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J_9
Mar 15, 2010, 02:34 PM
I'm glad you like him hun. I'm just worried about you. It just seems he is taking a wait and see approach. That bothers me.

Alty
Mar 15, 2010, 03:12 PM
I'm glad you like him hun. I'm just worried about you. It just seems he is taking a wait and see approach. That bothers me.

I know J, but really, he's taking very good care of me. I'm also taking good care of myself.

He's keeping a very close eye on things. If there isn't an improvement soon then I'm off to the hospital. I promise you that I'm not letting this slide, that I'm on top of it.

I'm so glad I have you in my corner. Don't worry too much, okay? :)

J_9
Mar 15, 2010, 03:18 PM
I know J, but really, he's taking very good care of me. I'm also taking good care of myself.

He's keeping a very close eye on things. If there isn't an improvement soon then I'm off to the hospital. I promise you that I'm not letting this slide, that I'm on top of it.

I'm so glad I have you in my corner. Don't worry too much, okay? :)

I worry a lot. Why? Because if I worked for this doctor I would be questioning his orders. In my facility we have standing orders for a blood transfusion when the hemoglobin is 10 or under. Yours is HALF that. Your body is being forbidden life sustaining oxygen. Your organs, your heart, lungs, liver, kidneys are being deprived of the iron rich blood they need to survive. Damage is happening every day that goes by without a transfusion.

This is NOT something to take a wait and see approach. This is an emergent situation. Taking the iron pills for this is like putting a band aid on a severed artery. It just doesn't work.

You want to be alive and healthy when you children grow up right? Then you need to stand up and save yourself.

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2010, 03:19 PM
I guess I don't understand how he's taking good care of you. I remember how I looked and felt (like death) with a higher hemoglobin level than you're at!

Alty
Mar 15, 2010, 03:34 PM
I worry a lot. Why? Because if I worked for this doctor I would be questioning his orders. In my facility we have standing orders for a blood transfusion when the hemoglobin is 10 or under. Yours is HALF that. Your body is being forbidden life sustaining oxygen. Your organs, your heart, lungs, liver, kidneys are being deprived of the iron rich blood they need to survive. Damage is happening every day that goes by without a transfusion.

This is NOT something to take a wait and see approach. This is an emergent situation. Taking the iron pills for this is like putting a band aid on a severed artery. It just doesn't work.

You want to be alive and healthy when you children grow up right? Then you need to stand up and save yourself.

That I didn't know.

I will call him tomorrow morning, or go for a second opinion. I promise you J. I can't tonight, R has the only working vehicle and he's working nights. I'm stuck here with no transportation.

I will call first thing in the AM.

I know he's concerned that a blood transfusion at this point could be hazardous because my hemoglobin is so low. For him a blood transfusion is a last resort, after trying other avenues.

The Iron pills I'm on are Palafer 300mg, under that it says Ferrous Fumarate cap 300mg. Two a day.

Alty
Mar 15, 2010, 03:38 PM
I guess I don't understand how he's taking good care of you. I remember how I looked and felt (like death) with a higher hemoglobin level than you're at!

I do look and feel like death but I am feeling stronger today then I have in a long time.

I sleep a lot WG, too much in my mind, but I'm always tired. I'm taking it easy, my house is falling apart because I'm taking it easy.

R is being wonderful, buying foods high in iron, making sure that I'm okay. Last night we had liver with spinach salad, potatoes and a glass of orange juice (which the pharmacist told me to buy).

R also bought dried peaches for snacks. Apparently they're high in iron too.

On the minus side, I have not had a bowel movement in three days, even though I'm also taking a fiber supplement. :(

TMI?

Catsmine
Mar 15, 2010, 03:41 PM
On the minus side, I have not had a bowel movement in three days, even though I'm also taking a fiber supplement. :(

TMI?

If I recall correctly, that's kind of expected with a low iron count.

J_9
Mar 15, 2010, 03:43 PM
You better call first thing in the morning or I'm getting on my broom and flying there. I also want you to get a second opinion.

Look Alty, I'm not trying to scare you, just giving you the facts straight up. You know I don't sugar coat anything.

Now, off to work for me. If it's a slow night I'll be back.

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2010, 03:50 PM
Alty, I was just there six months ago, at the same place you are now. I was totally exhausted just walking the ten feet from the bathroom to the computer, had to sit for five minutes to stop panting, and otherwise couldn't even lift my arms to type. Foods, including water, didn't taste good; I wondered why even the water was so bad. The inside of my mouth was real sore, like I had eaten hot peppers, but didn't look any different. I needed three units of blood, stat.

Iron and good food won't help. There is a place inside you that is bleeding -- and it's not supposed to be bleeding. Yes, please call your doctor first thing in the morning.

Alty
Mar 15, 2010, 03:51 PM
You better call first thing in the morning or I'm getting on my broom and flying there. I also want you to get a second opinion.

Look Alty, I'm not trying to scare you, just giving you the facts straight up. You know I don't sugar coat anything.

Now, off to work for me. If it's a slow night I'll be back.

I know J, and I'm glad that you're telling me the facts. I'm not a doctor, or a nurse, so when my doctor says I'll be okay, I believe him. I'm glad that you're around to tell me the risks because yes, I do want to be around to see my kids grow up. Also, I just want to feel normal again.

I will get a second opinion and I will call my doctor tomorrow morning. I promise, no need to dust off the broomstick. ;)

Alty
Mar 15, 2010, 03:59 PM
Alty, I was just there six months ago, at the same place you are now. I was totally exhausted just walking the ten feet from the bathroom to the computer, had to sit for five minutes to stop panting, and otherwise couldn't even lift my arms to type. Foods, including water, didn't taste good; I wondered why even the water was so bad. The inside of my mouth was real sore, like I had eaten hot peppers, but didn't look any different. I needed three units of blood, stat.

Iron and good food won't help. There is a place inside you that is bleeding -- and it's not supposed to be bleeding. Yes, please call your doctor first thing in the morning.

I will WG.

I don't have the taste issues you did but I'm always thirsty and still dehydrated. I drink around 6 bottled waters (16oz) each a day and I'm still thirsty. I'm not really hungry, not because food tastes bad, it's just too much of an effort to cook or even make a sandwich. Hubby has been taking care of me, he's doing most of the cooking.

I could sleep 24/7. I went to bed at around midnight last night (yes, late, I know) but didn't get up until around 2pm this afternoon. R took the kids to school, my alarm didn't even wake me up and it always does.

I could nap again right now, even though I've only been up for 3 hours. :(

KISS
Mar 15, 2010, 05:23 PM
Alty. Virtual hugs!

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2010, 06:01 PM
Alty. Virtual hugs!
Hey! What about me?? I was anemic last September!! Where's my hug?

Aurora_Bell
Mar 15, 2010, 06:13 PM
Ill hug you if you want WG. If you teach me to spell.

Wondergirl
Mar 15, 2010, 06:20 PM
Ill hug you if you want WG. If you teach me to spell.
That's a deal!

(Do apostrophes count? You need one with "Ill" -- "I'll.")

Aurora_Bell
Mar 15, 2010, 06:25 PM
It's a start! Yes grammar counts! And I promise to try and use spell check every time.

Aurora_Bell
Mar 15, 2010, 06:26 PM
:d

KISS
Mar 15, 2010, 06:39 PM
Alty: This is nuts. I agree with J_9. Don't wait. Search Results: Merck Manual Professional (http://www.merck.com/mmpe/search.html?qt=blood+loss&qp=%2Bsite%3Awww.merck.com+%2Burl%3A%2Fmmpe+-url%3Aprint%2F+-url%3Aindex%2F+-url%3Aresources%2Fpronunciations+-url%3Amultimedia%2F+-url%3A%2Fmmpe%2Fau+-url%3A%2Fmmpe%2Fag+-url%3Alexicomp%2F&charset=utf8&la=en&start=0)

You apparently have aniema due to blood loss. I'm really surprised that someone isn't jumping. Patients that are bleeding that are waiting in the ER get serviced first.

They need to find and stop the source of the bleeding fast while you can still survive the procedures.

This is readable: Blood Counts and Anemia: The University Center for Bloodless Surgery and Medicine at University Hospital in Newark, NJ (http://www.theuniversityhospital.com/bloodless/html/whatisbloodless/anemia.htm)

It makes the decision to do a blood transfusion a bit more complicated, but at 5 it does seem like the right thing to do.

hheath541
Mar 15, 2010, 07:55 PM
I've been seeing this on the current threads feed for awhile, and never registered who started it. Alty, I will be keeping my fingers crossed for you. I know you'll be posting updates, but I'll still be waiting.

KISS
Mar 15, 2010, 08:42 PM
WG:

My mom had bleeding ulcers due to Celebrex and Bextra and ended up in the hospital twice. Neither time was fun. She just ended up having a colonosopy with a pediatric scope and the offending meds were stopped. She can't have any NSAI's and has to eliminate seeds from tomatoes and cucumbers for instance.

Alty:
With a loss of blood there may be a loss of blood pressure. I hope you have a means to keep track of it. Fluids can raise blood pressure. Staying put and drinking can raise it if it becomes an issue.

I laid mom down at Mcdonalds because she sort of passed out after getting up. She was out for about 5 minutes. Fortunately, no bones broke nor did her spine suffer more damage. They took her by ambulance and kept her for 4 days, found nothing and sent her home.

I found her on the floor one morning and she said she fell. I took vitals and blood sugar and BP really plummeted like 80/60 or something like that. I got her recovered at home with some professional help by phone. Took her in later in the day and the doc said she was lucky I knew what to do and one of the blood pressure meds was removed permanently.

Blood is a life line. I think the sign of blood qualifies as an emergency.

Alty
Mar 15, 2010, 09:03 PM
My blood pressure is normal for now, according to the machine at Walmart. ;)

friend4u178
Mar 15, 2010, 09:06 PM
10,000 posts alty , Congrats... I think ;)

KISS
Mar 15, 2010, 09:06 PM
That's a plus. Night Night.

Alty
Mar 15, 2010, 09:22 PM
10,000 posts alty , Congrats...............I think ;)

OMG! I have no life! :(

Alty
Mar 15, 2010, 09:24 PM
i've been seeing this on the current threads feed for awhile, and never registered who started it. alty, i will be keeping my fingers crossed for you. i know you'll be posting updates, but i'll still be waiting.

I still have to spread the rep. :(

Thanks Heath. I'll keep everyone posted. No worries. :)

Clough
Mar 17, 2010, 02:23 AM
Hey! What about me???? I was anemic last September!!!! Where's my hug?

Here's a hug for you, Wondergirl! :)

((((((((Wondergirl))))))))

88sunflower
Mar 17, 2010, 06:24 AM
I agree with them all Alty. Get a second opinion. Its not going to hurt and can only help.

My brother-in-law had colon cancer. He stayed with our local hospital which has a bad rep. Over the coarse of two years they gave him 11 full body scans and said he was clear of cancer. Fine 100%. Shortly after he died. He waited on his second opinion and it was to late. His second opinion said it was to late the cancer spread through his entire body and there was nothing they could do. I wasn't going to tell you this when you started this thread. But seeing the alarm in J9 I think you need to hear second opinions aren't a bad thing. Its not going to offend your doctor and he doenst even need to know.

My mother-in-law also put off her illness. She survived breast cancer with flying colors. Symptoms came back and it was put on the back burner. Sure enough she had cancer in her liver. We had a private plane fly her to NYC for a transplant. But by then it was to late and she never made her turn on the waiting list.

Listen to your friends. Who cares if you do offend your doctor wanting another opinion. He still gets a paycheck if you make it or not Alty. Get another opinion.

Aurora_Bell
Mar 17, 2010, 06:44 AM
Hi Alty,
How are you feeling today?

Alty
Mar 17, 2010, 08:21 AM
Hi all. I have an appointment with my doctor this morning, I'm going to demand that something be done because I'm actually feeling worse.

My legs are hurting so bad that I can barely walk up the stairs, forget about sitting or standing. I am shaky, I am dizzy and I am white as a sheet. My heart feels like it's going to come out of my chest any minute now.

I may end up in hospital today, if so I'll ask R to either post on Facebook or email one of you to let you know. He may not get to that right away, my being in the hospital will cause a lot of problems here at home. R is on nights at the moment, we can't afford for him to miss work but I can't ask any of my friends to take the kids overnight, especially on a school night. Not only do none of them have the room but it would be too hard on the kids.

I'm going to have to juggle a few things, find a way to make this work because I really think I need to be in the hospital right now.

I'll try to keep you all posted.

Thanks for all the support. :)

Unknown008
Mar 17, 2010, 08:34 AM
Aww, I'm sad to hear this... don't give up Alty, fight on, I know you can! :)

And yes, keep us posted, we worry so much about you :(

Alty
Mar 17, 2010, 08:34 AM
excon agrees : I LOVE your legs. They better STOP huring you, or I'll get 'em!

Exy, I'd be easy to catch right now, if one was so inclined. ;)

Got to go, doctors appointment in 30 minutes, have to get dressed.

Later gators. :)

afaroo
Mar 17, 2010, 08:50 AM
Hi Alty,

Don't giveup be strong we all will pray for you wish you all the best, Good luck.

Regards,
John

88sunflower
Mar 18, 2010, 07:35 AM
Alty!
I am glad your going to the doctor and you better not come back. Meaning he better admit you and get you well. Run every test needed. We know if you come up MIA its for good reason. You worry about you and don't worry about us. We will be here when you come back to fill us all in.

In my thoughts and big hugs.

Aurora_Bell
Mar 18, 2010, 07:42 AM
I hope you get in too! I'm thinking about you today. Oh and I took your advice ;)

Alty
Mar 18, 2010, 08:05 AM
I hope you get in too! I'm thinking about ya today. Oh and I took your advice ;)

My advice? Which one? ;)

albear
Mar 18, 2010, 08:31 AM
Hi Alty, was the visit to the doc eventful? I hope so :)

Alty
Mar 18, 2010, 08:33 AM
hi Alty, was the visit to the doc eventful?, i hope so :)

I don't know yet Bear, I'm waiting for the result on my blood work. I should find out some time today, then we'll go from there. :)

albear
Mar 18, 2010, 08:35 AM
Reet :)

Hugs Alty :)

Alty
Mar 18, 2010, 08:37 AM
reet :)

hugs Alty :)

Hugs back Bear Bum. :)

Synnen
Mar 18, 2010, 09:01 AM
I would just like to point out that Alty had BETTER not go MIA. She has my phone number, TWO of my email addresses, my Facebook, and my physical address. If she can't contact me herself, her hubby had BETTER do it.

Then I can at least keep everyone informed!

Besides--if you don't tell your "sister" what's up, she gets to beat you up. And NOT in the fun way!

albear
Mar 18, 2010, 09:08 AM
I would just like to point out that Alty had BETTER not go MIA. She has my phone number, TWO of my email addresses, my Facebook, and my physical address. If she can't contact me herself, her hubby had BETTER do it.

Then I can at least keep everyone informed!

Besides--if you don't tell your "sister" what's up, she gets to beat you up. and NOT in the fun way!

Ill second that :D

Aurora_Bell
Mar 18, 2010, 09:12 AM
I already threw an eraser at her, so I'll pass on the beatings, but I'd like to know anyway!! :)

Alty
Mar 18, 2010, 09:13 AM
I would just like to point out that Alty had BETTER not go MIA. She has my phone number, TWO of my email addresses, my Facebook, and my physical address. If she can't contact me herself, her hubby had BETTER do it.

Then I can at least keep everyone informed!

Besides--if you don't tell your "sister" what's up, she gets to beat you up. and NOT in the fun way!

Hubby has strict orders to email you, J and M if I end up in the hospital. This way I cover a few time zones. ;)

He's really nervous about all of this. He usually never calls me from work, it's just not something we do. This last week he calls during every break at work. It's getting a bit annoying. I just pick up the phone and say "Yes, I'm still alive. No, I'm not planning on dying today and no, there's no change".

I understand that he's worried but it's making me more worried. :(

He even bought me chocolates the other day. He's got to stop this. ;)

Synnen
Mar 18, 2010, 09:27 AM
Yeah--it should be flowers and doing dishes, not chocolates ;)

Duh.

Alty
Mar 18, 2010, 09:30 AM
Yeah--it should be flowers and doing dishes, not chocolates ;)

Duh.

He loaded the dishwasher and emptied it yesterday. :eek:

I prefer chocolates to flowers, they taste better. :)

Still no call from my doctor.

No news is good news? :confused:

Cat1864
Mar 18, 2010, 09:39 AM
He loaded the dishwasher and emptied it yesterday. :eek:

I prefer chocolates to flowers, they taste better. :)



Okay, so clean dishes (I hope he ran the dishwasher before he emptied it. We won't go into well-meaning but forgetful husbands. :) ) and chocolates are better than flowers.

It's still early in the day. :)

Alty
Mar 18, 2010, 09:44 AM
Okay, so clean dishes (I hope he ran the dishwasher before he emptied it. We won't go into well-meaning but forgetful husbands. :) ) and chocolates are better than flowers.

It's still early in the day. :)

He did run it and then empty it. I think he even refilled it and ran it again.

Today he's doing some grocery shopping, there may be chocolate on the list. :)

Catsmine
Mar 18, 2010, 01:52 PM
(I hope he ran the dishwasher before he emptied it. We won't go into well-meaning but forgetful husbands.

Hey now! What'd the Doc say? You can call him.

hheath541
Mar 18, 2010, 05:17 PM
Hubby has strict orders to email you, J and M if I end up in the hospital. This way I cover a few time zones. ;)

He's really nervous about all of this. He usually never calls me from work, it's just not something we do. This last week he calls during every break at work. It's getting a bit annoying. I just pick up the phone and say "Yes, I'm still alive. No, I'm not planning on dying today and no, there's no change".

I understand that he's worried but it's making me more worried. :(

He even bought me chocolates the other day. He's got to stop this. ;)

tell him that he doesn't keep us informed, that will mail him an envelope of cat fur everyday so that he NEVER stops sneezing ^_^

friend4u178
Mar 18, 2010, 05:29 PM
Hubby has strict orders to email you, J and M if I end up in the hospital. This way I cover a few time zones. ;)




He better :cool:

I just hope it doesn't happen :(

Alty
Mar 18, 2010, 05:44 PM
He better :cool:

I just hope it doesn't happen :(

He will, that's a promise. :)

I hope it doesn't happen either but maybe it's for the best.

KISS
Mar 18, 2010, 07:33 PM
I smell "Hurry up and wait" mode. I hate that mode.

88sunflower
Mar 20, 2010, 05:05 PM
OK this thread is quiet. Any word on Alty? Anyone?
Alty??

hheath541
Mar 20, 2010, 05:27 PM
Well, she's been in other threads, so she hasn't disappeared.

Alty
Mar 20, 2010, 05:29 PM
OK this thread is quiet. Any word on Alty? Anyone?
Alty????

Present. :)

Alty is the same. Actually, Alty is feeling a bit better (knock on wood). :)

How are you Sunny?

88sunflower
Mar 20, 2010, 05:39 PM
Good to hear your feeling OK. I was wondering. I check in and saw it was quiet. I was thinking the doctor admitted you.

I am well right now. I am the dumping station for kids every weekend. The little girl across the road is here again and her mother just leaves. Doesn't tell me and no phone number where she is going. Nice. Hope there is no emergency. Last weekend she was here 30 hours.

KBC
Mar 20, 2010, 05:55 PM
But no further word from the docs yet?

J_9
Mar 20, 2010, 06:11 PM
This is the last time I am going to say how worried I am. Since you can't hear me, you can't hear the fear in my voice.

I do want to say that I'm truly hoping this health care bill does not pass tomorrow, or we will be in the same boat as you Alty.

hheath541
Mar 20, 2010, 06:26 PM
At this point, ANY health care is better than what I currently have. I haven't had a basic check-up since I was 8. I didn't have my first pap smear until I became homeless. As far I know, I don't have any health problems, but I would have no way of knowing.

I have bad hips. Don't KNOW what's wrong with them. I SUSPECT it's arthritis, but that would require a doctor's visit to confirm.

Stringer
Mar 20, 2010, 06:32 PM
This is the last time I am going to say how worried I am. Since you can't hear me, you can't hear the fear in my voice.

I do want to say that I'm truly hoping this health care bill does not pass tomorrow, or we will be in the same boat as you Alty.

I'm afraid that I have to agree J, but it doesn't look like it...

J_9
Mar 20, 2010, 06:47 PM
I'm afraid that I have to agree J, but it doesn't look like it....

I'm afraid that if it passes I will have to go back to school for another career. I just don't know what I would do?

Heath, it's my understanding that you will still have to pay for this health care.

Health care should be mandated by the state, not the nation.

hheath541
Mar 20, 2010, 06:52 PM
I'm afraid that if it passes I will have to go back to school for another career. I just don't know what I would do?

Heath, it's my understanding that you will still have to pay for this health care.

Health care should be mandated by the state, not the nation.

If that's the case, then it won't change a thing in my life. Yay. Not.

J_9
Mar 20, 2010, 06:59 PM
if that's the case, then it won't change a thing in my life. yay. not.

But if you don't buy into it, you will be fined. So you have to pay either way. :mad:

hheath541
Mar 20, 2010, 07:03 PM
Yeah, I can barely afford to have a place to live. Let's see them try to fine me.

88sunflower
Mar 20, 2010, 07:14 PM
Grr... my computer has been messed up since my last post.

Alty
Mar 20, 2010, 07:48 PM
But no further word from the docs yet?

No news is good news? :confused:

Clough
Mar 20, 2010, 08:28 PM
Where I live, health care is taken care of by the State, if you can't afford it.

Clough
Mar 20, 2010, 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by KBC
But no further word from the docs yet?


No news is good news? :confused:

That's what we would like to think, but I'm not so sure about that...

hheath541
Mar 20, 2010, 08:41 PM
Where I live, health care is taken care of by the State, if you can't afford it.

I don't qualify for state health care. Child 19 and under qualify based on income. The same with seniors 65 and over. Between those ages, you have to either have a documented disability that requires frequent medical care, or have a child under 19 years old.

Since I haven't been stupid enough to have a kid I don't want, I don't qualify for health care. The only way to find out if you have a disability is to go to a doctor, which requires health care.

J_9
Mar 20, 2010, 08:42 PM
That's what we would like to think, but I'm not so sure about that...
Sadly, I have to agree with you Clough. Not sad that I have to agree, but sadly I have to agree... did that make any sense? Nah, I didn't think so.

Clough
Mar 20, 2010, 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by Clough
Where I live, health care is taken care of by the State, if you can't afford it.


I don't qualify for state health care. Child 19 and under qualify based on income. The same with seniors 65 and over. Between those ages, you have to either have a documented disability that requires frequent medical care, or have a child under 19 years old.

Since I haven't been stupid enough to have a kid I don't want, I don't qualify for health care. The only way to find out if you have a disability is to go to a doctor, which requires health care.

What State is this, please?

Clough
Mar 20, 2010, 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Clough
That's what we would like to think, but I'm not so sure about that...


Sadly, I have to agree with you Clough. Not sad that I have to agree, but sadly I have to agree... did that make any sense? Nah, I didn't think so.

You're getting philosophical here, J_9! That's okay! ;)

J_9
Mar 20, 2010, 08:56 PM
You're getting philosophical here, J_9! That's okay! ;)

I'm getting philosophical? Maybe I should go back to school for philosophy if the health care bill passes.

Wondergirl
Mar 20, 2010, 09:02 PM
You're getting philosophical here, J_9! That's okay! ;)
Why would the bill's passage discourage current health care workers? Seems like there would be an even bigger need for good people. The salaries and benefits would be less?

hheath541
Mar 20, 2010, 09:03 PM
What State is this, please?

Ohio

JoeCanada76
Mar 20, 2010, 09:10 PM
Happy your feeling a bit better Alty.

Take care everyone and have a great night.

Joe

J_9
Mar 20, 2010, 09:10 PM
Why would the bill's passage discourage current health care workers? Seems like there would be an even bigger need for good people. The salaries and benefits would be less?

The salaries and benefits would be WAY less. There is already a nursing shortage, and we don't get paid near what we should. Not that I'm knocking having a job, mind you.

What you don't see are the behind-the-scenes. For example, we have a form of health care here in TN that is similar to what the bill proposes. What we have here are people going to L&D at 7 at night when they could have visited the doctor before 5. These costs are astronomical and we don't get paid for that. Our unit only gets paid for actual deliveries.

We have patients who come up to our unit for attention getting purposes only, but none of them are real insurance carrying people, but rather medicaid patients. Now, I'm not saying that all medicaid patients are like that, but we do have a high number of them that are.

I could go on and on about this as I am not only a nurse, but I reconcile the charges for every person who comes to our unit for anything. I have a meeting on Wednesday with the state and corporate auditors to discuss these charges. We lose almost 75% of our revenue to people that do not have private insurance.

Clough
Mar 20, 2010, 09:18 PM
Originally Posted by Clough
You're getting philosophical here, J_9! That's okay! ;)


I'm getting philosophical? Maybe I should go back to school for philosophy if the health care bill passes.

It's a matter of opinion. The health care bill, if passed or not, is a matter of philosophical debate, in my opinion.

Clough
Mar 20, 2010, 09:21 PM
ohio

Thank you for filling me in about that. I'm in Illinois. I'll have to check out the statutes in Ohio.

Wondergirl
Mar 20, 2010, 09:22 PM
The salaries and benefits would be WAY less. There is already a nursing shortage, and we don't get paid near what we should. Not that I'm knocking having a job, mind you.

What you don't see are the behind-the-scenes. For example, we have a form of health care here in TN that is similar to what the bill proposes. What we have here are people going to L&D at 7 at night when they could have visited the doctor before 5. These costs are astronomical and we don't get paid for that. Our unit only gets paid for actual deliveries.

We have patients who come up to our unit for attention getting purposes only, but none of them are real insurance carrying people, but rather medicaid patients. Now, I'm not saying that all medicaid patients are like that, but we do have a high number of them that are.

I could go on and on about this as I am not only a nurse, but I reconcile the charges for every person who comes to our unit for anything. I have a meeting on Wednesday with the state and corporate auditors to discuss these charges. We lose almost 75% of our revenue to people that do not have private insurance.
Wow! My niece just became an RN, and I got the impression she is pretty well-paid.

Your description of the nursing situation sounds almost identical at times to the library profession -- "people going to [the library] at 7 at night [and wanting to stay past closing at 9] when they could have visited [it] before 5... [people] who come up to [the library] for attention getting purposes only, but none of them are [card-carrying patrons], but rather [unincorporated residents who cannot check out books because they don't pay taxes to the library]." And we serve everyone at notoriously low salaries no matter what their needs or where they live.

I feel for you!

J_9
Mar 20, 2010, 09:53 PM
Wow! My niece just became an RN, and I got the impression she is pretty well-paid.

It all depends if she is working in a for-profit or not-for-profit hospital and what her specialty is.

Wondergirl
Mar 20, 2010, 10:06 PM
It all depends if she is working in a for-profit or not-for-profit hospital and what her specialty is.
She's just a floor nurse, maybe at a church-run hospital (but not sure). It's a small-town, semi-rural area near the Quad Cities (Illinois-Iowa -- near Clough, in fact).

Wondergirl
Mar 21, 2010, 06:05 PM
The salaries and benefits would be WAY less.
A friend was watching the political stuff today on TV and emailed me this: "Well, the AMA supported it and so does the biggest nurses assoc, the ANA. They urged its passage."

J_9
Mar 21, 2010, 06:20 PM
A friend was watching the political stuff today on tv and emailed me this: "Well, the AMA supported it and so does the biggest nurses assoc, the ANA. They urged its passage."

Where did your friend get this info?

The only two doctors I work for (they voted for Nobama) have decided to retire if this passes. Why? Because they will be required to perform abortions. Something they clearly don't believe in. It is against their beliefs as obstetricians and Christians.

We will be earning .50 on the dollar, there will be more patients than there are doctors, so the waiting list to get in to be seen will be significantly higher.

Look at what Alty is going through, how long it is taking her to be seen and diagnosed, that is what we are facing. Higher mortality rates due to fewer providers and longer wait lists to be seen for diagnostic treatments.

Medicare will suffer, the elderly who depend on this will have increased health costs while those that have babies to get a check will have decreased costs.

Look at it this way, those that have to pay for their health care, or a portion thereof, take better care of themselves, even if it's only $10 a visit.

Wondergirl
Mar 21, 2010, 06:59 PM
Where did your friend get this info?
I said she was watching the sessions on TV. She likes that stuff.

I thought the idea is that everyone will have to purchase an insurance plan or pay a penalty. Nothing is supposed to be free.

J_9
Mar 21, 2010, 07:05 PM
I thought the idea is that everyone will have to purchase an insurance plan or pay a penalty. Nothing is supposed to be free.

That's not all that's involved. OB/GYNs are supposed to be able to perform abortions whether they want to or not. The costs of health care will actually be increased for senior citizens, there is so much more, I could go into a diatribe, but we are already hijacking Alty's thread. :o

While I agree that we need to do something, the current plan will ruin us. Doctors will retire, nurses will retire, the shortage of medical professionals will leave us in a health care bind.

I'd like to read that email your friend sent you. I don't know anyone in my profession who is actually "for" this bill. We are afraid of it actually. If it passes, I will be going back to school for my masters to work in the legal field, yet again, as an expert witness.

Wondergirl
Mar 21, 2010, 07:32 PM
I'd like to read that email your friend sent you.
I quoted her entire email except for a comment about a recipe she made that had fennel in it. Do you want that part too?

artlady
Mar 21, 2010, 07:59 PM
The only two doctors I work for (they voted for Nobama) have decided to retire if this passes. Why? Because they will be required to perform abortions. Something they clearly don't believe in. It is against their beliefs as obstetricians and Christians.

They should not be forced to do that! There has to be more dialog about this.
Clearly we have many kinks to work out of this plan.The bottom line is health care for everyone.That is the goal.

J_9
Mar 21, 2010, 08:15 PM
They should not be forced to do that! There has to be more dialog about this.
Clearly we have many kinks to work out of this plan.The bottom line is health care for everyone.That is the goal.

That's the goal Artsy, but this is not the correct plan. The docs I work for will have to accept everyone, and do whatever procedure is necessary, including abortion.

My opinion is that we have to protect our elderly. They have worked all their lives to be able to enjoy the luxuries of life. They won't be able to do that with the current plan.

artlady
Mar 21, 2010, 08:27 PM
\ Hay girl I made this a long time ago but I see you in this image and know you are connected.

J_9
Mar 21, 2010, 08:31 PM
\ Hay girl I made this a long time ago but I see you in this image and know you are connected.

That is beautiful. You made it?

friend4u178
Mar 21, 2010, 08:33 PM
I agree J , that's a great picture.



Hang on... if that's you , your not wearing a Bra :eek:

artlady
Mar 21, 2010, 09:23 PM
That is all our girl needs to do ,our sweetie alty ,chill and look to the east
We all send good vibes,it will work! I know this to be true!

artlady
Mar 21, 2010, 09:24 PM
That is beautiful. You made it?

Thanks!

artlady
Mar 21, 2010, 09:31 PM
You people are so kind and giving,I feel so blessed to call you my friends and you know who you are !
You rock,, you really do!

artlady
Mar 21, 2010, 09:33 PM
Your on line how you doing?

Alty
Mar 21, 2010, 09:34 PM
Your on line how you doin?

Hi Artsy, I'm doing okay. I'm hanging in there.

M, quit staring at my breasts! ;)

artlady
Mar 21, 2010, 09:38 PM
Hi Artsy, I'm doing okay. I'm hanging in there.

M, quit staring at my breasts! ;)

Hay good to see you here,
I just got a bad diagnosis about me too.man life is tough.
But we got to hang ,right sweetie :rolleyes:

artlady
Mar 21, 2010, 09:41 PM
If you follow basketball at all you have to root for syracuse.
My home team! Root for us!

Alty
Mar 21, 2010, 09:41 PM
Hay good to see you here,
I just got a bad diagnosis about me too.man life is tough.
But we gotta hang ,right sweetie :rolleyes:

What's going on Artsy? Did I miss something? What bad diagnosis? Are you okay?

Talk to me girl. I need to know.

artlady
Mar 21, 2010, 09:51 PM
What's going on Artsy? Did I miss something? What bad diagnosis? Are you okay?

Talk to me girl. I need to know.

Oh honey I have many problems but we will put them on the back burner for now..
Love you sweetheart!

Alty
Mar 21, 2010, 09:54 PM
Oh honey I have many problems but we will put them on the back burner for now..
Love you sweetheart!

Artsy, if there's something going on and you want to talk about it, we're all here, I hope you know that.

I understand if you don't want to talk about it, but we worry about you. Just be safe, be healthy and most importantly, keep being you because we all love you.

artlady
Mar 21, 2010, 10:14 PM
Artsy, if there's something going on and you want to talk about it, we're all here, I hope you know that.

I understand if you don't want to talk about it, but we worry about you. Just be safe, be healthy and most importantly, keep being you because we all love you.

Well thanks honey :) I love you too!
Pretty sick but I will survive !
Tough old broad that I am !
I am really searching for good doctors to help me and that is a huge thing,
You are so blessed to have the doctor that you have faith in.It means so much.
I would give anything for a good doctor. Your blessed.

You get better now you hear me ? You're my sister and I am praying for you ;)

All my love to you :D

KBC
Mar 22, 2010, 01:42 AM
YEAH!, what she said!

Unknown008
Mar 22, 2010, 06:27 AM
Anyway, Arty, get well soon you too! With illnesses, we may never know when complications can arise :( Just take care, okay?

Alty, get your pills regularly now, the thyroid ones. (I'm saying it again to remind you again, just in case ;))

You're both in my prayers.

::Hugs::

KBC
Mar 22, 2010, 01:43 PM
:confused::(:confused:

Anything today? All is well I hope?

Probably getting tired of all this digging into your life, but... ya know;)

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 02:47 PM
Hi all. Ken, you make me giggle. ;)

I slept most of the day, had a rough night, tummy ache, legs hurting, couldn't get comfy, couldn't find "the zone".

I have a few things that need to be done today, but I'm just too tired. Darn stupid anemia. But other then that, I am feeling better. :)

Thanks for all the prayers and love and the reminder to take my pills. :)

Aurora_Bell
Mar 22, 2010, 02:53 PM
All that stuff will be there, when you're feeling up to doing it! Rest!

Have you heard anything from the Doc today?

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 02:55 PM
All that stuff will be there, when you're feeling up to doing it! Rest!

Have you heard anything from the Doc today?

I called him. He says my hemoglobin is slowly getting higher, so the iron pills are working.

Next step, keep the hemoglobin rising and then find out why I'm bleeding so I don't have to be on iron pills for the rest of my life. ;)

Complete physical on March 30 and then CT scan on April 6. I'm still waiting for an appointment for a colonoscopy. :(

KBC
Mar 22, 2010, 02:56 PM
Hi all. Ken, you make me giggle. ;)

I slept most of the day, had a rough night, tummy ache, legs hurting, couldn't get comfy, couldn't find "the zone".

I have a few things that need to be done today, but I'm just too tired. Darn stupid anemia. But other then that, I am feeling better. :)

Thanks for all the prayers and love and the reminder to take my pills. :)

I can't sleep at night either, maybe we should go over those plans? :p

I wake around 3 every night/morning, whatever:mad:, Moods swinging like a monkey on roids,head cold(thanks Dad! )

Just thought you might want some company in the misery zone:rolleyes:

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 02:59 PM
I can't sleep at night either,,maybe we should go over those plans??:p

I wake around 3 every night/morning,,whatever:mad:,,Moods swinging like a monkey on roids,head cold(thanks Dad!!)

Just thought you might want some company in the misery zone:rolleyes:

That reminds me, I was going to email you but other things came up, as you can see from this thread. ;)

I still can't view the plans you sent me. It's so frustrating. It's like have Pandora's box but not even having the option of looking inside.

Next time you're up at 3 call me, I'll probably be up for my 10th trip to the bathroom. :( I have a tiny bladder, apparently it's the size of a lentil.

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 03:01 PM
Complete physical on March 30 and then CT scan on April 6. I'm still waiting for an appointment for a colonoscopy.
Is the blood red or dark?

Why a CT scan?

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 03:12 PM
Is the blood red or dark?

Why a CT scan?

Red Wondergirl, and fee flowing, almost like you cut yourself and it's just gushing.

The CT scan is to check out my abdomen, see if there are any abnormalities. He's just covering all the bases. He also wants an ultrasound done, a colonoscopy and an endoscopy.

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 03:15 PM
Well, it's better to have too many tests and rule out some options, than to decide against the one that could catch the problem because you don't think it's needed.

Aurora_Bell
Mar 22, 2010, 03:19 PM
I know you posted it before, but where are you bleeding from? I missed it I think..,.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 03:22 PM
I know you posted it before, but where are you bleeding from? i missed it I think..,.

:eek: You're going to make me repeat it? It was hard enough to post it the first time. :eek:

I'm bleeding from my bum Bella. It's a bum bleed. Say that 5 times fast. ;)

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 03:23 PM
Red Wondergirl, and fee flowing, almost like you cut yourself and it's just gushing.
This sounds like colon, and you are not an emergency?

J_9
Mar 22, 2010, 03:25 PM
This sounds like colon, and you are not an emergency?

I can't believe that either.

Aurora_Bell
Mar 22, 2010, 03:27 PM
Ohhhhhhh sorry!!
Yikes a bum bleed. Um wow. How come you're not at emerg? Um a bum bleed. Wow.

KBC
Mar 22, 2010, 03:37 PM
During a visit to a mental institution, I asked the Director, 'How do you determine whether a patient should be institutionalized?'
'Well,' said the Director, 'we fill up a bathtub, then we offer a teaspoon,a teacup and a bucket to the patient and ask him or her to empty the bathtub.'
'Oh, I understand,' I said. 'A normal person would use the bucket because
It's bigger than the spoon or the teacup.'














'No.' said the Director, 'A normal person would pull the plug. Do u want a bed near the window?'
ARE YOU GOING TO PASS THIS ON, OR DO YOU WANT THE BED NEXT TO MINE?

Aurora_Bell
Mar 22, 2010, 03:48 PM
I'll take the bed next to yours if it gets me out of work.

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 03:54 PM
During a visit to a mental institution, I asked the Director, 'How do you determine whether or not a patient should be institutionalized?'
'Well,' said the Director, 'we fill up a bathtub, then we offer a teaspoon,a teacup and a bucket to the patient and ask him or her to empty the bathtub.'
'Oh, I understand,' I said. 'A normal person would use the bucket because
it's bigger than the spoon or the teacup.'














'No.' said the Director, 'A normal person would pull the plug. Do u want a bed near the window?'
ARE YOU GOING TO PASS THIS ON, OR DO YOU WANT THE BED NEXT TO MINE?

So, I guess it's a bad thing that I would roll up my pantlegs and splash the water out like a dog digging a hole?

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 04:00 PM
During a visit to a mental institution, I asked the Director, 'How do you determine whether or not a patient should be institutionalized?'
'Well,' said the Director, 'we fill up a bathtub, then we offer a teaspoon,a teacup and a bucket to the patient and ask him or her to empty the bathtub.'
'Oh, I understand,' I said. 'A normal person would use the bucket because
it's bigger than the spoon or the teacup.'














'No.' said the Director, 'A normal person would pull the plug. Do u want a bed near the window?'
ARE YOU GOING TO PASS THIS ON, OR DO YOU WANT THE BED NEXT TO MINE?

I've heard that one before. I'll take the bed next to yours. ;)

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 04:06 PM
This sounds like colon, and you are not an emergency?

It's Canada WG. My doctor could set up my being in the hospital, but they'll likely not run any tests, they'll just do blood work, possibly prescribe iron (like my doctor did) and then set up appointments with specialists (like my doctor did). Unless I pass out, or my hemoglobin fails to rise from the iron pills, they won't do anything without a diagnosis. They don't diagnose, they treat. It's frustrating.

The only time I ever got treatment in the hospital was when I miscarried, and that's only because I was hemorrhaging and passed out while they were leading me to a treatment room.

Even then, I was there for around 5 hours before they decided to do a D&C. They did ultrasounds first (to see if the fetus had passed) and when they realized it hadn't and that I was losing blood fast, I had the D & C. It's a long process.

There's nothing I can do. Sadly, there's also nothing my doctor can do, until I get a diagnosis, which he's doing his best to discover.

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 04:14 PM
The only time I ever got treatment in the hospital was when I miscarried, and that's only because I was hemorrhaging and passed out while they were leading me to a treatment room.
You are hemorrhaging now. The iron pills are only making your blood richer before it pours out of your body. Your doctor has no power to get you a colonoscopy, like, yesterday?

How long have you been bleeding?

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 05:29 PM
You are hemorrhaging now. The iron pills are only making your blood richer before it pours out of your body. Your doctor has no power to get you a colonoscopy, like, yesterday?

How long have you been bleeding?

I've been bleeding on and off since I was a teen. It's only gotten to be consistent in the last few years. Actually, since my miscarriage.

He can only request, he has no power over the specialists. It's first come first serve and the waiting list is usually around 6 months, unless you can dish out the $5000 + to get ahead of the line.

Here's the thing. The iron pills are raising my hemoglobin, keeping me alive, until I get a diagnosis. It's the first step. If it doesn't work, we go to the next step.

I've mentioned a transfusion to him, that's a last resort. There are many risks with a transfusion and most doctors only resort to it if there aren't any other options. His concern about the transfusion is that we don't know what's causing the anemia. It would be like putting a bandaid on an arterial wound. It may stench the bleeding, but it won't fix the wound, it will still kill you, only slower.

If nothing else works then I'll have to have a transfusion, but his hope is to find the source and fix that, instead of pouring water into a leaking pipe without looking for the hole.

That's where I'm at. I need to get in to the specialists, get a diagnosis and fix the leak. I'm hoping it's a simple leak.

The fact that I have an appointment for a CT scan on April 6, it's amazing. I know you all think it's so far away, but considering that most people have to wait 6 months or more, well, my doctor is pulling every string he can. He's doing the best working within a system that is set up to go against doctors and their patients.

Synnen
Mar 22, 2010, 05:29 PM
I agree with ALL of this advice.

I also would like to point out that those of you in the US should contact your congressman with what Alty is going through and ask him/her NOT to vote for the health bill. THIS is why I hate nationalized medicine.

And all I can do right now is sit here and pray and worry my guts out for my sister Alty.

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 05:42 PM
The fact that I have an appointment for a CT scan on April 6, it's amazing. I know you all think it's so far away, but considering that most people have to wait 6 months or more, well, my doctor is pulling every string he can. He's doing the best working within a system that is set up to go against doctors and their patients.

It's not that far off. It's what? 2-3 weeks? During that time you'll be taking the iron pills to stay as healthy as possible, and possibly even getting a little better.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 05:51 PM
I agree with ALL of this advice.

I also would like to point out that those of you in the US should contact your congressman with what Alty is going through and ask him/her NOT to vote for the health bill. THIS is why I hate nationalized medicine.

And all I can do right now is sit here and pray and worry my guts out for my sister Alty.

It's only been this way for a few years Synn. It wasn't always this bad.

We used to pay $18/month for health care and if you needed to go to a specialist, it was instant.

Then the powers that be decided to change it, make it a two tier system where the rich get in right away and the poor wait for an appointment, unless they can dish out the thousands to get in right away.

We no longer pay the $18/month, the government does, but if you need that $5000 CT scan and have to wait for 6 months, you really wish you could go back to paying that $18/month.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 05:53 PM
it's not that far off. it's what? 2-3 weeks? during that time you'll be taking the iron pills to stay as healthy as possible, and possibly even getting a little better.

Exactly. I also have that full physical with my doctor on March 30.

Right now I just have to get my hemoglobin up (which the iron is slowly doing) so we can find out what's causing everything.

I do feel better. I do feel stronger. It's working. It's not a permanent solution but it will keep me alive until I find out what I'm dealing with.

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 05:57 PM
I do feel better. I do feel stronger. It's working. It's not a permanent solution but it will keep me alive until I find out what I'm dealing with.
Getting your hemoglobin level up has nothing to do with fixing what's bleeding.

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 05:58 PM
Exactly. I also have that full physical with my doctor on March 30.

Right now I just have to get my hemoglobin up (which the iron is slowly doing) so we can find out what's causing everything.

I do feel better. I do feel stronger. It's working. It's not a permanent solution but it will keep me alive until I find out what I'm dealing with.

This is insane what a system. :rolleyes:

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 06:00 PM
It's only been this way for a few years Synn. It wasn't always this bad.

We used to pay $18/month for health care and if you needed to go to a specialist, it was instant.

Then the powers that be decided to change it, make it a two tier system where the rich get in right away and the poor wait for an appointment, unless they can dish out the thousands to get in right away.

We no longer pay the $18/month, the government does, but if you need that $5000 CT scan and have to wait for 6 months, you really wish you could go back to paying that $18/month.

I would LOVE it if the US had a GOOD universal healthcare system. Right now a huge portion of the country just doesn't have healthcare. There's always the emergency room, but if you need to go to a specialist for something less than life threatening, or have an issue that requires more long-term or intensive care than the emergency room can give, you're SOL. If you're dying, they'll treat you. Otherwise, expect to be sent on your way with a bogus diagnosis and a prescription for meds you don't need.

The little bit I know about england's healthcare system seems to work quite well. There are probably lots of issues I know nothing about, though.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 06:05 PM
Getting your hemoglobin level up has nothing to do with fixing what's bleeding.

No, it doesn't, but either would a blood transfusion.

Until we find the source, nothing will really work long term.

Iron pills are safer then a transfusion, so I'm on iron pills. If the iron pills don't work, it's step two. A transfusion is last on the list.

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 06:08 PM
No, it doesn't, but either would a blood transfusion.

Until we find the source, nothing will really work long term.

Iron pills are safer then a transfusion, so I'm on iron pills. If the iron pills don't work, it's step two. A transfusion is last on the list.
Why is a transfusion last on the list? Why isn't it safe? I had one in Sept. -- 3 units of blood. It's just a matter of matching blood types. And I got that after they found out why I was bleeding and started meds to heal it. Once I got home, I started taking iron once a day until my hemoglobin level was back to normal.

It sounds like they have the cart before the horse.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 06:08 PM
This is insane what a system. :rolleyes:

It is and it isn't Stringer.

I can see both sides. I have a lot of friends in the US, if they didn't have health insurance, they wouldn't be able to afford to stay healthy.

It may take a while to see a specialist here, but it's not going to cost me my house, even if it is cancer.

Once I have a diagnosis, no time is wasted. If it is cancer I'll get treatment that same day and that will continue. Chemo, radiation, hospital stays, medication, specialists, all on the governments dime, unless I want a phone or a TV in my hospital room, then it will cost me $5 a day.

No system is perfect. I have to work with what I have because of where I live, as does my doctor. :)

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 06:09 PM
No, it doesn't, but either would a blood transfusion.

Until we find the source, nothing will really work long term.

Iron pills are safer then a transfusion, so I'm on iron pills. If the iron pills don't work, it's step two. A transfusion is last on the list.

If they screw all this up hon I am really going to beat some a$$! This is starting to pi$$ me off.

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 06:10 PM
It is and it isn't Stringer.

I can see both sides. I have a lot of friends in the US, if they didn't have health insurance, they wouldn't be able to afford to stay healthy.

It may take a while to see a specialist here, but it's not going to cost me my house, even if it is cancer.

Once I have a diagnosis, no time is wasted. If it is cancer I'll get treatment that same day and that will continue. Chemo, radiation, hospital stays, medication, specialists, all on the governments dime, unless I want a phone or a TV in my hospital room, then it will cost me $5 a day.

No system is perfect. I have to work with what I have because of where I live, as does my doctor. :)

Just do what you can and get better... promise?

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 06:12 PM
If they screw all this up hon I am really going to beat some a$$! This is starting to pi$$ me off.
Yup. I'm ready to start a "Fly Alty to Mayo Clinic" fund.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 06:13 PM
Why is a transfusion last on the list? I had one in Sept. -- 3 units of blood. It's just a matter of matching blood types. And I got that after they found out why I was bleeding and started meds to heal it. Once I got home, I started taking iron once a day until my hemoglobin level was back to normal.

It sounds like they have the cart before the horse.

WG, this isn't from my doctor, but here is some info on blood transfusion and anemia. It can explain the risks better then I can. :)


Doctors attempt to avoid blood transfusion in general, since multiple lines of evidence point to increased adverse patient clinical outcomes with more intensive transfusion strategies. The physiological principle that reduction of oxygen delivery associated with anemia leads to adverse clinical outcomes is balanced by the finding that transfusion does not necessarily mitigate these adverse clinical outcomes.

Transfusion of the stable but anemic hospitalized patient has been the subject of numerous clinical trials, and transfusion is emerging as a deleterious intervention.

Four randomized controlled clinical trials have been conducted to evaluate aggressive versus conservative transfusion strategies in critically ill patients. All four of these studies failed to find a benefit with more aggressive transfusion strategies.[

In addition, at least two retrospective studies have shown increases in adverse clinical outcomes with more aggressive transfusion strategies.

I talked to Sneezy about this, he also explained why blood transfusions shouldn't be the first resort. He's glad that my doctor is going about this the way he is.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 06:14 PM
If they screw all this up hon I am really going to beat some a$$! This is starting to pi$$ me off.

Stringer, I'm being cared for, really I am.

My doctor is doing what he can, all he can. If push comes to shove and I get worse, he'll knock down the specialists doors himself, that I know for a fact.

Trust me, I'm getting good care, I really am.

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 06:17 PM
WG, this isn't from my doctor, but here is some info on blood transfusion and anemia. It can explain the risks better then I can. :)
I must have been one sick puppy to be anemic and then to get a transfusion after my endogastroduodenoscopy and colonoscopy.

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 06:17 PM
Stringer, I'm being cared for, really I am.

My doctor is doing what he can, all he can. If push comes to shove and I get worse, he'll knock down the specialists doors himself, that I know for a fact.

Trust me, I'm getting good care, I really am.

I'm just saying...

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 06:23 PM
If push comes to shove and I get worse, he'll knock down the specialists doors himself, that I know for a fact.

Like what -- unconscious? Dead?

88sunflower
Mar 22, 2010, 06:25 PM
I see everyone is riding you Alty to do this and that. But know they and the rest of us care. Your valued here on and off this board with the friends you have made. Like the rest I feel you should push for more. But I guess your hands are tied and you do the best you can do with what's handed to you. Just thinking if you and wishing you well tonight. Worried. Bleeding the way you are isn't good. I feel there should be more done.

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 06:27 PM
It is and it isn't Stringer.

I can see both sides. I have a lot of friends in the US, if they didn't have health insurance, they wouldn't be able to afford to stay healthy.

It may take a while to see a specialist here, but it's not going to cost me my house, even if it is cancer.

Once I have a diagnosis, no time is wasted. If it is cancer I'll get treatment that same day and that will continue. Chemo, radiation, hospital stays, medication, specialists, all on the governments dime, unless I want a phone or a TV in my hospital room, then it will cost me $5 a day.

No system is perfect. I have to work with what I have because of where I live, as does my doctor. :)

I can't afford to NOT be healthy. I honestly think that's a huge part of why I just don't get sick.

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 06:29 PM
i can't afford to NOT be healthy. i honestly think that's a huge part of why i just don't get sick.

I know that you don't mean it this way however some aren't quite so lucky hon.

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 06:36 PM
I know that you don't mean it this way however some aren't quite so lucky hon.

Oh, I know. And I'm thankful I don't get sick. The only problem is, when I do get sick, I usually just ignore it. I'd never notice something was seriously wrong until it was SERIOUSLY wrong.

If I ended up with alty's symptoms, I'm not sure I'd go to the hospital until I had no other option. Even then, I'm not sure they'd do anything unless I was unconscious or comatose.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 06:38 PM
I see everyone is riding you Alty to do this and that. But know they and the rest of us care. Your valued here on and off this board with the friends you have made. Like the rest I feel you should push for more. But I guess your hands are tied and you do the best you can do with whats handed to you. Just thinking if you and wishing you well tonight. Worried. Bleeding the way you are isnt good. I feel there should be more done.

I understand everyone's concern and I share that concern. It's hard to describe the health care system here, at least without making it look bad. I appreciate the concern and I thank you all for caring so much about me. :)

Most of you, my friends in the states, have some health insurance, am I right? In other words, you can afford health care. I'm guessing that not everyone can.

Here, everyone has health care. Everyone can go to the doctor or the hospital and get treatment. It doesn't cost a dime.

There are pros and cons. Yes, I have to wait to see a specialist. Yes, I have to wait for a diagnosis, but, I will get one. They won't stop until they find out what's wrong and then I will get treated asap.

I can't push for more. It's not possible. My doctor also can't push for more. All he can do is stress to the specialists that he thinks I should be first in line. Sadly, those that are willing and able to pay for their tests are ahead, no matter what. It's not my doctors fault, it's the greed of the specialists. Have money, you're first, otherwise, you wait, like all the others that can't afford thousands of dollars to bud into line. My doctor isn't part of the system we have, he gets paid by the government for the patients he sees. He's not a specialist.

That's the fault with a two tier system. It's what I'm working with here, what my doctor is working with.

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 06:40 PM
oh, i know. and I'm thankful i don't get sick. the only problem is, when i do get sick, i usually just ignore it. I'd never notice something was seriously wrong until it was SERIOUSLY wrong.

if i ended up with alty's symptoms, I'm not sure I'd go to the hospital until i had no other option. even then, I'm not sure they'd do anything unless i was unconscious or comatose.

You are still young (enjoy that... K cause it will change someday) and vibrant and you can fight off things a bit easier. But you should never wait when something may be wrong.

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 06:43 PM
it's also possible that your doctor was unaware of the studies
I don't know for sure until I ask him, but I'm guessing he was very aware of "the studies." I'd like to know what journal that was in and be able to read the entire article.

I do know that I could barely walk from the bathroom to the kitchen table (8 feet) and was totally exhausted when I got there. It took at least 5 minutes for my breathing to slow down and to have enough strength to raise my head off my folded arms. Maybe it's the age difference. I have 20 years on Alty.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 06:43 PM
I must have been one sick puppy to be anemic and then to get a transfusion after my endogastroduodenoscopy and colonoscopy.

Doctors views differ. There have been studies that a blood transfusion for anemia should always be a last resort, but a lot of doctors don't agree, despite the evidence.

Also, if you were passing out, fainting, then that's likely why they resorted to the transfusion. It's not taboo, it's not something that should never be done, it's just a last resort because there are risks.

Most likely you were anemic for a very long time, to the point that you did let it go too long and the last resort was the only resort.

Also, if you did have testing before the transfusion, they likely ruled out any long term abnormalities. In other words, they weren't just plugging the leaky hole, they were fixing it with a transfusion. I don't have a diagnosis yet, they don't know what's causing the bleeding, so a transfusion would just be a bandaid at this point.

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 06:43 PM
I understand everyones concern and I share that concern. It's hard to describe the health care system here, at least without making it look bad. I appreciate the concern and I thank you all for caring so much about me. :)

Most of you, my friends in the states, have some health insurance, am I right? In other words, you can afford health care. I'm guessing that not everyone can.

Here, everyone has health care. Everyone can go to the doctor or the hospital and get treatment. It doesn't cost a dime.

There are pros and cons. Yes, I have to wait to see a specialist. Yes, I have to wait for a diagnosis, but, I will get one. They won't stop until they find out what's wrong and then I will get treated asap.

I can't push for more. It's not possible. My doctor also can't push for more. All he can do is stress to the specialists that he thinks I should be first in line. Sadly, those that are willing and able to pay for their tests are ahead, no matter what. It's not my doctors fault, it's the greed of the specialists. Have money, you're first, otherwise, you wait, like all the others that can't afford thousands of dollars to bud into line. My doctor isn't part of the system we have, he gets paid by the government for the patients he sees. He's not a specialist.

That's the fault with a two tier system. It's what I'm working with here, what my doctor is working with.

Both sides have horror stories and sadly I fear ours just got worse.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 06:45 PM
I don't know for sure until I ask him, but I'm guessing he was very aware of "the studies." I'd like to know what journal that was in and be able to read the entire article.

I do know that I could barely walk from the bathroom to the kitchen table (5 feet) and was totally exhausted when I got there. It took at least 5 minutes for my breathing to slow down and to have enough strength to raise my head off my folded arms. Maybe it's the age difference. I have 20 years on Alty.

The info that I posted is from Wickepedia, just Google anemia.

I did find further studies but I'd have to search for them again so I could post the links.

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 06:54 PM
Also, if you did have testing before the transfusion, they likely ruled out any long term abnormalities. In other words, they weren't just plugging the leaky hole, they were fixing it with a transfusion. I don't have a diagnosis yet, they don't know what's causing the bleeding, so a transfusion would just be a bandaid at this point.
I had "only" bleeding ulcers. The transfusion didn't plug any leaky hole. The ulcers weren't fixed with the transfusion. It's purpose was to jump-start my hemoglobin level back to normal AFTER the tests which got me a diagnosis and treatment.

Yes, a transfusion, as well as iron tablets, are just a band-aid at this point.

Does the doctor know how much you are bleeding (and for how long) and that it's bright red?

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 07:01 PM
I had "only" bleeding ulcers. The transfusion didn't plug any leaky hole. The ulcers weren't fixed with the transfusion. It's purpose was to jump-start my hemoglobin level back to normal AFTER the tests which got me a diagnosis and treatment.

Yes, a transfusion, as well as iron tablets, are just a band-aid at this point.

Does the doctor know how much you are bleeding (and for how long) and that it's bright red?

I guess it just goes to show that no two treatments are the same, even with similar symptoms. Just like no two doctors treat things the same way or believe in the same studies. I think that's the major problem, too many studies, a lot of them conflicting. It just depends what your doctor believes in, which study he thinks is accurate.

A blood transfusion is still a possibility, a huge possibility, either because of a diagnosis that requires a transfusion or the iron pills not doing their job.

My doctor knows everything that's going on, which is why he's scheduling appointments with the specialists. He's doing what he can do, all that he can do.

I'm being monitored by him to the point that it's getting annoying. I also have to giggle when I go in for blood work. I'm anemic, yet they take 7 vials of blood to run their tests. Hello! I need that blood! ;)

I am getting the best care available where I live, I promise you that. I trust my doctor with my life, I can't stress that enough. I am not taking this lightly, I am not just hoping for the best, I am doing all I can to get better, as is my doctor.

Really, I'm in good hands, I just wish you all knew that. :)

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 07:03 PM
Both sides have horor stories and sadly I fear ours just got worse.

They do. Actually, it's not just our two sides, I'm sure every country has problems with their health care systems. There is no perfect health care.

You deal with the hand you're dealt, do the best you can within the system. That's all you can do. That's what I'm doing, what my doctor is doing. :)

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 07:24 PM
They do. Actually, it's not just our two sides, I'm sure every country has problems with their health care systems. There is no perfect health care.

You deal with the hand you're dealt, do the best you can within the system. That's all you can do. That's what I'm doing, what my doctor is doing. :)

Just continue to stay in daily contact with him Alty and do what he says to do (Period)

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 07:28 PM
Just continue to stay in daily contact with him Alty and do what he says to do (Period)

unless, of course, he tells you to stand on your head and sing the national anthem ^_~

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 07:30 PM
unless, of course, he tells you to stand on your head and sing the national anthem ^_~

It might be a new cure... I would certainly listen and do it, but in private.

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 07:36 PM
He's glad that my doctor is going about this the way he is.
The studies don't matter. Even I know a transfusion is not what you need at this point. You need a colonoscopy and a diagnosis.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 07:38 PM
I can't stand on my head. I've tried.

I was kicked out of gymnastics class when I was 12 because I can't stand on my head. That and the fact that I wore my very long hair in a pony tail, tied together with those bobble elastics, you know two balls connected to elastics, you put one ball over the other to hold it in place.

Anyway, I tried to do the head stand, the balls on the elastic hair thingy poked my head then my hair (past my butt at that time) got tangled around the balls attached to the elastic and got stuck.

I ended up kicked out of gymnastics and getting a hair cut. My hair was that tangled around those stupid balls.

I hate balls! Wait... um... I meant... you know what, never mined, it's WT anyway. ;)

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 07:41 PM
I can't stand on my head. I've tried.

I was kicked out of gymnastics class when I was 12 because I can't stand on my head. That and the fact that I wore my very long hair in a pony tail, tied together with those bobble elastics, you know two balls connected to elastics, you put one ball over the other to hold it in place.

Anyway, I tried to do the head stand, the balls on the elastic hair thingy poked my head then my hair (past my butt at that time) got tangled around the balls attached to the elastic and got stuck.

I ended up kicked out of gymnastics and getting a hair cut. My hair was that tangled around those stupid balls.

I hate balls! Wait...um... I meant....you know what, never mined, it's WT anyway. ;)

:):):rolleyes:

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 07:41 PM
I'm right there with you hon!
I should have called you -- Elmhurst Hospital, Three South.

LOL! Do they have popcorn and coffee there?
I'm no longer able to have either. I'm guessing they will be off your food list too.

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 07:46 PM
I should have called you -- Elmhurst Hospital, Three South.

I'm no longer able to have either. I'm guessing they will be off your food list too.

We do some of their off site facilities... (client)

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 07:47 PM
I can't stand on my head. I've tried.

I was kicked out of gymnastics class when I was 12 because I can't stand on my head. That and the fact that I wore my very long hair in a pony tail, tied together with those bobble elastics, you know two balls connected to elastics, you put one ball over the other to hold it in place.

Anyway, I tried to do the head stand, the balls on the elastic hair thingy poked my head then my hair (past my butt at that time) got tangled around the balls attached to the elastic and got stuck.

I ended up kicked out of gymnastics and getting a hair cut. My hair was that tangled around those stupid balls.

I hate balls! Wait...um... I meant....you know what, never mined, it's WT anyway. ;)

My mom refused to buy those hairties because she couldn't figure out how to use them. She did, however, like to put those stupid plastic clips in my hair. You know, the ones with the animal shapes that came in crayon colors. And matching plastic earrings. And my hair was ALWAYS in pig tails, because my mom didn't know how to do anything else and my hair got too tangled if it was down.

When I was 7 I got a boy cut just so I wouldn't have to wear those stupid pigtails anymore.

Alty
Mar 22, 2010, 07:47 PM
I'm no longer able to have either. I'm guessing they will be off your food list too.

Forever! :eek:

Okay, what's the point of getting better if there's no popcorn or coffee in my future? :confused:

I'm only kidding.

Just so you guys can see, this was my hair when I was younger. I'm around 11/12 in this picture.

29920

I'm in the middle. The epitome of health. ;)

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 07:49 PM
Forever! :eek:

Okay, what's the point of getting better if there's no popcorn or coffee in my future? :confused:

I'm only kidding.

Just so you guys can see, this was my hair when I was younger. I'm around 11/12 in this picture.

29920

I'm in the middle. The epitome of health. ;)

Whew... I was afraid you were blond... only because of the way 'she' is standing... :):):) Kidding, kidding, kidding...

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 07:50 PM
Forever! :eek:

Okay, what's the point of getting better if there's no popcorn or coffee in my future? :confused:

I'm only kidding.

Just so you guys can see, this was my hair when I was younger. I'm around 11/12 in this picture.

29920

I'm in the middle. The epitome of health. ;)

I'm guessing that would be your irritated little sister and irritating little brother?

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 08:33 PM
The part that was left out of the Wiki posting:
In severe, acute bleeding, transfusions of donated blood are often lifesaving....

I wasn't stable:
Transfusion of the stable but anemic hospitalized patient has been the subject of numerous clinical trials, and transfusion is emerging as a deleterious intervention.

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 08:38 PM
The part that was left out of the Wiki posting:
In severe, acute bleeding, transfusions of donated blood are often lifesaving....

I wasn't stable:
Transfusion of the stable but anemic hospitalized patient has been the subject of numerous clinical trials, and transfusion is emerging as a deleterious intervention.

But alty is stable, so she doesn't NEED a transfusion right now.

Wondergirl
Mar 22, 2010, 08:40 PM
but alty is stable, so she doesn't NEED a transfusion right now.
She is? I don't think so.

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 08:43 PM
If she wasn't stable, I don't think her doctor would let her be at home. He'd have her in the hospital under observation.

Stringer
Mar 22, 2010, 08:44 PM
I think that we may need to cool it for a while. We all care what happens to Alty, but I don't know what else we can say that won't stress her more. :)

hheath541
Mar 22, 2010, 08:50 PM
How 'bout this?

YouTube - I've got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR_3c5rejrE)

Aurora_Bell
Mar 23, 2010, 04:41 AM
Alty you were such a cute kid! I'd love for that tan and some of your hair please! PLease?

Alty
Mar 23, 2010, 07:28 AM
I'm guessing that would be your irritated little sister and irritating little brother?

Nope, I'm an only child.

The little girl in the polka dot bathing suit was visiting from Germany. The boy is my second cousin. :)

Alty
Mar 23, 2010, 07:31 AM
Great news!

I just got a call from the hospital. I'm booked for my colonoscopy for this Friday! :)

Bad news, I can't be on the iron pills for this procedure, it can interfere with the results, so as of today I have to stop taking the iron. This may not be good.

Best news. The nurse that called mentioned needing a ride home afterwards because I'll be sedated! YES! Pretty please! Knock me out! :)

Catsmine
Mar 23, 2010, 07:33 AM
Great news!

I just got a call from the hospital. I'm booked for my colonoscopy for this Friday! :)

Bad news, I can't be on the iron pills for this procedure, it can interfere with the results, so as of today I have to stop taking the iron. This may not be good.

Best news. The nurse that called mentioned needing a ride home afterwards because I'll be sedated! YES! Pretty please! Knock me out! :)

Yaaaaaaaaaay!! Now we can find out what's up with our baby Alty.

Alty
Mar 23, 2010, 07:35 AM
Yaaaaaaaaaay!!! Now we can find out what's up with our baby Alty.

:o Baby Alty? :o Gosh. :o

Now we can find out what's up baby Alty's arse. :eek: :p

Unknown008
Mar 23, 2010, 07:37 AM
At last things are getting a little faster. I'll be patiently waiting for the results of the colonoscopy.

You may perhaps not take iron pills anymore, but continue your diet with iron. I don't think that it would interfere with the colonoscopy and will do you good. Perhaps J or your doctor can confirm this?

Unknown008
Mar 23, 2010, 07:59 AM
Wow, all those greenies in a post! I rarely had that much, lol. Thanks everyone!

And I don't know about the doctor thing... My mom don't quite want me to have the hectic life of a doctor to always be ready 24/7... I don't quite know myself what to become... there are so many options, and even more I don't know of...

Alty
Mar 23, 2010, 08:02 AM
Wow, all those greenies in a post! I rarely had that much, lol. Thanks everyone!

And I don't know about the doctor thing... My mom don't quite want me to have the hectic life of a doctor to always be ready 24/7... I don't quite know myself what to become... there are so many options, and even more I don't know of...

Unky, the world is yours if you want it. You are a very smart person, a good person, you're the whole package.

Whatever it is you decide to do, you'll excel.

I know I don't only speak for myself when I say that we're all so very proud of you. We've sort of watched you grow up on this site and I think we all see you as our kid. I know I do. :)

Catsmine
Mar 23, 2010, 08:05 AM
Unky, the world is yours if you want it. You are a very smart person, a good person, you're the whole package.

Whatever it is you decide to do, you'll excel.

I know I don't only speak for myself when I say that we're all so very proud of you. We've sort of watched you grow up on this site and I think we all see you as our kid. I know I do. :)

I'm always proud to say the smartest kid on the planet asked me to be his friend.

Unknown008
Mar 23, 2010, 08:06 AM
Unky, the world is yours if you want it. You are a very smart person, a good person, you're the whole package.

Whatever it is you decide to do, you'll excel.

I know I don't only speak for myself when I say that we're all so very proud of you. We've sort of watched you grow up on this site and I think we all see you as our kid. I know I do. :)

:o You're living up to your reputation of making people blush... :o

It's strange how today started like hell for me compared to the other days... then everything seems to be getting way better than any day... :rolleyes:

Alty
Mar 23, 2010, 08:10 AM
Well now that I've made Unky blush my work here is done. ;)

I've got to go lay down for a bit, I didn't sleep very well last night and I'm exhausted.

I'll be back a bit later everyone.

Unky, you're in charge. ;)

Stringer
Mar 23, 2010, 08:12 AM
Wow, all those greenies in a post! I rarely had that much, lol. Thanks everyone!

And I don't know about the doctor thing... My mom don't quite want me to have the hectic life of a doctor to always be ready 24/7... I don't quite know myself what to become... there are so many options, and even more I don't know of...

We are proud of you buddy I think that is obvious. You're kind of our 'child' and we just puff out our chests when we hear of your accomplishments.

Cat1864
Mar 23, 2010, 08:13 AM
Well now that I've made Unky blush my work here is done. ;)

I've got to go lay down for a bit, I didn't sleep very well last night and I'm exhausted.

I'll be back a bit later everyone.

Unky, you're in charge. ;)

Unky is one of the few teenagers I don't mind the thought of being 'in charge'. :)

Rest well, Alty.

Unknown008
Mar 23, 2010, 08:43 AM
Well, I might not be 'in charge' for a long time... homework calls... in 15 min.

KISS
Mar 23, 2010, 09:51 AM
Yep, rest well. After all you have that colonosopy prep to look forward too.

I'm sure we'll get a humourous account.

Sweat dreams.

hheath541
Mar 23, 2010, 09:54 AM
Unky, the world is yours if you want it. You are a very smart person, a good person, you're the whole package.

Whatever it is you decide to do, you'll excel.

I know I don't only speak for myself when I say that we're all so very proud of you. We've sort of watched you grow up on this site and I think we all see you as our kid. I know I do. :)

I'm not old enough to have a 17 year old kid, but I'll gladly trade in my little brother ^_^

albear
Mar 23, 2010, 10:48 AM
Fingers crossed for you alty, best of luck on Friday :)

KBC
Mar 23, 2010, 07:01 PM
Wakey, wakey,, :D

Those prank calls are about to start... lol

Alty
Mar 23, 2010, 07:06 PM
Wakey,,wakey,,,:D

Those prank calls are about to start....lol

LMAO! That was you? ;)

KBC
Mar 23, 2010, 07:09 PM
LMAO! That was you?! ;)

Yeah, just before I got my scrip for the sinusitis... now my nose is BURNING!:mad:

And the ringing in my ears,, WWEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS:eek:

Clough
Mar 23, 2010, 09:57 PM
Great news!

I just got a call from the hospital. I'm booked for my colonoscopy for this Friday! :)

Bad news, I can't be on the iron pills for this procedure, it can interfere with the results, so as of today I have to stop taking the iron. This may not be good.

Best news. The nurse that called mentioned needing a ride home afterwards because I'll be sedated! YES! Pretty please! Knock me out! :)

I want the details, ALL of the details, Alty! :D

Stringer
Mar 23, 2010, 10:06 PM
Clough agrees: That was a really nice thing for you to write Stringer!

Thanks buddy, it's true he's a good guy too.

Clough
Mar 23, 2010, 10:37 PM
Clough agrees: That was a really nice thing for you to write Stringer!


Thanks buddy, it's true he's a good guy too.

Yes, he is! And, also a boon to the site as well! :)

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2010, 10:52 PM
I want the details, ALL of the details, Alty!! :D
Um, no you don't. Trust me on this.

Clough
Mar 23, 2010, 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by Clough
I want the details, ALL of the details, Alty!


Um, no you don't. Trust me on this.

Um, why not? The more details that I have will prepare me for when I have to have it done!

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2010, 10:59 PM
Um, why not? The more details that I have will prepare me for when I have to have it done!
Google it. That will tell you quite enough. Wikipedia probably has an article about it.

KBC
Mar 23, 2010, 11:05 PM
Callus interuptus:(

Clough
Mar 23, 2010, 11:32 PM
Callus interuptus:(

? :confused:

Clough
Mar 23, 2010, 11:34 PM
Originally Posted by Clough
Um, why not? The more details that I have will prepare me for when I have to have it done!


Google it. That will tell you quite enough. Wikipedia probably has an article about it.

Yeah, I know...

But, first hand knowledge and descriptions would be best!

Alty
Mar 23, 2010, 11:36 PM
Um, why not? The more details that I have will prepare me for when I have to have it done!

I'll PM you about it Clough. I don't think I want to post all the details here. I think I've already given everyone way TMI! ;)

Alty
Mar 23, 2010, 11:36 PM
Callus interuptus:(

Batterius deadus. ;)

Alty
Mar 23, 2010, 11:37 PM
?? :confused:

Ken and I were chatting. My phone died a slow painful death.

Clough
Mar 23, 2010, 11:50 PM
Originally Posted by Clough
Um, why not? The more details that I have will prepare me for when I have to have it done!


I'll PM you about it Clough. I don't think I want to post all the details here. I think I've already given everyone way TMI! ;)

Ok. Are you nervous and apprehesive about having the test?

Alty
Mar 23, 2010, 11:57 PM
Ok. Are you nervous and apprehesive about having the test?

I was Clough, but once the nurse mentioned sedation, I'm actually really relaxed about it. :)

I've been told it's not at all bad. Actually, the worst part is supposed to be the liquid you have do drink the day before. It's meant to clean you out. I have a feeling I won't like that much, but it's necessary.

I also have to stop my iron pills and stay away from certain foods as they could "scratch the camera lens" and "don't pass easily" :eek:

Other then that, I'm actually looking forward to it. Not the procedure, but the possible answers I'll get. :)

Clough
Mar 24, 2010, 12:23 AM
I was Clough, but once the nurse mentioned sedation, I'm actually really relaxed about it. :)

I've been told it's not at all bad. Actually, the worst part is supposed to be the liquid you have do drink the day before. It's meant to clean you out. I have a feeling I won't like that much, but it's necessary.

I also have to stop my iron pills and stay away from certain foods as they could "scratch the camera lens" and "don't pass easily" :eek:

Other then that, I'm actually looking forward to it. Not the procedure, but the possible answers I'll get. :)

To my knowledge and experience, it's gallons of liquids. Is drinking gallons of liquids something that you been told to do?

Alty
Mar 24, 2010, 12:26 AM
To my knowledge and experience, it's gallons of liquids. Is drinking gallons of liquids something that you been told to do?

I was told that it's 4 litres (don't know the conversion) and pills.

I'll let you know when I pick up the prescription. :)

I'll post the name and everything. :)

Have to go to bed now. Tired Alty.

Night Clough.

J_9
Mar 24, 2010, 12:30 AM
Yeah, I know...

But, first hand knowledge and descriptions would be best!

I don't think it's something many women are comfortable talking to men about Clough.

Clough
Mar 24, 2010, 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by Clough
To my knowledge and experience, it's gallons of liquids. Is drinking gallons of liquids something that you been told to do?


I was told that it's 4 litres (don't know the conversion) and pills.

I'll let you know when I pick up the prescription. :)

I'll post the name and everything. :)

Have to go to bed now. Tired Alty.

Night Clough.

Okay, I wish and hope for you a good night's sleep and rest! Maybe things have changed since I knew of people who've gone through the procedure...

Thanks!

KBC
Mar 24, 2010, 06:16 AM
Clough agrees: I'll take the bed next to you! We'd probably be good roommates!

As long as the unit has openings, after I posted this the beds were fillin' up like a day spa... :D

JoeCanada76
Mar 24, 2010, 06:49 AM
It is really good news Alty...

Keep us all posted... I know it will take a while to get the results.

Wondergirl
Mar 24, 2010, 09:55 AM
Maybe things have changed since I knew of people who've gone through the procedure...
I went through the procedure last fall. The previous day up until I started the clean-out, I had been restricted to a liquid diet (and no iron pills, like Alty said). The evening before the procedure, over a three-to-four hour period while watching Wednesday night TV and catching up on my reading, I drank a gallon (4 liters = sixteen 8-oz. glasses) of Golytely (GO lightly ha ha ha ha). I tried it on the rocks, but, for me, it went down easier at room temperature. This particular solution (and there are others that can be prescribed) is clear and tastes like ten-year old Gatorade -- not bad, sort of boring. I could drink an 8-oz. glass at a time with no problem. It was not unpleasant, although I did feel bloated for a while with all that liquid in me.

The liquid began its work within the first hour, and finished its work after about five hours. I stayed close to the bathroom. I had started drinking around 5:30 so I was able to go to bed at a reasonable time and slept well with no after-effects.

I didn't have the colonoscopy until noon the next day, so was hungry, but not starved. My husband drove me to hospital admitting, I signed papers, was taken to the out-patient section and a room where I changed into a hospital gown and stowed my street clothes in a locker, climbed up onto a cart, an IV port (or whatever you call it) was established in my right arm, a solution (glucose? J_9 would know) began dripping into my arm, and I was wheeled into a small operating room where I was turned onto my left side and given anesthesia.

When I awoke maybe 20-25 minutes later (I also had an esophagogastroduodenoscopy to check the upper part of my digestive system), I could see a monitor showing a tiny luge (camera) streaking down through a pink tube. The show ended, and I was wheeled to my "room" for recovery and helped into a recliner. I read or watched TV or chatted with the medical staff who checked in on me periodically. I recovered quite quickly from the anesthesia (no prolonged grogginess) and was given apple juice and crackers. When my nurse was satisfied I could sit upright and walk without dizziness, I was allowed to dress, signed discharge papers, was wheeled out to the front door of the hospital, and my husband (my designated driver) drove us home.

I had been warned by friends who had been through this NOT to gorge on a big meal (I was very hungry), but to graze on nutritious, easy-to-eat foods like chicken noodle soup, scrambled eggs, crackers, toast, etc. for the rest of the day and even the next day -- in other words, gradually get back into normal eating patterns.

It was not a bad experience, and I found out what was wrong (two bleeding ulcers near my stomach).

Clough, if you have further questions, ask.

earl237
Mar 24, 2010, 02:41 PM
I've heard that aspirin, garlic and vitamin D can help prevent the disease. A diet high in fibre, fruits and vegetables and low in red meat can also help.

NeedKarma
Mar 24, 2010, 02:47 PM
I've heard that aspirin, garlic and vitamin D can help prevent the disease. A diet high in fibre, fruits and vegetables and low in red meat can also help.
Unless you are genetically predisposed.

Wondergirl
Mar 24, 2010, 02:56 PM
Unless you are genetically predisposed.
... and have been eating the correct foods and taking vitamins for more than five minutes.

J_9
Mar 24, 2010, 03:09 PM
I've heard that aspirin, garlic and vitamin D can help prevent the disease. A diet high in fibre, fruits and vegetables and low in red meat can also help.

Aspirin is not a good choice for Alty since she is already bleeding freely.

Wondergirl
Mar 24, 2010, 03:15 PM
Aspirin is not a good choice for Alty since she is already bleeding freely.
Yup. That's one of the reasons I got into trouble with ulcers.

KISS
Mar 24, 2010, 08:44 PM
My heart is with you, especially over the next few days. You'll be tired, for sure.

Make sure all your furry friends and loved ones see you off to the hospital or wherever the procedure is being done.

KBC
Mar 26, 2010, 05:56 AM
Hope all goes well today Alty!

Here's thinking 'bout cha.

;)


Hehe

J_9
Mar 26, 2010, 06:02 AM
Thoughts are with you today Alty.

Love you

Xoxoxo

albear
Mar 26, 2010, 06:30 AM
Best of luck today Alty :)

Aurora_Bell
Mar 26, 2010, 06:45 AM
Thinking about you Alty! All the best!

Synnen
Mar 26, 2010, 07:20 AM
Alty--you LISTEN to what the doctor says, you hear? And actually DO it, dammit!

Good luck today--thoughts and prayers are with you.

slapshot_oi
Mar 26, 2010, 07:42 AM
I've heard that aspirin, garlic and vitamin D can help prevent the disease. A diet high in fibre, fruits and vegetables and low in red meat can also help.
You are correct sir. High levels of vitamin D is indication of a good chunk of time spent in sunlight, and when it's sunny people are happy, and when you're happy you're more likely to stay healthy. Makes sense to me.

I watched a video on TED.com on "blue zones", concentrated areas where people live healthy, long and active lives; the common factor between all the blue zones? Each one had a diet low in meat and high in fruits and vegetables.

How to Live to be 100+ (http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_buettner_how_to_live_to_be_100.html)

Good luck Alty.

KBC
Mar 26, 2010, 04:23 PM
OK,now it's beginning to worry me:(

J_9
Mar 26, 2010, 04:31 PM
OK,now it's beginning to worry me:(

She's probably still "out of the loop." I slept for the entire day after my colonoscopy.

KBC
Mar 26, 2010, 04:35 PM
She's probably still "out of the loop." I slept for the entire day after my colonoscopy.

I like to feel the feelings when I wake, I know,I'm sick that way,, addicts enjoy the after effects, since I can't drink/drug any other way... :rolleyes:

Alty
Mar 26, 2010, 09:10 PM
Hi everyone.

I didn't read back, I'm still a bit out of it. We got home at around 4pm (my colonoscopy was at 11:30). I crawled right to bed and stayed there until just now. Still shaky and really groggy, but I had to come on to tell you all the news.

I'm okay! :)

I have internal hemorrhoids and IBS. Apparently the hemorrhoids are in the lower intestine (I think that's what he said. I was a bit out of it and that's what R told me he said).

So, I'm on new medication. Pills I take 3 times a day (before each meal) which should help with the IBS and a wonderful suppository that should shrink the hemorrhoids. If that doesn't work, surgery in a few months.

So, I am now on Synthroid, Celexa, iron pills, IBS pills and a poop shoot pill. Some have to be taken on an empty stomach, others have to be taken right before food. This schedule is going to be interesting. ;)

The good news is that I'm okay. I plan to celebrate that tomorrow, when I'm a bit more awake.

Thank you all for being there to hold my hand. I really appreciate it, more then you'll ever know. :)

Aurora_Bell
Mar 26, 2010, 09:12 PM
So is beer out?
LOl
Glad you are OK (?? )

Stringer
Mar 26, 2010, 09:12 PM
Hi everyone.

I didn't read back, I'm still a bit out of it. We got home at around 4pm (my colonoscopy was at 11:30). I crawled right to bed and stayed there until just now. Still shaky and really groggy, but I had to come on to tell you all the news.

I'm okay! :)

I have internal hemorrhoids and IBS. Apparently the hemorrhoids are in the lower intestine (I think that's what he said. I was a bit out of it and that's what R told me he said).

So, I'm on new medication. Pills I take 3 times a day (before each meal) which should help with the IBS and a wonderful suppository that should shrink the hemorrhoids. If that doesn't work, surgery in a few months.

So, I am now on Synthroid, Celexa, iron pills, IBS pills and a poop shoot pill. Some have to be taken on an empty stomach, others have to be taken right before food. This schedule is going to be interesting. ;)

The good news is that I'm okay. I plan to celebrate that tomorrow, when I'm a bit more awake.

Thank you all for being there to hold my hand. I really appreciate it, more then you'll ever know. :)

Hon, that is the best news I have had in a long, long time... I am so glad. You can deal with the hemorrhoids een if an operation is necessary... Thanks for the great news!

KISS
Mar 26, 2010, 09:14 PM
Yippee!

Alty
Mar 26, 2010, 09:16 PM
Stringer, I'm giddy. As giddy as I can be considering I'm still groggy. It is great news.

This can be dealt with, it will be dealt with. The IBS will likely bother me the rest of my life but apparently I've been living with it most of my life anyway, so I can deal with that, and now I have pills to help.

The doctor said that the hemorrhoids are most likely because of the IBS and of course two pregnancies. My mother had a few surgeries because of hemorrhoids, that diagnosis just never crossed my mind.

I'll be seeing my regular doctor for a full physical on Tuesday. I'm not sure if I'll still be going for the CT scan on April 6, I'll ask my doctor when I see him. Probably not a bad idea to do it, just to make sure there's nothing else that doesn't show up on a colonoscopy.

Bella, no beer until tomorrow. :( Tis okay, I'm too tired anyway.

Aurora_Bell
Mar 26, 2010, 09:18 PM
I am glad to hear that Alty! :) I'll have one for you!

Alty
Mar 26, 2010, 09:21 PM
I am glad to hear that Alty!! :) I'll have one for you!

Make it two and we have a deal. :)

Clough
Mar 26, 2010, 09:22 PM
Hi everyone.

I didn't read back, I'm still a bit out of it. We got home at around 4pm (my colonoscopy was at 11:30). I crawled right to bed and stayed there until just now. Still shaky and really groggy, but I had to come on to tell you all the news.

I'm okay! :)

I have internal hemorrhoids and IBS. Apparently the hemorrhoids are in the lower intestine (I think that's what he said. I was a bit out of it and that's what R told me he said).

So, I'm on new medication. Pills I take 3 times a day (before each meal) which should help with the IBS and a wonderful suppository that should shrink the hemorrhoids. If that doesn't work, surgery in a few months.

So, I am now on Synthroid, Celexa, iron pills, IBS pills and a poop shoot pill. Some have to be taken on an empty stomach, others have to be taken right before food. This schedule is going to be interesting. ;)

The good news is that I'm okay. I plan to celebrate that tomorrow, when I'm a bit more awake.

Thank you all for being there to hold my hand. I really appreciate it, more then you'll ever know. :)

I'm so glad that you're okay! :D

Isn't Synthroid for thyroid? Also, what's IBS, please?

Thanks!

Stringer
Mar 26, 2010, 09:22 PM
Stringer, I'm giddy. As giddy as I can be considering I'm still groggy. It is great news.

This can be dealt with, it will be dealt with. The IBS will likely bother me the rest of my life but apparently I've been living with it most of my life anyway, so I can deal with that, and now I have pills to help.

The doctor said that the hemorrhoids are most likely because of the IBS and of course two pregnancies. My mother had a few surgeries because of hemorrhoids, that diagnosis just never crossed my mind.

I'll be seeing my regular doctor for a full physical on Tuesday. I'm not sure if I'll still be going for the CT scan on April 6, I'll ask my doctor when I see him. Probably not a bad idea to do it, just to make sure there's nothing else that doesn't show up on a colonoscopy.

Bella, no beer until tomorrow. :( Tis okay, I'm too tired anyway.

Mmmmmmmwa......that was a big kiss hon, very happy for you. I don't know why I didn't think aof hemorrhoids either?

Aurora_Bell
Mar 26, 2010, 09:22 PM
Well I'll meet you in the middle and have 3.

jmjoseph
Mar 26, 2010, 09:23 PM
Good for you ! I have prayed for you since the beginning of this thread.

I know that you have had a tremendous load lifted off your heart and mind.

May God continue to keep you healthy and happy.

We love you.

Stringer
Mar 26, 2010, 09:23 PM
I'm so glad that you're okay! :D

Isn't Synthroid for thyroid? Also, what's IBS, please?

Thanks!

Irritable Bile syndrome Clough.

Alty
Mar 26, 2010, 09:25 PM
Irritable Bile syndrome Clough.

Almost. ;)

It's Irritable Bowel syndrome.

Alty
Mar 26, 2010, 09:25 PM
Good for you ! I have prayed for you since the beginning of this thread.

I know that you have had a tremendous load lifted off of your heart and mind.

May God continue to keep you healthy and happy.

We love you.

Thank you JM. I'm sure your prayers worked because I'm going to be okay. :)

Love you right back, all of you. :)

Stringer
Mar 26, 2010, 09:26 PM
Almost. ;)

It's Irritable Bowel syndrome.

Opps. I guess I am lucky that WG isn't here... :):) Just so happy that I didn't spell check sweet.

Wondergirl
Mar 26, 2010, 09:27 PM
Opps. I guess I am lucky that WG isn't here...:):) Just so happy that I didn't spell check sweet.
And why do you think WG isn't here? And watching you.

Alty
Mar 26, 2010, 09:28 PM
I'm so glad that you're okay! :D

Isn't Synthroid for thyroid? Also, what's IBS, please?

Thanks!

I have a thyroid condition Clough, have for many years. I've been on synthroid for 11 years now. Celexa is an antidepressant, I've been on that since 2001. The iron pills are because my hemoglobin is still very low, because of the blood loss, for which we now have a cause.

IBS - Irritable bowel syndrome

Irritable Bowel Syndrome (http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/ibs/)

Aurora_Bell
Mar 26, 2010, 09:29 PM
WG, did you see my question in admin help thread?

Alty
Mar 26, 2010, 09:29 PM
And why do you think WG isn't here? and watching you.

Giggle. You're busted Stringer. She's always watching.

Ah! She's always watching! :eek: