he is congested, this could be caused by him swallowing the phlegm. Coughing so much can cause vomiting.

That is what My mom said too.

Joe, didn't you have a problem with Acid Reflux or GERD at one time?

Yes, I did.

The thing is the congestion is in his sinuses and the doctor said his throat is completely fine. Could it be coming from both??

I did not develop it until my 20's but anything is possible. (Reflux) My mom has it, my uncles have it.

Somebody keeps mentioning allergies too, could allergies cause these symptoms.

I guess what we have to do, is go through all the possible causes and try to eliminate them.

Although before the surgery when he started this pharmacy had us try him with clariton but never really did anything. Nasal spray not helping. Why would it all of a sudden flare up a few weeks before surgery. And only flare up the last few days. It is weird.

Still happening. Coughing, gagging and throwing up dark green phlegm.

Dark green? Time for a trip to the doctor/hospital Joe.

We have gone to the hospital three times, three nights in a role. Even brought the phlegm with us. They keep saying he is fine and that he is probably just getting over an infection. Every where we turn they try to push inhalers towards us, even though his chest is clear and or at our local hospital won't even call the doctor in.

I just don't understand why you are having so much trouble with the hospital and the doctors and getting a proper diagnosis. A way back I suggested getting his immune system tested, but for that you would have to have an appt. with a pediatrician. He could have an immune deficiency and this why the infection is still present in his body, justified by the colour and amount of his phlegm.

I know you must be beyhond frustrated with all of this, and some times there are simple solutions.

Tick

We ask for tests and everything else. I have not really slept for days. I just finished antibiotics myself a little while go and my throat and roof of mouth is still bloody red sore.

Going to family doctor tomorrow. Then Will ask to see a pediatrician for buddy.

Enough is enough. Going back and forth to hospitals and doctors tired of it.

I know, there could be simple solutions but that all depends on the family doctor , etc... We keep pushing to get these tests done, but none want to do it.

Even the nose, throat ears specialists thinks he should see a pediatrician.

You have to get a referral to a pediatrician?

Yes we have to get a referral...

That really stinks. Where we are most children's parents automatically choose a pediatrician as their child's GP.

If we had that choice we would have done that.

If we had that choice we would have done that.

I know you would have Joe... You and the wife are wonderful parents. It's just a shame you are having to go through all of this.

4 Emergency room visits, 100 doctor visits. Later, well a bit of an exaggeration but maybe not.

I brought in the stuff he has been coughing up today to the family doctor. He still said he could not find anything wrong with him.

Showed the stuff and explained everything. They did x rays and also did a referral for a pediatrician. We are seeing one next Thursday.

This afternoon, we got a call from the doctor saying that they did found something in his lungs. The x rays were not normal, but it is still not clear what it was. Said there is three possibilities. Bronchitis, Pneumonia, and something else. He asked if he has a fever, No. He does not want to treat him with anything unless he develops another fever then he will give him antibiotics.

I said, well if your not sure exactly what it is or if it is not definitive enough results to say exactly what it is, how do we find out what exactly it is? He said he will send his notes, and x ray results to the Pediatrician.

Now the doctor is saying come in anytime we want to see him. Looks like the parents are right all along.

How many times and trips and sleepless nights of going back and forth on a daily basis.

Wish doctors would take parents concerns more seriously instead of always trying to send us on our way with uneducated guesses and prescriptions for things that are not proven or investigated for.

That really stinks. Where we are most children's parents automatically choose a pediatrician as their child's GP.

Coming out of the hospital after birth, yes, you do have a pediatrician, if you stay in one place long enough that is.

Even the nose, throat ears specialists thinks he should see a pediatrician.

Then these specialists could easily enough refer you to a pediatrician. They pick one and send a fax, (normal procedure) get a date and then pass the information on to to you.

We were in Ontario the first three years of his life. No, coming out of the hospital after birth. No we did not have a pediatrician. They would not even take him on as a patient. They told us that unless something was seriously wrong with him they would not even look at him. The only time we even could see a pediatrician was if we had a referral and there was a real good reason to see one.

The nose, throat and ears specialists said he would pass on the information to the family doctor and his recommendation.

When we saw the family doctor, we asked for a referral. Since he has no idea what is going on.

Dang, we have a ped on staff who sees the babies right after birth and until they are 18, unless the PARENTS choose otherwise. I guess it's just hard for me to see it any other way, since that's what I have experienced since my oldest was born in 1986.

I don't know why you gave me a disagree if I am only trying to help. Believe me, I have been through much the same as you in the past, only we were Canadians in the US with no health insurance when our son became ill with what they thought was meningitis. I could have died on the spot from all the worry. Every pediatric bill had to be paid on the spot, $l000s of dollars. That was 27 years ago. They found Chris had had a stroke at birth. Believe me, I couldn't get back to Canada fast enough and had a pediatrician in line as soon as I crossed the border.

How dare you give me a disagree when I was only trying to help with FACTUAL information because in Ontario, a good pediatrician is most likely in place when a new mom comes out of the hospital.

I will stay off this thread just in case I get another unwarranted disagree. However, I do sincerely hope that your son recovers quickly and you finally have some peace in your life.

Tick

It was not unwarranted disagree. How dare I. If you can not handle a disagree then tough really. Your telling me that you have a pediatrician coming out of the hospital which was NOT TRUE AND INCORRECT. That simple really.

I know your trying to help, but grow a thicker skin. I am telling you my situation and what I have dealt with and how we were not able to get a pediatrician.

Dang, we have a ped on staff who sees the babies right after birth and until they are 18, unless the PARENTS choose otherwise. I guess it's just hard for me to see it any other way, since that's what I have experienced since my oldest was born in 1986.

Well it is good to hear all the different experiences.

Is somebody doing lab work on the phlegm to find out what germ it is?