Sexual Assault, Rape, Under Age Sex and Pimping :eek:

Every day a story comes up in the headlines about Underage Sex, Rape
And Pimping
Where is the other side to the story? Is the whole world full of just sick old men, praying on innocent young girls (16-18)

I see these stories in a different way. I know 3 groups of girls who are
Setting up guys and lying about their ages and working in strip clubs
Part-time. When things go bad for them, they go to the police and cry rape
Or abuse or hell even pimping type stuff. (no one puts the true out come in
The headlines when the case is done) when the case comes to court they
Don't show up or the full scope of their past gets side stepped. If you look
You will see a pattern of the same girls going to court and crying rape
About every 10-24 months or so. The guy go's to jail and their back on the
Streets in the same biz, soon to blame some new guys for the life style
They have picked out to stay with.

This has become a game for some young girls. (it has to stop!) The Internet is one great tool for change.
I feel a Black List of these Girls names should be posted on the internet with pictures and video's, to warn the public about them, and keep us safe too.

Jack Ross
Brampton Court House
This a web poll about this subject
http://boards.aetv.com/poll.jspa?pollID=800000371
http://boards.aetv.com/poll.jspa?pollID=800000372
http://boards.aetv.com/poll.jspa?pollID=700000345

Umm don't the police keep a record of complainants. Wouldn't this database be checked when someone makes such a complaint?

Yeah I can see a girl making this work once, but not repeatedly. So making their names public isn't going to do much since the second time they tried they would get caught anyway.

I know one female in particular who cries wolf. She then suddenly becomes pregnant then miscarries at the beginning of her monthly cycle... yeah. It won't do any good to 'black list' these people, so if you want to help make a change? Start campaigning for the true victims.

Sorry this kind of thing is happening repeatedly in a court room daily, it's a gray area for the Police and the Court System, they can only go case by case, when pointed out to them. Victims Names are never published publicly, so know one can pick up newspaper and say I had the same girl do that to me, which is unfair to the right of the guy being charged with a sex crime.

All I can suggest is keeping your nose clean and keeping a good distance from these women. And it is unfair, no arguing that.

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jackross (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/jackross.html) disagrees: the law go's case by case only, only the person lawyer will look into this area

First, may I call your attention to the suggested guidelines for using the comment feature posted here:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/feedback/using-comments-feature-24951.html

Since I didn't specify who would be checking such a listing, your negative comment was not applicable.

I don't know about your area, but I live in one of the most populous areas in the world (NYC). I don't recall the last time I heard about girls repeatedly crying wolf. I have to think this is not as big a problem as you are painting it out to be. In a smaller area, police are more likely to remember repeat offenders before they pursue a complaint. In a larger area, police are more likely to check a complainant's record.

I definitely do not think that publicly posting such information is reasonable or practical. Its hard enough to get women to report rapes in the first place. If they know they will have their names publicized if they do, it will only discourage them further. And if you use the argument that you would only list repeat offenders, then you hava a Catch 22. If they are repeat offenders they could be prosecuted so you have the solution there.

I have the feeling you have been burned in such a case and are exaggerating the problem because of that.

I know one female in particular who cries wolf. She then suddenly becomes pregnant then miscarries at the beginning of her monthly cycle...yeah. It won't do any good to 'black list' these people, so if you want to help make a change? Start campaigning for the true victims.

What is a true victim? A crime is a crime, even lying to the court system. What these girls do hurts real victims of crime, but we as the public seem to support it some how.

Would you go to jail for a crime, you didn't do? Now think about someone lying to put you in there, umm

Umm. Umm what. You fail to see that when I mentioned 'true' victim, it was specifying ACTUAL victims of rape. You know, the women that get turned away, questioned and dragged through a long process of investigation because OF people like those women you are mentioning. You want to help someone, help them, help the legit.

The women YOU are talking about are pathetic and just want attention. If something is truly being done to them in a way that would be perceived as a CRIME, then they have no choice to take it upon themselves for things to change, to change their environment, to leave where they are at to take PREVENTIVE measures (if it is as bad as they say it is).

If it isn't true and these women are a couple of frauds, then don't waste time on them. Keep your distance from them and advise people you know by word of mouth to do the same, if it concerns you that much.

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jackross (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/jackross.html) disagrees: the law go's case by case only, only the person lawyer will look into this area

First, may I call your attention to the suggested guidelines for using the comment feature posted here:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/feedback/using-comments-feature-24951.html

Since I didn't specify who would be checking such a listing, your negative comment was not applicable.

I don't know about your area, but I live in one of the most populous areas in the world (NYC). I don't recall the last time I heard about girls repeatedly crying wolf. I have to think this is not as big a problem as you are painting it out to be. In a smaller area, police are more likely to remember repeat offenders before they pursue a complaint. In a larger area, police are more likely to check a complainant's record.


Ok I'm speaking about Canada, and what I see at work all day in the system.
When these matter come up they are dropped with little or no fan fair as to how they got before the court in the first place. Good background and history checking is done by the guys lawyer $$

Ok, so they are dropped with "little or no fanfare". So what's the problem?

[QUOTE=Sentra]Umm. Umm what. You fail to see that when I mentioned 'true' victim, it was specifying ACTUAL victims of rape. You know, the women that get turned away, questioned and dragged through a long process of investigation because OF people like those women you are mentioning. You want to help someone, help them, help the legit.

The women YOU are talking about are pathetic and just want attention. If something is truly being done to them in a way that would be perceived as a CRIME, then they have no choice to take it upon themselves for things to change, to change their environment, to leave where they are at to take PREVENTIVE measures (if it is as bad as they say it is).


First off, I feel that the men I speak of are legit, and go through a long process of being investigated and put to shame in front of their families and communities (They should also have a voice as victims & not be brushed off.)

I truly feel sorry for actual victims of Sexual Abuse, but they are not the focus, of the black List. Proven repeat offenders who need mental help are, so what the problem with that.

You say "Preventive measures on their part to change their environment", I think that is crazy. They are in the real world with other people that are affected by their actions and have the right to the same safe streets too.

Theses girls are not going to pack up and stop what their doing by word of mouth, this thing is grow.


Please don't take me the wrong way, I am grateful for all your feedback. It helps me to understand all the views out there for a subject of this type.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see this as a major problem. I just can't believe there are girls who get away with this time after time. Maybe once, possibly twice, but at that point the police get wise. The only way this things works is if you report it to the police. How many girls are going to risk the police catching on to them?

There is another point here. You have a concern for the men involved. But if the women is a prostitute or underage, are such men really deserving of consideration for attempting sex with such females?

Ok, so they are dropped with "little or no fanfare". So what's the problem?



The Cost, The families, The Job lost, The Police record for a sex crime, price less

They have to pick up in shame and start life over, umm

If there lawyer is not too good then they go to jail. $$$$

I hope you or anyone you know, don't have to go through this.(Your name in the Local Newspapers, or hell TV news)


I'm sorry, but I just don't see this as a major problem. I just can't believe there are girls who get away with this time after time. Maybe once, possibly twice, but at that point the police get wise. The only way this things works is if you report it to the police. How many girls are going to risk the police catching on to them?

There is another point here. You have a concern for the men involved. But if the women is a prostitute or underage, are such men really deserving of consideration for attempting sex with such females?

I understand your thinking, but your wrong. I was just like you in my own thinking, till I saw proof daily, shocking proof. Then later on, it happened to a good pal of mine, his life is over. The girl confessed to lying and the case was dropped, but he was mistreated in jail, and later died. This girl had done this 4 times and told others openly, someone told me she is back dating innocenlty, like it never happened. Oh and no is she's not a hooker, just crazy.

If this happened to you would you deserve any consideration? You are a hard worker and don't mess prostitutes. Right, I'm talking about girls that lie, Not crazy hookers on the corner. How can you see this as a major problem? Do you know someone that has been charged, and is innocent? Do you know anyone that died? Do you sit in court rooms all day, and here both sides.

My concern is for men that get setup or lied on by, girls that need mental help and the system calls them victims. If they had the right information then the choice to stay is in there hands.

What are the requirements/limitations for polygraphs in your area? Maybe if they were allowed or used (not sure), it would help take care of these issues.

I still have strong doubts that this is as prevalent as you say. But lets say this girl has done this 4 times. That means there is a police record each time. Including a record of the confession. Why isn't your friend's family filing charges? Filing a false poilce report is a crime, they should be pressing those charges. Why didn't they file a civil suit against the girl? If they can relate the death directly to the false accusation they have a wrongful death cause of action.

I am sure there are instances of this happening. But I'm just as sure they are the exception. And that the vast majority of time the girl is the victim. Or, even when they aren't, I don't see this being repeated many times. As I just pointed out there are ways to ensure it doesn't happen more than twice.

What are the requirements/limitations for polygraphs in your area? Maybe if they were allowed or used (not sure), it would help take care of these issues.

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Hey, Good Idea, but they hate them here.

If it's against you then they want it, but if it clears you then it out, crazy uha

Which area of Canada do you live in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._v._B%C3%A9land


Just read up on why they are disliked. Pfft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph states :

In Canada, the use of a polygraph is sometimes employed in screening employees for government organizations. However, in the 1987 decision of R. v. Béland, the Supreme Court of Canada rejected the use of polygraph results as evidence in court.

I still have strong doubts that this is as prevalent as you say. But lets say this girl has done this 4 times. That means there is a police record each time. Including a record of the confession. Why isn't your friend's family filing charges? Filing a false poilce report is a crime, they should be pressing those charges. Why didn't they file a civil suit against the girl? If they can relate the death directly to the false accusation they have a wrongful death cause of action.

I am sure there are instances of this happening. But I'm just as sure they are the exception. And that the vast majority of time the girl is the victim. Or, even when they aren't, I don't see this being repeated many times. As I just pointed out there are ways to ensure it doesn't happen more than twice.


The police records are one way, to aid in a conviction. That's it.

When you check the victims name on the police computer system, her history won't show up unless they ask her for times and dates(Hey they Don't ask, get it. They would have to go deep in to checking court records.(Now if she did a crime that is different, that history is there, if she was charged with lying)

The confession is watered down is court bulls**t records

And not called a confession but some other legal term like "Discrpacess" so she won't be charged with lying.

Wrong full death law case cost $$$ It's not same in Canada as US law. Lawyers don't touch it no $$ in it here

I heard a story from a couple in Indiana that went to Atlanta Georgia to see their son... he was getting a divorce from the mother of his son... and was feeling depressed about the situation... they found out that he met a girl on a rebound and like this girl so much that he allowed her to move in and he sister and boyfriend to move in... the parents felt uncomfortable about staying the night... they did and later they got an hotel room for a few days... while there... the parents from Indiana asked the girl out to breakfast while the son worked and they discussed her future and what she wanted with life... the girl in the conversation stated that she met their son when she was 14 years old... and she never stated how old she was... the mother was so mad that she started a riot in the waffle house in Atlanta... after talking to son... it made no sense to them for when this girl was 14 years old and she grow up in Atlanta all her life and never traveled outside the state... made a mistake... the son was in South Carolina and married his wife in Atlanta during this period and was there for the birth of his son... and the couple moved to Maryland... he entered another state later for his wife wanted to complete her last year in college... so this girl lied and started a riot... the only person kicking this girls was the mother and the father was standing along the side telling his wife where to hit her next... drama in the suburbs... ghetto comes in some many colors... I would say... this young girl wanted to irate the mother... until this day... the story was told by those that were there... at no time... did anyone mention that the mother was not disrespecting this woman... OH the battle started because the girl was afraid that the mother and father did not like her and would discourage their son from any further contact with her... so she decided to put some mess in the game... by making a statement... “If... your son leave me... then I will go to the authorities and tell them he had sex with me at fourteen... ” how stressful... there are too many girls out there that would take average of the laws of the land... and make it difficult for legitimate arguments or complaints... so to shame only the women that have been found guilty of this trade is necessary for the safety of the community only... but if these girls are child pros... they are in the streets because of some other factor and deserves our protection... so no their picture should never be posted...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._v._B%C3%A9land


Just read up on why they are disliked. Pfft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph states :

In Canada, the use of a polygraph is sometimes employed in screening employees for government organizations. However, in the 1987 decision of R. v. Béland, the Supreme Court of Canada rejected the use of polygraph results as evidence in court.


aah See I told you, I have done my home work too. (looking for a better way)

I am thinking of investing in an off-shore server soon!


I heard a story from a couple in Indiana that went to Atlanta Georgia to see their son...he was getting a divorce from the mother of his son...and was feeling depressed about the situation...they found out that he met a girl on a rebound and like this girl so much that he allowed her to move in and he sister and boyfriend to move in...the parents felt uncomfortable about staying the night ...they did and later they got an hotel room for a few days...while there ...the parents from Indiana asked the girl out to breakfast while the son worked and they discussed her future and what she wanted with life...the girl in the conversation stated that she met their son when she was 14 years old...and she never stated how old she was...the mother was so mad that she started a riot in the waffle house in Atlanta...after talking to son...it made no sense to them for when this girl was 14 years old and she grow up in Atlanta all her life and never traveled outside the state...made a mistake...the son was in South Carolina and married his wife in Atlanta during this period and was there for the birth of his son...and the couple moved to Maryland ...he entered another state later for his wife wanted to complete her last year in college ...so this girl lied and started a riot ...the only person kicking this girls was the mother and the father was standing along the side telling his wife where to hit her next...drama in the suburbs...ghetto comes in some many colors...I would say...this young girl wanted to irate the mother...until this day...the story was told by those that were there...at no time...did anyone mention that the mother was not disrespecting this woman...OH the battle started because the girl was afraid that the mother and father did not like her and would discourage their son from any further contact with her...so she decided to put some mess in the game...by making a statement... “If... your son leave me... then I will go to the authorities and tell them he had sex with me at fourteen...” how stressful...there are too many girls out there that would take average of the laws of the land...and make it difficult for legitimate arguments or complaints...so to shame only the women that have been found guilty of this trade is necessary for the safety of the community only ...but if these girls are child pros...they are in the streets because of some other factor and deserves our protection...so no their picture should never be posted...

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This comes is near my point, if she lies 2 times then the police get into it, then jail.

Ok not bad, but in this case the guy did not go to jail.
But what if he did?

Here is a guy on trail

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/03/25/gillet_040325.html

If he is in jail... he needs to keep his lawyer busy... hire a investigator... search for other situations in the court with the name of this person... if innocent keep busy to get himself out of that situation...

Thank you for understanding, but Lawyers in Canada seem to be to busy to listen to there clients about guilt or innocents. They have their own automatic plans based on the fact they see coming out of the court information. To get a lawyer to use an investigator you have to have big $$$. This is not like Mattlock The TV Show. In real life there is over a year wait time for the case to start.
Most lawyers let their clients sit in jail and wait for news about the case before they jump on things, no lawyer takes any case personal. There is just to many case to keep them busy.

One thing for sure, if a man doesn't get in situations like that, and avoids the environments that these people frequent, he would not have to go through this nonsense. Hard to get caught up with crap if your at home with the wife. I remember an old saying "If you lie with dogs you will get fleas" Sorry its hard to be sympathetic when bad judgement leads to CONSEQUENCES.

Jackross,

WHERE in Canada are you? Quebec?

Not all lawyers let their clients sit in jail, so do not generalize.

Second, yes, some cry rape when they were not, and that is a shame.

As for this guy….if you are going to get yourself involved in paying prostitutes for sex, then you have to understand a higher degree of risk is associated with that.

Does that make it right? Not at all. But, who is to say that he is innocent? He might very well be guilty.

As for these girls you know, tell the cops.

Or, tell their victims and let their victims report them and/or sue them.

If the Cops and Court System cared about this gray area when it come the girls lying then this project would be dead.

Wow your right, not all lawyers, but give me the names of some good ones to post right here.

It's good to see that you understand that there are girls out there crying rape, and so much more. A crime, is a crime , but with this there is a gray area in the system.

As for most of these case's the girls are not prostitutes, but I understand your thinking.
Alot of the feed back here, show's me a onesided look at the matter, blame the guy for something.......... ummmm not thinking....

It's good to see that you understand that their are girls out there crying rape, and so much more. A crime, is a crime , but with this their is a gray area in the system.


I don't think anyone denies that this is happening. But I for one, just don't think it happens all that often. Nor do I think that there are multiple repeat offenders who aren't getting caught.

Jack- All due respect but you keep harping on the fact that these girls are so bad and they are, but why do you keep forgetting that if you didn't deal with them you couldn't get caught up in the bad things they do. As for lawyers, if you pay them they are good if they get you out of a mess. Who does anything for free?

One thing for sure, if a man doesn't get in situations like that, and avoids the environments that these people frequent, he would not have to go thru this nonsense. Hard to get caught up with crap if your at home with the wife. I remember an old saying "If you lie with dogs you will get fleas" Sorry its hard to be sympathetic when bad judgement leads to CONSEQUENCES.




YES, this is what the project is about, keeping men out of these situations. Not all men have a wife at home, lucky you for great judgement. You won the Lotto, if not you would be out meeting girls. These girls are not all in bad environments they could be the girl next do

This all go's back to having the right information to make the right choices in life.

Gee, We want to keep young kids safe right?, but when someone gets charged for Rape. They had bad judgement or, in the wrong environment playing with fleas.

Jack- All due respect but you keep harping on the fact that these girls are so bad and they are, but why do you keep forgetting that if you didn't deal with them you couldn't get caught up in the bad things they do. As for lawyers, if you pay them they are good if they get you out of a mess. Who does anything for free?

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Thank you for the Respect, but please don't feel that I'm harping, but only showing a point of view on a new project that will be affecting the gray area of the system we all trust.

I here your point on the lawyers, and it's a good one $$. (I just wish I had a good list of them who fight hard.)

This Information Database Project may change things or hurt things, so I want to here all the voices out there on this subject. Positive or Negitive

Hello jack:

Have you ever considered that if you make a mistake about publishing the name of one of these bad girls, she can sue you, and take your house away?

Nahhh, you haven't.

excon

The gray area has rights, hopefully this will be the loop hole to that.

Yes, but if the database is setup right it will be public, off-shore, world wide and have safe guards on some cases.

I won't own it, hell even use it, just glad to know it's out there working as an information tool.


I found a group that would love to work on this project.

Hello again, jack:

So, you're going to pay for and set this thing in motion - off shore servers and stuff, and you're not going to own it, or work it. And, it's just going to continue doing the worlds good works, kind of all by itself, for all the guys who have been falsly accused of something.

Have I got it right?? Dude, have you been smoking crack?

excon

Hello again, jack:

So, you're gonna pay for and set this thing in motion - off shore servers and stuff, and you're not going to own it, or work it. And, it's just going to continue doing the worlds good works, kinda all by itself for all the guys who have been falsly accused of something.

Have I got it right??? Dude, have you been smoking crack?

excon

excon umm Crack :rolleyes:



No, I found a group that would love to work on this project.

Jackross]YES, this is what the project is about, keeping men out of these situations. Not all men have a wife at home, lucky you for great judgement. You won the Lotto, if not you would be out meeting girls. These girls are not all in bad environments they could be the girl next do

If men would take better care of who they were trolling for and not just be animals in heat and take better care who they partner with they don't fall prey to these predators. Your inference that the men you speak of who do get with these predators get what they ask for, TROUBLE. And when I meet girls, I take better care, with an eye toward quality and don't go to bars to get girls, not even before I was married, Don't insult me by putting me the animals you represent.



This all go's back to having the right information to make the right choices in life.

This I will agree with.

Gee, We want to keep young kids safe right?, but when someone gets charged for Rape. They had bad judgement or, in the wrong environment playing with fleas.[/
Now your catching on. I don't doubt good people get caught up in bad things but generally this is not a case of the wrong place at the wrong time, these men you speak of I suspect were looking to get there rocks off and ran into more than they bargained for. Sorry I have more sympathy for those that get caught up thru no fault of there own, like real rape victims than men looking for nooky.

Ok, I missed something here. I thought this will all theoretical. So you are really talking about setting up a database that claims to list females who falsely accuse men of rape.

You are so confident about this that you plan on trying to protect yourself by using off shore servers and maintainiung some degree of separation from this "project".

I think I agree with excon, man, you are out of control. You are talking about risking the reputation of a woman who may already have been violated because of what is a minor problem at best. I hope you get sued for all you are worth.

Ok, First off do not take this subject as an Insult, if it's too late then I'm sorry.

Wow, I see that your still hung up on proving, that the men made a bad choice in picking a partner, as you make it sound like Low Quality girls hang out at bars, and are known predators. What about the girl Next Door, Do you know her History?

If this was a Rape Victim would you call them Low Quality, and Stupid too, for falling victim to a predator with a Nice Face and a Good Environment, would you ask them if they just wanted to get laid or something... like their rocks off...

You made your point about sympathy, you seem to find blame in many parts of this subject , but that's fair. I wish I could see it your way , but I don't.

Ok, I missed something here. I thought this will all theoretical. So you are really talking about setting up a database that claims to list females who falsely accuse men of rape.

You are so confident about this that you plan on trying to protect yourself by using off shore servers and maintainiung some degree of separation from this "project".

I think I agree with excon, man, you are out of control. You are talking about risking the reputation of a woman who may already have been violated because of what is a minor problem at best. I hope you get sued for all you are worth.


I am not interested in Risking or Hurting the reputation of Violated Woman, to me that would be a crime. The Focus is on Proven cases only, I think that the facts will speak for themself, when the time comes.

I am not interested in Risking or Hurting the reputation of Violated Woman, to me that would be a crime. The Focus is on Proven cases only, I think that the facts will speak for themself, when the time comes.

Proven by whom? If they are proven then why aren't they prosecuted?

You are on a slippery slope here, my friend. Do you understand what vigilantism is? That's what you are talking about.

If they would be prosecuted, then why the hell would I waste my time on this project & subject. As I pointed out this is a gray area no one wants to touch, can you tell.


Yes I understand the slippery slope of vigilantism, I could lose big, very big if I'm wrong, but if I'm right, Then what? Something many change.

I Don't want a victim to become another victim, please understand.

When Good people Do nothing, then Bad people win.

I'm not saying to do nothing. But I think you are way exaggerating the problem and overreacting with a solution.

Did it ever occur to you that if they aren't being prosecuted it could be because they aren't committing a crime. Or because their victims don't want the publicity of prosecuting.

Your right, What guy wants his face on the news for prosecuting a girl that lied about him in a sex case... ummmmm

How can you say I'm exaggerating the problem, if you can't see what I see all day.

If it wasn't a crime, I would not be talking about it.

Hell, Do you know what my job is? You will never guess.

A lawyer

Not bad, but No
(more inside than that)

I agree and disagree with this post.
I agree that men are fooled into sex with underage girls quite a bit. I have heard many stories of an innocent guy at a bar that starts flirting with a girl. The girl is only about 15 or 16 but she got a fake ID to get in. So they hook up and have a one night stand. Then the girls parents find out... RAPE! The girl goes along to not get herself in trouble. I guess guys, it will have to come to checking two forms of ID before jumping in the sack with someone.
Teenage girls today don't even look their age. Just jump on myspace for a few moments and you can find hundreds of 14 year old girls that look 23. So I have to say, unless the guy was picking up girls at the local middle school, he might not have known.
I don't know if anyone caught the episode of 20/20 that was on a few weeks ago, but it was about catching online sex predators. I completely agree that these men were in the wrong with agreeing to meet up with a teenage girl, while her parents were out, but am I the only one who thinks its partially the girls fault? She was telling strange men that she was home alone, and that she wanted to have sex, and to bring condoms. Should young girls just be able to get away with this, and become the victim in this situation?
I just feel that some, not all, cases of statutory rape can be prevented. When these young girls are wearing buckets full of make-up and skimpy clothes with their breasts falling out, who is buying it for them? Who's not keeping tabs on them when they are at "a sleep over" with their friends, when they are truly at the local frat house? Who is not there when they are chatting on the internet or posting pictures online that are straight down the front of their shirts? I think parents sometimes need to realize that their daughters are not always perfect angels, and teach them they need to act their age.
Don't get me wrong, I know there are perverts out there who intentionally prey on young girls.
I disagree with putting up a website with these girls' names. If you can do that, then why don't all the women who have ever been cheated on just compile a whole list of men who treated them wrong? I think just a little "through the grapevine" will give them all the humilation they need.

Thank you for taking the time to explain your answer, your words are not lost on me.


The guys on the show 20/20 or DatelineNBC are perverts praying on girls, that's not the men I'm talking about, trust me. I wouldn't even begin to defend them in anyway.

I support your point on girls acting their age and parents realizing that their daughters are not all perfect angels. I told a mother about the actions of her Daughter and was blasted for sticking my nose in her life. Now the Daughter is set to go to court in 2 case's with mom on her arm, knowing full well the truth, and praying her daughter won't be charged.

Hey there is a TV show out called Cheaters, and some girls have made a web site to point out cheating boyfriends. (Hell, if you look youll see stuff on my space.)

I don't want these girls Humiliated by the net. If a girl lies in court 2 times then I feel this step should be in affect. A life is a life, A crime is a crime. Someone may end up doing time. Why be soft on crime. Will crime be soft on you.

Are you saying it should be your place to dictate what is considered the truth or a false accusation, so that you may go on with your plans of making a database dedicated to the exposure of people who 'cry wolf'?

Just trying to get it straight.

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Just to add, if these men are found to be active in some other kind of illegal activity (as you mentioned in your original post) that is their own fault, and should take responsibility for the risk of being around the wrong people. Don't defend their actions and decisions; 'guilty by association'. And by the way, parents have a right to deal with their kids any way that they legally can and know how, and even though we may not agree with what they do it wasn't your place to 'expose' the daughter to her mother, UNLESS you knew the family and have been involved with them already. I am not soft on crime. What is the sentencing for a rape conviction in your area? Is the penalty strong or long enough to require your way of prevention? Do they get off with community service and 3 months in jail, possibly less? Elaborate on that.

Your right, What guy wants his face on the news for prosecuting a girl that lied about him in a sex case... ummmmm

How can you say I'm exaggerating the problem, if you can't see what I see all day.

If it wasn't a crime, I would not be talking about it.

Hell, Do you know what my job is? You will never guess.

Filing a false police report is a crime. Making false accusations of rape could be considered libel. If it's a crime then work towards PROSECUTING it. Don't resort to vigilantism.

As to why I think you are exaggerating, in NYC for 2005 there were approx 3600 rapes reporting for over 19.25 million people. That works out to less than 1 rape for every 5000 people. Now lets apply that same rate to your area. Brampton, is a city of about 325,000. Even if you include the whole greater Toronto area, you still have less than 2 million people. That works out to 400 rapes or a little more than 1 per day (only 65 for Brampton itself).

In an earlier note you stated: "Sorry this kind of thing is happening repeatedly in a court room daily". Based on my analysis that would mean that just about every rape reported (in the Greater Toronto area) falls into this category and that clearly cannot be true. Even more, Brampton itself, wouldn't have a rape case every day. So you have to be exaggerating the problem. If, as you state it happens repeatedly every day, then Brampton would have at least 1 rape for every 900 people. That would make it one of the most unsafe cities for women in the world. Is it any wonder I think you are exaggerating?

So what is your job?

Are you saying it should be your place to dictate what is considered the truth or a false accusation, so that you may go on with your plans of making a database dedicated to the exposure of people who 'cry wolf'?

Just trying to get it straight.

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Just to add, if these men are found to be active in some other kind of illegal activity (as you mentioned in your original post) that is their own fault, and should take responsibility for the risk of being around the wrong people. Don't defend their actions and decisions; 'guilty by association'. And by the way, parents have a right to deal with their kids any way that they legally can and know how, and even though we may not agree with what they do it wasn't your place to 'expose' the daughter to her mother, UNLESS you knew the family and have been involved with them already. I am not soft on crime. What is the sentencing for a rape conviction in your area? Is the penalty strong or long enough to require your way of prevention? Do they get off with community service and 3 months in jail, possibly less? Elaborate on that.

Nope, just false accusations only, based on what is in a public record.

I am not defending guilt by association, and men around the wrong people.

You say it was not my place to expose the daughter to the mother, wow I don't see your point. If the daughter was going to kill her self would you tell the mother? Now if she is going to break the law, would tell her? At what point should she get help. My focus was on prevention.


Rape sentencing is a big deal here, no man should take it lightly, if not guilty.
The penalty for Rape is is about 5 years for underage, and up. Your name goes on a public database. You have to report to police for life. You cannot go near schools or speak to anyone under 18. (In jail you suffer beatings at the hands of staff and other inmates. Who deal out there brand of justice.)

4 case's is too much, a life is a life
Not every case but some due, I see it at work.

Do you think I'm a bad person for what I'm trying to do?

I feel that knowone care about what I see at work. This would force the system to take basic steps to put safe guard in place.


So you are now stating this has happened 4 times (not repeatedly every day). So you WERE exaggerating.

Out of how many reported rapes? Over what period?

No I don't think you are a bad person, just misguided. You perceive a problem and want to do something about it. Its just that your solution is also a problem.

Instead of trying to force people to put safe guards in place but a questionable solution, work towards getting the safeguards in place.

Hello again, jack:

Yeah, please keep us in the loop. It's kind of like hiding the last episode of your favorite soap.

"At work", huh? You're a jail guard.

And, this does have the ring of a soap. Because, in the real world, this is all academic, isn't it? You found "this group" who wants to work on it... Right. Where are they from, Nigeria? Did they send you a check they want you to cash??

If, indeed, you ARE on the inside and you see some ugly stuff, how come you don't stand up for all the non-violent marijuana smokers who come your way, because you are soooo inside? If you want to help a BIG, HUGE, LARGE group of people deserving of your help - help them!

There is no web site. There's never going to be. That resides in your fantasies. There's only an angry person, who has an idea, like every tom, fred and harry, without a clue how to bring it to fruition.

More than likely, you're soooo inside, because you had some chick lie on you, and you're a CONVICT!

excon

Hi, Excon

Umm Jail Guard, dam you good.


Sorry I'm not a convict, but thanks for the crazy offer. I have a wife who agree with some of the post's (AshelySB) out here on the subject, and feels that I maybe going to far out to prove something too.

Excon, your right, I am angry, but I'm also doing something about it.

Thank you for understanding that I do see some ugly stuff,
In canada you get a fine for smoking marijuana in public, no jail time. They have changed the law on it. (You cannot ship it, Grow it, or Sell it.)

Well I guess posting a link here when it's done would, smack you in the face about fantasies and soap stories.

First, I do not carry on help or discussions in PMs. PMs should be reserved for correspondence of a personal nature. I had hoped you would get that message when I answered your previous PM in the public forum.

I'm not going to reproduce your latest PM in its entirety for my own reasons. But you did not answer my questions. You say there are 4 cases currently in the court. Are these 4 cases dealing with repeat complaints or are they 4 rape cases? If they are 4 repeat complaints, then out of how many rape cases over what period? Even if its just 4 rape cases again the question is over what period?

Either way, it still indicates an exaggeration from your original statement about it happening repeatedly every day.

Right now in front of me. The answer is 4 & all have a history of fasle complaints.

The time frame is about 2 years a part. You want the case file#

There are more going on in other court rooms I'm sure, but I'm not working in them right now. So I can only tell you what I see currently. Sorry if you feel I'm over stating this.

In canada we do not have this law here

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=108_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ079.108

So, over a space of 2 years you have 4 cases involving false complaints. You can't tell us if there are others, because you haven't checked. You can't tell us out of how many rape cases, because you haven't checked. Yet you are willing to call this a major problem.

Now you say these 4 cases involve false complaints. How do you know this? Are the complainants being prosecuted for making false complaints are are the defendants claiming the complaints were false?

If the complainants are being prosecuted, then what's the issue, they are getting what they deserved. If the defendants are claiming this, then what proof exists?

What I think is you just happened to get hit with these 4 cases all coming through the system at the same time. You were struck by the similarity and how the men were allegedly being victimized. This got your dander up.

But I think this is just an anomaly and you are way overstating the problem and going off half-cocked.

No sorry you mis-understand, 4 cases with about 2 years between the same girls coming back in front of the court, with different, victims claiming Rape. 3 Other case's last week, but different return dates between them.

You still haven't answered my questions. You still haven't told us over what period the 4 cases cover. You also haven't told us how many rape cases were reported during that time. And you still haven't dealt with whether the girls are being prosecuted or how it came out they there are repeat complainants.

Have the MEN taken time to file charges against them for false accusations?

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jackross (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/jackross.html) agrees: I Support this fully, but time and funds are not on their side. Their just happy to get their life back. :)

As for funds, there should be no funds involved. Filing a false police report is a criminal offense. They only need press charges through the prosecutor's office.

Did it ever occur to you that they would not want the publicity? Any database would have to include a record of the people they accused.

The prosecutor is not interested in going after false statements.

Your right about the publicity, I just spoke to some of the men involed and they express to me their concerns about this project. This is hard to balance out.

The prosecutor is not interested in going after false statements.

your right about the publicity, I just spoke to some of the men involed and they express to me their concerns about this project. This is hard to balance out.

And what reason does the prosecutor give? I don't know how it works in Canada, but in the US, we have ELECTED District Attorneys who decide what is prosecuted and what isn't. This would become a campaign issue.

But maybe the reason is that the prosecutor doesn't think this is a major problem (as I do) so its not worth his office's time.

Hello again, jack:

You keep talking about this "project", as though it's something more than your imagination. I agree with you, bad people should be exposed. But, I'm not going to start a website to do it.

Neither are you. Who are you trying to kid? You aren't going to own it, work it or fund it. Some "group" is. Right... Dude, you've been associating with the convicts too long. Get a life.

This forum is where we deal with REAL problems that affect REAL people, who are actually going to DO something about it. All you're doing is running your mouth.

excon

Hello again, jack:

You keep talking about this "project", as though it's something more than your imagination. I agree with you, bad people should be exposed. But, I'm not gonna start a website to do it.

Neither are you. Who are you trying to kid? You aren't going to own it, work it or fund it. Some "group" is. Right..... Dude, you've been associating with the convicts too long. Get a life.

This forum is where we deal with REAL problems that affect REAL people, who are actually going to DO something about it. All you're doing is running your mouth.

excon


Thank you, I have a life, and your mouth is full of negative answers to a real matter here.

No, think of it more as an honest and blunt view on what you have been saying here.

Ok

Excerpts from Court Reporters

These are from a book called Disorder in the American Courts, and are things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and now published by court reporters that had the torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually taking place.
Q: Are you sexually active?
A: No, I just lie there.
_______________________________
Q: What is your date of birth?
A: July 15.
Q: What year?
A: Every year.
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Q: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?
A: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.
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Q: This condition you have... does it affect your memory at all?
A: Yes.
Q: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
A: I forget.
Q: You forget? Can you give us an example of something that you've forgotten?
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Q: How old is your son, the one living with you?
A: Thirty-eight or thirty-five, I can't remember which.
Q: How long has he lived with you?
A: Forty-five years.
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Q: What was the first thing your husband said to you when he woke up that morning?
A: He said, "Where am I, Cathy?"
Q: And why did that upset you?
A: My name is Susan.
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Q: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo or the occult?
A: We both do.
Q: Voodoo?
A: We do.
Q: You do?
A: Yes, voodoo.
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Q: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he doesn't know about it until the next morning?
A: Did you actually pass the bar exam?
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Q: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he?
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Q: Were you present when your picture was taken?
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Q: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
A: Yes.
Q: And what were you doing at that time?
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Q: She had three children, right?
A: Yes.
Q: How many were boys?
A: None.
Q: Were there any girls?
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Q: How was your first marriage terminated?
A:! By death.
Q: And by whose death was it terminated?
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Q: Can you describe the individual?
A: He was about medium height and had a beard.
Q: Was this a male, or a female?
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Q: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
A: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.
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Q: Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people?
A: All my autopsies are performed on dead people.
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Q: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?
A: Oral.
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Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
A: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.
Q: And Mr. Dennington was dead at the time?
A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing an autopsy.
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Q: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
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Q: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?
A: No.
Q: Did you check for blood pressure?
A: No.
Q: Did you check for breathing?
A: No.
Q: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?
A: No.
Q: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
A: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
Q: But could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
A: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law somewhere.

... is this a joke?

Yes, this whole thread is a joke.

Whew! :) I am off to drink my pot of coffee then