In the Bible Enoch walked with God and was no more. Elijah was taken to heaven with out dying. If by Adam's sin death came unto all men,how where these two men spared death?

Hebrews 11: 5&6
5."By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death,
"and was not found, because God had taken him", for before
he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God."
6."But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those
who diligently seek Him."
Enoch walked with God for 300 years, and then rather than dying, he moved directly into God's presence. Because he "pleased God".
Faith declares our weakness while it proclaims the trustworthiness of God and His complete and willing ability to do what we cannot. A lack of faith insults God even as it puts foolish confidence in ourselves.

Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

Because God allowed it, The bible is a whole, you have to use all parts and accept that.

belovedgift
Keep in mind that with God all things are possible.How many people have gone to heaven directly we do not know. Only those mentioned have we heard of.
There may be more. Over the thousands of years there have been many people who were very close to God as were those mentioned.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

belovedgift
Keep in mind that with God all things are possible.How many people have gone to heaven directly we do not know. Only those mentioned have we heard of.
There may be more. Over the thousands of years there have been many people who were very close to God as were those mentioned.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

With Jesus all is possible.

belovedgift
Yes. That is so.
ONLY with God are all things possible.
So we Christians believe.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

The verse isn't talking about physical death... but Spiritual death. Because of Adam's sin death passed to all men ( spiritual death. That is why God told Adam he would surely DIE when or if he ate of the tree of knowledge. HE didn't die right after he ate it PHYSICALLY but he did SPITUALLY... this is why the Lord Jesus Came.. the second Adam. He came to give us life. He that believes in Jesus... even IF he dies ( meaning PHYSICALLY) yet shall he LIVE. ( spritually)

It is appointed unto man ONCE to die... it doesn't state it is appointed unto ALL and every man once to die. I believe there will be a rapture before the tribulation and many more shall be like Enoch and Elijah.

The scripture never contradicts... fyi. We must rightly divide the word of truth.

classyT,'
I agree with you partly.
But I think that all alive at the time will face the tribulations and must deal with them.
It could be that the tribs have started already.
If so how many were snatched up into the clouds?
None?
Right.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fredrick,

My dearest Pal...

How in the world could the trib have started? The antichrist must sign a seven year peace treaty with Israel to protect her. That hasn't happened and I certainly don't know who the antichrist is... do you?

Hope you are feeling better.

Tess

Fredrick,

My dearest Pal...

How in the world could the trib have started? The antichrist must sign a seven year peace treaty with Israel to protect her. That hasn't happened and I certainly don't know who the antichrist is...do you?

Hope you are feeling better.

Tess

This is only true if the whole thing is literal. I have shown several times that Revelation is symbolic and should NOT be taken literally, which leaves the matter open.

classyT,
That depends on how a person reads it.
Because of the symbolism I have no idea of what it really, truly says.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

They were not spared, they died.

I Newton, So you believe, but I do wonder how many others were taken to heaven without death.
Maybe some, maybe none.
Only God knows.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

These men were certainly not spared from the effects of sin - growing old. They may have been taken early by God but they were still old in years when this happened. If Adam and Eve had not sinned then where do you suppose they would be now? Still here on earth of course, living a happy perfect sinless life because the punishment was (gradual) death as opposed to the reward of everlasting life.

Moparbyfar,
Have you ever thought about hoe many people would there now be on this planet if Adam, and Eve had not sinned?
Ity is said that as many people as we halve now alive have passed away in years past.
That means that we could have 16,000,000,000 people now is sin had not come into the world and if people had as many children as in the past here now.
Could the world feed and house that many people?
Some adjustment would had had to be made.
Peace and klindnmess,
Fred

Ye of little faith

It is faith like that that made the Pope say he would make a deal with the devil if it meant saving the church, (it is my opinio that he did make such a deal)

If we had 16B on earth of course there would have to be an adjustment and I would say that God would have found it very very easy for such an adjustment to be made.

The Bible does not contradict; death spread to ALL men (and women) no one went oheaven without dying.

That is a major problem religion has; picking and choosing what part of the Bible they would like to agree with and simply ignore the rest.

Yes, the scripture could be twisted to suggest they went to heaven and did not die, but the Bible does not lie, death spread to ALL men.

Picking and choosing scripture is the reason there are so many Atheists, they can see the hypocirsy in religion.

I Newton,
You have made a point but the bible does mention that at the least 2 men went to heaven without first dying.
So ALL men do not die first. Perhaps since then that is true and I think that is is so.
But I do not know for sure and to me it is not very important.What is very important to me is the salvation message, story and instructions the bible give us to see and learn.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I agree, it is a small point

I do not study the Bible, but as far as I know, one of the men spoken of did not go to the heavens where God is because it was actually recroded that he was doing preaching work at some other land; is this so?

Moparbyfar,
Have you ever thought about hoe many people would there now be on this planet if Adam, and Eve had not sinned?
Ity is said that as many people as we halve now alive have passed away in years past.
That means that we could have 16,000,000,000 people now is sin had not come into the world and if people had as many children as in the past here now.
Could the world feed and house that many people?
Some adjustment would had had to be made.
Peace and klindnmess,
Fred

Considering there would have been no need for the Great Flood Arcura, there could easily have been plenty of room for the billions that have been and gone. Remembering that the weight of the waters that sat on the surface of the earth changed the landscape drastically, causing less habitable areas today.
I found this interesting statement “Amazing as it may seem, the entire population of the world can be housed in the U.S. state of Texas,” reports Vitality magazine. According to the article, the current United Nations estimate of the world’s population is about six billion people, and Texas has a land area of some 262,000 square miles [680,000 sq km]. The amount of living space per person would therefore be more than 1,217 square feet [113 sq m]. “A family of 5 would thus occupy more than 6,085 square feet [565 sq m] of living space. Even in Texas, that’s a mansion,” says Vitality.
So even factoring in the rest of the population that have passed, there would still be plenty of room and as for food provisions, God has the ability to provide food for all so don't worry about starving. (Psalm 72:16 - “There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; on the top of the mountains there will be an overflow.”) :)

I Newton,

2 men are recored to not have died according to the Bible. Enoch, and Elijah. I believe the Bible.

In the Bible Enoch walked with God and was no more. Elijah was taken to heaven with out dying. If by Adam's sin death came unto all men,how where these two men spared death?

The apostle Paul is saying that because of Adam's sin, all of mankind is now sentenced to death and eternal condemenation because of one offense. It is the condition of mankind and there is nothing we can do about it. We are born spirtually dead and without hope and a sinner by nature.

BUT because of the second Adam which is the Lord Jesus Christ and HIS righteousness all those who have faith are now no longer under that sentence but God imputes the Lord's righteousness unto us and we are justified by His Grace and mercy this is the result of one man's obedience. (justified - just as if I had never sinned)

The verse isn't talking just about death physically but the condition and eternal condmenation that we are all under just by being a human being.

consider this"

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Genesis 2:17


Well Adam and Eve didn't die physically that day according to the scripture but they did die spirtually. The Lord kicked them out of the garden. And this judgment was passed onto every person born into this world because of ONE man's offense

So, If one man's sin caused this horrible condition... consider what one man's righteousness did for mankind.

Romans 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

Jesus obedience resulted in LIFE to all men. But men still die physically.

Elijah and Enoch's faith was counted to them as righteousness. God was always looking to the cross and what the Lord Jesus Christ would do. This is why the blood of animals only covered their sins under the law... it was a type of the Lord. But only the Lord washed them.

If someone has more insight in this please feel free to correct me but I believe that is what the Apostle Paul is saying when you put all of it into context.

You say 2 men have not died, but is that so? I could be wrong but as far as I remember, at least one of these men were taken into the heavens (where birds fly) so as they would not be killed and were apparently placed in another area to live out their life.

Basically, the man was given an escape from death by being flown to another area that was safe, much like the angels making an earth quake to set prisoners free from prison.

Is this so?

When you look at the evidence surrounding these two accounts, it is clear to see that they didn't go to heaven.

Enoch "pleased God well" so because of the badness around him, "God transferred him so as not to see death." He simply could have put Enoch in a trance-like state before ending his life to spare him the pain of death. What we know for sure is that he didn't go to heaven because Jesus stated in John 3:13 that "no man has ascended to heaven but he that has descended from heaven, the son of man." It seems too that his body was also disposed of the same way as Moses' body, so that even today no one can find their remains.

Elijah on the other hand was taken in a windstorm to heaven, but was it the same heaven that the angels dwell in? It had to be the physical heavens of the earth as described in Gen 1:6 and Deut 4:17. Why? Some 5 years later Elijah wrote a letter to the king of Judah (2Ch 21:12-15) proving that he was still alive. So he'd simply been transferred to a different prophetic assignment by God. The fact that Elisha didn't perform the customary period of mourning after his master was gone also gives evidence of him still being alive.

So according to biblical facts, these two did die, even if one of them was spared the pain of death, but both have the resurrection hope to look forward to.

Moparbyfar,
That was very interesting.
Thanks much for posting it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Moparbyfar,
There IS a big difference from ascended to taken.
Two men were taken to heaven, Jesus ascended.
Angels can ascend and descend just as Jesus can, but they are not men.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Playing with words Arcura, playing with words. I respect your beliefs though so peace with you. :)

Hi Mo.

Very well put; I thought it was something like that, but was not entirely sure.

But I can see where they get confused. I mean it does say something like 'taken to heaven and did not die'.

Especially with the account of Enoch, it could be very confusing.

BUT, very well put. Thanks for helping me out.

Oh good grief, these two men Elijah and Enoch were taken suddenly from the earth into the Heavens. I believe the Bible I believe God. I didn't write it... I didn't think it... I didn't inspire it... I simply read it and believe it.

NO. I disagree. Arcura isn't playing with words He is quoting the Bible... the Lord Jesus ascended to heaven. He was in control, HE IS God. The other two were taken.

( see, I got your back here Fred.. I don't always disagree with you my friend)

classyT,
Thanks, I have noticed that from time to time.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Like I said Classy, I respect Arcura's beliefs as I do any other but it's God's opinion that matters to me the most. You say you believe what the bible says, so the evidence I quoted especially regarding Elijah - straight out of the bible - doesn't convince you? Hmmm. Ok.

Oh good grief, these two men Elijah and Enoch were taken suddenly from the earth into the Heavens. I believe the Bible I believe God. I didn't write it...I didn't think it...I didn't inspire it...I simply read it and believe it.

NO. I disagree. Arcura isn't playing with words He is quoting the Bible...the Lord Jesus ascended to heaven. He was in control, HE IS God. the other two were taken.

( see, i got your back here Fred..i don't always disagree with you my friend)

I quite agree. And while she's got your back, I'll watch your left side :D:D

Moparbyfar,
That kind of thing happens because often we see things a bit differently or define them differently.
Sometimes taking another slower look clears up any mystery.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Mo, it is not so straight forward for anyone to figure out about the account of Elijah, and it is especially hard for anyone to accept what the Bible says when a particular teaching has been etched into their brain.

You cannot expect Classy to 'see the light' so fast. Give her time

... pretty full from all that humble pie :D
Apologies Classy for the unnecessary comment.
I accept that you do not share my beliefs. Best regards. :)

Mo,

I feel bad now, I re read my post and I seemed rude. Didn't mean to be AT ALL. I can come off as harsh but I'm not in the real world... soft as marshmallow. And just because I act like I know it all... I know I don't. ;)

BUT... in this case I do. :D

Haha, well said Classy